In episode 164 Chad interview the one and only Jaclyn Miles. Speaker, pastor, leader, mother, wife, and amazing human: Jaclyn "Smiles" has bright insight to guide you youth ministry friend. Don't, no, Do Not, miss this one!
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From Jaclyn: "Jaclyn never would have guessed that God would call her into Student Ministry, but that is exactly what happened the summer after graduating from college in 2004. She has served churches in Oklahoma and Kentucky. As a middle school youth pastor at her first church in Oklahoma she met the love of her life, Josh, who happened to be the high school youth pastor. They were married in 2007. In 2010, Josh and Jaclyn moved to Louisville, KY for Josh to attend seminary and for Jaclyn to work at Southeast Christian Church on the Middle School Ministry team. After adding two kids in 11 weeks (1 foster/1 biological), Jaclyn stepped out of day-to-day ministry to focus on speaking and being a full-time mom. Today you can find Jaclyn chasing her three children, supporting her husband who is a full-time pastor, mentoring other foster parents, and speaking to students whenever the opportunity arises. Jaclyn's ministry influence has only continued to increase through speaking at conferences, camps, and other church events."http://www.jaclynsmiles.com/
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In episode 164 Chad interview the one and only Jaclyn Miles. Speaker, pastor, leader, mother, wife, and amazing human: Jaclyn "Smiles" has bright insight to guide you youth ministry friend. Don't, no, Do Not, miss this one!
Thanks Jaclyn
From Jaclyn: "Jaclyn never would have guessed that God would call her into Student Ministry, but that is exactly what happened the summer after graduating from college in 2004. She has served churches in Oklahoma and Kentucky. As a middle school youth pastor at her first church in Oklahoma she met the love of her life, Josh, who happened to be the high school youth pastor. They were married in 2007. In 2010, Josh and Jaclyn moved to Louisville, KY for Josh to attend seminary and for Jaclyn to work at Southeast Christian Church on the Middle School Ministry team. After adding two kids in 11 weeks (1 foster/1 biological), Jaclyn stepped out of day-to-day ministry to focus on speaking and being a full-time mom. Today you can find Jaclyn chasing her three children, supporting her husband who is a full-time pastor, mentoring other foster parents, and speaking to students whenever the opportunity arises. Jaclyn's ministry influence has only continued to increase through speaking at conferences, camps, and other church events."http://www.jaclynsmiles.com/
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Key Takeaway: “We get discouraged in youth ministry because we don’t necessarily get to the see the fruit”
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Speaker 2:welcome to episode 64 of the youth ministry booster podcast. As we are rounding the last turn for our amazing month long celebration of women and Youth Ministry, as we both celebrate and encourage those that are women leading out in youth ministry. And I need to prepare you now. This interview with Jacqueline Miles. Jacquelyn smiles is almost too good. It's not so good that we couldn't capture it, but you are going to be listening to it and immediately going to want to be listening to it because it's that good. So Jason Miles, thank you so much for delivering not just the thoughtful and insightful but the immediately realists Annabelle, because there is some rich content here. And so if you are new to you that you wished your podcast, we try to offer at least some tasty goodness every week for your audio years. Uh, and this is another installment in our month long celebration of women in Youth Ministry. You can follow the conversation, it Hashtag women in Yam ongoing beyond this month as we celebrate women that are leading and youth ministry. You do only have a few more days for our giveaway@youthministrybooster.com slash giveaway and we want you to have an opportunity to win a year of booster and a subscription box of your choice if you're a woman and youth ministry or going to be giving it to a woman in youth ministry, so don't miss that. Also, if you are going to be at the National Youth Workers Convention and we would love to hang out with you in St Louis Twenty 18, November 15 through 18, it's going to be a blessing a weekend hanging out with a bunch of people that we just found out is sold out. So hopefully we'll get to see a lot of you there. I've got some surprises for you if you show up there, but until the end. This is Chad interviewing jacqueline mile.
