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And it's because I was"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3350.28,"endTime":3354.66,"body":"reading about phones, having a"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3350.28,"endTime":3354.66,"body":"kill switch on them where you"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3354.66,"endTime":3357.6,"body":"could, boy, I can't even"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3354.66,"endTime":3357.6,"body":"remember the definition of it."},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3357.87,"endTime":3361.14,"body":"But I thought, Wow, that's"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3357.87,"endTime":3361.14,"body":"fascinating, basically, so you"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3361.14,"endTime":3365.13,"body":"can kill the phone and nobody"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3361.14,"endTime":3365.13,"body":"can use it. 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I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3383.25,"endTime":3388.29,"body":"love a character I can hate and"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3388.29,"endTime":3388.83,"body":"just love"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3388.83,"endTime":3393.72,"body":"day. And can be so"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3388.83,"endTime":3393.72,"body":"mean, because I'm not mean. You"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3393.72,"endTime":3395.73,"body":"know, I'm not going to cut"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3393.72,"endTime":3395.73,"body":"anybody up and put them in a"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3395.73,"endTime":3398.85,"body":"box. But my my character can do"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3395.73,"endTime":3398.85,"body":"that."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3398.91,"endTime":3405.42,"body":"Yes, they can. 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And the reason I bring"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3448.02,"endTime":3452.16,"body":"that up is somehow I don't know"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3448.02,"endTime":3452.16,"body":"how it is going to get in, in"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3452.16,"endTime":3454.92,"body":"one of my stories one day"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3452.16,"endTime":3454.92,"body":"because it was such a bizarre"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3454.92,"endTime":3458.91,"body":"event. But that's where we get"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3454.92,"endTime":3458.91,"body":"our ideas from anywhere. You"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3458.91,"endTime":3461.55,"body":"never know where they're going"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3458.91,"endTime":3461.55,"body":"to come from. Well, it's been a"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3461.55,"endTime":3464.49,"body":"pleasure having you on again. I"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3461.55,"endTime":3464.49,"body":"always enjoyed my conversations"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3464.49,"endTime":3468.96,"body":"with you both online through"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3464.49,"endTime":3468.96,"body":"chat in here through the magic"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3468.96,"endTime":3470.79,"body":"of video calls."},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3471.06,"endTime":3473.7,"body":"I liked I had a"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3471.06,"endTime":3473.7,"body":"great time. Thank you. Well,"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3473.7,"endTime":3476.97,"body":"thank you Mark. It was it was"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3473.7,"endTime":3476.97,"body":"invigorating. And again, like"},{"speaker":"Mark McNease","startTime":3477.24,"endTime":3478.35,"body":"got me all worked up about"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3479.79,"endTime":3481.41,"body":"I'll remember that"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3479.79,"endTime":3481.41,"body":"for the next time you're on."},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3481.74,"endTime":3483.9,"body":"I'll make a list of things to"},{"speaker":"Brad Shreve","startTime":3481.74,"endTime":3483.9,"body":"really get you round Up"}]}