{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":0.93,"endTime":4.02,"body":"It's time to put on"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":0.93,"endTime":4.02,"body":"your sleuthing cap feel"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":4.05,"endTime":8.88,"body":"nailbiting dread and face heart"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":4.05,"endTime":8.88,"body":"racing fear. This is Queer"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":8.88,"endTime":12.39,"body":"Writers of Crime, where you'll"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":8.88,"endTime":12.39,"body":"get book recommendations and"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":12.39,"endTime":17.37,"body":"hear interviews with LGBTQ"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":12.39,"endTime":17.37,"body":"authors of mystery, suspense and"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":17.37,"endTime":21.27,"body":"thriller novels. Here's your"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":17.37,"endTime":21.27,"body":"host, Brad Shreve."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":21.81,"endTime":24.39,"body":"Hi, this is Brad."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":21.81,"endTime":24.39,"body":"Welcome to Queer Writers of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":24.39,"endTime":29.58,"body":"Crime. It is our first official"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":24.39,"endTime":29.58,"body":"episode back. We had a few weeks"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":29.58,"endTime":33.75,"body":"ago the Dave Brandstetter"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":29.58,"endTime":33.75,"body":"returning episode with Paul"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":33.75,"endTime":38.7,"body":"Oliver. And that was a special"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":33.75,"endTime":38.7,"body":"edition episode. But as of this"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":38.7,"endTime":42.78,"body":"episode with my guest, Marshall"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":38.7,"endTime":42.78,"body":"Thornton, this we are officially"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":42.78,"endTime":48.51,"body":"back doing two episodes not one,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":42.78,"endTime":48.51,"body":"two episodes every week. So as I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":48.51,"endTime":52.11,"body":"said, My guest today is Marshall"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":48.51,"endTime":52.11,"body":"Thornton, who has won three"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":52.11,"endTime":56.34,"body":"Lambda Literary Awards for Best"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":52.11,"endTime":56.34,"body":"Gay mystery. He was most known"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":56.34,"endTime":60.15,"body":"for the Boystown series. But I'd"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":56.34,"endTime":60.15,"body":"say at this point, there are"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":60.15,"endTime":63.51,"body":"probably some people that aren't"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":60.15,"endTime":63.51,"body":"even aware of the Boystown"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":63.51,"endTime":68.73,"body":"series and know him for his Pinx"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":63.51,"endTime":68.73,"body":"Video series. And his Wyandot"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":68.73,"endTime":72.09,"body":"County Mysteries. And I'll say"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":68.73,"endTime":72.09,"body":"this that when he announced that"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":72.09,"endTime":76.44,"body":"the Boystown series was going to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":72.09,"endTime":76.44,"body":"end people were distraught. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":76.44,"endTime":80.88,"body":"I think he made it okay. Welcome"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":76.44,"endTime":80.88,"body":"to the show, Marshall."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":82.17,"endTime":83.64,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":82.17,"endTime":83.64,"body":"having me. Brad."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":84.45,"endTime":86.1,"body":"Would you agree"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":84.45,"endTime":86.1,"body":"with what I just said?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":89.73,"endTime":91.59,"body":"That people"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":89.73,"endTime":91.59,"body":"prefer the pinks video."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":92.49,"endTime":94.77,"body":"Now not that they"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":92.49,"endTime":94.77,"body":"prefer it. But did they get over"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":94.77,"endTime":97.05,"body":"the distraught over Boystown"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":94.77,"endTime":97.05,"body":"quicker than they thought they"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":97.05,"endTime":97.32,"body":"would?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":97.53,"endTime":103.59,"body":"Um, some"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":97.53,"endTime":103.59,"body":"people have. I'd still I'm still"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":103.59,"endTime":108.09,"body":"trying not to give that secret"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":103.59,"endTime":108.09,"body":"away. But you know, I guess it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":108.12,"endTime":112.32,"body":"Oh, I guess it's maybe time. You"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":108.12,"endTime":112.32,"body":"know, I have started another"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":112.32,"endTime":116.79,"body":"series that does reference the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":112.32,"endTime":116.79,"body":"Boystown books quite a lot."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":116.97,"endTime":120.54,"body":"Let's put it that way. So if you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":116.97,"endTime":120.54,"body":"if you love that series, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":120.54,"endTime":121.17,"body":"know you can."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":121.35,"endTime":122.91,"body":"So this is an"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":121.35,"endTime":122.91,"body":"exclusive."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":123.45,"endTime":125.31,"body":"I haven't"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":123.45,"endTime":125.31,"body":"really talked about it before."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":125.31,"endTime":129.6,"body":"No, I mean, either. Obviously,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":125.31,"endTime":129.6,"body":"people have figured it out. Cuz"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":129.81,"endTime":134.04,"body":"your Year of the Rat, which came"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":129.81,"endTime":134.04,"body":"out last year, is a new series"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":134.04,"endTime":138.33,"body":"with a character named Dom"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":134.04,"endTime":138.33,"body":"Reilley. But it has really very,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":138.33,"endTime":141.48,"body":"very strong connections to the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":138.33,"endTime":141.48,"body":"Boystown Books and Nick Nowak."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":142.05,"endTime":144.99,"body":"So, and I'm actually writing the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":142.05,"endTime":144.99,"body":"second one today."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":146.52,"endTime":149.1,"body":"Actually, I think,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":146.52,"endTime":149.1,"body":"as you were writing that you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":149.1,"endTime":152.01,"body":"told me that one time, I recall"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":149.1,"endTime":152.01,"body":"that you mentioned"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":152.01,"endTime":154.56,"body":"it I might"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":152.01,"endTime":154.56,"body":"have I might have it's certainly"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":154.56,"endTime":157.8,"body":"I haven't actually talked about"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":154.56,"endTime":157.8,"body":"in any kind of, you know, public"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":157.8,"endTime":161.19,"body":"way before. But that I mean,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":157.8,"endTime":161.19,"body":"it's been an interesting"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":161.19,"endTime":164.01,"body":"experience to keep it going in a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":161.19,"endTime":164.01,"body":"different way."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":165.54,"endTime":168.81,"body":"I need to ask you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":165.54,"endTime":168.81,"body":"this. Are you a plotter or a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":168.81,"endTime":174.81,"body":"pantser? There's a reason I'm"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":168.81,"endTime":174.81,"body":"asking you another reason I'm"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":174.81,"endTime":175.29,"body":"asking."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":175.32,"endTime":176.31,"body":"why are you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":175.32,"endTime":176.31,"body":"asking?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":176.64,"endTime":180.18,"body":"back two years ago,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":176.64,"endTime":180.18,"body":"when before I even decided I was"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":180.18,"endTime":182.91,"body":"going to do a podcast? I was I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":180.18,"endTime":182.91,"body":"told you I was thinking about"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":182.91,"endTime":188.64,"body":"doing one. And you said, Please,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":182.91,"endTime":188.64,"body":"please don't ask the authors."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":188.91,"endTime":195.39,"body":"Are they a plotter or a pantser?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":188.91,"endTime":195.39,"body":"Nobody gives a damn. I gotta"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":195.39,"endTime":197.76,"body":"tell you, that was the best"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":195.39,"endTime":197.76,"body":"advice you could give me. Not"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":197.76,"endTime":200.4,"body":"just because of that question,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":197.76,"endTime":200.4,"body":"you made me realize that this"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":200.4,"endTime":204.57,"body":"show is for readers, not"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":200.4,"endTime":204.57,"body":"writers. So even though I do get"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":204.57,"endTime":207.27,"body":"into writing techniques, because"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":204.57,"endTime":207.27,"body":"it's a part of a writer's life,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":207.42,"endTime":211.95,"body":"it's not the focus of the show."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":207.42,"endTime":211.95,"body":"So and you put that in the right"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":211.95,"endTime":214.68,"body":"perspective for me, so I thank"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":211.95,"endTime":214.68,"body":"you for that very much."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":215.43,"endTime":216.21,"body":"You're"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":215.43,"endTime":216.21,"body":"welcome."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":216.99,"endTime":218.31,"body":"Since I asked the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":216.99,"endTime":218.31,"body":"question, why don't you tell"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":218.31,"endTime":220.53,"body":"people what the difference is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":218.31,"endTime":220.53,"body":"between a plotter and a pantser?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":220.74,"endTime":222.3,"body":"Oh, well,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":220.74,"endTime":222.3,"body":"certainly, you know, and some"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":222.3,"endTime":225.96,"body":"people write with outlines, and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":222.3,"endTime":225.96,"body":"some people just start writing."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":226.8,"endTime":229.44,"body":"And my personal experience, and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":226.8,"endTime":229.44,"body":"what I would recommend to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":229.44,"endTime":232.95,"body":"anybody is, you know, you have"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":229.44,"endTime":232.95,"body":"every book is different, and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":232.98,"endTime":236.49,"body":"they write themselves in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":232.98,"endTime":236.49,"body":"different ways. And certainly,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":236.52,"endTime":240.84,"body":"you know, you're at different"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":236.52,"endTime":240.84,"body":"points in your writing career."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":240.84,"endTime":246.09,"body":"And so, you know, it may work"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":240.84,"endTime":246.09,"body":"one way, when you written 10"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":246.09,"endTime":248.22,"body":"books, and it may work an"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":246.09,"endTime":248.22,"body":"entirely different way, when"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":248.22,"endTime":251.7,"body":"you've written 20. It all"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":248.22,"endTime":251.7,"body":"depends. And, you know, both"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":251.7,"endTime":258.57,"body":"have their advantage. I tend, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":251.7,"endTime":258.57,"body":"don't think I've ever outlined"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":258.57,"endTime":263.52,"body":"something or plotted something"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":258.57,"endTime":263.52,"body":"completely full out, because"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":263.52,"endTime":267.42,"body":"that then becomes a project in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":263.52,"endTime":267.42,"body":"itself. And, you know, I mean,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":267.42,"endTime":271.17,"body":"certainly if you're like, in the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":267.42,"endTime":271.17,"body":"film industry, you have to learn"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":271.17,"endTime":273.66,"body":"how to write an outline, and you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":271.17,"endTime":273.66,"body":"have to learn how to write one"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":273.66,"endTime":276.24,"body":"that people will respond to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":273.66,"endTime":276.24,"body":"because people will read them."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":276.45,"endTime":278.91,"body":"But you know, when you're just"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":276.45,"endTime":278.91,"body":"doing it for yourself in order"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":278.91,"endTime":282.42,"body":"to get the work done. You know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":278.91,"endTime":282.42,"body":"you really just need to do"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":282.42,"endTime":285.81,"body":"what's necessary. And whatever"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":282.42,"endTime":285.81,"body":"works for you."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":286.77,"endTime":288.9,"body":"What I'm curious"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":286.77,"endTime":288.9,"body":"about this folks out there. You"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":288.9,"endTime":293.07,"body":"can email me about this is are"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":288.9,"endTime":293.07,"body":"you interested in in the writing"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":293.37,"endTime":299.07,"body":"the craft, if you're a reader?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":293.37,"endTime":299.07,"body":"reason I ask is, I know that JK"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":299.07,"endTime":304.05,"body":"Rowling is plotter. And I know"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":299.07,"endTime":304.05,"body":"that Stephen King is a pantser."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":304.53,"endTime":307.59,"body":"And I only know that because I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":304.53,"endTime":307.59,"body":"read it, but really, I don't"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":307.59,"endTime":311.7,"body":"care. I really, I talk to like,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":307.59,"endTime":311.7,"body":"I would talk to you maybe about"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":311.7,"endTime":316.26,"body":"it. Because as writers, you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":311.7,"endTime":316.26,"body":"know, maybe saying I'll put you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":316.53,"endTime":319.68,"body":"on but do you do how much do you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":316.53,"endTime":319.68,"body":"plot but it's more trade talk"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":319.77,"endTime":322.23,"body":"beyond that what other people"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":319.77,"endTime":322.23,"body":"do, it's to me it's not"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":322.23,"endTime":326.55,"body":"interesting. So I don't know, if"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":322.23,"endTime":326.55,"body":"we're both wrong, leave a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":326.55,"endTime":330.45,"body":"message or voicemail or send it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":326.55,"endTime":330.45,"body":"send a message and say, you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":330.45,"endTime":332.16,"body":"know, what? Bratton, Marshall"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":330.45,"endTime":332.16,"body":"wrong."