THE TV CARPENTER : Home Makeovers with Wayne Perrey

Wayne Chats with Cassie Nicholas winner of 'Interior Design Masters'

November 22, 2019 Wayne Season 2 Episode 1
THE TV CARPENTER : Home Makeovers with Wayne Perrey
Wayne Chats with Cassie Nicholas winner of 'Interior Design Masters'
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THE TV CARPENTER : Home Makeovers with Wayne Perrey
Wayne Chats with Cassie Nicholas winner of 'Interior Design Masters'
Nov 22, 2019 Season 2 Episode 1
Wayne

Welcome back to season 2 of the TV Carpenter

For the first episode back I chat with Cassie Nicholas the winner of the smash hit BBC/Netflix show 'Interior Design Masters'
We talk about her experience on the show and what life has been like since the show aired.
Guest: dig-haushizzle.co.uk


Sponsor: To take advantage of the generous 15% discount from my sponsor Thorndown, please visit http://bit.ly/TVCarpenter. Discount code: TVCarpenter

Contact me: Wayne Perrey on Twitter and Instagram.

Music: "What's the Angle" by Shane Ivers

Show Notes Transcript

Welcome back to season 2 of the TV Carpenter

For the first episode back I chat with Cassie Nicholas the winner of the smash hit BBC/Netflix show 'Interior Design Masters'
We talk about her experience on the show and what life has been like since the show aired.
Guest: dig-haushizzle.co.uk


Sponsor: To take advantage of the generous 15% discount from my sponsor Thorndown, please visit http://bit.ly/TVCarpenter. Discount code: TVCarpenter

Contact me: Wayne Perrey on Twitter and Instagram.

Music: "What's the Angle" by Shane Ivers

Speaker 1:

On today's show, I'll be talking to Cassie, the winner of interior design masters as she shares what it was like to work on the show, the highs and the lows, and also what it's been like being crowned the winner of one of the biggest interior design shows on BBC and Netflix. Hello and welcome to the TV carpenter. My name is Wayne Perry. Now I'm fortunate that I've worked in all the major interior design and garden make-over shows. So recently if you've watched any of the interior design shows on Netflix or BBC, like interior design masters or the great interior design challenge, I think the last four series are currently repeating on there. You'll have seen me, I'm normally wearing an orange t-shirt making and creating wonderful stuff that the designers have asked me to do. Or you might have seen me on. Love your garden with Alan Titchmarsh and the team or gun rescue with China.

Speaker 1:

Dimock the rich brothers and aerate all three of those are garden designers. So I'm fortunate that I get to work in the best interior design and garden makeover shows, which means I have access to not only those presenters, but also I have access to the contestants if it's a competition show and also all the people behind the scenes. So there's people you don't even know about, but who are, are experts in their fields. So we have amazing, um, horticulturalists, um, interior designers, um, color psychologists, all these people have an amazing wealth of knowledge that I thought I could tap into, which is why I created this TV carpenter podcast. My main aim really is to empower you to, to learn about what it is to create a beautiful home so that you can then have the confidence to create your dream home, whether it's making over your garden or making over your, your interiors. So if you're listening to this podcast throughout the weeks out, we'll be interviewing various interior designers, garden psychologists, garden psychologists, color psychologist, gardeners, product designers, anything really that sparks joy and excitement in the world of interior design and garden design. So I hope you enjoy what my guests have to say.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 3:

That's me. Um, I love colors and I love painting. So this is a nice way of me just, I'm getting to play really. So for a new paint company, it's very important tech around identity. So we use a lot of the colors that were from the thorn down Brandon. So that's where, so the more modern tones come from, but then also the fact that we're doing with interior and exterior paints means you have to have those beautiful kind of soft tones and heritage colors to go with it and to actually build a proper rounded color chart. Um, so yes, that's me that comes up with that.

Speaker 1:

And it says on your, on your literature you've got 1,800 Raul colors.

Speaker 3:

So rally is a German color system basically. And um, it means that, um, for instance is used a lot in the construction and design, trade and architect. So an architect will specify a RAL seven Oh one six, which is anthracite gray. So it means that someone can build a new house with anthracite gray WRAL seven Oh one six windows and door frames, um, in UPVC. And then they can come to us and they can get the exact same color in their wood paint. So there is a color system really. It, um, it provides a uniformity.

