This week we totally talk about Hearthstone and not fake internet doctors or tabletop roleplaying games. We promise.
This week we totally talk about Hearthstone and not fake internet doctors or tabletop roleplaying games. We promise.
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all right. The first thing I mean, since man, one of the best hearthstone park house I've ever listened to was the bloody face interview on Queen concede this week. It just went on forever, and I didn't want it to stop. I mean, hearing him talk about everything from how he thinks about the game and what metas he enjoys to how he prepares. And, um, like there's there's nothing I love more than, like, feeling like I have a pretty good grasp on understanding something, and then listening to someone who knows way more about it than me talk and understand how little line. Oh, uh, and that was That was fun. So, um yeah, so But in general, I played less Are stone. I did more work. Um and Ah, yeah, when I was playing that I was playing more priest, and that was really fun. And stream twice. I said I would stream once I stream twice 200% value. I know, right? So if I'm up late playing, I want to scream, or so I like. I feel like if I'm comfortable with, like, being on there anyway, I'm just gonna do it. So yeah, yeah, just hanging out and playing the streams I like, So I'm gonna do it. So I'm on twitch TV that's dot switched on TV slash and thrown on if you want to. Just, like, maybe come hang out once in a while, feel free. Otherwise, don't worry about it. Um, I've been hanging out with twitch bots, and it's been pretty, pretty cool.
And if you if you miss that, I don't think they actually twitch box by the because I don't get twitch spots in my stream. So, um, I think that probably people hanging out watching
Well, they're in every stream. I go in ever and they have, like, hundreds of thousands of years. So I think I think maybe, yeah, but people Oh, there's lab. There's like they have got, like, names and they're like Commander route. And there they just they're just in a whole bunch of streams all at once. Like we're like that. You probably able to monetize that somehow. I don't understand how they do understand why there, but it's cool. Stone
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band of their message? Bandit e have God Magoo. I
haven't been on twitching long enough that the controls don't look the same as they did years ago when I was doing it weekly. And I'm like, How do I delete it? Where to go? Why is it not just showing? There used to be the thing right next to it? Where is it? And I think I also like cleared, cleared my cookies in the browser and it didn't have my Bt TV settings applied and everything, so it took me a while to get back toe having everything set up the right way. Wow. Heavy. It's ah, It's a chrome plug in that like ads, emote menus. It shows deleted messages. It puts the model controls is like icons in front of the user name. So you can just delete things like right from the chat stream.
Whoa! That's how big of a deal Enthronement is, by the way. He has something like that. Modern, his channel.
All right. Donna, would you get up to this week?
Um, eso uh, next week in Hearthstone. I am playing eso this week. I am actually playing in THL. I'm playing Ox and Lemon. So last season Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah does not an awesome band. Lemon swept me and that was that was sad. Um, but this time I might not get swept again. I'd be pretty cool and ah, liquid ox. Eso you. He's a super duper hearthstone player. Like so this month he was the fourth person on n A to hit legend. Um, and last month's he took He took a literal brand new account and in four days hit legend with it and was stopped 300 so. And he ran Boulder Fist ogre in every deck night. So I think I have all the chances, all the chances things are gonna go great this week. I think I am going to just who needs it's gonna be six damage, just Klebold or festival you real good record. Danno versus Goliath. Ah, like I don't feel like I'm playing hearthstone worse, but I know I am. I'm losing more and it's because I don't play enough that I don't realize I'm playing poorly. It's really a vicious cycle. Um, so it's all about us playing more. Some other try and play more because I want to play more. Don't hate the game. It's just like I find myself doing other things instead of playing Hearthstone.
But that's fine. If that's what you're doing for a bit, that's totally fine. We all have had times playing where we've burnt out man like, and that doesn't mean you're like kating the game or not. But like we've bought if, like it's OK if we're going in the evening. You're not like who? Time to play our stone every you know, like
yeah, yeah, glad.
It's amazing that I have like an hour and 1/2 less of a commute every day. And I still don't have time to do anything
like way I'm going. It's going on this global your modern a pretty big deal stream. So I don't have the least
notes before I before I walk in
Like I don't understand how twist It's me a discord like hat Joyner discord Server causes are two seed in ah, hero in thl And he was like, Hey, so I can see this this and this and this So I think we need to do Is this this this this I was like, Dude, I don't know anything of what you just said. Matches gave me the like discord channel because he went to a different team and he couldn't be the same team. And just discord baffles and confuses me like I feel like an old man on discord like it. Oh, my gosh, Like just like I know how to work this, like, I know how to, like, make funny, um, oats and like that kind of stuff, but like setting it up so certain people can see certain things and not other things, and it just it just goes beyond me, so just very I know it's not complicated, but I think it very complicated. It
is nice to know the people who understand how to do this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that a channel on our disk? Wells Discord. E l I 40 Explain like I'm 40. Um
oh, I never understood because you need it explained 40 y.
Oh, I can legitimately say 20 years ago now and actually mean 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, we
were. We were playing D and D, one of the players because it's like a newer group. One of the players like Salo. You'll be played d d. Two years, three years. Really enjoying it? Yeah. Playing weekly two years, making my friend Nick and I have played since we were kids way, like looked at each other that he was, like, 26
e think I'm pushing 25 years of tabletop role playing games.
Oh, how is that?
Even longer than that? 26 years might be right. 25 years, 25 years. 24 11 12 12 or 13. Um, I started playing like, Yeah,
I have never sat down and played like a legit dnd
so much. Finally, I tried. I don't really enjoy dnd a lot, but, um, I enjoy other types of games. I find d and D that the rules get in the way. But, like, I haven't put the new varieties, I guess the new Dungeons and Dragons is pretty good. So I played it earlier.
