THE TV CARPENTER : Home Makeovers with Wayne Perrey

Wayne Chats with Frances Tophill, presenter of ITV "Love your Garden"

October 18, 2019 Wayne Season 1 Episode 10
THE TV CARPENTER : Home Makeovers with Wayne Perrey
Wayne Chats with Frances Tophill, presenter of ITV "Love your Garden"
Show Notes Transcript

This week I discuss creating a garden for Lorraine and her assist dogs on ITV Love Your Garden with Alan Titchmarsh.

I interview Frances Tophill, Horticulturalist and presenter of ITV Love your Garden and Gardening World. We also discuss her new approach to having an allotment.


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Speaker 1:

On today's podcast, I'll be talking about the garden we created for Lorraine and her two dogs on lovier garden. And my guest this week is my good friend Francis topple horticulturalist and presenter of lovier garden. And she gives us all the inside info on her Lockland and the advice that Alan gave her when she first started working on the show. If any of you watch love your garden this week, he will have seen. We built this lovely garden for a lady called Lorraine and her two assist dogs. Now she was in the armed forces and she had an accident when she was quite young, which meant she has continuous pain in her back and she can't physically bend down to even pawn her shoes. And she has these two amazing dogs. One is a therapy dog and the other one is there to assist her. So he literally empties the, um, the washing machine gets things out, he can put on her slippers, the helps her and she wanted a garden that was great for her, uh, accessible for her so that she could walk around the garden without tripping up over anything. But also that the dogs could use because she said if the dogs are happy then she's happy. It was a really tricky build in the fact that we had lots of different cereals. So we had some paving decking. The raised beds were made out of these, they're almost like big breeze blocks and they were really, really heavy and you just glued them together. They clicked together a bit like Lego really and you put no nails glue in between and you sent them. We were all a bit, you show there's no mortar, there's nothing in there but is this amazing system that they used and it looked really special. It almost looked the whole feel of the garden looked almost LA like the way it was planted and the way it looked. It looked really sleek. So she got this beautiful garden. But one of the lovely areas she had was like a low level paddling pool for the dog. She is the dogs love water. And when we we filmed it, did the reveal, literally the dogs jumped straight into the water and the camera crew were loving it. The director was really pleased. So managed to create this, this beautiful pond like area for the dogs as always with these shows, there's so many different elements that they choose to do within the garden and to the big elements that I built you. We weren't even talked about. One of them. We created this coffee table. I'm a huge coffee table and we utilized some of the decking boards that we'd used on the walls and on the seats and on the floor to incorporate it in. And Francis made this an amazing, um, tabletop for it, but it was this huge box that would accommodate all the, the cushions for the, the seating area we created and the dogs could literally bite them and pull them out for her if need be, but they didn't get shown. And also I created a huge bond on, on a slider. I'm on a rail system. So the idea is that the dogs had an area to go to the toilet. Um, and I had to work out how to use this big metal sliding rail system and it worked a treat and they absolutely loved it. It was lovely to make this garden for this lady. She was so giving and does a lot for charity, for the armed forces and, and we, we managed to create a pretty special garden and, and my social media went crazy for it. When I put the pictures online, everybody was like, this is the favorite one. And it had these amazing white arches in there. One of the comedy things was everything had to be accessible for her. She had limited problems with her back. And walking was quite kind of tricky. So we, everything was kind of flush and flat. And then within the last hour they suddenly realize that she still had a big step to get out of her house into the garden. And they were like, well, we need a huge ramp. Why have no one thought about this? So within hours ago, as everyone's running around, clearing off the mud, making sure everything's perfect and spotless, I'm quickly knocking up a ramp that needs to be there so that she can actually get out of the house to look at the garden. But that's the nature of TV. And I always, I always joke on the shows, it's a five day bills and the first day I almost looked like I am doing nothing other than digging holes. There's nothing for me to do. And then on the last, you know, two, three days, it all goes crazy carpentry wise and I'm literally up against it to the last minute. So it was against the wire on this one. But uh, the response and, and her reaction alone was worth it. So if you get chance, check out, love your garden and you can see Lorraine enjoying her garden.