Speaker 1:Hello and welcome to youth ministry booster. My name is Chad Higgins and I am so excited to bring our guests here for you today. I will allow her to introduce yourself, tell us everything that you want us to know about you. Well, Hey Chad, my name is jacqueline. Miles and I'm coming to you today. Do you today from Louisville, Kentucky. I love everything. Iced coffee and if there's not enough of it in my veins, Chad, things just don't go so well for, for myself, for those around me. Uh, hold on, hold on. Before you continue and I want to hear more about you. Are you iced coffee like all the time or like just in the afternoons or like Morning Your Rock and ice coffee. We are rocking that from morning till night and ice coffee in the middle of the winter. They try to get me to switch but the Baristas, they know I'm coming. They know what the order is and I'm, I just get more free ice coffee nowadays than I used to. So it's awesome. It's great. But I, um, I come from a ministry family. My husband's a pastor so I guess I'm a pastor's wife. I don't usually rock that title, but I, um, I like to be the pastor and be one of them be in the mix, but he, um, he's in full time ministry and I'm now full time mom, but have been in full time ministry for 12 years before I kind of stepped away and, and yeah, that's, that's a little bit about me. That's awesome. And so you're doing some speaking stuff as well, but have some background in student ministry. Tell us a little bit about like your speaking ministry, some of those kinds of things that you're doing. Sure. So I started out in middle school ministry and I love how the Lord works. I remember, you know, when the, when I got that first call to to come and do student ministry, I was really thinking, man, if it's high school ministry I'll pray about it. But if it's middle school, there's no way. I mean the, in that it's like hurting cats there. Squirrels, they're just all over the place. And sure enough it was for a full time a youth ministry, junior high pastor position in Oklahoma. And um, you know, it's funny, the Lord knows this Chad better than we know ourselves because I could not have been more pleased to be in junior high youth ministry. I love the fact that I can give them a high five and remember their name and they just think I'm awesome and I don't have to work that hard school. You have to try so hard and you have to earn their trust. You have to show up, you have to be consistent. And anyway, I loved my stent in junior high ministry. I'm full time. That was just a blast. And now I'm now what I do is in the summers when my husband's schedule is a little more flexible, I get to go and travel sometimes with Christ and youth through mix or move their different junior high and high school programs. Sometimes I just get to go to camps, bring my family along to and we, I'm just get to tell students about Jesus. It's awesome. Wow. It's almost like God is all knowing or something. It's almost like he knows us. It's great. I love it. Okay, so tell us a little bit. I mean, that's where you're at now. Let's back up for a moment. Tell us how you first got into like student ministry at all, like that whole calling of your life. Like walk us back to that. Sure. I don't know, Chad, you probably would know better because you asked this question a lot. Um, but I feel like there's a couple different kinds of people. They're the kinds that have always known that they are going to do student ministry. They love students. They use. It's just like the writing's on the wall, right? And then there's those of us that go kicking and screaming and, and we just kind of get surprised and I'm in that whole process. I was a senior in college at, um, and I was working on my senior paper and I was, you know, been praying a ton about what am I going to do when I graduated. I have all these student loans. I've got to pay back somehow. I want to be an administrator. I want to use my gifts and talents, uh, in the local trying to do something for Jesus. I didn't know what, but I was in the library and I remember where I was standing when I just, I just heard somebody say Cincinnati and Cincinnati and I turned around. There's nobody there. There's just stacks of books. And I was sort of weirded out chat. I really just thought this is strange. So I went back, I told my roommate, um, she goes, well, why don't just pray about it. So I did. I just, Lord, was that you? Was that, you know, the pizza, the cafeteria, what, what, what's the Cincinnati about, you know? And so I just tabled it. I continued to kind of hear that as I prayed, I looked up Cincinnati thought maybe I'd moved there, nothing. So that was in the fall. Late fall of my senior year. I graduate, I moved home. It was awful. It was so embarrassing. I was like, Mom and dad were very gracious to let me stay, figure out what I was doing with my life. Late in that summer I get a call and this, this guy says, Hey, I got your number from a mutual friend of ours. I was wondering if you're looking for administrative job, and I said, yeah, I am. And so that was when I said I will, if it's high school ministry, I'll pray about it, but not middle school ministry. That was exactly, you know. And sure enough it was for middle school ministry and I go and I check out this church the couple days before I interviewed and I just drove the parking lot with a friend and we looked around and had a big steeple. It had stained glass windows and like there's probably pews in there like who is totally not like my church experience at all. And I just thought, gosh, this is like I'm going to have to wear a hat on Easter. I don't know what's going on. And as I pull out of the parking lot of this large church I noticed that were on Cincinnati Avenue. And