Wayne chats with Edward Robinson, Presenter and Interior Design Producer

For this episode I chat with Edward Robinson, Interior designer and Presenter of 'Cowboy Builders', He is also the design producer behind the hit shows 'Interior Design Masters' and  'The Great Interior Design Challenge' both hits for BBC and Netflix's

He also share's the top tip to create amazing sets on a budget.
Guest: www.edwardrobinsonid.com

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Transcript

spk_0:   0:04
on today's show, I'll be chatting with Edward Robinson. Now He's an interior designer and presenter off cowboy builders. He's also an amazing set designer, and he is the mastermind behind great shows like into design masters on the Great Interior Design Challenge. Without him, the show's wouldn't be the huge hits that they are today. Hello and welcome to the TV Carpenter. My name is Wayne Perry. Now this is a podcast where hopefully I get to inspire you by interviewing the best interior design and garden makeover. People trades people in the industry, and today I'm interview my good friend Edward Robinson. He's an amazing interior designer presenter, and he works behind the scenes also on a LL. The major home and interior design shows. But first I want to share with you a little interview I did with my sponsors. Now my sponsors are Thorne down there, an amazing paint company, a wood paint on peaceable glass paint. But what I love about them is their effects on the environment are as minimal as possible. They're created the most amazing ICO paint that I think is out there, and it's second to none, and also it really does work. So I did a little interview with Caroline on Bennett, the owners of Thorn Down on. I went down to the factory in glass debris, and they told me all about UV protection on what makes Thorne down paint. Brilliant. Thorne Damn paint has a UV blocking protection on it says it's resistant to color fade. How important is that? And how does that work? So the resin on the color that we use a very UV resistant on so the resin on its own is except blocking out. You'd be a lot of colors that you used Allotment blue will eight. They're just strongest UV resistant colors that you can use, and they're all same strength, so they don't fade. So together they work very, very well. So they just stayed the same What one wants to be painted. This doesn't change in the complement each other. So there's some natural pigments in the colorants that really helped to protect the resin itself, as well as the resident actually protecting the country from one another as well. So they look after each other exactly, and then when we do clear, it's a pure clear. But we put additional U B blockers in there because there's no pigment to help filter. It s so so yes. So when I've used the clear one before to protect the wood, that sort of has that has the UV within the clear as well that you saying so? Even if he used without color without without any pigments in it, it's still protects the wood as well. Absolutely. It really is interesting that when we buy paint, you don't really think about the science behind it. But what I love and what is so infectious about meeting Ben and Caroline but particularly Ben, he really loves geeking out on the whole science off paint, and he's been doing it for 30 years. So the whole reason he started the company was because he knew so much science behind it, and he knew there was a way of creating the best product out there, but also that was kind to the environment as possible. So knowing about this, you know, UV protection on buying the best ingredients to make Thorne down as effective as possible is his main aim with the company. But also he and Caroline are absolutely amazing a thorn down that they've given us a TV carpenter listeners 15% discount on any of their paints on any of their online purchases. So if you go Thio Thorne down dot co dot UK and type in the code TV carpenter, you can receive 15% discount. I am so pleased that you guys are finally gonna get to hear this interview I did with Edward Robinson. My mate Head Eddie is a reason why I ended up working as a TV carpenter. He gave me my first ever on camera TV carpenters role, and that was on the first. Siri's off the great Interior Design Challenge. So behind the scenes, he's responsible for the show. So he's that when a production company comes up with an idea for a show, he's the guy that they call upon it to put it together so logistically he gets the builders, the decorators he does there, records sealed around A ll the properties and check them out. You know, check that they're good. And then when the show is up and running, especially competition shows, he will be there supporting the contestants of the designers, helping them by shop, looking at their mood boards, checking that everything is good and that everything is organized but also in his own right. He's the most amazing presenter on interior design is a He was a presenter on cowboy builders who used to go in there, and he'd be making them over on camera, presenting in his own right. But also he's an amazing set designer, So I worked with Ed on shows like Hair Wars. He designed that he decided, designed to show called Bachelor and then the great British menu. He's worked on that as well, so I managed to pick his brain about how the show's a maid of Orleans and outs and what goes into them. But also he shared with me some top tips on some resources where you can buy things. So if you need a cheap so far, or you need a rug or you need certain products because obviously a lot of these shows that I have lots of big budgets, and they want it to look amazing on a budget. He knows where to get everything. So I kind of went through his little black book off where you get the best products cheaply, so I hope you enjoy this interview with Edward Robinson. Or as I know it would. Robinson is weird calling you Edward Robinson. Just know you was Ed. Thank you for being on my part. Does anybody ever call you Edward Robinson?

spk_1:   6:04
I think I introduced myself to stop, probably off. See, when I do a makeover shows and set design, I get credited in the credits as Edward Robinson is my full name. Yeah, but bonus, I guess the only past record My mom in trouble.

