WEBVTT 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:03.120 Okay. 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:05.839 Just going live here, everybody. 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:12.400 Let me get on to that one important factor where I actually have to push the live button. 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:15.359 And we're just waiting. 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:18.399 There we go. 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:19.600 Go live. 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:21.839 It's a new way. 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:24.000 Everything's changed how I do this, by the way. 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.160 But uh I'm live. 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:28.160 Welcome everyone to Hash Church. 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:30.079 Welcome to a 9 a.m. 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:34.960 PST Sunday morning Hash Church season 12, episode 13. 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:38.079 The Kootiny episode. 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:39.759 Very excited for this episode. 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:42.880 There's a lot of my friends that were unable to make it. 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:47.039 Um, but there are some who were also able 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tradition alive. 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:28.240 Bubble bags, water, ice, and hash. 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:29.360 There it is. 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:30.560 There it is. 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.639 So shout out to those fellows. 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.879 And uh we got some folks here in the room that I'm gonna let in real quick. 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:38.959 Some participants. 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:40.879 Let's see what we got. 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.639 We got twice baked, we got Kelly Walker, Lori, and Caleb Chen. 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:46.319 Caleb is in the house. 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:47.759 Make sure everything's going good. 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.199 You guys can hear me proper, I hope, on the in the chat room there, bingo. 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:52.720 Just let me know if you can't hear me. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.360 Stream's current bitrate is lower than the recommended bitrate. 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:58.240 Hmm. 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.040 Well, I can't control that. 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:03.360 Bit rates and whatnot. 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:05.199 Uh, how's it going, guys? 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:08.160 Oh, Kelly made it. 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:09.600 Yo, Kelly. 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:10.720 I love that Kelly's here. 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:12.079 Hey yo, what up, Pam? 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:12.879 What up, Mike? 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:14.160 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:19.279 I was I was reaching out to Shannon to see if she was gonna come on and she she wasn't feeling it. 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:23.759 She's a little bit uh distraught with the whole situation that she's in right now. 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:25.439 But she suggested Kelly. 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:27.120 She's like, you gotta get Kelly on, man. 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:28.319 Kelly's got the passion. 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:29.839 Kelly's so awesome. 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:31.040 She's sending me videos. 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.279 She's like, Look, look at how passionate he is. 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:36.560 I'm like, Well, you had me at Kelly, like, bring him in. 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.519 So, welcome guys, welcome, Mike, long time no see. 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:42.480 Welcome, Pam. 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:44.399 Morning. 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:46.240 Welcome to Lori. 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:47.839 Welcome to Caleb Chen. 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:49.519 Marcus. 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:52.480 I don't think we've we've ever had the chance to meet. 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:54.079 So it's good to see you today. 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:55.839 And thanks for having us here. 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:56.959 Yeah, absolutely. 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:02.560 Pam reached out and sort of broke down what she was kind of do trying to do and what she was a part of. 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:04.480 And I thought, well, that sounds pretty awesome. 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:12.079 I've uh I have such a strong connection to the Kootenies for someone that doesn't get to go there as often as I would like to. 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:16.319 Got to shout out Che for bringing me out for the Unicorn Cups a couple of years in a row. 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:23.279 Because had I not gone out then, it really had been a very long time for me since I went to the Kootenies. 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:30.160 I started going to the Kootenies in 1990, uh, where I hooked up with Nick from Still Eagle. 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.399 My first trip, I stayed at Nick's apartment right above his uh hemp store there. 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:47.680 And we were kind of the hemp guys from Manitoba, my partner Martin Morovczyk and Alex Schwayeski and John Gill, those guys all went on to create uh Manitoba Harvest and Fresh Hemp Foods. 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:54.560 Uh, but before that, we you know, we would kind of come out to the Kootenys and we'd link up with the holy smokes guys. 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.519 We'd link up with Dustin, R.I.P. 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:05.839 to him, and Alan Middlemas, and Paul DeFelese, and even Terry, the the old school guy that used to make all the red oil in the Kootenies. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:11.439 And it was just such a unique group of absolute maniacs. 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:16.720 Uh, the the twin brothers, uh, Dave and oh my god, what are the twin? 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:23.360 Paul, Paul and Dave, old deadhead Kootenie guys who were from that era as well, the early 90s. 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:41.439 Uh, and they kind of took us under their wing and they brought us up on the mountain and they got us uh, well, before we went on the mountain, we were mixing super soils on the tarps and we were packing those into bags with the pots and the shovels and putting them into the trucks and covering everything because they were like, Yeah, they do roadblocks out here. 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:42.399 I'm like, what do you mean? 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.120 Like all we have is like uh earth and pots and shovels. 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:46.800 Yeah, yeah, that's what they're looking for, man. 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:48.000 We gotta hide it. 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:49.759 I'm like, you're kidding me, right? 00:07:50.000 --> 00:08:01.680 And so it was really kind of my first, really my first outdoor grow education came from the Kootenies in the early in the early 90s. 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:03.680 You know, those guys were really doing it. 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:09.439 They were they were paying attention on a level that most of the rest of Canada, unless you were it. 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:19.920 The other thing I should say, there were other people in Canada doing it, but the Kootenies was like this kind of Humboldt area where the rest of Canada was a little bit like Texas. 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.639 They were doing it, but they weren't telling anyone about it. 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:32.240 The Kootenies was telling everyone about it, and it didn't help that they had like the 14-year-old kids with the pagers like making deals in the early 90s just in the town. 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:38.480 They would, it was so easy to find people who were in Nelson or surrounding areas who were there to buy weed. 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:40.399 They stuck out like a sore thumb. 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.600 And uh God bless them for that, really. 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:51.200 I mean, you guys, uh the Kootenys changed cannabis in British Columbia, you know, they really, they really did in a massive way. 00:08:51.360 --> 00:09:17.200 And it's crazy because you guys are so far over from Vancouver where a lot of the business for cannabis uh would happen in those days, that you guys were much closer to Alberta than you actually were to, you know, where most of these sales were going down, which was, you know, as a buyer, if I had to buy a bunch of herbs, sure I'd go to the Kootenys, but then I'd have to deal with getting it from the Kootenys to Vancouver. 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:23.840 And it was always better if you could just kind of convince those people, hey, you just bring it up to Vancouver and it's gone, man. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.519 I swear, I promise. 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.799 Lots has changed in those 25 to 30 years. 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.600 Now you guys have an entire legal market. 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.919 Um, I remember seeing Kevin Godfrey speak a couple years ago. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.080 It might have even been more because I'm old now. 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:50.080 Fucking years are popping by like you wouldn't believe it might have been five or six years, but he was trying to explain to all the humble guys that you don't have to worry about your individual brands because the brand is actually humbled. 00:09:50.399 --> 00:10:02.080 And when he said that, and I saw him go into it because Kev's brilliant and he's got the art of, you know, the gift of gab, and he's really, he's just able to uh execute his his vision of what he's trying to say. 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:08.080 And he really he really got into my head the entire time I thought, well, that's what the Kootenies is. 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:09.919 You know, that's what the Kootenies is. 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:20.799 The Kootenies is the brand, and all of you guys under that brand, it's amazing, but always make sure you remember that the real brand of your brand is the Kootenies. 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:22.879 So welcome, Pamela, welcome, Mike. 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:34.960 Pamela, why don't you give us a little lowdown, little introduction on uh this project, the the you know, uh the email that you sent me basically, just kind of letting everyone know, hey, this is how we went about doing this. 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:36.399 And nice to see you both. 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.240 Yeah, nice to see you too. 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:39.519 Thank you for having us. 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:45.840 Because I guess the reason I reached out to you is because the Coonies come up on Hash Church all the time. 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:49.039 And what is happening over here is pretty cool. 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.559 And like you said, it's like an area that's like no others. 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.840 Michael and I have been here for this is going on four years, I think. 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:05.919 And like similar, we also ran into Chay and went to the Unicorn Cup and was enamored by this, the the culture here. 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:15.919 And and so um, in doing that, you know, I work deeply in the cannabis industry, and there's a project going on over here started by a woman named Dr. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:17.120 Tracy Harvey. 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:28.480 She's a researcher at Selkirk College here, and she did her um uh what is the word, dissertation about the cannabis industry here. 00:11:28.720 --> 00:12:05.200 And she's been researching and doing like quite a body of work actually, um, about just how legalization has impacted the the growing here and how um legalization is continuing to change this the scene here, and also just to help break stigma and stereotypes of like the the stereotype is that being in the cannabis industry is part of a like very um violent and criminal network, and that's changed, and just to change that stigma as well. 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:31.440 So, so she applied for a grant and got received her federal funding for a three-year project that helps to bring economic development and incentivization into the West Kooteny region and the Kootenai boundary region, and within that, we've been sort of, or she has been, um reaching out to every licensed grow and and unlicensed, just like keeping in touch with all the growers that are here. 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:40.799 And currently with with this three-year project, there's they've determined that there's gonna be like basically five little pilot projects within the project. 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:45.200 And us being here is part of the storytelling pilot project. 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.399 Um, and I'll talk, I'll just tell you about that first. 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:57.600 Is um over the next year, we're building a documentary about the Kooteny growers here and the Kootenai Collective in particular, which I'll get to in a sec. 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:08.399 And the the I'm building a film festival where we can premiere this um amazing documentary that's gonna happen next year in Nelson, BC. 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:12.399 And within that, we're just trying to get people's stories out. 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:24.320 So all these licenses that are here, we have about 20 of them that are actually licensed, they're microcultivators for the most part, and they are 20 so far. 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:30.080 Yeah, 20 so far, and for like reference, when we moved here, there was about like six. 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:36.480 So in the past four years, it's like tripled or quadrupled, if you will, and that's positive. 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:43.039 They estimate there was about 20,000 grows in the Kootenis at the peak of the 90s, yeah. 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.120 So yeah, yeah, right. 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:52.879 In the Slokan Valley, it's estimated that one out of every two homes had an active grow, which is crazy. 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:54.960 Um, and it's not like that anymore. 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:59.600 I've asked, I've asked around, being like, How many grows do you think still exist in this valley? 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:01.759 And I'm like, is it over 20? 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:03.600 Is it over like non-licensed? 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:08.320 And I haven't got a straight answer, but it's definitely not one out of every two. 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:16.399 No, I think that probably changed uh around the time California started to pick up uh to just to just be California. 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:17.600 I don't even know what they were doing. 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:22.399 Like it was only when California decided not to be California that BC became BC. 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.399 We were just sending so much flour down to the US. 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:35.200 Um, but I guess California really, I think shifted that long before we shifted into legal cannabis here in Canada. 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.600 I think California just kind of deciding, like, hey, what exactly are we doing? 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:41.279 Like, we're California. 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.159 And then they, you know, then then they started growing all that weed and shipping it out to everywhere. 00:14:46.320 --> 00:15:00.240 I saw a guy the other day say that if they if when California can export weed around the world, you know, that uh he was very confident in the fact that why would anyone why would they want anyone else's weed except California's? 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:04.559 And I think the Kootenies will give them a good run for their money on a on a smaller level. 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:06.480 Obviously, California is monstrous. 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:16.559 And if there was 20,000 grows in uh in the Kootenis, I'm sure there were hundreds of thousands of grows in uh in California. 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:21.200 Caleb, you you you've got a good uh sort of finger on the pulse in California. 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.159 Are you guys familiar with Caleb and what he's kind of been doing over there? 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:41.279 Because it really plugs in and fits into I feel like it it was a good plug-in to have him here today for the Kooteny show to share a little bit of what he's doing on uh in regards to you know bringing that knowledge to the forefront, working with uh the university there in Humboldt and doing similar things. 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:51.200 Also, like I know Dominic from Seattle, so I have like I haven't met Caleb in person, but it's really say hi to Dominic for me when you see him next. 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:53.039 Like I will, I will. 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:55.840 You invited him, maybe he'll jump on. 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:09.200 But um very much it's uh you know, we we we also have like a little three-year uh funded project, and we're also doing like a essentially a story pilot as part of like a five-section thing in Majig. 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:17.759 So I'm seeing very uh many analogies, and I'm just so happy to see that there's more funded research along this same path. 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:30.720 And definitely I've heard so much about the Kootenise Um, you know, through Hash Church, but also looking online, and it definitely seems like a a like historical period and a unique thing like worldwide. 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:56.159 Because and like one question I have is you know, I'd heard before that like BC um was like actively not prosecuting grows um like in the 90s, that a certain portion of time, and like this kind of like even predates like medical in the United States anywhere, as kind of like uh, you know, maybe the most obvious example of like de facto cultivation decrim. 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:03.279 And you know, I guess I'm wondering like, did that extend all the way out to the Kootenis, not just like around Vancouver? 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.960 And I apologize if that's a dumb geographic question from an American. 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:13.839 Yeah, so there's a I'll dive quickly into historical context. 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:21.759 The there's been cannabis grown in the Kootenis for a hundred years, um, probably probably 150. 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.200 So um potentially thousands. 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:36.160 We won't get in the archaeological evidence, but we know that cannabis was brought by the Ducobores, which settled in the Kooteny first in Saskatchewan and then the Kooteny region about a hundred years ago. 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:50.240 Prior to that, there were settlers on you know coming west on the Oregon Trail that likely brought cannabis in the form of hemp canvas long before there were any regulations with it. 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:58.720 So many of you know when the Duke of Boars ended up coming, they were fleeing religious prosecution in Eastern Europe, Russia primarily. 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:03.599 Um they settled there, they were a kind of communalist society. 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:10.559 So they were you know trying to set up communal land grants essentially where a whole community would own land. 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:25.200 And eventually the the government you know started trying to assign land to individual families, which led to a lot of upheaval and kind of a fracturing between that community, they kind of all scattered. 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:33.119 But there's been a long history of people essentially moving to the Kootenis to live off grid, live back to the land. 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.440 You know, we're a fairly remote part of the country. 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:39.839 We're four hours the closest Costco. 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:48.240 Um, you know, our flights regularly are canceled in and out of the local airports because they're the airports are fairly mountainous. 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:49.440 Cancel Gar. 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:51.279 Cancel Gar, yeah. 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:53.279 It's real, it's a real thing. 00:18:53.440 --> 00:19:04.720 So it's it's easier to drive to places like you know, Kelowna or Smokehan to fly out than it is to you know maybe maybe not get out of Castle Gar Trail. 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:12.880 Um or from there you you need to have a private light, private flying license to you know bring bring a single prop in and out. 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:21.119 So when you have areas that are relatively hard to get to, you know, weed. 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.240 Yeah, it's just like nor just like North Cow, you know, I'm not muted. 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:35.039 It's easy to find the grows in the Central Valley, it's a lot harder in the network of mazes up in the Emerald Triangle. 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:36.880 And so is true here. 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:59.359 We we call it the mountain mist, the green the you know, emerald fog, and there's tons of mountains, tons of valleys, and many of those areas that were logged over the last 50 years, you know, entrepreneurial homesteaders realized, hey, you know, after they should log, it's got 30 years before a logging company is going to show back up. 