I just, I, um, I started crying. I started laughing. I told my friend, I'm like, this means I can hear God's voice. Like he was whispering this word and I knew in an instant I knew that that was the, that's what Cincinnati had met, and watching him line up all of those details of this first ministry experience and also is overwhelming confirmation that that was where I was supposed to be, was so helpful for me because that wasn't on my radar. I really want to work with middle schoolers. I didn't really want to do student ministry. I, I didn't really know what I didn't know and that I was really and truly made to do it. And I just love, I love how he shows us that parts of things that he's put inside of us to use for his glory and for his kingdom. And he knew that was right where I needed to be. And I also, you know, I wish that, um, well I'll, I'll say that part of the story for later. I've got to, I got a good one on that too. But that's how I first got into student ministry. And, um, I definitely felt a little duped, but now grateful. That's pretty awesome. I don't know that anybody's story. I've ever heard like the dread of I may have to wear a hat on Easter first time for everything, a ball cap, the kind of hats these ladies were, are. I mean it's kind of like the Derby here in like everyone wears these hats and you're like, oh my like special chatted. Especially the big dress and the hat on. I just can't do it. I'm made for Tacos in jeans and a youth group tee shirt. That is what I've made for. Oh my goodness. I'm just imagining you like in your heart, like pleading with God of going not the big APP. Right? Not the big hat. That's why I think he had to be so dramatic with the Cincinnati Avenue, but not only was it middle school ministry, it was like at this church that was like literally, like nothing I had ever experienced in their church culture, you know, was still like nothing I'd ever experienced. The kids drove nicer cars than we did, you know? It was just a very different experience. So. Wow. What a story. All right, so tell me years of student ministry, whether it's in the church, are now what you're doing. Tell me one of your favorite, like youth ministry moments. Gosh, there's so many bad ones, but there's so many good ones. You know, it's funny, the ones that pop to your mind and certainly, but I think my favorite moment is sort of a collection of moments where you have that opportunity. You Watch a student go through sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, they kind of fall off the map. They go into high school ministry, they go to a different school. The programming doesn't line up. You don't get to see and hear what God's doing in their life and then maybe they're a junior or senior and the lord kind of taps him on the shoulder and they come back and they help you. They say, Hey Jacqueline, what can I do to help junior highers know Jesus? And I love. I mean I love high school ministry. When I get to see when I've seen them through the awkward, you know, the hormonal, the emotional stage of, of middle school ministry. They've made it through that developmental stage and then they want to come back and serve with you. I'm such sweet moments, I think of so many times where I went on retreats and they've, you know, watching them lead other students to Christ, watching them lead a great small group or, or go into college and then come back and say, I want to intern with you and josh and I haven't had the privilege of seeing some of these students that were in our awkward. They're awkward junior high cells that are now in their mid twenties, late twenties, which makes me feel old, but makes seeing them what God's doing in their life and how those seeds that we planted and watered or, you know, just try to encourage them to see them still following Jesus and now challenging us in the way they live their lives out. Um, that to me is so special. We have a couple of boys that were in our student ministry and my husband was the high school pastor at the same church. That big tall steeple church that I worked at. Um, and so those two boys specifically both went through our junior high and high school ministry and now my kids call them uncle jake and uncle Preston and I just, it's the relationships that you build along the way that you have the privilege of seeing God's faithfulness in their life from, you know, so many times student ministers, we get discouraged because we don't see the fruit, right? We, we try every week to bring our a game and to hit that home run and our messages or our small group times and we pour into leaders and then we get bombed because we don't necessarily see. And I think if you stay in the game long enough out of you remember the show survivor because you and I, we know it's been around a ton of, been a while. But, um, when I think about student ministry, I always think about what does it outlive, outlast, outplay. And I think if you stay in the game long enough, you get a chance to see. Um, the verse that comes to mind is the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. You get a chance to see all of those seeds, not all of them, but a good chunk of them and bear fruit and then that gives you so much courage, so much energy to keep on doing what you're doing. Um, so for me, I guess it's kind of a selfish moment is just that opportunity to see, um, see students come back and serve and come back and what God continues to do in their life. Um, and you get just to be a small part of that. Yeah, absolutely. One of the things that always makes me sad when I hear like youth ministers that only stay stick around a place like couple years or whatever is I'm like, you're not even going to get to see what you've done or not necessarily what you've