I am hankering for something more complicated playing anyone.
Then you're gonna love the system or playing on Wednesday.
It doesn't matter to me. It's just because I'm used to something more complicated and I can handle it. You know what I mean? If it's something new, I've put different tabletops before. It'll be fine.
I'm excited. Yeah, yeah, I usually enjoy stuff that, like, have, like, specific, like D and D, just like Falls. And it's like the It's like the Band Aid of role playing games, right? Like it just it fits. It needs to be one size fits all everything, so it doesn't have the chance to, like, really, like, find a niche, necessarily, because it's like the big seller, right? So it kind of has to hit a wide, big a wide audience, but like, you know, it's like other there. So many fun games that really just drill down into specific settings or specific types of games are like heroic or Grady. Your and those kids are just so much fine.
We splayed dead lands in the nineties and that that you had it was like a wild West or World West game, and you used cards instead of dice. That was really fun. Yes, you'd use, like gas cards and stuff was sick.
I take a picture off my stack of dead lands books that are right next to me. Oh, yeah, I've played bullet up. I've played. I played both dead land and dead lands were loaded in the past, like 67 years. Put a lot. I read a dead lands were loaded campaign for, like, five years or so, maybe a bit longer. And I played in a dead lands campaigning and Ogi Dead lands campaign, um, for a year or so before the campaign. Yeah, they're still there. Then they're still awesome. So it's like they took the dead land slowly. The, um, the company of his pegging, remember? Right? They took the dead lands, and they kind of like revamped, and they turned into a generic system. Savage savage worlds, which is all like it's all about, like being the superhero, basically, right? Like you, the doctor. There's a reason that you're being told that you're telling the story because you're the ones who are awesome, right? So it's all about is exploding dye. And so the dye would explode after you hit like, so a d four if you'd afford explodes, gonna roll again. Saying was 68 10 12 Right, um, close before 12. And the cool thing is about a D four you can get just like crazy, Lucky with a d four and just like, have this amazing streaks were like, maybe you trying something like, um, you only have, like, a d four skeleton. You're under basically very lightly skilled in it. But you could explode, explode, explode, explode. And then all of a sudden, going four and 8 12 16 and all the second of this crazy check. Yeah, And then you get to describe this awesome scenario about how the you get to this amazing thing. It's just so much fun. Um, so you have, like, the all of the great moments were like these incredible. Like boss fights come just like it should be complaint. Crazy, out of hand. Get just like smoke. Enough nowhere or vice versa, right? We're like, somebody gets just, like, destroyed by the boss because, you know, my dice were exploding and stuff. It's such a fund system. I play. I love savagery. Probably my favorite system. Um, and I don't think it's really necessarily close. I have. I mean, I probably sold Mawr Savage Worlds books than most people have ever even read. To be honest, I mean, I've ever seen I probably still have. You
mean just like girls books
different, like modules and rule books and like expansion. So I probably still have, like, 15 or so years. So, like, savage worlds campaigns like sitting on my house. And then before I left, before he moved, I sold like, 405 100 bucks worth of books back to a car, like a bookstore, a local bookstore in town that, like that buys back books. So I saw a bunch of, like, mailed like 3.5 books, and I sold two of my three copies of dragon lands and they were talking about that which role ball,
and it's so awesome growing up.
I remember I got
Dragon Lands books and yeah, that's what my reading like, really took off. I read The Hobbit and I was like, so into it. And I was like, OK, Lord of the Rings is too big I want other, like, short fantasy novels and my friend gave me I think it is the legend of human on first
Oh, I think I still I still owe my probably started ever get rid of Huma?
I never started with the Companions. I started with all the other stuff that when I got to the government, and I remember thinking it was kind of boring compared to planes
were fun, though, because you got that size to my first fantasy book was Legend of Huma, and it will forever have a soft spot in my heart. I have. I still have my like a copy of my second copy of it. I think that I picked up when I was in the Navy. Um,
my friend, I'll never look out in the rain at his house. And when he gave him back to me, you know, when you dry out a paperback book, and it's like, Yeah, he gave back to me And I was like, uh,
nobody. So I didn't like the red like Huma. And then I read a couple of the other of those ones written by Richard Mack, I think, remember correctly. And then I read a lot of like the dwarves I got super like the dwarves, the dwarves of Dragon Lance. Yeah, super interesting. And then I would say, probably guided to I finally got around to let the companions of probably 45 years after I got into Dragon Lance, I bet, um, that sounds of waves. There is one thing that I just never got around into
the early magic novels that were just so bad the arena. And I don't even remember before they had, like, a ah cohesive story that they would attached to cards in the set, everything. They were just like a novel that had, like, this ancillary relationship to the set. And it really wasn't even that it was super ripped off. Uh, no, but you could get, like some of the books had, like, a redemption card in the back where you get like, mail it in and get a card back. And
but they had bundles where it was like a book and a bunch
of packs. Oh, do that. I don't remember that. Oh, no, no, I'm
talking away before that. Okay? I mean, like the actual, like mid nineties when it when it early early started. So one of the ones that had was arena and you could get a card from that in the arena. It's a land card. It doesn't do anything good, But one of them, I think, was man a crypt. That's like a $250 card these days.
Oh, you got a man a crypt in a book. That's pretty sweet.
