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I end all of my"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2583.33,"endTime":2588.04,"body":"podcast, be good, and do good."},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2588.73,"endTime":2589.51,"body":"What is good"},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2589.54,"endTime":2593.74,"body":"boy that say, an"},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2589.54,"endTime":2593.74,"body":"incredibly simple question that"},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2593.74,"endTime":2599.2,"body":"is so complex and deep in"},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2593.74,"endTime":2599.2,"body":"answering that God is good. 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I've"},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2650.77,"endTime":2654.79,"body":"appreciate the way that you You"},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2654.79,"endTime":2659.29,"body":"think I appreciate you know what"},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2654.79,"endTime":2659.29,"body":"you're doing with this podcast."},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2660.19,"endTime":2664.9,"body":"Because ultimately, the"},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2660.19,"endTime":2664.9,"body":"Christian life, it has to be"},{"speaker":"Mark McCrary","startTime":2664.9,"endTime":2668.2,"body":"balanced. 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Well, I"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2677.41,"endTime":2679.45,"body":"hope you enjoyed that"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2679.45,"endTime":2682.84,"body":"conversation with Mark. I'm"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2679.45,"endTime":2682.84,"body":"truly impressed with what"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2682.84,"endTime":2685.6,"body":"they're willing to try. You're"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2682.84,"endTime":2685.6,"body":"doing good work there, my"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2685.6,"endTime":2690.13,"body":"friend. Keep doing. Next week, I"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2685.6,"endTime":2690.13,"body":"want to introduce you to my dad."},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2690.34,"endTime":2693.52,"body":"This was the first interview I"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2690.34,"endTime":2693.52,"body":"ever conducted for the podcast,"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2694.12,"endTime":2698.26,"body":"and the one I wanted to wait for"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2694.12,"endTime":2698.26,"body":"so I could get it right. So"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2698.26,"endTime":2701.23,"body":"until next week, let's be Good"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2698.26,"endTime":2701.23,"body":"and do good"}]}