This week I discuss working with Ju as we tackle student halls on week 4 of 'Interior Design Masters' BBC/Netflix.
I get to chat with the other half of the winning gardening duo Tamara Bridge from C5 'The Great Garden Challenge'. Tamara shares her experience of winning the competition and creating a show garden with perfumer Jo Malone at RHS Chelsea Flower Show.
She also shares some top tips on how to manage a large garden on a budget.
Guest details: www.tamarabridge.co.uk
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This week I discuss working with Ju as we tackle student halls on week 4 of 'Interior Design Masters' BBC/Netflix.
I get to chat with the other half of the winning gardening duo Tamara Bridge from C5 'The Great Garden Challenge'. Tamara shares her experience of winning the competition and creating a show garden with perfumer Jo Malone at RHS Chelsea Flower Show.
She also shares some top tips on how to manage a large garden on a budget.
Guest details: www.tamarabridge.co.uk
Sponsor: To take advantage of the generous 15% discount from my sponsor Thorndown, please visit http://bit.ly/TVCarpenter. Discount code: TVCarpenter
Contact me: Wayne Perrey on Twitter and Instagram.
Music: "What's the Angle" by Shane Ivers
To learn how to achieve a Safe, practical and beautiful home,
join THE DIY DOERS Facebook group
On today's show. I'll be talking about my experience of working with you as we tackle student holes on this week's into design masters and I'll be chatting to tomorrow bridge who's the winner of the great garden challenge for Channel Five
Speaker 2:[inaudible].
Speaker 1:Hello and welcome to the TV cop and tag. My name is Wayne Perry. Now I'm fortunate enough that I've worked in a lot of the major interior design and garden makeover shows, but what that means is I'm introduced some amazing talent, met some amazing garden producers, interior designers and some contestants, some amazing presenters. And the whole point of this podcast is I want to pick their brains. I've mostly get as many of my friends onboard to do interviews and hopefully impart some knowledge over to you guys. So if you like yourself a interior design and god Makos and you want to create your dream home, okay,
Speaker 2:keep listening.[inaudible]
Speaker 1:okay, a huge thank you to my friends at Thorne down paying for sponsoring this episode. I first met the guys about three years ago from phone down when they supplied the paint for garden make over. We were doing on the love your garden show with Alan Titchmarsh. Not only did they supply the paint that came down with paintbrush in hand too to help us out and show is how amazing this pain is. Now I've used this paint in my own garden. Um, what I love about them is that eco credentials, so water-based eco paint, which means the ingredients are as gentle to the environment as possible is nontoxic. So it's great to be around the kids and the animals and also it's really, really easy to use. It's a self priming pain, which means you need to do minimal preparation. I used it on my decking, I watered it down because it's a water based paint. You can thin it out so you can use it as a stain. But I also used em on some metal sculptures. I, I painted terracotta pots with it and you can use it inside and outside. And also you could paint your upvc windows if you want to do that. The color range is really on trend, but also they've got some great heritage colors in there. So if you want little bit more information about them, check them out@thorndownat.co. Dot. UK. How are we enjoying interior design masters? It's week four. What's really interesting, I'm getting lots of phone calls from friends who are watching the show and obviously we don't say who's going through or whatever. And also, you know, I don't want to do that cause it, it ruins the fun for it. So almost the fact that I know who goes in and stays kind of ruins when I'm watching it, cause I know what's going to happen. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't share. Um, but this week I got to work with zoo shoe is so, so lovely. And what was really funny is the first time I met you was when we were working at the chocolate hotel and she, she was being a bit funny with me. She kind of first like, yeah, we've kind of not avoided to mean to do it, just something not quite right. And then eventually she came over and uh, she says, I'm a little bit shy. And she says, I've kind of been watching you on interior on the great interior design challenge years ago, and kind of recognized you. And now she says, I've got a little bit nervous about meeting you, which I thought it was quite sweet. And then she said that the only reason she's on the show is because of me. And I was like, well, I've never, I've never, I've never met you. And how is that? She says, well, she followed me on social media and she'd watched a, seeing the advert that I'd put out for the interior design masters application for the show. And she said that day, the morning she'd been creating something with our business and thought, how can I get to meet more people? How can I become more relevant, you know, give me a signed kind of thing. And then literally she turned on a phone and saw my Instagram post about this new show that's auditioning, that's, you know, looking for contestants. And she says, do you know what? I'm going to do it. So she says, because of my posts that she saw made her apply for the show and