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":334.14,"endTime":335.55,"body":"I do think"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":334.14,"endTime":335.55,"body":"what you just said is"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":335.55,"endTime":340.8,"body":"interesting about JK Rowling,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":335.55,"endTime":340.8,"body":"because I have been asked, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":340.8,"endTime":346.98,"body":"know, if I plot my series, all"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":340.8,"endTime":346.98,"body":"the way through, and typically,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":347.07,"endTime":351.3,"body":"I actually typically I had never"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":347.07,"endTime":351.3,"body":"heard at all I didn't, you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":351.3,"endTime":354.54,"body":"I had no idea how many Boystown"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":351.3,"endTime":354.54,"body":"books I would write when I wrote"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":354.54,"endTime":357.99,"body":"the first one. I didn't even"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":354.54,"endTime":357.99,"body":"know if I would write a second"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":357.99,"endTime":363.87,"body":"one. And I've never, I've never"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":357.99,"endTime":363.87,"body":"done that with any series. I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":363.9,"endTime":367.8,"body":"typically get an idea for the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":363.9,"endTime":367.8,"body":"next book, while writing,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":368.49,"endTime":373.11,"body":"whatever, whichever one I'm"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":368.49,"endTime":373.11,"body":"working on. And I may have"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":373.14,"endTime":376.89,"body":"several books in mind. But I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":373.14,"endTime":376.89,"body":"mean, at the moment, you know, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":376.89,"endTime":380.28,"body":"have no idea how long I've been"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":376.89,"endTime":380.28,"body":"to write the Pink's books, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":380.28,"endTime":382.83,"body":"just kind of get a feeling, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":380.28,"endTime":382.83,"body":"know, with boys time, I kind of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":382.83,"endTime":386.61,"body":"felt like, I think I've done as"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":382.83,"endTime":386.61,"body":"much as I can in Chicago. And it"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":386.61,"endTime":392.16,"body":"was time to move on to something"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":386.61,"endTime":392.16,"body":"else, wildly different. So I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":392.16,"endTime":396.15,"body":"don't know. I mean that I don't"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":392.16,"endTime":396.15,"body":"know how to do that. Because if"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":396.15,"endTime":400.2,"body":"I write one book a year and a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":396.15,"endTime":400.2,"body":"series, I don't want to plot out"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":400.2,"endTime":404.01,"body":"10 books, because by the time I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":400.2,"endTime":404.01,"body":"get to number nine, I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":404.01,"endTime":405.18,"body":"start to get bored."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":406.44,"endTime":408.6,"body":"Well, I hope you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":406.44,"endTime":408.6,"body":"continue the Pinx Video series."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":408.6,"endTime":412.65,"body":"I enjoy Boystown. I really"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":408.6,"endTime":412.65,"body":"enjoyed reading the the Wyandot"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":412.65,"endTime":415.89,"body":"County mystery which we're going"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":412.65,"endTime":415.89,"body":"to talk about today. But Pinx"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":415.92,"endTime":419.4,"body":"video Noah, I so connected with"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":415.92,"endTime":419.4,"body":"Noah and his friends. I know all"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":419.4,"endTime":422.25,"body":"of them personally, that you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":419.4,"endTime":422.25,"body":"know, hanging out in Silver Lake"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":422.25,"endTime":425.58,"body":"with this crowd is i So connect"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":422.25,"endTime":425.58,"body":"with that. So that's why I enjoy"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":425.58,"endTime":428.97,"body":"the video series. So for my"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":425.58,"endTime":428.97,"body":"sake, please continue for at"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":428.97,"endTime":429.81,"body":"least a little while."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":430.14,"endTime":431.73,"body":"Okay, Brad,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":430.14,"endTime":431.73,"body":"just for you."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":432.92,"endTime":435.53,"body":"Thank you. Thank"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":432.92,"endTime":435.53,"body":"you. So I want to talk about"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":435.53,"endTime":441.08,"body":"this. So you announced the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":435.53,"endTime":441.08,"body":"Boystown was, indeed, the final"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":441.08,"endTime":445.61,"body":"one came out in 2020. At that"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":441.08,"endTime":445.61,"body":"time, you were doing the Pinx"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":445.64,"endTime":450.53,"body":"video series. And the last one"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":445.64,"endTime":450.53,"body":"of those stopped in 2020. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":450.53,"endTime":453.86,"body":"I'm like, What's up here. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":450.53,"endTime":453.86,"body":"then you started the book, The"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":453.86,"endTime":457.04,"body":"Less Than Specatular Times of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":453.86,"endTime":457.04,"body":"Heny Milch, which was the first"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":457.07,"endTime":461.12,"body":"Wyandont Count book that came"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":457.07,"endTime":461.12,"body":"out in 2020, then you did The"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":461.12,"endTime":464.57,"body":"Year of the Rat. So what you're"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":461.12,"endTime":464.57,"body":"saying now is going to write"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":464.57,"endTime":469.43,"body":"another Pinx Video. So we have a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":464.57,"endTime":469.43,"body":"Pinx Video series, we have the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":469.43,"endTime":473.39,"body":"Wyandot County series, we have"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":469.43,"endTime":473.39,"body":"the Dom Reilley mysteries, you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":473.39,"endTime":478.13,"body":"were really focused for years on"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":473.39,"endTime":478.13,"body":"one series. And now you have"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":478.16,"endTime":481.01,"body":"what is that for three or four?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":478.16,"endTime":481.01,"body":"At one time? Very good. Three,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":481.29,"endTime":481.95,"body":"going?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":482.28,"endTime":484.02,"body":"Hi, yeah, how much"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":482.28,"endTime":484.02,"body":"of a challenge is,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":484.36,"endTime":488.5,"body":"um, it's not"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":484.36,"endTime":488.5,"body":"much of a challenge. I mean, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":488.56,"endTime":492.07,"body":"certainly this year, I realized,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":488.56,"endTime":492.07,"body":"okay, I'm only going to write"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":492.07,"endTime":496.0,"body":"mysteries. And so you know, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":492.07,"endTime":496.0,"body":"have an idea for something else"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":496.0,"endTime":499.21,"body":"I'd like to write and I might be"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":496.0,"endTime":499.21,"body":"able to squeeze it in. But it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":499.21,"endTime":501.73,"body":"only you know, it's only gonna"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":499.21,"endTime":501.73,"body":"be difficult if I get a really"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":501.73,"endTime":504.43,"body":"strong feeling for something"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":501.73,"endTime":504.43,"body":"else, I want to write that out"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":504.43,"endTime":508.69,"body":"of that genre. Also, in there"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":504.43,"endTime":508.69,"body":"was Fathers of the Bride last"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":508.78,"endTime":513.13,"body":"summer. So that's part of why"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":508.78,"endTime":513.13,"body":"the others have taken a little"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":513.13,"endTime":518.2,"body":"bit longer. But typically, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":513.13,"endTime":518.2,"body":"know, I really want to get back"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":518.2,"endTime":522.43,"body":"to a particular series, I really"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":518.2,"endTime":522.43,"body":"wanted to get back to the Don"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":522.43,"endTime":526.99,"body":"Reilly series, and I'm really"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":522.43,"endTime":526.99,"body":"happy to be in there about, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":526.99,"endTime":529.81,"body":"guess I'm about a quarter of the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":526.99,"endTime":529.81,"body":"way through the book. And that's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":529.81,"endTime":530.8,"body":"really kind of,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":532.44,"endTime":534.54,"body":"well, the reason I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":532.44,"endTime":534.54,"body":"asked for challenging is because"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":534.72,"endTime":540.21,"body":"the tone and the feel of each of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":534.72,"endTime":540.21,"body":"the books is very different. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":540.36,"endTime":542.94,"body":"I'm impressed when somebody can"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":540.36,"endTime":542.94,"body":"do that. So Well,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":542.97,"endTime":546.48,"body":"thank you."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":542.97,"endTime":546.48,"body":"Thank you. It's actually not"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":546.48,"endTime":549.66,"body":"that difficult for me. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":546.48,"endTime":549.66,"body":"they're, you know, since I write"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":549.66,"endTime":554.7,"body":"first persons I write in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":549.66,"endTime":554.7,"body":"character. It's just a matter of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":554.73,"endTime":559.77,"body":"like, being with that character."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":554.73,"endTime":559.77,"body":"So it's, it's just a, it's a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":559.77,"endTime":564.18,"body":"larger extension of what you do"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":559.77,"endTime":564.18,"body":"in a scene with four people. You"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":564.18,"endTime":567.0,"body":"know, you try to capture the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":564.18,"endTime":567.0,"body":"voice of each character."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":568.77,"endTime":570.66,"body":"It's interesting,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":568.77,"endTime":570.66,"body":"you bring that up, because I was"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":570.69,"endTime":574.29,"body":"I read an article you wrote a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":570.69,"endTime":574.29,"body":"few years ago in a screenwriters"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":574.29,"endTime":579.48,"body":"magazine, about the where"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":574.29,"endTime":579.48,"body":"writers are taught to write what"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":579.48,"endTime":582.6,"body":"you know, which I always said"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":579.48,"endTime":582.6,"body":"was stupid, stupid advice,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":582.6,"endTime":584.55,"body":"because if you only write what"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":582.6,"endTime":584.55,"body":"you know, you're only gonna be"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":584.55,"endTime":587.1,"body":"able to write two or three books"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":584.55,"endTime":587.1,"body":"in your be done. But actually,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":587.1,"endTime":590.7,"body":"that's not necessarily true."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":587.1,"endTime":590.7,"body":"Because there's a little of you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":590.7,"endTime":593.46,"body":"in every one of your books."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":590.7,"endTime":593.46,"body":"You've lived in Chicago with"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":593.46,"endTime":597.75,"body":"Boystown you lived in in Silver"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":593.46,"endTime":597.75,"body":"Lake with Pinx Video. Wyandot"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":597.75,"endTime":600.06,"body":"County, we have that in"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":597.75,"endTime":600.06,"body":"Michigan, which is where you're"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":600.06,"endTime":603.06,"body":"currently living. And I've also"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":600.06,"endTime":603.06,"body":"heard you say that you've"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":603.66,"endTime":609.48,"body":"described apartments and such"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":603.66,"endTime":609.48,"body":"that you've lived in. Yeah. So"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":609.51,"endTime":611.37,"body":"So in a sense, you are writing"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":609.51,"endTime":611.37,"body":"what you know."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":612.05,"endTime":614.39,"body":"Absolutely. I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":612.05,"endTime":614.39,"body":"mean, I understand you're, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":614.39,"endTime":617.66,"body":"know, when you say that, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":614.39,"endTime":617.66,"body":"don't feel like there's many"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":617.66,"endTime":619.88,"body":"books if you're just gonna stick"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":617.66,"endTime":619.88,"body":"to yourself. And there was a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":619.88,"endTime":622.73,"body":"time in my life where I was"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":619.88,"endTime":622.73,"body":"like, whoa, what, right, but you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":622.73,"endTime":627.86,"body":"know, I don't know anything. But"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":622.73,"endTime":627.86,"body":"I began to realize that I do"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":627.86,"endTime":631.91,"body":"know a lot. And it's easy to put"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":627.86,"endTime":631.91,"body":"myself in situations that are"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":632.27,"endTime":636.02,"body":"partially similar. I mean, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":632.27,"endTime":636.02,"body":"certainly never solved a murder."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":637.1,"endTime":640.28,"body":"That part of it right, not"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":637.1,"endTime":640.28,"body":"writing what I, I guess, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":640.28,"endTime":645.62,"body":"know, I have this really great"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":640.28,"endTime":645.62,"body":"writers group, we've been"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":645.62,"endTime":648.92,"body":"meeting now again, for two"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":645.62,"endTime":648.92,"body":"years, we met a lot when I was"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":648.92,"endTime":654.11,"body":"in school, at UCLA. And, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":648.92,"endTime":654.11,"body":"know, we reconnected during the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":654.11,"endTime":659.15,"body":"pandemic, and they're all a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":654.11,"endTime":659.15,"body":"little younger than I am. But"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":659.24,"endTime":663.47,"body":"I'm realizing more and more that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":659.24,"endTime":663.47,"body":"you have to always ask yourself,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":664.37,"endTime":669.68,"body":"Why me? When you write"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":664.37,"endTime":669.68,"body":"something, because you have to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":669.68,"endTime":673.76,"body":"be able to market it. And you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":669.68,"endTime":673.76,"body":"have to sell it to someone in a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":673.76,"endTime":678.83,"body":"studio, or you have to sell it"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":673.76,"endTime":678.83,"body":"as a book. And people really do"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":678.83,"endTime":683.51,"body":"want to know, why should I read"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":678.83,"endTime":683.51,"body":"this from you, you know, what"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":683.51,"endTime":687.77,"body":"gives you the authority to write"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":683.51,"endTime":687.77,"body":"something. And the authenticity"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":687.77,"endTime":690.95,"body":"and I mean, not that everybody"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":687.77,"endTime":690.95,"body":"cares about these issues, but"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":691.28,"endTime":696.23,"body":"and actually even helps you as a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":691.28,"endTime":696.23,"body":"writer to know why you think"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":696.23,"endTime":699.8,"body":"you're, it's important that you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":696.23,"endTime":699.8,"body":"talk about something. And"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":699.8,"endTime":703.1,"body":"certainly, even you know, as"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":699.8,"endTime":703.1,"body":"you're talking about my books,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":704.09,"endTime":709.97,"body":"I'm actually very grateful that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":704.09,"endTime":709.97,"body":"I started the Pinx Video books"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":709.97,"endTime":715.79,"body":"and set them in Silverlake"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":709.97,"endTime":715.79,"body":"because that neighborhood is"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":715.91,"endTime":720.65,"body":"essentially gone. There's one"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":715.91,"endTime":720.65,"body":"gay bar in that neighborhood,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":720.65,"endTime":724.97,"body":"from what I understand. And it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":720.65,"endTime":724.97,"body":"no longer a gay neighborhood."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":725.27,"endTime":730.52,"body":"And so I'm very happy that I'm"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":725.27,"endTime":730.52,"body":"capturing little tidbits of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":730.52,"endTime":732.05,"body":"that. In my books."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":732.78,"endTime":736.77,"body":"There actually may"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":732.78,"endTime":736.77,"body":"be two, there's the Eagle, which"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":736.77,"endTime":738.96,"body":"used to be the Gauntlet, which"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":736.77,"endTime":738.96,"body":"used to be something else, it's"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":738.96,"endTime":742.41,"body":"been changed its name four"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":738.96,"endTime":742.41,"body":"times. That's still there. Is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":742.41,"endTime":746.28,"body":"that okay, and Ahbar really"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":742.41,"endTime":746.28,"body":"isn't? In Silver Lake but kind"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":746.28,"endTime":748.53,"body":"of at the fringe, right. But"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":746.28,"endTime":748.53,"body":"actually, you know what? That's,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":748.59,"endTime":751.5,"body":"that's very gentrified. It's it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":748.59,"endTime":751.5,"body":"they call themselves a gay bar."