done, but like what God has done and the frustrations that you now have, right? Like those are the truly like remarkable stories of when you're like, and that's what I almost killed Jordan. And then years later, like, you know what I mean? Like Jordan's these amazing volunteer no true. Um, and, and that's, that's, it's the messiness of ministry that you can't explain it to you. You've been in it for a little while. Those redemptive moments. Oh, Alexa, we did lose you on that one retreat. We did find you and now you're doing great. Thanks for Christ. Right. Much better swimmer. Right? So awesome. Okay. So, um, actually I want, I want to ask this story because I know our asked this question. I mean, you tell me a little bit about your experience in student ministry. Now you have this completely different perspective, right? Your mom, you're the pastor's wife, which I'm sure you sit on the first. What's your view now of not only like the helpful role, right for the student minister, but what's some encouragement that you, in the position you're in now would give to a student minister that, that may be frustrated or struggling or whatever? I do think my perspective's a little different. Some of it probably comes with being a mom and watching. Sometimes you have to make those mom calls were in. Now my husband is a pastor. He's at Church on Wednesday nights in and he's running programs and I know there's an expectation for me and my three little ones to be there, but some nights it's not good, you know, one of them comes home with more homework or comes home and is melting down because she's tired and sometimes the right call is to be home. And I think as a young student pastor, I would get so discouraged because I felt like, you know, what's that one question we dread and staff meeting? Well, how many did you guys have at youth group? And some days you're really excited to, to share your numbers. And some days you're like, well, we tried everything, but there weren't that many people there, you know, with the pastor's kids would've showed up. That's right. We would have had three more. I do feel that. And I know, um, my husband is super gracious. He was a pastor's kid, so he felt that pressure and he is very careful to say, you know what? Keep them home tonight. You know, some days he's really like, nope, this isn't right. We all need to be there. And then somebody says, just punt, Jacqueline just will. They're not gonna you know, there is no book, there's No one's keeping a ledger of this. And I'm, I'm grateful for his perspective, especially as a, as a PK himself, I'm wanting my kids to grow up loving Jesus and not resenting the church or resenting Christ because mom and dad are there all the time. You know, that it's fun and it's engaging, I think. Um, so my perspective for that would be sometimes it's discouraging when the, when the seats might be empty, but find a way to go to them. I think as a mom, when, when the children's minister showed up at my son's adoption, holy Moly, that meant the world to me, like find important things to those families and go to them. If it's a ballgame. I used to think, gosh, I can't do all these ball games or whatever, but I would show up as my cheating. Um, can I share my cheat? I would show up like the last 10 minutes of the game chat. I would get a picture of the student hanging out, selfie with the mom inside the, you know, and I wouldn't be able to go to the whole game because there was a lot of kids in the youth group and I was trying to be fair and get everywhere and I also was trying to have a life and so I would just literally go the last 15 minutes and I would smile and cheer them on. And it was like I was there the whole time, you know? And you don't have to tell them, hey, I just showed up the last 15 minutes. But I tried my best to maximize my time when I was there and what it meant to the parents. I now know on this side it means everything when you show up there and that the relational dividends that, that pays is so big. And so if there's times that you feel like you're struggling to get people there, you know, find unique and creative ways to go to them and know that that is going to pay off. That is going to pay off and not a. and in ways you might not expect, whether that's, oh, this, this would be a great volunteer. Why aren't they volunteering our ministry as you're sitting in the bleachers watching their son sit the bench, you know, or whatever it is. Um, so I think, I think that was something that I value now as a mom. I'm just somebody taking interest in my kid that led, you want my kid to follow Jesus to, for Real, like, you know, um, and how much your words of encouragement to apparent when you catch their kid doing something right. We hear so much negative feed back as parents, you know, I used to drive the Carpool line because every, every day of my son's kindergarten year teachers would come out and say, well, a trip the kid today, you know, or whatever. And I was always hearing something negative. So when you, as a youth leader, take a moment to tell a parent something positive. Um, I don't know. Some of those things are really important. And just realizing that there's nights that they shouldn't be at youth group. They should be home. And that's okay. And not beating yourself up, it's not your fault about that, that's just, it's more perspective of where you fit in that and then if you feel like you're not fitting very well or you're losing a family because they're just kind of busy or too disconnected, go to them. Right. I think that that's so wise. I have been kicking around this idea in my head of understanding who's connected to your student ministry and who's there. Because I think sometimes you have students that are, they're