then she ended up being on the show. So that was quite sweet to think that I had a subliminally, if that's the word, had a little hand in, in getting on the show. But anyway, I got to work with her and she is so, so lovely and she's bonkers. She's crazy. She cries a lot. But she cries when she's happy and she cries when she sad. And what was really lovely is when you know doing this episode, the student halls, the judge, obviously Sophie Robinson who's known for color and you as you've seen in all her past episodes is full on color, like color clashing book, flower, floral. She is a Sophie Robinson and stream. And then literally with a day's notice, she this, she arrived and went, nope, my colors aren't going to work in here. And she totally flipped it. She totally changed the colors and went dark. And I was like going, what you do in your, you are miss color and the judge is ms color and you've gone dark and no, it just doesn't work. This room isn't going to work and I don't want to be seen as a one trick pony. And with the, literally she went out that morning and bought new colors, which I thought was absolutely amazing of her, really brave and kind of showed her her interior design skills, which were, were amazing. The student halls are really, really challenging for, for lots of reasons. We l all the materials in their rooms have to be fire retardant. So a lot of people chose to use birch ply, which is quite trendy. Um, totally. You apply, sorry, not burst by burst pipes. Really expensive. So they use ply. But then it had been um, treated, had been painted with a fire retardant, um, solution that obviously stops it from burning. But what that does is you can't stay in it. You can't paint it, you can't do anything with it. We were lucky that we didn't have that much birch applying ours, but for some, some of them people like Nikki or Kyle, him, they were sanding it for days. And if you, if you put any paint on it, it would just bubble up. So you had to um, like color block it, stained block it first before painting it. And it proved really tricky for everybody on this episode, which was a shame. Um, so everyone had a lot of hassles with their, with their birch by with when the materials on it. But I really liked what you had done in her, in her room. She bought some ICU units and then I built a frame around them for the bed and she put some really interesting handles on there. So she made them quite modern. And then she used, uh, the magnetic blackboard paint. Now, in the past I've used this on other shows and it has never worked with being totally honest. It, you know, you say you need to do two, three coats and if it doesn't work. Um, so when we were chatting about this, I was like, you really need to go to town on this. You need to put like 20, 30 coats for it to work. And to her credit, she did. So she spent the whole day painting these blackboard metallic metal paint on the wall. It's got loads of little metal fibers in there, so you have to keep stirring it or there's the metal fighters, Xing shavings go to the bottom. Um, and, and it worked. To her credit, the room looked amazing and what's really nice is all the worry that we had about Sophie Robinson, maybe not liking it. This was dark. She actually thought it was one of the best rooms. So it was really, really pleased for Ju, uh, to get through such a shame that Jerome left, which was quite shocking really, because everyone was up against it. And Duran was dressing his room by end of day one. He was so ahead of schedule. He was, he was nearly finished, but maybe he over styled the rooms. I think that that would be the feedback that he got, that it was two, two shot ball again, which was very similar to his first episode, but I hope you're enjoying the show. I hope you're enjoying seeing their progression and seeing how the contestants are all developing and if you probably know, if they're all a little bit more relaxed now they're all getting into the swing of things, but it's been, it's been fun. Um, doing the Sharon, it's fun to see it unfolding in front of everybody's eyes. If you listen to the podcast couple of weeks ago, you'll have heard my interview with Kate Savile. Kate Savile was one of the winners of the Great Garden Challenge, which was the shy worked on on channel five. Now I've pleased to say that this next interview is with tomorrow bridge. Now tomorrow bridge was also the winner of that competition because it was a GPO. So have now brought you the, the second person who was there, the joint winner of that show. She also in this interview, she's really lovely and she's an arborist who tells us all what that entails. But also she tells us about her experience of working with Joe Malone, the fragrance lady when her and Kate designed a garden, the Chelsea flower show. And also she gives us some top tips about how to manage your garden if it's a particularly large and had to quit
Speaker 3:impact on a budget.
Speaker 2:[inaudible]
Speaker 3:hey tomorrow grades. Thank you so much for chatting to me today. How are you doing? I'm good, I'm good. We met, um, uh, obviously last summer while we were filming their great garden challenge. And this is going to go out after the show has been ad, but we're recording this before it's been ad and you're the winner. How does that feel?
Speaker 4:It was amazing. It still feels a bit surreal to be honest. But um, I think that's just because it's such a bad project.