Yes, Sorry. One more thing. We're things to Savage was more thing. There is a campaign setting that I have not got a chance to play, and I will kick started as part of a Kickstarter campaign. It's like a weird wars. Two things. So it's like it's World War two. But instead of like German soldiers, the Germans have a bunch of monsters and undead like bad things fighting for them. And so it's like this, like Catherine Lu slash Like weird wars like crazy tack type of like steam punky World War Two setting looks like so much fun. Yeah, Someday Wolfenstein Inspect. Expect someday. Yeah, and it probably Yeah, and we'll defends. Awesome. So I matched with the big dealers. The heart still would not have been doing for 10 minutes. Now, what did you do this weekend? Hearthstone? McCutchen. Harsh. I didn't make a novel. Wasn't there gonna be a TV Diablo causing a TV TV? Siri's right? Yeah,
yeah. Then the harsh stone one is No, I think Magic. The gathering? Yeah.
That dividing line. Magic's getting what? I think there are still
one. I think it's gonna be like starring a character named Crippa Perry and or something
very exciting. You could watch that. Trying to fall asleep.
You like this thing exactly for you? Like like someone who can't. I'm not. I'm not
dissing a Crip Crip. Notice the audience and he knows what he's streams do it right. Like cripples a super chill stream like you could put Krepon. And like, you're not gonna feel bad about what you're doing. Like you might be interested, you might fall asleep. That's kind of the plan. Like I have in my sleep. I had a bunch of
priest this week, and that's pretty much we're gonna talk about it later. But I'm like 30 ish, 35 ish winds from Golden Priests and the thing we're going to talk about later, I'm actually super enjoying. So I might finally actually get there.
35 wins to go. So you probably get there. And like, what, 33 74 hours from now? Then the 70 73 74 episode. Whatever. I have an idea. Taste my blades. All right, So what is our first good ingredient?
Are lined all right? The first good ingredient this week is the friends list. I love friendless. It's fantastic. You know, I played Magic Arena for like a year, not all the time, but quite a bit. When I wasn't playing her stone, there was no friends list. I think there is no
so weird why I never played.
It was just it wasn't being a still. They just turned out it, But I have. It's You couldn't spec friends. It was just Super eight, not non social. So even if I never talked to people on my friends list just seeing the same friends on my friends list playing it always brings me comfort. Um, some of them I've hardly ever talked to, if ever. Like sometimes I think there's just a friend request of one of us, except the next day, and you can't even remember who it was. Others I've talked to a whole lot for a lake, Um, two nights, like four years ago, and then I haven't talked to them since. Um, this one fret eso I'd like to take this time specifically personally to appreciate some of the names on my friends list that are people that I honestly don't play with or talked too much, but it's comfortable comforting to see you playing alongside me. So here we go. Uh, pe la co eat Jeff Bezos.
Good advice. Really? A
skate action who I think is an old old DHL urgencies out. Yeah, but actually, if you're I just haven't talked a good action in years, but he's not there playing, so yeah, um, Kyle Drogo, this got four years ago in the summer, got chatting, and we were, you know, drinking a beer later tonight, playing the game together and talking through plays and But
how you're married?
No, but But, like, you know what it is, It's There's a point where, like typing through places like not a point, like I just want to chat through plays rather than constantly typing. And I think I think we've maybe drifted apart then. But four years later, just still on my friends list. Still see him playing all the time? Uh, Brando, whoever you are. Straw barrel. I was wondering if that was a THL recently or not. It's no since I came back, this person has had really I ranks like way to go strawberry sinister need. These are all people have just been on my friends list for a long time. I just recognise their names. So some of you are great. Some of you I don't really know others. I totally forget who you are, but you're all very special to me. So from the periphery of my heart, thank you.
And speaking of friends lists, mine's getting full and I don't know how to get rid of friends. So if anyone was hired to that, please tell me cause it's gonna get awkward one of those weeks in THL when, like I don't have enough friends spots open. So, you know, just saying
change. You have to go push moved, friend and then go down to the friend. Used to be, you could just click on.
Why would Why would you? That's since then. So you can, because now you can master remove people don't go
through just to lead a whole bunch of people at once instead of
having a great person mattered. Arms, thrall of mine. Just great. I have the not so good this week and for my not so good. I am going to read off a list. Um, and I want you to tell me what the's cards having in common. So first is in ashes of Outland card warm All Challenger. The second is a Gala Cron's Awakening Cold card. It's bomb rank. Lor Ah, The third is a descendant Dag Ron's card anchor. The third is a descent of bag runs. Card awakened. The third visit descent of Dag Grounds Card, which is bonkers but didn't see play really Sky barge for savers of old doomed blood. Sworn mercenary livewire Lance, Rise of shadows. Clark. What Golam or Goblin? So what does how have in common. You could Warrior three drops eso Apparently, if you give one class all the good three drops, it's a good class. I know it's weird, but and it's insane. They just continue to print like, amazing bonkers Three drops for warrior like Compare that to, like, drew it right. They got Arch Spore, my Shiffrin bog beam and imprisoned seder right to five. Bob means all right. In, like, the death sometimes sees play right? Like major got in prison, not a beholder. Another wind portal. Um, Paladin got underlying angling Rod Priest got one. Going hypothesis is just bonkers. Um,
priest did it was cart. When was Carl was that recently? Karlsruhe. Good cars Karsh Mind Flare, Carl.
Oh, that was That was two expansions ago, right? The one that, like the three men at the three day death rattle a stop three drop.
Is it though it is, Yeah.
Three men or 33
must bend to expansion to go. That kind of
playing priest that's like we'll talk about is one of the most bankers. Three drops in the game.
It's FYI, drivel rouge. Got a can't Akama and gray heart sage. Not sure what that would card even didn't even bother reading it. Like, contrary
stealth. 1,000,000. Draw two cards.
Great. Hard red up your alley. Okay, Um but yeah. Common. Not so much.
