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Episode 33 - Derek Davis - Singer/Songwriter - Derek Davis and Revolutionary Souls, Babylon A.D.

May 07, 2020 Derek Davis - Singer/Songwriter - Derek Davis and the Revolutionary Saints, Babylon A.D. Season 1 Episode 33
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Episode 33 - Derek Davis - Singer/Songwriter - Derek Davis and Revolutionary Souls, Babylon A.D.
May 07, 2020 Season 1 Episode 33
Derek Davis - Singer/Songwriter - Derek Davis and the Revolutionary Saints, Babylon A.D.

Babylon A.D. singer Derek Davis joins Non-Stop Rock Talk to discuss his latest project Derek Davis and the Revolutionary Souls. Derek also goes in depth about Babylon A.D. back in the late 80's/early 90's, why there may not have been a 3rd release on Arista Records and hanging with Sam Kinison. Safe safe and enjoy!!!

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Babylon A.D. singer Derek Davis joins Non-Stop Rock Talk to discuss his latest project Derek Davis and the Revolutionary Souls. Derek also goes in depth about Babylon A.D. back in the late 80's/early 90's, why there may not have been a 3rd release on Arista Records and hanging with Sam Kinison. Safe safe and enjoy!!!

spk_0:   0:03
way, Theo. Way dreaming. Hey, Erica. Welcome to nonstop Rock talk. It is a really great to have you on the show today. How are you doing, man?

spk_1:   1:12
I'm doing great. And you?

spk_0:   1:13
Very well, thank you. Um, uh, I guess now, what is the? I guess before we even start, and then we'll segue way into, um, into the latest single kind of. What's this? The status in terms of of everything going on in the Bay area. Are things back to normal? Are you guys still in isolation?

spk_1:   1:32
No. No. Everything's still locked down, and they have a few things. Like they just opened up golf courses. Uh, yesterday on her back. But pretty much everything is still the same. But it was the last one of their cell, Um, for a couple of things. But they said that they're gonna, uh, open up a few more things on Friday. They didn't say what, but there's gonna be a few more things. I'm not sure if Dani's exactly, you know,

spk_0:   1:56
you were kind of this were a little bit more locked down than that. They haven't open the golf courses. And what? Not yet, But we're hearing probably in the next week or so, but it's gonna be freaking cold here next week. So

spk_1:   2:09
what? That

spk_0:   2:12
just I'm, like, 40 Right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So for some reason, it's, ah, below seasonal here this week for this kind of strange, but they're saying that there's some art thing coming down. So? So there's I mean, there's no need told in the golf courses, but with with all that said so bring me to your latest video single called Pandemic Blues. Uh, Summer days? No, this single is by your band Derek Davis in the Revolutionary Souls. Tell me a little bit of bay. The song I understand that was written on Lee a few weeks ago.

spk_1:   2:50
Yeah, it was just written, actually, I think it was March 26 when I wrote it down. Today, Yeah. You know, just about came about from a conversation I was having with my cousin and one of my friends were talking on the phone, and I was kind of laughing because they were like, Hey, dude, we're gonna you know, we're taking our family was a big RV, you know? So they're taking a family. You want that? Do you? Ah, gender. They're going to stay there for, like, three or four weeks. Wonderful. When we come with white, coming to bring an RV is Holy shit. I never serious, you know? And so I was just kind of cracking a cold. And you got to take the Bloomington for 12. My guys right there? Yeah. They're really panicking. No, man, we gotta go. So, uh, I was just fooling around the guitar that night and they get Hardwick that starts a song. LA came to me and I thought it was side by sounding or something really didn't fit that wanted it all, you know? So I was kind of like that. You know, I started thinking about the conversation that we're having, and it just all came because the next morning when I got up, I recorded a little bit on my phone just so I wouldn't forget. And, uh, the next day I started recording.

spk_0:   4:03
That's awesome. I mean, I like in in in your bio as well. And it stated about the A bit song The lines I went down to the market, took my place in line, seen a purple haired lady hoarding Huggies. And why Yeah, I said, Oh, it's getting out of Seattle every hour. Every minute. I'm dreaming by the summer days, those lyrics and perfect.

spk_1:   4:26
Yeah, that it actually happened, like, two days before that. I was the lady. It was just a big fat lady man with purple hair. She was older, and she was like, she had tons of toilet paper and shit. This is before everybody was panicking. You know, like, let's deal with this lucky lady showing a wind full of favor and shit, you know, her basket trooping out a couple days later, it started on the whole We should I get my favorite too? You know,

spk_0:   4:53
So is so. Is everybody hoarding toilet paper there? I take it because we had the same problem here. Where everybody

spk_1:   4:59
Hell, yeah.

spk_0:   4:59
You couldn't get any toilet paper. It's crazy for a venue. 36

spk_1:   5:03
One thing. I have not seen any 12 paper for about I don't know this probably six weeks yourself and then yesterday and went into the to us to a safe way down the street from the house. I couldn't believe it was about 15 rolls of toilet paper. You can only take one but it's still like, wow, like Amazing that I haven't seen any that long. No,

spk_0:   5:26
I know. It's crazy. I think we're very, like, two weeks since you've been able to get toilet paper. But I mean, yeah, I'm just I'm just glad that they didn't like, I don't know if they raised the price there, but they they didn't hear. It's kind of, you know, still sitting price. Yes. Which is the

spk_1:   5:41
way we have a meat. Sure, sure. Now, to where you got kind of a charge.

spk_0:   5:46
Um, not that I know. Well, it's funny if you go to the grocery store, I think we come into our where they'll be me, and then you go back the next day, and then it's all gone. So it's probably kind of guy of the same thing

spk_1:   6:00
they announced this morning that from that one that meets gonna be like, You don't want to me from my water park.

spk_0:   6:08
What do you make family?

spk_1:   6:10
I don't know. I don't know what that I was thinking. You know, I think we need one to me. You know? It doesn't make any sense.

spk_0:   6:17
Yeah, that's crazy, man.

spk_1:   6:20
I know they're having problems with Gary and all the cow and all the other kind of people are getting out are getting sick. It is that working the slaughterhouses, you know? So

spk_0:   6:31
something happened. That's not.

spk_1:   6:35
But yet and then you got those killers The East. You got the killer Hornets coming around thinking people.

spk_0:   6:43
That's gay, man. I mean, it's such it's just such a weird time.

spk_1:   6:49
Bacal this man.

spk_0:   6:51
Okay, okay, so I mean, the songs kind of got like it's got a really reggae drum feel and it's kind of late Bach. But what I thought school was the guitar solo is kind of rocking. So, like, it's like a kind of about, you know, like more of a hard rock type of solo with some photos. Yeah, school was Was that kind of the thinking, as you guys were as you were doing the song?