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":751.5,"endTime":753.57,"body":"But I think if you walked in the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":751.5,"endTime":753.57,"body":"door, you wouldn't know it. So"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":754.05,"endTime":758.19,"body":"you're right. There really is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":754.05,"endTime":758.19,"body":"only one. And I was in Silver"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":758.19,"endTime":763.23,"body":"Lake about decade after you were"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":758.19,"endTime":763.23,"body":"during the early 2000s. And it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":763.23,"endTime":766.98,"body":"was still very much like you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":763.23,"endTime":766.98,"body":"described. And I think I I know"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":766.98,"endTime":769.95,"body":"I've mentioned on the show, and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":766.98,"endTime":769.95,"body":"maybe to you, when I started"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":769.95,"endTime":773.34,"body":"writing my series, Mitch, my"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":769.95,"endTime":773.34,"body":"protagonist lives in Silver"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":773.34,"endTime":777.87,"body":"Lake. And I said, you know, I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":773.34,"endTime":777.87,"body":"better take a look over there"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":777.87,"endTime":781.83,"body":"because I live way on the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":777.87,"endTime":781.83,"body":"opposite side of LA now. And I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":781.83,"endTime":784.83,"body":"pulled up on Google Maps, and I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":781.83,"endTime":784.83,"body":"said, Oh, shit, I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":784.83,"endTime":788.25,"body":"have to go for a drive. Because"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":784.83,"endTime":788.25,"body":"it is because it's a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":788.25,"endTime":791.19,"body":"contemporary story. I said, it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":788.25,"endTime":791.19,"body":"doesn't look at all like I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":791.19,"endTime":793.86,"body":"remember. Sure. I went over"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":791.19,"endTime":793.86,"body":"there. And it's it's a whole"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":793.86,"endTime":796.05,"body":"different world. Yeah, it's a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":793.86,"endTime":796.05,"body":"whole different world. It's it's"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":796.05,"endTime":799.17,"body":"very gentrified. It's a it's a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":796.05,"endTime":799.17,"body":"nice community, but it's not"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":799.17,"endTime":802.11,"body":"Silver Lake like I remember like"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":799.17,"endTime":802.11,"body":"You remember, right, kind of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":802.11,"endTime":804.33,"body":"sad. But that's happening"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":802.11,"endTime":804.33,"body":"everywhere."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":805.2,"endTime":808.68,"body":"It is. It is"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":805.2,"endTime":808.68,"body":"and it's very unfortunate."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":809.16,"endTime":811.14,"body":"Yeah, West"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":809.16,"endTime":811.14,"body":"Hollywood is fast vanishing. You"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":811.14,"endTime":814.17,"body":"told me Boystown is kind of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":811.14,"endTime":814.17,"body":"vanishing. The Castro is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":814.17,"endTime":819.36,"body":"vanishing. The ghettos are going"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":814.17,"endTime":819.36,"body":"away. Yes. For good, for better"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":819.36,"endTime":821.52,"body":"or for worse. I think there's"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":819.36,"endTime":821.52,"body":"positive and negative with it."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":822.41,"endTime":826.73,"body":"Yeah, I think"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":822.41,"endTime":826.73,"body":"the reason they're going away is"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":826.73,"endTime":831.26,"body":"really sad. You know, people"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":826.73,"endTime":831.26,"body":"tell you, Oh, it's the apps and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":831.26,"endTime":835.58,"body":"it's I don't believe that for a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":831.26,"endTime":835.58,"body":"minute. The reason that these"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":835.58,"endTime":839.54,"body":"places are disappearing is that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":835.58,"endTime":839.54,"body":"young people cannot afford to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":839.54,"endTime":844.07,"body":"live in these places. You know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":839.54,"endTime":844.07,"body":"when I was a kid, you know, when"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":844.07,"endTime":848.18,"body":"I was in Boystown, I was in my"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":844.07,"endTime":848.18,"body":"20s when I would hang out in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":848.18,"endTime":852.41,"body":"Silver Lake I was in my early"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":848.18,"endTime":852.41,"body":"30s And those that's the age of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":852.41,"endTime":858.62,"body":"the people who really kept these"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":852.41,"endTime":858.62,"body":"ghettos quote going but you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":858.62,"endTime":863.87,"body":"know, it's really challenging to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":858.62,"endTime":863.87,"body":"be those ages now and live in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":863.87,"endTime":867.44,"body":"these places. Or you know live"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":863.87,"endTime":867.44,"body":"anywhere that isn't suburban or"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":867.44,"endTime":869.36,"body":"your your parents basement"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":871.37,"endTime":874.1,"body":"Yeah, and while the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":871.37,"endTime":874.1,"body":"big joke and it's not really a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":874.1,"endTime":878.15,"body":"joke is that the for the Castro"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":874.1,"endTime":878.15,"body":"one time was a pretty I wouldn't"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":878.15,"endTime":881.12,"body":"say rundown neighborhood but"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":878.15,"endTime":881.12,"body":"wasn't the nicest of places and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":881.66,"endTime":884.69,"body":"us gays folks moved in and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":881.66,"endTime":884.69,"body":"started fixing up the place and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":885.77,"endTime":888.95,"body":"can't afford it anymore. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":885.77,"endTime":888.95,"body":"actually the exodus of the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":888.95,"endTime":891.44,"body":"Castro's for for several"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":888.95,"endTime":891.44,"body":"reasons. One like you said it's"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":891.47,"endTime":894.62,"body":"grossly expensive and I used to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":891.47,"endTime":894.62,"body":"live to go to the Castro every"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":894.62,"endTime":897.74,"body":"weekend. A lot. My friends have"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":894.62,"endTime":897.74,"body":"left San Francisco in general"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":897.77,"endTime":900.68,"body":"because they just say the city"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":897.77,"endTime":900.68,"body":"has too many problems. And it's"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":900.68,"endTime":903.77,"body":"one of the reasons why Palm"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":900.68,"endTime":903.77,"body":"Springs exploded as a gay Mecca."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":903.89,"endTime":906.74,"body":"I don't know when the last time"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":903.89,"endTime":906.74,"body":"you were in West Hollywood"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":906.74,"endTime":908.51,"body":"It was a very"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":906.74,"endTime":908.51,"body":"long time ago."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":908.0,"endTime":911.75,"body":"But you probably"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":908.0,"endTime":911.75,"body":"wouldn't recognize it either."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":912.14,"endTime":915.38,"body":"Well, first of all, there were"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":912.14,"endTime":915.38,"body":"still a good number of gay bars"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":915.38,"endTime":918.71,"body":"before the pandemic, the last"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":915.38,"endTime":918.71,"body":"count I had since the pandemic"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":918.71,"endTime":920.9,"body":"hit. And I hate to talk about"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":918.71,"endTime":920.9,"body":"that, but I'm going to bring up"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":920.9,"endTime":924.47,"body":"anyway, the last time I had is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":920.9,"endTime":924.47,"body":"eight bars had closed since the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":924.47,"endTime":927.53,"body":"pandemic it including the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":924.47,"endTime":927.53,"body":"Faultline, but one really West"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":927.53,"endTime":931.67,"body":"Hollywood. But anyway, if you go"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":927.53,"endTime":931.67,"body":"there now, it's very upscale"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":931.67,"endTime":936.53,"body":"stores, very upscale"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":931.67,"endTime":936.53,"body":"condominiums, and a lot of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":936.53,"endTime":941.54,"body":"homeless camps. There's no in"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":936.53,"endTime":941.54,"body":"between. Wow. Lots and lots"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":941.54,"endTime":944.27,"body":"homeless camps. Yeah, it'd been"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":941.54,"endTime":944.27,"body":"years before I'd been up there."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":944.27,"endTime":946.67,"body":"And I drove up that way, my"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":944.27,"endTime":946.67,"body":"husband and I drove through it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":946.67,"endTime":949.46,"body":"on our way to somewhere, just"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":946.67,"endTime":949.46,"body":"check it out. And I'm like, Oh,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":949.46,"endTime":952.49,"body":"my God, this has changed so"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":949.46,"endTime":952.49,"body":"much. And been there a few times"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":952.49,"endTime":953.72,"body":"since then. It's still the same."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":953.789,"endTime":956.069,"body":"Yeah, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":953.789,"endTime":956.069,"body":"thought it brought up an"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":956.069,"endTime":960.749,"body":"interesting point. It's, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":956.069,"endTime":960.749,"body":"know, it's not just that we"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":960.749,"endTime":963.479,"body":"can't live in these"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":960.749,"endTime":963.479,"body":"neighborhoods anymore. But it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":963.479,"endTime":967.829,"body":"also that the bars can't afford"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":963.479,"endTime":967.829,"body":"to stay there. You know, the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":967.829,"endTime":972.359,"body":"real estate cost of the actual"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":967.829,"endTime":972.359,"body":"businesses. You know, I mean,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":972.359,"endTime":977.399,"body":"uh, the gay guy knows that I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":972.359,"endTime":977.399,"body":"lived in most of my life, it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":977.399,"endTime":980.699,"body":"like, you know, it wasn't just"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":977.399,"endTime":980.699,"body":"bars, it was little restaurants,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":980.699,"endTime":984.629,"body":"it was little shops, you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":980.699,"endTime":984.629,"body":"little places that catered to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":984.719,"endTime":988.589,"body":"the community. You know, and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":984.719,"endTime":988.589,"body":"they were businesses that didn't"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":988.589,"endTime":992.939,"body":"have an enormous margin. You"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":988.589,"endTime":992.939,"body":"know, and so now they're like,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":992.969,"endTime":997.409,"body":"you know, they can't compete"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":992.969,"endTime":997.409,"body":"with some name brand plays that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":997.409,"endTime":1001.879,"body":"everybody sees, you know. And"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":997.409,"endTime":1001.879,"body":"that's really sad. Because now"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1001.909,"endTime":1004.369,"body":"everywhere you go in the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1001.909,"endTime":1004.369,"body":"country, it's like, it's the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1004.369,"endTime":1010.309,"body":"same. There's no reason to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1004.369,"endTime":1010.309,"body":"travel. Because, yeah, like the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1010.309,"endTime":1013.729,"body":"same stores in this town that I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1010.309,"endTime":1013.729,"body":"have. It's just like, weird."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1014.29,"endTime":1016.12,"body":"You know, it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1014.29,"endTime":1016.12,"body":"started with the interstates,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1016.15,"endTime":1019.18,"body":"because every exit had the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1016.15,"endTime":1019.18,"body":"McDonald's in the same thing."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1019.18,"endTime":1022.72,"body":"And now it's pretty much all all"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1019.18,"endTime":1022.72,"body":"cities. Yeah, you know,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1022.75,"endTime":1026.08,"body":"especially if you go to tourist"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1022.75,"endTime":1026.08,"body":"Cities, everyone has a Hard Rock"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1026.08,"endTime":1030.43,"body":"Cafe and, and I can list off all"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1026.08,"endTime":1030.43,"body":"the stores. It's like, why"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1030.43,"endTime":1032.71,"body":"bother anymore? Because it's"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1030.43,"endTime":1032.71,"body":"just gonna be the same thing"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1032.71,"endTime":1035.26,"body":"that you saw the last place, I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1032.71,"endTime":1035.26,"body":"do actually have a theory. And I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1035.26,"endTime":1037.9,"body":"want to ask you this. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1035.26,"endTime":1037.9,"body":"since we're talking about the,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1038.74,"endTime":1041.68,"body":"the leases and that sort of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1038.74,"endTime":1041.68,"body":"thing, now, you lived in Silver"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1041.68,"endTime":1044.23,"body":"Lake and I lived in Silver Lake"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1041.68,"endTime":1044.23,"body":"and we and we know of Circus of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1044.23,"endTime":1047.95,"body":"Books. And it's pretty obvious"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1044.23,"endTime":1047.95,"body":"that Circus of Books, for those"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1047.95,"endTime":1050.98,"body":"that haven't been in the area or"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1047.95,"endTime":1050.98,"body":"haven't seen the Netflix,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1051.07,"endTime":1054.73,"body":"special about Circus of Books,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1051.07,"endTime":1054.73,"body":"it was an adult video store,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1055.12,"endTime":1058.36,"body":"with magazines. And, and that's"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1055.12,"endTime":1058.36,"body":"primarily what it was, was the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1058.36,"endTime":1062.65,"body":"videos, and it was very popular."