Speaker 2:

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Speaker 3:

Yeah,

Speaker 1:

I'm so fortunate that I get to work on all the amazing interior design and garden make-over shows. And all my friends who I work with on their shows who know about the podcast have all gone. Yes. You know, I'll be involved. Let me know and we'll have a chat. And the first person I managed to interview is Francis topple. She's a horticulturalist and presenter of love your garden. And we had a really lovely chat. She filled me in about her[inaudible] and it being filmed and garden as well. And she also told me the kind of advice that Alan gave her when she first started working on all of your garden nine series ago. So have listened to this and listen to what she had to say.

Speaker 2:

Francis Francis topple. Thank you for agreeing to be on my podcast.

Speaker 4:

Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2:

Oh, it's brilliant. We were work with each other for a few years now on um, um, love your garden and it's now in the 10th series we're filming at the moment.

Speaker 4:

Can't see me. Yeah. Knowing that we were involved with, so Allen did the same by himself at the beginning. Right. And then there is too, um, they come, they've recruited, uh, myself and Casey and David to join him and we might go,

Speaker 2:

I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I, yeah, cause I remember seeing, I remember seeing you guys when you, cause I wasn't involved at the beginning, but remember seeing you guys being on the, on, on, on the show, I was like, who are all these guys? There's four of them, you know? Um, but I, I didn't know that he'd started ahead of time. So they realized they needed more than just Alan to sell the show. Is that what happened?

Speaker 4:

I mean, yeah, I think so. It was sort of, the whole show is completely different, but it was kind of more of a magazine program of Alan going and looking at different kinds of gardens to get study hall for an hour long. And then there's a cousin of little sections and the way he helped somebody, I think that was opponent, but I think I remember being upon and he helped the ones sort of turn my pond into a Japanese poems. And from that point they were like, Oh, this is quite a good thing maybe. And then they decided to completely rethink the whole thing and bring in three other presenters. And it was just a bit mad. And I remember the first years thinking that definitely going to call that Nate because 3% is way too many other presents. Surely I've got, I felt like they were trialing us all out there, would kind of cream off the ones we wanted, but they were all still there.

Speaker 2:

That's, that's insane. So how did you come about hearing about the job? This was your first tele, wasn't it?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I was a student. I was up in Edinburgh studying at the Botanics and um, they basically spun gold, who make it, send emails to all the books, come to colleges around the country to see if anyone's some seat Troy as a presenter and me and some friends thought it would be fun so we could still go to train to London and, and tried, um, that kind of was that, I remember doing the screen test initially of the night. We all went away going, uh, never wanted to do that though. So hard.

Speaker 2:

Well what I find really like I've worked with you for the last two, maybe three years and, and you guys are so comfortable now, you know, with the way things are thrown at you.[inaudible] are you given scripts, are you told what kind of, what they want you to get get out of or what they want you to say?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I mean we're given, we're given scripts mainly actually so that we can kind of get to know the families cause we often don't meet them before we show them the garden at the end. Um, so then we cut in given the script so we can read the whole story about what this family or this person's country and get an idea of what our areas will be. But I, you know, the reality of what the action be is quite different. Cause sometimes they'll be like, Oh Wayne can you just like threw together like a box. It's going to be a sofa bed out of wood that's going to still all the barbecue and was like okay that wasn't on the script and he just got it. So it's kind of scripted but we cap, we just chat and I think we've all gone through the phase. I mean David was an old pan people presenting to get the Caitlin on both students and are completely brand new. And I think we've both gone through different phases of like starting off thing like okay I can maybe do this and then going through a complete phase of being so embarrassed because your friends are working and then when you're in the garden, it's not to be that crew that the producers that you guys all kind of doing the building. We've all become friends and it is quite embarrassing. That state, again, I see the fact that their friends is kind of cool cause you can never have lost that. How many times they're having to be the same piece over and over or you know, that kind of thing.

Speaker 2:

Did they give you any advice? Like what's the best piece of advice that Alan and David gave you when you guys first started out?

Speaker 4:

Um, Anne always says, be yourself, which I think is really good advice. Yeah. Healers as I feel joining to cultivate something and be something and you're just only thinking and you're gonna come a Cropper where people realize that you'll be attending. Um, but I think other than that, I mean there's another thing about Allen is he's such a pro. Um, he sort of lets you be, you doesn't want to step on anyone's toes. He wants to encourage and always have to come out of our shells and be the best we can be. And to be honest, just sitting and lots of him, I don't know, have you ever done it when like everyone's at lunch or something and[inaudible] doing a thing about an ACO or whatever he might be talking about and you're the only one there and you can just sit and what's him and it's so relaxing and loving to, to listen to him talk about things. Yeah. And just watching that and learning from him is the best educational I possibly could have had at doing presenting. I, I'm pretty lucky.