Speaker 1:

[inaudible] so you say if somebody, if somebody could come and order that number from you even though he's not in your color change?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, so it compliments the color chart. So we basically have a Raul tinting machine and it does all of the Raul design and Raul classic colors. [inaudible]

Speaker 1:

amazing. Um, how often do you change your color charts?

Speaker 3:

So it's about, Oh, I suppose once a year. Really. Um, I am just reviewing colors at the moment. Um, you didn't interview recently and uh, the, the designer said about house of clays and party muted tones are going to be coming, coming back into fashion again. So it was important for us to keep up with fashion and interior trends. So I'm going to be introducing more of the clays and the stone patties into the color chart, but then also just fill in the gap with more blues and greens. So it's basically, I just go and look at lots of colors that I like and I'm going to say I'll have that one. But also it's a collaborative process with our customers too. Um, so lots of the shed manufacturers, they'll say, actually, can we have one of those colors? And then I'll, we'll develop it. And um, if it's a great one that we think would be popular, then I'll introduce it onto the color sharps. So I'm looking at introducing 12 new colors this year. I love the button. [inaudible]

Speaker 4:

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Speaker 1:

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Speaker 1:

So here we are, season two of the TV carpenter. After the first series. I, I wonder what series two would, would hold for us in the fact that it was a crazy, crazy summer. I had various TV shows out, the Intuit design show, garden make-over shows, all of it was kicking off and all of it was airing all at the same time. So I wondered what would happen when it all finished. And there I thought, okay, it's coming up to Christmas, it's going to be a bit quieter. But then literally last week it all kind of went crazy again. I got a phone call from my good friend Sarah Moore. Now Sarah Moore was the winner of interior design, the great interior design challenge. Sorry. Um, I started my interior design, um, shows with her. She was the winner of the great interior design challenge first series and I built for her on that show.

Speaker 1:

Um, her final house, I was one of the builders on it and we've remained friends ever since. And you'll recognize Sarah Moore from, um, money for nothing. She created the show where you go into scrap yards and you find stuff that people are throwing away and then she turns it around and makes a profit for it and gives them money back to them. And she, she's been doing that show for a couple of years now and she's got a brand new show out coming out and which they're filming at the moment and they're working. Title is be my guest. And the premise of it is that, you know, if you've got a spare room in your house, you've got a garage or you've got something in your, in your property or you bought a property, but you want to rent out a room like an Airbnb, um, you know, so you can get a little bit of passive income.

Speaker 1:

She goes in, interior designs it, and then it gets made over. And so alongside with her is then another good friend of mine, max McMurdo and max, um, has website max restore. He, he's done a lot with grand designs and he's a designer and he makes quirky things like, um, what was one of the things I've seen in maker bath and then he used like a, an um, an old, um, drum heated up. So he set up this bath and things. He's very technical and scrap. He P kind of challenge kind of going and we, we built show gardens next to each other at the idle home scent show. So we'd been mates for quite a while and he's also the other presenter on it and they needed an on camera builder to come in and do some of the carpentry on some of the smaller quick make-over builds.

Speaker 1:

So I was asked to, to work on the show. So I worked with max, um, at the beginning of the week and then I worked with Sarah towards the latter that week and that looks like it's going to continue over Christmas into the new year. So there's me thinking out of a nice quiet summer, but it's going to go crazy. But also I mentioned it on my podcast that they still need some contestants. So if you have a small room, you have a room in your house that you want to make into like an Airbnb room and you want an interior designer to come in and point you in the right direction and potentially meet to come in and build whatever they say and what you decide together, then, um, let me know. So message me on Wayne Perry on Instagram or Twitter and uh, and send me a message and I'll send you on the links.