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:14.880 So you see things like you know, many of the drip line and drip tape, what we know of it as modern-day irrigation came out of growers setting up watering patches back in the backwoods. 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:18.880 Um other things like you know, carbon filters. 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:29.440 One of the original carbon filter manufacturers was based in the Kootenis until they were bought out by a public company and um moved out of the region. 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.400 But that facility is now a licensed grow. 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:35.759 So it is that is that Woody Nelson? 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:41.119 Is that what they yeah, okay, because I knew that building well when uh I can't remember her name, the owner of what was it? 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:49.839 Something can filters wasn't the growth store Kooteny Growers something. 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:51.359 Kooteny Grower. 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:53.279 There was a growth store associated with it. 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:55.599 You know, I don't supply. 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.079 Um oh yeah, yeah. 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:13.039 So yeah, they you know, they got bought, and then the building sat empty after the public company decided to move production away from the Kootenies, you know, to cl to areas where manufacturing is easier, supply chains are easier. 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:15.599 Um, we also saw that in Grand Forks. 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:20.400 There was a company, Gaia, that was set up in Grand Forks, Gaia Nutrients. 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:38.880 Um that was acquired over the last decade, and production left Grand Forks, and actually the son of the family restarted the company um Francia Nutrients are actually made here in the uh Kootenies, along with Dragonfly. 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.839 Um Dragonfly is based in the Kootenis. 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:46.799 Uh Josh, I think you got your production here as well as down in Oregon, right? 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:51.440 Uh we only have collaborative farms, D E M Pure Farms down there. 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:52.960 We don't have any cannabis farms. 00:21:53.200 --> 00:22:02.799 We did, and we had it, you know, some we started cannabis growing in Eugene in the early 90s, but then we Basically moved off up here onto the land. 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:05.599 We discovered the Kootenies from from Oregon. 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:07.279 But I love everything you're saying. 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.960 But I've never heard like I've heard Mike say this about the Duke of Bores. 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:14.960 Like, do you think a lot of people were growing cannabis in the 1900s in Nelson? 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:29.200 Because from the old school guys that I spoke with, the major, major, you know, cultural influence was from the American draft dodgers, the hippies, and the counterculture folks during the Vietnam War, late 60s, early 70s. 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:35.599 That's when that's when all my friends were like, because they didn't they didn't even know how to flower cannabis before that. 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:44.160 They were just like they grow the leaf as sate, like long narrow leaf drug cultivars, and never, I mean, you guys were doing it in California, even. 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:55.359 Imagine how bad it was up in Canada trying to grow like a you know this crazy narrow leaf drug cultivar that's just like in October, still just you know, these little leaves. 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:56.799 So it would be interesting to see. 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.680 I know, you know, Skunk Man Sam with the skunk number one. 00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:03.920 It would be, I tried so desperately to get some of my old school friends on here. 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:07.839 I tried to reach out to Paul DeFelice, but then I saw he was following Mark Carney. 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:09.200 So I no, I'm just joking. 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:13.359 Um, uh, and I was trying to get Basil from Allison's on here. 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:16.240 Yeah, I was trying to get Alan Middlemas on there as well. 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.039 I was like, oh, you know, I'll get you like that one, eh, Kelly? 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:20.319 Yeah, it was good. 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:22.400 I really did. 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:32.079 I went into I went in to find Alan Middlemas in his followers because I somehow have misplaced Alan's Alan is like literally he should have just told us. 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:33.839 We have he lives in Casla. 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.200 I know, I know, but it was like this morning, like the last minute. 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:39.359 I was like, oh, Alan would be great to have on. 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.359 We can do a part two, that's for sure. 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:42.799 I'd probably watch him. 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:47.119 Tell him to DM us and yeah, he watches the show. 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:47.519 I know. 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:49.279 So awesome, awesome. 00:23:49.680 --> 00:24:05.440 Yeah, regarding the like uh draft dodgers, so they came up here and made families, and they their kids are now like a lot of their kids are working in the industry on some level, which is super interesting. 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:16.160 So, like the culture is now generations deep as far as like how cannabis is in each family, and that's part of the special part of like put this whole project. 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:18.640 And and like I said, the storytelling is one part. 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:30.400 There's also export because a lot of these guys like they're not really selling in the domestic market right now, they're selling um overseas, and also creating a collective. 00:24:30.480 --> 00:25:00.559 So we've got the Koon Kootenie Collective that has been started, it's a nonprofit, and it helps to just bring everybody together and create this like quality standard that we expect coming out of the Kootenis so that people can associate that with the Kootenies, similar to Humboldt or Champagne, or you know, any of these regions that are creating um I'm gonna add a little bit of history to can everybody hear me at all? 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:01.279 Oh, yeah, there we go. 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:02.079 Go on, Lori. 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:13.039 Um, certainly in I'm from Kimberley, so we um were in the East Kootenies, so certainly a little bit tougher to grow in those kinds of areas. 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.599 Um, elevation's really high there. 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:35.119 So, I mean, I knew guys that uh used to take all their soil and equipment up on skidoos in the winter time so that they weren't traveling up those back roads with uh truckloads of equipment and soil and stuff, because yeah, nobody wanted to get busted, that's for sure. 00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:46.559 And one of the things that um really made the Kootenis stand out, I think, is because our winters can be really harsh and not everywhere is is is nice to grow. 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.759 We you know embraced the technology. 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:57.279 As soon as the technology was available to grow indoors, that's where we all got our basements going, right? 00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:57.920 At least. 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:04.400 And if we had a chicken coupe out in the back that was serviceable, we did that too, and so on and so forth. 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:08.400 So, you know, I'm probably one of the older ones here. 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:14.559 And, you know, I definitely started growing cannabis in the 90s for sure. 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:20.160 You know, that was my 20s, basically. 00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:25.759 So it was a really good time, and and you know, but it was still really hush-ush. 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:31.279 We were very close to Alberta, so a lot of stuff certainly traveled over to Alberta. 00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:41.920 Um, and then, you know, as things progressed and things started to come around, the Kootenis really did just make it well known that they produced cannabis. 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:50.160 I think you got it right, where like one out of every two homes had a grow of some kind on it at there at one point. 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:53.039 Legalization has certainly changed that. 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:59.839 Um but yeah, I mean, there are many, many, many uh cannabis growers in our area. 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:09.839 And we've all been experimenting with all the different kinds and ways of extraction and and uh really embracing the cannabis industry. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:20.720 Another thing that really made the cannabis industry big in the Kootenie area was because, you know, logging and and mining shut down there for for quite a while. 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:26.480 Kimberly's Kamenko used to be, you know, Kimberly was founded on mining. 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:36.559 And when the mine shut down, certainly there were a lot of people that embraced cannabis as a second income because it was really tough to stay in BC without a really good job. 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.359 And still our region suffers in that way. 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.640 So you'll still find a lot of people grow. 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:49.839 Um, business might not be as good as it used to be, but yeah, people just kind of get hooked on growing too. 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:54.720 So there's a lot of passionate people in our area and certainly a lot of history. 00:27:54.880 --> 00:28:01.440 Definitely the 60s played a massive role in bringing a lot of people into the Kootenai Lake region too. 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:06.160 And that's where we're located, is basically at the southern point of Kootenai Lake. 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:12.880 We're about 10 kilometers from the Idaho border and right on a main highway, Highway 21. 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:14.319 So it's a great location. 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:20.160 We're really hoping to get into the tourism and really excited about our collective that we've formed up here. 00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:27.759 There's a lot of really amazing companies that are are, you know, finally getting traction and and and making a name for themselves. 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:41.119 And and I just love that we are all coming together and um highlighting our stories and making sure that, yeah, Kooteny does rival Humboldt because we we do, we did before, we can again, you bet. 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:49.599 Yeah, and and really, you know, interesting that the Kootenai's success has always relied on export. 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:51.519 It's an export spot. 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:56.079 Like the people who are growing there are not the customers to buy that flower. 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:01.039 They'll trade, they smoke it, they love it, but it's their passion that they're exporting. 00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:02.720 And for the very, very longest time. 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:11.359 I mean, I when they say the longest unprotected border, dude, it is unbelievable how many pathways there were in the Kootenis right into the US. 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.519 You just walk a trail with a backpack, boom, you're like just hey, what's going on? 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:28.400 It was so just the way it was for so long that now so many so many years later, yes, after 9-11, that things changed drastically, but now you see the full circle. 00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:32.079 Pam just mentioned where where's a lot of the Kooteny flour going? 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.480 It's going overseas, it's being exported. 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:42.319 I'm sure it's probably being exported to Australia, maybe a little bit to New Zealand, probably eventually some some stuff going to Germany. 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:43.519 It is real. 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:44.640 Australia. 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:46.480 Yeah, Australia's a big one. 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:51.039 They're uh they're one of the big ones that take a lot of Canadian flour for sure. 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:52.640 I think the can go ahead. 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:54.480 No, I don't want to interrupt you, please. 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.599 No, first of all, first of all, welcome. 00:29:57.920 --> 00:29:59.200 David, you kidding me? 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:00.079 Ash Church. 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:00.640 I love it. 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:05.920 Thank you so much, and and infinite respect and love to the Kootenis, because in all honesty, it fully changed our lives. 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:12.000 I mean, we changed our lives because of the Kootenies, whatever, however you want to put it. 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.279 But and and we're in the same era, I think, as Lori. 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:29.839 You know, we we were kids in the 80s, we were on dead tour, we were in Eugene in the 90s, we had a child in the 90s, we discovered the Kootenies and became cannabis refugees because of it. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:37.920 But I'll say, as far as the historical aspect of the Kootenies, which is it's in line completely with Oregon and California as far as time-wise. 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:44.880 I mean, there's 40 million people in California, so it's very easy to develop a lot of stories with 40 million people. 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:51.359 And when there's like 10,000 or 20,000 people in one area, which is the Kootenies, it just really changes everything. 00:30:51.599 --> 00:31:00.720 But here in the village that we live in, we had a group of Quakers come from California in the 50s. 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:12.640 So they were, in the 50s, they were already disgusted with the way of life in America and the way that the government, it was McCarthyism at the time. 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.759 We've gone through so many isms and schisms, haven't we? 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.200 Here we are talking about the 50s, the McCarthyism. 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:30.960 The Quakers were going to go to Idaho or Washington, and then they even the mining back in the day, all the mining was it went to Spokane. 00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:35.759 Spokane funded all the mining up here in the 1900s. 00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:37.920 So easy connection, right? 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.119 You should Lori lives on the bottom of Kooteny Lake. 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:56.720 We live on the top of Kootenine Lake, 100 kilometers away from each other on a very long lake filled with glacial-fed mountain peaks, which one just goes, you can walk seven, 10 days down these canyons on no trails. 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:03.920 Um, so some people just came up here because we wanted to live close to the land. 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:11.200 We wanted to have home births, we wanted to do herbalism, we wanted to build all of our own housing. 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:15.759 We wanted to do, we're not trying to make steel or computers. 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.079 I mean, obviously, I don't need to go there. 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:22.319 But we as much as we can do, you know, like we're self-reliant human beings. 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:30.240 We chose this area because it's wild, and it's not about branding, it's about can you can you live here? 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.279 Like, can you make this a lifestyle? 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:39.920 Can you live two hours away from your town and still have a business and import and export and all that stuff? 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:51.200 We found a niche like the other families here, and there's so many amazing people here in the Kootenis, so many potent people that really did it on their own, even though we're a community. 00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.519 You said it, it's the it's the niche, it's the niche. 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.920 What you just said, we found a niche. 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.000 That's what the Kootenys is. 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.160 It's like thousands of niches just all plugged into there. 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:06.799 I mean, even just the homes that I used to visit, dude. 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:13.759 I'd go into these homes and be like, This house looks like you just built it yourself with no knowledge on how to build a house. 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:16.000 And he'd be like, I didn't. 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.160 And and something about that made it special. 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.000 You know, like I didn't look at it like it was sketchy and gonna collapse. 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:25.519 I was like, this is amazing. 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.160 You don't have to follow the rules. 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:38.559 You can like in all aspects, the Kootenis is the truest first place I ever saw a whole, like everyone just not following the rules. 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:45.839 Our building here that we're where we're located, it produced cannabis for decades. 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.839 We were not the first ones here at this building. 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:55.039 It used to be um it was Kootney egg equipment. 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.359 It still says so on the front of the building. 00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.559 It does not say Kootney Aeroponic on there. 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.680 But it was, you know, it serviced the farmers here for god generations. 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:19.920 This building was built in the 50s, and it's just a great big concrete block building, and then they turned it into a tractor repair on the upper level and kept the bottom level as their retail farm supply. 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:29.920 So this building has been here for a really long time, and certainly the people at some point they gave up on the business and let the place get run down. 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.920 So Chuck managed to get it at auction in what? 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:43.679 I think it was 2012, that he and he was already here in this building growing for another fella that had the building. 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:48.480 And that you know, the the deal went sour, I guess, with the bank. 00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:52.320 And yeah, Chuck ended up being able to get this building at auction. 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.480 And, you know, it's it's really kind of funny. 00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:03.760 In my hometown, like or well, our hometown here in Creston, you know, everybody knows this place as the grow-up. 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.480 It's just always been the grow-op. 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:13.119 It's never been known as anything else, other than way back in the day, it used to be Kooteny egg equipment. 00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:20.320 It also produces a lot of grains, not to interrupt you, but it's really cool that you have a lot of grains and a lot of also fruit and stuff. 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.880 It's a super like beautiful grow zone down there. 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:23.920 Yeah, it is. 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:25.840 Creston is unique too. 00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.280 It's a lot like the Okanagan because we are so close to Kooteny Lake. 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:33.599 So the climate is just beautiful here for fruit trees, everything. 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:35.760 Yeah, absolutely. 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:47.519 Yeah, so the the terroir of the Kootenis, I mean, you've got everything from marble, subsoil, sandstone, a lot of volcanic and metamorphic rock. 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:53.679 Yeah, this this part of the the Rocky Mountains that essentially crumpled over on itself. 00:35:54.239 --> 00:36:05.039 So pretty much everywhere we grow go, everywhere we grow, every grow that I go to has its own unique kind of terroir. 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:23.840 And everyone has like slightly different subs subsurface rocks, a lot a lot of it's metamorphic, but then has some combination of you know sand or subsoil, because we have about a three and a half million year geographic profile stacked into these different mountains and valleys. 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:25.679 Shay. 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:45.199 So like every one of these unique gardens, one of my fact some of the most beautiful gardens I've seen in North America have been permaculture gardens where they've got you know fruit trees, blueberries, huckleberries growing interplanted with their crops. 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:52.800 Um you know, dragonflies, probably one of the prettiest gardens, along with that rosebud, white grizzly here in the slow can. 