In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, you’ll hear Doug Smith interview Clint Hurdle, Former Manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates on the topic of transitioning well in leadership.
About Clint Hurdle:
Clint Hurdle is the former manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates, a position he held for nine seasons, earning him the title of NL Manager of the Year in 2013. Before working with the Pirates, Clint managed the Colorado Rockies and helped them achieve the 2007 National League pennant. Clint formerly played baseball for the Kansas City Royals along with the Cincinnati Reds, St. Louis Cardinals, and New York Mets and was featured in Sports Illustrated in 1978.
Key Take Aways from the Interview:
Quotes:
“You model the behavior you want to instill in others.” – Clint Hurdle
Conversation Link:
In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, you’ll hear Doug Smith interview Clint Hurdle, Former Manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates on the topic of transitioning well in leadership.
About Clint Hurdle:
Clint Hurdle is the former manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates, a position he held for nine seasons, earning him the title of NL Manager of the Year in 2013. Before working with the Pirates, Clint managed the Colorado Rockies and helped them achieve the 2007 National League pennant. Clint formerly played baseball for the Kansas City Royals along with the Cincinnati Reds, St. Louis Cardinals, and New York Mets and was featured in Sports Illustrated in 1978.
Key Take Aways from the Interview:
Quotes:
“You model the behavior you want to instill in others.” – Clint Hurdle
Conversation Link:
This is the L3 Leadership Podcast, Episode 261. Hey, podcast, family. And welcome to another episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, where we are obsessed with helping you grow to your maximum potential and to maximize the impact of your leadership. My name is Doug Smith and I am your host. And in today's episode, you'll hear me interview Clint hurdle. This was actually the second time that I got to interview Clint and people always ask me, you know, do I have a favorite interview that I've done? And I certainly just can't pick one, but I can tell you that in the top five would certainly be the first interview that I had with Clint. And if you've not listened to that, I encourage you to go back and episode number one 23, it's phenomenal. And it was just such an honor to get to sit down with Clinton again. Now, for those of you who may not be familiar, Clint was the former manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates here in Pittsburgh and did a phenomenal job leading the team. And what I love about Clint's, he didn't just do a great job on the field. He made a huge impact in our city off the field, and that's what I love about him. And unfortunately he got relieved of his duties as manager in the fall. And we talk about that in the interview and he's going to be moving out of our city here in a little bit. And so it was such an honor to get to sit down with him again, and you're going to love this interview. We talk about what he learned through transition. We talk about leadership. We talked about so much and I got to take them through the lightning round, which I didn't get to do the first time. So you're going to love this interview. And for those of you love Clint, if you just go to Clint hurdle.com, he has an email list and a text list that you can get daily motivational emails from Clint, and they're phenomenal. I've been subscribed to them for two years. And so every day I wake up with something in my inbox from Clint, that's going to fire me up and for the day. And so again, go to Clinthurdle.com and sign up for that, if you will. And with that being said, we're going to dive right into the interview. But before we begin just a few announcements. This episode of the podcast is sponsored by Beratung Advisors, the financial advisors at Beratung Advisors, help educate and empower clients to help make informed financial decisions. Find out how Beratung Advisors can help you develop a customized financial plan for your financial future. Please visit their website at beratungadvisors.com, securities and investment products and services offered through Waddell and Reed, inc member FINRA, and SIPC Beratung Advisors, Waddell and Reed, and L3 Leadership are separate entities. Hey leader, we tell you all the time here at L3 Leadership that you should never do life alone, but in community. And that's why I want to challenge every single one of you to become a member of L3 Leadership. When you become a member of L3 Leadership, you all have access to our community of leaders who are willing to encourage you, support you and hold you accountable for going after your goals. You'll also have access to monthly live webinars that we do with nationally known leaders, monthly Q and a and hot seat hours for our members where you can troubleshoot the issues that you're having with your goal and get live real time feedback on them to help you develop a plan to overcome those issues. You'll have access to every course that we ever create. You'll have access to every L3 One Day talk we've ever had and so much more. And all this is available for just$25 a month. In fact, we believe so much in the product that we're willing to give you your first month for just$1 that's right. If you sign up today at l3leadership. org. Your first month of membership is just$1 leader. Don't grow another minute without having a community of leaders to what you can go to and grow with. Sign up today l3leadership.org. And with all that being said, let's dive right into the interview. Here's my interview with Clint hurdle. It's an honor to sit down with you again, and that's just fun to get to know you over the past four years. I'm curious on the leadership end. Um, you've gone through two transitions as managers, once Colorado, once in Pittsburgh, I reached out to you right after the transition happened here, and then your response, and you've said this all along. You said this in our first interview, you said to me, Doug, I told people if God wants me in this seat, no one could stop me from being in it. And if God doesn't want me in the seat, no one could stop me from not being in it. Can you just talk about how you've learned to manage transition when it comes to your identity as a leader, how you process that? I just want to hear you speak on that.
