Michelle Kuei  00:03
Hey, welcome to my podcast. This is a podcast where I'll be teaching you all the systems and strategies you need in creating your visibility so you can turn your passion for coaching into a profitable business. 

I'm your host, Michelle Kuei. I am a Visibility Coach content and email marketing strategist, international speaker, and author, as well as the founder of Elevate LifeCoaching, let’s just say that I know a few things about overcoming seemingly impossible obstacles in life and in business. I'm on a mission to be the champion that helps you to get to the top of your mountain, one courageous step at a time. 

Welcome to the show. 

Have you woke up in the morning and just look into the mirror and wondered who the heck is that? You're looking at your hair and you're looking at your face and you're like, Hmmm, that's not how I look. 

Or perhaps you're judging your body right now. Yeah, that would be me after long years of battling with a pandemic and lately, I actually upsize my pants just so you know, so don't feel bad if you had to, you know, go up a size. I did too. 

Yeah, you and I are both humans. So that just gets on with it and be happy about it. Well, ice cream later for everybody. 

Today we are going to talk about the saboteurs that we all have inside of us. 

I have Miss Marilyn Rose, who is a transitional coach, leadership coach and mentor coach for leaders around the world who have recommitted to bring in their hearts and higher vision to the forefront of their life and work. 

She is dedicated to support individuals, coaches and teams to reach and sustain their highest possible level of excellency, while achieving success and happiness in all areas of life. 
Maryland's specialty lies in the areas of human potential emotional management, leadership, and mastery by supporting her clients uncover and shift any blind spots standing in the way of their trusted self and potential. 

She is a proud mom of two sets of twin boys, aged 24 and 27. Loves the beach, coaching, coffee, and people. 

She's one of my people. If you love coffee, and Taco again, say hello. Drop a taco for me. 

If you love coffee, and taco, you are my people. So just say hello. 

Today we are going to get to know our Saboteurs. So without further ado, let's bring on Marilyn who's going to share with us her coffee. No, her Saboteur.

Marilyn Rose  03:00
Hi, Michelle. So great to be here. Good morning to you, on the Pacific coast. And here I am in New Jersey at noon. So welcome, everybody. I'm so excited to be here.

Michelle Kuei  03:15
And did you bring coffee with you? 

Marilyn Rose  03:20
I did. I don't usually have a noon coffee; I might have a little iced latte at the pool or something. But I'm just because it was called Coffee Talk, Michelle, which I had to make my cup of coffee.

Michelle Kuei  03:30
And I appreciate that because coffee is definitely one of my things. And I keep telling people that if you don't like coffee, we need to talk because anybody's you love coffee and coffee is something that you go to, like every morning, right? If we start having a conversation just about coffee, can you imagine what the world would look like? Right?

Marilyn Rose  03:48
Absolutely. And we learned a lot just about alignment. And so yeah, coffee does there's something right when we describe ourselves. I know coffee is people look at me and they think coffee because I do have my cup of coffee. So anyway, we have that in common for sure. And so much more.

Michelle Kuei  04:04
I think one of the things about coffee is that when you go to a coffee shop, you know, it's very conversational is people tend to be relaxing. And there are a lot of deep meaningful conversations that I have found just to having meeting someone at a coffee shop, like waiting in line. 

And there are a lot of beautiful stories around that. But today, I have a couple of rapid firings. So I hope you're ready because I know my audience will love to get to know you. 
You know the way that we connect it was to iPEC coaching. And I remember back when I was still a student you were like this beautiful, amazing mental coach I see all the time, who's on like social media and your headshot is always there and I'm like, who is this woman and go find out who she is.

Marilyn Rose  04:53
To come to find out I felt the same way about you seeing you and then we met

Michelle Kuei  04:59
So I know my audience would love to get to know you more. 
So I hope you're ready for some rapid-firing questions.

Marilyn Rose  05:05
We'll see Michelle what's new here some past your morning. Let's go.

Michelle Kuei  05:10
What is your favorite season? 

Marilyn Rose  05:12
Summer. 

Michelle Kuei  05:14
What is your favorite animal? 

Marilyn Rose  05:23
Let’s pick. Rapid fire. Let's just say horses.

Michelle Kuei  05:29
What was the last thing that you saw on television?

Marilyn Rose  05:33
Alone. Last night Alone in Canada. 

Michelle Kuei  05:40
If you could if you could have an unlimited supply of one thing, what would you like to have?

Marilyn Rose  05:43
Sunshine

Michelle Kuei  05:47
What habit holds you back the most?

