On today's Podcast I discuss working with Frank on the second episode of 'Interior Design Masters' for BBC/Netflix. Plus I pass on his top tips for choosing and styling the right bedding.
And I also chat to one half of the winning duo of C5 'The Great Garden Challenge' - Kate Savill.
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On today's Podcast I discuss working with Frank on the second episode of 'Interior Design Masters' for BBC/Netflix. Plus I pass on his top tips for choosing and styling the right bedding.
And I also chat to one half of the winning duo of C5 'The Great Garden Challenge' - Kate Savill.
To take advantage of the amazing 15% discount from Thorndown visit
http://bit.ly/TVCarpenter and enter the code "TVCarpenter".
Contact me: Wayne Perrey on Twitter and Instagram.
And if you would like to contact my guest her website is www.katesavill.co.uk.
To learn how to achieve a Safe, practical and beautiful home,
join THE DIY DOERS Facebook group
On today's show. We are talking about my experience of working with frank on episode two of Interior Design Masters and I'll be interviewing Kate Savile, the one of the winners from this year's channel five show, the great garden challenge. Hello, my name is Wayne Perry and welcome to the TV carpenter, the podcast where I share everything I've learned what's working on all the major home and garden makeover shows. You will hear interviews with interior designers, gardening experts, practical DIY advice, all with the aim of inspiring you and giving you the confidence to create your dream home. A huge thank you to my friends at Thorne down paying for sponsoring this episode. I love working with fallen down and I have done for a few years. 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But also they have over 48 colors in their core color chart ranging from traditional heritage to the more modern but big costs. Like I said, it's water-based. You can mix them and create any color you like. If you'd like to try their paint. The on down have kindly given us 50% discount on all their online purchases. So just go to Thorn down.co. Dot. UK and type in the code TV carpenter. Did any of you, you catch this week's episode of Interior Design Masters Episode Two? Well, I got to work with the fabulous frank. What's really lovely is I actually met frank a couple of years ago. I was doing a job at the idle home show and we were styling one big house and he was on there as, as an assistant. He like last minute, he'd just been brought in to help. Um, you know, that you always need so many bodies on those kinds of jobs, like putting furniture, report styling rooms and bits and bobs, just everyone hands on deck. And um, he recognized me from Gid c and he was asking me all about, you know, the great interior design challenge and we were talking about that. And then I mentioned about this new show that was going to be aired, interior design masters and they haven't cast it yet. They've just put out the breakdowns for, you know, for contestants. But I said, I thought actually you wanted to work behind the scenes cause in that, in the shows there's always great, um, design like you spoke to, I spoke gem or last week, who's, you know, an art director? No, they're designers in their own right. And I thought he wanted to work behind the scenes. So I said, can we should try and get on the show? I know that, you know, they're looking for people. And he was like, oh, well I think I'd probably want to be one of the contestants aren't really, oh, okay. So I actually gave him the application for me. He emailed me a few days later after we'd finished doing that job and I sent over the application forms. I said I'd announced it on my Instagram and put it out to everybody and I sent him the application form and then didn't think anything else off. It, didn't speak to him, hadn't spoke to him until the show started. And then I saw the list and the names and the photos. If everybody who's doing the shout and frank was there. So I'd like to think that I, I got in there, um, obviously I have no say in any of it and I don't know any of the casting people or anything like that. But, um, um, yeah, so I fought over his application form, so it was so lovely that my first episode, um, I got to work with him and he's been really interesting. I had so many messages from people going, what's frank like? Is He, is he like that? What's, you know, cause he's coming across, you know, some of the comments he makes and stuff, but to be fair, he's just saying what everybody thinks in their head. Um, and he's brilliant. He's just, you know, he, he'd just been really honest and at the end of the day he sees it as a competition. Um, and they all are against each other and he, but he's not doing mls. Like he always says whatever I'm saying on camera, he'll say whatever he says on camera and then he'll go and tell him what you said. So they can't, it's not like you're saying it behind anyone's back. Um, but no, he was great working with frank and his build was, um, quite minimal. There was lots of preparation of the room and getting the room, um, sorted. We had to fix a few little bits and bobs. But the main thing for me was I created the, the headboard for there, the back of the bed. And then out of the two days we were finished by day one. So I said to frank, do you, you know, do, what do you