Speaker 2:

Oh no, absolutely. And um, what I found really lovely as well is, you know, with, there's, there's not really a hierarchy. There isn't a way that certain things, you know, we have a, I've spoken before on the podcast where, you know, there's certain things we know Allen doesn't like, so Allen doesn't like and wind chimes or he doesn't like, you know, there's certain things or you know, but it's all done. Or even we'll create a raised bed and there'll be a saying, well that's not deep enough for Alan. Meaning he cares that much that things have to be done right. Isn't it, but it's never done in a, in a[inaudible] way. It's always done for the good of the show, for the good of the garden, but also I've seen it with you guys when you're planting stuff and you've have, I've seen you throw over to Alan going and would that work with that, but vice versa. He's done it with you sometimes. I saw it on the last garden we worked out. It was like, what do you think about this, Francis, do you think that would go with that? And I love that on the shelf

Speaker 4:

and he doesn't mind not admitting that he doesn't know the client as well. We did that on the last program, but he was just like, yeah, have you ever seen this gone before? And I said, no, I'm not. I made that the thesis but not that one and he's going to take me me back. Oh, interesting. I wonder what, and we Googled it together. It takes a big person to admit, especially when you're such an authority on a subject to have the comments got to go. I actually don't know this. Yeah. Not many people, especially cognitive, sorry, or the God knows, but a lot of Godness is part of your job is you go into a client pass and they go, what this tree on. If you say, Oh, I didn't already know that, you're not going to get that dope because that's what you're judged on. You don't know it. So for a gardener so ingrained to say, Oh, it's either make a Denmark, so Allen to say, I don't know, there is so big, not just what he's like community in terms of kind of the like you think about the deviousness which he doesn't have, he goes, they're really good at kind of biting your corner. If any one of us mean if you have the same thing I've got and say, look Alanon I don't think this has been planned that well. I'm a bit worried that this is going to fall off for that. That's a bit unsafe or whatever it may be. He knows that he's the person who can go to the producers or whatever and say, look, this needs to change and it will and he'll fight your corner as well. In terms of how the garden is

Speaker 2:

now. Absolutely. And we all feel supported by him. But is that thing, like you say, he's not a DV, it's just all collectively he wants everyone to have fun and you know, and get the job done. You know, ultimately a good we've got to get done before daylight hours finish as it's getting worse and worse at the moment as the daylights are drawing in as we're doing these late, late filming shoots.

Speaker 4:

No, I'm fine. Like nice.

Speaker 2:

Oh my God, isn't it? That's insane. It's going to be absolutely, absolutely insane. What do you think that the appeal of, you know, love your garden is, is it, do you think it's the gardening, is it the transformation? Is it the backstory? Like you've been a part of it for nine series now?

Speaker 4:

I think it's a mixture of everything. I hope it makes you of everything. I think that the story is what drives it on, you know, and these, these amazing people. But we build garden store kind of inspire us to keep going. But then also when you're watching the program, they can be really amazing or they can be really joyful. I think that's kind of the thing. But the gardening is the sort of thread that we've all together really. I think it's the real Golden's, you know, we have people ask me quite a few times, I think like people, what do you think that we build them as well as we possibly can we plant them as appropriately as we possible? Can they be the real gardens? And I hope that that's a thing that kind of come through.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Yeah. We will leave with something. And I think, again, collate, say it touches on all of those things I mentioned earlier. So people come away with the different bits that they want and, and I, I've done other shows where all of a sudden they'll drop one element, you know, they'll drop a little backstory or, and they'll go, well, we missed that. Or people that watch it for different reasons, but it's, it's still stood the test test of time. Um,

Speaker 4:

so I think for themselves as well, I think the way that we have net Larry's and someone's doing a little projects, they're all little snippets that people could take away and go, Oh actually I didn't know what to do with that little patch in the corner over there. That kind of inspirational things. Hopefully, you know, to get people outside and doing something for themselves.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. When I, when I first joined I was kind of given a bit of a debrief. I was kind of told, you know, David, he does like the landscape, he stuff and yourself, you know, you're quite hands on, you're good with a drill. So how, how's that, uh, evolved and will you always pitched like that or did you just want to get stuck in and that's ended up being kind of your, your storyline within your area?

