Modern Energy Management

City of Orlando's Journey to Modern Energy Management with Ian Lahiff

November 22, 2019 Nate Nilles & Amber Artrip Season 1 Episode 10
Modern Energy Management
City of Orlando's Journey to Modern Energy Management with Ian Lahiff
Modern Energy Management
City of Orlando's Journey to Modern Energy Management with Ian Lahiff
Nov 22, 2019 Season 1 Episode 10
Nate Nilles & Amber Artrip

In this episode, we're joined by Ian Lahiff, the Energy Project Manager at City of Orlando. With initiatives driven by the Mayor's Office, the City of Orlando has made a major shift to sustainable infrastructure and green building operations. Tune in as we discuss

  • Ian's journey to Modern Energy Management at Orlando
  • The how technology has played a major role in these initiatives 
  • Why resiliency is an important factor for city energy management
  • Cool projects Ian is working on
  • Tips and advice Ian has for other energy and sustainability pros

If you enjoy our show, please share it with someone you know who might find it interesting as well. Don't forget to leave us a review in the Apple Podcast app. 

Would you like to come on our show and share your story? Email us at [email protected]

Show Notes Transcript

In this episode, we're joined by Ian Lahiff, the Energy Project Manager at City of Orlando. With initiatives driven by the Mayor's Office, the City of Orlando has made a major shift to sustainable infrastructure and green building operations. Tune in as we discuss

  • Ian's journey to Modern Energy Management at Orlando
  • The how technology has played a major role in these initiatives 
  • Why resiliency is an important factor for city energy management
  • Cool projects Ian is working on
  • Tips and advice Ian has for other energy and sustainability pros

If you enjoy our show, please share it with someone you know who might find it interesting as well. Don't forget to leave us a review in the Apple Podcast app. 

Would you like to come on our show and share your story? Email us at [email protected]

spk_1:   0:00
Hello, everyone. And welcome to the modern energy management podcast. This is the only podcast where energy managers, sustainability leaders and building owners and operators can share their stories of modern energy management with their peers. My name is Amber. Our trip, and I'm the producer of the show. And I'm joined by Nate Nellis, my co host.

spk_2:   0:21
Thanks, Amber. What? We've done a lot on buildings, so it'd be exciting to have a city on the podcast today.

spk_1:   0:30
Yeah, we have a very special episode today, which is all about the city of Orlando. And today, with us, we have in life who is the energy project manager at the city of Orlando. Welcome to the show. In

spk_0:   0:44
Thanks. Happy to be here.

spk_2:   0:45
So in and looking at your background lots of interesting things in there from, you know, having an energy engineering degree. Time with us. G B. C. With the U. S. Department of Energy. Ah, long stint. Now current with City of Orlando. But tell

spk_1:   1:03
us a

spk_2:   1:03
little bit about how you got into the industry. And Ah, and then we'll talk a little bit about some of the work you're doing. City of Orlando. How do you get here?

spk_0:   1:11
Sure. Uh, you know, my career really started when I was focused on going to engineering school. I knew I always wanted to go to school originally very interested in and an automotive industry and, you know, fast cars and exciting aspects of engineering. But as I got through school more Maur and spent more years focused on my engineering degree, I realized what really made me happy was seeing an impact of the work that I was doing. So I stuck with mechanical engineering but shifted gears slightly to focus on energy systems. Got really embedded with my local Ash Rae chapter. And that helped foster this sense of community and need within the sustainability interest industry that eventually helped, uh, shape of my career path to now working in energy efficiency, helping toe optimize city facilities and eventually make an entire city one of the most visited cities in the country, run completely, offer renewable energy.

spk_1:   2:16
We're really cool. One of the most visited cities in the country because of Disney World. And I'm assuming

spk_0:   2:22
oh, many, many attractions bring folks to Orlando. In fact, over 74 million visitors a year come to the city beautiful.

spk_1:   2:31
That was

spk_0:   2:32
a lot of resource. Is that go into maintaining that that level of hospitality as well?

spk_1:   2:37
Absolutely. So, um, can you tell us a little bit about your day to day role at City of Orlando?

spk_0:   2:43
You're So I lead a team that's focused on the energy efficiency and eventually renewable roll out across city facilities. The city is unique in that we own and operate over seven million square feet of municipal buildings and you know the same bread and butter that every other city has around the country. So fire stations, police stations, community centers. But the city of Orlando is unique and that we actually operate our own performing arts centers. Our own stadiums are Ah, a lot of the downtown core is maintained by the city as well, so there's a lot of opportunity to make strategic investments in those city facilities and then definitely see some great returns. And that's what my team focuses on, you know, going in identifying and then implementing the energy conservation measures, measuring that progress, measuring that impact and then hoping other decision makers and city leaders understand how we're using those resource is and make better data driven decisions down the line.