spk_0:   6:20
I love that Love that head again. Thank you for being other pockets. Eyes looking through. I've known you. You're the reason. Really? Why? I started doing anything on television in into a design You gave me my first job on the Great into design challenge all those years ago on DDE I was looking through your website, every robinson I d dot com and you do everything. Your career is absolutely insane. So, like behind the scenes, you've worked on every interior design show, you know, changing room 60 minutes, great to design challenge. But then in front of the cameras present in a designer, you've done that cowboy builders and that. Then you do set designs as well. So hair wars and bachelor great British menu. How did you get into this world of interior design and working in a

spk_1:   7:11
way that you can you just decide to ward off? You actually remember more shows the line recite to offer. I think I could actually have done so many different chaise. I kind of actually fell into it by fluke. Bizarrely so, Actually, all those people that probably listening, thinking I'm studying film and TV interiors. I didn't study any of that at all. Actually, the fashion men's where two great university

spk_0:   7:35
did you eat? I never knew

spk_1:   7:36
that years ago, then back in 2000 or we now 2019 20 years ago, slightly showing my age about that. But it was kind of yes, we did this menswear degree. I just thought I would be the next John Galliano. You know, I'm a fashion brand, but actually, when I got into the industry, I very, very quickly realized this is not for May on. I see where you're at university. You're taught one thing. We never really talk. See what happens and, you know, really industry in real life. So I quickly after doing about three months for women's wear Brand called Joe's. It kind of quickly did the liver stint at Selfridges, earning a bit of money at retail. But they really bossy wasn't quite into it, so to speak. And then funny enough, my sister at the time. So I'm sure you've probably off. See, you know, and you might have cost her already safe European. Since she was the Holmes editor at BBC Good Homes magazine on dhe. She kind of just like the air. Get fashion. It's like Way wanted Thio. Well, how about getting like interiors or TV or radio? I really thought about that. I kind of did some work experience for a couple of magazines but worldwide over White City, and I really enjoyed it. And I went from magazine Could Eve, which is a woman's lifestyle. Maxine actually quite good. Lucky break because the lady that was the homes at a time, she went off on maternity leave and she left her job, roll down to the beauty editor of the time, and she sort of said, I did about work experience, you know, wet for nothing, traveling into London stuff, and you cut your teeth, if you like into the industry. And that was in the days where you know you didn't get paid for work Experience. What are you doing now? You have to get paid, but you just feel it. If it did it, really just go over there. Actually, they were really good because it was such a young magazine with not many people worked on. Everybody just go on with their aunt got stuck in Andi. The beauty editor was sort of like I got time to organize any chutes or locations. Could you Can you book them? So Yeah, it's crazy, Literally. Those persons is great. Which university? And then, if you suppose a state jobs and what not retailer that something landed in the BBC was quite kind of, you know, quiet moment. Really? So I did that for about six or seven months when I was getting paid loads. I think in those days it was public about to drew £200.2 pounds a week, which in the way that

spk_0:   10:19
you have Meteo

spk_1:   10:28
booking, calling in product starling it and then the three year Sorry. The beauty editor would then write up a copy. It would go into the magazine, but I get credited, which is was quite nice. Little centerfold pay so and there's no really that's where it all kind of spent from and safety. The time mentioned that it was this new interior design show on BBC one, and it was called Higher Front. But that of your men No. One with Lawrence Rambo in on Dermot Gavin. We didn't interior in the Garden when I went, There's a runner and I probably was doing a running job, maybe to shows. And then I think they realized, like, Let's go a bit of a flare. Maybe we can kind of, like, you know, up his up his game in a way. And then I was basically Lawrence when bones design a system, if you like for the entire run of the series. And that was brilliant because it was such a fun show. A topsy weapons. It's like our time.

spk_0:   11:28
He's crazy act. I met him. Emma. The ideal home show on Dhe. He is absolutely bonkers. Lovely, but absolutely bonkers. Yeah,

spk_1:   11:37
yeah, he is focused on actually hasn't changed that much. Mob sees age little bit. His dress sense his hair is current charisma. It's still really on point How it was before. No, not as camp, actually, kind of a bit more straight to stay. But I still remember those times when you would actually stand me out, you know, on a sheet day to pick up things like dry cleaning in a packet. Still cut, Sort of fill me with him, which is totally, like, not in my job description at all. But actually, in those days, Yeah, you just have to seem eager. So yeah, from their own. Really? And I think so have to hope for but three. Siri's offseason design assistant. Just calling a products. Do you love it? Started Bob. See the main office Lawrence Hamburg from So he got off the credit. Yeah, that's fine. Because you're cutting your teeth in your learning the trade on then from there don't really It just jumped to different types of makeover shows. I went straight on to changing rooms after that, which everybody will Yeah, because actually changed rooms is one of those shows that actually start the whole interior design makeover show trend. Did she like I think it was the first proper you know, interior design. Probably make it on TV.