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:53.360 Oh yeah. 00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:04.239 Yeah, she's able to not only grow her own food, but also has a variety of different animals that she's feeding with her cannabis leaves. 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.719 She sells me uh cannabis infused turkeys. 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.199 They're not infused, they're cannabis fed turkeys. 00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:18.079 No, not they have not been tested and or nor shown to have any cannabinoids in the meats when they are delivered. 00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:19.119 They're delicious. 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:20.639 But they are delicious. 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:35.519 And when you look at you know, historically, you know fifty years ago plus hundred years ago before prohibition, there was a large percentage of many of the animals' diets were were made out of various grains, including cannabis. 00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:44.639 So when you look when you go to places like Morocco, Nepal, those areas, they will feed their excess seeds to their animals. 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:52.320 And those animals, uh while living in a fairly you know intense environment, they still are able to thrive. 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:54.800 And we're seeing the same thing here. 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.159 This climate is fairly similar to the Himalayan Mountains. 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:11.519 You know, we're up in the mountain valleys, we get nice cool nights and uh early winters, so growing long flowering uh sativas is difficult, but uh there are people that do it. 00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:16.159 Yeah, people not only people indoors that do it, God's work. 00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:18.800 Yeah. 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.280 Lori, you're I I think we were we had a laugh about this a couple weeks ago. 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:30.480 Growing in in sativas indoors in one of the most beautiful climates in the world. 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:38.719 But it's something that like outside of the tropics where you where you can grow for ten months out of the year, it's really hard to do. 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:51.760 But you know, people are oftentimes growing unique strains that aren't you know the newest strains, but they're they know they grow well in this climate and they produce awesome hash or extracts. 00:38:52.000 --> 00:39:03.440 Um and then they've they're able to spread them with other varietals from from around the world that have essentially been able to adapt to this climate. 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:05.920 So I'll tell you. 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.000 I mean, certainly we embrace the aeroponic here for sure. 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:16.719 And the inside, because it can be, I mean, I have hats off to all of the outdoor farmers. 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:24.000 Um, certainly I have nothing but respect, mad respect for what they do, especially the regenerative guys out there. 00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:25.039 It's amazing. 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:37.039 I mean, one of the things that we really um embraced about aeroponics, especially for this building, is just the simple fact that we use 70% less fertilizer. 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.079 We use about 90% less water. 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:52.400 Um, we could even recap if we could recapture our water and and do the reverse osmosis thing, um, um, if we could get that in line, then basically we don't use any water at all. 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:58.079 And yeah, 70% less fertilizers and foods used in our in our products. 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.119 So that's one of the great things about aeroponics. 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:04.400 Um, the other great thing is that there's no heavy lifting. 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.280 You know, it's a really simple and easy way to grow. 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.159 And you can do some really fantastic things with arrow. 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:20.800 That's one of the advantages that I have to do those sativas inside, because yeah, they are longer flowering and it does cost more money to grow them, but it's worth it. 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:23.760 Everything happens really fast with aeroponics. 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.960 So that's that's one of the reasons why we're able to do that. 00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:31.920 And I'd assume that arrow will give you a bit of an advantage in the nursery side. 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.800 You guys are selling plants to the stores as well, right? 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:35.760 Yeah, yeah. 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.960 We used to do all of our starts by arrow. 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:45.360 Now we've moved away from that and we use easy plugs because they go into our system really, really well. 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.679 We don't have to worry about them at all. 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:51.679 So we have moved to using those guys, and I do love using them. 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.440 They they work so well. 00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.679 And yeah, I've got lots of clones coming out this spring for sure. 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.760 And I've got wild strawberry bubble brains on the market right now. 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:05.360 They're in the central delivery, and those guys are bubble hash coded. 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.960 And yeah, we're just, you know, trying to rock on forward. 00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:15.599 And and uh times have been tough, obviously, for a lot of us and and and across the country. 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:25.360 So, you know, it's really nice to just try to talk about our story and get it out there so that more of our products are recognized and people are after them. 00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:26.800 Totally. 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.840 You should say you're in bubble grains. 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:31.920 Is that an infused joint? 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:32.400 What is that? 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:33.840 Yeah, they're double infused. 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.679 So those guys are double infused and then they're hash coded. 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.159 So yeah, they're really nice, they smoke really nice, but we love our bubble hash. 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:46.880 So yeah, we have to make sure that it kind of takes the spotlight on those for sure. 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:49.280 Awesome. 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:51.679 I uh I had a bunch of things I wanted to say. 00:41:51.760 --> 00:42:03.119 I think I'll go back to when I was I I probably was between 17 and 19 years old the first time I ended up in the Kootenies, and I'm pretty certain I drove there with my friends from Manitoba. 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:08.639 And this is when we met all these characters, but I just remember being from such a very flat place. 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:34.400 The profound shift in energy of the mountains and the forest in the Kootenies, just from the time we hit it, like Alberta was all kind of gnarly, like like Manitoba and Saskatchewan, but then we kind of got into the you know the foothills and Banff and Jasper and these sort of beautiful rocky mountains, and then getting through to the Kootenys was just uh yeah, I'll just never really forget it. 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.480 I was in awe like the whole time. 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:40.239 I was just like, I need to be here. 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:54.800 Like it was the beginning of my one reason is, and I want to hear from Chay and people that haven't talked, but uh that one thing about this area that we'll just touch on is it's it's the only inland temperate rainforest in the world. 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.679 So it's a it's an inland rainforest. 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:04.960 We're in between the Okanagan, which is super dry, and really the Rockies are they're dry, like it's a drier mountain range. 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:09.760 And then you have the Columbia River Trench, and then the Fraser and the Columbia. 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.480 It's a pretty wild, you have to check it out yourself later. 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:22.079 But it is a beautiful environment and it's unique, and you do feel a change when you walk, when you come into it, just everything changes, especially when you go to Rosebud Farm. 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:36.000 It's even more, I mean, honestly, though, like that farm and going to Unicorn and Rosebud Farm over the years and and getting to know you, Che, and and watching that area, you know, you uh become one with that zone. 00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:43.440 I mean, clearly it's one of the really unique biospheres of the Kootenis with that lake, with those things. 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:44.800 I just love to hear some of your thoughts. 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:45.519 You're beautiful. 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.840 I love your family and your business. 00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:49.039 You know. 00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.599 Everything changes when you have uh a young child at home. 00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.840 Like your schedule to be flexible. 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.760 Thanks for uh the invitation, Marcus, and it's great to see so many friends in one place. 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:07.920 Thank you for those wonderful words. 00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.400 Josh, I think you win the award for the coolest background, hands down today. 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.119 I missed where you are, but it is Hash Church, so you know. 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:23.679 This is Prague, this is uh little baby Jesus, which is a funny, but we that we'll talk about that later. 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:26.159 Baby Jesus is cool. 00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.679 Um thanks for the nice words about Rosebud 2. 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:35.679 We're really like uh grateful to have ended up being a custodian to such an amazing piece of land. 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:40.639 And the only thing that was missing for so many years is all of you, everyone else. 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.400 Uh it felt like selfish to just enjoy it alone. 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:55.440 It felt like the real reward is actually getting other people here to enjoy it and experiencing like you know, like a child experiences things for the first time and you get to experience it through their eyes. 00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:59.280 And that's the coolest part about having people come enjoy this space. 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:04.320 I get to we get to experience it through their eyes and feel that excitement and connection again. 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.360 And it is a really powerful spot in my opinion. 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:22.960 You know, we're we're a mile from Shambhalan and it's sort of recognized around the world as this uh Shambhalan as this uh place of raised energy and connection and frequency and all those sort of things we won't go too far into on this. 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:27.360 But um I feel it here too, and people tell me they feel the same thing. 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.280 There's something special in the air here. 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.480 Maybe the indigenous might call those places like a power spot. 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.960 And it's a really great place to like reconnect with nature. 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:41.440 It seems like the longer we're here, the more we actually connect with nature. 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:45.840 And it's it's like the ceiling keeps keeps raising that connection with nature. 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:52.159 You think yeah, connect with nature, but then you like connect a little deeper and you realize that this just keeps going. 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:57.280 And I'm really I'm really glad to be able to put this on and have our community come together as well. 00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:58.239 It's really important. 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.639 It's challenging, but it's been challenging, and it may still be challenging, but we can put all that behind us. 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:12.639 We just get together, celebrate the plant, our community, the culture, extracts. 00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.920 And um, yeah, it's a really great, really great vibe. 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.039 I think it's important for our community to have things like this. 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.280 I uh double that for sure. 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:24.800 It was a super good vibe. 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:26.719 The lake is beyond beautiful. 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:43.599 The the fact that it's full of these little like painted turtles that are just all like super psychedelic, trippy little turtles, and when you're out on the lake just hanging out on a paddle board or something, they're just like just pop up next to you and kind of like look at you with a side eye and like head off to the shore. 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:45.199 Uh, that was pretty cool. 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:50.559 It it was nice to be somewhat close to home in my own province. 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:52.960 Uh turtle for you. 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:54.239 Oh, beautiful. 00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:54.880 Look at that. 00:46:55.199 --> 00:47:03.119 That's a local artist here in Crescent, does these, and yeah, we're big on turtles here in Crescent because we have a turtle crossing. 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.039 Of course you do. 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:06.880 Of course you have a turtle crossing. 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:11.199 That's we have a little turtle crossing as well up here, and we have to be careful this time of year. 00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.679 We have little, we have little cones on the road. 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:17.840 Yeah, look out for the little black blob that's going across the road. 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:22.000 Yeah, there's actually highway signs that have turtle crossing. 00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:24.559 That's awesome. 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:25.679 Very good. 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.239 We got mountain goat crossing as well, which is a cool looking sign. 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.119 You know, the mountain. 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.519 I don't know if anyone's ever seen the white mountain goats. 00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:40.960 I mean, they look like gorillas, they're such an interesting, odd animal, you know, and they're just all like, but they're very pretty. 00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:43.440 Um gorillas. 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.760 A lot of a lot of coyotes and wolves lately. 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:59.519 We've been hearing wolves in the mountains, so we don't you don't normally hear that, you know, but we we have been lately, and it's just this amazing wolf noise just coming out of a mountain. 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.079 I feel like when you hear the wolves, you got like a healthy system going on. 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.039 How about I hear they're coming up from Yellowstone. 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:11.840 Maybe someone knows more about that than I do, but that's what we hear in the area. 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:13.840 The relocation. 00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:23.280 But and I'll just add that I mean the the Kootenies here helped inspire the whole entire dragonfly earth medicine movement. 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:29.119 And as much as we're in the Kootenis, we really don't believe in borders, you know. 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:51.840 So we always, you know, we're kind of from everywhere, but we're really been held here in this environment and learning about growing and living annually on a farm in a garden, preserving it, including cannabis, including flowers, pears, apples, everything, herbs. 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.719 How do you keep basil nice all year? 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.840 And it sounds silly, maybe, but you know, but like it's important, right? 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:11.760 Because if you're gonna save your own food, if there's a war happening and maybe there's no less for let me less fertilizer, maybe there's less food, maybe a good time to look into farming, you know, or gardening. 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:23.360 Let's just gardening and extracting and get your own bubble bags, like put some herb in the back of the yard, put it with other plants, watch it interact. 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:30.639 I mean, it's actually the gift of human, it's it's the prize of being alive, in all honesty. 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.559 It's the it's a it's a gift, you know? 00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:39.039 And so yeah, and we keep getting given that gift in this environment. 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:51.519 We're choosing all of our seeds right now and coming up in a few more days to two more weeks, we start looking at planting our seeds because we we really don't use clones on our property. 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:58.880 We have, and we've taken clones, but really we like seeds and we love the health that comes from them. 00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.480 We like the diversity that comes from it. 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.920 It's kind of a source garden in that way. 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:22.719 It's not about production, you know, it's about exploration and uh education and fascination and man, so many, so many words. 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:30.639 And it's and and and then to share with your children and then you know, to have them grow up and then have children and then have a grandchild. 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:39.199 And it's like, damn, how we can't lose this, you know, this can't be a business that then gets lost. 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:43.840 You know, so we have to like we be mindful of that as we move forward. 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:52.159 You know, how are we how is this our lifestyle to stay forever and then maybe generational at that point? 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:58.800 So that's those are the kind of things we we think about here, you know, on and the and in the decisions that we make and moving forward. 00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:07.440 Well, cannabis has always taught me the main issue really is make sure that you can pivot, follow your passion and pivot. 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.039 I'd love to hear from Kelly. 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:24.880 Oh, I just actually want to touch upon what Josh was saying and then kind of tie that into what Pam was mentioning about maintaining the Kootenise or establishing it as like the Chardonnay, Merlot, Bordeaux uh region for growing. 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:31.760 And I think that is by the only way for true tiroir to express itself is through seed. 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:46.800 And um I think that ties back into like I just had this weird thought um because Kevin Jodry said that the future of outdoor cannabis cultivation will be for resin production. 00:51:47.599 --> 00:52:23.440 And if like we the Kootenis want to establish themselves as this area where Tarar is known, then essentially what's necessary is breeding seeds outside in the soil where you're growing your flower and then um making hash from the from that specifically, and I think that that's gonna be like um because like love, I love good indoor flower too, but it's not a true expression of the region that it's grown in. 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:34.400 Um, and then obviously with hash, you're isolating those expressions even further, and so yeah, just my sentiment on that. 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.960 Shout out to seeds outside. 00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:56.639 I've heard more and more friends of mine, one a particular fairly serious breeder who was who also was like, seeds are definitely there's a reason they're seeds, it's not like they're fighting for second place, they're like literally how plants pass on their genetic code. 00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:02.480 Yeah, and I mean it's not to say there's not magic in saving a clone. 00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.119 I mean, that's of course that's where the business is. 00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.480 It's we know that that's that's fine, and and that's a great thing. 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:12.880 And to know how to clone healthy and do that is is powerful. 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:18.639 Um, but there's just nothing like the health of the sea. 00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:21.920 I mean, people have seen our Instagram page and the giant leaves and everything. 00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:28.079 I mean, I'm not saying they can't come from clones, but it is tapped in, you know what I mean? 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:38.320 Like there's a difference, and we've learned how to catch all the natural triggers of the plant and then light dep it. 00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:44.079 That's just what works for us because and we love hash, right? 00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:48.239 And we we know, and it's a goal, and I think we're all going towards it. 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:53.519 You know, if we can produce a killer full-term hash plant, like Che has them. 