connected. Sometimes you have students that are connected that one random Wednesday night, they just may not be there. And I think when we start looking at numbers and really asking herself like how many of our students are connected rather than just there because then that allows us to know how to minister to ones who are there at that moment and how to minister to the ones who happen to miss. Right? Because life happens. Right? And we have the opportunity when we have a kid that's connected, who's not there to be able to follow up and maybe we'll, you know, grandma passed away, right? Or whatever. But when we know they're connected and where are you going to follow up in that very kind, loving way. We'd sometimes find those things out, even the connection piece chat of having some students that are connected to our church and they're serving. So sometimes I'm like, yeah, so and so's not Sarah's not connected right now on Wednesday nights, but Kashi serving down in children's ministry and being okay with that and celebrating that and not just being like, well, she's a really good leader and she really should be in, you know, because I mean, our overall goal is we want to, we want to help raise lifelong followers of Jesus. We don't need them to be married to her, you know? And so if they're connected to the body in that way, um, but that always, excuse your numbers, right? You're like, yeah, that person's connected. Their whole families connected. In fact, they serve together in the nursery. Like how cool is that? But they're not. Maybe they're. And I think that's another thing that, you know, just to kind of redefine your wind sometimes have this is my, when I want them to be connected, maybe they're not going to be there 70 percent of the time. It's going to be 60[inaudible] they're serving, but that's okay because they're connected. All right, so you have finally you've realized that maybe I'm not going to have to wear a big hat. Okay. But we're back to that first day being in student ministry, Cincinnati Avenue. If you could sit down and buy yourself an ice coffee. Oh Wow. That'd be awesome. What would you tell yourself? Three things, Chad. Can I tell myself three things to get it? Because I want to hear them all. The first one I would say, don't be afraid to say yes when the high school director ask you out because you're going to marry him and it's gonna be great. So I took a little while to come around Shag, but I did marry him and he's a good man. We've been married almost awesome. So I would say don't resist Josh. So you know, I know he's a redhead. I know that, you know, it wasn't your dream, but marry him and marry them sooner than you did way. Was there some hesitation at first? Oh, I told them, no, I shirted and you know, everyone in our youth group was like, they're gonna get married and we're like, I was like, kids, you need to get out of my business. I know that your junior high girls. But one girl literally came up. I had this dream. You and josh got married and she had no idea. He had just asked me out. After a year and a half of us working together, he finally asked me out and I tell them no. And so she had no idea and I really laid into that group like, you need to stay out of my business. That's none of your business. Well then that whole youth choir sang at our wedding, so we like really ate. We ate at me. I'm like, they, they were, they were spot on. So wait, hold on. What is like office relationship like? Oh my gosh, like the. No, it was so awkward. It was super awkward. And just here, we're like really good friends in ministry. He's the high school guy. I'm the middle school girl. We have a guy that's overall of children's and family that was kind of our boss, so we're kind of on the same footing as far as work goes. But I would go on all of his trips and he would come on all of mine and we'd always serve as whoever was in charge was in charge. We kind of serve the other person and here we are in our mid twenties and I say no and we're not talking to each other, but we're trying to pretend like we are friends because everyone knows that we're always friends and oh gosh, it was a mess, but it didn't last very long. I came to my senses and I said yes to the redheaded wonder. The rest is history, so that's pretty awesome. That's the first thing I would, I would need to tell myself is just don't skip the awkward part. The second thing, I hope Josh listens this. This is awesome. The second thing is don't change too much, too fast. I, you know, I had read some books, I had gone to like a youth ministry conference. I had great ideas of like, oh we could do this and we could do that and we totally need to change this because this is just dumb. And then I just, I had, I don't know if that whole idea that people can only handle so much change in 20 percent of change a year I think is a number I've heard thrown around. I don't even know what 20 percent of change would look like, but I know that I probably pushed 42 and a half percent and it just doesn't always go well. So I think I would have slowed down on the changing program stuff and I would have really dialed in more to that relational piece and just build, build, build, build, build, show up everywhere you can build with leaders, build with students, build with parents, knowing that that is only going to serve you well when you do make those changes, when you put that relational credit in the bank, um, and then just love on people and let that time pass. It feels like you're not doing anything. And so for a dewar, someone who likes checklists, you know, that's Kinda hard to feel like, Gosh, I want to change this, I really want to change that, but to sit on my hands on a couple of those things and just wait because it does. I don't know