Speaker 4:

I think the way it works is often very, it's a huge team behind it. Um, and I always kinda like to give them a bit of credit because I feel quite self conscious. My stuff on screen, it seems like it's just me. Um, or just Alamo, Jeff, Katie, that we've come up with all this on our own. And actually there's the huge team helping on site, but then also a huge thing back in the office to have kind of planned all these little details as much as anyone else. And I kind of caught up to give them the kind of credit for that. Um, but within that there is also the team who kind of work out who can do that well that was kind of, I mean I really, in my everyday life, I am obviously a gardener by my profession, but my hobby basically came with Joe and with work and fabric and making clay and whatever, you know, I just love to create usually quite terrible things.

Speaker 2:

No, no, you're good. You're really good. You're really good. You really get involved. You really do.

Speaker 4:

I like it. I like the talent.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. And we, we've created some great stuff and I've noticed over the years, you know, as I've been involved and you know, it's, it has been quite shared and you know, even David and even at the, I've been building a lot with Alan at the moment and Ireland's not known as a builder. He's known mainly as that as the gardener. Um, but you know who together we'll do it and we'll get him drilling and stuff and he loves it. You know, he loves getting involved. That's the fun, the fun stuff. I think you're doing garden as world now as well. How did that come about?

Speaker 4:

Came about the really a poorly, they kind of contacted me to ask me to come in and meet with them about how they can kind of get garden as well to be more relevant to people. My kind of age. So I just went in thinking are having a chat and as I quickly realized it, there'll be to be one of a couple dozen horrible, luckily obviously they didn't notice and they offered me and to decent contention but like the kind of book loads presented in one year trial loads of different people. Um, and, and luckily they bought them back again. Yeah. It's such a different program to work on the day. I mean you know what if I couldn't have, you've gotten me off two days, all hands on deck. It's sort of as soon as it goes like the morning until I go stock in the evening and it's full on. Whereas garden as well, they managed to eat out from a thin and just like in the morning until it's dark in the evening. But we're kind of just wondering around the garden, having that chat with property and that it's just

Speaker 2:

[inaudible] I want to be on that show. Oh it's crazy. Cause you're, you're working on your, I remember when you got your allotment, we were chatting about it, um, a couple of weeks ago and you finally got your allotment. So what, why were you so excited about your allotment?

Speaker 4:

I've been waiting for like five years.

Speaker 2:

Oh my God. Have you been on the waiting list that long?

Speaker 4:

[inaudible] I was living in Devon and I was on a waiting list in Devon. Um, and then I moved back to Kent and uh, there was an allotment just down the road. I'm kind of temporarily here, so I thought I'll just contact the council and see if I can have an allotment for the year. I'll probably, it won't be here that much longer and probably we'll go back to Devin. So still still like being on that waiting list. Um, but yet they have noticed they can talk to just a small village. Um, so they can mentor, they can put them am I am. I've got one and very stupid. He mentioned it to garden as wild as he then came and filmed it, which

Speaker 2:

Oh my God. Do quickly tidying up

Speaker 4:

when you're trying to go and build other gardens and you're away for a week or two at a time as anyone can tell you. I've learned that an allotment is basically full time job. So it's been a case of like, Oh, got there for me, come home and um, during the whole thing and we eat the whole thing and make it look presentable. But, um, and my mom's been watering for me[inaudible] and it's been a kind of family kind of T method really, um, to get it there. But now kind of probably the middle of the summer, my family sort of stepped away and I've done it and it's like I see, I kept feeling oppression cause I was stealing right. We weren't, I wasn't getting it as good as I wanted it. And now it goes back and it's like, well actually I've done, you know, we need to turn information from what it was. Um, I think I've maybe put on a kind of unnecessary pressure, get it looking really good. Cause I think people actually quite like to see something real, not necessarily perfect. And you know, I've had a lot of weeds and a lot of pets eating my cavities and you know, but people kind of like that because that's what people love to do with it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So on your allotment, your um, are you going vegetables then? What are you growing on there?