Marilyn Rose  05:52
What habit? Yeah. Creativity.

Michelle Kuei  06:02
Yeah. Which, which really is a gateway for us to start our conversation today, right? Because we're talking about getting to know your saboteur. Now, before we begin, how did you get into coaching?

Marilyn Rose  06:16
Okay, so this is how long is the show? Michelle?

Michelle Kuei  06:21
A Lifetime, Marilyn.

Marilyn Rose  06:24
Alright, so it really, quick. Oh, gosh, it's, I have absolutely pinpointed these aspects of my journey. And those specific since I'm a transitional coach, I have absolutely, like targeted those pivotal points, where it's like, for me, good enough, land of comfort is no longer good enough. And it's no longer comfortable anymore. 

So I used to kind of sit, you know, if we're talking about scaling from a scale of one to 10, I was in that five, six, a lot of times in life because I was sitting where things were comfortable emotionally for me. 

So, you know, my, my, I'm a single mom. I was back then. And it was about seven years ago. And I was in leadership and a nonprofit for mental health work that I really loved and was very passionate about. But started to get very disconnected systems broke down. 

I had a phone seven days a week, 24 hours a day. And because of the system because of new protocols, I was getting called every night I was calling, just calling in incidents and things like that wasn't sleeping, but at the same time what I value most my boys, my family, my younger twins were 17 and my older ones were 20. 

Gosh, they're beautiful. They were not angels, I had things that were typical, like things that would go on that. Sometimes I would be called in, so I wasn't available. 

And all of a sudden being the person that was always a hopeless romantic, an optimist that no matter what was going on in my day, I still liked that. I was always so excited for tomorrow, no matter what I was going through, whether it was my divorce or things like that. 

So I woke up one morning, and I didn't recognize myself anymore. 

There was a day this I said to myself like I am worried about my kids driving when driving that to me was the most exciting thing. And my second set of twins had this paranoid mother I just want didn't recognize myself any longer, so I didn't want to be remembered like that after raising them alone. 

So I went into HR without thinking I never thought about leaving How could I. I was a single mom and I just had this you know these people in your life. 
It was one of those conversations I walked in as soon as she said Harlan, what's wrong, tears flowed. That kind of conversation and the one thing I remember most is that she said as Marilyn your mental health is worth more than any job could ever be. 

She said let me show you how you can take care of yourself. And let's just say I went for six months. You know, she Yeah, I went out on disability to really deal with some things and then explored coaching and my own values and what was most important to me, and I've lost the connection with people in my job and that's really what it was. 

So that's what led me to coaching iPEC specifically, because of my what I read at first I knew that I wanted to I wanted the deeper work, right? I didn't want to be like an accountability coach. It is that judgment, those things inside that I'm really passionate about moving from So, iPEC core energy coaching from the inside out that language that I read online, led me to call and lead me to my admission coach who sold me, you know why he sold me because he didn't sell me at all. 

He just asked those questions about me. So that was it. And that's what brought me to coaching, and have been coaching ever since. Never went back to my job, and never went back to a job I have been coaching.

Michelle Kuei  10:26
How many years has it been?

Marilyn Rose  10:29
I graduated in January of 2017.

Michelle Kuei  10:35
Okay. 

Marilyn Rose  10:36
In 2016, I started Marilyn Rose coaching my LLC and 2016. So I started, I probably, you know, my business, started growing it after module one. So that first aspect, that first-weekend training of training, I started after that.

Michelle Kuei  10:54
I think I want to kind of go back to one of the things that you talked about when you're when one of your twins was starting to drive and got a license. And you mentioned something about your paranoia. To what extent were you paranoid about, like, what were you paranoid about?

Marilyn Rose  11:11
So you know what I have to correct. It wasn't one at a time, it was two. 

And it was two of them at the same time and the driving. So I lived in a town where just everybody was stopped. It's a small little town that likes somewhere else. So they were just stopping all kids. So every ticket being you know, raising my kids alone, finances were always an issue. 
I think at that point, my insurance was up to $12,000. You know, they were paying me from their jobs, but still, you know, I was paying the bulk. 

So any ticket anybody knows, especially if that insurance skyrockets. 

So that's where like, it was this money thing, it was not really about them driving, it was all the fears that were underneath it. 

Just like the coffee and you said, it's not the coffee, it's not the thing, it's the thing behind it. 

And there was so much behind my own fear, you know, fear of being able to provide for them, you know, fear of arrest, because my kids were going through, you know, things like that, that took away what normally would have been really exciting. And then just kind of drained energy as opposed to being able to celebrate it. 