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:59.519 I know that Che does this, so you you have produced full-term. 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:06.400 I think in the exploration of the new genetics, that's where maybe light depping makes sense. 00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:20.639 Because then now you've you have a timeline on on their flowering, and then all the expressions that come with that, and then you can say, Whoa, there's the window I can use for the outdoor full term, you know. 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:22.880 Um any thoughts on that? 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.519 You know, you please feel feel free to jump in. 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.320 But um, yeah, hash is key. 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.920 Thank you, Marcus, uh, for the inspiration. 00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:37.039 And uh and it continues to evolve what you can make out of a hat extract. 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:43.440 What and I love the the the brains, the the the double-coated, infused doobie and stuff. 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:49.199 I mean, there's uh I like smoking hash with herb together. 00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:53.280 You know, I feel like that's like the the medicine way to go. 00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:55.119 I believe that too. 00:54:55.280 --> 00:55:01.280 I very much believe that hash is one of the most medicinal substances on the planet. 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.119 Um, thanks to cannabis, right? 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:04.880 It's yeah, it's amazing stuff. 00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:21.519 I've used it for a long, long time for many, many reasons, whether you're relaxing or whether, I mean, I think Bruce Lee used to eat hash almost every day as well, just to keep limber and and relax and make sure that he um recovered from injuries really fast, right? 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:26.000 So yeah, it's a it's a really, really, really important thing. 00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:29.280 So I really do appreciate being here, Bubble Man. 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:33.199 I know that we use bubble bags all the time. 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:34.639 We're very old school. 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:40.559 We do the same old methods that we always used in the 90s and all the way along, right? 00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:48.079 It's just, yeah, it's it's an amazing, it's an amazing life, a challenging life, maybe, but it's amazing. 00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.000 And every day is an adventure. 00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:50.880 Absolutely. 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:51.519 And you know what? 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:59.599 I'll take the challenging all day long to remove the prohibition of cannabis where my brothers and sisters were getting jailed. 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:10.000 Not necessarily in Canada, although my mentor Ron did do 11 years in a federal penitentiary in Manitoba for growing cannabis, which is uh really a crime against humanity. 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.880 And then all my other friends Chuck did time. 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:20.639 Yeah, my partner Chuck did time in Alberta because yeah, he had one of the very first medical grows there through the MMAR program. 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:31.519 And then the only reason he got busted was because he was having such a difficult time finding a physician to sign off among his prescription. 00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:32.960 So there you have it. 00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:45.039 You know, they just about ruined his life, almost, you know, lost his property, the whole nine yards, certainly a lot of damage to his property because they were pretty mean in Alberta when it came to cannabis cultivation. 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:54.639 So when they decided to bust into Chuck's place, they did it in the dim of winter and then left his doors wide open and he was off to jail. 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.519 So that's it, that shit's real. 00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:16.960 And we've certainly had really good close friends that have gone through nothing but help because of prohibition with their little girl who had one of those um awful seizure disorders and providing cannabis for for their daughter and other little girls and little boys like her. 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:19.119 And yeah, they went through help. 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.920 They're they're out of the cannabis industry, so to speak, as far as the legal part of it. 00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:35.039 But um, they're living life up in Prince George and away from all of the rat race, and just yeah, they they decided that they just don't want to be a part of it anymore. 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:36.079 And that's why. 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:40.559 And it was really traumatic and really tragic, and there's a lot of stories like that. 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:48.400 That's why I'm willing to be happy that that is in the rear view mirror, and we can just have things a little harder, you know. 00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:56.079 Maybe we don't have the four thousand dollar pounds, but also, you know, Chuck's not getting his door kicked in in the dead of winter and going to jail. 00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:57.039 So that's right. 00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:58.320 I'll take that. 00:57:58.639 --> 00:57:59.360 Me too. 00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:00.079 Any day. 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:05.440 I think it's fair to say that both don't work. 00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:11.360 And and I'm not saying I want one over the other because both of them don't work. 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:17.199 Like there's not one, it's not every other person is a not a grower anymore here. 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:18.079 Yeah, I don't know. 00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:25.519 No, but that was based on the prohibition of cannabis because of the the jail times made the prices so high. 00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:28.159 That was the value, right? 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:32.480 You know, and a lot of these legal companies tried to keep that same value. 00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:33.280 I think. 00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:36.480 I mean, here's a perfect example glass pipes. 00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:42.000 Remember when glass pipes were selling for 30 and 40 and 50,000 for a pipe? 00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:46.639 That was completely and totally based on prohibition prices of oil. 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:53.280 Guys would blast BHO or make bubble or whatever and sell it or trade it and buy these crazy pipes. 00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:54.880 But that fell out. 00:58:55.119 --> 00:59:09.840 So many legal dispensaries, so many legal shops that the glass game, aside from maybe Mothership and some very key artists, and even those ones, like I saw Elbow put up an absolutely incredible dyno the other day. 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:13.360 And man, back in the day, I think that thing would have been like 50 racks. 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.280 And I don't I maybe it's 15 racks now instead of 50. 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:17.920 I don't know. 00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:27.840 But a lot of that part of our industry, the value of glass, because I think it was this place for cannabis to be able to put money into. 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:39.280 Couldn't really just put it into a bank, but you could put it into a collectible, you could put it into this artistic, you know, expression that was also super cannabis uh inspired. 00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:43.760 Plus, it's you know, a pipe, so you can smoke uh extracts through it. 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:48.880 It's just an interesting um sort of can sort of connection that I saw. 00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:53.840 Glass really helps you elevate your high as well. 00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:55.440 Yeah, of greed. 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.880 And so that's a big uh there you go. 00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:01.440 Um but yeah, no, it's true. 01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:08.000 And I and I and I give thanks for not you know having to fear for the law, you know, for sure. 01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:13.519 Because we came from Oregon and California, and no one wants that feeling. 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:18.480 Camp, the whole feeling of helicopters, and it's a terrible feeling. 01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:21.760 So, but I saw I feel that same way as you do. 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.880 Yeah, it's definitely life-threatening that feeling. 01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:30.000 That feeling is like taking, it's like it's just chewing away at your soul. 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:34.800 You know, it's it's the feeling of like having a full trunk and getting pulled over. 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:38.320 Yeah, who doesn't know that feeling around here? 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:45.519 Carrying 20 kilos somewhere for a drop, and that would have your truck break down. 01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:58.719 I grew up in an area, part of the states, where you get caught with the roach and you're facing 10 years, and then I have epilepsy, I have medical conditions that necessitate it. 01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:02.800 And while that didn't work, well, pharmaceuticals didn't work for my sister. 01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:04.719 I was able to find cannabis. 01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.760 So I became a refugee in my teenage years. 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:26.960 I had to move first to the medical states of Colorado, and then when Colorado passed their medical laws, we were able to open dispensaries, and when they passed the recreational laws, it made it difficult to do a medical grow because you had to be vertically integrated with the retail store. 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:32.880 So I moved to Washington and it was bet to be a it was a better market to be a grower and extractor. 01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:49.039 Now that Canada is legal, it's a better market to be a patient because you know, while I still have to jump through the loopholes to get a RD license, a nursery license, a micro license, or whatever, you know, at least there's a pathway. 01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:56.239 And you know, I can get those get a license to be able to pheno hunt those medical strains that work best for me. 01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:03.519 Which you know takes a lot more plants than the four that were currently allowed. 01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:39.599 But as we're allowed as those markets as the the states opened up and as Canada and other countries start to open up, you're going to see a path, you know, this slow tr transition from ever everybody being you know risking their freedom just to just to treat themselves with the homeopathic herb to eventually having some level of regulation that you know we hope we as the advocates within the industry need to make sure that we can always have our constitutional rights. 01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:47.199 Part of the reason I moved to Canada is because they treat plant medicines, cannabis and psychedelics as a constitutional right. 01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:50.480 Um there are still people being thrown in jail. 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:57.119 I have family members in jail for using plant medicines, um cannabis specifically. 01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:05.360 And you know, while I was just I was able to escape Idaho and not everybody can. 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:15.360 So we uh we still need to be able to advocate for our brothers and sisters in the in the markets in the countries and states that don't have access. 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:26.719 And then as uh new markets come online, you know, hopefully we can advocate so that the patients don't get left behind for the corporations. 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.000 Um but it's an iterative process. 01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:52.320 You know, the the g when governments first do something, they're gonna be fairly conservative, and then it's up to us activists to be able to kind of take those steps, explain to them why this or that doesn't quite work, and why it and then as they have multiple iterations of the rules and regulations, you're gonna see each market get better and better. 01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:59.199 Um but it the government works far slower than science, science and advocacy. 01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:06.639 So the world needs those rebels, the world needs the people and the world needs the activists. 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:19.920 So, you know, it's been interesting to watch the industry kind of evolve, but it's you know what I mean what I've been fortunate enough, you know, when I first moved to Canada, I thought, okay, I'm moving to a legal country. 01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:21.599 It's gonna be legal. 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:23.360 It's not, it's regulated. 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:28.239 We're not nearly nowhere in the world can is cannabis legal. 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:32.400 Uh it's it's we are just on a spectrum of regulation. 01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:49.280 And those regulations will hopefully get easier as uh educate as the world gets better educated and as the ignorance of and uh political greed essentially get overthrown by by the people and advocates standing up for the patients. 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:55.440 So but the reality is is like there's going to be a market for people to home grow. 01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:59.920 Because there's some my favorite strain is not available in any market. 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:02.559 Uh what's your favorite strain? 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:08.400 Oh, I d I like C BD dominant strains, but I like C BD dominant strains that have THC strains. 01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.360 So I can't go buy it at a Hempstor. 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.639 Most recreational guys just want 30% THC. 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:21.519 Well, that's what their buys are saying. 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:23.039 Hi Kelly, hi Dominic. 01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:25.519 Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to see you guys. 01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:28.239 In a minute, Dominic. 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:29.760 Hey everybody. 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:31.199 I'm just sitting and listening. 01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:32.880 It's so amazing to be a part of this. 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:34.000 I feel super honored. 01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:34.960 Thank you. 01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:36.400 Oh my god. 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:39.199 Oh, hi Dominic. 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:42.239 I have a very fast hash story to throw in here. 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.079 I work at a pot shop a couple days a week in Breaker Street and Nelson at Buddy's place. 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:53.519 And one day I had this old guy come in and he comes in and he buys one gram of um bubble hash from Good Bud. 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:54.800 So fully organic. 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:55.599 It's a nice product. 01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:57.199 I feel good selling it to him. 01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.599 And he goes outside and he eats it. 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:06.719 And he comes back like an hour later, and he's maybe two hours later, and he's like, I want some more. 01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:08.000 It was really good. 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:10.960 Like, that's just how he consumes it, just eating it straight. 01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:12.480 And it kind of blew my mind. 01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:14.719 And that's my hash story for this moment. 01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:16.800 That's a character right there. 01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:20.639 That's just uh that would that would throw you for a loop. 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:25.280 If if I saw that, I'd be like, damn, like you're not gonna decarb that or anything. 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:31.920 Like, sorry, I have a little bit of a story too. 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:35.599 In Creston here, we had um a dispensary as well. 01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:39.360 It was just out in Erickson, just right close to Creston. 01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:43.519 And we had three clients that were centurions. 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:52.480 So we had three people that um regularly used edible cannabis um and they were over a hundred years old. 01:06:52.719 --> 01:07:01.679 Only in Crescent and this area do you really find stories like that because people live such healthy, close to the land lives. 01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:26.880 Um, so yeah, you find an awful lot of um people live past 100 in our area, and they have had cannabis in their lives for so long now, being, you know, living in this area for 100 years or more, that uh yeah, they're fully they're fully aware and they they embrace cannabis just as as much as any of our age group does and and and lower, right? 01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:28.239 So it's interesting. 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:32.960 We were really honored to have those three people as our patients during that time. 01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:35.760 That's wonderful. 01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:37.119 Hey, welcome Dom. 01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:39.840 Did uh I saw Dom came in and welcome Kelly as well. 01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:41.920 And that's yeah, look at that. 01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:44.480 Dude, I've had this thing on like the wrong. 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:45.760 Sorry, guys. 01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:47.119 Should have said hello a little bit. 01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:47.920 No, no, no. 01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:48.960 I'm enjoying. 01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:53.440 I I I love hearing of all of this that's going on. 01:07:53.599 --> 01:08:00.400 I I I I love hardy people living in hardy lands doing amazing things that people said they can't do. 01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:04.639 I I love people who live against the rules and live their own way. 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:06.960 I I I grew up Cajun. 01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:12.960 So, you know, Cajun's we're kind of outside of your regular society when we're skeptical of society. 01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:16.640 So I've always had a great and deep appreciation. 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:18.800 I don't have the hardiness you folk have. 01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:20.319 Bless your hearts, all of you. 01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:29.039 You're fucking hardcore on a level that, you know, I got nothing but a salute for and uh nothing but respect for as well. 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:32.960 Um, I just uh due to my disability, I can't do that. 01:08:33.119 --> 01:09:01.039 But I have nothing but mad respect for those that are doing it, like Lori, Pam and Mike, Kelly, Kelly and Josh, and over there in Rosebud, you know, what y'all are doing really shows people that, you know, the mainstream is its own thing and that you can do your own path in your own way and make it beautiful and sustainable, so that as Josh said earlier, the wolves are coming around howling. 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:11.520 That's nature, that's nature's acceptance, that's the you're living in it, and it's living in you, and that is something that no money can buy. 01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:20.640 And so I once you live that, it's uh near impossible for many people to live back in society, right? 01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:29.600 So, um, because you've made yourself completely sustainable in ways that you know most people can't even consider the idea of. 01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:39.279 They think it's some weird romantic thing they ring read in a book where y'all all put roots down deep and respect. 01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:43.039 Thanks so much, Atien. 01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:44.159 It's really interesting. 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:52.720 It's like um, you know, radicalness, what we do, which is just being part of nature, is considered radical. 01:09:53.279 --> 01:10:03.600 But living in a city and taking buses and driving around all the time and living in that world is not is just considered normalized. 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:13.760 And I really love sort of that idea of um, you know, like a seed when the first root pops, it's called, you know, the radical root. 01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:16.239 It's it's it's the first root that pops. 01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:24.640 And I feel like people who are radical in nature or whatever, once that root pops, that's it. 01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:26.800 You just can't really go back. 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:36.880 It's almost like you've had a taste of nature, you've had a taste of difficulty in a way that sort of suits your own body. 01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:41.359 And just like that root coming out, it's it's there, it's done. 01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:43.600 It's gonna grow something amazing from there. 