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Spring Break & Birthday Celebrations

Speaker 2 0:02

in the finished product you had , uh , your vocal track on . I think our last quick cast had that and then I've had it . I had it on one of our episodes . Tom had it at one point , like it's just there's getting to be like this little , like it sounds like the audio is dipping , but that shouldn't be , because it's recording locally , right , but I keep getting that in Riverside and so I'm just like , oh so with Priscilla I've started just recording locally and I'm kind of thinking about starting to do that with Buzzcast too , even though it's a pain in the butt to export those . But it's just some of the butt to like export those . But it's just some of the audio is like really distorted and I literally will like cut sections because the audio is crappy I think it was just the last full buzzcast that I used the riverside app for and not the web browser .

Speaker 1 1:02

Yeah , was that the one that had problems with for and not the web browser . Yeah , was that the one that had problems with my audio .

Speaker 2 1:07

Yeah , the one that had the app , um , but I've had it with people using the web browser too , so I don't know .

Speaker 1 1:19

Back in the browser today . I didn't like the extra screen that they started popping .

Speaker 2 1:24

Yeah .

Speaker 1 1:25

But now I'm living with it . All right , let me get my head around what we're talking about Podcast apps , web players , two-family message Segway into podcast , new web player Okay , okay , I don't okay , all right I think I got it , you got it , I got it .

Speaker 2 2:04

You got it .

Speaker 1 2:05

I got it .

Speaker 2 2:06

All right .

Speaker 1 2:09

Got to energize .

Speaker 2 2:10

I'm going to try . I've had my kids home this week for spring break , so it's like she's running empty .

Speaker 1 2:24

We just got to ramp for 10 minutes . I know we can do it . We don't even have got to ramp for 10 minutes .

Speaker 2 2:26

I know we can do it . We don't even have to do it for 10 minutes . It doesn't like . That's true , it's 10 minutes max .

Speaker 1 2:33

As long as it's good .

Speaker 2 2:34

Yeah , that's all that matters . All right , kevin , let's do it .

Speaker 1 2:40

Do that again clean .

Speaker 2 2:41

Okay , all right , kevin . Hey Jordan . Hey , do that again clean . Okay , all right , kevin . Hey jordan . Hey , we're back for another quick cast , this time alvin's out you were out last time , I think .

Speaker 1 2:53

Yeah , it's , you know , springtime . Yeah , it's like . It's like um . Spring and late summer seem to be all the time when different buzzsprout employees are in and out of the office , lots , lots of vacation time around those two times of the year .

Speaker 2 3:06

I was seeing a lot of out banners across profile images in our company chat so I was like , wow , I don't know if anyone's in the office today .

Speaker 1 3:16

Are your kids out of school this week ?

Speaker 2 3:18

Yeah , they're out of school this week .

Speaker 1 3:20

You guys doing anything .

Speaker 2 3:23

We have done a few things , but today is actually my daughter's 13th birthday .

Speaker 1 3:30

Oh fun , oh my .

Speaker 2 3:31

Yeah , so I'm officially a parent of a teenager and she is . I have to , you know , obviously work today . But she is antsy because I promised her I would take her to the mall for birthday shopping trips . So as soon as I'm done with work , we are busting out of here . We got to run to the mall .

Speaker 1 3:50

Good , that'll be fun .

Speaker 2 3:52

Yeah , so it's been a busy week because it's spring break and also my daughter's like big birthday , and so , yeah , what about you ? Have you had anything going on for spring break ?

Speaker 1 4:01

Last week was my kid's spring break and luckily they all had the same spring break , which hasn't happened since my daughter went to college . So we took advantage of it and we headed out West and did a little skiing , which was a lot of fun . Weather was great . A lot of fun .

Speaker 2 4:16

You went to Montana right .

Speaker 1 4:17

I did and I can't believe . It's the first trip I've taken since the pandemic hit where all of our flights were on time oh , really yeah no delays , no like maintenance issues . No crew didn't show

Podcast Apps & Listener Feedback

Speaker 1 4:30

up . All the stuff that's been going wrong on every single flight I've taken . For some reason , I think they're finally getting the kinks worked out maybe , hopefully , it's at the same time we're seeing like planes flipping over on runways and I was gonna say catching fire and all that , so a different set of problems .