And that's what I knew I had to something had to change. And that was that point because I didn't recognize those things about myself. That caused me to really push on them in ways that I hadn't before.

Michelle Kuei  12:46
I love what you said about like, it wasn't just like the big thing about getting into getting into the car or having a car accident, it was small thing, like getting a ticket. 

And the first thing that came through your mind was like, how am I going to afford this? I'm a single parents raising two kids, I how do I actually afford this and they were expensive. 

And so I think for a lot of people, they don't recognize that this is what's going on. And so there's an analogy I love using is that it almost feels like the fishing the fishing and water, right? 

The fish in the water is a very normal thing, and the fish feel happy in the water. But when you tell the fish that it's not just a water, you're actually an ocean to and fish that's like, whoa, wait, what? No, I thought water is just water.

Marilyn Rose  13:35
I love that. And that, you know, that analogy that would really be part of my own personal growth, you know, seeing things like relativity, and the depth to something what words mean, and the power of words, our own words to ourselves, and, you know, so, you know, what our brain stores so that that would trigger something else. 

And, you know, it's just been, you know, this process of learning that is, you know, is still continues. And one of the things that has really helped is, you know, even with my boys and I know, they're appreciative is, you know, I look at them, like, like, who am I to expect them to have arrived, you know, when it 52 And that's when I went to iPEC and started this journey at 52. 
I am literally just uncovering these the most powerful life-changing things about myself, you know, and starting to really accept the process and starting to accept challenges and problems as Wait a minute, that might be the very challenge that's going to lead them closer to their own dream. 

So it's very much synonymous with coaching. It just, it doesn't change for me, you know, those strategies and coaches, coaching with my clients, and then just what draws and what deepens relationships, everywhere else.

Michelle Kuei  14:59
I love that. 

And I, you know, it's interesting, what's coming up for me is, you know, it almost sounds so easy at age 52, it draws you to your coaching business and here you are, you're just at the Mod I and you're getting your clients, how easy was it really, truly for you to start a new business?

Marilyn Rose  15:17
Thank you for saying that. Yeah, cuz, yeah. When I said I started I got I paid for my LLC. Right, right, like I was. 

So you know, because really, my vision, I used to tell people that I was going to school because I finished my assignments and everything. But that's because I had left my job, I sold my house and moved into my parents' house. 

So that I had that time to be, you know, so anyway, my mission, my goal was in six months, because that's what I had, that was the goal of just six months if I couldn't sustain anything, I would, you know, get a part-time job, which is okay, no problem. 

So yeah, it didn't happen like that. When I say I started my business, what I really did was I started coaching.

So whether it was $1, because that for me, that embodiment, of what I learned, and that's still who I am, right, embodying things, the things that are meaningful to me, anything I learn, that inspires change within myself, and I know, you know, is a great tool for the clients I work with. 

It's about practicing on myself becoming myself. So things flow from me, so yeah, so for me coaching, went on a referral site. And, you know, I didn't get hired a lot, you know, I didn't have the, you know, I wasn't certified yet. I wasn't credential I mean, credentials yet. But the practice of even seeing a statement and then writing back because you had 300 characters, which was a real short amount of writing to respond. 

So I was so open because of all that I had already learned about judgment about process, that for me, even in the struggles, you know, I just knew that they were beneficial to me that it all was, and that's one of the things about the judgment that had changed so much.

Michelle Kuei  17:16
And how did the saboteurs show up for you during that time?

Marilyn Rose  17:20
Oh, during that time? Well, so very unconsciously. There were things about my learning where it's like, I just don't do those things. I don't do numbers like so, you know, you know, I'm time for today. 

But um, yeah, I mean, I have those experiences that I've identified as those moments where I kind of created these protections, because our brain just wants to protect us and, you know, back then, they're, you know, we're so resilient, that without coping skills, we don't, you know, when we're younger, yeah, we just don't have the capability yet, we're not develop. 

So it makes perfect sense when we're conscious enough to know what embarrassment means because people start laughing, you know, and then, okay, I won't raise my hand, and I'll never raise my hand and math again, that and then it's, I just don't do the math. 

And then in our adulthood, we carry that in as a part of who we are. But what was uncovered, it's not who I am at all that I can actually learn what I want to learn. It's just how do I learn what's most important to me, because, you know, even the hardest thing that, you know, I might really struggle with, you know, I can do if it's something I really want. 

So engagement became really important. 