01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:48.640 And I really sense that a lot with the people here in this environment. 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:55.119 Like they already popped that radical root, and it's never, it's gonna be really hard uh to go back. 01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:59.600 Um, and I know that for sure with Kelly, he's laughing in the background. 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:05.520 He keeps trying to go back to the city, but this place just keeps pulling him over and over and over again. 01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:10.960 And uh I know he popped his radical root a long time ago, and uh, same with you, Che. 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:14.079 You're laughing back there, but it is true. 01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:20.079 Yeah, well, I'll add that we have a tremendous and a great amount of respect for you as well. 01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:22.800 And like just one's not better than the other. 01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:23.920 We'll always say that. 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:27.199 It's it's the balance, it's it's what's magical about humanity. 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:37.199 I mean, here you are embracing everything that we want out of society, you know, and bringing medicine to people. 01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:45.520 You're traveling to the UN, you're going around the world, you're a military uh person who's been through unbelievable things. 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:46.960 We've heard your stories. 01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:48.399 It's spectacular. 01:11:48.640 --> 01:12:03.840 So we want you to know how much love we have for you and what you've upheld in Berkeley, one of the homelands of progressive thinking, and really those people went back to the land. 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:06.479 You know, like we're just a representation of the people. 01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:10.720 My parents were in Berkeley in the city, you know, they they met in the San Francisco. 01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:12.319 My dad's from Oakland. 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:20.159 My dad's a guy, my mom's from the Bronx, my dad's from Oakland, and now we're three generations in the Kootenies. 01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:34.159 Our root, our radical root has popped, but it it's it's it's the community that makes it all valuable, and that's what we wanted to show equal respect to everyone in the audience as well as on the screen as well. 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:38.880 Beautiful, beautiful, yeah. 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:40.640 Oh, go ahead, Pam. 01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:44.960 Since I'm here for at the same time, I also want to give a shout out to Etienne. 01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:58.560 You're like one of my favorite people on Hash Church, and the things you do just are so blow my mind, and I just appreciate how hard you work for this plant, and you're kind of a big deal. 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:00.960 I'm humbled and honored. 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:02.560 I don't feel like a big deal. 01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:06.159 I'm just uh I'm just working with others to make change. 01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:19.760 I got I fell into this, whereas some of y'all were born into this, and it's it's just I'm fortunate to have this, and I use my privilege to help others because that's what my mom taught me to do. 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:22.640 My brother was born blind, so is my father. 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:31.520 So I've always spent myself around helping and uplifting people that were not as lucky as the rest of us, and I've never forgotten that. 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:37.039 And I it's just something I've always carried with me, and I see a lot of y'all carry that too. 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:44.000 You know, you you carry your own burdens of love to share and help others in any and every way that you can. 01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:47.039 So I'm just doing my part the same way that y'all are. 01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:51.199 I'm just a small little piece of sand on a big beach of love trying to make it all better. 01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:53.760 So thank you all for doing what you do. 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:55.840 Well, smoking a fatty. 01:13:56.479 --> 01:13:58.960 Well, somebody's got to smoke this fatty. 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:04.800 I tell you, there are some really, really, really um amazing people in our community. 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.600 And I do want to give a big shout out to Tracy. 01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:18.239 Um Tracy Harvey, she's the one that's, you know, behind the research program that we're all working within to do the Kootenai Collective. 01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:20.079 She's just, she's a trooper. 01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:32.399 Um and Pam, I, you know, ever since I first met you over at the very first Nelson meeting that that you and I never came into contact, I just I think you're amazing. 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:35.279 You're a great advocate for our community. 01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:43.119 And Chay, just so happy that we're all together and doing some stuff together and really promoting our region. 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:51.359 I have to run you guys because yes, the girls are calling and I'm cloning and I've got lots of things to look after. 01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:54.880 But Bubble Man, thank you for hosting us this morning. 01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:56.079 I really appreciate it. 01:14:56.239 --> 01:15:00.560 It was really nice to meet you and hear what you had to say and your experiences. 01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:03.279 Etienne, I really want to get to know you better. 01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:08.159 I really think you're a light and dragonfly, earth menacing, you guys. 01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:14.960 I mean, mad, yeah, just mad respect for everything that you guys do, Kelly, everyone. 01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:18.960 Mike, can't wait to see you at PMW next time. 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:20.640 See you guys. 01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:22.000 Thanks for coming out, Lori. 01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:23.199 Have an awesome day. 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:24.079 No problem. 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.159 I hope you guys have a great rest of your day. 01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:28.880 Thanks for upholding the Creston vibes down there. 01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:29.520 You're awesome. 01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:30.159 We appreciate that. 01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:31.039 We appreciate it. 01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:32.479 It's nice to meet you guys. 01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:33.279 It really is. 01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:34.800 It's nice to see your faces. 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:39.680 I haven't really met you guys personally yet, but I've spoken with you a little bit email. 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:44.159 So hopefully we get together here soon over in Nelson or something. 01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:45.119 I hope so. 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.119 Pam will recognize it. 01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:48.239 Bye guys. 01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:50.399 Thanks for coming out. 01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:54.319 Hey, welcome, Dom. 01:15:57.920 --> 01:15:58.800 You're muted. 01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:00.720 Dom, can't hear you, bud. 01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:03.119 Oh, sorry. 01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:04.560 Hey Marcus, good to see you. 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:06.720 I woke up uh actually very recently. 01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:17.439 Um I uh Pam Pam will be very upset uh that I've I've messed up my uh morning uh getting up early that I have going on for so many years. 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:23.600 Um she was a bit of a health coach for me uh a while back in Seattle. 01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:26.560 Yep, yep, yep. 01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:34.000 Uh so uh this is fairly recent and is related to maybe taking my mushroom gummies a little too late at night. 01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:41.279 Uh so micro gummies, um that aren't really that micro, really, but uh they're not macro. 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.760 But uh anyway, sorry about that. 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:48.479 Uh Mike, it's really good to see you too, man. 01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:54.720 Um so I'm I'm kind of joining a little bit discombobulated at the moment, uh having just woken up. 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:56.159 So well, this perfect. 01:16:56.239 --> 01:17:01.680 We're talking about the Kootenies, and uh, we're all also discombobulated, even though I've been up for hours. 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:07.039 I've been chain smoking uh dabs of full mount, six star, bubble up, bubble hash. 01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:10.319 Oh, the little violin just plays so hard for you. 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:11.920 I'm discombobulated. 01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:14.479 I know, Marcus. 01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:17.840 I love having Dominic here for those who aren't aware. 01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:27.600 Dominic is probably one of the preeminent researchers in the um history of cannabis here, at least in California. 01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:35.439 Uh, he's been documenting along with Caleb um the oral histories of which uh I participated in and others. 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:46.720 Um, but he's doing some amazing work scientifically, sociologically, documenting a lot of that shit that we've been telling you over the past decade and stories. 01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:50.720 Well, he's actually documenting that and try chasing around. 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:55.680 And I I'm just doing an introduction for you, Don, because I love you and I'm happy to hear to see you. 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:58.960 But I know Marcus probably has one of hijacked the show. 01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:04.079 But Marcus, so did you have a proper introduction for Dom that I I'm not I'm fucking up on? 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:09.119 No, you didn't that isn't I thought you I thought you did great, man. 01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:15.600 I mean, Don's been on the show before, and him and Caleb work together, and uh yeah, no, we're stoked to have you. 01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:25.359 I think uh because there, you know, this woman Tracy, who's also sort of just putting this different thing together in the Kootenies, Pam could explain it much better. 01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:36.720 You probably maybe have even spoken to her about it, but uh, this show is really about that, and I thought that you know you and Caleb would uh would fit into the conversation well as well, which he is just coming back into, right? 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:39.600 Welcome back, Caleb. 01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:47.600 I'd love to love to hear more uh uh about it for sure. 01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.159 And and um so yeah, let me catch you up. 01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:59.199 It's a three-year grant-funded project that is that founded by or started by this grant or researcher up here, Tracy Harvey, Dr. 01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:00.479 Tracy Harvey. 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.760 And she has quite a body of work already. 01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:12.640 She's done her dissertation on the legal um implications of legalization and just cannabis in this region. 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:21.199 So I'm gonna send all that to you actually, because I never even thought about putting you two brains together, and those are two brains that probably should mean. 01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:33.520 Um, because yeah, she is quite the researcher and like trying to break down the stigma around cannabis as well as part of it, being like these aren't a bunch of violent offenders, they're peaceful, loving people. 01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:37.680 And um, so yeah, it's quite interesting. 01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:55.119 And then the project that we're doing is like lifting the licensed growers that are currently licensed and trying really hard and bringing on the new ones that are trying to come into the legal industry, um, trying to lift them and give them a space to come into like the market. 01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:58.560 So that's definitely one of the bigger challenges. 01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:17.600 And also that's part of the story is how many people weren't able to come into the legal market because of all sorts of reasons, whether it's like regulations or they weren't able to get a security clearance or um they were tied to um affiliated with you know undesirables. 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:24.000 So it's yeah, there's a lot of like things I think would be uh you'd be super interested in. 01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:25.760 Oh, but even Rose showed up. 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:26.239 Yeah. 01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:29.760 Uh yeah, tell me what you think, Donald Trump. 01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:32.000 There's a baby either. 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:35.600 Uh well, I I I think that's fascinating. 01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:42.640 I think that's um it is interesting that like, you know, the the well the Canadian context is different, isn't it? 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:50.239 Um that there are I think that that's more what I'm I would be curious about, you know, than than uh what's the same, right? 01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:56.079 Because what you're touching on are you know themes of you know alienation from a cultural market and and so forth, right? 01:20:56.640 --> 01:21:06.000 That uh um you know I'd I'd love to hear about you know their plants and how their plants may or may not be able to get into the system. 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:10.239 I mean uh uh there's just a lot of themes that I think would be really great. 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:12.319 So thank you for putting us in touch for sure. 01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:25.199 Uh uh Caleb and I are on a um uh we're in the kind of thickets of uh cleaning up transcripts and getting back to people right now. 01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:29.039 Uh so I would love to have the conversation though. 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:33.359 Uh and I'm sure we could arrange with um one way or the other. 01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:37.119 But I I I would love to learn from what what you guys are doing up there. 01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:41.840 Uh you say you're you're you're trying to help small producers get into the market. 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:45.600 What does that mean in the federal context that Canada has? 01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:57.279 So obviously, the when you look at the evolution of the market, there's going to be the people that are able to raise money, big companies are generally fastest to market. 01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:06.880 They're they're also the ones that far you know, the big companies that I've consulted or worked with are also able to penetrate multiple markets the fastest. 01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:15.760 But for the vast majority of small farmers, you know, they're they've got a lot of work and not a lot of hands to help them. 01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:30.479 So being able to work collaboratively with other licenses is critical when you're when you're a small farm, which many of the farms in the Kootenis, you know, peak peak prohibition, there's about 20,000 farms. 01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:38.239 Uh after over the last decade, that kind of got whittled down to a couple thousand after 9-11 and the borders cracked down. 01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:46.399 As as the states started passing legalization, there was less incentive, financial incentive smuggled across the border. 01:22:46.720 --> 01:23:04.079 Um, and that the Canadian market kind of transitioned to more of a domestic medical market, and then as the US markets took off, and then I think what everyone across the North America is seeing is as as that market kind of crashed, it led to a bunch of uncertainty. 01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:11.600 Um, but now the governments are stepping in, regulating it in different manners. 01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:14.399 Um better, some worse. 01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:20.319 You know, the Canadian, yeah, the first iteration of the Canadian medical licenses were fairly restrictive. 01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:39.359 The first iteration of the kit Canadian recreational licenses were fairly restrictive, but since then the Canadian government and the provincial governments have come out and done a few things that make it a little bit easier to do business as a what's called a micro license, uh sub subacre size farms. 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:48.560 Um and they've I think in the last year they've increased the canopy size from 200 square meters to 800 square meters. 01:23:50.399 --> 01:24:13.600 So that you know, farms that can essentially grow outdoor or indoor, uh, but micros as opposed to full licensed producers, LPs, they don't have to have as much of the uh high-intensity security vaults, uh on-site on-site security, on-site uh cameras covering every square foot, that sort of thing. 01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:18.960 Can they distribute through the mail like the Canadian um government can? 01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:21.840 So the government can distribute through the mail. 01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:26.079 The only way a microproducer, I'd I'd call this a loophole. 01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:35.039 Microproducers, the one advantage a micro can has that LPs here in BC do not have is they can set up a farm gate retail store. 01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:49.359 If you have a farmgate retail store, you can set write an SOP that allows you to send through Canada Post with a 19 plus signature signatory so the customer could then go pick it up at their local um post office. 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:51.760 They would just have to show ID to the post office. 01:24:52.319 --> 01:25:04.079 Um but Canada has a provincial tax stamp, so you can only sell that product and ship it to Canadi to BC provincial customers. 01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:18.319 If you're a medical patient, you can we uh a couple of licenses I've worked with have you know serviced medical patients, and anybody in the in the country can sign up, submit the paperwork, and then we can mail it direct to their home. 01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:20.079 Uh which is nice. 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:24.319 That's way better than you know anything I saw down in the US markets. 01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:28.720 Than anything really besides the actual farmers market that people could walk up to. 01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:29.359 Yeah. 01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:37.840 Well, that's it's hard to beat those farmers markets because you can go up, look at the flowers, smell the flowers, hopefully see analytics on them. 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:40.800 Meet the farmer, meet the farmer, get to know them. 01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:44.399 You know, that's something that you know few few things. 01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:47.920 Washington had farmers markets where it was a regular occurrence. 01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:53.680 California has had things events like the Emerald Cup, Golden Tarp. 01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:56.239 If I don't think that's going on anymore. 01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:14.960 No, it's not but the you know, being able to get there, you can talk to the farmers and see how they're growing it, see if that kind of aligns with your values, and then um, you know, find farmers that are growing strains and turp have those terpene profiles that that you desire, right? 01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:30.319 Um here in Canada, you know, it's much like the a regulated system where everything has to be sold pre-packaged, but they are go the government is allowing people to have smell jars at your dispensary. 01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:33.680 So it you know I haven't seen it yet. 01:26:33.840 --> 01:27:03.680 I think there are there is one or two farm gates um in Canada where you know you have a micro, you have a f a retail store, um and you can essentially go take a tour, not within the secured area, but maybe take a walk around the fence, look at the flowers, see plants growing, to take a smell of them, and then go to the farm gate and purchase the products, or have the products shipped to you if you live within the province. 01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:08.560 You just need seven grand a year to pay for the licensing fee. 01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:10.239 Not a big deal. 01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:10.960 You know. 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:16.880 Yeah, the the other thing that um Mike he did an amazing job explaining it. 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:24.720 Um, one thing that everybody needs to understand out there is that Health Canada is what is our governing body. 01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:29.279 When we talk about government, this is not like the government. 01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:40.720 Health Canada rules over all of our pharmaceuticals, health, pharmaceuticals, anything that goes on with um herbal uh supplements. 