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1058.36,"endTime":1062.65,"body":"Now, it's easy to say that the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1062.65,"endTime":1065.35,"body":"internet killed it. I have no"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1062.65,"endTime":1065.35,"body":"doubt that the internet killed"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1065.35,"endTime":1068.53,"body":"Circus of Books. But I have"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1065.35,"endTime":1068.53,"body":"another theory about stores like"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1068.53,"endTime":1072.22,"body":"White Rabbit books that used to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1068.53,"endTime":1072.22,"body":"be in West Hollywood was there"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1072.22,"endTime":1075.88,"body":"was a big one in New York City"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1072.22,"endTime":1075.88,"body":"that anyway, every major city"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1075.88,"endTime":1079.63,"body":"had the gay bookstore or a few"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1075.88,"endTime":1079.63,"body":"of the Big Gay bookstores, and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1079.63,"endTime":1083.65,"body":"they're all gone, right? My"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1079.63,"endTime":1083.65,"body":"theory is, because a lot of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1083.65,"endTime":1085.72,"body":"people are saying, well, gay"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1083.65,"endTime":1085.72,"body":"people aren't reading anymore,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1085.72,"endTime":1088.66,"body":"especially gay men aren't"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1085.72,"endTime":1088.66,"body":"reading anymore. My theory is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1088.69,"endTime":1093.04,"body":"all of those bookstores that had"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1088.69,"endTime":1093.04,"body":"the beautiful displays. All we"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1093.04,"endTime":1096.64,"body":"still had that magazine rack,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1093.04,"endTime":1096.64,"body":"right. And there were always a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1096.64,"endTime":1099.82,"body":"lot of guys at that magazine"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1096.64,"endTime":1099.82,"body":"rack. And my theory is that"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1100.27,"endTime":1104.89,"body":"those stores sold great gay"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1100.27,"endTime":1104.89,"body":"novels, or nonfiction, gay"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1104.89,"endTime":1108.28,"body":"books. But it was probably those"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1104.89,"endTime":1108.28,"body":"magazines that kept them"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1108.28,"endTime":1112.39,"body":"running. So my thought is, maybe"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1108.28,"endTime":1112.39,"body":"it was the internet that killed"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1112.39,"endTime":1114.82,"body":"them to think there's anything"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1112.39,"endTime":1114.82,"body":"to that?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1116.24,"endTime":1119.21,"body":"Yes, and no,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1116.24,"endTime":1119.21,"body":"I mean, everything that you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1119.21,"endTime":1122.81,"body":"could get in a gay bookstore was"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1119.21,"endTime":1122.81,"body":"stuff you could not get"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1122.81,"endTime":1125.99,"body":"somewhere else. You know, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1122.81,"endTime":1125.99,"body":"mean, certainly, you know, if"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1125.99,"endTime":1131.87,"body":"you're talking about porno"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1125.99,"endTime":1131.87,"body":"magazines, per se, does barely"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1131.87,"endTime":1135.29,"body":"exist anymore. And I suppose"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1131.87,"endTime":1135.29,"body":"that is internet based"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1135.35,"endTime":1142.25,"body":"phenomenon. I mean, I would also"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1135.35,"endTime":1142.25,"body":"say that, you know, major gay"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1142.25,"endTime":1147.14,"body":"fiction has really shifted,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1142.25,"endTime":1147.14,"body":"there was a moment in the 90s,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1147.14,"endTime":1150.32,"body":"where it was really strong and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1147.14,"endTime":1150.32,"body":"very specific and very"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1150.32,"endTime":1155.6,"body":"authentic. And now, it's,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1150.32,"endTime":1155.6,"body":"there's not a whole lot of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1155.6,"endTime":1160.67,"body":"interest in anything like that,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1155.6,"endTime":1160.67,"body":"you know, what I see on the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1160.67,"endTime":1165.95,"body":"shelves and I work in a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1160.67,"endTime":1165.95,"body":"bookstore is stuff that's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1165.95,"endTime":1171.5,"body":"palatable to straight people,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1165.95,"endTime":1171.5,"body":"you know, from from major"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1171.5,"endTime":1174.11,"body":"publishers, it's like they're"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1171.5,"endTime":1174.11,"body":"putting, you know, they want to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1174.11,"endTime":1177.47,"body":"put out things that strike"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1174.11,"endTime":1177.47,"body":"people want to read about gay"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1177.47,"endTime":1180.89,"body":"people about queer people. You"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1177.47,"endTime":1180.89,"body":"know, it's like so there's a lot"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1180.89,"endTime":1185.12,"body":"of books basically answer"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1180.89,"endTime":1185.12,"body":"questions, you know, and not not"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1185.12,"endTime":1188.51,"body":"just in a nonfiction manner, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1185.12,"endTime":1188.51,"body":"know, they they answer questions"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1188.51,"endTime":1191.15,"body":"in a fictional way so that, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1188.51,"endTime":1191.15,"body":"know, straight people get"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1191.15,"endTime":1194.09,"body":"curious. So they've got"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1191.15,"endTime":1194.09,"body":"relatives and it's like, oh, go"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1194.09,"endTime":1197.48,"body":"to the bookstore. They're, like"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1194.09,"endTime":1197.48,"body":"the major part of the market,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1198.2,"endTime":1203.21,"body":"which is a little odd. And I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1198.2,"endTime":1203.21,"body":"kind of I don't I don't know"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1203.21,"endTime":1206.51,"body":"that I believe gay men don't"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1203.21,"endTime":1206.51,"body":"read because I get contact from"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1206.51,"endTime":1209.57,"body":"them a lot. You know, I have a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1206.51,"endTime":1209.57,"body":"guy send me an email this"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1209.57,"endTime":1216.5,"body":"morning. So, you know, men are"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1209.57,"endTime":1216.5,"body":"reading. And men are reading"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1216.5,"endTime":1221.69,"body":"fiction. So I think that I think"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1216.5,"endTime":1221.69,"body":"in a lot of ways, the major"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1221.69,"endTime":1225.02,"body":"publishers have just abandoned"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1221.69,"endTime":1225.02,"body":"our community. And they don't"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1225.02,"endTime":1229.64,"body":"want to publish books for us."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1225.02,"endTime":1229.64,"body":"They will publish books that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1230.03,"endTime":1233.33,"body":"appeal tangentially, but not"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1230.03,"endTime":1233.33,"body":"directly."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1235.16,"endTime":1238.25,"body":"What was the the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1235.16,"endTime":1238.25,"body":"coming out book that was so"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1238.25,"endTime":1243.83,"body":"popular the past? They made a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1238.25,"endTime":1243.83,"body":"movie on it? I don't remember. I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1243.83,"endTime":1245.9,"body":"wish I was gonna go on about how"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1243.83,"endTime":1245.9,"body":"much I hated it."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1246.319,"endTime":1247.639,"body":"Are you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1246.319,"endTime":1247.639,"body":"thinking about Simon?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1248.98,"endTime":1253.42,"body":"Yes. Let's say I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1248.98,"endTime":1253.42,"body":"hated it. It was but it's very"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1253.42,"endTime":1256.81,"body":"much mainstream, it would appeal"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1253.42,"endTime":1256.81,"body":"to both gay and straight"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1256.81,"endTime":1261.64,"body":"audiences. Those that like a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1256.81,"endTime":1261.64,"body":"schmaltzy story with a shmaltzy"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1261.64,"endTime":1265.45,"body":"ending. That was my opinion on"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1261.64,"endTime":1265.45,"body":"it. At least I haven't read the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1265.45,"endTime":1267.61,"body":"book, but I did see the movie."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1265.45,"endTime":1267.61,"body":"And I was like really"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1267.61,"endTime":1268.66,"body":"disappointed at the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1269.119,"endTime":1272.449,"body":"I saw the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1269.119,"endTime":1272.449,"body":"movie and I read the book, I had"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1272.449,"endTime":1275.209,"body":"different I feel different"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1272.449,"endTime":1275.209,"body":"things about them. You know, the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1275.209,"endTime":1280.459,"body":"movie, it was kind of like, in a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1275.209,"endTime":1280.459,"body":"weird way, it was nice to see a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1280.459,"endTime":1284.599,"body":"gay High School movie taking"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1280.459,"endTime":1284.599,"body":"place in the same non realistic"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1284.599,"endTime":1289.969,"body":"fantasy high school that every"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1284.599,"endTime":1289.969,"body":"other straight High School movie"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1289.969,"endTime":1291.559,"body":"takes place in. Yes."},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1293.52,"endTime":1296.73,"body":"You can get more"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1293.52,"endTime":1296.73,"body":"information about episodes plus"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1296.76,"endTime":1301.14,"body":"scoops on book releases and"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1296.76,"endTime":1301.14,"body":"promotions by LGBTQ prime"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1301.14,"endTime":1305.1,"body":"authors each and every week,"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1301.14,"endTime":1305.1,"body":"simply head over to queer"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1305.1,"endTime":1309.84,"body":"writers of crime.com. And sign"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1305.1,"endTime":1309.84,"body":"up for the newsletter, Brad made"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1309.84,"endTime":1314.13,"body":"it easy and put the link right"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1309.84,"endTime":1314.13,"body":"here in the show notes. Need a"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1314.13,"endTime":1318.57,"body":"little nudge? Click it now. And"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1314.13,"endTime":1318.57,"body":"you'll also get a free ebook by"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1318.57,"endTime":1322.44,"body":"one of a select group of"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1318.57,"endTime":1322.44,"body":"outstanding Authors that makes"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1322.44,"endTime":1326.85,"body":"not subscribing just plain"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1322.44,"endTime":1326.85,"body":"silly. It's all yours at queer"},{"speaker":"Announcer","startTime":1326.85,"endTime":1328.38,"body":"writers of crime.com."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1333.5,"endTime":1336.68,"body":"Back to the gay men"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1333.5,"endTime":1336.68,"body":"reading, you know, young adult"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1336.68,"endTime":1339.56,"body":"novels are selling like crazy."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1336.68,"endTime":1339.56,"body":"And then no selling to straight"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1339.56,"endTime":1343.28,"body":"people, I'm sure are straight"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1339.56,"endTime":1343.28,"body":"kids. So I'm happy to see that."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1343.76,"endTime":1347.27,"body":"And the other thing I will say"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1343.76,"endTime":1347.27,"body":"is one of the reasons I came"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1347.27,"endTime":1350.63,"body":"back to start this podcast is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1347.27,"endTime":1350.63,"body":"when I started podcasting, I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1350.63,"endTime":1354.74,"body":"didn't realize I was gonna love"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1350.63,"endTime":1354.74,"body":"it, and I love it. But that"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1354.74,"endTime":1356.84,"body":"wasn't what really brought me"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1354.74,"endTime":1356.84,"body":"back. What really brought me"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1356.84,"endTime":1361.04,"body":"back was all the emails and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1356.84,"endTime":1361.04,"body":"messenger and tweet messages"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1361.04,"endTime":1364.1,"body":"saying, When are you bringing"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1361.04,"endTime":1364.1,"body":"the show back? Because I said it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1364.1,"endTime":1366.2,"body":"was going on hiatus, but I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1364.1,"endTime":1366.2,"body":"really didn't know if it was"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1366.2,"endTime":1368.45,"body":"gonna be a hiatus. I just said"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1366.2,"endTime":1368.45,"body":"that. So I could come back if I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1368.45,"endTime":1371.99,"body":"wanted to. But there was so much"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1368.45,"endTime":1371.99,"body":"call for it. And I thought that"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1371.99,"endTime":1374.66,"body":"was a good sign. It means people"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1371.99,"endTime":1374.66,"body":"are reading at least the five or"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1374.66,"endTime":1376.52,"body":"six people that listen to the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1374.66,"endTime":1376.52,"body":"show are reading."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1378.17,"endTime":1380.0,"body":"I would want"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1378.17,"endTime":1380.0,"body":"to point out one thing, but what"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1380.0,"endTime":1385.04,"body":"you just said the young adult"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1380.0,"endTime":1385.04,"body":"novels are only read by young"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1385.04,"endTime":1388.76,"body":"people about half the time"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1385.04,"endTime":1388.76,"body":"there's a huge audience for them"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1388.76,"endTime":1393.65,"body":"amongst older people. It's a big"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1388.76,"endTime":1393.65,"body":"genre, you know, not just"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1393.65,"endTime":1394.73,"body":"because kids are reading."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1396.64,"endTime":1400.9,"body":"So let's talk about"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1396.64,"endTime":1400.9,"body":"Henry Milch. Okay, last month,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1400.93,"endTime":1404.71,"body":"you published A Fabulously"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1400.93,"endTime":1404.71,"body":"Unfabulous Summer for Henry"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1404.71,"endTime":1409.9,"body":"Milch. That is the second of the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1404.71,"endTime":1409.9,"body":"Henry Milch stories. When I told"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1409.9,"endTime":1412.81,"body":"you I hadn't read the first one"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1409.9,"endTime":1412.81,"body":"you sent me the the first one"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1412.81,"endTime":1416.41,"body":"just so I could get a taste of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1412.81,"endTime":1416.41,"body":"the story rather than the second"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1416.41,"endTime":1418.57,"body":"one and jumping in, which I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1416.41,"endTime":1418.57,"body":"appreciate but I will tell you,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1418.81,"endTime":1423.85,"body":"I really enjoyed it. So I look"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1418.81,"endTime":1423.85,"body":"forward to the next one. So I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1423.85,"endTime":1425.95,"body":"liked Henry, tell people who"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1423.85,"endTime":1425.95,"body":"Henry is"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1427.72,"endTime":1432.1,"body":"the books are"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1427.72,"endTime":1432.1,"body":"set in 2003. Henry is basically"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1432.13,"endTime":1437.65,"body":"a club kid who would then go"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1432.13,"endTime":1437.65,"body":"into the bars in a way west"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1437.65,"endTime":1441.61,"body":"hollywood really enjoying that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1437.65,"endTime":1441.61,"body":"scene. And he parties a little"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1441.61,"endTime":1445.51,"body":"bit and you know one night he"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1441.61,"endTime":1445.51,"body":"takes too many pills of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1445.51,"endTime":1450.67,"body":"different sorts one too many and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1445.51,"endTime":1450.67,"body":"his roommate finds him non"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1450.67,"endTime":1454.51,"body":"responsive and calls an"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1450.67,"endTime":1454.51,"body":"ambulance and he ends up getting"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1454.54,"endTime":1459.73,"body":"5150 by his mom. And his choices"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1454.54,"endTime":1459.73,"body":"at that point are is to go and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1459.73,"endTime":1465.52,"body":"rehab or to go and stay with his"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1459.73,"endTime":1465.52,"body":"grandmother on a farm and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1465.82,"endTime":1469.54,"body":"fictional county called Wyndot"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1465.82,"endTime":1469.54,"body":"County in northern lower"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1469.54,"endTime":1474.52,"body":"Michigan. He ends up there with"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1469.54,"endTime":1474.52,"body":"a funky little job for the Land"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1474.52,"endTime":1479.02,"body":"Conservancy and stumbled across"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1474.52,"endTime":1479.02,"body":"a dead body in the snow one day"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1479.23,"endTime":1484.33,"body":"finds out that there's a reward"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1479.23,"endTime":1484.33,"body":"and he wants to get it so that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1484.33,"endTime":1486.16,"body":"he can go back to LA"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1487.71,"endTime":1490.17,"body":"and watch how you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1487.71,"endTime":1490.17,"body":"when he stumbled on the body. I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1490.17,"endTime":1494.85,"body":"was like how Okay, I like"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1490.17,"endTime":1494.85,"body":"amateur sleuths and Marshll is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1494.85,"endTime":1498.48,"body":"good with them. How is he? Why"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1494.85,"endTime":1498.48,"body":"is he going to care enough to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1498.51,"endTime":1501.93,"body":"investigate this because Noah, I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1498.51,"endTime":1501.93,"body":"understood why what his"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1501.93,"endTime":1504.93,"body":"motivations were, but I thought,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1501.93,"endTime":1504.93,"body":"why is Henry Milch, gonna? Why"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1504.93,"endTime":1507.42,"body":"does he care about this body?