spk_2:   3:46
And that's really interesting when you think of reinvestment dollars. D'oh! Ah, lot of those go back to your team for additional energy efficiency programs. Or how do you get involved in that?

spk_0:   3:59
Yeah, So actually, that's a great question. And I'll take a few steps back to give our listeners and understanding of how we got to this spot. Um, if you guys remember way back in 8 4009 we started the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act right. And a lot of other cities. Ah, and government agencies got a small amount of funding seed funding to make smart investments in the community. Some cities put together ah, lot of different, um, things that helped those cities become more resilient, more sustainable. The city of Orlando chose to implement our first enterprise wide building automation system, as well as a few strategic air conditioning, change house and some very, very limited lighting work. So this is our first foray into energy efficiency for city buildings. We received about 1.7 million to do that work. We start huge returns on it mean upwards of 25 28% return on investment for a lot of those projects, Right after a few years of that, yeah, we we started sharing that information. I kind of went straight up the flagpole as far as our chain of command. And the CFO was intrigued, and they eventually saw the value in that so much that they went out and got a municipal bonds for 10 times the amount of recovery act funding that we received.

spk_2:   5:26
Wow. 10 X.

spk_0:   5:28
Right? So now my team went from managing the Small Recovery Act funding of 1.7 million to now having 17.5 million in energy efficiency bond funding that eventually grew to over 20 million.

spk_1:   5:43
Wow. So walk us through some of these projects that you've implemented because I know your story, and it's one of my favorites. And, um, so talk to us a little bit. This is a modern energy management podcast. So what, um, have you implemented as faras modern energy management of the city of Orlando?

spk_0:   6:03
You think one of the most basic things and I'm sure a lot of your listeners know already and understand she can't manage what you don't measure right? so understanding where you're using energy and a lot of times where you're wasting energy. It's some of the the lowest hanging fruit that you can pick and implementing a building automation system with some meters and strategic places across the building to really capture those big energy loads and demands helped to paint a picture of what was happening across our portfolio of buildings. And that did take some legwork on, and we tended to package those with other quicker return on investment projects. So packaging that was, say, ah, lighting project and building automation effort helped the numbers look a lot better for the folks over at City Hall that they're looking at that sort of thing. But we know that some of the best bang for your buck is in the HBC performance, especially here in the South, where we're running air conditioning just about all year long.

spk_1:   7:10
Can you talk to us a little bit about some of the return that you've seen on the energy projects you've executed?

spk_0:   7:18
Sure short. So some of the ones that we're very proud of, um, are our fire stations. We've gone into each of the fire stations across the city. We have 17 fire stations in each just different district. And you know what's unique about our fire department is that there are an I S o class One rated fire department. So there's a handful of fire departments within the country that meet this extreme level of preparedness as well as training, having the facilities in top condition. And, of course, all of the equipment and knowledge that it takes to manage resource is for a city like Orlando. These guys are very, very well trained. And they're able to do everything that firefighters could do across the country and then Maur because the rescuing people from Ferris wheels and roller coasters. And you know all the other things that Orlando has that you might not find in other cities, right? And especially the density of all those visitors. So we wanted to focus on that as one of our core customers. And we also realized that these are 24 7 facilities. The guys live and work at these fire stations. So going in there with the approach of how can we make this building work better for the building occupant as well as make these buildings work more efficiently with some of our core values. And working with Orlando Fire Department, we went into each of these buildings. We did build the automation. We did led lighting retrofits, and we also examined some of the older buildings to try to package that with remodeling efforts and make those buildings work better for the firefighters and their teams. We've seen returns and the low end around 18%. And on the high end, 27 28% on the savings from those investments at the fire station. So we're really excited about those we always wanna bring those up and share. Those with are our friends and other municipalities.

spk_2:   9:24
So it sounds like he and I guess two questions here on that one. It sounds like, you know, the led upgrades were huge. You did some things with system efficiency with building automation, which probably was a big piece of that. But

spk_1:   9:37
how do you

spk_2:   9:38
get fireman excited about efficiency and sustainability? Was it all around document comfort or walk us through that? How did you get them fired up about these changes?