01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:55.600 I could go on and on, but basically another massive wipeout that just happened two years ago was that Health Canada got funded by the government of Canada to be the judge, the jury, the cops, the police, everything. 01:27:55.760 --> 01:28:17.359 And they actually went door to door with a Tremendous amount of money that was funded to them by the government and went to every single licensed facility, as well as facilities that had previously been licensed, and they did a big washout, basically, of a tremendous amount of licenses. 01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:35.359 So this idea of medical and compassionate care in Canada, you know, is very much so a ruse in that Health Canada has the word health in it, which I would really um anyway. 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:36.880 I have a lot of things. 01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:48.800 There's a lot of things that they they need to open it back up where anybody can just, if you if you want to grow four plants, then you can grow a couple, you know, a couple of plants with I I think it should be a dozen. 01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:53.439 Um, but if if you want to grow a couple of plants without a license, great. 01:28:53.680 --> 01:29:00.479 If you know I as a medical patient want to grow a dozen or fifty or a hundred, then you just have to register it. 01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:02.960 Like they need to open that back up. 01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:29.279 And then also one of the major issues here is that the the same governing body that is making up all the rules and regulations for the medical and giving licenses for the medical is also the same exact governing body that's coming up with all of the federal licenses and all of the federal governing body information and rules and regulations. 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:35.119 So for me, that's an incredible um dichotomy that should not be happening. 01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:40.800 You know, uh one is about compassionate care and the other one is about making billions of dollars. 01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:43.760 And unfortunately, it's that same governing body. 01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:50.319 This I feel like is one of the major issues in Canada. 01:29:50.720 --> 01:30:11.920 Why so many licensed farmers are not making the money that they should be, as well as being able to get out uh information about their strains, about how cannabis can be good for you, all of this kind of stuff is in this quagmire of compassionate care and making millions of dollars. 01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:29.600 So I really feel like the growers, the buyers, um, the dispensaries, everybody is under sort of this guise of almost like a cat batting around a ball of twine. 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:33.039 And then we've got to sort of look at it and try to unwind it. 01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.720 And yet it just keeps being batted around by Health Canada. 01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:39.119 Um, there are a lot of things that are going forward. 01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:42.319 Mike has explained like major changes that have happened. 01:30:42.720 --> 01:30:43.600 Just this last year. 01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:48.319 So this is the first year that Microsoft able to do that, which they can do now. 01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:59.199 And a lot of the changes have been happening because of the push of these amazing people and the Kootenis um just keep, you know, wanting to talk to Health Canada, making them accountable, making the government accountable. 01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:01.119 Hey, this law doesn't make any sense. 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:03.840 These rules and regulations don't make any sense. 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:24.560 And I really feel like um a lot of the Kooteny people that are still around today, that are still holding licenses, that are still sort of waving the flag for cannabis are truly the heroes in this story because they continue to knock at the door of Health Canada and they haven't given up. 01:31:25.039 --> 01:31:29.680 And I just feel like some things have got to change and little by little they're changing. 01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:35.600 But unfortunately, those changes have to happen from the growers, from the dispensary owners. 01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:42.319 And we are working so hard, even just trying to choose our own varietals and do our breeding. 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:54.239 And like all of a sudden, the farmers now are becoming, you know, lawmakers, and we're becoming um, you know, writing all of these different grants and and decks and things. 01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:55.600 We just want to grow. 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:59.279 We just want to do what it is that we know how best to do. 01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:04.960 But here we are with this twine um and the cat being Health Canada. 01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:07.119 So that's sort of the other side of it. 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:09.039 You guys have a license to grow, correct? 01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:09.600 Medical. 01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:10.399 Oh, yeah. 01:32:10.479 --> 01:32:11.840 Yep, we have a license to grow. 01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:13.920 We wanted to work for license growing. 01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:17.439 Like, is it an MMAR or an ACMPR? 01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:20.159 Oh, it started as ACMPR. 01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:21.920 And then now it's MMR. 01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:28.159 The ACMPR, um the MMR was the MMAR was the one they buried in the other way around. 01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:30.800 The MMR is buried, it's totally done. 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:43.039 The AC ACMPR, um, you know, and because we have an ACMPR license, we had Health Canada um knocking at our door with RCMP. 01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:47.359 So you ask them, hey, why are you all coming with RCMP? 01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:49.359 And they say for our protection. 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:57.039 And then my next question is, has there ever been any type of an issue with any Health Canada regulators? 01:32:57.199 --> 01:32:58.399 The answer is no. 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:11.039 So the presence they bring to your medical facility, and so many people are utilizing this as a lot of a life end uh medication. 01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:22.079 So they're coming with three RCMP officers, two RCMP um cars, and then two inspectors from Health Canada. 01:33:22.399 --> 01:33:26.960 And that makes people not really want to get a license. 01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:29.279 And they know that. 01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:36.159 So I've had mine for 12 years and never ever had an issue with it. 01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:37.279 Yeah. 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:37.760 Yeah. 01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:40.159 Is yours medical or rec, though? 01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:41.920 Mine's an MMAR. 01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:43.199 It's the it's medical. 01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:50.000 And when when Conroy told me that they were doing ACM PR, he said if you just don't sign up with that, yours is grandfathered in. 01:33:50.079 --> 01:33:51.039 It's not going anywhere. 01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:53.520 But if you move, you won't be able to bring it with you. 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:55.439 It's to the it's to the address. 01:33:55.680 --> 01:34:02.880 So I just kept you know that you know that the MMAR isn't is no longer um as of like a year and a half ago. 01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:03.439 Yeah. 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:04.640 Um, yeah, yeah. 01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:14.560 But you can still get new licenses, just not as but it can still probably be held up in court, and you know, it it was the true compassionate law and the true compassionate law. 01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:18.880 But but here's here's the thing about that license, and we all cannot deny this. 01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:26.560 And I was pissed off about it while it was happening, but at the same time, I was like, I couldn't help but like like it was it okay. 01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:34.479 On one side of the blade, it was protecting my friends from prohibition, but on the other side of the blade, it was undermining patients. 01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:43.920 Like 90% of patients were not happy, they weren't getting deliveries, they weren't getting what they asked for, they get the smalls, everything was tons of stuff was being sold and gone to the black market. 01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:49.600 I felt like I was the only person who had an MMAR license and didn't sell my crop, truly. 01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:55.359 Like there were so many people with those licenses just pumping weed into the black market. 01:34:55.520 --> 01:35:03.039 It dropped the price of weed before there was legal dispensaries and and and what we have now. 01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:07.760 The MMAR was definitely, and and I'm also not judging and saying it was bad. 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:18.800 Although now in hindsight, I can look back and say, yeah, it wasn't that good for patients because it never is when you undermine them, use them as a shield to grow a bunch of weed you're selling into the black market. 01:35:19.039 --> 01:35:26.880 So many fucking people, so many fucking people did that that uh that undermined the license probably more than anything. 01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:29.039 Yeah, I totally hear that. 01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:32.800 And I do think that the undermining and the license happened at that time. 01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:55.359 But also there's another side of the coin is as the undermining of the licensing was happening, there was a tremendous amount of dispensaries that were open and totally accessible to patients to be able to have conversations about what they were growing, what was in there, what's gonna, what is it gonna make you feel like, and the gamut. 01:35:55.840 --> 01:36:23.600 So we can say we can say that a lot of uh, you know, maybe direct consumers and medical patients weren't necessarily getting the good quality or people weren't necessarily upkeeping with that, which is not, but it was allocating an incredible heyday for the consumer at that time where they could almost get anything that they wanted and feel safe about it. 01:36:23.920 --> 01:36:28.159 So there's there's always like two sides as things shift and change. 01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:30.079 And I do agree with you, Marcus, 100%. 01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:46.239 You know, we really saw that go down and we still uphold we give away a tremendous amount of of product to our patients, to people that we work with, and we always have. 01:36:46.479 --> 01:36:56.560 And we actually, I have heard, are the only farm or group that ever got an apology letter from Health Canada. 01:36:57.119 --> 01:37:09.359 So we got a booklet in the mail that was about this thick with all of our pictures on it, me and Josh speaking at events all over the world. 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:23.920 It was a total AI wash of our person, of pictures of us, what we have done in the world, saying, We got you, you're doing all of these things out there in the world and you're selling illegally. 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:32.720 And we just got a lawyer and said, you know, we're gonna have to fight this because if we don't fight this, then they can bully every other person. 01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:47.359 Um, and and and we're actually able to do the the fight, you know, and we did get an apology letter back from them saying, I'm sorry, that was a terrible misrepresentation. 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:53.600 It definitely seems like we went above and beyond uh, you know, the allegations. 01:37:53.760 --> 01:38:10.399 Um, I could go on and on, but I just feel like, you know, again, here's Health Canada being the license giver, being uh the rules and regulations maker, they're the jury, they're the judges, and they're the cops. 01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:11.680 Just to add one more thing. 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:21.600 That those same patients that weren't getting enough from their provider, they also lost a lot of access, like what you're saying, a lot of access to certain products in the dispensary. 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:24.880 So, like it's it's let's just make it work for everyone. 01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:31.439 Like, I I want the dispensary to work, I want the licensed farm to work, I you know, like it let's make it work, you know. 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:36.239 And the farmers shouldn't have to be working so hard to try to get a product out there. 01:38:36.399 --> 01:38:43.920 I know the only thing that I would say as well is back then during those dispensaries, like they weren't all testing their materials. 01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:52.159 And even recently, at and and so when you say like they were getting everything safely, I would have to throw a wrench in that and say, probably not. 01:38:52.319 --> 01:39:02.399 And the reason I say that is recently at the Hetty Happenings, uh, they announced that six or seven of the 22 or 23 people, and I could be getting these numbers wrong, but it was a fairly high number. 01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:08.000 It was at least six people that got caught with myclobutanol sprayed on their solventless product. 01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:09.520 These are solventless extractors. 01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:15.680 Okay, these aren't like dudes with PVC pipes like jamming moldy trimming and just blasting or whatever. 01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:30.800 This these are legitimate like people who come across as like I'm a conscious uh you know producer of cannabis extracts, and so I just think like humans always have to be to some degree, certainly not over the top. 01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:48.239 Like, I would love for the majority of the regulations to go bye-bye, but we need to keep some of them for certain because if you don't hold certain people's feet to the fire, like it is real, like I and I've told this story before with like awesome people I know in Jamaica, they are good people. 01:39:48.800 --> 01:40:04.159 And I go, I'd go to their grow, and I would right away, because I learned this very early on, to do a very like far perimeter of the grow to look for these bottles of this pesticide or fungicide, and so many times I would find it. 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:06.399 And then they'd just be like, you don't understand. 01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:07.920 Like, I have these caterpillars. 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:09.279 If I don't kill them, I'm done. 01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:10.720 Like this whole crop's gone. 01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:12.960 I'll have no money for the next like three months. 01:40:13.039 --> 01:40:14.960 Like, it's a big fucking deal. 01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:21.119 It's not just like some like, oh, I'm a I'm you know, I'm gonna do the right thing all the time. 01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:26.560 Well, how is it when the right thing is to not put food on your on your family's table? 01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:44.479 And that's where sort of a regulation, regulatory framework, certainly not the you know, the ridiculousness that it is, even though I will say the ridiculous that it is right now is so much better than what it was because I am personally sick of was sick of worrying about the police and being arrested. 01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:48.239 I haven't had that feeling since uh 2014 or 2012. 01:40:48.319 --> 01:41:03.119 And I will say this if you do look up the MMAR, if you had a valid MMAR for anyone listening before the cutoff, which was March 21st, 2014, you are part of what's called the Allard Junction Group. 01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:08.159 And uh what you were allowed to do is keep growing under your MMAR. 01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:15.279 Uh, it's often referred to as being grandfathered, but it's not because MMAR is still active, it's because a court ordered protection. 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:22.479 So the MMAR program itself was repealed and replaced first by MMPR and then ACMPR. 01:41:22.720 --> 01:41:25.520 But uh so that is still actually happening. 01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:26.880 So good for me. 01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:30.159 I better plant 100 plants this May on my deck. 01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:42.560 And you know, Marcus, the funny thing that you just said is that, you know, the ganja growers uh need to do anything because if they lose a crop, you know, they're not going to be able to put food on their table. 01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:51.520 But the ironic thing that you just said is that the food that they're putting on their table is also full of pesticides and tons of different chemicals. 01:41:51.680 --> 01:41:57.119 So the interesting thing is that we're not holding our food growers accountable. 01:41:57.680 --> 01:42:06.399 We're not holding producers of really agriculture in general accountable, but yet we're wanting to be more accountable as a culture. 01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:08.399 I mean, that really says a lot about us. 01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:09.359 Well, I mean, look at that. 01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:12.479 Look at this. 01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:13.359 Let's make it hard. 01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:15.279 This is another hard truth. 01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:22.000 Probably a billion people or more are alive on this planet only because of synthetic nitrates. 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:23.760 Try to wrap your head around that. 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:25.199 But are they healthy? 01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:26.399 But they're alive. 01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:28.880 I'm just saying, which should we would they rather be dead? 01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:29.439 I don't know. 01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:30.640 Would they rather be healthy? 01:42:30.800 --> 01:42:31.199 Of course. 01:42:31.279 --> 01:42:31.840 I'm not sure. 01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:36.960 Yeah, but if we didn't have synthetic nitrates, we would be working with something else, and all those people would be alive. 01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:40.159 Maybe it's like maybe, but that's not how it happened. 01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:50.159 And I always think um Listen, guys, I'm I'm very grateful for the food green revolution and being able to feed billions of people in the world. 01:42:50.399 --> 01:43:00.479 I look forward to the world being able to feed trillions of people as we as humans colonize the other planet, and many of the technologies that are developed in the cannabis space will hopefully do that. 01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:08.720 Well, being having a high-value crop, we get to be able to play with technologies that then get translated out to other realms. 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:20.000 So one of the things that I'm super proud about the cannabis industry of is bringing microbes and bacteria and soil biology back to many of those big agricultural farms. 01:43:20.239 --> 01:43:32.159 But on the same hand, many of those big agricultural farms also still have to supplement their nutrients, whether it be soil or media, whether it be combine harvested or hand harvested. 01:43:32.239 --> 01:43:41.760 You know, but what we're going to see is you know in when people cut corners, they're going to see a lower commodified price on their products. 01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:51.199 When people spend the time and money to grow those premium products in premium regions, they're going to be able to command a premium price in the commodified market. 01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:56.960 You know, some of the biggest grows in Canada are located here in the Kootenis. 01:43:57.439 --> 01:44:04.560 And they're able to produce extracts for a lower wholesale cost than most of the micros are selling their flour for. 01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:13.760 But the reality is, is most of us on this hash church and most of the viewers don't want to buy distillate, don't want to buy low-end products. 01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:34.079 So those at low-end extracts go get refined and manufactured into a variety of different medical and recreational products, all of which are then tested before going to market, which allows medical products to be available to people around the world at a lower cost than they were in the black market. 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:52.479 So the reality is, is some of those fairly large producers are having to use supplemental fur you know fertilizers to grow their crops because they have to grow outside and they don't have they can't spend the time to to tend the soil, tend the plants, tend the ecology. 01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:56.079 But we can kind of hope that they're, you know, steer them in the right direction. 01:44:56.239 --> 01:45:05.039 And when you're dealing with crops that are going to medical markets, getting exported, a lot of those countries have far stricter pesticide regulations. 01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:31.279 So what we saw in some of the hemp samples that led to some of the licenses being revoked in Washington state was we when hemp started to be grown in what was formerly apple production cut parts of Washington, some of those hemp cultivars and later some of those cannabis cultivars started testing hot for pesticides that had not been legal to be used in over 50 years. 01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:38.399 And cannabis being a bioaccumulator, whether it be hemp or cannabis, was bioaccumulating those pesticides out of the ground. 01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:47.279 And then those pesticides had to be remediated out of those extracts before those act those cannabinoids could then be manufactured or sold. 01:45:47.439 --> 01:46:01.119 But nonetheless, those pesticides were showing up, and in the case of recreational cannabis and medical cannabis in the state of Washington, there was a couple of producers who tested positive for those pesticides and had their licenses revoked. 01:46:01.359 --> 01:46:09.840 The same thing is going to happen in cannabis and hopefully the CBD hemp market in Canada and around the world. 