So yeah, I just kind of learned, you know, that separation of what I became and how I identified myself as these beliefs that were not really me, you know, so then I started kind of creating and building a life in my business, you know, so when I saw numbers, it's like, okay, how can I learn about taxes? 

How can I learn about quarterly, you know, I'm still not there all the way I get a little something when sad face and cups. I don't love you know, I don't love it. 

And then one of my, you know, not my organizational best suits, keeping everything so neat and perfect. So I'm growing in that area still. But yeah, I can do I, you know, the computer, the business, being a business owner, I didn't know about business. 

I embrace the process, and I allowed myself space to grow. 

So it takes time. It really does. And I am every time when people say like, what would you tell your younger COACH SELF? And you know, are what would you do differently? 

And I really might choose answer to that. I wouldn't do anything differently because it really has been through my struggle, that my saboteur has lost power. 

You know, you know, the computer, it freaked me out. And I do workshops now on Canva, and creating graphics and stuff like that. Why? Because I didn't have money to hire anybody. 
So that was a gift, I learned so much that I can really do my website, you know, and then I hire someone to kind of look it all over. 

But if I want to change something, I can go right on and change it. So right. It's just; it's engagement. It's what we really want. It's making choices. 

So okay, where do we invest? This money I have right now, what's most important? Okay, so if I can't hire someone for my website right now, and this is how I journeyed? Then what are some ways that I can be satisfied in this moment with where it is right now? You know?

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Michelle Kuei  20:53

I love it. There are two things I heard from just what you share now. One is you're not good with numbers. And by the way, I sucked at numbers. You know, despite the fact that I have a clinical background in pharmacy and I what I did was I needed to be accurate with numbers. 

And let me tell you, the truth is, this is why people invented the calculator, right? This is why people invented, you know, bookkeeping, bookkeeping, to have accounting This is why people invent it, doing all these things because you don't have to be good with everything. 

Marilyn Rose  22:29
And you don’t have to love it. I mean, I think that's the thing, and I might have said like, it's so much of Yeah, it's kind of more about what I love and I don't love that aspect of the business. As much as I love coaching, but you're exactly right. 

In that area, there is something for everything. I just got a congratulations from Grammarly Because so funny. Yeah, Christine, she was like a writing coach years ago, and she introduced me to Grammarly, the paid version. 
I didn't love to write, though. I only didn't love to write when I was busy, right? So when my kids were young, I was inspired to write poetry. But in the business.  It just wasn't my favorite thing to do. 

And a lot of times I would have errors, you know, so I didn't want to put something out there right the judgment coming in again. 

So Grammarly has just really helped me that I just created I, you know, I write a half hour a day, you know, I just write on Grammarly and then you know you my emails I check in there. So I think I was like, I got an email with my report card that you know, I have put in more hours and 56% of the people on my little report like what Wow, wow. 

Michelle Kuei  23:53
I love Grammarly, I love Grammarly because it's like I have a lot of typos or grammatical errors. And there is a lot of grammatical police grammar police patrolling around on social media, and all they look for is how many errors Have you made? Like, you know, first of all, I am not English is not my first language. So you gotta bear with me. And then you're gonna see a lot of typo in there because yeah, I am like doing it on my cell phone, you know, have some grace!

Marilyn Rose  24:19
It's probably different reasons why we use it. So for me, I'll use it, and anybody that knows me is, I just put in a lot of extra words. You know, so for me and the thing with writing to is like, what I feel kind of processes and wishes together with what I'm thinking, and I can put something down I'm like, That's not expressive enough. 

So I'll add in truly, or really. And then you know when I see it without all those filler words that I think people need to hear. But again, that's just my story, and it's how I feel things, how I express. So it's been really helpful for that to get some clarifying ideas. As you know. 

Michelle Kuei  25:01
And they definitely give you a report card by the end of the month. They’ll said how many erros you have made and how you graduated from this week,

Marilyn Rose  25:08
My report cards goes pretty long. I love to like, we need to do like a work session on Grammarly and like just you do an hour? And I'll do for an hour

Michelle Kuei  25:15
we have to do like a report compound comparison

Marilyn Rose  25:20
We’re just compare ourselves and each other. Right?

Michelle Kuei  25:22
So I do want to go back to one of the things that you said earlier about how you don't have to love what you do. But you do it anyway. Because it's something that, you know, maybe it's a financial situation, maybe it's something that's limiting. 

But how do you get over that feeling? Or that emotion of? I don't really want to do it. I don't enjoy doing this? How do I how can I? How can I even go through it? You know? So how do I get through it?