spk_0:   9:47
Yes. Oh, there. They're not, uh be honest with you. They're like this is our house. What are you doing in our house? You know, they really think of it like that. That's Ah. They live and work in these buildings. Uh, more so than, say, a community center that's open for, you know, 12 hours a day where they do before and after school care, and they rotate through different shifts. It's a different working environment. We felt that making sure that we're having that connection with the guys that are in there on a B and C shift. Because you know, every other day they're changing shifts. So making sure that you're talking to the lieutenant on shift, you've already worked with the police chief and the captains to understand, like, Hey, this is what we're gonna do. This is how it's gonna benefit. And, of course, really carrying the flag of this is the mayor's initiative. This is not in lifts. Energy project. This is the mayor's Green Works initiative. And we're doing this on behalf of the city's municipal action plan. So kind of pointing to that higher authority figure definitely helps when you have, ah, customers that that might not be is willing to entry now to bring you into their building. Ah, but to be honest, the response has been great. You know, we've had a couple of folks that are like, Wow, these lights are way too bright. But by turning them off for giving them more control, they can more effectively control their own environment. And I think that's one of the great end goals of managing energy effectively is being able to hand, albeit in sometimes limited control, but to the building occupants. Because that's who were building these buildings. Four. That's who were operating these buildings for if we didn't have those occupants of our customers, there's not really a point in doing all of this effort. So, um, ended up getting really good feedback from them, as well as a lot of our other customers across the city to

spk_1:   11:36
very cool. As a daughter of a firefighter, I can understand how difficult it might have been. Thio, um, come into the house and make all of these changes. So that's really, really awesome that you're able to get them on board. Um, so I want to talk about something that we're seeing across the country is cities and your city, um, almost every major city has some sort of energy reduction mandate or local law around the built environment. We're seeing this in New York and here in San and Cisco, um, Boston. You name it. All the big cities have something. Can you talk a little bit about what's happening in Orlando and what this overall means for our industry?

spk_0:   12:23
Yeah, So I think it's fantastic, you know, in the absence of federal leadership changes happening locally. And I feel that from my perspective, especially, um, my career path. I've had experience at the federal level. I've had experience at the state level. I am happiest doing work here at the local level and being able to see the impact in this shift as we move forward. Even the City of Orlando several years ago when I started it, didn't have the audacious goals that we have in place. Now the city of Orlando is focused on having all of our municipal facilities over seven million square feet of space run completely off of renewable energy by the year 2030. Wow, yeah, so that's one of our big overarching goals were also working with our local utility to make the case for our entire territory that the utility serves to be net zero r running off renewable energy sources by the year 2050.

spk_1:   13:27
And how have

spk_2:   13:28
you felt that conversation or that interaction is gone? You know, you think in, in many cases, utilities, you know they're there to drive their business by selling energy, and obviously there's some benefit to them. An infrastructure about people being more aggressive with alternative resource is. But how is that interaction been? And they've been very open and easy to work with. In your experience,

spk_0:   13:55
I feel like they've been a great strategic partner, You know where I couldn't do it without them. We've been establishing strong partnerships with, you know, folks over at the utility that I worked with on a weekly basis. But one of the the trampolines that really helped us spring into our our current level of understanding was the recent grant that we won two years ago, called the Solar Energy Innovation Network Grant from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, and to win and apply for this grant, we partnered explicitly with our utility along with the Floater Solar Energy Center, which is a research arm of the University of Central Florida. We partnered with them and focused with the scientists over at the national movement. Will Energy Lab in Colorado to work on a sustainable energy road map for the city of Orlando. And this, I mean literally forced us to all get in the same room around a round table and go through some mind mapping and worksheets and problem solving and go up to the national lab and work with their scientists and engineers and really understand, over 18 months, what are obstacles were what some of our holdings docked points were, personally or organizationally or philosophically and how to work through that. And this happened at the same time that Orlando Utilities Commission, our utility, was going through their new, um, integrated resource plan. So it helped inform some of that. And we also captured some of the information that their I. R P was feeding back into our our grant process. So it was a really good experience to be able to bring everybody together. I would encourage your listeners to go after a program that kind of forces you to get into the same room with the utility, especially if you have one that's reluctant to work with and kind of work on strategic goals together, even if there's not a funding source attached to it, even if it's just Hey, here's some in kind workshopping, you know, some leadership opportunity for us to get together and have somebody work is a, uh, omniscient leader to get us to the point where we want to be definitely go after those opportunities because it helped us a lot in the city of Orlando.