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1504.93,"endTime":1507.42,"body":"And, and he did a good job."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1508.11,"endTime":1511.92,"body":"Thank you. Once I read it, I'm"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1508.11,"endTime":1511.92,"body":"like, oh, that's why he does it."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1512.25,"endTime":1515.58,"body":"So how is this different than"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1512.25,"endTime":1515.58,"body":"book two? What's new in book"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1515.58,"endTime":1515.91,"body":"two?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1518.63,"endTime":1522.08,"body":"Oh, well, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1518.63,"endTime":1522.08,"body":"can tell I don't know what to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1522.08,"endTime":1525.41,"body":"say. Yeah, that's what I'm"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1522.08,"endTime":1525.41,"body":"trying to think. What can I say?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1525.44,"endTime":1529.97,"body":"I mean, he is still stuck there."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1525.44,"endTime":1529.97,"body":"He's still trying to get home."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1530.9,"endTime":1538.01,"body":"He is still taking pills that he"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1530.9,"endTime":1538.01,"body":"should not be. He's slowly"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1538.04,"endTime":1541.97,"body":"gradually learning things about"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1538.04,"endTime":1541.97,"body":"himself and still trying to you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1541.97,"endTime":1545.09,"body":"know, try to figure out how to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1541.97,"endTime":1545.09,"body":"how to get out of there."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1546.92,"endTime":1548.39,"body":"I gotta tell you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1546.92,"endTime":1548.39,"body":"one thing I noticed just maybe"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1548.39,"endTime":1553.37,"body":"putting you on the spot a bit."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1548.39,"endTime":1553.37,"body":"When you did the Boystown"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1553.37,"endTime":1557.36,"body":"series, you could tell there was"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1553.37,"endTime":1557.36,"body":"a you have a fondness for"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1557.36,"endTime":1561.47,"body":"Boystown. And the same thing"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1557.36,"endTime":1561.47,"body":"with the Pinx Video series"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1561.53,"endTime":1564.98,"body":"talking about Silver Lake. I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1561.53,"endTime":1564.98,"body":"tell people I grew up in North"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1564.98,"endTime":1567.8,"body":"Carolina. But actually until the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1564.98,"endTime":1567.8,"body":"age of 10, I lived in Michigan."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1568.7,"endTime":1571.73,"body":"This story takes place up up"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1568.7,"endTime":1571.73,"body":"north where I lived on in"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1571.73,"endTime":1575.75,"body":"Western Michigan, I lived in the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1571.73,"endTime":1575.75,"body":"extreme southwest. However, you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1575.75,"endTime":1580.04,"body":"did a really good job describing"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1575.75,"endTime":1580.04,"body":"Michigan it took me home."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1580.16,"endTime":1580.94,"body":"Oh, thank"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1580.16,"endTime":1580.94,"body":"you."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1581.42,"endTime":1585.35,"body":"That being said it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1581.42,"endTime":1585.35,"body":"was It wasn't as shown in as"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1585.35,"endTime":1589.1,"body":"good a light as the other"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1585.35,"endTime":1589.1,"body":"stories. Oh, is that a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1589.1,"endTime":1592.25,"body":"reflection of your"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1589.1,"endTime":1592.25,"body":"interpretation of where you're"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1592.25,"endTime":1593.0,"body":"living now?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1597.11,"endTime":1600.47,"body":"Yes, no. I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1597.11,"endTime":1600.47,"body":"mean, I'm certainly you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1600.47,"endTime":1604.07,"body":"he's a 24 year old kid, and I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1600.47,"endTime":1604.07,"body":"don't really know that I'd want"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1604.07,"endTime":1608.75,"body":"to be a 24 year old gay kid"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1604.07,"endTime":1608.75,"body":"here. That makes it more"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1608.75,"endTime":1614.57,"body":"problematic. You know, where I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1608.75,"endTime":1614.57,"body":"live, it's a purple County, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1614.57,"endTime":1618.56,"body":"know, which means that I need a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1614.57,"endTime":1618.56,"body":"lot of people who are very"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1618.62,"endTime":1623.42,"body":"liberal and very cool, and who I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1618.62,"endTime":1623.42,"body":"enjoy quite a lot. And then, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1623.42,"endTime":1626.6,"body":"know, I meet a lot of people"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1623.42,"endTime":1626.6,"body":"that I don't really want to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1626.6,"endTime":1635.27,"body":"finish the conversation. Who are"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1626.6,"endTime":1635.27,"body":"challenging and difficult? So,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1636.23,"endTime":1638.33,"body":"you know, it's, it's a little"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1636.23,"endTime":1638.33,"body":"different, you know, not that,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1638.36,"endTime":1641.27,"body":"you know, in LA, you know, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1638.36,"endTime":1641.27,"body":"you're gonna meet some people"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1641.27,"endTime":1647.45,"body":"who are conservative and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1641.27,"endTime":1647.45,"body":"dickwads about it, but it"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1647.45,"endTime":1650.36,"body":"happens more frequently up here,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1647.45,"endTime":1650.36,"body":"I think. And you know, and it"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1650.36,"endTime":1654.77,"body":"happens in a way that's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1650.36,"endTime":1654.77,"body":"different. You know, you can be"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1654.77,"endTime":1658.19,"body":"walking in the grocery store,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1654.77,"endTime":1658.19,"body":"somebody starts talking about"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1658.19,"endTime":1662.24,"body":"how horrible Hillary Clinton is,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1658.19,"endTime":1662.24,"body":"and, you know, that kind of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1662.24,"endTime":1665.93,"body":"thing. So, honestly, I don't"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1662.24,"endTime":1665.93,"body":"know where I'd live in the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1665.93,"endTime":1669.71,"body":"world. If I had tons of money,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1665.93,"endTime":1669.71,"body":"I'd really kind of gotten to the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1669.71,"endTime":1676.64,"body":"place where I'm here. It's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1669.71,"endTime":1676.64,"body":"affordable. There's a lot to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1676.64,"endTime":1681.17,"body":"like about it. So I'm focused on"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1676.64,"endTime":1681.17,"body":"a personal basis, I'm focused on"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1681.17,"endTime":1684.32,"body":"what I like about it, what I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1681.17,"endTime":1684.32,"body":"enjoy about it, the people I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1684.38,"endTime":1689.36,"body":"enjoy here, you know, I'm doing"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1684.38,"endTime":1689.36,"body":"what's in front of me. You know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1689.36,"endTime":1692.3,"body":"which is not you know, Henry"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1689.36,"endTime":1692.3,"body":"Milch is, you know, he's not"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1692.48,"endTime":1696.02,"body":"someone who's that mature. So"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1692.48,"endTime":1696.02,"body":"he's not really thinking in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1696.02,"endTime":1697.07,"body":"those terms."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1698.74,"endTime":1702.67,"body":"Ocracok Island in"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1698.74,"endTime":1702.67,"body":"North Carolina, and I love the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1702.67,"endTime":1706.18,"body":"island. And when I was in my"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1702.67,"endTime":1706.18,"body":"early 20s, I almost bought a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1706.18,"endTime":1709.42,"body":"restaurant there because I loved"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1706.18,"endTime":1709.42,"body":"it so much. And now I look back,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1709.42,"endTime":1714.07,"body":"and I'm like, it's a village of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1709.42,"endTime":1714.07,"body":"maybe 700 people and K through"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1714.07,"endTime":1718.6,"body":"12 is one small building. What"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1714.07,"endTime":1718.6,"body":"would a 20 year old gay man be"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1718.6,"endTime":1721.69,"body":"doing? They're like, in a year,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1718.6,"endTime":1721.69,"body":"I would have been going crazy."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1721.72,"endTime":1724.87,"body":"So yeah, I can see why Miss"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1721.72,"endTime":1724.87,"body":"Northern Michigan would not be"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1724.87,"endTime":1730.45,"body":"the best places for a, a young"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1724.87,"endTime":1730.45,"body":"gay man. Since you're there. I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1730.45,"endTime":1733.6,"body":"know you grew up when you were"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1730.45,"endTime":1733.6,"body":"younger, in Northern New York."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1733.9,"endTime":1736.87,"body":"And you've lived in various"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1733.9,"endTime":1736.87,"body":"parts of the country. And now"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1736.87,"endTime":1739.6,"body":"you're in Michigan and you're"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1736.87,"endTime":1739.6,"body":"actually having a house built."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1740.35,"endTime":1742.24,"body":"Where would you say home is?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1744.55,"endTime":1747.82,"body":"Hmm, that's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1744.55,"endTime":1747.82,"body":"an interesting question. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1747.82,"endTime":1752.02,"body":"home is, you know, where my"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1747.82,"endTime":1752.02,"body":"stuff is, where I am, where my"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1752.02,"endTime":1757.3,"body":"dog is, where I have friends,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1752.02,"endTime":1757.3,"body":"you know, those things are very"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1757.3,"endTime":1761.35,"body":"important. I mean, I've been"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1757.3,"endTime":1761.35,"body":"kind of floating around in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1761.35,"endTime":1765.79,"body":"people's guest houses for"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1761.35,"endTime":1765.79,"body":"several years and I'm very much"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1765.79,"endTime":1768.79,"body":"looking forward to getting my"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1765.79,"endTime":1768.79,"body":"stuff out of storage and being"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1769.36,"endTime":1774.37,"body":"in a home that's that is"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1769.36,"endTime":1774.37,"body":"completely mind. You reminding"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1774.37,"endTime":1778.69,"body":"me though, that, you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1774.37,"endTime":1778.69,"body":"people ask me, Do I miss LA? Do"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1778.69,"endTime":1783.94,"body":"I miss Chicago? And it's like, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1778.69,"endTime":1783.94,"body":"started to answer them in a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1783.94,"endTime":1790.54,"body":"different way. I miss LA in the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1783.94,"endTime":1790.54,"body":"90s. I miss Chicago in the 80s."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1790.57,"endTime":1793.36,"body":"And you know, that is one of the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1790.57,"endTime":1793.36,"body":"things that I love about what I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1793.36,"endTime":1798.7,"body":"do is that I can visit and I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1793.36,"endTime":1798.7,"body":"know that if I went to LA"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1799.03,"endTime":1802.9,"body":"tomorrow if I went to Long Beach"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1799.03,"endTime":1802.9,"body":"tomorrow, there are certain"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1802.9,"endTime":1805.78,"body":"things that I would enjoy. But"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1802.9,"endTime":1805.78,"body":"then I'd also be scanning around"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1805.78,"endTime":1809.23,"body":"going this place is no longer"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1805.78,"endTime":1809.23,"body":"familiar. You know, I've been"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1809.23,"endTime":1813.13,"body":"gone for six years. And it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1809.23,"endTime":1813.13,"body":"like, this is not the same"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1813.13,"endTime":1817.93,"body":"place. You know, it's like, the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1813.13,"endTime":1817.93,"body":"places that I lived, that I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1817.93,"endTime":1822.94,"body":"enjoyed, when I was there are"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1817.93,"endTime":1822.94,"body":"gone. So"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1824.78,"endTime":1827.06,"body":"do you, in a sense,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1824.78,"endTime":1827.06,"body":"feel like you don't have a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1827.06,"endTime":1827.63,"body":"place?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1828.17,"endTime":1831.35,"body":"Um, yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1828.17,"endTime":1831.35,"body":"mean, I felt that on and off in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1831.35,"endTime":1838.28,"body":"the last few years, but I'm"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1831.35,"endTime":1838.28,"body":"looking forward to having my own"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1838.28,"endTime":1843.74,"body":"home again. Definitely."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1838.28,"endTime":1843.74,"body":"Definitely. So, I mean, I try to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1843.77,"endTime":1846.29,"body":"I mean, I, once again, I try to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1843.77,"endTime":1846.29,"body":"do what's in front of me, so I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1846.29,"endTime":1850.82,"body":"don't really dwell any, any more"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1846.29,"endTime":1850.82,"body":"than I have to on what's, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1850.82,"endTime":1854.33,"body":"know, not working. I just tried"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1850.82,"endTime":1854.33,"body":"to make it work."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1855.32,"endTime":1857.09,"body":"I want to get back"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1855.32,"endTime":1857.09,"body":"to Henry Milch. Okay. Because"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1857.09,"endTime":1860.48,"body":"one thing I found interesting is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1857.09,"endTime":1860.48,"body":"I hear a lot of advice given to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1860.48,"endTime":1864.56,"body":"new writer that advice is don't"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1860.48,"endTime":1864.56,"body":"make pop references, because"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1864.56,"endTime":1866.06,"body":"then your book becomes dated?