want me to do? Like shall I go down and help the other guys? And, and frank just smiled, Nah, this if you want to stay and uh, and helped me with the bed and you can, so for the second day, because the other guys didn't ask for the help and he didn't offer it up, I think he's really were on interior design shows. Normally I'm running around a code blue ass fly. I, um, I just ironed, so his bed, I ironed lots and lots of bedding and cushions and we styled all and, and I went and had a coffee. Um, what's really interesting, if you listened to last week's episode, when I was speaking to Gemma and we were talking about bedding and I remembered who I, um, I remembered who, who told me the top tips at bedding. So I gave frank a call and I said, Whoa, what were the top tips you told me about the bending? Cause I remember asking about the thread count issue and, and what, um, and what, what to get, you know, what is the best? And he told me so what he said[inaudible] so you mean what he said was, um, don't always go for that highest thread count of bedding. Um, that's like a bit of a, um, a ploy like the Egyptian cotton thread count thing. People think the highest thread count is the better, but actually what that does, the high thread count, you know, obviously is um, inch per square, a more cotton per square inch. Sorry. But what it does is it means that the bedding is really difficult to iron. So don't necessarily go for the highest red camp. That doesn't mean it's going to be any more comfortable. But what you should try and go for is cotton per cow. Um, cotton precal is the weave that is in there. So yeah, you go for a decent thread count, but the weave is worn over 100. Um, and it means that the, the sheets are really crisp and cool and nice. It's quite a good bedding to use in light summer nights apparently. And then he said if you want something a little bit warmer and a little bit richer, which is perfect for the winter nights and um, for warm evenings is go for cotton. Sateen it's smooth and soft and it's silky. Um, but it's, it's a little bit heavier so it's better for warming, uh, at night. So cotton Pecan, um, for lighter, um, summer evenings and for winter evenings go for Kat cotton[inaudible] and the other top tip, cause he does a lot of styling and he works, um, he used to start a lot of kind of show homes and things like that and um, event homes and you're saying when you're dressing a bed, if you're not going to sleeping it, if you're just dressing a bed, um, what the top tip that use using the styling industry is they use to, um, do bays they put to do veys, um, inside, um, uh, uh, do they cover and then they fold over the top. So it's almost like four do vase thick is the front and then you plump it up with cushion. So if you look on my Instagram, you'll have seen that showed a picture of Frank's bed he was at, he actually ended up, I think he's stuffed in a double duvet quilt and then he put a single warning just at the top end. So when it rolled over it looked really thick and some shorts. So if you're addressing a bed for a shoot or anything like that, um, or your selling your house and you want your bed to look really inviting at an extra pillow case inside an extra m d um, quilt inside the quilt cover and like give that sumptuous film. So there are some top tips from Mr. Frank, uh,[inaudible] himself. Uh, I'm looking forward to working with him again next week. I'm super excited for my next guest is the fabulous Kate Savile. Now Kate was one of the joint winners of this year's great garden challenge on Channel Five. It was ads. I'm just a few weeks ago over the summer and I filmed it last summer. I joined them for the last three episodes. I'm doing some builds and they both kindly agreed to, to be interviewed on the podcast. So she gives us loads of interesting tips about garden design and how to get there, the best out of a budget and when designing and building a garden. So this is one half of the winning duo is cake sample. Hope you enjoy. So Kate[inaudible] oh, how you doing? You're right.
Speaker 2:I'm really good. Yeah. Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 3:Oh Nice. All right. So we, we've, we're prerecording this ahead of the show going out the great garden challenge. How do you feel about it going out next?
Speaker 2:Oh Gosh. Do you know what? I, it's been fairly busy up until now just getting into normal gardening, wet garden design work. So, um, it's only really now that I've started to think, oh gosh, it's gonna bring up all the memories. So now I asked you I think, um, but really excited to see the code.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Cause I, I, it was interesting cause I, I only heard that it was going to be on, cause I heard a Nicki Chapman do an interview on Graham Norton show this weekend. And I was like, Oh my God, that actually started to put the signs, it says skis you out. She said, uh, beginning of July. So literally the beginning of next month. So we have protocol
Speaker 2:soon isn't it? It's literally a couple of weeks. Yeah, I know it was myself. So like sort of been pastoring them, try to find a day and they've obviously been trying to keep it hush hush. Yeah. Um, and I just saw it tweet with the Nikki Chapman and um, um, it and um, Carol, Amal, I just thought, oh exciting. So, um, yeah, just can't wait to hear more.