Speaker 3:It was such a, a long time ago as well. But um, so how would I spell, I've already spoke to Kay and she said that you contacted her about being in, cause you had to be in partnership, pay a pair. So how did you hear about the show?
Speaker 4:So it's some of those weird things. I was walking the dog and, um, got an email three I say just sort of sifting through stuff and when I was looking I thought she finds it interesting and they sort of emailed the what, who they were looking for and Kate and I had sort of been busy earlier this spring and for sort of, you know, I don't know, it's just nice to have another creative project to do. Um, and it's just a good escape. And um, so I actually really excitedly emails her back. I'm like, okay, this sounds very fun. What's your backend? Um, but it all, it all have we very quickly after that you sort of do your interviews and send in all your, your portfolio and stuff and um, and then before you know it, you're actually still planning the first, uh, garden. So no time to worry.
Speaker 3:No, no, cause I, I I think is it, is it five episodes in total? Do you know?
Speaker 4:I think it's says
Speaker 3:six. Yeah. Cause I joined, I joined halfway through, so I joined the last of the light heats as it were. Then the semifinal and the final. So I got to meet you like the semifinal and your, your gardens are stunning. And I told you that way. Even when I was there, I was just like, it was as if it had always been there.
Speaker 4:Thank you. And I think for us as well, it was so nice to be working at a different time of year. Quite often when we're doing the thing with doing it in the spring and everything, everything's quite fresh and quite quick. But actually doing it in new autism a was it a challenge because you've got to sort of make it all look, you know, equally as exciting. But Gosh, the cut is different. The light is different. You know, obviously plants are doing a different thing.
Speaker 3:Um, but uh, w you trained a, been looking through your website, which is beautiful by the way. Um, tomorrow, bridge.co. Dot. UK. Um, and it says you started in, in 2013 designing gardens, but you trained as a, an arborist and a horticulturalist. Now I'm going to be totally honest, I don't know what an arborist states. So what from Alberta,
Speaker 4:an arborist is somebody that would look after the health and wellbeing trees and that sort of consistent and lots of things. So it's not just what people would probably recognize as tree surgery, but also, you know, sort of the ecology, the science behind it and um, and sort of, there's lot of houses they should reports and things like that. So it's quite, it's quite an interesting topic. Um, but we've spent the first year it's called this sort of learning how say a bull or culture before we do better get on with the rest of it. Um, and it is a bit of a mouthful, but I said today sort of like horticulture, but on a bigger scale,
Speaker 3:I, I was there when in the final, particularly when all the plants would arrive and the amount of trees that arrived for your final garden will was insane. So you're naturally drawn towards the bigger kind of plans and things and trees.
Speaker 4:I, yeah, Kate often half the battle with me as the[inaudible], but I just want the biggest one that always fed, so that great that she is bad. But these ones were just stunning. And I think trees give you that sense of atmosphere, scale and Kosha that's fantastic for wildlife. And they really bring a garden alive. So to do a God without certainly these sort of um, installation gardens, all the gardens that we, we were doing at Norridge green while you were in the park. I think you need that. But I'm calm everything down and give yourself a starting point for the rest of the garden. Then lead from. But also they're a great way of creating journeys through, so certainly in the last guys we did, they were there to kind of look for you. So you had to go around them frame views so that they creatives sort of almost like, you know, viewpoints three, the 30 useful, multifunctional things to have in a space.[inaudible] things. You guys are cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Especially like an instant drama. So you as well, you're not having to do so much hard landscaping using that. The trees themselves to do the hard landscaping.
Speaker 4:This is it. You know, essentially what I'm saying is I'm lazy. God, I have to build a purpose. It's not about self preservation, let's say, you know, you can put branches up today. What time is that? That you know, fairly lights up there. It's the, the just, if you can do nothing else in your garden, planting a tree will, will bring you a huge reward.
Speaker 3:Definitely. So you, um, you did a Chelsea flower show for the BBC too in 2017 it was the Joe Wiley scent garden. How did that come about?
Speaker 4:That's an interesting one because I'm essentially Kate and I, when we finished young, siloed and thought let team, but it was essentially because we wanted pay con Chelsea and, and sort of do a shared garden at the show. And so we spent the, some of the four descent garden, which would have been 2016 putting together an application for me now can you, which interested me to get accepted. So that was really good.