Clint Hurdle:I was humbled and honored to be the manager of the pirates for nine years. I never took the position lightly. I never took it for granted. I also wanted to represent the city and I knew that representation wasn't just on the ball field. It was on in the community. It was in the neighborhood at giant Eagle at Walgreens at Brewster's wherever we were. It's a part of it. And you never know when somebody's going to come up and want to strike up a conversation or ask you a hard question or sometimes to wear you out a little bit verbally. Um, I wanted to represent the name on the back of the Jersey, my family name, um, because I carry that with me everywhere I go. And I wanted my family. I wanted my kids to see their dad as a servant, a public servant. Yeah, he's the manager of the team, but he's a public servant and he's my dad. And I wanted to exhibit and model the behavior that would instill them solid core principles growing up how I treated the neighbors, how I acted in the community. I act in my own hall, um, how I handled tough stretches of seasonal play, uh, or, you know, they would hear negative comments publicly, um, when the team's not playing well or based on my decision making abilities or lack of them, I just think it made it healthy for the whole family to be realistic and optimistic all the time. Um, and for them to see their father model positivity, no matter what. And to know that truthfully, you know, you either believe in God's word or you don't, it's not, I kind of believe in what he says or I, I believe this part of what he says, I believe with all my heart that he wants good for me. And I need to find ways to embrace hard when there's hard times for me, because life is going to be hard. The speed of life is going to be are people are going to be messy. I'm going to make mistakes. I'm going to let people down, not by choice. Uh, however, how I react to those situations is so there's so much more value, um, in, in pushing through hard times and coming out the other side and showing my kids the rewards of being steadfast and being persistent and being resilient and, and continuing to work together in a team concept. So hopefully that can give you some, some kind of light on what I've tried to do here.
