Brian talks with Caleb Sima (@csima) and Adam Ely (@adamely) from Bluebox Security. Bluebox has recently pivoted, or as they like to say, stayed true to their mission, applying security to the things that matter; the endpoint, which is now the app. They touch on self-defending apps and how to work in a zero trust model. They talk about their new Open Distribution model to hand out apps. They move onto wrapping and how many companies don’t do it well and how they excel with app wrapping. The three of them go on to discuss the state of Mobile and security. They then talk about how they encourage security within their own company and the fact that part of what makes Bluebox Security what it is, is that it’s still fun. They end talking about lessons learnt building a startup.