spk_0:   12:51
Yeah, Big, Big. It was huge. It was very much like the ground force of gardening wasn't it's What started those shows

spk_1:   12:59
really showed a trend, which is television. Um, that you just showed a way of people. You don't have to get into your designer because I think in the back in the day people thought she wanted to Do I have a tape of your house You have to call in a professional? Actually, I think it really showed that, actually, just some really general D i Y technical abilities, anyone he can tackle it, whether it's good or bad, Everybody. I mean, I get a lot of people. They say they haven't got one creative design burying the body. Everybody does some people more competent than others? Some people aren't. You might make good choices, make bad choices. Actually, everybody knows what they like. What they don't like. Yeah, some people, maybe just a little bit. She's scared, you know, themselves. But hence why? We're way. Yeah. Did he make it do for them? If they get from their not really want man? I just got into a lot from makeover shows. Really. I mean, a few stints on Project Ladder. Was there a being a Yeah, grand designs to Starling, Really small little jobs here and there. But that's how you kind of Do you really build a reputation? You build up a report with producers, directors and production manager is not that kind of thing. Nazi Meeting lattes for the people of yourself meeting trades, decorators, carpenters forfeit the whole shebang on Dhe. And it's actually really important. Actually, as the years go by off the worked on a trillion property shows on fashion and lifestyle, that sort of thing. I get gas to come back to them, which is crippling because you built a reputation. But I think it's also really important, as you know, have a really good core team. Yeah, and I had to use yourself. And that's Dickie Stuart away. Another kind of like guys that we've used on the makeovers because But may I say I need that consistency off a good team? Yeah, but you just need to know that people could do the job properly. Yeah, and you know yourself. You know, you've done lots of gardening on interior design programs on off your little stint. Acting

spk_0:   15:03
works. Yeah, on, but But that's what I What I love is, you know, like you, you don't realize you're creating a Korean forging a career for yourself. Like you said, your CCTV is so full and then it and then something You stop and take stock and realize there's not that many people. You do what you do, or you know how as much knowledge is you have across such a wide, wide range of stuff. For example, when I know when we the interiors are masters was first being pitched around, you know, they went and brought you in, picked your brain and said, You know, we've got this idea for a show, but practically how can we make this this happened? What do we need? You know, you got the big money people, but they don't know on the ground force what? What actually takes you. So what was your job within interior design Masters, then? How are you?

spk_1:   15:55
Yeah, So we didn't take the time masters again. Brilliant show actually glued telly Bob's every week that went out. Yeah, I think it's been well received. The thing with that shows that they had this amazing idea that I had made in interior design show before That, though always quite famous for doing what they call an observational documentaries like one off things. But that obviously decided, Let's make a really big you know, BBC until design show on. I was brought here basically the first few weeks that unlocks your consultant basis. Really? Because I think I need the pressure manager there. Christine sold is amazing. And she actually worked with your cowboys, and she basically said, You got this massive world of knowledge, you know, haven't your design shows work and how should be made. Can we pick your brain? So I just did a couple of weeks working out that format, and their former, actually, when I met them, is very, very different to what it is on the TV now. So, yeah, they had their ideas were great, but I just think a it cost would have cost leads money. And for Matt Wise, it was just I think it would just wouldn't quite wiped because they just wanted I mean, it was a crazy thing they wanted. One of their idea was to have little football stadium full of furniture, lighting and accessories that we would all just buy in. And then the designers that we all know saw with them, visit this warehouse pick and choose bits, furniture. But as you can, as you can imagine, that the cost of

spk_0:   17:24
going to indicate

spk_1:   17:25
that his astral is astronomical in these hundreds, thousands of pounds the door. So just leftover clothes, a circus furniture and said that you could use So we kind of acts that often. Actually, it should be done. The design or they choose that goes with the room. You know, I don't think you should push them into a direction. Yeah, by providing the furniture, lighting accessories would almost be dictating to them. This is what you got to choose from. You need to kind of design around furniture, and it shouldn't be like that. You should give him free rein. Yeah, so thankfully, that was kind of quiet washing bed, but so they always look a lot different for that points to change, but I think for the better, Actually, I think what they created actually really sexy, glossy show. And I think almost, you know, actually is a good comparison to a lot of these American shows in the moment you're going on TV on. They have different TV laws that can kind of get away with a lot more with branded content and so much stuff. And I think the UK will go that way as well eventually. But we'll see you have a lot more stringent guidelines here. Yeah, so it's a lot more difficult to kind of, you know, black. Lots of you. Fucking spell it, Sharon. What not, but we kind of get around it. How

spk_0:   18:38
did? Because it's collaborated with Netflix. How did those because it was BBC and Netflix? How does that kind of thing happen? Like, what is the benefit of having a collaboration with BBC Netflix?