Doug Smith:I mean, in the nine years that you've been here, I've never seen someone be able to come into a city and build the influence and make the impact that you've made in the community. I mean, it's absolutely huge. And you're going to be, you know, moving in a couple of weeks in, you were said, you know, you're saying all your goodbyes, I'm sure you're busy every hour of the day, sing by with people that you've impacted. I just two questions, just one. What do you, what did you do intentionally to, to build that influence and impact and what message, what do you want to leave Pittsburghers with as, uh, as you started another season,
Clint Hurdle:As I shared with you earlier to have a really good line of questioning, there's value in it, there's thought in it and there's roots to it. It's not just noise. It's not just, I watch podcasts. You watch podcasts where they're just stay kind of flying by the seat of their pants, but you're intentional. And the word I've tried to keep in play for a long time in my life now is being intentional. Um, I wanted to be intentional when I was here. I wanted to be real. When I was here, I wanted people to see, to see the leader of their team as a human being, um, as a man of value, a man of faith, I'm a team player, the people that worked in the pirates organization and the player development side, I believe to this day will tell you, I believe in the chain of command, I answered to Neil Huntington. I answered a Frank Coonley. I answered to Bob Nutting. Also. I wanted to make their jobs easier. One of my goals coming into this, this challenge here was to make everybody's job easier. Patty Salerno's job, easier, Monica Robinson's job, job, easier, Cal Stark's job easier. Um, whoever I came in contact with make their job Neil's job easier. Um, so intention, um, and also the fact that I wanted to live that, that awareness of seeing people and listening to people. I don't have all the answers I have experienced. I have more than some. I have less than others, uh, but I never wanted to bring in an era of better than, um, or less than I felt every time somebody was in front of me, they're the most important person in my day, but that at that point in time, so I was intentional in building relationships that way in and out of the community. And I spent as much time, more time talking to people outside of the pirates organization since I'd been back, um, for a lot of reasons, but I've had, we've had friends, I've had men pour into me here. I have had men helped me. And what I've been blessed with here, men that tell me what I need to hear, not what I want to hear. I've also seen through a job transition when you're not the manager, that a lot of people in my life at that time would look at me, but they answered to the role. They answered to the title because I don't hear from them anymore. And it's not bad. It's not good. It's what it is for a lot of people. You're not in that. You're not in their eyesight. You're not in that vacuum. Um, but I still have people reaching out to me, loving on me, support me, challenging me, um, from that aspect. Um, and then to leave the city of Pittsburgh first and foremost, thank you from the middle of our hearts, our entire family. Thank you for the opportunity to serve here. Thank you for the opportunity. Um, to, you know, I heard somebody call once"a revival on the river". The pirates organization, had a lot of hard work, and there's, there's so many fingerprints on success. I think we can lose sight of that from some time. Uh, I was gifted to work with some very talented people, and there was a lot of fan support. I mean, you look at the numbers, the attendance to think back to the blackout game. When there's three generations of families at that, a grandfather, a father, and a son or a grandmother, a mother, and a daughter celebrating wins, celebrating success for three seasons.
Doug Smith:So your, your last time we talked, that was still your favorite memory. Is that, is that probably your favorite?
Clint Hurdle:Most recent? I have two very favorite to go into the world series to win that crazy wild card game in Colorado game one 63 with holiday at home plate and go there. But that wildcard game, I've done heavy lifting in both places, but we did some severe meal. Kyle and I, and Frank did some severe heavy lifting here in Pittsburgh. And to get to that point, to be able to step back and see that crowd, hear the crowd early in the day, coming in, across the bridge and then for it to be the blackout and then for the game to play out the way they did and then the fans to not quedo and the ball dropping the homers by Martin, it's still goosebump time. And they still hear people talk about it is so exhilarating and rewarding. And I do, I do want to share this because when I got here, one of the things I realized earliest people in Pittsburgh, what I found out is that there was a lot, there was some embellishing in one specific area. I must have had a hundred thousand people tell me they saw mass hit the walk off home, run against the Yankees. In 1960, I went back and looked at forums, feel the tenants. It held 38. Well, since that game, the blackout game, how many people have told me they were there? And I know we hold 40,000 max jammed in as tight as against So, but that's the beauty of it. Yeah. And was the beauty of what we're able to do. And obviously it wasn't all laughs and it wasn't all high fives the whole way through. However, I want to thank the city of Pittsburgh. And the one thing I would leave them with is my belief for them. The best is yet to come. Somebody else is carrying that torch.
Doug Smith:That's awesome. Before we dive into the lightning round, um, you've talked a lot about just seeing people and uh, and you're present with people. I mean, again, the consistent message I got from your first podcast was just be where your feet are. And actually I heard you speak a man up a few weeks ago and I never heard you talk about the men who led you to Christ, but you made a statement that that was so powerful. You said they saw me. They saw beyond just my athletic ability and no one had ever done that before. And you kind of alluded to it just from the now as coach with people who are really loving you, you're seeing beyond just you're the manager of the pirates. Can you just talk about loving people for who they are even, I'm just bringing up the past, but when you did the interview with me, you said, Doug, I hope that, you know, you don't feel like you have to be the CEO in a steel tower in our city to spend an hour with me. I just love your heart. Can you just talk more about how that impacted you?