Yeah. Yeah. So that's a state, right? Like so they just keep on like this, like this? Like it's a warrior that continue to create these, like, stuff, perpetuating cycle of warrior being really, really good because they continue to print like, bonkers cards that build off each other, right? Like, And car wouldn't be good if it said draw dragon. Right. But instead you get a draw The best meaning in your deck, right? You tutor out the best move and do face damage. That's insane, right? It's just like I'm not mad about it all. Like, I think it's fine. And it's a fine, fun and interesting back to play, but it's kind of gets frustrating toe like just watch warrior over and over and over get interesting and cheap removal or interesting cards that, like expansion expansion to play off each other and build upon what warriors trying to do. Whereas like other classes like one set, you're getting overload and the next set you're getting all spells, right? I guess. Just Yeah, it is so strange that, like the the classes aren't designed in the same manner where another hearthstone designing is small.
I think one of the things with warrior, though, is like the enraged or could tell you has never really been, I guess you know, um, get in here with patron Patron. Warrior was a thing. Yeah, but since that enrage in warrior hasn't really been a thing until blood sworn right, you
know? And that's not even blood sports on this argument enraged thing, right? Because it's just about injuries. Interest. Afraid you really
just It's and really Yeah. And it's something
enraged Mechanic that's have a problem with its warrior in general. But control warrior
time, right? So, um like, and this is a thing that happens all the time when Dex get really powerful is they slowly release parts of the archetype and that eventually there's a tipping point where it becomes, like, really good. Um, yeah, and and there's, like, so many synergies. Um, and they miss one thing, and all of a sudden it and I think the thing they missed here was normal Challenger, right? Like I think that's the thing they missed, right? The one.
Yeah, I'm not even playing about this deck, right? Because before this, we have met Korea Right before that, then we have no control warriors, always great than we've had the Warriors, just like it's
it's not. It's never been like the best best deck. It's
been the best best deck a lot of times.
Not like consistently, though,
but no one's consistently best best deck. But like warriors, probably consistently the best best deck, I would say over any any other class or consistently a top men attack or have at least one pat minute deck. What shaman? More than shaman? Yes, 100%. Okay, don't you think more than shaman like know what's been like?
I don't know e
like e like Sharman had. That would be a wrap our thing. Or it were because the spikes in Chaman have been more crazy, oppressive, but less like so. The Met control warrior was like it was a thing for a long time it had a couple different builds, but when we had, like we had that overload aggro Sharman, back in the day with the 13 and the 34 totem
Paltrow and put Uncle Yeah, thank you, Andi. Also metering shaman issue had the two best, the two best Dexter midrange shaman, Agra shaman, which was definitely press. It was at the same time, though,
and I think a lot of the warrior was known for stuff like it had patron. It had pirate Warrior. It has had a lot of, like, gross oppressive. It had some aggro decks that were just a pain to deal. There's there's another thing that we have that lane super fine. Um, the stuff that Teoh put it I don't know of a better way to put it, but the stuff it sucks sticks in your memory a lot more than, like, uh, stuff that was not that bad. So it's easier to remember those times that you get, like, rail by a nut draw from a pirate warrior than it is the times that you were able to like out Temple them or outlast them. And more than that. But it's really remember that. So I mean, I just mean that contributes to the discussion where, when you're talking about like the decks that are super strong for a long period of time. I mean, I think they've rotated. Morning. Regan has had its day in the sun where it's been,
you know what? Let it stay in the sun like Druid was the worst for the longest. True was terrible. Three years, It was
mobile. Time was crazy, right? Like yeah. I mean, what's
the classes whose it ever really had its time, which is pretty violent. Teacher, at least
was a good, hard injured long ago because that's how bad the deck wise,
I would say probably priest, to be the most obvious. Because all I had was like it had, like, the machine gun shadow priest, right? With a priest or big reason that they have a big priest, Right? So, um, let's see. So Rouge has kind of always been good because that when, um, shaman had it's like shaman like, had its moment right. But then it's that come and go really like it will be good issues. Certainly,
last year was just that it had been good for so long. What other decks shutter water Norman was
involved not only was good, for that was really a big deal in that one expansion will evolve.
Shaman happened twice. There was the the five or six man make three.
Two that was There was that wasn't a real attack. That was like a mean, right? Well,
and I feel like there was something else between shutter walk and mid range in a garage. Allen's
marlak Sean with the angler that put things in your hand. I mean, it just became one of the red deck winds, kind of things where
you could spend it was stuff, But I'm talking, Wasn't I think
so. Again super dependent on who you are as a player and what you're seeing. I mean, the broad metta is different than the pocket metals that an individual player sees. So yeah, it could be a totally different experience
warrior in there. I'm my complaint is more of warrior in general, as a class seems to like, they seem to I'm not sure if it's easier to design. Toe Warrior could see because it has, like a very has very obvious archetypes within warrior, right, like the that they can build upon, um so, like, it just seems that warrior it's not always the same type writes. I drew it when Drew was really, really good. Drew adjusted druid stuff, and sometimes you would change like five cards. But it was still Druid. Um, right, like, didn't take you by warrior, the fund that I thought warrior is it really does. The archetypes that are good are oftentimes very different from each other. Oh,
that's what I love about this deck right now. It's a new archetype, and it's interesting and it's fun. And it
didn't I guess it's a new mean out over,
And you are. There's never been a death this It's weird. It's not a
re damage your own minions.
But the way you do it in this deck is completely different than any other decks. That there? Sure. Yeah, this is not This is And it's got this weird kind of like early game do nothing mid game like explode. Kind of feel to it. Um,
was that literally patron water?
And I guess, Yeah, I guess. Patrons. The closest thing, Yeah, I guess it's it's different than patron
was. Other than that you're in
mean, the patron thing was the mid game was the endgame, because the point of it was to go over the top with when you put down patron in war song with your whirlwind or whatever, too Repeat, dented at that I blow through your like or try to make it through your whole turn and get enough damage to hit through face.