spk_1:   18:50
So it's It's interesting because a lot of generally is made independently for a channel or production company. There was hard in a production company to kind of make the ship go on. Channels will generally do that because it kind of it. It's almost like beginning. It's contracting it out like gets on else to Medicare. Less hassle for us. Just give him a letter money. They make it. Yeah, when collaborations have heard. It's a relatively new thing. I don't see Netflix or a massive giant, if you like. In the media industry on, there's a lot water collaboration is going on with Netflix, which is brilliant, but in a way of doing it, I don't get too involved in that side of things. But from what I'm aware, it works well because Officer Netflix have sex of cash.

spk_0:   19:36
Yeah,

spk_1:   19:37
that they can just inject into a production company or a particular format on there. Pretty much like they got it started off very much like That's fine before matters. Your idea. Just get on with it. Yeah, Where's Channel would have a lot? Maur say, If you like the positive, it's BBC. It's taxpayer's money. Yeah, it's

spk_0:   19:57
gonna be accountable, I imagine. Yeah, yeah, they want good diggers. Well, good content. I'm busy. And then

spk_1:   20:06
yeah, and then I think with me not. There was a slight difference on this occasion. Where is you know the show? Waas? It was on our show is never smell forties six minutes or something. Yeah, but the Netflix version office because they don't have commercials. It got slimmed down in the top 20 minutes

spk_0:   20:23
Oh, my God.

spk_1:   20:24
For each episode. Yeah. So what? Which is crazy, because actually doesn't sound a lot, but 20 minutes is a hell of a lot footage. Yes, to kind of cut down. So they compact it pretty much completely re edit each episode purely for Netflix. So I guess it had it, you know, it gets and its pros and cons, Really? I mean, it was get the bay had worldwide licensing. Yeah, the biggest. The BBC production. Yeah. Which subsequent out first, all of you. See, I understand it's going. Netflix Worldwide

spk_0:   20:55
has gone out now, and I've seen some edits of them in Spanish and stuff. So a ll the contestants, Errol the you know, so let Nikki or Frank being speaking Spanish, which I thought was hysterical,

spk_1:   21:06
Spanish bizarre to see you, But But that's also I guess, with Netflix that they've got the capacity on they've got that kind of like knowledge, you know, while the capacity and the money to come in to do that really vegging worldwide. They've got to constitute voiceovers for every single country. And you got to hire in voiceover artist of that that yes, which is a mammoth job.

spk_0:   21:29
Oh my God. Like I said for things on the show. So maybe somebody voiceover in me, you know it's

spk_1:   21:36
going to be Spanish.

spk_0:   21:39
The best of my mission is to try and find me in all these different languages.

spk_1:   21:50
Cross. Yeah, So I think it'll happen because I think the B a u C bray, please. Net texting. Very please. Yeah, I think it's had a really good it's been well received. Officer working with amazing phone call.

spk_0:   22:04
She was The door

spk_1:   22:05
remains. Isn't she adorable? That's what That's the nice thing about it. Work on these nutty shows created schedules, late nights, lots of travel But we actually get to meet work with really fun and creative People think that tick your show.

spk_0:   22:23
Yeah, it really was. It was. And because you see each other constantly weekly, you know you constantly cling. It's like the traveling circus wherever we went with a little patch up wth the shows, we are proper traveling circus things is in. A lot of people have asked me things that budget since on things for shows like back. I know that into the design shows general cost so much money. So you know, how much would a show like Chained like a cowboy? Builders are changing rooms. What were their budgets versus the budgets for something like into it?

spk_1:   22:56
Yeah, I think it depends on when that show's supposed to go out for a daytime TV. Generally, the budget's gonna be really low because of daytime TV. Obviously, people work all that out of the budgets were a lot lower, but to make a daytime Siri's if you liked, whether depending on its 10 episodes or 15 you're looking at about 750 grand, 100 grand

spk_0:   23:22
for the whole series, the whole save

spk_1:   23:25
the whole thing. Yeah, which, you know people listening will be like a £1,000,000 but actually it's Yes, it is. But it's not a lot of money. Yeah, so you know. And that's your that money officer goes on. Any locations paying for talent, pure presenters. We've got food, hotels, paste your crew, obviously the makeovers or what have you happen toe pay for so actually get swallowed up very quickly.

spk_0:   23:53
Does that include things like the edit and things like that? Then

spk_1:   23:56
you get it. So after World war with building and then a complete late now, which is the way it has to get cut big toe a show, editors, or maybe in the wrong job and it's charged.

spk_0:   24:12
And you can make it making breaker. Showing an idiot, you know?

spk_1:   24:15
Absolutely. Yeah, it's about the editing. A bad boy. Stay over, you know? Yeah, it's actually worked on shows, which would have been great fun. And we That's amazing work. But then they just edit it really badly. You're like, Oh my God, what's happened yet? You're right. Absolutely show.