spk_1:   7:16
Well, so when I wrote this song, you know, like I said, I knew it wasn't, like, about 20 G's on just a little, you know? Yeah, sure like Well, this is a battle. When he saw that I was with my new band, you know, since I had a little I started writing all the music to it, and I knew it was a little bit funky, and I've actually got pretty different versions of it. That was the one that we went with because I had a band recorded their parts. You know, after I committed the base, there were just kind of walking around with Beijing. Was kind of playing, playing funky it first like slapping, you know, and I thought that slapping really cool was like, really Louis funky. You know, I mean, uh did you ever said Hey, what we tryto reggae be kind of like to see you try it, you know? And so they started German with reggae, type of be black. And I was like, I have three different versions. I had the versions that I did. The drums had a version of that my drummer had, uh we had two versions of Israeli planning. Straightforward, like slap rock and ready burden. Then I sent it out to, uh, four people that I know. Anil Scandalabama, Lieutenant you After I mixed it, I said, which version do you guys like best? And I have about eight people that I sent it to. There was only one other people, person and me that, like the Loch slap kind of bird, is better than everybody else. Like the radio version. Better you know, any longer I must be long. It's like there's only two of this, like, yeah, and they're like, Virgin don't get anybody like Burgess was born in. But they got that from what I got was the regulars and get sounded more different and more original. And, um, or something that I had heard before kind of things like that that, you know,

spk_0:   9:00
it's cool. It's I mean, it's a killer. I mean, it caught me is the first time I listen to music. All that's really cool because it was different. But But what I notice is with your voice on it, knowing you know you from Babylon and your solo stuff, it's still it's hard to explain, but it's still, I mean, because of your voice is still really, really cool. It's just

spk_1:   9:23
a style or some crazy shit like that. I would really you know, you know,

spk_0:   9:40
Yeah, exactly. And and I mean just one of the simple fact, I think because Summer Days is in there with that that type of reggae feel that kind of really, You know that it makes sense, right?

spk_1:   9:53
Yeah, yeah,

spk_0:   9:55
yeah. Is very island e and very, you know, it's cool. Yeah, that's in a perfect thing. That people need right now is like something happy, You know, that they feel good about

spk_1:   10:06
it. It you're talking about. I was a little afraid, to be honest, he went with the lyrics like people were going to say, Like, how dare you, You know, try to make fun of something. You know what I'm thinking? Now they're gonna get it and just care of use. Like we're all going to the same shit. We're all thinking the same stop when it held it to be over. We're all sad about the people that have lost their lives, but at the same time, it's like, Come on, we got a we want You know what you're saying about it. You know, you want to have something happen good in our lives, you know?

spk_0:   10:36
Exactly. It's kind of I mean, you kind of think back to, like, music in general, like you think box would stock it. Vietnam was a shitty thing, but, you know, like people writing songs about that is well, in a hard time. So I think that I think the eyes music therapy. Right? So

spk_1:   10:53
yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

spk_0:   10:55
Yeah, Exactly. So So I think it's totally cool. Um oh, tell me a little bit about the video itself. I mean, I love how you approached it that you guys have been wearing masks, really? Doing the whole social distancing thing. And they acted the vintage movie clips? No, There's a clump with Vincent Price in there, I believe. Yeah, that I thought, which was really cool. And then some really cool, nostalgic movies portrayed in there as well.

spk_1:   11:24
Yeah. So what I did was I figured, I know what I was writing this on. We kind of visualize what I do with the video. You know, cause, uh, I just kind of knew that it was gonna turn into a video because you have to have that. I had to visualize it. You know, I know what I researched. Uh, public domain, like science fiction movies, you know? I mean, and I tried to pick it up like a cool part, and at first I only had, like, the part talking, and I stuck it in a song. So then I would get the, uh, the film march like, uh, from, ah challenger dot com O r. You know, any fighting public domain and I find that stuff and then I clip it in the video, you know? So even though this on even the single has all that stuff going on, you have any?

spk_0:   12:13
Yeah,

spk_1:   12:14
it's not like the shape doesn't have it. Is there all the whole all the talking part of their everyday I got, you know, a little bit for Do I really think anybody really do that? No. City. Cool. Anyway, I have never done before, you know?

spk_0:   12:29
Yeah, I know. It's very creative. Um,

spk_1:   12:33
what we did with the it was pretty funny the way we shot shot that video. I thought about a brainstorm for a couple days, and I told everybody. Okay, so the video you guys remember the old people videos like, you know, your chin like the arable. Okay. Thinking like that. Like what kind of work? Like people, you move like people. You kind of jerk around a little bit. And you were all these apocalyptic kind of out there. We all kind of like what we could do. They make a trip, you know, uh, wait. Think she's a classic when we talk about on, uh, like, in a room plastic off the whole room? No, we got dark like yourself. Like that. And, uh, maybe kind of look like you're one those tense, you know, when was you see in the movies where they're taking people and, uh, you know, helping him out of whatever they got, you know, kind of my intuition, Scary gun will be withheld. They are, you know, disease control. Yeah.

spk_0:   13:36
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I lost. It doesn't This is so good. And there's so many so much like there's so many parts and you're trying to figure out what club these like some of those movies I've seen before. And, yeah, what is it from, You know, like it's it's very good way of, you know, conversation piece. You know, even if you're watching it myself, But you're thinking, What is that from, you know, and I think that's really cool

spk_1:   14:05
thinking that what I would put him in there, I was like a lot of people who've never been around members, parts of this stuff. You know, some people just aren't, you know, anything like that anywhere. I have that chicken with their head, and she's just kind of a jerk around, you know, that we call the brain. That wouldn't die. You know, I thought that was bad. You know what I mean? That just around I was like, Oh, it's so good, you know,

spk_0:   14:30
because, I mean, we don't We don't see movies like that either anymore. I mean, technologies that are so to see that a nostalgic stuff is so cool. Yeah, and I mean, watching the whole movie of it, You're like, Oh, this kind of cheesy. But putting it in putting clips in Israel is really cool. I thought that was really well,

spk_1:   14:49
I get a lot of videos, but that was after the 1st 1 to make and edit and cut everything just because it was because, you know, I was trying to do something different and just think out of the box. And even when they put down the lead guitar, I just told him Look, we're not just gonna play hard rock. Please go play hardball. Lead is really out there, you know, just like really weird. You know, you gotta listen to songs. Thanks. I inspection. They're gonna big court. No, No way. Bar in there on the wall on. Just make a living pretty easy, you know.

spk_0:   15:20
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. I mean, it's science fiction with Reagan, which is even cooler. It's like

spk_1:   15:28
it's a whole new thing called science fiction. Ready Iraq. The whole thing

spk_0:   15:34
that's gonna be like, you're saying, No, you're no longer like rockets. Like facing reggae rock. Yeah, it all came out of this, So that's cool. Yeah. Um, so tell me ah, bit obey the band. Like the players in the band. Um, now, is there going to be a full album at some point?