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1866.63,"endTime":1869.0,"body":"Well, I think"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1866.63,"endTime":1869.0,"body":"the you know, I mean, some"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1869.0,"endTime":1872.18,"body":"people would call me a nostalgia"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1869.0,"endTime":1872.18,"body":"writer, because they do"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1872.18,"endTime":1876.53,"body":"specifically write about periods"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1872.18,"endTime":1876.53,"body":"of time. And, you know, you have"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1876.53,"endTime":1880.88,"body":"to put those references in to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1876.53,"endTime":1880.88,"body":"make the reader feel that that's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1880.88,"endTime":1884.63,"body":"where they are, it becomes as"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1880.88,"endTime":1884.63,"body":"important as a setting important"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1884.63,"endTime":1888.17,"body":"is character. I would say that,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1884.63,"endTime":1888.17,"body":"you know, part of the reasons"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1888.17,"endTime":1892.79,"body":"that books date is because"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1888.17,"endTime":1892.79,"body":"they're not specifically set in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1892.79,"endTime":1898.43,"body":"time. I mean, in a way my books"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1892.79,"endTime":1898.43,"body":"don't really date, because they"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1898.43,"endTime":1902.84,"body":"begin that way, you know, so the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1898.43,"endTime":1902.84,"body":"first Boystown books are always"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1902.84,"endTime":1907.91,"body":"going to be sat in 1981, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1902.84,"endTime":1907.91,"body":"know, and so it's coming to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1907.91,"endTime":1913.49,"body":"them, when I published them, and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1907.91,"endTime":1913.49,"body":"started publishing them in 2009."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1913.94,"endTime":1917.36,"body":"It still it's the same"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1913.94,"endTime":1917.36,"body":"experience now as it was then."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1917.84,"endTime":1921.83,"body":"Whereas even even amongst my own"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1917.84,"endTime":1921.83,"body":"books, you know, I really"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1921.83,"endTime":1926.06,"body":"enjoyed writing Fathers of the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1921.83,"endTime":1926.06,"body":"Bride. I did not set that in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1926.06,"endTime":1931.55,"body":"time. It's sort of in a non"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1926.06,"endTime":1931.55,"body":"COVID world. It's sort of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1931.55,"endTime":1934.88,"body":"contemporary, non covid world"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1931.55,"endTime":1934.88,"body":"and I know, in 10 years, it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1934.88,"endTime":1938.27,"body":"going to be a little awkward to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1934.88,"endTime":1938.27,"body":"read that book. You know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1938.27,"endTime":1941.69,"body":"because you're going to be"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1938.27,"endTime":1941.69,"body":"wondering things. Like, when is"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1941.69,"endTime":1945.41,"body":"this happening? Where is this?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1941.69,"endTime":1945.41,"body":"What is going on? You know? So"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1945.41,"endTime":1947.84,"body":"in some respects, I think"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1945.41,"endTime":1947.84,"body":"actually setting your book in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1947.84,"endTime":1952.37,"body":"time is wiser. Although I once"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1947.84,"endTime":1952.37,"body":"got in trouble with a reader,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1952.37,"endTime":1956.66,"body":"because I've written about Side"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1952.37,"endTime":1956.66,"body":"Tracks in Chicago several times."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1956.66,"endTime":1959.69,"body":"And I didn't happen to remember"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1956.66,"endTime":1959.69,"body":"where a particular beer cooler"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1959.69,"endTime":1966.83,"body":"was. And I got busted. You know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1959.69,"endTime":1966.83,"body":"one thing I've learned is that,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1967.28,"endTime":1972.35,"body":"in writing about places that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1967.28,"endTime":1972.35,"body":"I've been, over time, it's I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1972.35,"endTime":1974.87,"body":"look back, and it's like, okay,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1972.35,"endTime":1974.87,"body":"I should have spent a lot more"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1974.87,"endTime":1980.6,"body":"time there. And a lot more time"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1974.87,"endTime":1980.6,"body":"there. Because it's like, oh,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1980.63,"endTime":1985.85,"body":"you know, I, I think I went to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1980.63,"endTime":1985.85,"body":"Side Tracks twice, you know. So"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1988.7,"endTime":1991.64,"body":"I sort of invested more in my"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1988.7,"endTime":1991.64,"body":"future by spending more time in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":1991.64,"endTime":1992.78,"body":"bars, I guess."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1994.61,"endTime":1997.43,"body":"So this should be a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1994.61,"endTime":1997.43,"body":"little bit about me, but because"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1997.43,"endTime":2004.3,"body":"I'm rolling up to you. In my"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":1997.43,"endTime":2004.3,"body":"first, my first book, Mitch has"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2004.3,"endTime":2007.78,"body":"a love interest in his very,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2004.3,"endTime":2007.78,"body":"very, very slow burn, very slow"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2007.78,"endTime":2011.38,"body":"burn. And people latched on to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2007.78,"endTime":2011.38,"body":"it much more than I thought they"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2011.38,"endTime":2016.09,"body":"would. In the second book, I'll"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2011.38,"endTime":2016.09,"body":"just say there was trouble. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2016.12,"endTime":2018.79,"body":"the reason I'm bringing this up"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2016.12,"endTime":2018.79,"body":"is I don't try to read my"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2018.79,"endTime":2022.66,"body":"reviews. But I did read one in"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2018.79,"endTime":2022.66,"body":"Goodreads. And somebody was very"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2022.66,"endTime":2024.79,"body":"disappointed that the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2022.66,"endTime":2024.79,"body":"relationship was going sour, and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2024.79,"endTime":2027.49,"body":"they were worried it was not"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2024.79,"endTime":2027.49,"body":"going to continue. And the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2027.49,"endTime":2029.62,"body":"comment they made is, and I'm"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2027.49,"endTime":2029.62,"body":"not going to name the books,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2029.62,"endTime":2034.0,"body":"because I don't want to give any"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2029.62,"endTime":2034.0,"body":"spoilers away. They said, I hope"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2034.03,"endTime":2038.62,"body":"Brad is not doing the same thing"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2034.03,"endTime":2038.62,"body":"that Marshall Thornton did in"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2038.62,"endTime":2044.44,"body":"blank, or Jeffrey Round did in"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2038.62,"endTime":2044.44,"body":"blank. So the protagonist can"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2044.44,"endTime":2046.63,"body":"work through other love"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2044.44,"endTime":2046.63,"body":"interests and make it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2046.63,"endTime":2052.96,"body":"interesting. What do you have to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2046.63,"endTime":2052.96,"body":"say about that? To me, they're"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2052.96,"endTime":2054.25,"body":"saying I should write to market."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2055.71,"endTime":2059.37,"body":"Yes. And but"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2055.71,"endTime":2059.37,"body":"even writing to market can lead"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2059.37,"endTime":2063.87,"body":"you astray. And you need to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2059.37,"endTime":2063.87,"body":"write what works for the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2063.87,"endTime":2068.13,"body":"character and what works for"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2063.87,"endTime":2068.13,"body":"your how you feel about"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2068.13,"endTime":2074.67,"body":"relationships. And I mean, I've"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2068.13,"endTime":2074.67,"body":"done a lot of different things"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2074.67,"endTime":2078.3,"body":"in 30 bucks. So it's, I've don't"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2074.67,"endTime":2078.3,"body":"always want to do the same thing"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2078.48,"endTime":2083.25,"body":"as well. So I mean, I know that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2078.48,"endTime":2083.25,"body":"there are people out there who"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2083.58,"endTime":2087.6,"body":"didn't like Nick because he's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2083.58,"endTime":2087.6,"body":"sort of promiscuous in the 80s."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2087.63,"endTime":2095.58,"body":"But that, you know, that turned"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2087.63,"endTime":2095.58,"body":"out to be. When I started out in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2095.58,"endTime":2099.54,"body":"2009, I was working with a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2095.58,"endTime":2099.54,"body":"publisher who will who published"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2099.54,"endTime":2103.29,"body":"romance And erotica. And I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2099.54,"endTime":2103.29,"body":"wasn't really interested in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2103.29,"endTime":2108.3,"body":"writing romance. So I put a lot"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2103.29,"endTime":2108.3,"body":"of sex in those first books. And"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2108.3,"endTime":2111.18,"body":"then I do read my reviews. And I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2108.3,"endTime":2111.18,"body":"do listen to what people have to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2111.18,"endTime":2114.54,"body":"say. And you know, I saw that,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2111.18,"endTime":2114.54,"body":"you know, it wasn't really being"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2114.54,"endTime":2119.88,"body":"enjoyed. And so I began to kind"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2114.54,"endTime":2119.88,"body":"of tone down what I was doing,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2120.87,"endTime":2123.63,"body":"which, you know, for the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2120.87,"endTime":2123.63,"body":"Boystown books I thought worked"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2123.87,"endTime":2127.29,"body":"really quite well, because of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2123.87,"endTime":2127.29,"body":"the AIDS crisis and the way that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2127.29,"endTime":2132.78,"body":"that played out in the books"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2127.29,"endTime":2132.78,"body":"timewise. And eventually, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2132.78,"endTime":2137.7,"body":"know, the last Boystown book"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2132.78,"endTime":2137.7,"body":"doesn't have any sex at all. And"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2138.18,"endTime":2143.19,"body":"I actually didn't see a lot of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2138.18,"endTime":2143.19,"body":"complaints about that. So that's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2143.19,"endTime":2145.86,"body":"that. I mean, I, some of the sex"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2143.19,"endTime":2145.86,"body":"I thought was very important."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2145.89,"endTime":2150.36,"body":"And sometimes sex is very"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2145.89,"endTime":2150.36,"body":"important to a book. So if you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2151.08,"endTime":2153.78,"body":"are writing about something"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2151.08,"endTime":2153.78,"body":"where it is the point, that's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2153.81,"endTime":2160.65,"body":"great. And certainly, you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2153.81,"endTime":2160.65,"body":"one of the things I've learned"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2160.65,"endTime":2164.25,"body":"about readers is that they want"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2160.65,"endTime":2164.25,"body":"to read the same thing again,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2164.25,"endTime":2168.72,"body":"and again, except they want it"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2164.25,"endTime":2168.72,"body":"to be different. And so when you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2169.26,"endTime":2172.59,"body":"to thing that you bring to it"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2169.26,"endTime":2172.59,"body":"that's different is part of what"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2172.59,"endTime":2176.76,"body":"they really wanted, you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2172.59,"endTime":2176.76,"body":"then they're disappointed. And"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2176.76,"endTime":2179.76,"body":"certainly, you know, there's a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2176.76,"endTime":2179.76,"body":"lot of books out there with,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2179.94,"endTime":2185.97,"body":"which are really more romance"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2179.94,"endTime":2185.97,"body":"first and mystery. Second, if"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2185.97,"endTime":2187.8,"body":"people are looking for that,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2185.97,"endTime":2187.8,"body":"they're not going to be very"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2187.8,"endTime":2188.91,"body":"happy with what I do."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2188.0,"endTime":2192.38,"body":"Well, and I feel"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2188.0,"endTime":2192.38,"body":"the same way. And I really don't"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2192.38,"endTime":2195.95,"body":"know where I'm taking that I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2192.38,"endTime":2195.95,"body":"haven't made the decision. But I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2195.95,"endTime":2199.79,"body":"will tell you that I'm feeling"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2195.95,"endTime":2199.79,"body":"this pull that I should write to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2199.79,"endTime":2203.54,"body":"market, which means people want"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2199.79,"endTime":2203.54,"body":"to see them together and have a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2203.54,"endTime":2206.33,"body":"happily ever after. And I read"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2203.54,"endTime":2206.33,"body":"you wrote something that I've"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2206.36,"endTime":2210.23,"body":"said on this show many times, in"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2206.36,"endTime":2210.23,"body":"mysteries, the Happily Ever"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2210.23,"endTime":2213.5,"body":"After is, you know, justice"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2210.23,"endTime":2213.5,"body":"served at the end, one way or"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2213.5,"endTime":2216.83,"body":"another. But that's not what it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2213.5,"endTime":2216.83,"body":"means to everybody. Right? So"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2216.86,"endTime":2219.35,"body":"I'm getting this pull, and I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2216.86,"endTime":2219.35,"body":"don't know where I'm going to go"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2219.35,"endTime":2223.4,"body":"with it yet. But I'm in a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2219.35,"endTime":2223.4,"body":"roundabout way I'm I'm asking"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2223.4,"endTime":2226.97,"body":"this there are Facebook groups"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2223.4,"endTime":2226.97,"body":"that I'm sure you're familiar"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2226.97,"endTime":2230.51,"body":"with, that are specifically"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2226.97,"endTime":2230.51,"body":"dedicated on how to, let's say,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2230.51,"endTime":2235.1,"body":"Get Rich writing books. And what"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2230.51,"endTime":2235.1,"body":"they teach people is research"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2235.1,"endTime":2239.54,"body":"with the market is right now. So"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2235.1,"endTime":2239.54,"body":"okay, this month shifter,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2239.54,"endTime":2242.9,"body":"romance novels are really"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2239.54,"endTime":2242.9,"body":"popular. Quickly get out of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2242.9,"endTime":2247.85,"body":"shifter romance novel. Oh, you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2242.9,"endTime":2247.85,"body":"know what, next month, bisexual"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2248.06,"endTime":2251.18,"body":"adventures are really popular,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2248.06,"endTime":2251.18,"body":"right? A bisexual adventure?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2252.41,"endTime":2253.76,"body":"Could you write like that?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2255.1,"endTime":2258.61,"body":"Um, no, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2255.1,"endTime":2258.61,"body":"think it's ultimately a bad"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2258.61,"endTime":2263.59,"body":"time. A bad a bad idea. Sorry."