spk_0:   24:33
And then an evening show of a primetime show. How much the

spk_1:   24:37
sky's the limit? Really compare something like I didn't exact figures. Frontier decide Masters, but I would say a minimum of about probably a 1,000,001 0.5 million to make his theories like that. Which is so much money, Tonto, like,

spk_0:   24:53
just give me that money. I'll go and do it. You

spk_1:   24:55
think that's not the Apprentice? Yeah, that's probably about three and 1/2 to show, too. And then, obviously, Big Brother, as we know it is it's a really big show. Three's

spk_0:   25:09
wow things. Something like Big Brother. You're creating you. Creating a lot of content is what you're feeling a lot of air time so that they that balance it with that and then they work out have it can sell it to other territories and things like that so they can make money is in different ways. Yeah,

spk_1:   25:23
and that's where you can get your money back to somewhere. Like if it's on terrestrial TV on a TV Channel. 45. That's all paid for. But if you like by advertising. So hence TV commercials. So they kind of wreaking their money back, obviously, because they're getting it through. Appetizing. Where's the BBC? Slightly different because there are new commercials on TV licence money. Yeah, so the opposite the rules of them are a lot of from So I have to be quite a stranger. Heads of state, sort of like a game show prizes. Yeah, one of you see, everything's all 19 trying for, you know, I'm a celebrity or if you're winning a car, yes, normally

spk_0:   26:03
you charge it's an advertising slot. Then, isn't it your car? Yeah. So on what was lovely about working with you on into design masters was obviously behind the scenes. You you know, you were what was your title on the show on the to design,

spk_1:   26:20
I was assigned to

spk_0:   26:23
make up a producer. I spoke to Gemma on this podcast use, I think another episode one. Actually, she explained, the whole you know how she you guys assisted the contestants and made sure they were in budget and all of that. But what I really loved about your role is you also designed. We called it the Hub. But like Michelle ago, Indians on face, you still actively had your creative chops on the show by designing that amazing space. Tell everybody about that space and what what your remit for that space was and what the limitations you had and what you had to deal with on that.

spk_1:   26:57
Yeah, it's a really interesting work because it's the same with all the sort of thesaurus shows that one locations or studios they never ever journey never have a budget for them. And it's always been article, and I think this is the same with anybody who works, not Parliament. Whether the TV and film is they've got their own budget for sort of to make it at the Fillmore you're a show, and then the art department is almost sort of 2nd 4 So if you like and then there's never any money and there's never any money to pay anybody, there's never anybody for us tow it or just stressing things on. Typically, you know, watching with this particular show was slightly the case. Even they did manage to shoot on some money from somewhere. So we lost. He brought on his design team to kind of help facilitate designers because we've worked on millions of these sorts of shows. We know how it should work near the ordering process. We're obviously on this, like, almost like project managing them, but without managing Yeah, because it's their designs. But we want to make sure that because we're in a short time scour their paint or flooring or any sort materials are ordered on time because those designers got their day jobs or the kids and family the office, you wouldn't still all themselves because the turnaround so quick so they're not even his designs. The weed helps source wallpaper paint fabrics off so they will choose the order signed all off. It was just all best. I give it an extra, helping you to get everything in and let's make sure arrived on time to write on locations, locations around the around the UK stuff on. Then another role jumped up. The fact that they we're going to use on this was a former point. It's well, it's a bit of format changes that originally they wanted to have, like a live studio at each location. So the judging would have happened at the location where we were filming and they were gonna do, like, kind of outdoor this morning topic kind of TV set with the sofa in a lamp, a rug or we might be in the park or a stately homes at the location where we're filming out, but obviously logistically that nightmare with, uh, all that sort of thing. So it was kind of Koi Bosch and they decided, Let's have a studio and actually they were gonna just use a really small rented studio space. But as the kind of weeks went on, it grew and grew grew into those humongous, since she does space

spk_0:   29:18
breakout rooms and also break

spk_1:   29:20
out break, which is often area where you can pull somebody, a designer or a contestant to another route, interview them or to get some gossip or whatever. So I'll see you and actually help because it breaks away, obviously from the main area so you can carry on filming other actual 18 things are happening. So as it got bigger and bigger and bigger than it was now, need a dressing room now very for makeup. But we need some weather. Eat. Before you know it, we'll have one little photographic studio in west London. Went to this humongous location in Dull still, which is at the Embassy Motors location, which is owned by the same family. That was the dragon's den locations. Okay, really good company to work with, but amazing location. Absolutely, Master. But you No, it was literally a disused, like a car mechanic. Yeah, it was pretty pretty grim inside, So not very wasn't TV friendly. So the exact store kind of cadets together for how we make this not nice, but without home to spend a huge amount of money. And they came to myself on the design team. Thought you could just d'oh d'oh d'oh! That they never refuse. The paint isn't a few cushions. You kind of think Yeah, it's Yeah, it was not easy what you drink themselves so But it was no amazing thing to do. Yeah, it's quite probable Polio. We didn't get a penny extra for it, but,

spk_0:   30:49
you know,

spk_1:   30:49
because we're working to get

spk_0:   30:53
paid. Yeah, I think that's what a zloty. You don't feel like being taken the piss out of you. Just everyone just get stuck in your state. You all just tickets for the good of the show. I mean, you know, you. But I was so you could be part of the solution, not the problem. So we just get on with it.