spk_1:   16:00
Well, I'm not sure. I think there's gonna be. We've been talking about it quite a lot. I've got a couple more songs already written. Have a recording yet, Kristie, a keyboard player. He's a very talented people player. That has a lot of stuff. He comes from a soul blues kind of background. Someone, something he was writing more kind of sold things. Sort of like the revolutionary solo album. I did. Yeah. Um, so you know, And we've been talking about it filled. Since we haven't been together since we did that video, um, you know, it's gonna take a while, we presume you don't need, but that is to go, you know, I think that is a good

spk_0:   16:42
Yeah, well, it kind of be that. Will it be a wide spectrum of what the musical be, or will it be kind in that?

spk_1:   16:49
You know what? You know when we play together, I gotta tell you, man, when we played together, this band is so good. I mean, it's unbelievable that way. Probably practice only 10 times that to engage a woman plays didn't Everybody will vanish so professional and so good. It's almost like every suddenly played We know what we're gonna play right. You know, it's gonna stay the store today and end it, Uh, you nosey. But everybody challenges that. We've changed the song, man. That's that song. Just kind of go where someone jam, you know, like a, uh, turns indoor the bank. I like war a little bit. We were playing, you know, Horn got somebody movements and placements. And there's everybody is so, so good at their instruments and, uh, you know, It's just not straight ahead, long before it's not just straight ahead soul or anything else is just It's really it's really different, very interesting. We also kind of the same way that when we get together, there's like, really no rules, like we're gonna play this song like there. So we're gonna do that. We kind of just Janice all fill it out And he said, Well, that was cooler. That part was cool. Let's try this again. You know,

spk_0:   17:54
that's,

spk_1:   17:54
um so even that covers that we've been doing. I mean, we're making him our own. There's something just like they sound like our own you don't need. They don't sound like we're trying to recover band. And it's just like the the song on the jukebox is It comes are you know, sometimes you're a lot of people we don't like in a little park out for whether right that, well, that's different, innit? Means

spk_0:   18:17
let's go. I mean, yeah, making it your own right. It's

spk_1:   18:21
like a jam band, kind of like, you know, that's already described it, really, you know,

spk_0:   18:25
school. I was I was talking to a buddy of mine tonight and I was telling them that we were gonna talk tonight and I said, Oh, you got it. I said he got a check of his your new tune and I said And you gotta chuck it resonator blues because, um, money. But he's a fan of like he listens to everything and I said, You really ought Attack eight This resonator blues album as well send you the listen to this song. Plus, here's a link to his website and check that out and try and find not he was really interested, so I sent him off that I haven't heard about for him yet, but I'm sure I well, because I'm sure he's gonna really dig it.

spk_1:   19:01
Hopefully, it's all good. Hopefully, they don't

spk_0:   19:05
know. I don't think you will, because he's very He's like That's kind of why I threw that Adam, because he's like that guy that he doesn't just listen. One genre, right? So he was like he was asking about a resonator blues. He's like, is not available on violent vinyl, and I was like, I don't know, I don't think it is, but I'm not sure.

spk_1:   19:27
Yeah, I know it's not a few people, but it's a pretty, you know, it's more like just a fun type of thing. But they talked about 10 bucks to make the jammer. Now,

spk_0:   19:39
that's crazy, man.

spk_1:   19:41
Yeah, crazy. So you can't really You get a break even showing leaving. I would like to, you know.

spk_0:   19:47
Yeah, I know. I mean, I have the vinyl of, uh, revelation Highway, and

spk_1:   19:53
yeah, yeah, I know. They made those. I Yeah, I didn't get when. That's right. I think everybody's got one. Yeah,

spk_0:   20:04
school. That school is some and actually speaking that I am. I got the first album last week on vinyl. Really? Discards. But my spine copy that. I initially had my house was robbed last September, and they still, like 200 my albums, and that was one of them. And you guys, you guys have signed every all you guys Barket, rock and skull back in, like, seven, 66 years ago had signed informing. So it got so then I don't think I'll ever see it again, But anyways, I ordered a new copy on disk ox issues, but it was it was in really good shape, but it came for about it. It came from Europe and has got It's different. It's got a photo of you guys of the band on it. It's not about 1 80 logo, and, uh, really Yeah, I thought that was really weird. I'll send you a photo of it. It's It was It's not

spk_1:   21:03
a I would like to see that. That's pretty sure the man, he sure it's not some kind of like, uh, you're not

spk_0:   21:10
that

spk_1:   21:11
somebody may, I

spk_0:   21:12
don't know. Well, I mean, it's got It's got the arrest of label on the album itself and everything. It looks legit and even the colors off a little bit. I hope I didn't get I mean, listen to

spk_1:   21:22
what I wanted from Japan because I know every single label that I've ever been on. They always make an album for Japan to, and they had a and making things that make you add one more song.

spk_0:   21:34
Yeah,

spk_1:   21:35
they have been extras all in there.

spk_0:   21:36
No, no, it's just it's the norm. I was disappointed, to be honest with you, because I like that cover and that that photo was, I think it's the photo that was on the back cover. So there's no photo on the back. Yeah, it's weird. So it's just electronic. Listen, but I'll send you a photo of it, and you can suck it out. Yeah, I think

spk_1:   21:56
my career I've never seen it.

spk_0:   21:59
Well, it was expensive. Mandated cost with shipping. I think it was about 80 bucks Canadian

spk_1:   22:07
here. I've got a couple of of the albums. I just looking at him yesterday, A matter of fact when I was going through through Ah, some old stuff. My that have been cut out. Remember, they used to cut him out?

spk_0:   22:17
Yeah,

spk_1:   22:17
a little bit out. Yeah, I got to cut outs. And I was like, Trip way Anybody?

spk_0:   22:25
Yeah, they are. I mean, this guy discards. I don't probably not familiar with it, but anything you want on vinyl, if it was available, it's on that site, and people sell their like, use copies on this site. So that's how we replaced. Replaced a lot of my vinyl. Right? Was through, um, was through desk ox, and but they didn't steal anything that I had New, like Revelation Highway. And they didn't touch any of my new stuff. It was all the whoa. Yeah, crazy like bobble on 80 Badlands. like a lot of 80 stuff that, you know, that was worth something. They they frickin took it.

spk_1:   23:03
Well, maybe they know something. They know that. Hey, you know, this new shooting were shit. Let's take this old stuff.

spk_0:   23:09
Well, exactly. And they stole four guitars. Well, so the last ball Lysistrata Telecaster, you know. No way. Are you

spk_1:   23:19
sure? Me

spk_0:   23:20
know?

spk_1:   23:20
Oh, God. Mandy got some kind of insurance home insurance or something.

spk_0:   23:24
I did? Yeah. Yeah. Um,

spk_1:   23:26
for that ensures that

spk_0:   23:33
Oh, yeah. No shit. It was It was about 60,000 and stuff lost. Stolen. Fuck we We were away for the weekend, and the hairs got ransacked. It was Labor Day weekend, and then we got a phone call from our neighbors saying, you better come home like it was like, Holy shit. Like they couldn't couldn't couldn't get all the albums out. They probably couldn't lift them all. And they were, like, even scattered on the back porch. And, um and it was It sucked. Yeah,

spk_1:   24:06
that I fucked up

spk_0:   24:08
It is. And that Pablo de Album was just like I like it is Come on, you know, like like I worked hard to get all those friggin signatures on their like, Come on.