Speaker 1:

But uh, yeah, if you want to be on this new show and have your, your roommate over, then get in touch again with the first series I had some amazing guests on and I thought, how can I top that? But actually I've managed to secure some amazing guests for season two and they need starts with the contestants from interior design masters. Contractually, I couldn't interview them. I did, I interviewed them all, but I couldn't show the, uh, I'll air the con, uh, the conversations until after it had gone out on Netflix. So my guests for interior design masters will be coming on in this season. I'll put them out throughout the season, but I'm going to start with Cassie now. Cassie was crowned the queen of interior design masters when she was the winner on the show and I had a chat with her and she filled me in on what it was like to work on the show. Um, and now that the dust settles what it's like now the show is ed and you know, being crowned the winner and one of the most successful BBC and Netflix interior design show is, it must be just a little bit crazy, especially if you're getting messages from people all around the world. Now you have seen her being crowned the winner. So have a listen and hear what Cassie has to say about working on the show.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 5:

Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

Speaker 6:

Oh, taking my pleasure. That's pretty exciting.

Speaker 5:

It's more exciting, but for the fact that you're going to be the start of my season two, Andy, you're the winner of interior design milestones happened. Oh my God, this is it. How far it is. It's been a huge, huge hit. Obviously we worked together on the show and I got to build with you a few times.

Speaker 6:

Yeah. It had some great times building, same bus and stuff.

Speaker 5:

Did we did, we had a lot, lots of [inaudible].

Speaker 1:

Well, um, firstly let's start at the beginning. What's your background?

Speaker 6:

Um, my background, well, I originally 19 diversity. I started fashion photography and I absolutely loved it. But when I finished I moved to Bristol, which probably isn't the place to come to if you wanna be a fashion photographer. Kind of made a few mess ups there really. And then I bought the retail for years and you know, just got bored of it and needed to do something for myself. I'm quite a project person. I'd like to, I'm quite creative on a make things or do things. So I've always had businesses or projects on the side. I used to be a wedding photographer. I've done so much different photography stuff.

Speaker 1:

I never knew this. I never, I need wow.

Speaker 6:

Yeah. So it's kind of what I kind of started doing. But then, um, we bought Georgian flat face Bay and it was lovely, but it needed tightly redoing. And we just started buying older pieces and stuff for that flat and just ended up becoming something that we were finding really good things that we didn't think other people, especially in Bristol at that point in time were buying and were in either antique shops or vintage doors. So we decided to do ourself and literally one day quit my job and just started buying some stuff. I didn't really have a background or any knowledge in optics, no one in my family or anything like that. We just went through it. So yeah, we'd done that. And then we did a pop up store time. It was, yeah, it's amazing. It was after like five years, but now we do all of that online and that, yeah, that's kind of how it got to here.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. It's cause, cause, yeah. So, um, so is your company's um, dig house shizzle is that, how would you say it?

Speaker 6:

Oh yeah, that's the one. Yeah. Dick shizzle.

Speaker 1:

Uh huh. And cause I remember, I remember over breakfast one we're on location, you're talking about you know the business and how you are making it more online and, and, and selling things with your husband. Did you do it doing it together? What made you want to go on the interior design? Show them. Cause that's very different to, to that.

Speaker 6:

Yeah. Well it is so different. But I said, what did I sing? I think I said at fashion, you know, fashion interiors, this is, to me in one sense it's the kind of the same thing if you're still thinking with your eyes and you're looking at things. So it's kind of just a natural progression to kind of goes backwards and forwards me of kind of what I'm interested in. But I'm doing the antiques part. It just meant for years I've been working with interior designers. You know, generally I'm being the saucer, I'm not doing the designing, I just find stuff for them. But I work so closely with so many people that I could go deliver stuff and then start styling it for them because I kind of got their idea and I was like, Hey, I'm kind of getting better at this. So when, um, when I had the phone call about the show and they asked me did they, they basically rang me and said, did I know anybody who'd be interested in this? I was just like, Ooh, okay. Um, maybe I could do it. And that's kind of how it started really.

Speaker 1:

I love that. I never knew that, that they, they contacted you as well. Yeah. Especially cause the casting department needs everything, don't they? So that's,

Speaker 6:

we tried to make, and I think bringing on teach show is quite, you know, we are antiques materials. We worked with interior designers. They just presumed I would know lots of interior designers, which I do, but I just was like, Oh this sounds quite good. Maybe I could do this. So,

Speaker 1:

and you're already wet and bloody worn it. So when you do doing show, you're,

Speaker 5:

you're in a unique position that you know, you and Frank got to do all of the episodes with which, which, which was your favorite episode?

