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I appreciate your"},{"speaker":"Mark Roberts","startTime":2930.82,"endTime":2932.77,"body":"work and appreciate this"},{"speaker":"Mark Roberts","startTime":2930.82,"endTime":2932.77,"body":"podcast. Thanks for the chance"},{"speaker":"Mark Roberts","startTime":2932.77,"endTime":2933.25,"body":"to be on."},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2933.67,"endTime":2936.4,"body":"I hope you enjoyed"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2933.67,"endTime":2936.4,"body":"this conversation with Mark. I"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2936.4,"endTime":2940.45,"body":"agree the shift to digital tools"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2936.4,"endTime":2940.45,"body":"does represent a disruption. And"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2940.45,"endTime":2943.84,"body":"I also agree we need to take"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2940.45,"endTime":2943.84,"body":"advantage of the crash course"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2943.84,"endTime":2947.65,"body":"we've all gone through to make"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2943.84,"endTime":2947.65,"body":"these things work. Also, this"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2947.65,"endTime":2951.01,"body":"was just a fun conversation for"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2947.65,"endTime":2951.01,"body":"me. I hope that comes through."},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2951.58,"endTime":2955.0,"body":"Mark, thanks for your insights."},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2951.58,"endTime":2955.0,"body":"Next week, I have a conversation"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2955.0,"endTime":2958.48,"body":"with Edwin Crozier. If Mark was"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2955.0,"endTime":2958.48,"body":"an introduction, Edwin was a"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2958.48,"endTime":2962.38,"body":"revelation. I've lived within 20"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2958.48,"endTime":2962.38,"body":"miles of Edwin for about a dozen"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2962.38,"endTime":2965.38,"body":"years now. But this is the first"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2962.38,"endTime":2965.38,"body":"time I think I've ever had a"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2965.38,"endTime":2968.47,"body":"real conversation with him. And"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2965.38,"endTime":2968.47,"body":"I'm kicking myself that we"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2968.47,"endTime":2972.85,"body":"hadn't talked sooner. So until"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2968.47,"endTime":2972.85,"body":"next week, let's be good and do"},{"speaker":"Kenny Embry","startTime":2972.85,"endTime":2973.15,"body":"good."}]}