Clint Hurdle:It was a very good life lesson for me at a very important time. Um, we all can get caught up in the fastest, the shyest, the newest, the quickest, the prettiest. No, I'm an ex manager now I'm not a manager. Um, I've been an ex-husband. And at that point in time, the age of 17, I'd already been through a lot of coaching. My dad was my best coach for the longest time. And then as I moved up, I got other coaches to pour into me, to share with me. However, the attraction and the learning curve was always based towards sport directed towards sport. I played all three. I was in basketball. Uh, I made a feeble attempt at track one, but the running thing is never straight. But with basketball, football, and baseball, I was very gifted in two of those sports basketball, I was just the guy you wanted on your team. I would pass the ball. I would rebound. I would block out. I dive on the ball. I'd dive on the floor for a loose ball. Um, football and baseball were my skillsets at that point in time. I mean, the guys that coached me were gravitating to a skillset. I wasn't aware of big brother. I didn't need big brothers and big sisters. I come from a loving family. My family loved me. I had friends. I think that loved me neighbors that did. But as far as that one on one, it was always sport related. It was always tactical. It was always fundamental Swain, a catcher throw mechanics of everything. So looking back at somewhat sterile because there wasn't a talk a lot of talk about what, what do you love to do? What are your hobbies? Do you like to throw the Frisbee? Do you like to surf? Well, I wasn't very good at throwing the Frisbee. I liked it. I never surfed. We lived in a close to the beach town. All my friends took that Avenue surfing. I stayed and played ball. Well, coaches gravitate to that. Oh, you're you're, you're dedicated. I probably just wasn't any good at surfing a few times I tried it. I was that guy, if I wasn't good at something right away, it was out. So when I went to the church at first Baptist and Merritt Island, I had two men that one of them was kind of funny. He says, so if you lived here long, I said, yeah, I lived here all my life. Most people knew who I was. It's not that they didn't know who I was. They really wanted to know who I was. Wow. That's powerful. Um, not that that's hurdle's kid or her that's, you know, he he's the quarterback or no, it was like, what's your name? Where do you live? Second street. What do you, do you have any hobbies? And then the baseball football thing would come into play, but they cared about my soul. They cared about my eternity. They cared about, uh, my thought process. What I was feeding myself, what I was filling myself with. And they poured into me. It's kind of funny. Cause after Easter, this year, I called up Len Turner lens in his eighties and we had a conversation and it was like a hair. His voice was like, I was 17 again. And the third Pew at the first Baptist church, we were not hearing this man talk, hearing this man preach here. This man share him and his wife, Patsy. And it all kind of came back. So they were the first two that actually grabbed me by the shoulders and said, we want to get to know you. We want to see you. We want to love you. And we want to lead you to Jesus and we want to help grow you up. Um, and that just presented with me. And I always looked for that. More of that. I didn't get a lot more of that, but when I got it, it was special and I appreciate it. And I just kinda kept it in my mind if I liked it so much, I bet other people would as well, uh, just to see them where they are and not get caught up in the brand of clothes they're wearing or the job title that they have right now. Um, because some people are this close to pop in something, you know, for the best is yet to come. They're not there now, but they're about to, and they don't even know. It just love them and love them where they are.
Doug Smith:Let's dive into The lightning round. Uh, these are just a bunch of fun questions. I love to ask leaders. I need a seatbelt buckle up. Uh, first question. What is the best advice you've ever received and who gave it to you? Oh, we got it.