Yeah, I mean, so my main complaint isn't about the current warrior, that which I have no problems with whatsoever. Um, it just like warrior as a class in general, it seems tohave like a um it just seems to always beginning something new and interesting and awesome, while other classes tend to really, really struggle. So, um and we do think it comes down to like it's like these same early game type of cards, right? Like where it's able to kind of build on certain things where it's like cheap removal. Or it's like something like a nice with the activators kind of play with each other nicely there, the Warriors very well designed class, and I wish that, like the other classes, could be well designed as that one. Um, and I think priest has me hopeful because Priest is really good and interesting right now, and it's still priest, but it's like actually that's what terrible say. I think that
really her hat on is like I'm finding priest really enjoyable. I'm really excited about it and I didn't think I would be. And I really hope we get reworks to some of the other problematic classes soon like that. And I hope what it means is for the longevity of Priest is we don't have so many spikes, though. Priest hasn't had many have any spikes right around like That's the problem. We've talked about this lots and lots of people talk about this right was shaman where it's like, Well, they're classics. That is just so bad. They have to try and overcome our in the expansions. And it's harder to judge the power levels, right?
Yeah, I think that there was a good job with Priest with redesigning. I'm hopefully to do the same thing with, like, shaman, um, vehicle salmon mechanic. Common needs a rework 100% like it's basic and classic Is Hot garbage, literal hot garbage.
The Evolved mechanic is really fun, but it's for this very this desert hair like turned three get like crazy, insane, callous f kind of like games is not a gonna be the fun way to do it.
I don't like evolve. Evolve is a feel bad mechanic, right? Either you low role as the player and it feels bad because you lower rolled or you hire, rolled and feel bad for guitar player like Like evolves to feel bad mechanic. I don't like evolve necessarily. I don't think it's fun. I don't want that to be the way they're going with the class. Actually, I hope they do something else. I think overload is much more interesting because it's kind of like a like a ramp, almost, but like well, But, you know,
like the value of getting out instead of setting patterns lead.
Yeah, so, like, I think I think overloads a very interesting mechanic. And I wish they one of the because. But again, it can snowball right? The problem is, they say, States face face.
Yeah, and the problem is, most of the powerful overload mechanics or catch up mechanics so doesn't make sense, because you're not like getting the value now and getting ahead in the game. It's like no, oh, wait till I'm behind And then all like, clear their board for chief. But then the next time I won't be
a mental destruction and make myself also no chance
the next Turn them behind again and then I have to play something else to come back. And it's like, Well, but we saw I mean, not every single one has to be like the 13 Just get bigger, get bigger, get bigger. I was panel trough Donald Drug
drunk. Yeah, way drug and their deck.
Hal is all in a lightning storm and the destruction
of houses houses.
How is he also back card? Oh,
but I loved it, you know. What was it? Rate shaman Legendary. The is electric storm surge. I really like the kind of that one.
Yeah, it was really good. I love I. I hit legend lecture, storm surge in my deck. Um,
I also told you know what the other one I really like was Calamos.
Oh, I love Taliban. Elemental
shaman. Midrange mental. Was such
a blast aware? Where's Elemental shaman at, right? Like I don't know. Um but, you know, I'm not like I'm not trying to, like, bag on warrior. I'm just like my not so good. It basically is. I would like other classes to be able to have really good sets on, you know, consistently throughout, like, expansions Way Warrior does, because I think it really does. And I'm not trying to. It's a bad thing. Like I enjoy warrior quite a bit. I have, you know, my second golden Class 30 loading classes. Warrior. So, um but yeah, it just seems like an embarrassment of riches. That's why was trying to say is it just seems like there's an embarrassment of riches with warrior, which is fine. Um, and I'd much rather this than control warrior. Think control warriors. Just It's just mind numbing to play.
God, I miss that. Vary in weight.
Your power passed here. Power, passion Never be a game plan like it just shouldn't be.
Um I do think that the warm all challenger could use a little little
Oh, there are a couple Clark, their capture. I could definitely nudging, right.
But I don't think being able to keep coin and do 30 damage from hand is I'm all for 24 charge damage. Even 26. I don't think having a deck capable of doing 30 from hand is fun for me. Fib was watching fib was playing with a new Quest Warrior deck on ladder. Andi kept queuing and take a waffle was watching Play Priest the other day, and he's playing the quest with the guy who gives you a coin during the quest. And then what he does is he just doesn't to complete the quest, even though the four threes they're so good against priests, he does not complete the quest until he gets the coin. And then he can grown for 30. And you just grow a mentor, agent or age. Uh, coin was very mercenary is 28 28. I think there's a way to do 30. I don't know any way. It's that's a little bit like Okay, I don't know how I think about that.
And I am on the record that I loved Charge damage and charge mints. I thought it was a really I was sad when the 44 man of four to arcane whatever it was calling him darling. What can go almost wrecked right into a 44? That that's your point. Win the game and then, like Leroy, was my all time favorite cards, right? But I'll be honest, like the game is better without it. And, like I am cool with just the charge. Millions just like going to wherever charged me is he's ago. I don't feel like we need them in the game. If I never hear snort snort again, I would be happy about back like I just I would I would almost argue about
you played with the game. Mutis
four at bluegill are like almost worse because they're so abuse herbal because we are. Yeah, because they're cheap. Got so much easier to abuse a cheap card that you can buff and it's granted. It's a little more work, but yes, I can see the argument foreign rogue in particular, like Leroy Shadow step shenanigans. But that's doing work with one card. It's not putting this where you can just dump or, um, what was the other one? That the 13 life Steel Was it Russia Charge and violence File fin That was in the, um, a new South rogue.