Speaker 6:

I think there was lots of different episodes that I enjoyed for different reasons. Like I really enjoyed working with Nikki and shops because we worked well together and our team was really good and everything was kind of, it was, it was just a really fun week. It was, you know, the world cup was on, we were going out for watching the football. It was just super fun. But I think for me it was kind of when it got towards the end, I think I was very comfortable with all the crew and everybody that by the time that we say done the salons week us kind of by myself again, which I really, really enjoyed settled into it. And I think I was, that's what I was just having so much fun and yeah, that's, yeah, there's lots of weeks. There's always something every day that I loved and yeah, I did just have the best time throughout the, yeah, it's just quite nice when you work with people and you go back to is doing so for yourself. I just felt really come towards everybody like Italian and watching it. Those just kind of really relaxing into it at that point in time.

Speaker 5:

Well it was really lovely you said that. Cause I uh, I remember commenting on it for the podcast and talking about the salons week, I was with Frank opposite and it was the first time I think we saw you, you get emotional, you know, she would cry at the drop of a hat. Whereas in the Salar and I think, I think one exhaustion at the end of like day two of salons. But also you actually put your heart on your sleeve and kind of said, you know, if I can't do any more than this, this is my style, this is, this is me. And if they don't like this, then you know, what else can I do?

Speaker 6:

I am like very like emotional kind of person. I'm very passionate about what I do and what I'm interested in. But the thing is, for me, I was having a, I was just having a really, really great time and I already like, I'm really lucky that I have a job. Jobs I already loved and maybe I didn't go into it looking to change absolutely everything, but I was just taking on and learning and really enjoying. So I was shattered every week like everybody else. And you know, it was just some times it comes out and that's when it starts to really hit me that I was got to that point was I actually, I've been working really hard and now I really want this. So yeah, I think it was then where it really started to get to me I suppose.

Speaker 5:

So on all the episodes as well, is there anything that you have, whether it's design wise or choices or whatever, is there anything you would've done differently now you've watched it back?

Speaker 6:

Yeah. Well I think you're always learning and also you're always learning, especially when you're doing a show like that. You're learning how to find stuff quicker and different ways. Do you think? I know very much at the beginning, um, I wanted to really stay true to myself and be the kind of antique dealer, kind of an invite original, but I realized I kind of like week three, week four, um, I didn't have all those little decorative little bits on the side and things like that and I needed to kind of rein that in a little bit to make sure that, you know, if I couldn't find the perfect ground, I still had a lump. And I feel that when I kind of done the hotel kind of sweet, it was those little extra bits that were missing. Um, obviously I made other mistakes as well, but you know, I just looked at it, I think, Oh, I could've got that and I could've got that. It just, it just wasn't, I was trying to, I don't know, make it perfect and if I couldn't find I wouldn't use it and that probably wasn't the right way to go back.

Speaker 5:

It's interesting that the hotel, I think the only time we felt we've got any negativity was, was the hotel canopy. And there was lots of talk about the, you know, that lots of use of the curtains and stuff like that. Um, the drapes around the bed. Would you have changed that or are you happy with that in the end?

Speaker 6:

Yeah, I like the look of it and I would do the same again in a residential center. I liked it. And, um, but I do totally appreciate what the judge has said and you know, they were right. And lots of people probably wouldn't like that, but, um, it's just, I don't know. I think if like, if you go to somewhere that's got big antique bed, they've probably got really old, um, carrots and stuff like that on. So that's kind of where I was thinking. But you know, I know I didn't get it quite right, but that was as part of me kind of learning. And I, I never expected, you know, we didn't meet the clients for that one beforehand, so you don't meet the clients. So I didn't know what they wanted. They just ask us to do, um, our own personal styles that that's kind of all be done.

Speaker 5:

Yeah. But you learn, you learn along the way. And I think that's, it's like any of these programs, whether you watch bake-off or your whatever, you always, there's always that journey that people have to go through and,

Speaker 6:

okay.