Speaker 3:Amazing. That's really hard to get accepted. Oh,
Speaker 4:I know. It's just one of those things. So we wanted to show the just, you know, this is what we want to offer. Um, and they were really excited by it. But ultimately you do need sponsorship, which didn't come through. But I think, you know, if you put yourself out there, you know, it rewards you. And so because of design was there, we were talking with the team when they wanted to do these five gardens, you know, we were fresh in their heads and they knew what we could do and they said, girls, come on, we want, we want you to do this garden now. So they just a bit too phoned for part of the blue. They got on the train and, and um, I'm just basically off the day, you know, like that. And um, I said, would you, would you still be interested? And the squeal that came through. Okay. But I told Jeff the whole truck heritage and in fact that they would take quick[inaudible]
Speaker 3:go on. Sorry.
Speaker 4:Oh, I was just going to say, it's just like from that phone call to actually being on site with about eight weeks. So it was crazy. I mean, I, I think, um, we just basically dropped everything and just did that for eight weeks. Yeah. Um, but what a way to make a debut.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah. Well it becomes your life. Cause I, I interviewed Alan Gardner, um, the autistic garden and have worked with before in various shows and he's done quite a few, um, shows on that main avenue of my old, I think in 2015 his last one was, and he was just saying that the logistics, it's like a year in planning and to get the sponsorship, everything has to be signed off before you even start. And then, you know, it is, you know, like the lead up to, so for youth guys only have eight weeks to, you know, to be give given it. But like, um, I'm just interested the whole, because obviously it was a, a Joe wildly sent gun, so Joe Wila was the presenter, the BBC too. But so and so was she involved. But then you also had Jo Malone, the, the fragrance lady that they, um, my wife loves her products. And so how much was she involved then? I'm interested to know how and how the two Joe's were, were involved really
Speaker 4:today. I know lucky are j Malone was fantastic and actually really important in all design refinement almost. Cause we knew what we wanted the God to look like, but we hadn't quite got there, you know, this is 24 hours. Um, and um, we went to go meet her and her peaceful, um, shop in Elizabeth Street in London[inaudible] and um, got to know her. She talks about her way of designing her fragrances, what got her going, you know, the, the uh, inspiration behind her fragrances. And it was really interesting talking to her because she really explained the link between scent and our memories and, and really understood how that works and said that she, you know, said that the only sentence that looked into your memory. So that's why when you smell something it can take you straight back to when you were a child. It's got that sort of powerful effect. And for us that was the length. We were like, wow, this is definitely joining all the dots. Yeah. And so for us that was brilliant. And then Jay White, it was just a treat I adored going round. The nurse do with us looking at all the plants and got stuck and as you wanted to, you know, I think if she wasn't dragged away by her teeth, he would help to start the whole thing. So for us it was really lucky and I'm really excited[inaudible] people
Speaker 3:that sense memory, that scent memory for me is highest sense. Remind me of my Nana that they just take me right back. That whole palm of violet. What, what sense? What memory do you have? What, Oh, what flower does that for you?
Speaker 4:So the same God, that itself was essentially constructed out of Peyton. I've sent memories and I very much had memories of riding my bike really fast. You could Lynch[inaudible] through the puddles and you get that kind of earthy smell and those say sort of just cut flowers in the garden. My grandmother was always grabbing things in her garden and vegetables and, and roses and all those sorts of wonderful things. Take me straight back and reminds me very much as her and Kate, um, was walking back from college with all of the art material and things, you know, and it's the rain on hot concrete as she's walking back struggling with all the stuff that the high visibility so on to hence we, you know, we've got the concrete in there, we had the woodland and got the um, sort of cuffed our garden at the, at the back. So I think once you start talking about it to people, what's interesting is once they understand what you mean, everyone's got one. Everyone. Unfortunately for me, my strongest one is a funny Cam teeny spell that reminds me of the rest all for school. The, when I said that, no guidance,
Speaker 3:we got[inaudible]
Speaker 4:but it's quite acute. Yeah. Have a bit of tea. I think that you can transform west of the ears simply by offering that scent.
Speaker 3:Yeah. When, um, I was looking through your portfolio on your website and your garden style is very natural and it's very like, it's almost always been there. And so is, is that the kind of style that you naturally lean to or can you do formal gardens?
Speaker 4:Um, I can definitely do formal gardens in the sense that I think a lot of my, um, training started in a formal garden. So by Osmosis almost you sort of absorb that style of planning. Um, and I think to get away with having quite a naturalistic planting Holly and, and, and the way you put talks together almost needs quite storm structure in the first day, but it's almost just tweaking that softness in the planting. If suddenly you had a more traditional way of setting out the trials, I think you'd find it looks at the garden by two are quite formal in their nature. Um, but I, I enjoyed both. I think instinct, I plan naturalistically so I can do that without having to think. That's almost me just running on, on what I'm enjoying at the time or what the space needs. Whereas formal planting I think takes more, almost more than, uh, what's the word? Um, you have to be strong with yourself in the decisions you make. Have to be more humble, more determined because that's the only thing that's going to be there. So yeah.