spk_1:   31:14
And it's almost like we're all working on the show. We come inside filming. Yeah, Sleet. The designers have been signed off medications for getting signed off, but started calling stuff in with people on. Then there's obviously what we're actually all in. It's a friendly Siri's. We're all really excited. You want to make this work, and of course, you know, we wanted Thio look great. So, you know, and actually, because as ourselves, we are Sinus. It was almost like our little thing that we could design for the show. We never get to do any of the actual design because the rial contestants doing it. Yeah, so it was just a nice little thing 202. So it probably took us. I think we turned it around about a week or two weeks. Dexter Design, which obviously then has to get sent off to the channel because the BBC had to sign all off because technically, they're paying for it. And there's a few little changes to throwing a few little pink. Other choices changes that kind of thing, but, oh, it was fine. But we have. The stickler we did have was the location. We weren't like fixing things their walls, because it's audio film location. And that's all state in which that kind of like a disused p paint wars and stuff. They didn't want us to fix everything Awards, which despairing. That's hence why we had to design these flats. Yeah, they're basically use as you never used in magazine and a tutorial on film, and they're just really quick and cheap way off change in the appearance of a location. So I know she just made up different sizes. Way chose a color palette, which was similar to the color palette off the actual. I don't function as in for the logo of the show. Yeah, and also those kinds of title. Quite trend

spk_0:   32:57
now is quick. What was lovely is we called her, but it was, you know, we'd all film throughout the week and then on the Friday and the state that I think on the Friday was it Some of the builders, myself included, would go down and get all of these flats and all this furniture that was stored in these big shipping containers. And then we put them all up, would have photographing like the space was huge. And we create, like Michele Benda hens off this area where the sofa was. That was the fake wall would build a fake wall and touch a penny flaking paint. That was where it cracked on this flat's on. Then assume was we'd have a whole day setting up. Then the next day you guys it come then on film, probably it was a Saturday, and they get eliminated or they kind of. And then what was quite funny is the guy's someone who'd get eliminated. Then they're going to a costume change, clear their tears away, and then they get presented with brief for the following week.

spk_1:   33:54
Turnaround? That was crazy. Like to say, while we're filming location, half the design team would go back to London. Yeah, to set up a studio which will be to date Yeah, on. Then get it already that we would then a ll descend the following day back at the studio like, say, yes over someone get eliminated. And here's get changed Almost like it's a new day It's a new show

spk_0:   34:18
before the tears away Self fail film it all And then by about six o'clock at night, Then the cameras had stopped and they're everywhere to go away. And then the builders had come in and pack everything back up to take, like, 45 hours and pack everything away back in the shipping containers. So the space was back so that they could use it for location. You know, the companies of the

spk_1:   34:42
That's the part that I actually really love to do that kind of set design side of things, Officer, I do Mike, the producing which William. But the set design is that we literally come into a space, transform it for two days, three days filming it. And then it all gets collapsed. Almost flat packed like yes, master shipping containers Don't get boxed up ready for another day. It's almost getting get out.

spk_0:   35:03
I love that, Yeah,

spk_1:   35:05
it's such a quick turnaround. That's why, again reverted back to a team thing. Need to have a really good, really good carpenters. Some people you can trust. Oh, so people know how TV works. So there's deadlines crazy hours or just, you know, they know how TV works always have friends who are all those who are carpenters or electricity. They always say, What? Let's be TV in TV and I always want to give him that lucky break, but the same time someone rocks up at night but then has t 11 What's leaving for? Yeah, you know

spk_0:   35:38
it's not gonna happen while others were, like, when need with, you know, designing the Hub or Michelle again to his office and stuff. And it's interesting. I I literally contacted you last week because me and my wife are choosing a new sofa on dhe dining chairs, and I went what sites did you use because all the furniture that was used in the Hub is the kind of style, the velvets and all the things that are on trend at the Mona, we don't spend a load of money, but I think Melissa's would probably know where. Where do you get all of that kind of staff on where you're So that, for example, did you use any of that kind of stuff? You Michelle a gun to his office first, actually. Or did she

spk_1:   36:11
So Liza Michelle's office that she even though it was gonna be the same film location, the producers want to make sure it felt very different to the rest of the set. So there were a few kind of super fake wall. Those are colored similar. But Michelle, as well as the present, wanted a very different look. The rest of set. I almost think it field separate, but also her own office. It's away if there are in the same plot, if you like. So she and I think she had three or four really key items that she wanted. These right mega designer pieces

spk_0:   36:46
was just so for one of them was the sofa. What

spk_1:   36:48
does that say for was,

spk_0:   36:53
it's a little special that went away in a special place that went away somehow, Didn't you? Got re bubble wrapped and sent off like loyalty.