Speaker 5:

Yeah. I mean, and, and seeing your, I know I didn't build for you in the final, but your, your final, your final house, your final apartment was stunning. It looked, it looked absolutely beautiful. And what's really interesting is on camera. I don't think it came across as gorgeous as actually was in person. Um, I think that when you walked into that, those spares, especially that living room and the vaulted ceiling and the way you did the, you and Stuart, then the builder did the paneling up there, that huge vaulted wall. Everything about that space was so warm and inviting. And that's what was really interesting. Watching it back. And then you saw Frank's room. We'd actually look lovely on camera, but in person it was quite cold. And quite, you know, like show housey which is why I think you know, your room particularly that, that one and just seeing your journey go from, you know, you know, learning journey to creating this amazing space with all your own furniture in there was absolutely amazing where you're proud of at.

Speaker 6:

If I was, I was, yes I was really prior to the sign I knew I had to um, prove that idealism and you know, I'm, I'm quite, I think I'm quite a good people person and luckily I got to meet the clients beforehand and really chat with them and really understand what they wanted and you know, they were wonderful people and to be able to go into the home and make it for them and they'd love this much was just an amazing experience. I had to do things as well cause they wanted things that were quite neutral and they wanted, you know, maybe more trends than I would normally go for. But I wanted to show that I can, I do understand those things, these, those things as well. It's just not necessarily what I choose to do all the time. So yeah, to push myself through up to show that it could do different things.

Speaker 6:

And yet when I look back today and I am really cried and the fact that the clients love it so much, it's just, yeah, it just makes me very happy. Yeah. I learned loads. We made so much for those rooms and find really good pieces and you know things that you can't just buy off the shelf. They've got a lot of things that never even got shown and they got like all new carpets and you know, send me different things that you didn't realize. Well the viewer probably doesn't realize was done entirely. Like adding more droves loads this time.

Speaker 5:

It's true. Yeah. Cause they only got so much edit. So I always used to bother me that it's been a whole day building something and then they'd leave or it won't even be in shock. You're like, dammit, I'm built that. One of the questions we had was from an amazing designer called Anna Jacobs is actually featured on my podcast. But one of our questions was, have you ever had to design a space that fast before?

Speaker 6:

Never. Never had to design anything that fast before. It's, it's just, you know, I'm, I'm kind of a bit of an advocate of this idea of like slow growing deco, especially for your home. Like I don't think designing your home has to be done in a week and yeah, I'm not really, I've got to finding everything for your home in one week. I just don't think it really works like that. You're never going to love something if you just go into one shop and just buy a whole look in one go and you're going to want to change it in a few years. I think you kind of have to, you know, put a lot of love and respect into each item you buy. So the idea is that you hang onto it. We love it and you know, we're not going to be just going through furniture and home wise every three years and checking out, you know, the world council statement.

Speaker 6:

We've got to try and make me like for a long time. That's kind of what I'm about as a designer and as a person and yeah. So, no, I'm not bringing Africa even doing anything that fast. But um, it was, it was a real, real good experience. Learn how much you can achieve and how much she can get done and when you have to put your mind to it to design something, say piece of furniture, know the um, the cabinet you made in the restaurant or the glasses above. It's like, hi, can we do this? It's going to be the most, you know, practical thing for them. And we do it in the time frame and on budget. Stuff like that. Think about it was just really great cause you just have the work at what you can afford. Looks good and yeah. But stuff like that. I really love trying to sort out those kinds of problems. So that was kind of good at a time frame.

Speaker 5:

And what was, I think it was quite nice speaking to a lot of you guys design, especially the ones, you know, the last four of you. It was, it was interesting just going, well, if you can do this show, you're almost can do anything because your, I mean, the timeframes that you say, the turnaround, the everything that they threw at you life is probably never going to make it as hard as this ever again, you know, in the design, but it's amazing. But you talked about then about like furniture and sourcing things and things that you can keep. We had another, another lovely question. Um, question from Caroline, um, from Thor down, who's a Pat, um, you, you know, your passion is for antiques. Do you have a favorite furniture designer?

Speaker 6:

Um, no. That's probably the easiest way to put it. No, I don't, I think I judge everything on individual merit. So there's probably not something in particular. I can't say that I particularly love anything that even for an antique designer or textiles, I'm, I think I'm a bit more than my pie, the map to be into one thing. So no, I can't say there was anything particularly, I can't even say one style. It's just everything for me, I think is individual.

Speaker 5:

You're like an eclectic mix of things.