Speaker 3:And if someone was coming to, on your website, obviously you offer garden design and if, so if I was applying, coming to you, finding you and your website, what would be the process or what do you offer for somebody? Um, cause I've always, I think again, I'm trying to, and try to demystify that whole idea of using a garden designer. So I've worked on so many gardens shows and I realized how important it is if you can afford it. And if you can batch, just want to demystify the idea. If someone rings you up and say, look, I've got a garden. What, you know, w w where do you begin with the process?
Speaker 4:Absolutely. I think that definitely the case that, I know it's a simpler comparison, but I've just started having a lovely cleaner come back to my house and the up until now I'd be terrified. The whole process.
Speaker 3:Uh Huh.
Speaker 4:Transformed my life. I think my husband, I said it before, so I can imagine this similar things like God, diners and Tevin Diners and essentially the first point of call is just that first conversation of working out water is that they feel that they need, and for me, my practice is very flexible so I can offer something as simple as a plant in Lyft and I will come out and place the class for the metaphor water they already have. Um, and therefore it's quite accessible to a lot of people that might feel the garb the diner is too much of a luxury for them right up to full blown, you know, garden design where we go through a sort of essentially a topographical survey or I could do it myself if it's a small enough space, which basically means I know where all the boundaries are, where all the trees are, where all the heights at the ground levels are. It's like my base class.
Speaker 3:Oh, like a site surveys that, is that like a site?
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly. Yeah, definitely. Because without that I've only got ideas. Yeah. Make it actually functional. I need to know with that it all fit. Um, and then we just take all of the ideas they might have, all the things they like and that might not be God related. So they might really love painting in the house or color or fabric, you know, so don't be daunted by not really knowing necessarily much about God and if you, if you really haven't had a god before, but equally if people might have a particular flower they like or client they like or Plat they hate, you know, and sometimes what people don't like and more it's more helpful to me. Yes, we kind of put that all in for mixing pots as it were. And then my job is to make sense of it. So I make it work in reality in that space that they have fit the maintenance regimes that they want my codons generally off, but be high maintenance simply because of the amount of plants that rhythm. Um, and then it essentially, it's just a process of putting all on paper so that it can then be built. So design paperwork is simply a tool to make sure that goes and gets built. You know, we can have visuals to help you imagine what that's gonna look like. So it's quite fun. It's quite a fun process once you get going and once you get past that initial phone call, I think,
Speaker 3:I think it's that, again, it's the, it's just that doing that thing for the first time isn't it? And just, I'm just realizing at any point you can say, you know, okay, it's not working or it's not for me or Ashley, I just want you to do the beds or I want you to do the full cause of what I feel is when I get priced jobs for carpentry. They're always nervous about getting somebody in. It's going to cost a fortune. And half the time I talked myself out of jobs because I go, do you know what? You want me to create that, but you're not actually going to gain anything from that there. And, and you know, and I talked to them like a human being and kind of just, Oh I see the, this will be more beneficial for you, the money and the time that it'll take to create, you know, having that under[inaudible] storage isn't going to help you there because you've got a meter there. And then in the end they end up trusting me that much that then they don't go with that. But then I end up doing both wardrobes and everything else, then we go to the part of the house cause they, they realize it's not as as daunting woods once you've started. Um, that the process. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 4:having the expertise to sort of just chat through your ideas. Sometimes all people need is the sounding board as well to go, okay, let's do this together rather than on my own.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Oh No, absolutely. Absolutely. And just having a benchmark of how much things cost and things. I was interesting. I live in London and the gardens in London generally are really small. Everyone's, you know, got a little postage stamp of a garden or try and cram things in. But then I went to see my parents who live in Leeds and live in this beautiful farm house. And that garden is quite rambling and that usually, cause I knew I was speaking to you, I want to speak to you more about the larger garden. So if you had a huge guide, which also is really daunting, but you haven't gotten a lot of money and you like the whole meadow look on a budget, what kind of plants would you put into that that could, that could give you that kind of lush feel but without to spend an absolute fortune and over planted?