Clint Hurdle:My dad, life's not fair. Figure it out. If you're looking for fair, it's not happening here. Wow. Um, and one of the things he shared with me all the way through my playing career was there's always going to be players and people that are smarter than you. They got more talented, but you should never be outworked or never be up prepared. Um, the other part I learned in a program that I, I still spend a lot of time in is, and that's in AA. Um, the best advice I ever got was I can't control what other people say, think or do for many years I tried. I don't even know if I thought I could, but I tried. I tried hard. And what I realized is that just wore me out and it exposed a lot of insecurities that I had than myself. So those, those two pieces of advice would they ring true today?
Doug Smith:If you could put a quote on a billboard for everyone to read in Pittsburgh, what would it say
Clint Hurdle:The best is yet to come
Doug Smith:What's the best purchase you've made in the last year for a hundred dollars or less.
Clint Hurdle:We've got a bunch of these, any toy I've ever bought for a dog? My, our dog, any, any, anything of flowers that I've ever bought on her? A hundred bucks who doesn't like getting flowers. And every time I buy a journal, it's the best gift that I could buy for under a hundred bucks, because I have found out this one's John three 30 increase, but to buy a journal and to use it, not as a paperweight, but to write that resonates with me. When I write, I learned better, I can look at a screen or a tablet and I get this much out of it. But when I write it, when I take those words off that tablet, put them on paper and read them. Now I have a chance of making them real wow. And living them.
Doug Smith:Do you journal about your personal life or justlike reflect on what stook out to you?
Clint Hurdle:A bit of everything. It's a mess sometimes because it's just such certain times I just grab it and I, and I scribbled something down or thought that it's me or something I learned because I carry that book with me because in my mind, I want to maintain the, the mindset of being a lifelong learner. I think we, we may have talked about this before the white belt mentality. We came up with it in our organization, Bernie holiday, one of our mental skills coaches and Cal stark and I, and everybody in the room. We talk about what some of us talk about more than others, but to be a white belt, I have a white belt mentality. My son showed it to me when he joined karate, because I said, what would belt you get? And he was the white belt that I go. So what does that mean? He goes, you know, nothing, you have an opportunity to learn everything. Wow. I grabbed my journal and I said, you know the opportunity to have opportunity whenever. And it's 62. Now I still want to maintain a white belt mentality. I want to learn. I want, I want to learn something today. I've already learned something from you today. So I'm off to a good start. I love it. What's a book that's impacted you deeply that you give away most often a lead for God. Say God. Yeah. Well, but there's, there's so many, I've I've been able to read now more than ever. Um, the Alchemist by Paulo Coelho. I read it the first year. It was out. That was 25 years ago. Cause this year is the 24th and 25th anniversary of that book. And I read it again. Um, that book, gosh, there's so many when it comes to book, Sebastian's younger book called tribe. I just read, I read I'm reading the circle maker, Mark Patterson. Um, love to read. Just love to read. So that would be a couple, I've got a friend, that's got a new book out. Jason remodel used to work for ESPN. It's called the uniform of leadership. And I can't wait to dive into this. Guy's got a great lens and he's a really good man.
Doug Smith:Do you listen to podcasts?