spk_1:   24:22
Yeah. Yeah. You know, throughout the year, you get all that kind of shoes you collected all somebody fucking still. Did they go bake at fucking

spk_0:   24:31
eyes? Exactly. They would They probably didn't there like, Well, this might be worth something. Who knows? I don't know. Like they hammer caught the people. They never found out who was. So I don't know who it was, even if they don't know what the value was. But it seemed kind of obvious that they did. Because of what? You know, some of the ah, where they took, right? Because, like that first Badlands, autumn cost me over 100 box to replace. Like it was crazy. Wow. Yeah, I You know what it was? It was a while ago. Everything, You know, I recovered most of it, which was good. So this is it's just a lot of work, right? Yeah,

spk_1:   25:09
exactly your time, people time.

spk_0:   25:13
Yeah, exactly. But I mean, I was, uh I was determined to replace my stuff, so it's all good. Um, getting back to resonator blues when I was looking through the song titles. Even even if he didn't know it was a blues album. The song titles kind of allude abated. Bait the music like whiskey and water. Ah, penitentiary bound Mississippi mud really set a lot of what can be heard on the album. I mean, it's kind of like that Delta Blues thing. Um, and me. I've been in Memphis twice in the last year, and I think that type of means that kind of what would be what I would expect on Beale Street? I'm kind of curious about your song writing process in terms of that album. I'm sure in your mind here, like I'm making a blues album. That was kind of what you wanted to do.

spk_1:   26:03
Well, you know, I didn't I didn't just sit down and you start writing and say, I'm gonna write a blues album. It just happened that I know my sweet cream Cadillac, right? And, uh, do you know where that would fit? You know, I know. That's what about one of the song I wrote a few others a few other ones and the 1st 1 that I really wrote, um, that I kind of knew like I I had some other songs that were similar in the vein. I said to myself, You know, I started digging through my stuff and I said, Okay, wait with the water fish with this song, Uh, this song faced with that song, you know, kind of like putting bubble together You And then I wrote to three more songs where I was like, Okay, now I have a product that all could fit together in a band will fit together and a record, you know, it's not Do they all fit somehow together? Your me So, uh, what I do that I basically knew that I had an album, you know, And that's pretty much the way they go about myself because I write a lot of a lot of songs will get for Tyson phones because I don't really sit down and, um, just say, I'm gonna do this, you know, it just kind of pops out when I feel around the guitar and however it goes where it goes, just that's where you gotta go. You know, wherever the song sound is supposed to go, the national direction I go. I mean, I probably have right now about 15 songs or more like Stop Rock paper being, I would say, you know, this built selling. They don't fit something a bit. That lady, they don't sound like they fit this news up. They don't sell soul. It'll sound blues. You know, they don't like a pop kind of rock thing, you know? So it's like, Well, we're defense. I don't know. Maybe I'm making another record, you know? There's gonna be no different.

spk_0:   27:51
Oh, that's cool.

spk_1:   27:53
Yeah. So? And that's similar to what happened with a revolutionary. So when I pulled that out, it was like I had about four or five songs over a year period that had, like, that soul kind of sound jewel you need.

spk_0:   28:07
Yeah,

spk_1:   28:07
and I just started showing them together, so well, all right. Two more like, this is the thing. You know, No one that I kind of wanted to write in that day. Don't we kind of think about that? Can't be three. Get off the same guitar that I used to write the other soul songs, and I kind of noticed that as years go by, you know, a lot of different partners and I notice when I play a different guitars, they kind of leave me two different, uh, sounds or different styles of music. You know, the guy to Plame. I just kind of always come down hard rock. I don't care what it is. Always. I just can't write a soul so are loose on That gives him for some reason, you know nothing. I'm trying, but it just don't come out and watch the rock. You know that If I got my strategy, capture my hand or my, uh, you know, old Schober told her something. Yeah, we'll get it comes out kind of bluesy. You know, every guitar gives it a different kind of life. You know, my Stratocaster wants to play like a soul cycle thing, you know, just my and started over that way and start thinking that way. So I really do that. I think it has to do with the instrument that I'm playing. Then I think keyboards right in some kind of mushy kind of pop love song or something, You know, like journey or something. People crack up in there like you never told me. How do you know where to put this? This is a really sound like you, but it's like it's a good song. It was like I put that out there. People think, you know, Dio years old

spk_0:   29:35
because no Babylon a d like even a slow song ever was really a journey type, you know, type of ballot.

spk_1:   29:42
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

spk_0:   29:44
I mean, the balance were great, but they weren't They weren't like that type of a nine.

spk_1:   29:49
Yeah, right. They weren't people heavy and all that other kind of stuff and kind of step the happy, you know? You know, I did. I probably have about five or six piano war for battle. I d that really hard and, uh, really cool. And the guys wanna start recording on my got demoted everything. But I'm kind of waiting to get about more for five more songs for that, You know that They're kind of dmitry based everyone flowers. Just because I wouldn't say the ban is really on. I hiatus. But we're kind of just like everybody doing their own thing. I'm doing my own thing is saying that time, whatever get together, it's gonna come together. You know, we have some of the songs, you know, way played. A few of them live last year, and everybody's like Wow. That's a great song. It was like, Okay, cool. So people like this, you know?

spk_0:   30:38
Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, um, so no, no other persuader songs on the next album. I take it

spk_1:   30:49
I think I think we were talking about maybe doing this song called Backstreet Girl that we never on a demo.

spk_0:   30:56
That's a cool song is a

spk_1:   30:57
really cool song, you know, Might change a little bit of They're just because you're a little bit corny, you know, 25 years ago, ever. But it was really a full jam, you know, it's really the music is really heavy and really cool that well, you know, like a Motley Crue thing or something.

spk_0:   31:10
Yeah, because that is on the persuaders. That the release, right? That one's on the

spk_1:   31:15
way that God, that is, That is only what would that be called? Something. Game one released. Eight. So that was like a general change. Yeah, that we go down there? Yeah. You thought you heard the song. It's a pretty close on, you know, I think I do that.

spk_0:   31:31
Cool. Yeah, that's cool. I mean, I really loved I loved a relation highway, and it wasn't great. I listened. Teoh. Quite a lot, man. It was. And I think the very last song. I can't remember what it was called. It's just escaping me right now. I just kind of rewinding I loved that tune because I like the guitar riff at the beginning. It was really

spk_1:   31:53
I think I was. Don't tell me tonight.