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2258.61,"endTime":2263.59,"body":"Um, and I think the times that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2263.59,"endTime":2267.91,"body":"I've come close to doing that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2263.59,"endTime":2267.91,"body":"are trying to do that and not"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2267.91,"endTime":2271.75,"body":"work out. For me. The the things"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2267.91,"endTime":2271.75,"body":"that have worked out best for me"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2272.11,"endTime":2277.66,"body":"are, you know, when I do the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2272.11,"endTime":2277.66,"body":"thing that's unique to me. You"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2277.66,"endTime":2280.6,"body":"know, when I have a clear idea,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2277.66,"endTime":2280.6,"body":"I understand why I want to write"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2280.6,"endTime":2284.77,"body":"it when it matters to me along"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2280.6,"endTime":2284.77,"body":"the way, one of the things I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2284.77,"endTime":2288.49,"body":"realized is, you know, I have"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2284.77,"endTime":2288.49,"body":"done blogging here and there and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2289.21,"endTime":2294.25,"body":"which is basically bitching in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2289.21,"endTime":2294.25,"body":"public. And I've run across"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2294.28,"endTime":2296.83,"body":"issues and thought, oh, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2294.28,"endTime":2296.83,"body":"know, that really bugs me, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2296.83,"endTime":2299.86,"body":"want to blog about that. And"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2296.83,"endTime":2299.86,"body":"when I wrote my book found,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2299.89,"endTime":2302.53,"body":"that's actually where that came"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2299.89,"endTime":2302.53,"body":"from, is that I thought, oh, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2302.53,"endTime":2305.71,"body":"should write a blog about how,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2302.53,"endTime":2305.71,"body":"how feminine men are treated in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2305.71,"endTime":2307.81,"body":"the gay community. And then I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2305.71,"endTime":2307.81,"body":"thought, don't do that write a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2307.81,"endTime":2312.58,"body":"book. And so eventually, I wrote"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2307.81,"endTime":2312.58,"body":"that book as a response to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2312.58,"endTime":2316.84,"body":"something I saw. So you know, it"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2312.58,"endTime":2316.84,"body":"wasn't that exactly personal"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2316.84,"endTime":2319.66,"body":"experience. But it's, you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2316.84,"endTime":2319.66,"body":"something that I was really"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2319.66,"endTime":2323.53,"body":"interested in and didn't was"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2319.66,"endTime":2323.53,"body":"bugged by, you know, something's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2323.53,"endTime":2327.61,"body":"bugging you. But actually, it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2323.53,"endTime":2327.61,"body":"better to put it into a book"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2327.61,"endTime":2331.78,"body":"that it is to put it into a blog"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2327.61,"endTime":2331.78,"body":"because can examine it more and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2331.84,"endTime":2334.03,"body":"spend less time arguing with"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2331.84,"endTime":2334.03,"body":"people online."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2335.38,"endTime":2337.66,"body":"And Fem got a lot"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2335.38,"endTime":2337.66,"body":"of really good recognition, I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2337.66,"endTime":2342.22,"body":"should add to it very well."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2337.66,"endTime":2342.22,"body":"Gregory Ashe and CS Poe, both"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2342.22,"endTime":2345.85,"body":"write books that are about I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2342.22,"endTime":2345.85,"body":"consider them almost 50/50"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2345.88,"endTime":2349.21,"body":"Romance mystery. They are"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2345.88,"endTime":2349.21,"body":"probably the dividing line. I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2349.21,"endTime":2353.26,"body":"wouldn't go any beyond them. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2349.21,"endTime":2353.26,"body":"I was talking to Greg one day on"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2353.26,"endTime":2355.93,"body":"the phone, and I brought up I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2353.26,"endTime":2355.93,"body":"said, you know, you're smarter"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2355.93,"endTime":2359.53,"body":"than me. How did you do this?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2355.93,"endTime":2359.53,"body":"And Greg said, I just wrote what"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2359.53,"endTime":2362.89,"body":"I wanted. I can't write romance,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2359.53,"endTime":2362.89,"body":"because I'm not that interested"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2362.89,"endTime":2363.58,"body":"in romance."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2364.45,"endTime":2365.77,"body":"So you're not"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2364.45,"endTime":2365.77,"body":"a romance reader."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2366.04,"endTime":2368.02,"body":"A little bit of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2366.04,"endTime":2368.02,"body":"romance. And I'm not gonna say,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2368.35,"endTime":2370.66,"body":"I'm not gonna say I didn't enjoy"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2368.35,"endTime":2370.66,"body":"it. I'm trying to think of the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2370.66,"endTime":2375.55,"body":"one that you wrote that you had"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2370.66,"endTime":2375.55,"body":"me read. Oh, my goodness. It's a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2375.55,"endTime":2380.29,"body":"recent one. Code. Oh, Code Name,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2375.55,"endTime":2380.29,"body":"Liberty. Now, that was mostly"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2380.29,"endTime":2383.8,"body":"romance. It wasn't entirely just"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2380.29,"endTime":2383.8,"body":"romance, and I enjoyed that. But"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2383.8,"endTime":2386.47,"body":"as a rule, it's not I'm not"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2383.8,"endTime":2386.47,"body":"going to go to the bookshelf and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2386.47,"endTime":2388.93,"body":"grab a romance, my husband will"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2386.47,"endTime":2388.93,"body":"but I am not."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2389.32,"endTime":2391.63,"body":"One of the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2389.32,"endTime":2391.63,"body":"things that I talk about will"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2391.66,"endTime":2395.95,"body":"talk to new writers, talk to old"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2391.66,"endTime":2395.95,"body":"writers who are working and you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2395.95,"endTime":2398.83,"body":"know, then this issue comes up a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2395.95,"endTime":2398.83,"body":"lot of you know, what should I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2398.83,"endTime":2402.13,"body":"write how do I become"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2398.83,"endTime":2402.13,"body":"successfull. And the thing is,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2402.19,"endTime":2405.7,"body":"it's a Venn diagram, you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2402.19,"endTime":2405.7,"body":"you have to find the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2405.7,"endTime":2410.59,"body":"intersection of the thing that's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2405.7,"endTime":2410.59,"body":"in your heart and the market. So"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2410.59,"endTime":2414.4,"body":"most writers have a lot of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2410.59,"endTime":2414.4,"body":"ideas. And I encourage people to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2414.43,"endTime":2417.88,"body":"find that sweet spot. And I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2414.43,"endTime":2417.88,"body":"think, you know, one of the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2417.88,"endTime":2422.17,"body":"reasons that I really enjoy"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2417.88,"endTime":2422.17,"body":"writing genre fiction, as"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2422.17,"endTime":2426.46,"body":"opposed to literary fiction is"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2422.17,"endTime":2426.46,"body":"that I get to write about"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2426.46,"endTime":2430.36,"body":"anything I want to as long as I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2426.46,"endTime":2430.36,"body":"put it into a structure, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2430.36,"endTime":2433.27,"body":"know, the structure of a mystery"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2430.36,"endTime":2433.27,"body":"or the structure of a romantic"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2433.27,"endTime":2436.84,"body":"comedy, you know, and then you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2433.27,"endTime":2436.84,"body":"can write anything. It's a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2436.84,"endTime":2440.26,"body":"particular path to write"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2436.84,"endTime":2440.26,"body":"literary fiction. And that's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2440.26,"endTime":2443.32,"body":"really something you can only do"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2440.26,"endTime":2443.32,"body":"through major publishers."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2443.83,"endTime":2448.39,"body":"Finding that path is very"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2443.83,"endTime":2448.39,"body":"difficult. And so genre, this"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2448.39,"endTime":2453.46,"body":"allows you a lot of freedom that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2448.39,"endTime":2453.46,"body":"it's hard to find elsewhere."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2454.75,"endTime":2456.73,"body":"we've strayed from your"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2454.75,"endTime":2456.73,"body":"question."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2457.71,"endTime":2460.11,"body":"I actually had a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2457.71,"endTime":2460.11,"body":"response that I don't remember"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2460.11,"endTime":2464.43,"body":"what it was, but we'll move on."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2460.11,"endTime":2464.43,"body":"I want to touch on something"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2464.46,"endTime":2469.11,"body":"controversial that came up, I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2464.46,"endTime":2469.11,"body":"think was two years ago, that"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2469.11,"endTime":2473.85,"body":"was Lambda Literary decided to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2469.11,"endTime":2473.85,"body":"combined these to have lesbian"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2473.85,"endTime":2477.42,"body":"mystery and gay mystery. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2473.85,"endTime":2477.42,"body":"they've combined them together."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2477.45,"endTime":2480.48,"body":"I don't know what it's called."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2477.45,"endTime":2480.48,"body":"Is it LGBTQ mystery, or queer"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2480.48,"endTime":2483.96,"body":"mystery? I don't know. But they"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2480.48,"endTime":2483.96,"body":"combined them together. And you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2483.96,"endTime":2487.95,"body":"chose to write a public letter"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2483.96,"endTime":2487.95,"body":"stating why you weren't happy"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2487.95,"endTime":2490.98,"body":"with this and said, you would no"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2487.95,"endTime":2490.98,"body":"longer be submitting books to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2490.98,"endTime":2493.86,"body":"Lambda Literary, which is quite"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2490.98,"endTime":2493.86,"body":"astounding for somebody that has"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2493.86,"endTime":2496.8,"body":"been recognized so much as you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2493.86,"endTime":2496.8,"body":"have care to talk about that."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2498.24,"endTime":2498.84,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2499.68,"endTime":2500.49,"body":"What upsets you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2501.17,"endTime":2503.12,"body":"I did"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2501.17,"endTime":2503.12,"body":"actually submit this year,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2503.57,"endTime":2508.19,"body":"people gave a living, let me"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2503.57,"endTime":2508.19,"body":"explain. The problem I saw was"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2508.19,"endTime":2511.61,"body":"that, you know, they said that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2508.19,"endTime":2511.61,"body":"they were being more inclusive,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2513.05,"endTime":2516.62,"body":"which I disagree with, because"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2513.05,"endTime":2516.62,"body":"they actually reduce the number"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2516.62,"endTime":2523.07,"body":"of awards. Their top categories"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2516.62,"endTime":2523.07,"body":"have awards that are specific to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2523.07,"endTime":2527.63,"body":"trans people, and specific to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2523.07,"endTime":2527.63,"body":"bisexual people, or grouped for"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2527.63,"endTime":2533.15,"body":"them. And consequently, there"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2527.63,"endTime":2533.15,"body":"are more awards in poetry, for"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2533.15,"endTime":2537.05,"body":"example, and more awards and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2533.15,"endTime":2537.05,"body":"nonfiction for all these"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2537.05,"endTime":2543.62,"body":"different groups. And by"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2537.05,"endTime":2543.62,"body":"collapsing the genre categories,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2543.65,"endTime":2547.82,"body":"they're basically saying they're"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2543.65,"endTime":2547.82,"body":"not important. They're not as"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2547.82,"endTime":2550.94,"body":"important as the see other"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2547.82,"endTime":2550.94,"body":"words, and the thing is, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2550.94,"endTime":2555.53,"body":"know, if you really sit down and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2550.94,"endTime":2555.53,"body":"think about it, the literary"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2555.53,"endTime":2559.55,"body":"fiction Awards, the poetry"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2555.53,"endTime":2559.55,"body":"award, those are, you know, the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2559.55,"endTime":2562.67,"body":"nonfiction does it the books"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2559.55,"endTime":2562.67,"body":"that come from big publishers,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2563.57,"endTime":2567.68,"body":"and very little self publishing"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2563.57,"endTime":2567.68,"body":"at that level. And so of course,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2567.68,"endTime":2573.35,"body":"they're not collapsing those. So"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2567.68,"endTime":2573.35,"body":"I found it very problematic. I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2573.35,"endTime":2578.21,"body":"also find it very difficult in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2573.35,"endTime":2578.21,"body":"the sense that I've been"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2578.21,"endTime":2581.51,"body":"entering that contest said for"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2578.21,"endTime":2581.51,"body":"like, 10 years and thought a lot"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2581.51,"endTime":2585.2,"body":"about how books are judged. And,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2581.51,"endTime":2585.2,"body":"you know, it is a very"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2585.23,"endTime":2590.06,"body":"subjective process. And for a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2585.23,"endTime":2590.06,"body":"category like a mystery, you can"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2590.48,"endTime":2596.06,"body":"decide to award books because of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2590.48,"endTime":2596.06,"body":"a career, or you can decide to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2596.06,"endTime":2600.95,"body":"award on the basis of which book"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2596.06,"endTime":2600.95,"body":"is a better mystery, or the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2600.95,"endTime":2604.73,"body":"basis or you can set the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2600.95,"endTime":2604.73,"body":"criteria as being held literary"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2604.73,"endTime":2608.75,"body":"as the book, or the criteria can"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2604.73,"endTime":2608.75,"body":"be is how gay is the book. So"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2608.75,"endTime":2611.54,"body":"there's a lot of different ways"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2608.75,"endTime":2611.54,"body":"to look at just simply gay"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2611.54,"endTime":2616.01,"body":"mystery. And then you throw in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2611.54,"endTime":2616.01,"body":"different sexualities and"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2616.01,"endTime":2618.53,"body":"different gender expect"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2616.01,"endTime":2618.53,"body":"expressions and have them"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2618.53,"endTime":2621.38,"body":"compete with each other, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2618.53,"endTime":2621.38,"body":"know, then you have to sit down"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2621.38,"endTime":2624.74,"body":"with a scorecard. And you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2621.38,"endTime":2624.74,"body":"after five years, you have to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2624.74,"endTime":2629.51,"body":"say, Oh, well, you know, nobody"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2624.74,"endTime":2629.51,"body":"bisexual has has ever won since"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2629.51,"endTime":2632.54,"body":"the category has been collapsed."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2629.51,"endTime":2632.54,"body":"And so now we really need to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2632.54,"endTime":2634.94,"body":"give it to someone who's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2632.54,"endTime":2634.94,"body":"bisexual who's written a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2634.94,"endTime":2641.9,"body":"bisexual book. And, you know,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2634.94,"endTime":2641.9,"body":"that's really skews the whole"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2641.9,"endTime":2646.52,"body":"thing. So anyway, I have no"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2641.9,"endTime":2646.52,"body":"problem with it. I did. However,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2646.52,"endTime":2650.63,"body":"I do have to say, this year, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2646.52,"endTime":2650.63,"body":"entered my book, Fathers of the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2650.63,"endTime":2656.33,"body":"Bride, into the gay romance"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2650.63,"endTime":2656.33,"body":"category, which still exists."