Yeah, what was that? You can't remember. I
can't remember either. Mean
cork victory. But Graham is one thing, right? I don't have a problem ground being in the game because Graham is not great. And if you could make it work and make it great, that gets pretty. It's rarified air when it's actually worth playing, and that's fine. That should be a class legendary.
It's It's one of the biggest parts of the best deck in the game right now, though.
Yeah, but like only because of, like, all the pieces aligning right and that's fine. But like Corcoran, Corcoran like, first of all, for what long pre time? Corcoran wasn't played. And now it's almost on auto. Include, in a lot of blood, blood sport plus warning. Especially right? Like so I don't I'm kind of mixed things, Mark or chronically like its class, so I don't have much of a problem with it. But
when when the blood sworn goes away, I bet you Corcoran over away. I
was still playing l a pirate warrior list the two.
Yeah, that's true. But it wasn't like a great card in those decks. It was good. Yeah, it was fine. Yeah, right. But I don't have a problem with a fine charge card, but I think No, I think I think neutralize ago. Really interesting to see these decks. One blood swore mercenary has gone. That card is Well,
let's warranty activated, right? Like that's just I don't think that's gonna be interesting, because there's just anymore.
But, Skipper, I'll be interested to see if skippers that thing without blood.
But how are you valuing without skipper, right? Like because you're doing that with your Blitzer mercenary? Yeah, right. I mean, yeah,
bombs. But Mom, Wrangler and ah, brute, though, right? Those are the other two,
I guess. But like, I don't think this right has done. If you're not able to do other awesome shenanigans copying, I could probably very, very much be wrong. But maybe I'm not cool. Doesn't find out later. Thank you. I thought it was a good one. Um, how about you, Makuch? What's the best? Good.
All right. And this is coming from me is weird in quarantine time, discord. And for a long time, I didn't spend enough time there. But especially after this last weekend, um, having just an absolute blast, doing dumb stuff, spending more time trying to catch my breath, laughing than thinking about my place. What's in my hand? Where I am a huge thank you to you and Parliament for hosting that. What I hope is the first of many, um, you know, not in every week kind of thing. But I'd hoped for it to be somewhat frequent. Um,
I won't be able to host every week, but if other people want toe, organize it and make out,
I think you know, I would love to try and do this. I'll try and hosts some. I would love to have the showing grow a little bit. Um, and then I kind of had to steal from your thing to, um, the friends list. Comfort. Um, I also wanted to shout out to a few people that are on my friends list that have been there for a very long time. And most of these, I do distinctly. Remember when I friended these people on. A lot of them were because of the names. Uh, so Parker Lewis, Kentucky Lewis. We used to trade magic cards on deck box. Leslie Knope was because of, obviously parks and rec. Karaj and progenitors those air to magic cards. Captain Salami, how could you not talk to Captain Salami?
Hi. I think Reasons is one of my
favorite bands. Uh, these are all people that I still you know Well, maybe trade 80 gold Or do a tavern brawl or something every once in a while. But it is like you said, comfortable. T have, uh, that, uh, consistency of seeing these people up. And someone who probably belongs in another one of our channels here. Massive poop being a line all the
time. Not friend up for something
you haven't really did. I had Teoh have persons the king and queen. A toilet stone, right? Yes. That's
a real person on your friends list. Yes, it is. It is. That is wonderful. Host game or user name of all the
masses. You're listening, Dan Ho. Dannell was always zero number 17 76. That's become power.
How did you get that number? That's pretty
randomly. And it was super lucky because I would never remember other. Really? Yeah, well, you can change it. Even change the numbers you
can. You can get a new one. You can't pick your number. You
could change your numbers in discordant picture numbers and discord for sure.
Oh, yeah. No, no. I don't think you can battlement and maybe you can. I
know of a battle that maybe you can't. But it was random. It was just sheer dumb luck. Ah, sweet move on and be filthy casuals.
Yes, Yes. One day I'll be a real night.
So dry So, Billy West, I gotta look up some of these voice actors. Someday. It
will be kind of that's all like Friday, isn't it? Um, so we're going to talk about what enthronement is calling waffle priests. And with the rest of us just called Gala Crown Priest Uhm uhm And the what we want talk about is so and the priest mere could be like super tricky, right? Like, you know, when, Like, what is your game plan? Is your game plan valuers at tempo? Um, like, when is the time to, you know, actually start getting start Kind of like, you know, when is it turned? When you want Turn the tides. When do you want, like, have that big swing turn? So we want to coach you through the first few difficult turns of a priest mirror. Strange life shall bring victory. Wow! Greetings. Blessings to you.
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obviously them trading he'll face. Okay,
so right about here, you're probably wondering, Do I play a septic? Know he'll face big
thanks to Matt it arms for being available.
Osteo. Yeah. So we're gonna talk about increased because we're having way too much fun playing priest like it's a matter back that sent me a message the other day. He's like, Are we all pretty Spain's? My answer was just like, Yep e you
You really put the bug in after we were watching you put you play it after the brawl the other night and I was like, Man, this deck, I gotta
It does. So
gonna waste a few days. Plan what you find, Dak.
It's so fun. Um, it's I've never played a control deck in any card game where it felt like you had so many weird decisions to make rather than use my removal here, Do I not do I try and lure a little bit more in and trying to get more value? My, That always happens in controlled axes. Not my favorite name to play. It's It's it's it's hard to dio, um and and it can be fun, but it's not my favorite way to play. My everything about this deck is you have those turns were like, Do I use my removal now? Do I know what? And then you're like, How do I use this twin slice in Priest to the best of your ability? Right? And And it's like, Do I save it for Pyro? Do I? So the list we have here is from Eggo Waffle, who I've been watching on Twitch the last couple weeks? Quite a bit. He's unbelievable player, and he's been like top 20 with Priest on. I believe this was his list. If it's not, it's I've seen another couple players on Twitter, like posting this list in high legend in other servers. So this is kind of the list is going around right now. It's a Gallagher on priest. Um, it's got, like, priest cards that everybody's running like renew and penance. Um, do you want me to read through the list? Makuch, you have the best voice. Why don't you read through the list? I just did it last week. Why am I doing it again this week?