Speaker 3:So how did you get involved in the show?
Speaker 2:Um, well I just got a phone call from Tamara and my fellow designer and um, she said Stephen g taking part in a TV competition. Some thinks a friend or a colleague of hers sort of sent on this email. Uh, she said, this sounds really fun. Do you fancy it? Um, and we've worked together before on various projects, including Chelsea show gardens, and we just thought it would be the perfect opportunity to sort of showcase what we did again. And we love working together. So, um, and we, we do like the pressure. Yeah. Uh, so we feel it'd be like perfect for us really.
Speaker 3:I get, yeah, it didn't. Okay. No. Well, but obviously this is going to go after everyone knows that you've won, but you won. That was amazing.
Speaker 2:Oh God. Do you know what that you remember that day for anyone? It was the worst weather. Just feel nice just building the finish garden at the end. It was a relief in itself rather than actually winning, which I didn't see coming after. Um, so yeah, I was relieved and surprised and amazed. They even got finished.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well we, it was interesting cause I worked on, uh, three of the guards I got brought in towards the end of this area. So I did, I'm the last of the heats and then I did the, uh, semi-finals and the finals and, and, and even, I think even Nikki Chapman commented this on the Graham Norton show, how the weather will be an amazing, and then literally on the final, he handed it down and w and I w I think I was building shelters for everybody at one point.
Speaker 2:I know it was just, Oh my God. And everyone faces, they were working so hard that you just, because it was just like,
Speaker 3:but even in yeah,
Speaker 2:wound. And I felt so for everyone.
Speaker 3:But even in the rain, I've got to say your garden looks stunning like you did because the first, the first time I saw your gardens was, and the one that we did for the walled garden, I think it was at the hospital. And it is, and just your, your planting. I've worked on lots of gun shows. I do lots of black heritage marsh and I do the Charlie Demmett wine and I've done autistic guy. So I've worked around a lot of gum, not a garden on my land. I'm a carpenter. I get see a lot of gardens and it was just stunning. It was like it had always been there. And I, is that what your style is? Is that the kind of thing that you[inaudible]
Speaker 2:I think so. I think, um, you know, we don't go massively be big on structures or sort of, you know, really hard landscape heavy gardens. So last is, is creating atmosphere, this commenting. So actually choosing the right, um, to pursue problems going into the new gods. And you know, if you really spent some money on some lovely ritual trees or sort of semi mature shrubs, you get that instant impact, um, in the garden rather than having to wait 10 years. Um, so that is what, you know, the planting really is something key to us that we loved doing. We both loved plants. Um, and, and that's something we really get a real buzz from that I, I'd say. Yeah, that's the thing that brings tomorrow night to get there is I love, um,
Speaker 3:yeah, cause I obviously I've looked through your website, which is stunning by the way. I mean for anyone who wants to look@katesavile.co. Dot. UK and I look what are your, um, one of your tags is planting style is planting with plants. And it's such a simple thing to say, but it's so true for you, for you, for your work.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And um, so I studied finite union. I was always very much about cultural painter. Um, and I feel like that has just sort of crept through my career but in a different sort of guys. Um, so I literally use my plants as my color Palette. Say if I'm crazy or painting, then I'd like to use the whole color scheme, the garden to sort of your wife, where your eye around through the schemes you use it. It's kind of reference reference points. Um, and it's, it's just something that makes me really happy as color. So I love to use it.
Speaker 3:Uh Huh. Yeah, cause that that particular one, like I said before, the walled garden, it was so grassy and, and willow in it. Like I said, it looked like it'd been there forever if you had. Um, obviously there's always budgets involved, whether you're doing a Chelsea flower show and you've got and you know, it's huge pots of money or your, you know, a home garden and you're, you're a bit limited in cash, where would, where would you spend, uh, where would you tell your clients to spend the most cash?
Speaker 2:That's a very good question and kind of depends what you're working with. Say if you've got a garden with fairly good bones for landscaping and really, you know, you could have best good money in a nice semi-mature Trejo I'm harming back to that again, but I'm getting the heightening structure into the garden. I'd say investing some money, good trees. It really does make a difference. Yes, it can be a bit annoying trying to get seven until trees. Terrorists,
Speaker 3:oh my God. In Bristol especially.