Speaker 2 4:44

But luckily I was never affected by any of that stuff yeah , I was gonna say for all of all the years for you to like finally not have something go wrong .

Speaker 1 4:51

I'm surprised it was this one right . So spring break is a lot of travel happens . It's a great time to listen to podcasts , and I saw on the outline that you want to talk about podcast apps yeah , so .

Speaker 2 5:04

So I mean , this Quick Cast was really inspired by listener feedback that we've gotten Got a couple of fan mail messages about podcast listening , so I thought you know what ? We'll take our 10 minutes , We'll hop into this and give some feedback and ideas on how to fix issues that some people are experiencing . Okay , Sound good . Yeah , All right . So I think the first one that I actually want to get into Peter McCauley , from British Columbia . He wrote in a couple episodes ago and we addressed this on SoundOff , but I don't know if he stuck around for SoundOff . So he wrote in again and said I appreciate subject matter , but there are no chapter markers nor a transcript in this podcast over an hour . And yeah , the podcast is long , which is why we use chapter markers and transcripts . So I'm thinking Peter must be using a podcast listening app or web player that does not have chapter markers

Chapter Markers & Transcripts Issue

Speaker 2 6:00

or transcripts on it . What do you think ?

Speaker 1 6:02

Yeah , that sounds right . Yeah , the most common one for Buzzcast listeners is the Apple Podcast app , which does show chapter markers . It's a little bit funky how you get to them . It's not a real obvious thing that you could tap on , and I don't even use apple podcasts enough to tell you offhand how to get to it , do you ?

Speaker 2 6:24

um , yeah , when you have the episode up and playing you um , let me pull this one up . So when you have the episode playing and you're on like the now playing uh screen , there's like a little menu on the bottom right-hand corner of your listening app and you can , of course , I pull up one that doesn't have it , but you can click on that and then it'll show the chapter markers . And then there's also a little on the left-hand side of the bottom menu bar . There's like a little quotations thing and you can see the transcript that Apple generates , because they don't take our transcript that we edit . So if you're on Apple , you can do that . However , it's a little bit tricky because if you use the Apple Web Player , they don't have chapter markers or transcripts on it .

Speaker 1 7:16

Yeah , well , here's the thing that really confused me about the message that Peter sent in , and it's that he's aware of chapter markers and aware of transcripts .

Speaker 2 7:25

Oh yeah .

Speaker 1 7:26

Which makes me think that other podcasts you listen to you are seeing them .

Speaker 2 7:30

I didn't even think about that .

Speaker 1 7:32

I really want to hear back from Peter , Like what app are you using to listen to Buzzcast ?

Speaker 2 7:37

Yeah .

Speaker 1 7:38

And why are we not seeing chapter markers and transcripts ? Because , again , presumably , you're seeing them with other podcasts . Yeah , so in Apple Podcasts , we see them In Pocket Cast , we see them In Overcast . We see them Spotify . We see them In Overcast , we see them Spotify . We're . This show is not actually on Spotify , but we do have lots of shows that are hosted on Buzzsprout that use chapter markers and we see them on Spotify . So almost all the apps , of course , we fully test and everything . So , yeah , I'm curious , what app are you using and why are you not seeing them ?

Speaker 2 8:08

Yeah , this actually reminds me . Pocket Cast also released a new web player . They announced it I think a few weeks ago or something like that , and I was really excited because I was like , oh good , so Apple has a web player , pocket Cast has a web player and it's another podcasting 2.0 supporting application that is going to be , open to a lot more people .

Speaker 2 8:28

However , when I went to their web player web application that is going to be open to a lot more people , uh , however , when I went to their web player , they also don't have chapter markers or transcripts , and so I'm not sure what's going on with these web players that they're not supporting that . I don't know if it's that much extra effort or I don't know .

Speaker 1 8:45

Uh , yeah , I mean , everything's some level of effort . Uh , the transcripts like getting it to follow along with the audio . I could see how that could be a pretty big hurdle .