Speaker 4:

I'm kinda grinding all sorts of things. Um, cause I've always had this idea that one day I want to start a little cutting to garden of my own. That does as many things stuff sufficiently as possible. I kind of um, yeah, making bombs and, and cosmetic and boys clothes and things[inaudible] on his bed and free and everything. So I'm using the allotment as a sort of testing ground through that to kind of, it's quite a big block, but I've sectioned it off into little parts and I've got cut flowers, I've got medicinal herbs, I've got[inaudible] going, um, fruits and vegetables and it's all kind of going on. But a bit for more advanced than other bits of my vegetable patch. It's quite good to have a greenhouse with some more kind of[inaudible]. Eventually I can go off and turmeric and called moments and gingers and some, um, six tapings and[inaudible] and things like that. But, um, yes, I'd say that more better than anything else at the moment that, uh, over the winter I'm gonna work all the other tactics as well.

Speaker 2:

I love that. It's interesting. There's a local florist to me that I do a lot of work with. I've done her shop up and, and she's got an allotment and she just does flowers, you know, so she gets hand cut flowers and brings them into the shop and sells them in the shop. And I never thought on the allotment being used in that way, you just automatically automatically think of vegetables. So I love the fact that you're just making it work for you and, and using it for what you want it for.

Speaker 4:

Well, the thing that I was doing with God, miss world as much as it is, will have been pressure and I've coasted at times, but actually they kind of listened to me. Um, I know my plans for it and they found all these allotments we could send it. So I visited the woman in London, maybe something moment thing, caught flowers on her. Um, uh, had enough.

Speaker 2:

It's not the same lady now,

Speaker 4:

but it's like, yeah. So she's a florist doing it. I went to a woman in the isle of man who's doing cosmetics on her allotment. Um, I go who is doing things completely for wildlife. Um, just sort of a bit of everything. It's a kind of real update to the tradition. And I would say the allotment I have is a very traditional one. It's mainly men, not all, mainly retired, um, and very, very much traditional veggies growing. So it's kind of nice to have been able to shake things up a bit. Oh my allotment. And then also have it go out on TV. Cause obviously I know they're watching cause they're really interested to see what the film is all about and stuff. Um, and to then to see that it's still really distance Valley to go flowers for wildlife. They can start helping the pollinators that as I'm going to go around and pollinate all their vegetables too, you know? Yeah. And it's kind of just moving ahead moving forward because please, many people don't have gardens. I don't have a garden. Um, and they'd only be out. And so it's the only way I have a chance of practicing my own personal ideas about who to coach myself.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. And I, and I credit to, you know, Scott Gardener's work garden as well. They've, they saw that, you know, the ideas to Britain, it get the younger generation in and that what excites the younger generation is not necessarily vegetables. Like you say, it's the interesting the bombs and the flowers and stuff like that. I think that's brilliant and it's a great take on it and it's, it's why they've hired you maybe

Speaker 4:

completely. Yeah. The only way that some people have to do it. So why not let them do it, you know?

Speaker 2:

Now. Absolutely. I remember we were chatting last series and you, you talked about woofing.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

So where are we, where are we with the movie? Tell, tell them our listeners what that is.

Speaker 4:

Well thing, it's done so well, void of[inaudible] and organic farming and it just is a scheme way, kind of, I think it 20 pounds a year to join a country website. If you want to go traveling from where basically you know where you want to go, but you don't necessarily know what you want to do or where exactly in that country and you maybe feel a bit, um, nervous about going by yourself somewhere you can just doing the website for that country. And it comes up with the heat list of different farms around the world, um, who are looking for that of help so you can just go live and um, you want that people have to say, okay, turn up. But then there were all kinds of things I've done, um, grape harvest, um, in the South of France and then olive harvest and there are whole places I want to go to that do kind of grow in the center fonts. They grow to panics for using in perfume and anywhere that's all it has to do is be organic and, and they can sign off. Then you can go and there's hundreds of thousands of places. So yeah. And the winter, cause I have the time, I like to do that. I'm planning to do it. It's going to, I can't decide whether I'm going to go South America or India.

Speaker 2:

Why do they put you up then? Do they put your pin in their farms as well?