All right? Sure. All right. So waffle priests we have to. Disciple of Gala Con to renew to Penance to Set Thick Veil. Weaver one. Shadow Word. Death one. Shadow Word. Pain two. Thoughts Deal While. One Wild Para Answer To Apotheosis To Breath of the Infinite One. Madame Loisel. One. Mind Flare, Karaj. One. Shadow Madness Two Feet. Weaver to Shield Gala Conned to Time, Rip Crocs, Gala Cron's Soul Mirror and More Is On
It. It has all the most fun cards in the game. Just is a Madeleine Jewell fit quality. My flare cart fun, steel throwing board sex. Legendary. Is these air just all fun, stupid And cards? They're just awesome to play,
And the crazy thing is the not fund cards or the gala thrown cards like Gallagher on cards in general. And not that one except the priest Gala Cron Trigger is fun. So, um, like gambling's fun. We're all playing a card game because on some level we like gambling, and we like orangy. If you don't like our injury, you're not playing a card game. You might not like the levels of it that come out of this deck.
I had a couple triggers and I was like I got to light wells in a row. And I'm like, Are you kidding me?
What am I gonna do with this? And then I was like, where I
was playing against, um Ah, Highlander Warlock.
in the played no, no. But he played cranks and got the 88 And then I next turn, I played Shield gal around and he played Alex Terraza Hit my time, hit me for seven and I was like, Oh, now I played the four man Paladin Dragon that heals me for eight. Both of my late wells Heal my face and play or a new on Now I went It was amazing. I got, like, 14 16 Life off the light wells like it was great
Crazy. The light was a really bad Except for when you're in the right stage of the right kind of game and then you like, past year divan 100 hunter, opponent. And you're on, like, 13. And they can't quite kill you. And you see this moment where they start trading their ones and their twos into your life, they're just hoping that they don't heal. Your basically kill themselves. So I was like, Well, that's a visa of life or, ah, you know. And then the hill, your face and you feel good, or they don't. You get
that, I ask you play this. Oh, no, Go ahead. That
I'll ask you to. Legitimate questions. One. Is it correct to keep renew in the mere just for an early gameplay For a Discover card? No. No. Okay. And then, second, you
want you want to use renew when you know what you want most of the time, I think, but I'm not like the expert, but I think I'm doing okay.
No, no, I That's what I figured. But I also wasn't sure I was
reading a similar guide. And the Mulligan was always keep disciple. Never keep a renew feet Weaver, Crocs, apotheosis, indepent. Everything else was kind of the
priest Mirror is insane. But one of the things I would say about the priest mirror and I really disagree with me. I was having this discussion with someone. The priest mirror is very much near the end of the game, mid to the end of the game, about tempo, and I was kind of getting into a bit of a discussion with someone the other day where they're like its value, its value? No, no. Every priest mirror ends with everyone having 8 to 9 cards in their hand. You both have infinite value. The person who wins the priest mirror is the person who's able to stick their board against the soul mirror or they're allowed to grow their board and the other person hasn't generated enough board, clear or board control things. So there will be a point in the game where one of you runs out of your abilities, the specific cards they need to keep control of the board and whoever is winning at that point with tempo wins the game. So I've seen a lot of players play this deck where they just hero power in the mirror have returned, and then they burned cards and they have full hands. And sometimes you need to play both of those really bad five drops and get them out so you can generate more marathons like that.
Wait a minute. That was That was me saying, I won't pay these 25 drops and you telling me not to. And then the next turn going. Yeah, we should play those 25 Trump, was it? Yes, I remember like we've for five nights ago.
That's definitely a thing, right? It's a weird matchup, but it is a lot about what you generate and when you use things, the problem is it's a 30 to 40 minute game, and at the end of it, it's hard to remember if that turn 15 turns ago was one of the reasons you did well or not. And I'm sorry I'm not going back through my priest games and identifying what it's No, no, no. I played.
I played eight games and it was over three hours.