spk_1:   37:02
It was like the queen of sofas that had its own little at its own proper trolley bubble wrap. And they went into its own container away actually went off site because we were all so paranoid of this £8000. Beautiful.

spk_0:   37:16
But, you know, it was common. What is comedy it, though the fact that it had to do that probably it was probably exposed tomb or things off potential damage than any of the other

spk_1:   37:25
stuff. Yeah, we get a ride on a trolley, then get Dori driven across London offloaded by some random person to a storage unit. I mean, actually, the damage waiver that was worse than have it just said on location with everything else.

spk_0:   37:39
Yeah, there we go. Okay.

spk_1:   37:41
That's what he wanted. So it was safe lamps on how cushions have desk. She was really persnickety about get exact items that she wanted. But generally, the majority of all the dressings on that set, because I think the step budget was about I think we spent about 17 grand. Yeah, on the set, which included or the flats in the paint furniture off the labors on top of that, but I don't know about you, but so 17 k, actually, in a lot of money, even if you think about it to do that, you set everything that was there. Yeah, was pretty good. Carry on. But we just added to actually, every week, kind of fresh, different

spk_0:   38:26
way. Where would you shop then? If you had a limited budget forthe sofas and that was your go to places?

spk_1:   38:35
I think, because again, TV no timescale whatsoever. I mean, we need to buy a little needed tomorrow. So you just have to find their sort shops. My favorite ones from a off your E bay. Um, e bay Amazon is brilliant. Use Amber's on every single day. I literally have to stuff arriving every single day. It's crazy, but felt your shops Me. A big favor of mine was a cult furniture on they They're really good because they do designer rip offs. Basically, Yeah. So you have seen amazing lamp or chair, but the original one costs, you know, maybe 4 £500. You could build you like a Really No, no, no, percent close. A match wrecked a car. You know, look under quit so you can get that designer look, but obviously not have to spend. You know that the designer prices So call Finishers, will you get the Rangers? Massive. Maybe quite retro. It's entry, but they do kind of critical pieces and they do everything furniture, our work, you know, book shells, bad, everything. Everything. You kind of need to kind of create a look. That's what you get on a budget on. Then there's the usual terrorists, a little sweeties, cos everybody knows.

spk_0:   39:50
Yeah,

spk_1:   39:51
I tried. I try and stay away from them to this most possible because the eye care look at everybody knows it's really gonna look toe. Yeah, it's a scanty luck on. I just think you can see something from Mike here. Great it easily, too. But actually, they're really good things that causes glass where mugs, fabric, that's all thing. And maybe the occasional piece of attitude could be quite clever. Maybe customers that will change it to look a bit different. Good thing about all these off the shelf. Yeah, And you can get on the same day sometimes when things go wrong with some arrived. It's broken or doesn't quite work. Least you know you can off there no substitute of something else. So that would be one and then 20. Birth doesn't come. I use recently on the show which showed in Manchester was furniture 123 on their mail order company on again. They're a bit like they do amazing sells furniture, But again, cheeks, chips and their deliveries really quick the normal in a couple of days. So I've used those a lot, lots of times that what's beds in velvet sofas off developed. So from someone like John Lewis is gonna be a couple of ground and you can buy almost identical same so far right for him to quit. So, you know, you know, looked her. It might not last for years and years and years because, obviously, you know, you pay for what you get. But for a TV, Satch, if you want to create that amazing look, those sorts of shops work ideal on then point my most favorite shop, which I'm sure everybody knows about his home sense.

spk_0:   41:29
Home sense is a bit like T. K. Maxx, isn't it? It's the same kind of green up kind of thing.

spk_1:   41:35
Yes, it's owned by T. K. Maxx. The T. K Maxx group on home senses almost like it's the interior furnishings arm of fashion side of it, if you like on their brilliant, it's obviously no more. So on the outskirts of town in London, they're out in the sticks but off. So they're kind of nationwide these days on the brilliant, and they are just the most amazing, you know, relatively cheap arsenic. They are expensive pieces, but generally everything's cheap as chips, and you just get a really good designer. Look, if that's the kind of vibe going for, But why quite like that, in a way, is that you can turn up one day and they'll have loads of really cool stuff. You'll go back another day on. There will be nothing. I'll be crowned, but it's just really good for accessories as well. So if you're looking for things to fill shells with, you know, like what's the word something, fellas? Space for the

spk_0:   42:25
space fillers.

spk_1:   42:27
First. Don't get

spk_0:   42:30
everyone. Everyone's the same. Yeah, way we went. We worked together. I helped you style the great British menu. We had, like the house like that, where they all lived on Guy think you remember you getting loads right? Way fair and dough now, Millman. But you you remember the producer's coming in to look at it. And it was like the big cheeses that arrived in that to sign off on that. You got it. You got

spk_1:   42:53
it?

spk_0:   42:54
Yeah. Yeah. You got the rugs when you said you got Where was the rugs from? Everyone was going on about in the lounge.