Clint Hurdle:I do too. I do. Um, I don't have a GoTo. I spread out and I'll listen to somebody for a couple months, three months and I'll look for somebody or, you know, cause you always get those seeds to go somewhere else. Or if you like this, Ted talks are my go to start with. And I'm so I've been so ingrained now and through the quarantine that, you know, when you sign up for Ted talks, now they'll tell you what you need. They'll know, they'll, they'll share with you. Hey, you, you may like this one based on what you've preferences you've marked, but the Ted talks are fantastic. Um, and then it's just individual guys that, you know, sometimes people, other people haven't Greg, Laurie, and in California, I listened to, um, I really appreciate that Maxim, keto, I list, I appreciate his lens. Um, but then there's a lot of guys, you know, professionally within the industry and out of the industry, people that I, that I listened to as well. It's not all, all faith based, but a lot of it is tied to faith. What's your biggest leadership peeve. I believe there's, I believe there's beauty in honoring the exit sports, I guess. I don't know, but when they're, when they're removed, as I was, sometimes I really believe your accent is more important than your entrance was. Cause you, when you, when you met her, you talked about what you're going to do. Um, and you know, we're in a political climate right now where there's election coming up and people have been in play for going to be four years and four years where they talked about what they were going to do. Then they're going to share what they have though. They have know what they wanted. And too many times in sport, I see it. When the leaders go out, sometime they're there, they're kicking and screaming. It's fair from, from their vantage point. Um, I just believe you, you honor the position and most importantly, you want to give the next group or the next man that's coming in it's level, ground, where he can get some traction and it's still not a storm brewing or there's discontent or there's malice. There's anger. There's an angst. Um, when I was removed, I was very quiet for the longest time. I didn't want to go public with anything. I knew what had happened. I knew how it played out. Um, and I didn't want to be a distraction for anybody. I want to be a distraction for anybody and Ben Cherington, Travis Williams and Derek Shelton. I mean, it's a first for Derek show. I can't imagine being a manager being on the job for 300 days without managing a game. And the challenges that Travis and Derek are going through. This is a great city to be a part of. This is, this is a historic organization. So I do think my biggest leadership pet peeve is not enough of us have figured out the exit part of it. We love coming in and we love that new contract. We love that extension. And then when it shifts and it maybe has the other way, are we still thankful and grateful or are we yelling and screaming? When do we feel violent?
Doug Smith:Yeah. I've never heard anyone talk on that. But uh, I thank you for exiting well and sharing that with us. Um, I like to ask the leaders, what's a bucket list item that you've crossed off that you're like, everyone needs to experience.
Clint Hurdle:I don't know what this is for certain people, but things you don't want to do. I didn't ever want him to ride a horse. I'm afraid of horses, horses, no afraid of horses. I was asked to go on a retreat and we had great minds of where I'm at, where I started, where in Colorado went on retreat. And he said, you got to pick three things that you don't want to do. I'm like, this is gonna be the most horrible retreat ever you go and you pick things you don't want to do well at the time I did not fly fishing. That's a, I fish my whole life and I got the rod reel thing down. I'm good. Salt, fresh water lure bait. Good. Almost professional in substance when I was a kid, but the five fish and all that work. I mean, how can you relax and think, I mean, well, you know what? It turned into be one of the most relaxing, fun things that they did in Colorado. And I was there cause we had the opportunity, but initially yuck, just little bitty flies. Oh, you do this, you know, riding a horse, scared to death. What a great trick on it. Because everybody that has signed up for this, you know, some people loved horses. So they were, it was a gas. I did not walk to get on this horse. I wanted no part of this, but I didn't do it as a Oh here's Buttercup. Okay. You know? Okay. Jill, you need to ride Buttercup. Okay. Bill your next. Oh, here's rainbow. And he ride rainbow. Okay. Here comes Widowmaker. Hey Clint, here's your heart. My horses' name was Widow Maker. It was the biggest scariest horse I had ever seen. And I got on that horse. And it was the most stiff horse ride in human beings. Probably every hat ever had for over an hour. And there were people in our path now, Ben and Ryan, and I don't think I ever got into our stride, but when I was done, I couldn't spit for a whole time at the end of it. Now what I knew that yeah, I might, but I mean, for so much of my life, I would say the third thing was firing up anti guns. My dad had guns in the house. She getting deer. I've never wanted to shoot a gun and never want to shoot a gun. I can remember going out with Kelly was actually in his group that they trapped. You shoot a gun. The first shot I hit the target and I took the gun and I put it down and I walked away because I said, you know, I just kind of kidding. Well, I don't know what's next. Who wants to go bowling? Now I'm on a lot of trap shooting. Bob's place up at seven Springs. I enjoy it now. But for some reason, for the longest time, I was just not, I don't now, now I'm not going to do it now. And then, you know, I've had my wife, Carla goes out, Maddie, Maddie, and don't trash him. Christian loves it. So, but I would encourage them, whatever it is. You absolutely think you don't want to do, do it one time. I love it. I've never heard that either. I, on the other end, is there anything on your bucket list said, you actually do want to do that. You haven't done yet. That you're looking. I came really close, but I want to go surfing and Honolulu. I grew up in a surfing town. My buddy served, uh, it was back when Ron Jon surf shop was about as big as this building. And now it's three stories on cocoa beach and boards were nine feet long when it all, when it all broke the scene, the surfing scene broke. And there's still a part of me. I don't know if I could even do it to get up on a board. Good. However, there's still probably one more, one more trip up to catch away. One more way of to catch for me somewhere along the line. Do you, uh, you could spend time with a lot of leaders and you love asking questions. I'm just curious. Do you have a go to question or two that you always ask when you get a meeting with the leader? Um, there is, and you know, you, I worked my way into, it's not the first question I, I asked him.