that, you know, some of it's youthful enthusiasm. Maybe some of it's my personality, but I definitely would have waited. So I would have married Josh quicker. I would have slowed down a little on programmatic changing and um, I had a third one and it just went away. So if it comes back, I'll tell you, I love it. I like, I like offering three and given to. Well, there it is. There it is. It's like I just forgot my third point. It's all good. It's all good. I think those two are incredible. The uh, the second one always speaks to me because that's maybe a little bit of my personality. Like I, I'm a, I'm a checklist Kinda guy. And so I constantly remind myself of the like quote from Jurassic Park have been deep. It's going to be good. It is. It's like we get so busy. I'm a asking if we could that we don't stop and ask if we should. Uh, and you know, I know that's about recreating dinosaurs, right? But of course, yes. For me, like there's so many of those times where, you know, I'll see something and I'm like, oh, it needs to change and needs to change and I don't step back and go, okay, well needs to change. Maybe not right now. Right? Yeah, absolutely. Because there's, I think there's that, just that realness of it. It's like what you're talking about earlier, like understanding their life happens and all those kinds of things and we just slow down. We walk with people and instead of just like dragging them down a path that we want them to come. I think, you know, you were telling me kind of painting this picture and it was funny when you said this, Chad, you said, you know, you're on Cincinnati Avenue, you're walking in. One of my very first experiences was walking into confirmation and in this denomination confirmation with something they did for eighth graders. And it was a, an experience, it was an experience of just really digging into your faith and, and asking those big questions, which I don't really know that they were ready for an eighth grade, ninth grade maybe would have been a better year. But that's one of those changes I didn't make. Um, but one of the things that just startled me was this one man said he was signing a student up for confirmation and he looked at me, shook my hand. He introduced himself because I was brand new and he said, all right, Jacqueline, here he is, we'd done everything we can with him. Now it's your turn. And it was like, it was just this. I don't know if he was trying to be funny, I don't know. But knowing now what I know, he was really kind of abdicating his role of primary faith giver. And he was just saying, all right, you're in charge of this now. And I everything in me, even at 22, I knew that that wasn't right. I knew that I was just supporting what he was supposed to be getting at home. Now there's the, there's the kids that, gosh, there is no faith at home and so you really are more of a primary faith giver, but, but realizing that I'm, that my role isn't to be the parent that I'm not their parent and that I'm coming alongside of their parents in whatever way I can and if I can make the parent better than I'm really doing more for that child then than even just speaking into their life on a regular basis, right? If I can influence them, whether it's through a resource or setting them up with someone to talk to you, I'm really doing more for that student, um, by helping their parents fall in love with Jesus and follow him, you know, closely. So I think that was the other, that was my third thing that, uh, that finally came to me was just realizing that I'm not that. And, and figuring out ways to. I always used to say I can't work with parents. I'm 22, I'm not apparent. What am I supposed to tell them? Like, just give me a bunch of junior highers. Right? I'm good with them, you know, and, but realizing too that that youth ministry is parent ministry and helping them and you can lead up with resources and with other people and just by listening and bouncing ideas off, um, there's ways to lead up. It's hard and it's sometimes awkward, but, but parents need us to do that. Awesome.
Speaker 3:Well, Jacqueline, it has been an absolute pleasure. If you and your husband find your way back to Oklahoma anytime soon, the next ice coffee is on me. Oh, that's awesome. You have to make us drive that and I am sure for any of our listeners, if they want to reach out, you may have an iced coffee for them. I would love it. I love it. Thank you so much for being with us today. If you're listening, hey, we thank you so much for joining in as we get to celebrate these amazing women, uh, in student ministry. We want to be an encouragement to you. I hope that this great wisdom Jacqueline's provided today is encouraging to you. Um, and I hope that you find yourself today drinking a nice big glass of ice coffee on thinking through what you talked about. Thank you Chad. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2:Well, a jacqueline. Thank you so much. Jay Smiles. That is something to ponder, something to hold, something to relisten to. He didn't listen to that one with notes and check the show notes because we have lots of great pull quotes from that one because Jacqueline, uh, I am still a after the editing process and the listing process and thinking about what you had to share and say, uh, for what it means for Longterm Youth Ministry, Caring, deep, compassionate, enrich everybody else listening at home. We've got a few more left in our big long month celebration of women and Youth Ministry and the hits. Keep on coming. So don't miss out on the next episode. Have you been assured booster when we feature another amazing women and Youth Ministry? You don't want to miss it. So subscribe, rate, and review wherever you get your great podcast. And until then we'll see ya.