Speaker 4:

Yes. It's just you go ne you work, uh, obviously on the website you can see how much you expect to work compared to, you know, be free. So, uh, when did the great, cause I think we worked from eight in the morning until about one and then we were free from the afternoon. Um, and then in exchange you get a place to stay on may Fiji. They will either pay to get there and then you can, if you want to just do it really cheap,

Speaker 2:

well fab, you can travel around in your, in your van and just take the dog and the dog. At the end of it of my podcast, I always ask my, um, my guest a question. So, um, for, for gardens it's normally I ask you to describe your, your dream garden. It could be either when you already have or it could be your allotment or something or, or it's something that you aspire to and want you to describe what scene it, what's there and also what it is you're drinking while you're there

Speaker 4:

drinking. Oh, interesting. Um, to me I would have to say aloof God and I didn't have it one day. I would love a walled garden with all clean for the useful thing in it. Um, this is not plant related, but I would like to Potter's wheel.

Speaker 2:

Do you know what? I'm actually, I'm actually doing a pottery caught on Thursday morning in exchange for an exchange for carpentry. I've never done it. I do, I do a lot of trade swaps and I found a local amazing artists and I just messaged her saying, would you teach me and I'll come and make you something for your workshop conference related show. Like hell yes. So I'm doing that on Thursday morning. I do a lot with different artists and like glassblowers and things like that. I've done it quite a lot, so I've never done it. I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 4:

You, I hope you like it until I think I know every, I've done poetry since I was 18, not professionally, but just as a hobby and I think maybe every time I've done it, the people who have taught it and are gardeners or have been gardeners, uh, or they garden in their free time, I think there's something

Speaker 2:

clay in your hands. Yes.

Speaker 4:

It, you know, and I think it's connected. I have thought in the policy about changing my job and being a positive and know I still love it. Jolt. I wouldn't love it. I just do it. I hope you like it.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah. I'll let you know how it goes when we see it today. A couple of weeks and what you, what you're drinking while sitting by your Potter's wheel in your walled garden full of amazing flowers and, and lovely things. What are you doing?

Speaker 4:

Oh, right. Well and goes in there a point of cold copy[inaudible] to celebrate in fact that I've made it and I'm in a little garden then

Speaker 2:

fabulous friends itself. It is absolutely amazing. Normally as well I say how can people contact you on social media? But I don't know if you are on social media, are you

Speaker 4:

maybe do social?

Speaker 2:

We don't do it and really no one really envious. I have to do it for my work anyway and there's part of me that secretly wishes I didn't have to so I didn't have to check my phone all the time and yeah,

Speaker 4:

because I have to remind business, I have to do it, but at the moment I don't have to see am I absolutely no, not that I have an extra people going, Oh my goodness. Fall telling me off.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. I'm very ambitious. I'm very ambitious. I'll give you that one first. It's been an absolute pleasure speaking to you. Thank you. So Anna, I'll see you in

Speaker 1:

a couple of weeks when it's cold. So there we are. Who knew that allotments could be cool. What really fresh way to approach and allotment rather than just doing vegetables. You know, I liked the idea of creating cut flowers or you know, using things, you know, especially as we spoke to Lynn Lamborn last week, um, about sustainability and, and things that you can create. So she's kind of doing on a, on a new level rather than buying things, creating potions and things that can be used around the house. I thought I thought her take on the allotment is a perfect way forward and how clever that garden as well, they've cottoned on to that, making it young and trendy. Once again, you know, thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed hearing about the garden we created for Lorraine. Again, as always, thank you to my sponsors thorn down for sponsoring this podcast and without them I couldn't do this podcast. And remember if you want 15% discount on all of their online products, you can go to thorn down.co. Dot UK and put in the voucher code a TV carpenter. As always, if you like what you hear, please share, let people know about it and rate, review, subscribe. You don't have to do any of that. It'd be nice if you did. So other people can find this podcast as well. And also this week, interior design masters is going to be released on Netflix, so you can catch all the episodes. You can currently catch all the episodes on BBCI player, but it just means that all around the world people will be watching, uh, interior design masters. So I might have a new audience who will be listening. Um, let's see if we can spread it wide and, and see what kind of, uh, uh, uh, comments and questions I get. As always, if you'd like to leave me a message, you can. My social media is Wayne Perry on Instagram and Twitter. Leave me a message wherever you are in the world and, uh, I'll get back to you and if you have any questions regarding the show, ask away. All that's left to say is once again, thank you for listening to the TV carpenter.

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