Speaker 6:

Yes, totally

Speaker 5:

the prize. So we've had quite a few people who are like, we had so many actually comments going, well I w I want to know more about the prize and will we get to see it? I think Kath from my modern dollhouse, she actually, this this lovely lady crates, miniature dollhouses that are really modern rather than the old Victorian. They're amazing. But she says, will we get to see it and has it happened yet?

Speaker 6:

Um, yeah, it's all finished. It's all finished and done, but there isn't going to be anything on TV or anything like that. Like that's about it and there's not going to be, um, I don't think there's going to be any filming or anything that, but it was all done and finished that in I think June this year. Um, and so we've, we finished filming, I think the October time, had a few weeks off and then kind of got straight back into doing the prize and

Speaker 5:

just remind my listeners, what was the prize then? What was the budgets and what did you have?

Speaker 6:

So the prize, the prize was to redesign a hotel bar and it was in central London. It was called the gym bar and was in the door to that hotel in Shepherd's Bush. Now this high tower used to be, it was a cinema probably, I think it was probably early 20th century cinema. It's got these amazing voted ceilings. It's, it's a beautiful building already, but it just needed, the ball, just needed a bit of a left and it didn't really follow through with everything else they have going on in there. So they still had this, um, they wanted to show the history that it was a cinema and they have loads of artwork that the owners collects from pictures of Audrey Hepburn and Martin RO, but they didn't really fit through with all of the furniture and things that they had. So, you know, they didn't want to change any of this art. They wanted to keep that whole look. So I kind of started from the beginning and start thinking about almost like a was, it evolves kind of fickle and this kind of glory of the early Hollywood drama. So that was kind of the route I went there. And with a tiny touch of art deco as well cause that's kind of what the building has finding life and yeah, that's the route that I took.

Speaker 5:

Uh huh. And so, so people could go to this gin barn and don't check it out, check out the hotel.

Speaker 6:

Yeah they can do, it's opened up. So it's just literally you go through the lobby, the bar is there, it's open all the time. It's really lovely. Take your title, you recommend like have to say that. So really nice in there. And um, I think the main thing is it's not really practical for them. They can move it all the rain and it's just a bit cozier and works. If you go in big groups before it probably didn't work so well for the groups. But yeah, I had a fantastic experience with the Dorset and yeah, really enjoyed it.

Speaker 5:

It is lovely cause if you look on your Instagram, you release, I saw some pictures before the sh we all met up for drinks, ran at Nicky's and you showed us some pictures there. And I was like, Oh my God, it looks absolutely stunning. Lots of velvets and rich tones and an Eva think I even messaged you go and where does that sofa from? My wife wants a new sofa. Like, look at that. We have actually looked on that website by the way. It looks amazing. Yeah. Um, and we had another question from a lovely lady called Debbie from fixing up fondly and she says, um, have you taken on any more contracts, whether it be commercial or home or have you focus more back on your antiques business?

Speaker 6:

Um, yeah, I have focused more back on my antiques business. It is something, you know, the show sit ashed and because I was kind of six months out filming that, I was a bit behind so I had to come back and really work on message what me and my husband do is our main living. So it's kind of something that had to put some time back into. But I have done quite a few other pieces of work I've been doing. I've done some photography for Matthew Williamson. Um,

Speaker 5:

really tell me more about that. Well. Well you can't, you can't just bypass that one. Okay. So Matthew Williamson was one of the judges on the interior design show. So what have you been through photography for him? We'd been working with him on.

Speaker 6:

Yeah. So after the show, um, you know, he was, he was really lovely to me on the show and I really, it was, he was someone who I really wanted to impress to be honest. Like I've, I've known it of the fashion work for years. You know, I've done fashion for my stuff when I was younger, but when, when I realized she was doing it in through me anterior cause as well, I lost, Oh I re really like hunted down everything you've done. I want to see all the pictures. And I was like, Oh, I can see, Oh I love about his style is that he's been very, very Matthew Em's and hit treat his style for years. It doesn't really change with the trends. His stuff might come like poetry in trend, but he's always, his core style is always going to appeal to the same people. And I just find that really inspiring. So I just really wanted him to like, why do that? Also I could see there was like kind of crossovers and things that we liked. So I really hoped you would like it. And luckily he did. And then afterwards I'm like, we've talked through work as well and I've asked me to photograph his most recent lump collection. So yeah, it was, that was wonderful. Really amazing.