spk_0:   31:56
Yes, All right. Yeah,

spk_1:   31:57
Yeah, people like that. That was another thing like Backstreet really had that a long time ago. And you want to put it on her first album? The client goes now, I don't want you guys put that one on their way out of this one so that we whatever we had about 25 song didn't know of it. Down to 10 you know,

spk_0:   32:15
was there, did you? So you guys narrowed it down to 10. So there was there more songs recorded for the album, or was it just stuff was just download. And then you guys decided on the four songs that were going

spk_1:   32:27
we actually had we actually recorded two more songs for the album. It, you know? Yeah, to two more songs for the album that were recorded, you know, in the recording studio. Uh, you know it Ocean related stuff And have that old lady some we've never released.

spk_0:   32:47
Oh,

spk_1:   32:49
yeah, There's a song called, uh, let me think for a second. My head. Right now, I really like it, But I moved a little bit too Poppy for us. Um,

spk_0:   33:06
it kind of makes

spk_1:   33:07
guys think before you hang up,

spk_0:   33:10
okay? I mean, because

spk_1:   33:12
I know what it is called the song. I'm thinking about the other one I can remember, but there's only so there's only thought that maybe make make a record and even be it with a song of love and dreams. It was a good song, you know? I was a little corny, you know? Kind of like I like, you know, sexual action was going, you know,

spk_0:   33:34
I love that here, man. I totally I listened to a man and

spk_1:   33:38
a lot of people, but I can't.

spk_0:   33:41
That's funny. That's funny. You know what? I didn't pick up on that song until years later. To be honest with. Really? Yeah. It was like one of those things because I loved I loved the single Like I loved bad blood. I that was another one. That I would just listen to over and over again, cause I really like that. So yeah, yeah, it was just and, ah, but you know how things changed over the years, the different songs popular, do you? And all of a sudden you're like, how did I not notice this one before? You know, uh, strange

spk_1:   34:13
paper? They put a lot of money to that song is a kind of lock up our career on that. Also, because way didn't play live. Oh, Oh, yeah. Promoted the shit out of it to radio. They gave him all these boxes they like about a big of a cigar box that

spk_0:   34:33
has,

spk_1:   34:33
like, the second runners on on on the little booklet had show you how have psychedelic fact that all these shit and you know, they really went out their way. You know, where is the record did? This is all very company to the radio stations throughout the country. And they, sensitively down to the you are getting were plans in Chicago. They threw them all out there, and we really didn't even knows you're applying about. You know, we just day we woke up, You know, a man. It is cold out of blocks up, everybody. Uh, Harris explains all these radio programmers out, and you guys go second Secretary Action. We all live in a sure way that way. Don't play that way. Then you better get back in the box is fighting for its, you know,

spk_0:   35:22
holy.

spk_1:   35:24
Yeah, so we go back to the way in the back of the class is about two hours before the show and all these fucking radio guys showing up they're coming out talking with that hang with way still even you and play the song in a fucking here, you know, we never played it live. Um, yeah, Inside is fucking we're gonna play, that's all. We get up on stage and we play way do our encore. We go back up with two more solves way. You come back on the bus, my fucking arm bands around like a heart attack. He fucking blowing, man, u fucking I You just fucking blind your career. You pluck it out. What's wrong with ur suspense? 50,000 fucking dollars. Fan these people out. You lay this all They came here and were like huge a No, no, He was right. No man, Tony, Because we had always been in a bus. And we're home, like the best hotels, like, you know, like the rock and roll for a hedonistic lifestyle. You know, two weeks later, we're fucking Winnebago way. All our tour support, everything you do is gone, do you? Wow. Yeah. We cut our own throats, man. You know, we didn't play ball.

spk_0:   36:45
That's crazy. And that's why there was never another like

spk_1:   36:48
that. One of the reasons. And the other reason is Nirvana, of course. Oh,

spk_0:   36:52
yeah, yeah, yeah. That seems to that topic. Seems to come up a lot in a lot of interviews.

spk_1:   37:00
Well, yeah, You know, I You know, the funny thing is, I remember being in the recording, recording, shooting with Tom Foreman and, uh, watching that he'll come on in TV. You don't know what this is, Bad ass. I like the giant man walking you guys, you know? Yeah. Pretty sure they exploded by the time where he was mixing the record. You know, 34 weeks later. Next they're all over TV, and I'm like, Yeah, you guys gonna be big By the time our came out six months later, it was like, man, I didn't know that they were going to be a kid. Get for us, You know, I mean,

spk_0:   37:30
it was kisses down for a lot of people for a lot of bands. Really?

spk_1:   37:34
Yeah. Everybody, everybody. Everybody started getting dropped to 93 man. Just like fucking. You're gone. You're going, You're gonna You're gonna check anybody had along here without

spk_0:   37:42
Yeah, it was It was It was so weird Because, like, bands had recorded third albums and they never got released until, like, you know, 20 years later,

spk_1:   37:54
I remember all the all the all the musicians that I talked to, even giving I don't mind. And they're like, Well, when we do the next track record, let's don't have no legal car. What are you talking about? Out of the lead guitar. Well, upon and all these other bands from Seattle, you know, the record companies don't want to hear leading cars. The war. This is fucking crazy, man. We gonna rock band without playing a lead guitar Black. This is not

spk_0:   38:15
that, you know. That's like telling Joe Perry can't play leak, but yeah, you know, it was crazy. It was kind of Ah, It was such a weird time. But, I mean, for the fans to it was, you know, if you didn't jump jump on the bandwagon and you were kind of like it was hard Teoh being all the big like we're all you

spk_1:   38:37
know, your old dinosaur. What you talking about? Dinosaurs? My 30 years old. Yeah,

spk_0:   38:41
I know. It was crazy. So you, uh well, sorry.

spk_1:   38:47
Well, im e don't get out, Father, for what they did. You watch that thing on. I think it's amazon dot com. It's called The Rainbow. The Rainbow Run.

spk_0:   38:56
No,

spk_1:   38:58
it's fucking awesome. And it's about the people that own the rainbow. Uh oh. There's a family that owned the rainbow and the whiskey from starting like 1958 all the way through, Like, you know, last year. Whatever.

spk_0:   39:09
No shit.

spk_1:   39:10
Fucking great. Everybody's in flashes in it. Everyone you can think of is in that fucking movie, man. And because it is all about strip, like from the fifties, all the way up to wait When we were there, when we all lived through everything, it is great if you get a chance to watch it has called the rainbow for the Rainbow Room, and it has a lot of whisky there, too. But what about my stuff on the whisky? A lot of lineas in there. It's really, really good anchor. Do you just feel like you're right there on the sunset Strip 1987 years

spk_0:   39:41
for Is Molly into?

spk_1:   39:44
Did everybody know there's little interviews with Everybody is It's just fucking great, man. It really just you put you right there on the strip again, man. You

spk_0:   39:54
know? So how much did you guys play on the strip? That

spk_1:   40:00
what? We moved up there, And, uh, and late 88 I think it was way were in the recording studio over most of 89. I know most of you know, about six months. So we got a record deal in 88. Um, so we live from 88 to 92 you know? So we're We're basically we were there on the rainbow, and you know all the cluster around there for years for those 55 or six years where the fucking was. Um, but yeah, we played all the clubs there, you know? We played it. We played everywhere you can think of in L. A. You know,

spk_0:   40:36
that

spk_1:   40:37
way. Even played before we even got a deal up there a lot. You know, he's the country club. A lot places like that, you know, Whiskey? No, to adore.