Doug Smith:What do you like about yourself?
Clint Hurdle:It's a question you don't get asked much. However, the answers are very revealing and, and I've actually had some guys by giving me no and they go, you know, I've never been asked that before. I need to think on that. Well, that's revealing in of itself because I think we all need to get to a point where yes, we need to realize where our weaknesses are and where those skills and all that. I think we also need to find a way, the sooner we can find the meaning or the, the actuality of liking ourselves, knowing theirselves and being ourselves, then we're on to something and to truly know who you are and just to be that guy and to actually like that guy and not to beat that guy up when he makes a mistake, because nobody's perfect. Nobody bats a thousand. And what can that guy learn from the mistake? Because many times I think the mistakes there, God likes there are lessons to be learned. And what happens when you don't learn a lesson? You usually get that lesson again. I mean, and in the circle of life, I really believe that if you don't learn a lesson, you'll continue to get situations that will help you walk through that lesson or through that step. When you like about yourself, I like going, continuing to learn. I like that. I want to learn. Um, I need, uh, I need to continue to develop myself in my awareness because as much as I want to be with my feet are a hundred percent of the time. I'm not, my wife is so good with gentle reminders and nudges, and then sometimes just a direct hit. Right. Hey, I just asked you a question, I'm sorry. You know, before, what do you mean you ask me, but I mean, that's over time. It's just like, I'm not my fault. I acknowledged my, my, uh, my weak spots. Uh, my words and my wife loves me in spite of him. Carl loves me in spite of we had have conversations when you drive somewhere together, you know, we've, we had quiet time for it to be a 48 hour date. And I was telling you about, we haven't had a date and seven months, I just turn off. Um, we have 48 hours together and we talked about the random, this is what we talked. So that was awesome. And the honesty involved, she wasn't my best friend. I'm only married. She's my best friend now. And she sees me for me and she's really helped me just find ways to continue to be that guy have to work, to be the best version of that. Anything else you want to leave leaders with their, anyone listening to this, do the work there's days. You don't want to do the work, do the work there's days. You don't feel like it feel like, and I'm not a fake it till you make it guy. But there is something to be said for a steadfast approach to life. And to showing up today that when your feet hit the ground, what's your first thought. And my first thought when my feet hit, the ground has been this way for a while is supplement accomplish. And Lord, let me be a source of encouragement for others. Let me be some light for others. Let me find the help away to make somebody say easier, not to make somebody stay hard.
Doug Smith:Thank you just for adding value to me. Thank you for adding value to everyone who will listen to this. Thank you for the impact you left on Pittsburgh. Thank you for the memories. It's been such a joy to have you a part of our city, and thanks for everything you do for the kingdom of God as well. Um, you're a simple man in a complex world, but you're making a huge impact. So thank you. And, uh, hopefully we'll get to hang out again someday.
Clint Hurdle:We will have to hangout again someday, but thanks for, for all your doing all you're continuing to do. And thanks for your crew here today, putting this together. And we will pray that it touches some people in some significant ways. And, um, hopefully we all can continue to learn.
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