Speaker 5:

That is insane. That's absolutely, absolutely brilliant. Just wrapping up now, cause you've, you've told me Lowe's, which is lovely. I always ask my guests to describe their, their favorite homes. So it could be a favorite room in your home. So it could be when you're currently have or it could be when you aspire to have [inaudible] as an interior designer. Um, what, what would it look like, but also what would you be drinking whilst you are in this room?

Speaker 6:

Um, I think from a, like am I high snide? My favorite room is my kitchen. Um, and I think it's because for me, I really want a home to be sociable. I want. I would like, I always liked that my friends feel really comfortable in my home. You know, it's the, the kind of house where people come and go. I've had friends live with us, we've, you know, we've had friends stay for weeks on end. We once had like three friends living here all at one time. It's, it's always been quite an open house and I really, really like that and I always want a place to feel authentic and not contrived and I think that's the place that feels like it works well for me. And I think in the daytime it's constantly, I'm just a tea drinker that's never stops drinking tea evening, nice glass of red. I think he's going to have to be a little bit of a crossover.

Speaker 5:

Well I love as well as a, if anyone's seen your Instagram, there's a gorgeous picture of you sitting at your kitchen table. I think it is. And it shows your beautiful kitchen. And interestingly there was a question I was looking at my sheet as you describing that. And normally that's the last question, but one lady put esta from retro crib are your red boots vintage because I think you're wearing some cool boots in that picture. That reminded me. Are they vintage, those red boots?

Speaker 6:

None that I know. Actually I'm a deep, I don't think she plays, but no they're not. They were, um, I'm very lucky that one of my friends at Wilson, they think that that's what those at the time was a hobby Nichols and they were from there. So I've been quite lucky over the years to, uh, uh, know when things are going to fail first. Yeah, that was a pickup from Augie Nicholas. But yeah, they are a great pair of red boots

Speaker 5:

comedy. So that's the end on, so if people want to contact you, what's your website so they can check out everything about you?

Speaker 6:

Yeah, well I've got two websites. I've got the antiques website, which is [inaudible] and how she's or.co. Dot. UK. And I also have an interior with website, which is Cassie Nicholas. Dot co. Dot. UK. So we've got both of those going on. I to take me a while cause uh, um, my full name is Cassandra so I couldn't decide charities or I was going to be Casio Cassandra, but everyone calls me castle. It just went to Cassie. So I sometimes go for, it's Cassandra Nicholas. Like don't get your caffeine.

Speaker 5:

There's Kasey and you're on Twitter, Pinterest, Facebook and Instagram. And how do, what are those handles? Um, which are the main ones you use?

Speaker 6:

To be dead honest, I probably haven't at looked at Twitter for years, but I think is our daycare. She's old but I'm not entirely sure. But we are at the acacias and on Instagram and that is probably the main one that I kind of update. I'm thinking we're at decay, she's on Pinterest, which is absolutely full of stuff because I basically, I'm making content all the time, photograph and stock and I home and traveling where I'm doing styling that I just work everything on that. So it's a bit of a, it's a sea of photos.

Speaker 5:

Cassie has been an absolute pleasure and once again, huge, huge congratulations on winning interior design masters

Speaker 6:

much Wayne and thank you for wanting to chat to me. It's been lovely.

Speaker 5:

Be lovely. Bye bye.

Speaker 1:

It was so lovely to speak to Kasey. What I really like about her is from day one she knew what she wanted to achieve from the program. She wanted to gain some experience. She wants you to promote her current business, very successful business with her and her husband. And what she ended up doing is not only winning the show but growing in confidence, developing her business, but also just feeding her passion for what she loves. And I think that's all we all want to do, really, isn't it? And the end of the day, I hope you enjoyed that interview and I hope you enjoyed hearing what she had to say. Remember, if you want to contact me, you can contact me, Wayne Perry on Instagram or Twitter message me. Let me know if you have any questions or you want me to interview anybody and I'll try and get them on the show. And don't forget, you can get 15% discount from thorn down.co. Dot UK on any of their online products, and you get that 15% discount by putting in the code T V carpenter. Once again, all that's left for me to say is thank you for joining me for beginning of season two and thank you for listening to the TV carpenter.