spk_2:   16:15
I think that's great advice, you know, not one that probably a lot of people have ventured out to do. But it really shows a sense of community and what you have working there in the city of Orlando. Plus, I would think you're pretty good customer.

spk_0:   16:28
Yeah, that's right. Not the biggest, though. You know, there's a few other organizations you know, Universal Studios, Seaworld. There's some big customers for the utility as well.

spk_2:   16:40
So, Ian, a question that may dovetail into that one is all around cities like Orlando, where you've seen a real increase in natural disasters, and you spoke to you know how integrated and unique it was of all the facilities that you own. and operate. How important is resiliency for you guys when you think about, uh, the energy and sustainability side of the business?

spk_0:   17:04
Sure, it's actually baked right into the name of our department, focusing on sustainability and resilience. You know, we have a whole Green Works action plan for both The municipal portfolio as well is the community that dictates how we're going to approach goals in each department, whether that's on the cell, the wayside or facilities, engineering or public works and weaves in resiliency, standards and strategies so that we're always keeping that in mind when we embark on a new project. We're also working with our utility to land solar plus storage at a few select sites and managing buildings that were building out of the ground new construction facilities to be able to be dual purpose. To be able to work as a hurricane shelter. To be able to provide a multitude of service is if need be, as well as making sure that our critical facilities have that level of redundancy that's that's necessary in the face of increasing natural disaster frequencies.

spk_1:   18:15
That's very cool. So in a question, we always like to ask our guests on the show. I'm I know you're working on a ton of projects and completed a ton of projects. But, you know, I I see you as a real leader in space, whether it's at City of Orlando or anywhere else. What's one of the projects you've worked on that you're professionally most proud of? I

spk_0:   18:37
think that's really got to be the Amway center effort, the Orlando and my center, where the Magic play. The basketball team was built only back in 2010 and when it was built, it was a lead gold facility. We're very proud of that building, very excited about it. It's a lot of fanfare around the building, brand new and had all of these different amenities, and this is still a very fantastic building. But it's also one of the most major energy consumers and our entire portfolio of facilities, and we also run three uh, water reclamation plants across the city as well, which are massive facilities and still the Amway center tops the list. So we targeted that early on as a real opportunity to go in and understand where we could squeeze more energy efficiency out of this building. This is a about 875,000 square foot building, you know, completely closed in under air, right? We started with the lighting effort. Uh, you know, even as his youngest 2010 those light fixtures were still metal allied. We're still 1500 watts of peace. And there was hundreds of them up in the catwalk shining down onto that court and making sure that all of those cameras, when everything was lit up and have a packed house that you could see everything that was going on. Well, there was really a lot of additional heat and wasted energy because of all those pictures. And when it was built, the technology wasn't they're for led lighting. Uh, we identified that as a program that we can move towards an led lighting solution. We devise an RPG and worked with engineers. Put it out on the street for a bid. And one of the things that I want to make sure everybody understands that this building is that it's just not open for, ah, few basketball games a year underneath the four. The basketball court is actually an ice rink. And there's a minor league hockey team that plays there and there's, ah, concerts that go on and all sorts of different events. In fact, they have over 270 events a year at this facility, so just getting in there to be able to do work was a real challenge. Uh, we went out on the street with a bid and r P to do all of that led lighting along the catwalk way up high and the Amway Center, which is a really great vantage point if you ever want to catch a game from up there. We replaced um, about 300 light fixtures that were 1500 watts with fixtures that were just under 200 watts of peace, and we actually deleted 2/3 of those fixtures as well. We're able to replace with a fewer amount of fixtures to provide the same level of lighting, toe light, multiple different sporting events, and previous to that there were specific lights for specific events and there was a real sense of redundancy up there that wasn't needed. We were also able to save a tremendous amount on the heat that was coming off of all of those old lights as Well, uh, I'm really proud of that project. We were able to go in there into a facility, uh, similar to the fire stations where people didn't want us in there. There was a lot going on. There was too much to do. We couldn't have any downtime. We went out to bid on. We got the same crew that ended up doing the World Cup just a few weeks earlier on all of their stadiums down in Brazil. They came up and they banged out the whole project in just 10 days.

spk_2:   22:13
Holy count. 10 days.