Speaker 2:Um, I'd have to say just spending a little bit more money on some better plans really does make a difference. Um, but saying that again, you know, just subtle offers all the great garden challenge. We actually just sort of spent money on some set details and it was literally just the border of path. But that was why we spent the most money on very little detail and actually benefit as well. Make the go really special as well. Um, you know, you don't have to spend loads of money on paving or if you spend money on someone doing it correctly then actually that you'll get a good finish from something that doesn't have to cost the earth.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, absolutely. Um, so when a lot of my listeners will be nervous about hiring a garden designer, so, um, just cause again, people don't know costs people, I'm not saying you have to say how much you cost, but like what's, what's the process if someone comes to you, what process will they go through to get final garden? And I'm just trying to demystify the whole usage of you cause that's cause I see the benefit in using a garden is I see the benefit in using interior designer, but I know that people who've never used these, these, um, trades, it's really hard for them to quantify, quantify it and use it. So just tell me the process
Speaker 2:a, so yeah, it can be quite scary. And also if there's like a big market for lots of different designers and they offer lots of different services. Um, you know, myself, I do sort of garden design and then a bit of maintenance that my, my main side of my business, just the garden design. Um, so, and then I go on to look after clients gardens if they wouldn't be cheap. Um, I'm not necessarily a gardener. I look after the, um, the projects that I have, um, designed, built and daunted. Um, so you can use those. Either you can go for someone like me who's just a garden signer or you can go the set. There's someone that does garden design and garden build service. And that basically means they do the whole lot. Um, sometimes that means maybe they don't have as much experience with the pilot knowledge. Um, then maybe someone that spends the whole life in a garden, say a Gardner. Yeah. Um, so it really, it really sort of, there's lots of different options and then there is your landscape at the up end of it that would just build the garden. Um, so for me, I work, uh, generally I work, if I get an inquiry, I like to bring up my, you know, the possible client and actually talk. So before I've even gotten to meet them, I'd have a little telephone conversation about what they're actually looking for and trying to pick apart what services I can actually offer them. Um, and then yeah,
Speaker 3:so like what is this not this state. It's very much not a way or one size fits all. You really kind of work out what they're saying.
Speaker 2:Absolutely need to pick apart what they cause. Quite often sometimes they don't really know, can't they go living? It's gray and ugly and boring. I just don't know what to do. And so sometimes you have to be a bit of an investigator and find out really what it is that's making the, not like the garden and what they're really looking for. So I actually find that, that that initial telephone conversation takes apart a lot of the, you know, cause I, I've made a mistake before where you go and actually they just looking for building ties yet the guards and then they do the whole service. That's absolutely fine. But I would really say my services for someone that's looking to change and develop their got and, um, through the food, hard landscaping and choosing really the right materials, the right aspects, and then likewise the right plant in the right place. Cause we can all plan the clump. But it's the, it actually growing in living and being the rights from, um, is you say you wouldn't want to[inaudible] think like a lab into, in a really, really shaved dog and it's just gonna die.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And it's, it's really interesting working on all the, on the garden shows and things I didn't really think about is obviously some, some of these make-over shows they over plant. So they've got to get that instant reaction cause the, you know, the, the homeowner comes out, you know, onto my show, they come out like open their eyes and you want the wild factor and everything he needs to look like it's finished. But in realistic terms, I've seen like people like yourself, you know, home gardens, you get to, and actually there's probably a third of those plans are, shouldn't be in that, you know, and the reveal garden because the, the garden has to mature, has to. Yeah. And you know, there's too many plants in there sometimes.
Speaker 2:Definitely. And I think, yeah, that's a very hard balance yet. And I think smarter than I am, we've had that experience with show gardens where you've got to make the garden look like it's a finished garden. Yeah. But like Christ, you know, if you're planting a blank canvas and it's going to look really bad, um, for say five days, so you might want to overstuff something called renewals, which is the like soft, fluffy planting, um, just for a few days to give yourself some color impacts. You're not looking at there and show your shrubs are sort of[inaudible] on the tour. So there is, um, there is sort of, you can do what the television programs done, but you could instead of, uh, over stuffing with perennials, you could use annuals, which basically means after the years finish to take them all up and then he start again next year. So, um, it's this, it's finding the balance and then often that comes down to the budget.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Wait, g which is really important, but yeah, I think it's quite, um, it can be quite deceiving when, ah, these gardens on[inaudible], so the book overstuffed and, um, super proceeded. Yeah. You have, you've got to think about sort of seasonality of what the garden's gonna look like throughout the whole year. Well, but then just that sort of snapshot in time.