Speaker 4:Well, I think, um, if you're sort of going with the idea that we're in a big garden and it's sort of, you know, meadowy type look around you, then again, we were straight back to trees and use trees in a way. You can frame views, you can take away the boundaries. They would, I don't always like is seeing a book for the garden. And if you plant trees and shrubs that just sort of stuff in the edges, you can almost imagine that space is gonna continue on. Um, and my biggest trick of all, if I bought this, I'll give them away. My top tip now is um, if I designed the garden and you've got your sort of lawn area, you've got way the piles are going, the boarders, et Cetera, etc. Yeah. Sometimes you can't always do it all in one go. And so what we did is in market all out and then you simply cut the grass and you allow some bits to stay short and then other areas to stay long. So where you've got your ideas for where you want your boarders, the glass is longer and sometimes that's all you need. If you then start planting confidence that long grass, the roses, you can have some wonderful millennials that will cope with that. Suddenly you've got this very, very beautiful space that guides the eye around and you can walk around it like a garden. It really does work. But what we've had to do is mark out cut the grass. It's free.
Speaker 3:Oh I know. Damn. Cause I think we're so conditioned to go, well you can't have grass there. You've got to be able to take that out of the borders. But you know, if grass inhabits any of your boards is, it's almost like is he invaded and he's, we did it. But actually if you use that as has some kind of sculptural class of graphs, then that, that helps that border to look full.
Speaker 4:Yeah. And it does change from year to year. So if you have a wet year or a hot dry yet, you know, it's going to vary. But same in the garden. I'm looking at my now as I'm set out and it hasn't been all summer. I'm in exactly that fashion. I know where I want my borders. I just haven't had the to get in there and sought to out and um, it just gives me something to look at and look forward to as well rather than just the, uh, kind of blank canvas.
Speaker 3:Okay. So, um, we're nearing the end now and so obviously the show hasn't been out yet. It's about to be aired and you're going to be crowned the winners. What are you hoping to achieve from being crowned the winner? And a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 4:Well I think I haven't really got that phone to be on it, but the exciting thing for us is, you know, it's going to hopefully really help people go, I can do that at home. And so it'd be really, I just, I love that conversation between people then. And um, you often sort of bump into preset shows and they've seen your work or they you if like some of our work has been open to the national guard scape example and then they come back and tell you what they've done. You know, they were like, we've seen what you did there and this is what we've managed to do. Um, but I mean ultimately Kate and I are always looking for the next project to do the next challenge. We, we do like the random projects that this the pop up, um, to do. So we'll just see.
Speaker 3:Well, what's lovely is, you know, I didn't mention it before, but you were royal horticulture, cy young designer of the year in 2015 of the 2019 you're going to be crown the great garden challenge of channel five for the first one of the series, which is gonna be amazing. So, you know, fingers crossed, you know, I, I you dare I say are you putting anything in for Chelsea next year or are you applying for anything? They have got anything in the pipeline,
Speaker 4:um, the night that for next year, we haven't made any plans yet, but that's not to say that, um, something won't happen. It always seems to, but Kate's having a busy year this year getting married and I've just said put it in your pockets up in Norfolk. So at the moment it's almost been a bit of a luxury to focus on getting the office sorted. Um, but that being said, yeah, who knows? I'm getting itchy fingers.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Okay. So tomorrow, Reggie can contact you on your website,[inaudible] dot co that you can use. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure speaking to you tomorrow and again, huge congratulations. You are really where the word that were the winners of the competition. Just your planting is oh is we, it was what I found really interesting is like I say, I didn't get to build for you. Um, I wish I had, but to be fair there wasn't that much believing you didn't just your, we at one point you do try to steal away. But I think it's interesting because there wasn't that much built for me if I'd joined you. You're planting just did most of the work. Um, which is why I think knew the worthy winners. I've never seen anything like it, so huge. Congratulations.
Speaker 4:Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Oh, how lovely was that to speak to tomorrow bridge? So it's a talented, talented lady. Um, I hope you've enjoyed it. My insight into working on episode four of Interior Design Masters and I hope you enjoy my fourth episode and huge thank you once again to my sponsors fallen down paint. And I don't forget if you want your 15% discount on any of their online products, go to Thorn down.co. Dot. UK and put in their code t v Carpenter and receive that 15% discount. Now go away, go plant some trees, let grass grow in your borders. And uh, if you want a blackboard paint, we've lots of metal in it. You need about 2030 coats to make it work. Happy home improvements.
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