spk_0:   40:49
Speaking of the truth, in order to see that thing today, that it might be because of all this, it might be closing its doors. They're in trouble.

spk_1:   40:56
They were about that June as really fucked up.

spk_0:   40:59
Come. Not so much history, man. So much. Yeah. Yes, I

spk_1:   41:04
know. Crazy. I mean, these these places, all these places could be like, What museums now,

spk_0:   41:10
right? Exactly. Yeah. I mean,

spk_1:   41:14
you know,

spk_0:   41:16
Yeah. Yeah, that's it's so true. And it's I mean, people. There's people like me that would go to L. A. Just to see those things, to see those clubs. If I've never been to really

spk_1:   41:27
at it, there's a good good clip with Gene Simmons in that movie where he's talking about it. You just like, you know, he he like, you know, uh, talking about how it is just disgusting how they tore down Mazzari's and then this and that everything, you know, talk about the old days, everything. Anything like now I want todo pocket reporter really like your name. Three bands for three orders that you think from 1999 2 right now that will go down in music history does not continue probably 30 before 1999. That that will be in history. Books are already a history book, you know, The person was trying to bank it. They were like, Oh, well, how about this is you're saying that's what I mean, he said. Now, since 19 day night about now, rock n roll is dead because it's officially dead, you know, you know, you have a little spurs here and there, things like that. But he said, but there's there's nobody that comes along and they're going to do something like we did from, like, you know, say, 65. So then I mean, it just changed music and just have the type of eating that glass style of the party's rock star really was, You know? I mean, there are no rock star anymore, you

spk_0:   42:39
know? Jesus. Yeah. No. And you know what? I'm gonna watch that for serum you when we're done. I'm turning. That's cool. Well, and you said it's on the Amazon.

spk_1:   42:54
Yeah, leave it alone. Ended on Friday. Might be on that about 90.

spk_0:   43:00
Okay, I have Amazon, Saul shocking having that flux to you. So it's all good. I think everybody pretty much states. Yeah, you know, what it is crazy to talking about is the fact that there's still bans. Put it putting it. Amazing albums that just are just don't get hurt. You know,

spk_1:   43:21
I know there's still a lot of there's still a lot of stuff out there. There's still a lot of good stuff that comes out the band around when we were when we were young. You know, I thought that relation I would be a good album. When I was in first of that album, it all I thought it check out, But you don't you want the the feeling that certain this police only people religion in the records about a you know,

spk_0:   43:45
you know, I know. It's like it seems it's funny, cause the circle of friends I have are the ones, and this is only like two or three other people. But I mean more friends than that, but that are buying this stuff and you know the people you meet on Facebook through doing my podcast, That air still buying it. But it's not a huge no, you know it, Zraly. It's odd. This kind of

spk_1:   44:14
no business telling our are the way we all felt back then, you know? Yeah, We were all younger And, you know, just a all the ships and all the crazy shit could be, You know, the finishing lifestyle that everybody was living at the time. It was like everybody with a rock star, you know, he didn't have to be When you just go down the Sunset Strip party and actually, you know, you'd end up in somebody's house that love the rock story. Tonto angers Albert here. I don't know. It was funny.

spk_0:   44:44
That's that's a lot. No. Tell me. I'm sure someone's I'm sure many people last you this before, but I haven't. I'm kind of curious how Sam Kinison ended up on the hour.

spk_1:   44:57
Uh, well, you don't demand way were down in, you know, living in our way out of this champion much longer party with a little bit journey bust up. So one night he was recording recording like a studio B. We were industry away. You know. And, uh, Robert Palmer was here recording one of the studio. You start seeing each other all the time.

spk_0:   45:19
Yeah.

spk_1:   45:20
And, uh, Sam came and got me. Get over my get ahold of my studio. I need you to do some background vocals on one of my songs. Do you know? Right. So I went in there. I thought I wanted a 21 Campbell movie man

spk_0:   45:34
really

spk_1:   45:35
big applying to cook I ever seen, like, way shit I've ever seen. Yeah, a lot of strippers there and everything we do by two more, you know?

spk_0:   45:54
Yeah.

spk_1:   45:54
So do the background vocals When I was gonna say, OK, well, you gotta come over, do something for me on this song that God told Cable as well, you know, they got okay. I'll be over there two hours. So he came home for 35 or more years, something. And, uh, I had written, like, a little bit of a strip. When I wanted to do it, He said, Let me listen, Okay. Put it right there on that break down part. Yeah, I do. Whatever the fuck I want. Okay, whatever we got from Mike and then you just get his rap, You know,

spk_0:   46:28
it's still

spk_1:   46:30
agree with second take. You know, the first thing you do get a little bit better. So we did take and that's on the record, you know,

spk_0:   46:39
three. They did. They leave that in the video like it's his part cameraman

spk_1:   46:44
way where they did. So they do the video, right? And then they go, we're gonna have somebody else remix a song. It was bought rockers. It'll be like that, right? So we thought it was gonna come out great, right? And then we get before that we're like, What? Well, kiss, draft. We can put that in there. You know, I sex rated also like, Oh, fucking no bullshit. Put that back in there. We have a big guy argument with fucking with the record into that for, you know, a week or so we were. At least I was really pissed off, you know? Yeah, Check it out. You know, you're watching the video and they have that break down. And maybe maybe they should have just cut out the whole breakout herself because it doesn't make sense. If you watch the movie, you know it all centers outbreak on the kids running around shooting fucking and shit like that, you know? But it's like that. What chance is full to be right here? You know, they have Robocop. Something like, uh, I say go, you punkers like, Yeah, and I'm like, OK, I would discourage, you know, like like, you know, we was really embarrassing. We're going to the premiere about the Robocop, right, Sam Cisco and invite all these people down, right? Have you got a big giant, you know, opening, you know, and fucking What does a deer? Well, whatever. Couldn't show you could make it, but they have a mobile shop. This guy works for the record company, goes in this room and put on the Robocops to get you to do this is classic final Hey, walk around the crowd. Any fucking local common, everybody. Thank you. Think you're well, Reno? Oh, my God. We were laughing so fucking hard.

spk_0:   48:45
So they sign it like the autograph. Peter Weller it and sign it Robles

spk_1:   48:52
role and, you know, way the sisters Teoh Autograph letter. Shit. Where last hole walking time cracking? Because we do. These guys work for the the difficulty NATO layer.