Marilyn Rose  25:50
Yeah, so today it's so much different, right? Because, because just the way in which I believe in moments now like Right, like so, I have done so much work around my own personal success formula, right? Like, focus, when I'm focused. That is when I'm at my best. 

So I utilize choice to enter any new moment. So for example, and one of the basic things is like, you know, I'm going to be writing, you know, and it's not something, it's just not the thing I love, I love to play on Canva. 

But when I say I don't love it, it's important to me still. It might it takes some time for me. And I've really, I've accepted and given myself space, and grace. 

So what I really choose is like, you know, anytime I'm entering something, working in moments that are not the thing that I love the most that make my heart sing. 

It's just like, What do I want to experience? You know, in the next half hour, or in the next five minutes, you know, and it's like, I just want to be present, I want to experience peace. 

Well, in order to experience peace, Marilyn, what are some thoughts or beliefs that might be standing in the way of that peace right now? You know, and you know, just be, you know, just that's going to take me forever. 

And when I do that the whole idea is really how to is that, you know, just knowing that some of those are assumptions from my past that because I experienced some things even in education years ago, there's sometimes a trigger that might come up. But you know what? 

We have choices right from that moment. So my default now is curiosity. And I actually identify the timeline of my thought, Is it future? What if I don't do a good is it you know, from the past, this never works out for you. 

And I identify that. And if it's either there or back there and not here present, then I just kind of let go, there's not danger here. 

And I just lean in, and moment by moment. 

And everything is influences something else. So in essence, I love writing. Because I love sharing. It's just a process, I'm connected to so many other things about what matters to me in some of those things that are not the best parts of what I do. And what I love, that they're still attached very much and connected to them. 

So it's kind of like a higher level of we're all connected. So are all of those aspects of the things I do. They're actually connected. So that even when they're painful, or I don't like it, there's growth in that.

Michelle Kuei  28:44
Yeah, I think that was so beautiful. When you said there were choices if felt almost liberating, right? Because a lot of this, especially right now, there are a lot of things going on and people feel trapped without choices. What are some of the things that you are working on with the clients out? How do you work with clients? Who are your clients?

Marilyn Rose  29:07
Yeah, that's a great question. It's, it's so interesting because I just remember when we're talking about niches, I you know, it took me a probably a couple of years to realize when I was trying to figure out who I work with, right, age group, gender, you know, career divorce single, that it was more about, there was more below the surface. 

So whether I'm mentoring coaches, right, or whether I am working with individuals that are experiencing significant transitions, which coaches are right, usually when they're mentoring to significant transitions, and it can be anything it can be, gosh, college, someone heading for their doctorate. They're like, oh my gosh, This has always been my path. But I have anxiety coming up, because I don't know if I want to do this. 

But who am I, and then you know, that same transitional something coming up that's not connected with someone my age, the same kind of thing that happened with me, it's like, we've lived in the land of not good enough so long. 

But it's like I have 10 years, 15 years, 20 years of working left, can I be doing this, the rest of that time. 

So sometimes it's like things that we value, many people don't know what that really is, because we don't, we're just getting by so many of us in this world today, are really just getting by it's pretty demanding times that we have lived in and are living in. So really getting clear. 

For everybody I work with, like what matters, breaking down that who we became to the current way of thinking, The Who am I now, and then building from there. So whether it's coaches, reconciliation, reconciliation, their own judgment, you know, their own avoidance, possibly of anger, as they do that and see it as indicators, then they're able to allow their clients that same space to do that themselves. 

So my clients span I used to joke millennials and mid-lifers and everybody in between, but then there's retirement too, you know, so I work with everybody, but it's that same theme, there are people that really recognize that they're not aligned and aligned in some way. 

So they might come with something external, but it's driven from some of those internal things, beliefs, messages, or the overall worldview based on all of those things, culture, you know, so I am so passionate just about, you know, opening that space, regardless of where someone is. 

So they can make choices too. And that's what it's all about. They, their higher coach, you know, and just lead themselves, you know, and therefore affecting all areas of life, whether they're a coach, millennial, whatever. 

Michelle Kuei  32:10
as you're, as you're describing this, I'm imagining, you know, this person standing at a crossroads, and there's all four different directions, maybe more than there is really about making that choice, which direction I want to go to, and why would I want to choose that direction? Yeah,

Marilyn Rose  32:25
decision making, I just love decision making, which is, so it's so interesting.

Michelle Kuei  32:30
and I'm with you on that, because it drives me nuts. When people when you ask people like, what do you want for lunch? And they're like, I don't know, whatever you want? Like, can you give me a freakin’ choice?