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2656.36,"endTime":2660.11,"body":"And I've heard that they tried"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2656.36,"endTime":2660.11,"body":"to collapse that and the outcry"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2660.11,"endTime":2666.65,"body":"was incredible. And so they"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2660.11,"endTime":2666.65,"body":"didn't. So I don't know why it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2666.65,"endTime":2669.53,"body":"acceptable to have separate"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2666.65,"endTime":2669.53,"body":"categories there but not"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2669.53,"endTime":2670.13,"body":"elsewhere."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2671.35,"endTime":2674.02,"body":"Well, I will say"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2671.35,"endTime":2674.02,"body":"when you posted the letter, I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2674.02,"endTime":2678.22,"body":"agreed with you 100%. I'm a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2674.02,"endTime":2678.22,"body":"little swayed the other way now,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2678.28,"endTime":2681.16,"body":"but I will tell you what my big"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2678.28,"endTime":2681.16,"body":"concern is more than anything."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2681.85,"endTime":2686.08,"body":"Everybody I know that has been a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2681.85,"endTime":2686.08,"body":"judge for Lambda Literary has"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2686.08,"endTime":2691.06,"body":"said, it is outrageously"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2686.08,"endTime":2691.06,"body":"difficult to try and read all"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2691.06,"endTime":2693.94,"body":"the books that are submitted."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2691.06,"endTime":2693.94,"body":"And sometimes you have to judge"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2693.94,"endTime":2697.18,"body":"on a very small section of the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2693.94,"endTime":2697.18,"body":"book, whether you're going to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2697.18,"endTime":2702.04,"body":"continue or not. Right. So now I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2697.18,"endTime":2702.04,"body":"picture the see is that pile has"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2702.04,"endTime":2705.19,"body":"doubled for those folks. So I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2702.04,"endTime":2705.19,"body":"don't know how it can be done"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2705.19,"endTime":2705.91,"body":"effectively."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2707.31,"endTime":2709.32,"body":"One of the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2707.31,"endTime":2709.32,"body":"things that they did at the same"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2709.32,"endTime":2713.13,"body":"time, which went relatively"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2709.32,"endTime":2713.13,"body":"unnoticed is that they stopped"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2713.49,"endTime":2719.4,"body":"publishing the entries. You"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2713.49,"endTime":2719.4,"body":"know, previous to that change,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2719.43,"endTime":2723.42,"body":"they would publish every book"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2719.43,"endTime":2723.42,"body":"that had entered your right. So"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2723.42,"endTime":2728.16,"body":"you could see that there were 30"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2723.42,"endTime":2728.16,"body":"or 40 gay mysteries in"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2728.16,"endTime":2733.38,"body":"competition for the eight slots."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2728.16,"endTime":2733.38,"body":"And now, they don't show that"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2733.38,"endTime":2738.39,"body":"anymore. So I mean, I really"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2733.38,"endTime":2738.39,"body":"have no idea how many books have"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2738.39,"endTime":2741.99,"body":"been entered into the mystery"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2738.39,"endTime":2741.99,"body":"category. If other people didn't"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2741.99,"endTime":2749.88,"body":"stop, then there's, like, 70"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2741.99,"endTime":2749.88,"body":"books. 80 books. Yeah. So I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2749.88,"endTime":2755.97,"body":"mean, it becomes less and less"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2749.88,"endTime":2755.97,"body":"appealing to send them $65, a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2756.0,"endTime":2761.13,"body":"book to be considered amongst"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2756.0,"endTime":2761.13,"body":"this crowd of books that are"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2761.16,"endTime":2762.81,"body":"very dissimilar from yours."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2763.5,"endTime":2765.75,"body":"And I hadn't even"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2763.5,"endTime":2765.75,"body":"realized they did that. I know"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2765.75,"endTime":2769.8,"body":"in the past, Jon Michaelson, the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2765.75,"endTime":2769.8,"body":"author who created the Gay"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2769.8,"endTime":2772.5,"body":"Fiction, Mystery Suspense"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2769.8,"endTime":2772.5,"body":"Thriller Group on Facebook,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2772.62,"endTime":2777.18,"body":"whenever someone would submit to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2772.62,"endTime":2777.18,"body":"Lmbda Literary and it would be"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2777.18,"endTime":2780.27,"body":"posted that they received their"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2777.18,"endTime":2780.27,"body":"book, he would go way to go,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2780.27,"endTime":2784.89,"body":"Marshall. Way to go, Brad. That"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2780.27,"endTime":2784.89,"body":"didn't happen in your right."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2785.34,"endTime":2790.5,"body":"There was a reason we didn't"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2785.34,"endTime":2790.5,"body":"know who submitted. This is"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2790.5,"endTime":2795.3,"body":"where I spin the wheel and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2790.5,"endTime":2795.3,"body":"randomly get a question. They're"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2795.3,"endTime":2798.48,"body":"they're questions that are, as I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2795.3,"endTime":2798.48,"body":"said, awkward or difficult to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2798.48,"endTime":2803.1,"body":"answer or sometimes they're just"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2798.48,"endTime":2803.1,"body":"downright rude. And I'm gonna"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2803.1,"endTime":2806.52,"body":"spin the wheel and we're gonna"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2803.1,"endTime":2806.52,"body":"see what you get. Are you ready?"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2807.63,"endTime":2808.23,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2812.94,"endTime":2817.35,"body":"Okay, Marshall, with you I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2812.94,"endTime":2817.35,"body":"cheated. I did not choose a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2817.35,"endTime":2823.5,"body":"random question. I created one"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2817.35,"endTime":2823.5,"body":"based on something I read. Just"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2823.5,"endTime":2827.01,"body":"so the listeners know every week"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2823.5,"endTime":2827.01,"body":"now when I have a guest, I asked"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2827.01,"endTime":2829.92,"body":"them to write a blog post. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2827.01,"endTime":2829.92,"body":"you can go to the website queer"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2829.92,"endTime":2832.98,"body":"writers of crime.com and there's"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2829.92,"endTime":2832.98,"body":"a place that says guest blog and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2832.98,"endTime":2835.89,"body":"Marshall submitted one that"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2832.98,"endTime":2835.89,"body":"actually is very interesting, so"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2835.89,"endTime":2838.44,"body":"good. It's a good post. Thank"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2835.89,"endTime":2838.44,"body":"you, Marshall. And the title of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2838.44,"endTime":2842.04,"body":"it is How to Read a Mystery. And"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2838.44,"endTime":2842.04,"body":"I'm gonna ask you a question"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2842.04,"endTime":2844.74,"body":"from that because you talk about"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2842.04,"endTime":2844.74,"body":"all the different mysteries"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2844.8,"endTime":2847.71,"body":"categories that are out there"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2844.8,"endTime":2847.71,"body":"you talk about the puzzles,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2847.74,"endTime":2851.01,"body":"suspenseful the mysteries, the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2847.74,"endTime":2851.01,"body":"cozy mysteries, police"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2851.01,"endTime":2857.4,"body":"procedurals, pi, amateur sleuth,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2851.01,"endTime":2857.4,"body":"etc. If you are going to go to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2857.4,"endTime":2860.97,"body":"the store to library and pick"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2857.4,"endTime":2860.97,"body":"out a mystery, and I'm sure you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2860.97,"endTime":2864.21,"body":"probably read all the above,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2860.97,"endTime":2864.21,"body":"which one of those are you most"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2864.21,"endTime":2865.26,"body":"likely to go for?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2867.28,"endTime":2871.3,"body":"I go through"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2867.28,"endTime":2871.3,"body":"periods. I do like procedurals"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2871.42,"endTime":2874.96,"body":"and several of the series that I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2871.42,"endTime":2874.96,"body":"follow are procedurals. But I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2874.96,"endTime":2881.5,"body":"also do like cozies. I've read"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2874.96,"endTime":2881.5,"body":"several series with women"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2881.5,"endTime":2886.69,"body":"protagonists that I enjoy quite"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2881.5,"endTime":2886.69,"body":"a lot. But then conversely, I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2886.69,"endTime":2890.29,"body":"really like Michael Connelly's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2886.69,"endTime":2890.29,"body":"Bosch books, which are nothing"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2890.29,"endTime":2897.67,"body":"like a cozy or a female"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2890.29,"endTime":2897.67,"body":"protagonist. So I do really"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2897.7,"endTime":2902.11,"body":"enjoy series, I will always"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2897.7,"endTime":2902.11,"body":"choose a series over a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2902.11,"endTime":2905.5,"body":"standalone because I'd like the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2902.11,"endTime":2905.5,"body":"long term development of the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2905.5,"endTime":2906.1,"body":"character."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2906.73,"endTime":2909.67,"body":"I'm with you there"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2906.73,"endTime":2909.67,"body":"i much more enjoy series than a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2909.67,"endTime":2912.94,"body":"standalone. You made me think of"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2909.67,"endTime":2912.94,"body":"something that I've always"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2912.94,"endTime":2917.32,"body":"thought Pinx Video you call a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2912.94,"endTime":2917.32,"body":"cozy series. It is kind of on"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2917.32,"endTime":2919.72,"body":"the fringe though. I don't know."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2917.32,"endTime":2919.72,"body":"There's a lot of people that"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2919.72,"endTime":2925.12,"body":"would say that is not a cozy Oh,"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2919.72,"endTime":2925.12,"body":"yeah. I question it. I love the"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2925.12,"endTime":2928.54,"body":"books. Under what definition? Do"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2925.12,"endTime":2928.54,"body":"you consider that a cozy?"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2929.11,"endTime":2932.41,"body":"Well, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2929.11,"endTime":2932.41,"body":"know, cozy is feature an amateur"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2932.44,"endTime":2936.22,"body":"investigative character, as I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2932.44,"endTime":2936.22,"body":"call them, and he's definitely"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2936.22,"endTime":2940.84,"body":"an amateur. Normally, I think"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2936.22,"endTime":2940.84,"body":"one of the variances is that,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2940.87,"endTime":2944.56,"body":"you know, cozies are supposed to"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2940.87,"endTime":2944.56,"body":"take place in a village. And I"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2944.56,"endTime":2948.58,"body":"think for me, silver like kind"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2944.56,"endTime":2948.58,"body":"of stands in for that. It's it's"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2948.58,"endTime":2952.3,"body":"in LA and certainly I do use all"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2948.58,"endTime":2952.3,"body":"of LA when I write the books,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2952.3,"endTime":2957.4,"body":"but it's in a particular part,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2952.3,"endTime":2957.4,"body":"you know, it's in a particular"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2957.46,"endTime":2962.41,"body":"social group. The books take"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2957.46,"endTime":2962.41,"body":"place amongst queer people, you"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2962.41,"endTime":2966.4,"body":"know, in Silver Lake mainly a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2962.41,"endTime":2966.4,"body":"largely gay man, and so that's a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2967.06,"endTime":2971.68,"body":"smaller group. So it's like, it"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2967.06,"endTime":2971.68,"body":"is a sort of village to me."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2972.7,"endTime":2975.25,"body":"Definitely, you know, they're"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2972.7,"endTime":2975.25,"body":"not supposed to have a lot of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2975.25,"endTime":2980.71,"body":"islands and I do buy like that a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2975.25,"endTime":2980.71,"body":"little bit here and there. And,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2981.19,"endTime":2983.38,"body":"you know, they're not they're"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2981.19,"endTime":2983.38,"body":"supposed to have a lot of"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2983.38,"endTime":2986.86,"body":"swearing that's, you know, kind"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2983.38,"endTime":2986.86,"body":"of fudge that one a little bit"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2986.86,"endTime":2992.71,"body":"too. So, but he does keep"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2986.86,"endTime":2992.71,"body":"tripping over bodies, which is a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2992.71,"endTime":2994.51,"body":"very cozy thing to do."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2995.17,"endTime":2997.93,"body":"Mm hmm. That's what"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2995.17,"endTime":2997.93,"body":"I love about amateur sleuths."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":2998.17,"endTime":2998.8,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2998.86,"endTime":3002.52,"body":"And I like"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":2998.86,"endTime":3002.52,"body":"it. I'm making fun of that. You"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3002.52,"endTime":3006.87,"body":"know, because they talk about"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3002.52,"endTime":3006.87,"body":"it. I do know that the next book"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3006.93,"endTime":3009.96,"body":"would tell you to write in the"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3006.93,"endTime":3009.96,"body":"fall. That's going to be called"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3009.96,"endTime":3014.19,"body":"Help Wanted  and, and it will"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3009.96,"endTime":3014.19,"body":"start out with him talking about"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3014.19,"endTime":3018.96,"body":"how thank God he has not seen a"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3014.19,"endTime":3018.96,"body":"dead body in six months."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3022.23,"endTime":3025.08,"body":"That's awesome."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3022.23,"endTime":3025.08,"body":"Well, Marshall, it is a pleasure"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3025.23,"endTime":3027.27,"body":"to have you back on. I want you"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3025.23,"endTime":3027.27,"body":"to give the name of your book"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3027.27,"endTime":3028.74,"body":"again, the latest book,"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3029.37,"endTime":3031.65,"body":"a Fabulously"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3029.37,"endTime":3031.65,"body":"Unfabulous Summer for Henry"},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3031.65,"endTime":3032.22,"body":"Milch."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3032.58,"endTime":3035.58,"body":"And you folks as"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3032.58,"endTime":3035.58,"body":"always, I'm no surprise I will"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3035.58,"endTime":3040.2,"body":"have a link in the show notes to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3035.58,"endTime":3040.2,"body":"purchase the book. And it's a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3040.2,"endTime":3042.39,"body":"pleasure to have you back. I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3040.2,"endTime":3042.39,"body":"think this is the third time"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3042.42,"endTime":3044.94,"body":"you've been on fact I'm sure it"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3042.42,"endTime":3044.94,"body":"is. Very few people have been on"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3044.94,"endTime":3047.97,"body":"three times. Welcome back. We'll"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3044.94,"endTime":3047.97,"body":"have to have you on again."},{"speaker":"Marshall Thornton","startTime":3048.0,"endTime":3048.69,"body":"Okay."}]}