spk_0:   49:04
Yeah,

spk_1:   49:04
and This is before the movie stars, right? And it was like a light on the block, you know, with a big, big bet. There's little cop giant posters everywhere. Close. You were thinking like, Oh, man, we hit the big time, You know, the movie theater. And we said we shouldn't back during back. Go get this wall right there. Were watching a movie the way for our part to come on. Right? And while I want to take home like, smooth get to get to the part where we do you know where the movie with little cock songs on and all that kind of shit, right? And we're a little TV day, like, Okay, that's it. You know, you know, they have a video like that, and it is The movie keeps going about 30 ways, you know, maybe thinking maybe before it's over, I'm like, Wait, I heresy like and then I medical. Don't you guys just sit? There was a credit to roll with. You want to credit the credit roll in, roll and roll and roll in roll? Very fucking last couple things. All of you know was written by Derek Davis or whatever you know, uh, got Teoh,

spk_0:   50:22
right? Everybody's already gone. Broke a

spk_1:   50:26
way to show up, you know?

spk_0:   50:30
Uh,

spk_1:   50:31
yeah. No, it's only spinal tap shit going on, man. Back in those days. Read, Watch filed, Captain, and we start cracking up. Can we go? Yeah. Last night I went to the same shit. You know, no one you know, go down. Always find out you're doing just, you know, do a bathroom resulted in it being a different area. You know, uh,

spk_0:   50:56
who did you guys like for the first album? Who did you to her with?

spk_1:   51:02
Yeah, way through the hell of that. That's why it took so long for you. Get a 2nd 1 out. We wanted to over 16 months.

spk_0:   51:11
Were you a

spk_1:   51:12
lonely toward They didn't know. You know, you're, uh no, No. What happened was we kept getting off. Like, uh, Jake, open up Aerosmith yourself, like Abbott. 83 or four days, you know, So we would say Okay, we're gonna any day now. We're gonna go out a big tour. But in the meantime, we were We were headlining across like all the clubs is like at theaters, and we should fans like trouble trying to cool the mobile van. Captain Booth, you know, like that baby just made a record. Maybe a month later than us or something. Or just for somebody don't work, you know, catching.

spk_0:   51:52
Yeah,

spk_1:   51:52
um, but no way. Usually go out. And, like, one band opened for us. That was, uh, you know, starting to become a national ass. And, uh, sometimes we have to bands with us. You know, like I said, you'd be pretty pretty decent. Cited close in. Pretty good theaters, you know? Yeah. First I want. Really? Well, actually, most Victorian with your skills sold out most of the time. Way really did think that we were on our way because it was good. You had good audiences. Yeah. Getting offered way we're gonna do is next thing you know, we fall through, you know, we get toward Europe for a month, and now listen, two days before Oh, well, they decided that this happened. That happened with the record company figures that you guys stay on the load here because of that, you know, whatever. You know, politics. So we didn't really know what radio, you know, way couldn't really tell the record company and will continue to know we're not gonna get. I mean, we have a winning horse, Pokot. Okay, so we couldn't tell that you guys don't know what you do and you know

spk_0:   52:53
Yeah, agency. Right.

spk_1:   52:56
You see, you know, Madonna and took us to Well, they know salted, you know?

spk_0:   53:01
Exactly. Wow. Yeah, that That's probably why I don't remember you guys because, you know, like, you follow who was touring and, um, the big bands, you know, And that's why I couldn't remember that you guys had who you'd open for it off. But you hadn't, So

spk_1:   53:22
yeah, wait. Open a lot of festivals and stuff like that, you know, holding up pretty big bands and things like that. You know, we played with Warren a few times a lot of time. Juncker Ros is a few times depends like that, you know, they were, But we never like I have got a serious tour where we were like, you know, we find Joey and thus underneath you don't mean for three months something like that never materialized. By the time, by the time our third song came out to go, wild came out. It was like all right now, you guys go back into studio or go back home and at least started writing another record.

spk_0:   53:58
Yeah, so was there. Ever so that third single, They never talk. I was I'm surprised that they never released. Desperate, to be honest with you.

spk_1:   54:07
Well, is that that was the one thing that really stuck in our crop for a long time. Has been really pissed up. Everybody. That about because when client signed the ban, he him and he had a conversation, just him and I. And he said, Look, we are you know, this is just talking to me. Of course. You still my head, but, like, I'm gonna make you guys superstars on this song. This song is gonna go Number one. I guarantee it. You know, I'm like, Okay, cool. But we're gonna release your third. His thing was released to rock songs. Did you guys acclamation with everybody Seems like a good size following. And then we'll crush them with balance. This is gonna be it. You know, this is gonna be a big ballot. You know, this is gonna be your dream on. You know, I'm gonna make you guys figure the narrow Smith. I mean, you know, he's being all our shit, like Okay, that's great, right? So then what happens is they released. Remember things down his bangle, the bell doing going good. And then also, we get a phone call from the record company going. You know what? We're gonna change direction. We know we're gonna release desperate, but we're not gonna do it right now. We're like, what you talking about? You know, and they're like, Well, we got an offer from Orion to pay for half your video. They want to start put your bidding, Lena. You know, Robocop. And and we were like, No, no, no. Yeah, we want to do that. But can we release that fourth in? You know, let's just get, you know, like, no, no, we guarantee we'll still get released after. So what? We're gonna have another solid form it So we're like, Well, okay. And by the time that fucking Friedel's come out now, it's a year later that it has been a fucking here, right? And they're like, Okay, time for you to come out like Well, we decided not. Oh, my God. You know, the records been after a year, you know, really way go. That's good enough traction, You know, You know, let's just getting to make another record. Man were sold, let down. So finished off So her, you know, just like my God, I can't believe it. The best on the record. And you guys just, you know, you don't want to do it anymore because you can work that people that were getting arrested have been working at a record and a year that was good enough for them, you know?

spk_0:   56:11
So it's almost it's almost like Robocop coming along was the hot thing. You know, it it was it waas for the exposure. But the best song on the album? Yeah, exactly.

spk_1:   56:27
And since they told us that there was no we're gonna do that, you know, fourth in we believe that, you know, And two months later comes along to release that record is like, not now. We've had a change for, you know, we spent X amount of dollars on your record. We've done that. We've got that. And, you know, we just feel that this kind of move on, man, we were fucking

spk_0:   56:48
no man on and hence take a list about ruse and

spk_1:   56:55
yeah, exactly. Jack Ponti, call the office, said, Hey, man, because you're sitting on a lot of shit on Desperate, and you guys are gonna release it. So, uh, you might have been rouge that I should talk. I don't care. Let him do it, man. Maybe you don't feel here and only some ways. I'm sorry, you know, and they released it Didn't do that. Good eater. You know, So, you

spk_0:   57:15
know, I didn't know that they had done it until later on. I found that album in a been for, like, $3. And, yeah, I don't

spk_1:   57:27
have a single leader, though I don't think they released it as a single.

