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And"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1899.81,"endTime":1902.42,"body":"I think there's something"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1902.42,"endTime":1905.06,"body":"special about that, really, when"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1902.42,"endTime":1905.06,"body":"you're trying to do the work,"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1905.06,"endTime":1907.67,"body":"like put your best foot forward,"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1905.06,"endTime":1907.67,"body":"work as hard as you can. That's"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1907.67,"endTime":1910.88,"body":"all that matters. But now that"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1907.67,"endTime":1910.88,"body":"I'm kind of on the other side of"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1910.88,"endTime":1915.29,"body":"it, I really want people to know"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1910.88,"endTime":1915.29,"body":"that I cared. I care a whole"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1915.29,"endTime":1918.56,"body":"lot. And I'm super passionate"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1915.29,"endTime":1918.56,"body":"about seeing other people step"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1918.56,"endTime":1921.95,"body":"into everything that they've"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1918.56,"endTime":1921.95,"body":"been designed and created for."},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1922.1,"endTime":1924.98,"body":"But I also want them to know"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1922.1,"endTime":1924.98,"body":"that I'm not afraid to give them"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1924.98,"endTime":1928.16,"body":"the hard truth that maybe other"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1924.98,"endTime":1928.16,"body":"people have been avoiding to"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1928.16,"endTime":1932.36,"body":"tell them. Because for me the"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1928.16,"endTime":1932.36,"body":"hard truths in my life, they"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1932.36,"endTime":1935.99,"body":"opened me up to the blind spots"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1932.36,"endTime":1935.99,"body":"in my life. And it's not until"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1935.99,"endTime":1939.56,"body":"we become sober enough to the"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1935.99,"endTime":1939.56,"body":"truth and the reality of our"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1939.56,"endTime":1943.58,"body":"life, that we can actually start"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1939.56,"endTime":1943.58,"body":"to change it. So for me it would"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1943.58,"endTime":1948.05,"body":"be, He's passionate and he cares"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1943.58,"endTime":1948.05,"body":"so much about seeing other"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1948.05,"endTime":1951.14,"body":"people step into everything that"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1948.05,"endTime":1951.14,"body":"they have, but not because it's"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1951.14,"endTime":1954.68,"body":"out of some fake encouragement,"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1951.14,"endTime":1954.68,"body":"but because it's based in truth,"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1954.86,"endTime":1957.98,"body":"and it's the work and it's the"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1954.86,"endTime":1957.98,"body":"hard truth that we all need to"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1957.98,"endTime":1958.4,"body":"hear."},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1958.82,"endTime":1961.58,"body":"So good. Nate"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1958.82,"endTime":1961.58,"body":"Dukes! Thank you for being here"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1961.58,"endTime":1963.98,"body":"on The MindShift Podcast."},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1961.58,"endTime":1963.98,"body":"Listen, folks, if you've been"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1963.98,"endTime":1967.13,"body":"listening to this show, today,"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1963.98,"endTime":1967.13,"body":"you can't help but be inspired"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1967.13,"endTime":1969.47,"body":"by Nate's work. Listen, whatever"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1967.13,"endTime":1969.47,"body":"you've got going on in your"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1969.47,"endTime":1972.65,"body":"life, this isn't about"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1969.47,"endTime":1972.65,"body":"comparing. It's literally about"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1972.65,"endTime":1977.75,"body":"taking his message of, you can"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1972.65,"endTime":1977.75,"body":"change your story, you can come"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1977.75,"endTime":1980.48,"body":"back, you can make new"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1977.75,"endTime":1980.48,"body":"decisions, you can in fact,"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1980.84,"endTime":1985.19,"body":"prove them wrong by taking your"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1980.84,"endTime":1985.19,"body":"hopelessness to hopefullness."},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1985.49,"endTime":1989.15,"body":"And Nate is an amazing author"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1985.49,"endTime":1989.15,"body":"and speaker. I hope you'll reach"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1989.15,"endTime":1991.97,"body":"out and connect with him. We'll"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1989.15,"endTime":1991.97,"body":"link up all of his resources in"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1991.97,"endTime":1994.37,"body":"the show notes. And again, Nate,"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1991.97,"endTime":1994.37,"body":"thank you for being here on The"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1994.37,"endTime":1997.07,"body":"MindShift Podcast and hopefully"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1994.37,"endTime":1997.07,"body":"we'll stay in touch in the"},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":1997.07,"endTime":1997.49,"body":"future."},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1997.63,"endTime":1999.97,"body":"I'd love that man."},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1997.63,"endTime":1999.97,"body":"This is a great show. Keep up"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1999.97,"endTime":2002.28,"body":"the amazing work. I'm a, I'm a"},{"speaker":"Nate Dukes","startTime":1999.97,"endTime":2002.28,"body":"super fan now."},{"speaker":"Darrell Evans","startTime":2002.34,"endTime":2002.94,"body":"Appreciate you."},{"speaker":"The MindShift Podcast","startTime":2004.89,"endTime":2006.03,"body":"Hey my"},{"speaker":"The MindShift Podcast","startTime":2004.89,"endTime":2006.03,"body":"friend, thanks again for"},{"speaker":"The MindShift Podcast","startTime":2006.03,"endTime":2008.7,"body":"listening to today's episode of"},{"speaker":"The MindShift Podcast","startTime":2006.03,"endTime":2008.7,"body":"The MindShift Podcast. Listen,"},{"speaker":"The MindShift Podcast","startTime":2008.7,"endTime":2011.94,"body":"let's not have the conversation"},{"speaker":"The MindShift Podcast","startTime":2008.7,"endTime":2011.94,"body":"in here. 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