Speaker 1 8:56

That's true , yeah , and taking that on in your native app first and then bringing it to your web player later . That could make a lot of sense for a lot of teams . Yeah , the chapter marker stuff seems simple enough , but again , these companies all work different ways and so they have to prioritize stuff . I imagine chapter markers for sure would be coming to both web players at some point for Apple and Pocket Cast . But the transcripts in Pocket Cast , the app , don't even follow along with the audio right now . Now Apple Podcast does , and it's a really beautiful experience . I could see them saying we really want to get this right before we bring it to market and so it's going to take us a little bit longer . But Pocket Cast , it should have been a pretty quick thing . But maybe Pocket Cast is just like let's put out a web player , let's see what sort of traction it gets , how many people are using it , and then we'll take the next step of investment if we see it's a popular thing .

Speaker 2 9:47

Yeah , all right . The other , uh , family message that I want to talk about is from alan from california , who said how come your player stops when I navigate away and does not let me resume .

Web Player Limitations

Speaker 2 10:00

It starts from the beginning and I have to find where I left off that one is a puzzler .

Speaker 1 10:06

I , I again unless he's using , he's going straight to the buzzcast website . Yeah , click .

Speaker 2 10:11

That's what I'm inferring . Yeah , yeah , that's what you're thinking , I'm thinking . So Again , unless he's using , he's going straight to the Buzzcast website .

Speaker 1 10:14

Yeah , clicking on our web player .

Speaker 2 10:15

That's what I'm inferring .

Speaker 1 10:15

Yeah , yeah , that's what you're thinking , I'm thinking so , yeah , and so if you click , if you have that player open in a tab and you click play and then you open up another tab and continue to browse the web , it should continue to play just fine , unless another tab starts taking over the audio .

Speaker 1 10:35

So if you went to YouTube or something that might take over the audio and pause it , and then you can flip back to the tab and hit play again , in which the Buzzcast episode would take back over , if you close that tab , though , and then you open that another tab later and come back , it's not going to remember where you were . There probably are some ways that we could accomplish that technically , but , as far as I know , web players do it like it would involve us , you know , dropping cookies on your screen and or on your computer and then trying to resume from that location , and it would be technically challenging and , again , it's not a big thing that web players do . This is a great area , for if you want that type of experience , this is where native apps really start to shine yeah um , they're just set up .

Speaker 1 11:13

The technology is a little easier to implement stuff like that to resume sessions , excuse me , um . And ? And which brings me to this other thing , which is like native apps in general . Do you remember like , okay , iphone comes out around 2007 or so , app stores launched roughly two years later , 2009 ish , and everybody wants native apps for everything , yeah , all the software that they use . They're like where's the native app for my phone ? I don't want to use the web view , I don't want to use the mobile website , I want to use a web app . It's a better experience and I'm feeling like things are starting to shift now .

Speaker 2 11:52

They don't want the app , so you don't want another app on their phone .

Speaker 1 11:55

People don't want to install another app on their phone . They have so many apps on their phone already . That's how I feel I just want to use the mobile web . I just thought that was so interesting and so , unfortunately , like these companies , Apple and Google with their Android platform have invested so much in making the native app experience is so great that it's hard to mimic a lot of that same exact functionality through a web app .

Native Apps vs Web Experience

Speaker 2 12:20

But we are starting to see I think the companies are starting to see that people more and more want a really great mobile web experience and they want that to mimic the functionality you get from a native app without having to install an app yeah and so they are starting to give us more tools that we can use to make those experiences better , but they're not all here yet , so yeah , I'm starting to um , I think that this is why apple started doing like the stacking of the apps , and now you can have like folders , and so instead of having like a million apps on your screen , you can now have them all individually organized and stuff .

Speaker 2 12:58

But yeah , it's , it is starting to shift to where you have to have an app to order , like McDonald's , and they push it . Every single time I go through the drive-thru , or like every when I travel , I have an entire folder full of travel apps that I have to have just to get through a freaking airport . It's so funny because it is getting to the point where , like , I'm resisting using apps . I mean , even if I watch like youtube , I will go to like safari and type in youtubecom to use that experience instead of the app which is installed on my iphone . I just I don't know there's something about it , I just don't want to get on the app . Yeah .