Speaker 3:No, absolutely. And that's the whole seasonality thing again is something I learned. We do. You remember Thea who was our garden producer on the show. Lovely. Then she, yeah, she is absolutely amazing. And um, I remember just when we, we'd be planting some borders and things, her job was to make sure that, yeah, it looks good now, but you know, she's, you know, cause we always film in the summer, she says if we're not careful you can do a gorgeous board. And then in two months time the whole board was dying. There's nothing to sustain it through the winter. So she's very conscious of going, okay, there needs to be more than just pretty plants for this month. It needs to, you know, an ecosystem. This is my late flowers and early flowering. So you know, for winter. So how important is that when you're with your garden design?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. And that's key really. When you're employing a gun, they take that stress away from you. So they, you know, any good gun designer basically create a planting pan, which is another service that's part of the package. And they can basically create a scheme that will give you flower every month and basically mature and developed throughout the years. You've always got something interesting to look at, something that's new and exciting that's coming up and then, well, something's going over. You've got that sort of flow throughout the year with the new pumps coming through and that that could be actually just the seed heads at the very end of the year. Um, instead of chopping everything that keeping some of that sort of, um, the decay plants can look quite beautiful in, you know, when we've got a frosty mornings and you've got the seed, had some plants, um, that can look equally as beautiful and it's just having that dice and, um, of what to do. And that's what you'll get from a garden designer.
Speaker 3:That's a great service. I've never thought of that. So you potentially could have a garden that's already hard landscapes, everything's there, but you could come in and create, you know, and all year round and planting plan as it were. And so the homeowners know what to look out for, what's coming through. And you plant your bulbs and all the different things in there. So they've got something of interest throughout the year.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Yeah, that's, and that's sort of a, you know, garden design tends to do, um, opposite consultation and then the next stage would be to create a design. Then the next stage normally is to do a planting plan and then the next stages normally construction. So, but you can pick and choose, like you say. So if you just want the planting plan, then that's just one part of the service. And obviously you can save money there. So, um, you're quite right and it's just being able to choose what you want from someone really
Speaker 3:well. Brilliant idea. Um, just, uh, I've mentioned this before in the podcast. Like I'm, I'm quite good at, I think I'm quite good at the carpentry and the heart. Yeah. You pay
Speaker 2:Molly's lovely, lovely.
Speaker 3:Oh, the only other, all the other carpenters were happy. I got that job. 100 squares or 2000 squares. I think I could, there's a, uh, some of the planting that I've done over the years. I remember buying a book, which was a bleeding heart from a garden show and every dies down in the winter. But then every spring it comes up and every year it sparks joy. How can I go? Oh my God, I didn't kill it. It's still alive and it looks beautiful. What plant or what plant memory do you have that has an emotional memory to you? What do you think?
Speaker 2:Oh goes, yeah, that's, um, it's a tricky one actually. It's, I'm not stealing your plump family, but I do remember popping as the bleeding hearts when I was at little go in my mom's guards and, but probably it'd be happy to be my mom's roses cause quite classically we used to pick all the petals off, put them in a jar or to create posters. I have to say mum used to have some beautiful roses in her garden and I was very lucky to grow up in the countryside in Cornwall. So I was sort of surrounded by countryside and planting. Um, so it's obviously rubbed off. Yes.
Speaker 3:And who, um, who's you at the moment? Garden?
Speaker 2:Oh Gosh, that's a tricky question. I taught say an x, again, it's down the piloting route. Um, so a flat price is just an absolute genius, um, at panting and she's got this very soft naturalistic feel. So, um, she creates these beautiful, um, really big and juicy planting schemes that are almost meadow like and you've got all your jewel like planting, drifting through and it kind of creates a big tapestry in front of it. But I as a designer as well as the young female Sinus, she's just absolutely fantastic and I love her work. Um, so I always[inaudible] what's her name again? She's got Sarah Price
Speaker 3:Price. I'll definitely look for, it's interesting cause you, you said that whole tapestry and like a like a a meadow and instead I was looking on your website and there's just a simple, you've got a like a wall with three pipes coming out waterfall and just the background of it is like a tapestry of everything in thinking that it looked like a, like a climbing wall. It was.