01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:20.800 People that are growing high quality products are going to be able to, you know, in a living soil using terroir to their advantage, are going to be able to produce a better quality product. 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:41.359 But there's also going to be the Budweiser, Cocony, whatever big name beers that where they have to they're growing a very standardized cookie strain with a cookie standardized nutrient so that each crop is you know producing the same Schublato every every single year. 01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:43.119 Ah, the Sherblato. 01:46:43.920 --> 01:46:49.279 And you know, there's going to be a consumer, there's going to be shelf space at at some point in the future. 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:53.199 There will be shelf space in the gas station for those shirblettes. 01:46:53.359 --> 01:47:01.439 And while I may not be the customer for that skew, there will be plenty of consumers that those skews will exist for, right? 01:47:01.840 --> 01:47:14.079 You know, I'm much more of a dry sift smoker, so I'm going to be you know taking my product through either a double hash or dry sift and then you know securing it for a prolonged period of time. 01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:28.319 But at the same same hand, like many of the labs I've worked for wanted to have isolates or extracts because they want to manufacture a standardized edible product and not have variability within the terpenes. 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:41.199 Um other other producers and processors want that variability and want to be able to claim that they're you know live resin or live rosin, you know, contributes to the flavor of those products. 01:47:41.439 --> 01:47:55.439 And if done well, should command a higher product because when when I do the math for the publicly traded companies, the terpenes are worth more per acre than the THC is or CBD at this point. 01:47:55.920 --> 01:48:05.359 The only thing that you know the minor cannabinoids may be worth more than the THC or CBD, but but the terpenes are worth more than the cannabinoids. 01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:08.880 Dude, I got some aged dry sift here for you. 01:48:09.359 --> 01:48:10.560 Yeah, dude. 01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:14.560 This is about eight months old right now. 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:15.680 Eight months? 01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:16.159 Nice. 01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.800 It's very, very, very soft. 01:48:23.359 --> 01:48:29.600 Um, I just wanted to welcome Jeff from Smoker Farms into the room because we haven't heard from him yet. 01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:30.399 Hi, Jeff. 01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:30.880 Yeah. 01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:33.600 Tell tell us about your mythical strains. 01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:34.640 Hello there. 01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:36.239 How are you doing, everybody? 01:48:36.640 --> 01:48:38.800 Sorry, I was I was a little late to the meeting. 01:48:38.880 --> 01:48:41.279 We uh we had a few drinks last night, and I forgot. 01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:43.840 Uh we're gonna need a hey there, hey there. 01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:45.039 Oh, sorry. 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:45.840 Uh let me start over. 01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:47.760 Uh hey there, hey there, everybody. 01:48:48.479 --> 01:48:49.279 There we go. 01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:50.800 Uh well thanks. 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:53.199 Uh thanks for inviting me to this uh forum. 01:48:53.359 --> 01:48:55.119 Uh very happy to be here. 01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:58.720 Uh yeah, I'm a I'm a proud member of the Kootenies. 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:06.479 Uh the West Kootenies is we're they call us boundary country, but I'm pretty steadfast in saying I'm part of the West Kootenies, man. 01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:08.960 Uh it's proud, it's proudly where I am. 01:49:09.039 --> 01:49:10.960 Uh, I've left the Okanagan behind. 01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:15.760 I've been growing in the Kootenis here now for almost 20 years on this property. 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:19.039 So uh yeah, I I I think I found my place here. 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:20.880 But yeah, Master Gashaltra. 01:49:21.039 --> 01:49:24.880 I'm sure you've all heard uh heard me say the name a million times. 01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:28.479 Uh it's my my magical cultiver that I've had. 01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:31.760 Uh talking about the MMR and the ACMPR. 01:49:32.079 --> 01:49:34.000 Yeah, I was I was a part of that too. 01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:37.119 Uh right on this this uh land we live on now, man. 01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:40.159 I was I call it I was hiding behind the license. 01:49:40.239 --> 01:49:43.520 I was part of the ones that was I I took care of my patient. 01:49:43.680 --> 01:49:47.039 My patient didn't only get the smalls, he got the good stuff. 01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:54.640 Uh but uh yeah, I'm happy to not be looking behind my shoulder and my back anymore with the RCMP and all that stuff. 01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:59.760 I never had an on site visit with the RCMP here when I had my MMR uh license. 01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:07.279 But uh again, I'm happy to be uh be a part of uh the legal system now. 01:50:07.520 --> 01:50:09.600 You guys talked about the testing. 01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:11.520 Yeah, testing's pretty important, man. 01:50:11.680 --> 01:50:15.039 Everybody says they don't spray pesticides on their weed back in the day. 01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:16.239 Everybody did, man. 01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:17.119 It was the same thing. 01:50:17.279 --> 01:50:18.159 You gotta make a dollar. 01:50:18.239 --> 01:50:21.039 If you had spider mites, you had to spray your shit, man. 01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:23.840 It was uh it was just the kind of the way it is, man. 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:26.960 So I'm I'm happy that the system has changed. 01:50:27.039 --> 01:50:30.319 I know every time I smoke weed now, it's clean. 01:50:30.479 --> 01:50:38.560 Uh I don't have to worry about ingesting shit into my lungs, even though we for 20 years, whatever, forever, we smoked whatever we did, man. 01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:41.680 Um, but I think the system is is much better now. 01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:43.760 Yeah, Health Canada shouldn't be in it either. 01:50:44.079 --> 01:50:45.439 That's a stupid thing. 01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:48.560 Uh let's hope it gets changed to agriculture one day. 01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:53.680 But for now, I I've been saying, you know, we signed up for this. 01:50:54.079 --> 01:50:59.039 I have to continue with it and and hope to see things get better in the day. 01:50:59.119 --> 01:51:07.039 Uh agriculture would be better if they ran this than Health Canada because Health Canada, they're they're they aren't very bright. 01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:11.359 We've schooled them more than once on licensing and whatnot. 01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:15.760 Uh, from the start of inception of our license, trying to get it till now. 01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:18.319 They they really don't know what the hell they're talking about. 01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:21.840 And uh I've told them this personally too when they come do inspections. 01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:23.680 I let them know the hard facts. 01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:25.359 We're not allowed to smoke our own weed. 01:51:25.439 --> 01:51:27.119 Oh, give me a fucking break, man. 01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:30.000 I tell the guys we're all smoking our weed, man. 01:51:30.159 --> 01:51:34.239 I know we're not legally allowed to, we don't write it down on paper, but come on, man. 01:51:34.399 --> 01:51:35.199 We're all doing it. 01:51:35.359 --> 01:51:37.840 Because that's why we grow weed, to smoke it. 01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:39.439 Obviously. 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:41.199 Exactly. 01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:43.119 Health Canada's not very smart. 01:51:43.359 --> 01:51:46.000 Yeah, they should I think they should regulate processors. 01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:48.640 Like the ag is ag. 01:51:49.199 --> 01:51:51.840 So if you're cultivating, it's ag, right? 01:51:52.079 --> 01:51:58.000 If if if you're if you are producing a medical product, then yeah, Health Canada should have some level of regulations. 01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:13.119 I I think Health Canada is in charge of who regulates you know breweries or or any other food processor, but it like put if we're calling it a food product, a recreational product, then it should be regulated like food is. 01:52:13.439 --> 01:52:28.960 If it's regulated like if we're if it's treated like medicine, then there should be a slightly heavier stringency, but uh you know, recreational products and shouldn't be regulated by the pharmaceutical regulators. 01:52:29.439 --> 01:52:34.000 Like what what ends up happening is it makes it harder to bring products to market. 01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:55.600 And then you have the quagmire where provincial governments were originally in charge of sales for many of the states, so you have essentially monopolies on distribution that you you gotta convince the the producer that you're to carry your product, but you can't make medical claim because you haven't done the research, you haven't paid for the research to be done yet. 01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:57.760 It's all just antidotal. 01:52:58.319 --> 01:53:29.600 So you know here in Canada, we actually can get some we can do the research at the universities to start making those medical claims, but you know, when you look at many those medical claims down in the states for pharmaceutical products, they've those companies have existed for decades, done the research, they're now entrenched in that old school system where they require those multi-phase, including a double blind trial, before you actually make the claim. 01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:50.880 So here in the regulated space, you have to jump through those same hoops, but it you know, hopefully, as the industry is regulated, as there's more demand, more consumers for those different products, we're gonna start to see both the pharma companies as well as independent companies start doing their own research. 01:53:51.119 --> 01:54:00.560 Um, and through groups like Selkirk, groups like Dominic's down down at Humboldt at Caltech now, or Humboldt. 01:54:01.279 --> 01:54:13.520 Um, that Humboldt Yeah, that they're able to do the research because you know when I was in college I tried to do the research and the university flat out said no. 01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:20.079 So then we sued the university to be able to start a normal chapter and just so we could have educational seminars. 01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:30.079 But they they told us frankly that the likelihood of us getting NIDA approval to do any research other than drug abuse research was nil to zero. 01:54:30.960 --> 01:54:33.359 So now we can actually do the research. 01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:43.920 We're gonna start to see that research being done at the various universities, Selkirk, uh University of Guelph, um, and a couple of universities down in the states. 01:54:44.560 --> 01:55:04.960 Um and as we start to see cannabinoids correlating to different medical conditions or tur terpene profiles or formulations, um, people will actually start being able to take those what we see in the in the industry and are able to correlate as anecdotal evidence. 01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:18.479 And you know, as the US federal law changes, you'll see people you likely you will likely see pharmaceutical companies investing millions, if not billions, of dollars to be able to make claims, medical claims. 01:55:18.880 --> 01:55:30.159 But it takes it takes that regulatory shift, and it takes that greet the greed of those corporations to fund the research that needs to be done at various universities. 01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:34.640 No, just to be clear, like uh we are not funded by any corporations. 01:55:34.720 --> 01:55:36.960 Uh we are funded by the Department of Cannabis Control. 01:55:37.199 --> 01:55:38.640 Yeah, neither is Selkirk. 01:55:38.720 --> 01:55:40.079 They're grant funded. 01:55:40.399 --> 01:55:41.600 Grant funded, yeah. 01:55:42.159 --> 01:56:01.760 So they I think that while we all hope to see more of that research being done, I don't think a lot of people fully understand how expensive it is to take a herbal supplement and take it to a a pharmaceutical grade. 01:56:02.399 --> 01:56:17.119 Um because you know, unfortunately, the entrenched legal system requires many of those pharmaceutical drugs to be you know, each molecule, you each API has to go through a series of risk assessments. 01:56:17.359 --> 01:56:31.920 So it incentivizes many of those pharma companies to go to a single compound, and then it's up to the doctors to formulate you know which APIs in which totage is your medical uh prescription. 01:56:32.079 --> 01:57:13.840 Now every I think most of us on everyone here on the panel is gonna agree that full spectrum herbal supplements are gonna be healthier than monomolecular pharmaceutical form formats, but we need to be able to have both, you know, the monomolecular to do the research, produce in a fairly sterile environment, same um, but also having different grades of you know herbal supplements, medical supplements, medical products, recreational products, or pharmaceutical products, and those various different grades having different tools and uses. 01:57:38.399 --> 01:57:41.680 They want to see it in a pill, they don't want to see it in a flower. 01:57:42.720 --> 01:57:55.680 So you know, one of the one of the ways that possibly I could see I I got a glimpse of this some years back when I was very much of this just kind of like, oh, like how I saw the legal system. 01:57:55.840 --> 01:58:06.319 I wasn't as worried about the system itself, but those who ran the system, and those people seemed to come from like alcohol and like all these other sources that weren't cannabis at all. 01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:09.439 And it kind of almost seemed like they were the anti-cannabis people. 01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:14.880 Like it was like, you know, like, oh, we're looking for people to, you know, kind of overlook gay marriage. 01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:21.520 Let's let's hire the most homophobic people that know nothing about uh uh you know this particular subject. 01:58:21.680 --> 01:58:40.479 That's kind of what they seem to have done with cannabis, and I was feeling it not only on the level of government, but even in the level of like um provincial, the provinces buying all the material and having to buy, you know, send your material from your facility to these provinces that then send them out to the stores as they ordered it. 01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:46.880 Even the people in those positions, until I met a guy in Manitoba, and I've told the story before about him, and I wish I remembered his name. 01:58:46.960 --> 01:58:49.600 He's such a cool guy, very straight-looking guy. 01:58:49.760 --> 01:58:52.239 And he's like, Oh, you should come to my house while you're in Manitoba. 01:58:52.319 --> 01:58:53.279 And he was responsible. 01:58:53.359 --> 01:58:57.760 I think he's now responsible for the buying in Manitoba for the whole province. 01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:04.560 And this dude, his whole house was completely and and entirely cannabis, uh, a cannabis house. 01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:09.199 He had a room for pressing rosin, he had tents going in like three different rooms. 01:59:09.359 --> 01:59:17.840 He was making bubble hash in this room, the kitchen with the water bottles and the he literally was 3D printing tags for his for his clones. 01:59:18.159 --> 01:59:20.159 Like he had a little 3D printer set up. 01:59:20.319 --> 01:59:24.560 I was like, bongs like everywhere and smoke stations everywhere. 01:59:24.720 --> 01:59:29.279 I was like, oh my God, like this is like I was like, holy shit, like this is what's gonna happen. 01:59:29.439 --> 01:59:44.560 And maybe this is what's gonna happen in Health Canada, especially as cannabis products slowly start to push alcohol sales down and become a more normalized product to be like, hey, I want to try some of this Kooteny product, you know? 01:59:44.640 --> 02:00:06.159 And now all of a sudden a wider graft of people are smoking cannabis, it makes sense that maybe those people will get jobs eventually at Health Canada and be a part of this regulatory framework where if enough of them got into place, they could say, this seems more like an agricultural issue than uh what we're doing here. 02:00:06.319 --> 02:00:11.840 You know, I I don't pretend I guess I'm utopian in my thinking, but it would be nice for it to change. 02:00:12.319 --> 02:00:17.439 I get to meet people that are growing their first plants almost every day or every week. 02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:19.039 So that's awesome. 02:00:19.680 --> 02:00:22.000 There's new consumers every day. 02:00:22.319 --> 02:00:31.840 And you know, just like there's new regulations every day, we need to be able to, you know, foster a culture where we're educating people. 02:00:32.479 --> 02:00:42.159 And you even if the government says that we're we have to be limited on what what we tell them, we can still push them in the right direction towards the research. 02:00:42.479 --> 02:01:12.239 So I think that you know the over-regulation necessitates the research to be done at the various universities because while I can stand on the rooftops and shout how these XYZ cannabinoid helped me with my medical conditions, being able to say that you know day peer rev peer-reviewed double-blind placebo trial showed that this cures these medical conditions is going to silence any naysayer in the political sphere. 02:01:13.439 --> 02:01:18.399 And I think that that that's what we're gonna start to see in the in the regulated space as well. 02:01:18.560 --> 02:01:32.720 You know, I can grow cannabis around the world, but there's only a few places in the world that we can grow really high-end sati really high-end hash making strains, really high-end indicas that have those unique terpene profiles. 02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:43.840 And you know, in order to produce those terpene profiles that then are you know produced and manufactured in the various products, you gotta find where those terpene profiles can be produced. 02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:53.920 And just just like wine and grapes, hops, etc., or you know, there's going to be different regions that are capable of producing different profiles. 02:01:54.960 --> 02:02:10.000 Um I've spent the better part of 15-20 years trying to find those various regions that are producing the best, you know, kind of pinene-dominant terpene profiles for me, and this kind of seems to be my one of my favorite places. 02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:22.319 So I want to jump in for a quick sec and just uh while we're still a little bit on the same subject, talk about um add a little more to the conversation around biological and synthetic. 02:02:23.279 --> 02:02:31.520 My old man, he grew amazing outdoor, put a fish in the bottom of a four-foot hole, and mixes manures and all of his thing, and it was awesome. 02:02:31.600 --> 02:02:34.880 But indoors, general hydroponic rock well. 02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:40.479 It was just how you grew good weed back then, you know, and it's what people want. 02:02:40.640 --> 02:02:56.640 And you know, over years it's like we got to this sort of stigma that cannabis, and we'd imagine this indoor grow room yet like 13 million years this plant's been here before we got here, and it really evolved to do what it needed to do in a perfect balanced way. 02:02:57.039 --> 02:03:04.960 And so uh it wasn't because um it wasn't because we wanted to grow with general hydroponics, it's because we didn't know any better. 02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:11.760 You know, and Marcus, you touched on Jamaica, and I spent some time there at some weed farms too, and I I realize it's the same thing. 02:03:11.840 --> 02:03:16.079 And it's the same thing with me when I learned when I ran into Josh and Kelly on YouTube. 02:03:16.479 --> 02:03:20.479 Thank you for being such wonderful teachers and past church eventually as well. 02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:23.840 But so you start to understand, well, there is another way. 02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:29.359 This resonates more with me, and you start to dabble in it, and at first I didn't get as much, but it was better. 02:03:29.840 --> 02:03:31.279 Okay, there's really something here. 02:03:31.520 --> 02:03:38.159 Then over time I got more and better, and I felt really good about it and helping the environment, all those things. 02:03:38.239 --> 02:03:40.720 So I think it's just a matter of education. 02:03:41.039 --> 02:03:44.880 We've been a frog boiled in this pot of water for a long time. 02:03:45.039 --> 02:03:51.359 We didn't create synthetic fertilizer, it was handed to us by maybe some groups that didn't have our best interest in mind. 02:03:51.520 --> 02:04:00.000 But the point is it we didn't like choose this, it just sort of evolved, and over time the water got hotter and hotter and hotter, and now we're finding ourselves in boiling water. 02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:04.079 If we turn the burner off, it's gonna take some time to like chill out. 02:04:04.640 --> 02:04:06.640 Just we just can't instantly switch over. 02:04:06.880 --> 02:04:08.159 But I feel like that's what's happening. 02:04:08.239 --> 02:04:17.600 I feel like we're over this hump and like the masses are awakening now to this is actually a better way to go, and it's just gonna some lag time, delay time as it renders into our reality. 02:04:17.680 --> 02:04:22.319 But it gives me a lot of hope for the future, and I don't blame anyone for where they've been. 02:04:22.479 --> 02:04:24.079 I think they just didn't know any better. 02:04:24.159 --> 02:04:32.079 And I'm really excited to contribute in my little way along with some other amazing people on that transition as we turn the temperature back down. 02:04:32.800 --> 02:04:33.039 Yeah. 02:04:33.760 --> 02:04:35.199 Awesome, beautiful words, Che. 02:04:35.600 --> 02:04:36.159 Absolutely. 02:04:36.399 --> 02:04:45.039 I made a mistake, it wasn't one billion people, it was three to four billion people out of the population of Earth right now are alive because of synthetic nitrates. 02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:51.680 Um Haber and Boche, they often called it the invention that feeds the world. 02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:56.000 And um yeah, it'd be great if we came up with a better way. 02:04:56.159 --> 02:04:57.359 That is amazing. 02:04:58.000 --> 02:04:59.359 Talk to Vondana Shiva. 02:04:59.520 --> 02:05:02.640 Let's get Vondana Shiva on here and see what she has to say about it. 02:05:02.720 --> 02:05:19.439 She'll be an authority that we can all like respect and and see, you know, that because their whole entire thing in India is not corporate farming, it's tons of collectives that that provide the food for India and its largest population base on earth. 02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:22.239 So I think there's a good amount for us to learn. 