spk_0:   22:15
Yeah. Bingo. Cruise that what? We're working three shifts. We had folks doing demo. We have folks doing set up in angling the lights. We did as much as we could at the factory so that when they landed on site, the lights were pre aimed and pre positioned so they could just get fixed and installed right on the catwalk. Uh, and then there was some additional commissioning after that. But we had our third party engineers come in, certified from an MBA and an NHL lighting standard. And we met all of the televised lighting standards as well, which is really incredible, with a singular product previous to that. The folks that worked at the Amway operations actually had to change the light bulbs in those fixtures every few years, even if they weren't burned out because that was part of the contract for having televised games is that you have to have so much life in each of the fixtures, and we're we're seeing an industry shift away from that, and we're happy to be one of the first stadiums to have a multi sport solution with a single light fixture and meet all of these different criteria.

spk_2:   23:19
That's incredible when you think about all the different organizations that obviously you mentioned, whether it's n h, l n b a, etcetera and all the things that you have to meet, even for all the TV broadcasting as well. To do that with one solution is is really impressive. And into the speed had softie on that one.

spk_0:   23:37
That's pretty thanks. We actually continue. The momentum on that project ended up doing all of the non sports lighting, the concourse, the back of house, the box suites, and now we're on our third phase effort. But we're going into each of the massive dehumidifier cation 50,000 CFM units that are in each corner of the building. I'm replacing the single stage, 75 horsepower fan with the fan wall that's able to give a lot more redundancy to the system and able tow us ramp and ramped out, up and down the system to save more energy. Our engineering projections are putting outside or out about $900,000 savings per year for this single building.

spk_2:   24:19
Well, I'm ready for a game City. Should I check the Orlando? Uh, schedule? You guys got a city sweet down there?

spk_0:   24:26
We actually d'oh. Yeah. I don't know if I can get two tickets, but we could try.

spk_2:   24:30
Hey, you know what? We'll we'll talk. I love it. Now that's a really interesting project, I think so many different aspects. But to show the success of something at that scale is ah, really interesting. So in it sounds like you guys were doing a lot in evey charging as well. And I know quite a boom right now with electric vehicles from a lot more manufacturers. When you think about the city of Orlando, you know what is your kind of overall strategy and adoption for supporting electrical vehicles.

spk_0:   25:08
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. I am actually embedded in our fleet and facilities group. Um, unlike other cities across the country of my colleagues, they attempt to be buried in a public works department or in a smaller subset of the mayor's, you know, strategy group. I'm actually reporting to the fleet and facilities division manager who's an appointed official, and then he reports to the CFO in the city. So we have a very direct link to getting budget to implement change, which is great. Plus, I'm over here a 10 acre complex that's solely focused on maintaining and managing the fleet of all of our city vehicles as well as all of our city facilities. So all the tradesmen technicians on motive mechanics, heavy diesel mechanics work out of the building that my office is in, and that's it. That's a 10 acre compound. That service is over 3000 city vehicles. We have just about 2828 50 rolling vehicle assets. So so licensed police cars, fire trucks, what we call fire apparatus as well as their own solid waste fleet or garbage trucks. We're happy to say that we're moving towards an alternative fuelled solution or future for all of those vehicles. And by 2030 we're gonna have every single fleet asset to be alternatively fueled. We can't unequivocally say that they're going to be electric at this time because there really isn't an electric fire truck. Or at least I haven't seen one yet or a garbage truck, for that matter. But we're moving the fleet in that direction.

spk_2:   26:52
I'm sure Helen's working on one right now. We just don't know it,

spk_0:   26:55
you know we're ready for it. In fact, we've had some conversations with Rive Ian. I don't know how much I'm allowed to say on

spk_2:   27:01
that day. I love the look in that truck. It's amazing.

spk_0:   27:04
I got mine reserved as well. Uh, we're also working with Nissan and again the University of Central Florida to scale up some lab proven technology. And this is a really cool new project that isn't designed right now. We have currently a 420 kilowatt array across our 10 acre complex. We're going to be expanding. That's add another 250 kilowatts, which is exciting all by itself. Um But one of the really interesting points about this is we're going to be also adding another 36 electric vehicle charging stations. So this is going to allow more electric vehicles to be purchased charged here and then act is kind of a fueling depot as they get dispersed across the city. But with really need from a resiliency perspective is that these air going to be bi directional chargers We are experimenting or working to scale up vtg technology or veto ex technology as you may have heard it, and thats vehicle to grid or vehicle tow X or vehicle to building. Uh, the way we like to think about it is, you know, if you have a standby generator or even stand by battery, that's the stranded asset unless you're in a state of emergency and you're using that. But if you have a need to use a battery backup source or a UPS, and you have a whole fleet of electric vehicles, which are basically rolling batteries sitting in your parking lot, why can't you use that electricity that's stored energy to run your building in a situation where you need that additional resilience?