Speaker 2:Oh thank you. Yeah. Do you know what? That would make a great time. That would be fun.
Speaker 3:Finally, obviously this is going out now, the shows show love ad you will have been crowned the winners. What are you hoping is going to come from you being crowned the women?
Speaker 2:Okay, gosh, do you know what we a, I was actually having conversations, how, you know, what, what, what are our next steps and just what our hopes and ambitions is. But um, you know, we just want to continue what we're doing. We'd love to do another show garden. We'd actually love to do one, maybe sort of international garden. So I know that the Singapore flower shows has a fantastic motto. Um, if you need a cart in time, I'll come along and I can travel. Yeah, yeah. Billy might recognize a bed, but yes. Yeah. I think we just, you know, we just want to keep doing what we're doing. Um, you know, we really enjoyed doing the tele work. It's really fun. You obviously enjoy it, keep doing it. So we just loved the atmosphere, kind of. There's that, that buzzed around trying to create a garden in two days. I'm not saying two days is an easy thing to do, but it's, um, it's definitely fun. And you just sort of, you focus my on, you've got that challenge. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Cause it, yeah, cause I was just saying, I, I interviewed Alan Gardner, the autistic gardener, and he really, he's amazing. And he's done some, um, Chelsea flower shows. And he was just saying it is that thing. It's like a runway you're running down there and there's a moment at the sweet spot where you just have to let it go and it's done. And then you get, yeah,
Speaker 2:absolutely. Yes. We enjoy. And we had a few
Speaker 3:of those on the go, on the competition, you know, on the great garden challenge where like down tools. Let's just have a drink, say to that garden. No,
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, you can, you can continue. Um, and there's just a point by you, like you've done enough step away from it. And, uh, that moment in time, you probably in the first day you think, oh my God, we're never gonna get this. And then when you do, it's just that feeling of relief and um, share elation of just getting it finished.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well I think, you know, we at the end of the, when we were at the Wisley final and Carol's there in tears before she announces who the winner is.
Speaker 2:Sweet. Maybe she just didn't say, just lovely to see that cause she obviously cares.
Speaker 3:Yes. That and they cared just as much as we did. And you know, we, we all sat around with a beer in hand and went in to see you won. And we were just so pleased and I know I didn't get to finally get to bill for you. There's a moment where I nearly got to do it for you, but, um, I, it didn't work out, but we wait,
Speaker 2:we bet you we got to admire your work from afar anyway, so yeah, we'll definitely, we'll be giving you a call if we get any. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, please do, please. Okay. It's been an absolute joy. So how do, um, if the people want to look your upon line or get in touch with you on social media, what are your handles and how should people get in touch with you?
Speaker 2:Yes, so I mainly use my Instagram account because I am a creative and I find spicing really hard. So pictures works really well for me. Um, and that, so I'm um, Kate, Kate Sapele or one word, sorry, under school landscapes on Instagram. Um, I think my Facebook account is at Kate Sappho landscapes and my uh, twists twister, which is very boring for me. Yeah, go to Instagram. Um, my what? What's that? That's act hates apples. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they can catch you on your website, Kate Savile. Dot Co. Dot. UK. He's been an absolute joy. Now enjoy the fruits of your labor and a income. Congratulations again.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you so much, wade has been fantastic and good luck with it all.
Speaker 3:Take care, Darling. Bye. Bye.
Speaker 2:Cheers. Take care. Bye.
Speaker 1:So there we are. That's episode two of the TV Coffee[inaudible] I hope you enjoy the conversation about the wonderful frank working with frank on interior design masters. And giving you some, uh, bedding top tips and speaking to the gorgeous Kate Savile. I think the whole purpose of me speaking to people like her is to demystify that whole idea of getting a garden designer. So hopefully be talking to her will make you realize that actually there are approachable and there's loads of different levels of, of services that they can. I hope you enjoyed the show. Don't forget to like review and subscribe. And as we know, as everybody says, it helps people finders on all of those channels where people download their podcasts. And again, if you have any questions you want to ask me, you can contact me, Wayne Perry on Instagram or Twitter, ask me a question and hopefully I can get them on future episode. And thank you[inaudible] for sponsoring this episode. And don't forget, if you want to get 15% off their online purchases, go to thorn down.co. Dot. UK and once again, thank you for listening to the TV Cup.
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