spk_0:   57:31
That's crazy. And I was like, I remember the first time I heard that song and I thought I was just a kid, and I just I got the tape, right? And, you know, I was, like, 15 16 years old, and I we bought me and my body bottom line to stop from Colombia has what we book. But the funny thing was, you couldn't get a lot of those titles in Canada, so we feel that the American one from like circus magazine and scented and, well, we ended up getting all all the the tapes. Right? So I got about 80 and I remember the first time hearing that song and thinking that's fucking hit like, this is a hit man like, and then, yeah,

spk_1:   58:12
you want to know what's funny about that funny man? There's been covered. Probably me. I'm just just a meeting. But the body count, I would say he's been covered by about 10 to 15 other artists, and no one's ever made it a smash yet. I mean, it's been covered by, like, uh, RB singer check. Can't remember name right now. Uh, which is a, uh, can't their washer test? Just a test. It all kind of people that covered that song, but for some reason, it never got. I don't know, it's never came through. And the first thing I learned from it, though, don't sound that good. You know, I don't know where you know killers good in that song. Great melody. And you can change in just a little bit their way. But I don't think there's something better. You know me.

spk_0:   59:01
Yeah. I mean, of the two versions, I like the bottle on version. Better like the bombers, one is decent. It's good. But there's something about the sound and probably, you know, like just the way you guys did. It's different. And it's I think that's why I always saw that. If you guys have have been released, I think it would have done really well. But what am I didn't know either, right? So, yeah,

spk_1:   59:28
I think

spk_0:   59:29
this is one of those.

spk_1:   59:33
I always figured a reason for everything. Shit, man, that's on. Would be gun became a big smashing or something. Who knows? I don't know what the fuck you know, official, five million copies or something like that. Hill. I might go fucking us.

spk_0:   59:47
Yeah. Yeah. And who knows on the next record, what would have happened? You know, like, you know, you could have been totally different. You would have maybe read wrote different songs. Who knows, Right? It's just

spk_1:   59:58
people have to understand when you're your rock band, your first album. Especially if it does pretty damn good. And you're making your second line. Whatever you're you're you're in a bubble, Dan. Everybody did you talk to is someone you You're great.

spk_0:   1:0:12
Yeah.

spk_1:   1:0:12
And you can. Yeah. Nobody coming up you and give you a check and saying, you know, I don't know about this, so you better not do that or whatever. You know, everybody's just kissing your fucking ass. Do you start believing all that shit, you know?

spk_0:   1:0:25
Yeah.

spk_1:   1:0:25
And I think that's why a lot of musicians started turning to drugs just up. Kind of like. So, if I believe a little bit because they're like, not, You know, reality isn't exactly the same. You know, you're doing a lot of foreign, and there's, uh, you know, like it You get out of control really quick, you know? I mean, you start thinking you're a bad ass, you know? I mean, maybe you rock that really that good? You know, just people told you that. So it's hard to get grounded. It's hard to stay grounded. You're me?

spk_0:   1:0:54
Yeah,

spk_1:   1:0:57
you all the time.

spk_0:   1:0:59
All the absolute truth. I mean, even with a gold album, I'm sure I mean, things change that. I mean, there's that momenta manure, you know, you're going to that next level.

spk_1:   1:1:11
You know that. That's why I like, you know, I gotta hand it to people like Bon Jovi is something that they've always stay grounded. So, you know, our, uh, maybe a couple little favor from So for some reason, those guys in New Jersey, man, maybe they just come from a little bit, You know, they didn't go to l. A and get stuck in that fucking that hole. Just like party, party, party, party, party. You go crazy, you know?

spk_0:   1:1:37
Yeah, because we think this spot room,

spk_1:   1:1:39
it's hard not to fall into that trap You don't mean and become an emotional fucking racket enemy.

spk_0:   1:1:45
Yeah, that's great. I never really thought about it. I thought of it that way. I mean, you mentioned New Jersey in the skit. Rome, Bon Jovi.

spk_1:   1:1:51
Well, you know, and like, Motley Crue's, like, you know, that you get stuck in a machine. You don't mean they got they They grinded their way through it. And, of course, they have all kinds of problems. And they had problems for years. This is that? Yeah. I mean, you know, Yeah, they're still fucking doing, you know, sporadically right now, but still no, that they'll do you. No. Next week might change your mind, but, uh okay. You didn't do a lot of fucking shit. The only me.

spk_0:   1:2:18
Oh, no kidding. Yeah, yeah. I mean, everybody seemed the dirt, so they know. I mean, that's just the tip

spk_1:   1:2:24
of the

spk_0:   1:2:24
iceberg, because that's only two hours. It's only a two hour. Exactly. So I mean, they lived it every day. So for many years,

spk_1:   1:2:34
I remember the very first time we were played with those guys were in, uh, KGaA played a keystone Berkeley. This is, like right when they released their first wreck record, right? I mean, like, probably a week after or something. You know, we're all kids, your older kids, you know, we're pretty big Band Bay. Everybody and I was being called Candy, actually. Was in the persuaders in the bank, all candy, and, uh, any party would come. And just about everything. Tommy was crazy, just like it is now, you know?

spk_0:   1:3:06
Yeah,

spk_1:   1:3:07
but they had a lot of makeup on, so we were like, we got a little bit of maple on the Manny's locker. Guys, we're going to pull off old loan check. Help, your Honor. Well, here we go. Full good shape. Now, don't do that. Yeah, exploding. Within a year, they were playing everywhere like Holy man. You know, at that time there were serious, so young Agreed, But they had a record out And, you know, for us being left, competitors in our minds were standing with our arms folded looking at them, you know, the key shows Berkeley, you know, after we get done, we're watching going. People think you guys ready? Good. OK, please. OK, estimates, man. What you do best? A friend is just wild and crazy.

spk_0:   1:3:56
It's crazy. Play the up like to play the Was it the Ali Forum with like without a big record deal like it's when you think about it. That's insane. And I would never have been today. I don't think I know people. Just people gravitated towards bands like that just gravitated towards bands where they don't gravitate towards beings like that anymore. It's not, you know, I guess it's not cool anymore. I don't No, no, that's man. Well, um, I think I've taken up probably an hour of your time, and I appreciate it, man. That's really good.

spk_1:   1:4:35
Yeah, Great talk. Anybody. So it's coming up pretty soon or what happened?

spk_0:   1:4:40
Yeah, I will. I'll let you know. I'll tag you in it. I usually do from friends. I'll tell you in it. On 50 sport, can you'll see it and all? All Probably. I'll trying to get to its moral. So I composed It's more or Thursday we'll have it up quick.

spk_1:   1:4:54
Okay. Yeah. Cool. Just let me know. Let me know when it happened. I'll just do it back to you so that you can let people know and all that other shit.

spk_0:   1:5:01
Okay, Sounds good. Um, I'll send you a I'll send you a photo that cover two.

spk_1:   1:5:07
Father, Brother. You do that for me?

spk_0:   1:5:09
Yeah, that's what I think. I have it on my phone. I took a picture of it the other night, so let's go. All right. So good. There. Okay. You, too, man. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Way, way, way.