Yeah, yeah, I got
it right. But I also did not have a mirror match. Priest isn't the only class I didn't see,
but like I said last week, I'll play for a couple hours. I'll be like, uh, five games. A. Oh, well, they were great. So, um yeah, so some of the best things that happened in this deck that were obviously like stealing other people's cards. So some of my favorite things I just made a quick list of some of my favorite things about playing this deck. Number one is multiple. Gala Cron's um stealing. When you steal the gala crown from another deck, it comes with its many invokes is they've made. So one of my favorite things is when I can't find my invokes and I steal my opponents of Rogue Gala Kron that they haven't drawn from their deck yet. But I get a fully invoked rogue gala crowned. That's really fun. And that's like, Oh, thanks, I'll take your free cards And then I still get to play my gal Akande later. Once I use all these free invokes, it's pretty fun. Um, the brutes. So cars, um, is insane. Mind flare cars is so good for tempo like your aggro opponent plays the four to, um, Seder or the warrior plays and they play warm. All challenger or the brute is on board, the brew is the best, and you cars it and then they go to clear cars. But then they're like, Oh, there's a 68 in there or oh, there's eso like it's like a three man like 9 11 right? Um, that the like kind of avoid. But then it has rushed, so even if they leave it, you get to run it into something like that card is It's hilarious. And you played against these decks that you know have no silence, and it's hilarious watching them try toe. I
had not quite the same thing that I had. Um, uh, the that warlock play like a very early gala crown and got one demon. And it's the 33 that death rattles into the 91 Yeah, and I got to
I saw the replay e a Shadow
Madness it and then put the death rattle, revive two of them and then penance it. And I was like Now I have a 91 and two of your three, and he had to blow. He, Of course he had played in flames, and it wasn't quite as cool as I wanted it to be, but still,
that was a crazy game. That's funny, because I haven't seen anyone post any priest replace the rate. Just replay it and you posted that I was like, sweet. And then I was, like, 18 thing is taking a while to watch this replay. Um, the other one of my other favorite things is to steal the altruists from the the Demon Hunter and then cast apotheosis on it after I fate weaver it and made my whole hand really cheap. Um, and then you get to just go off so you get toe ultra, says the priest. But you also gain life for every damage it does to everything that's like really nuts. And the thing I like about this list is the wild pyro apotheosis combo. That's a really fun combo to play through and you gain life and clear their board. I haven't hit that yet. The last one. That's really obvious that people do a lot. Is the murders on? Um, you have to be careful with Verizon. It doesn't copy battle cries, but it does copy the effects of treasure from tog waggle. So when you just wait for them toe want, although I think it's pretty decided that wanting is bad in rogue against priests. So mostly now is that the goblet they're doing the one that were you summoned to legendary? Yeah, it's the crown. I think the
way with the crown drops the crown.
There was a great game in GM's were shacks. He did the goblet against Tyler, which was kind of crazy, but it is the crown the crown and and they're doing that so that if you do more is on. At least it's a random. Legendary could be really bad. Um, but it's still fantastic. Murders on is when I started playing this deck, I was excited to blame Verizon. And now that I've been playing it a lot, it is just one of my favorite Harston cards ever figuring out when to play it and then some games you've got, like, four of them. I
feel like this is one of the cars where I was, like, play everything. They plea I should make a golden one. And then I talked myself down from it, and I'm kind of regretting it. It's
fantastic. Um, yeah, and, uh, you just need to like, I'm not gonna get too much more. But I say it's just really fun. Um, yeah, it's really, really fun.
All right, so let's get so I a let's get salty and tell them what you got for us this week.
Well, let's see hearthstone and ash that there's a new patch going live tomorrow, and, uh, we're not that kind of podcast. So we're not going to talk about what's in the patch, but we're gonna talk about how people responded to it. Yes. So for the 17.2 patch going live tomorrow by reading about it here and below. And Twitter, these are the kinds of responses we got.
Yeah. If you want the pack, what is going live like Lana's? You go to Twitter cause we're I actually do not know.
Yeah, I don't either. Didn't even know there was. What? We're thumb on the pulse.
Yep. You won't read a first. I call I call dibs on last one.
Sure, but why don't you start with this 1st 1 okay.
From Katie. Day K. Underscore a underscore. I It's just too hard to say. Um I don't see anything about three cents a theory. You know, that card that's pretty much for rag morose and a sexy demon form with the ability to attack as well, for a total of 12 damage of return.
I mean, they're not wrong,
you know, they're
not wrong, but it's still funny. I felt bad going through
it there. I was like,
I don't remember. I don't notice it. Is it like a gross, sexy demon? Have a demon, right?
A weird. It's definitely a little I don't know, man. Sexualized like I don't know about that. Like, is it scantily clad? Maybe. I don't know. I would feel like
that would be a very weird thing for them after, um, succubus and Yeah,
I don't think it's actually
not like it wouldn't be that I haven't noticed it. Yeah, but it doesn't mean it's
not so. I don't worry. I guess that's true. Figure wrong, Cade.
All right, so I'll take the next one and then the following to our responses to this. So we have Soldier ner otherwise known as enthralling 13 weeks ago, not playing until a substantial d H nerve happens
from from Sai Click. Nobody tell him to already happened.
And then from Johnny Pot smoker who and they weren't close to enough you should learn toe how to reading comprehension.
So glad I didn't really for you should learn how to reading comprehends. Thanks,
Johnny five smoker. I
hope that self aware, because that would make it so much better. But
oh, it wouldn't it wouldn't, um,
actual like Twitter at his Stephen asked for.
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give a quest cause I feel like the rope I have I would like to put a little time into So
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for us? Our parliament? You got one in the hopper here.
Yeah, I want to see. So is the quest. I want to see some people get this done this week. I cannot wait to see what people come up with. So my quest is for everyone to build decks with countering strategies to each other. So you need towner intuitive strategies. No, no,
no. Like actual counter each other like,
Yeah, that might sound stupid. Yeah. Now, I'm not going to that.
It's okay. You're a doctor. All right. Thigh quote. Play one on Dr Dan. Uh, I
was politically better advice, by the way. I'm just saying, like, just say,
I'm sure you would. For example, you know what you know. He said that, like, 10 years before I became a way.
Don't know, give or not.
I'm sure he did. I give way better advice that also X with countering strategies to each other. So two strategies that do not belong to each other jam them in the same deck. So my example is disco ham block. So you've got the I want a big, full handful of stuff, like like cards that that reward you for having a full hand and discard effects like put them together, take to totally oppositional strategies and try to fit them both in one deck. That's what I want Were about
ramp beast Druid
like Ram aggro cells.
Or you haven't seen this golf style like whoever loses the most games way try.
It's gonna be the joy of going
I don't even I don't even know I have so many. Like
it's hurting my brain to try and put things together where it's like, No, that doesn't work. But that's the point. But then it doesn't really work the way it doesn't work. Spells
to awesome Frank Index. So,
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