Speaker 1 13:36

Well being in the podcast business . I do have a folder dedicated to podcast apps and I've got 30 podcast apps in there , but I do take the one which currently , for me right now is pocket cast . That's my daily driver podcast app and I do break that out of that podcast folder and it sits on my home screen and so I get that . People don't necessarily always want to install another app you already have . If you're on Apple anyway , you already have the Apple podcast app . That's loaded on the phone by default . I think you can hide it . I don't even know if you can fully delete it , but you can hide it if you don't want it .

Speaker 1 14:09

On Android . I don't think there is a native one anymore .

Speaker 2 14:13

They got rid of .

Speaker 1 14:13

Google podcasts . So now it's like YouTube music , I think is kind of their default podcast app .

Speaker 2 14:18

Yeah , I think that's the one that's going to be stock on , like Google pixel and stuff like that .

Speaker 1 14:24

Yeah , so I .

Top Podcast App Recommendations

Speaker 1 14:27

If anybody's listening and wants a recommendation for good podcast apps , the Apple podcast app is great , so I really like Pocket . Cast I also like Cast-O-Matic is a great one . It's a very small , not very popular podcast app , but I like it a lot . Overcast is a popular one that a lot of people like . It wasn't a good fit for me , but I know a lot of people like it .

Speaker 2 14:45

Yeah .

Speaker 1 14:47

True Fans is a that is , a web app that you can install , and so it kind of functions like a native app after you install it , and I think Sam has been talking a lot about actually making a native version of it . Oh , really so that won't be native soon , those , are the top of mind , ones that come for me .

Speaker 2 15:07

Do I miss ?

Speaker 1 15:07

any that you like .

Speaker 2 15:10

I am going to say that you know , much to Kevin's dismay , I love using Spotify for podcasts . I really enjoy it . I also love using Apple Podcasts . True Fans was top of my list , especially as a web player if anyone is wanting to listen on your web browser . And then the other one that I really highly recommend , especially if you have an Amazon Prime account , is Amazon Music , and this is specifically because they have a deal with networks like Wondery , where , if you have an Amazon Prime account , you can get the bonus , premium content and ad-free listening in the Amazon Music app , which a lot of people don't know , but it's kind of a cool tip .

Speaker 1 15:56

So yeah , that's a good bonus feature .

Speaker 2 15:58

And .

Speaker 1 15:58

I'm surprised that the Amazon podcast app is still not a very popular app . Yeah , but you would think with that there's so many people who have Prime . Almost everybody has Prime or uses somebody's Prime account .

Speaker 2 16:12

Oh yeah .

Speaker 1 16:12

You would think that it would be more popular .

Speaker 2 16:14

Yeah , my husband . He's recently been on a huge smart list kick and he told me he's like I binge through all their stuff . So I think I'm going to have to go and subscribe and I'll get all the bonus ones . And I'm like , no , no , no , we pay for Amazon Prime . Get on Amazon Music , and sure I don't know , we pay for Amazon Prime get on Amazon Music and , sure enough , we have all the bonus episodes .

Speaker 1 16:40

So it's pretty cool . All right , oh , I was going to circle back . Oh sure , quick edit Edit marker for AI edit tool . Okay , so you mentioned Spotify , and I think you're right . Spotify is doing a really good job of making a better podcast listening experience within the Spotify app . I don't look at it all that often , honestly , but here's , here's , what you should know about Spotify is not every show is listed on Spotify . Not every show is listed on Apple , and , of course , there'll be exclusions , but specifically this show that you're listening to right now is not on Spotify .

Speaker 2 17:12

No .

Speaker 1 17:13

So if you want Spotify to be your daily driver , you're still going to need something else , because , of course , you don't want to give up Buzzcast .

Speaker 2 17:20

But no , absolutely not Like Spotify Buzzcast . It's easy , Easy choice .

Speaker 1 17:26

All right . So there's our quick cast roundup on podcast apps . Hopefully you all find that helpful and if you have any more questions about podcast apps , shoot them over and we will talk about them in the next episode .

Speaker 2 17:38

Sounds good , all right , and before we no , I don't want to say that because people are going to sign off . Also , we're seeing some more messages roll in for our last sound off question , where we asked you to tell us something about yourself that stats will not tell us , and we're really enjoying seeing those . But we want to get some more . So be sure to get those in over this weekend and we'll talk about it on the next episode . So until next time , keep podcasting .