Marilyn Rose  32:42
You know, I mean, it's so interesting that you even say that, because what it brings up is like, you know, so many times, regardless of what our story is, so say, for instance, what was my biggest obstacle was how I judge things, anything that didn't feel good, was a conflict. 

You know, so any, because I feel so deeply, I would absorb emotions of other people. So there was a lot of fixing going on. But it was mostly about fixing the chaos within myself, the emotions that loss boundaries there. So it's so true. So a lot of times when I'm working with individuals that right have this, the boundaries that might be skewed, so it's hard to make decisions, because, you know, their emotions might be telling them something different than their partner is or, you know, so they're trying to please, as opposed to just, I want to call it like calling a confidence from the inside out. 

Just knowing who you are really starting to understand the way you speak to yourself matters. So that's, it's key to like leading oneself, it's like, you know, what's going on here, and then finding the strategies that work best for my clients, whether it's pausing and breathing, whether it's taking a walk, and that's really individual learning styles of my clients and developing for them what's going to work best for them to be responders in their own moments as opposed to reactors in them.

Michelle Kuei  34:17
Love that. Love that. 

And I do want to respect your time to wrap up this episode. I feel like I can talk to you like for days and not a problem. talk again. Yes, yes, I'm gonna have to bring you back to another episode. But I do have one last question. And this one actually is my one of my favorite because one of my favorite story book is the book called Little Prince. I don't know if you have read that book, but it's about the little prince who read it. Planet Earth from B-612

Marilyn Rose  34:57
Yeah. I'll remember it. So go ahead, I'm really listening here,

Michelle Kuei  35:02
The fox had told the Little Prince his very own secret, a simple secret, that it is only with the heart that one can see rightly, what is essence is invisible to the eyes. 

What do you believe is essential, but invisible to the eyes?

Marilyn Rose  35:27
Boy, that I just like love that. And, yeah, I mean, just even the word essence, you know, I just, it's gonna sound a word that's really repeated, but love, there's something where at the core of everything of who we are as human beings, is love, I believe that all of our emotions actually are driven from that place. 

And when we talk about the essence of ourselves, I think it's just so important today in the world that we're living, on, where people are making decisions based on, you know, just on maybe pressure or whatever that means, in so many different ways, real pressure, right? 

Real pressure at work, to do things that the group is doing, right, the group thing. But that whole idea, that essence, it's, it's key to everything that I do. 

And anytime, we're not aligned with that. There's a disconnect. So, you know, I love that, you know, you've talked about like, my story I'm gonna work with I am because I do like putting this together, even hearing that was just really when you talk about what I do, then you're connecting the essence of someone who somebody is, whether it's in their coaching with clients, and letting go, I always say get messy, just let go of the rules, and then learn from what is what really is.

Michelle Kuei  37:03
Beautiful. Where can our listeners and viewers find you?

Marilyn Rose  37:09
Yeah, so gosh, I am, my website is a great place to start, just to read a little bit more about me and to learn about who I am and kind of even deeper than this more deeper, so answer some questions you might not have got in here. 

So just head to the homepage, anything about energy leadership, you know, it's what I utilize with my clients at the beginning of our sessions, and then the end of our engagements. 

So you really see that sustainable and lasting change. 
So for those of you who have not heard of energy leadership and core energy coaching to get that, and also for, you know, coaches, I'm a registered ICF, mentor, coach and have done the assessor training, and just really passionate about supporting coaches who are either renewing or interested in moving forward with a credential for whatever reason that may be, you might even want to explore that. 

You can absolutely schedule a complimentary session anybody can to discuss some of those things. 

And then, you know, I mentor groups coming up as well and other things as well. So yeah, I think they'll net website is a great place. LinkedIn. Yes. Really starting to use that more, and it's going to be Yeah, learning from you, Michelle, and Instagram, she has that Instagram. 

And for coaches, you'll find I might have a job, another one. It's not up here right now. But you know, you find me there. And we'll find each other with some of the more coaching mentoring things as well. But thank you

Michelle Kuei  38:45
Thank you so much, Marilyn, I can talk to you for ever! 

Marilyn Rose  38:53
I love you so much. And thank you so much, and everybody, whoever is here, thank you so much for listening, and I look forward to seeing you in the future, somewhere in this planet.

Michelle Kuei  39:04
Hopefully not B612 All right, bye Marilyn, I'll talk to you.

Marilyn Rose  39:13
Bye everybody