spk_1:   28:41
So it's a

spk_2:   28:41
really unique idea. Haven't heard that before. Um, totally makes sense.

spk_0:   28:46
Exactly. Exactly. So we're working with, uh, Nissan, a few other strategic partners, and we are rolling out that technology on an industrial scale. So moving in from the lab to scaled up, we're gonna be able to monitor how that works. Were working with engineers to design it. We have some really cool rendering is right now, and we're bumping up our procurement efforts to get more of those TV's in our

spk_1:   29:11
fleet. Wow. And that is so cool. I feel like you have your hands in so many different types of projects. You got evey charging stations and car batteries and buildings. And how do you I don't know how big your team is. It sounds huge based on everything you've just told us. But how do you prioritize your projects?

spk_0:   29:34
Yeah, that's a great question. Um, it's kind of a balance between identifying and implementing those energy saving solutions. This projects that are going to have impact that really align with our, uh, effort deliver service is to our customers, and our customers are the community centers or customers are the fire department or the police officers. But then we have these overarching goals from the mayor's office from our Green Works Action Plan. What we're trying to move beyond the status quo on beyond what we've been doing for decades and to try to lead by example, our mayor Dyer. He wants to be the tip of the spear when it comes to sustainability. And he really works to empower our team members in different focus areas, right? I'm not the only one. I focus on energy efficiency, renewable energy, fleet and facilities, but we have experts that are focused on solid waste composting. I mean, we even are working to expand efforts to collect pre imposed consumer waste and then feed that into an anaerobic digester over by Disney that creates his own electricity. I mean, there's a lot of other projects outside our scope but still have an influence on the energy and resource consumption of the city, so I tend to be involved in it. As a license engineer, I get pulled in for my opinion on a lot of different projects, and I really just thoroughly enjoy it. So it makes for an exciting day,

spk_2:   31:02
and I think any time and I'll speak for Amber to and you could wake up and get excited about what you're doing. The outcome is that much better. So Hey, congrats. It's great to Ah, you know, I can tell just listening out fired up Yaar about those projects and what you're doing for the city, and I'm sure it Ah, it kind of is, is taking on well, by all those people around you and your team. Yeah. Question for you in in thinking more about advice, right? So we have listeners from from different aspects in this business. But when you when you think about advice that you would give to the listeners that maybe have some great ideas but need to execute much like the city of Orlando has done to get that mo mentum, what advice would you give it to them?

spk_0:   31:49
Well, you can't do it alone, So I think that one of the biggest mistakes that folks make and I'm guilty of this myself is trying to get so into the weeds on something that I'm passionate about. That I'm just gonna force it Ah, through the process and it's gonna happen. And, you know, I'm just going to carry that torch all the way to the end. And in reality, especially working in government, it doesn't work like that. I mean, there's just between red tape and checks and balances and putting together an R P and then handing that off to the procurement group. And, you know, you kind of wash your hands of it for a while before it gets ushered into that next phase. Really, from my point of view, it's best to focus on encouraging others, empowering others and acting as a force multiplier across your departments. If you can get others to really understand, hate these air, our overarching goals. This is not Ian's energy project. This is the mayor's initiative. This is what we're all working on. We're working within the same bucket of resource is here, and these are our strategic goals. So if you're doing something that doesn't align with that, like, for instance, I'm working very closely with our public works department. If we build the building that isn't aimed at getting net zero or isn't solar ready, we're shooting ourselves in the foot. If we have this 2030 goal that's 10 years away to get all of our city facilities to run off renewable energy. And we build new buildings that don't run off renewable energy that we're not moving in the right direction, right? So kind of helping to right the spec for others to, uh, empower them and help educate them so that they could be proud of what they're doing, that they could be contributing to these overarching goals as well. That's gonna help the bottom line across the city.

spk_1:   33:33
That's so great in. And I think I speak for name. Um, you know, our mission here is to make the built environment more sustainable. And I think the work that you're doing is really inspirational. So thank you for all the work that you d'oh! And thank you for coming on our podcasts and sharing it with us.

spk_0:   33:48
No. My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

spk_1:   33:50
I hope that you come back real soon. Maybe maybe this time next year and give us Ah, 2020 update.

spk_0:   33:56
Oh, definitely. I'll be happy to share how that bi directional charging efforts going and, uh, hopefully tell you all about my new revue in

spk_1:   34:03
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