spk_1:   43:02
I just thought, What? I've just moved house. I just bought these rugs from my living room and that's coming called the Nietzsche on. They are brilliant. And again, you know, they do these really, really great looking designer drugs, But I just don't cost the earth. And I think the high street's breathe that now. So we need different shops that actually you can access that designer look without having to spend, you know, stacked to catch. Because we've got stacks of cash anymore. Wait.

spk_0:   43:25
Yeah. No, no, no. There's no

spk_1:   43:27
need to That's thing. There's no need to be spending thousands of parents and stuff. Generally, if you can create that look for a cheaper than? Why not come here? So right now?

spk_0:   43:35
Absolutely, Ed, It's been an absolute pleasure having you my protest. But I always ask at the end of every podcast, every guest I asked them. Thio, describe to me your dream room so it could be something you already have or something you aspire to. And also, what drink is you have in your hand while you're in your room?

spk_1:   43:57
Oh, I get it. That's so treat your toe. Be put on the spot What is my my car? My dream room. Okay, well, I have a big passion for designer called Drunken Atilla, who is a American is actually ceramist is bizarrely started off being ceramicist made gorgeous. Potts was actually read into interiors on his interiors are absolutely sublime. Gorgeous fabrics and furnishings and lighting on these were any issues down the states. It's good if you shopped in the UK It's huge in the States by really love that collide mid century Hollywood glamour kind of field, living room. So gorgeous fabrics, interesting artwork, photography, coffee table books on interesting lighting's that's gonna be in love, and I love actually indoor plants, lots of big failures, Big palms big banana leaves. Makes for really luxurious bed. Like a home from Hollywood. Yeah, on a favor on that all reflects really from a moment of my favorite destinations his Palm Springs in the States. So little two and 1/2 hour drive from L. A, which is quite handy. I don't get you don't get to go as often as I work But I've been a few times. I've got some friends, their properties, all that I just really love the iconic mid century Look on all the properties there. See the sunshine. So this thing that the sunshine state it suddenly all the time. So everywhere there. Brilliant. So I really gotta get horny free life interiors.

spk_0:   45:27
Yeah, absolutely passionate, man.

spk_1:   45:30
It sexy. Yes, really passionate from place. So hopefully one day I'll retire. That

spk_0:   45:36
and what you're doing. What you doing, woman?

spk_1:   45:38
Drinking. Look and give him that. I had a cup of tea before you rang, but my iconic trick would go to to actually, I can't choose between them. It would be a dark and stormy on dhe, which is black rum on, then maybe like treating you

spk_0:   45:56
never go wrong with it in time Eddie. Very way to contact. You earned your social media's. Where? Where can people find you?

spk_1:   46:04
Yeah, I want my website actually needs overhaul. That's Edward roberts dot com. There's a little bit of info on there but me and walked on TV behind the scenes and things like That's That's probably quite good Want to look at on Instagram AM, which is a member Robinson. I think it is e. D. So there are myself on that one, less Facebook as well, which helps ease my name. But generally Facebook's Kirsten but instagram banging my website. But the best? Well, I'm on Twitter, but Twitter feed is

spk_0:   46:40
now. You'll check after we finished. It's been an absolute pleasure speaking to you, my dear, dear friend, and thank you.

spk_1:   46:47
Thank you.

spk_0:   46:49
Bye bye. What did I tell you? I told you he was a fountain of all knowledge. There's so much that goes into making these interior design shows on dhe so much that's involved with creating them on without Ed, they wouldn't be the shows that they are today on. I think he's one of the reasons that into design masters on the Great Interior Design challenge have proved to be, too the biggest into design shows on TV. He's also a really cool guy. I really like him, and I hope you liked his little black book off where to get some great products and great cheap products. And so many times I've rang him and I mentioned it in the interview. Look, where did you get that sofa from? Or, you know, where can I get this? You know, we want to update our our lounge, and he always knows, and he's always happy to help in oblige and steer you in the right direction. So I really hope you enjoyed listening to that. Now, as we come to the end off the podcast, I just want to say thank you once again to my sponsors. Thorne down on Dhe. I couldn't do this podcast without their support on. They are, as always, amazing. Like I said at the beginning, they're offering a 15% discounts. If you go to Thorne down dot co dot UK and put in the code TV Carpenter, you'll get that 15% discount, but also a huge thank you to you guys. I have had some amazing e mails on messages on my social media. People have contacted me, Wayne Perry on Instagram and Twitter just to say how much they're enjoying the show. Andi, you know, they've had some great responses from previous episodes, particularly the one last week with Frank and with Cassie. They're really enjoying it. And it just makes my job so much more pleasurable knowing that people are listening to this on dhe enjoying it. But if you have any questions for me or you have any ideas for any contestants, contestants for any guests that you would like on the show, don't forget again to contact me on Wayne Po on Instagram and Twitter. But all that's left for me to say is thank you to you and thank you for listening to the TV. Oh!