02:05:22.479 --> 02:05:29.680 And uh maybe, you know, maybe we'll just let everyone have their their direction and we'll see which way. 02:05:30.159 --> 02:05:34.880 I just think that it's I think that it's really interesting if we just like break it down, break it down. 02:05:35.279 --> 02:05:45.279 We actually produce from our own body enough nutrients for the soil for all of us to survive. 02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:53.039 A little harsh, a little intense, but it's true, guys. 02:05:53.199 --> 02:05:59.840 You know, one person, one acre, you can, you know, nutrify and close loop system. 02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:03.279 Yeah, and you know, it's like that's where that term came. 02:06:03.359 --> 02:06:42.960 You don't have a pot to piss in, because what it was was that you would pee in a pot outside of your homestead, and then people who were making uh the nutrients would come by, empty your urine into the carts, leave a coin so that you were being paid for your urine, and then all of that urine was being taken to an area, a fermentation process, and basically producing a non-synthetic form of exactly what you're talking about, Marcus, that supposedly is saving, not supposedly is saving or is feeding all of these meeting. 02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:46.640 Is feeding all of these people? 02:06:46.800 --> 02:06:59.199 It's just a really interesting thing, like, oh, okay, well, it's saving all of the people, but maybe it's like we already ha have it like inside of our own body. 02:06:59.279 --> 02:07:04.319 And then how do we can nutrifts soil and and grow our own crops? 02:07:04.479 --> 02:07:06.720 So we've strayed that far. 02:07:07.279 --> 02:07:21.520 Like that we can actually create it ourselves to now it's synthetically being grown in, I believe, like eight or or ten different areas in the whole world and providing it for the entire world. 02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:22.560 It's interesting. 02:07:23.119 --> 02:07:23.760 Interesting to be able to do it. 02:07:25.520 --> 02:07:29.520 But it's also the basis of natural farming and Korean natural farming. 02:07:29.600 --> 02:07:47.039 And then there's also science in there that says when you grow your own food from your own body or medicine that it's genetically affecting the plant, which there's a epigenetics going back and forth on balancing. 02:07:47.199 --> 02:07:49.520 But that, I mean, that's honestly a fantasy world. 02:07:49.600 --> 02:07:52.880 Like we know that, you know, it's but it's achievable. 02:07:52.960 --> 02:07:53.840 And that's what it's fun. 02:07:54.319 --> 02:07:59.760 I'd say it's fun to imagine that magic and then bring it to reality in so many ways. 02:08:00.000 --> 02:08:17.359 Yeah, and I'll just leave it here that Tartari and everybody says there were not any toilets and in all of these ancient old world cities, where were the toilets, but yet on the outskirts of all these star forts are some of the oldest, most beautiful orchards that still have rootstock from who knows when. 02:08:17.520 --> 02:08:18.000 Just saying. 02:08:18.159 --> 02:08:19.199 What did we link it there? 02:08:19.520 --> 02:08:21.840 The invention of a toilet is where we went wrong. 02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:24.319 A toilet and a and a fridge. 02:08:25.279 --> 02:08:27.359 Anyway, we're really going to write. 02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:47.119 Like, I live in the Kootenis, I'm a multi-generational grower, my son, my my kid, then my kid's kid, grandparents. 02:08:47.199 --> 02:08:49.920 Like you're creating this just epic, beautiful thing. 02:08:50.159 --> 02:08:58.319 Sometimes I just think we forget how absolutely lucky we are that it's not like two or three or four hundred years ago. 02:08:58.479 --> 02:09:00.560 Like, I feel like we're in a good time right now. 02:09:00.800 --> 02:09:03.760 Where you're the guy who's actually collecting the piss. 02:09:04.079 --> 02:09:04.399 Yeah. 02:09:04.479 --> 02:09:05.920 I mean, you know, think about it. 02:09:06.079 --> 02:09:11.840 I mean, of course, I'm like painting some like a picture, but like, what's the reality of that too? 02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:12.479 So I agree. 02:09:13.439 --> 02:09:15.920 I guarantee you it was definitely a guy doing it. 02:09:16.960 --> 02:09:17.359 I agree. 02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:21.199 I'm curious about uh like Kay and Kelly. 02:09:21.359 --> 02:09:27.920 Yeah, you guys have had a lot of uh experience in just the extracts and the market, and you know, we're kind of talking about it. 02:09:28.399 --> 02:09:28.880 Crazy amount. 02:09:29.119 --> 02:09:40.720 I'm just curious what some of your reflections are over the years, and and and I know you do make some really beautiful uh extracts as well, and and and different ones for the market. 02:09:40.800 --> 02:09:50.079 And I would love to hear about like that journey a little bit and and what you found that people were more interested in as opposed to what you wanted to you make. 02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:54.720 You wanted to make this, and but the people really want that, or how does that work out for you? 02:09:54.880 --> 02:10:00.800 And and anyone who doesn't know these guys make some of the best extracts, not only but in the world. 02:10:01.119 --> 02:10:02.479 And to smoker farms as well. 02:10:02.800 --> 02:10:07.039 Are you just doing flour or are you doing any extracts for for the market? 02:10:07.920 --> 02:10:21.119 Uh we do uh so all of our waste material, all our trim material, it all goes into our uh honey oil vape uh vape pens, which uh Jay from Gorilla Gardens and Okatokes, Alberta makes for us. 02:10:21.760 --> 02:10:24.079 Um it's a full spectrum. 02:10:24.319 --> 02:10:28.960 It's like weed's supposed to taste like not this blueberry strawberry crap. 02:10:29.520 --> 02:10:37.439 Um I'm definitely not into any flavors of cannabis except the real deal, uh the real deal product, man. 02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:40.399 It is a cold CO2 extraction. 02:10:40.960 --> 02:10:43.840 Um I I don't know a whole lot about extracting. 02:10:44.079 --> 02:11:02.800 I've squished my flowers and stuff, but uh yeah, that's that's our uh that's our bring into the market of uh keep keeping our farm trying to be profitable, I guess I would say, but sustainable, but we know there's there's not much profitability in this market, man. 02:11:02.880 --> 02:11:06.000 It's uh it's a little it's a little messed up, man. 02:11:06.079 --> 02:11:06.640 It really is. 02:11:06.720 --> 02:11:13.279 Uh we're all struggling to keep losing people every day um that are shutting down their farms, man. 02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:14.880 And it sucks, man. 02:11:15.039 --> 02:11:19.439 Uh we just lost uh Bill and Dean and a pure fire in Penticton, man. 02:11:19.520 --> 02:11:21.279 That was a that was a big deal, man. 02:11:21.439 --> 02:11:24.800 Uh we don't know if we're gonna be next to, man. 02:11:24.880 --> 02:11:30.239 Uh a lot of us producers, man, are all struggling to find our way and uh to be heard. 02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:32.960 And hopefully somebody listens one day. 02:11:33.119 --> 02:11:41.840 Uh I'd love to be a lobbyist and kick Health Canada's ass around and kick all these people's asses around, but I'd probably have to be careful. 02:11:41.920 --> 02:11:44.960 We've already been threatened by Health Canada for a lot of stuff we've done. 02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:50.319 Uh I could see them trying to pull my license one day, but there's got to be a voice for us, man. 02:11:50.399 --> 02:11:51.359 There has to be a voice. 02:11:51.680 --> 02:11:59.760 Do you do you guys um because it is difficult to work with Health Canada, but you also have the ability when you do work with Health Canada to do legal exports. 02:12:00.079 --> 02:12:02.960 So do are you guys uh you know looking into that? 02:12:03.119 --> 02:12:08.159 Sort of s sending pro sending product out of country for uh for a like a nicer margin? 02:12:08.720 --> 02:12:12.000 Uh the the margins aren't much nicer, man. 02:12:12.159 --> 02:12:15.680 Uh you know, we we we've been talking about this for years. 02:12:15.920 --> 02:12:20.560 Uh I keep hearing two dollars to two dollars and fifty cents a gram if you're lucky. 02:12:21.039 --> 02:12:24.720 And I've said for years, I'm not gonna turn my back on my my country, man. 02:12:24.880 --> 02:12:31.359 I'm here to grow weed for my country, to help people medically, whatever it may be. 02:12:31.680 --> 02:12:35.680 So turning my back on Canada, it's it's it's kind of a big deal. 02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:37.840 Um and again, it's easier. 02:12:38.000 --> 02:12:41.920 My wife doesn't have to do as much paperwork to get her done. 02:12:42.399 --> 02:12:46.000 I will say we are looking into it a tiny bit, maybe. 02:12:46.159 --> 02:13:00.560 We may send a little bit of product overseas, but well, is it turning your back on Canada if you're able to find another um source of income that allows you to fund making sure you take care of your Canadian customers? 02:13:00.720 --> 02:13:02.399 Because this is how I'm I look at it. 02:13:02.479 --> 02:13:07.760 You know, I started this whole bubble bag thing and I'm doing high quality this, high quality that. 02:13:07.840 --> 02:13:15.600 I became such a ridiculous snob, like just an unfathomably ridiculous, completely irrational. 02:13:15.760 --> 02:13:21.119 And how could you relate to it unless you were smoking nothing but six star bubble all the time? 02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:24.479 And then I realized, I was like, well, that's not the market. 02:13:24.720 --> 02:13:35.199 And I then I realized, holy shit, it's even crazier than that, because the people who do have an interest in six star would almost just on purpose not buy it from a from a dispensary that's in the legal market. 02:13:35.359 --> 02:13:38.960 So you have both of those things working against you simultaneously. 02:13:39.199 --> 02:13:50.560 And I just thought, uh, you know, there's got to be a way that I can create great products that aren't on the level or caliber that I would like to be spending my time doing, but still a very affordable. 02:13:50.720 --> 02:13:53.279 I mean, literally, much like the product I held up earlier. 02:13:53.359 --> 02:13:56.479 This, you know, this ball of hash, I was able to do it with dry sift. 02:13:56.560 --> 02:13:59.039 It's about eight months old now. 02:13:59.199 --> 02:14:04.479 Uh, and this is an affordable product that is really nice smoke, it's comfortable, it's good. 02:14:04.640 --> 02:14:10.239 But to the people who I've been making hash with, they would look at this and go, What are you talking about, dude? 02:14:10.319 --> 02:14:12.479 That is absolute and complete garbage. 02:14:12.640 --> 02:14:16.079 In their defense, it's probably around 35% THC. 02:14:16.239 --> 02:14:23.039 They're used to chain smoking shit that's between 60 and 80 percent, uh, whether full melt bubble or wet wash. 02:14:23.199 --> 02:14:27.359 So I kind of learned, well, what if I can make really beautiful traditional hash? 02:14:27.520 --> 02:14:41.119 Not necessarily, you know, I don't think really beautiful means high THC when it comes to traditional hash, because people who smoke traditional hash and have for decades aren't interested in smoking a 60 plus percent THC. 02:14:41.199 --> 02:14:54.640 Most of them are quite happy with 30 to 35, considering that's even high compared to what the hash was that was coming in from Morocco and Lebanon and Afghanistan uh back in the you know 70s and 80s and early 90s. 02:14:54.800 --> 02:15:06.560 So I don't I don't think it would be turning your back on Canada if you found a source of income that you'd you know that you used sparingly to fund your uh success in Canada. 02:15:06.880 --> 02:15:08.960 Yeah, and I I I do hear what you're saying. 02:15:09.119 --> 02:15:13.920 So yeah, we're we're trying, we're trying to, we're a small farm here, we're not even up to to full size. 02:15:14.000 --> 02:15:17.680 Uh we have power limitations in our rural area here. 02:15:17.920 --> 02:15:23.760 But see, when I say turning my back on Canada, we we've built this brand here in Canada. 02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:26.800 Hey there, hey there, you know, smoker farms, this and that. 02:15:27.439 --> 02:15:35.439 I don't I've worked so hard to create all this and to make sure as many people get our amazing products as they can. 02:15:36.399 --> 02:15:41.840 I I feel the international thing would be I I feel the bottom's gonna drop out of it one day. 02:15:42.319 --> 02:15:44.239 Um you're not running there. 02:15:44.560 --> 02:15:49.840 But but I I love weed so much that I want to share with with my country, man. 02:15:50.399 --> 02:15:54.800 So if I if I if I sell my weed to somewhere else, do I feel like I'm cheating? 02:15:54.880 --> 02:15:55.840 I don't feel like I'm cheating. 02:15:55.920 --> 02:16:06.479 I know I have to do whatever I have to do to keep the doors open and so I can keep continue to do what I what I love is growing weed, but it's a bit of a fine line for me, you know. 02:16:06.880 --> 02:16:09.439 But at the end of the day, it's all about survivability. 02:16:09.680 --> 02:16:10.880 I need to keep growing. 02:16:10.960 --> 02:16:14.720 I don't know how to do anything else as good as I can when it comes to growing. 02:16:14.800 --> 02:16:20.239 So well, don't you think the world deserves the Kootenie uh flower as much as Canada? 02:16:20.640 --> 02:16:22.640 And and I and I and I think that too. 02:16:22.800 --> 02:16:28.239 I know I've got tons of followers in Germany on our on our uh Twitter, Twitter stuff there. 02:16:28.960 --> 02:16:31.119 They want to hay there, hey there too, man. 02:16:31.680 --> 02:16:34.399 Hey there, hey there's everybody in the world, man. 02:16:34.639 --> 02:16:35.680 What about you, Che? 02:16:36.719 --> 02:16:38.959 Yeah, this uh licensed speak loud. 02:16:39.760 --> 02:16:42.479 This licensed market's been a learning curve for sure. 02:16:42.719 --> 02:16:48.639 When we started out, we grew nothing but one strain, 5,000 plants, the same strain, 5,000 kilos wet. 02:16:48.879 --> 02:16:50.799 We're like, you remember that, Marcus? 02:16:50.959 --> 02:16:52.479 I had this extra thousand kilos. 02:16:52.559 --> 02:16:56.079 I couldn't figure out what to do with like what should we do with this, Marcus? 02:16:56.319 --> 02:17:03.280 Well, then um we made 3,000 of our topical and we took it to BCLDB, and they're like, no, actually, we don't like that size. 02:17:03.440 --> 02:17:04.879 Can you make it half that size? 02:17:06.000 --> 02:17:11.360 So it was um it was a really steep learning curve, and it was important to be able to adapt along the way. 02:17:12.239 --> 02:17:22.799 I I share some of what you're saying there, Jeff, about like uh the sentiment like uh selling into our own backyard, and that's always gonna be really close, close to my heart in my own community. 02:17:23.520 --> 02:17:37.600 But as we you know, we moved in some other countries, we're in Australia with a couple of our extracts now, and uh actually looks like we're gonna be one of the first, if not the first, dry flower sun growing into London here in the in the next few weeks coming up. 02:17:38.399 --> 02:17:42.000 And I get this feedback from people, you know, from Australia. 02:17:42.639 --> 02:17:44.719 Oh, we tried you Ros, and it's amazing, we love it. 02:17:44.799 --> 02:17:54.879 It did this to me and I really appreciate And that felt as good as it did from you know, someone that's calling me from buddies in its own way, you know, uh getting the medicine to the people. 02:17:55.440 --> 02:18:01.360 And then I you know, our our business model's actually always been um to help this community. 02:18:01.440 --> 02:18:08.239 We've talked about this before, but when legalization happened, it really hit this community extra hard financially and culturally. 02:18:09.040 --> 02:18:25.200 And um these are the people for the most part that you know, this isn't organized crime, at least I'm seeing, maybe there's some, but what I'm seeing is mom and pops, like myself and my partner, Josh and Kelly, and all and all of us just trying to um be with this plant that we love, that we're passionate about, this medicine. 02:18:25.760 --> 02:18:27.440 And because we know there's nothing wrong with it. 02:18:27.920 --> 02:18:36.399 You know, we know actually what we're doing is a good thing, so even there's this legal part to it, you know, uh being with this medicine was more important to us. 02:18:36.719 --> 02:18:40.479 So we did what we needed to do and risked our necks, and some of us spent some jail time. 02:18:40.639 --> 02:18:43.680 My dad was in jail for two or three times while I was growing up. 02:18:44.000 --> 02:18:52.319 So it was really sad to see this opportunity go elsewhere, you know, especially big corporate cannabis that maybe didn't carry the same sentiment. 02:18:52.719 --> 02:18:56.000 So, really a big part of our plan is to be well, where's the market? 02:18:57.280 --> 02:18:58.319 PC's so small. 02:18:58.719 --> 02:19:03.520 You know, we're selling, you know, maybe a couple kilos of a strain a month would be a really good month. 02:19:03.600 --> 02:19:04.799 That that's that's a lot. 02:19:05.360 --> 02:19:08.639 But in the international market, there's a lot of patients out there too. 02:19:09.280 --> 02:19:19.120 So we always um have focused on getting into more international markets with our brand, but really the producing the biomass from our region, not just our farm. 02:19:19.760 --> 02:19:22.399 We're not gonna expand beyond our farm or regenerative, we can't. 02:19:22.479 --> 02:19:26.559 We have to keep within this certain footprint, or it's not really regenerative anymore. 02:19:26.959 --> 02:19:41.200 But the real way to like help people and our environment and our community is to expand to like multiple sites and have small regenerative farms producing the biomass that goes into a bigger brand and a bigger market, which is that market. 02:19:41.360 --> 02:19:44.879 So that's really the biggest reason we're nipping on these these heels. 02:19:45.440 --> 02:19:46.959 We've had some rose buddies grow for us. 02:19:47.200 --> 02:19:49.440 Product was slow to sell here in the domestic market. 02:19:49.600 --> 02:19:51.920 That's the missing key, is the sales. 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:57.520 And so, you know, I think we're gonna keep knocking on doors and and presenting the cutenies to more and more of the world. 02:19:57.600 --> 02:20:07.120 They already know, but as they actually get our product and see us in the stores, I think it could really help our whole region uh if if we're able to continue down this path. 02:20:08.479 --> 02:20:12.719 And how much are the local like like do you sell a lot of product locally? 02:20:14.239 --> 02:20:17.360 Not really, no, like uh on the bigger scale, right? 02:20:17.680 --> 02:20:27.200 Maybe um you know, say two thousand units in uh in a month or a month and a half would be a pretty good, a pretty good skew. 02:20:30.879 --> 02:20:34.159 There's as many people in Boulder County as there are in all the Kootenis. 02:20:34.399 --> 02:20:37.600 So it's a much yeah, much lower population density. 02:20:38.319 --> 02:20:43.200 So there just in turn is what a half dozen retail shops in the Kootenis. 02:20:43.680 --> 02:20:48.879 So a high population of growers, which people would know, you know, uh in general. 02:20:49.040 --> 02:20:51.840 Just in the but a high percentage of smokers. 02:20:52.479 --> 02:20:54.559 Yeah, smokers, growers, yeah, it's true. 02:20:54.799 --> 02:20:55.360 Yeah, it's true. 02:20:55.600 --> 02:20:56.159 And you know what? 02:20:56.239 --> 02:21:18.239 I just wanted to come off the heels of what you were saying, Chay, is that um, you know, Josh and I are have been going over to Europe pretty much nonstop, trying to find avenues um for our community members here, for Canadians, um, even for we feel really important breeders and product makers down in the States as well. 02:21:18.559 --> 02:21:28.399 And um it's been awesome, you know, finding new avenues, but in the same uh facet, you know, it just takes time. 02:21:28.879 --> 02:21:37.040 And we now um are gonna be making a presence at every one of the conferences um with a really large group of people. 02:21:37.200 --> 02:21:53.360 Marcus, I know you know about this, um, and just trying to bring in Kooteny growers, trying to bring in uh breeders, uh people that are mom and pop, you know, we can't afford to have a presence at some of these really large conferences because it costs so much to have a booth. 02:21:53.600 --> 02:22:14.559 But if we all join together and create a really beautiful, swanky area, then people want to come to us, then they're looking to us for uh that mom and pop, that community, um, the education, because so many of us who are going to be joining in this legacy lounge that we're calling it are people that have been involved in it forever. 02:22:14.879 --> 02:22:24.319 But um it is, it's it's been very, very slow to to start because of the rules and regulations and it's been very intense. 02:22:24.479 --> 02:22:33.120 And I know uh Che, you you guys have been absolutely at it um tirelessly and and maybe tired also. 02:22:33.840 --> 02:22:34.559 Tiredly. 02:22:35.120 --> 02:22:35.840 Tiredly. 02:22:36.479 --> 02:22:48.399 Um so this idea of moving into Europe and creating a whole new brand and comes with all of its rules and regulations as well. 02:22:48.559 --> 02:22:52.000 Not only are we dealing with Health Canada here, but I'll just I'll just leave it there. 02:22:52.319 --> 02:22:56.239 Also, Thailand has really put a damper in Europe. 02:22:57.040 --> 02:22:58.079 And that's just true. 02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:07.680 Like it really is you go to Europe and everyone's talking about Thailand, and you're just like, oh shit, and it's it's a super cheap place to live, you know, live. 02:23:07.840 --> 02:23:10.159 Not it's cheap, but it's just you know what I mean. 02:23:10.239 --> 02:23:11.280 It's uh inexpensive. 02:23:11.440 --> 02:23:15.600 So it's like uh it just changed the dynamics, I feel. 02:23:15.840 --> 02:23:20.319 And there's shipping it legally, you know, to Czech and then Germany or whatever. 02:23:20.399 --> 02:23:36.799 But um and now let's let's be real, Morocco is gonna be and it's making an unbelievable presence in the international community because they have been the culture of hash for a very long time. 02:23:37.040 --> 02:23:41.840 And now they're bringing static sifters out there by the thousands. 02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:49.280 They're now taking a bunch of people's trim that's being grown in Canada or many other countries in the world legally. 02:23:49.440 --> 02:23:51.600 It's all being shipped to Morocco. 02:23:51.760 --> 02:24:03.280 And they're doing some really unbelievable extracts with the world's trim mesh, with the world's you know, extras and trim. 02:24:03.600 --> 02:24:07.440 They they've covered the baseline of bulk hash and stuff. 02:24:07.520 --> 02:24:11.840 It's it's super hard to come to the market with bulk hash and compete with that in this moment. 02:24:12.000 --> 02:24:16.559 I think our big like moment is just heady all the way. 02:24:16.719 --> 02:24:27.440 Like killer rosin, amazing melt, you know, whether it's cured, fresh, whatever, you know, um full spectrum carts, carts, live. 02:24:28.799 --> 02:24:30.559 Yeah, carts, I think, are interesting. 02:24:31.280 --> 02:24:31.920 I know for people. 02:24:32.079 --> 02:24:34.559 But anyway, so yeah, I feel and breeding, you know. 02:24:34.639 --> 02:24:46.879 So that's the one thing we have out here on the West Coast from BC to California, is we have the ability to have a lot of plants and finding new varietals for the market and new flavors is pretty crucial. 02:24:47.200 --> 02:24:49.840 And our story, you know, uh, we touched on this earlier. 02:24:49.920 --> 02:24:57.760 Like in Morocco obviously is association to good hash and traditionally, but we have our own unique story, and I think it does in that lane of high quality. 02:24:58.000 --> 02:25:02.719 That's why I think um we're gonna be able to maintain our place in the international market. 02:25:02.959 --> 02:25:13.840 So people go to the store, they can get the Moroccan at a great price point, but they know about the Kootenis and they love the story and what's behind it, and they want to actually support something they they believe in. 02:25:13.920 --> 02:25:17.440 And I do think that's that's the biggest thing we have to offer the world. 02:25:17.760 --> 02:25:42.399 I think it's important too to make sure while you have it that you really promote it, that it's that that it is that story, that it is so unique, because it plays I mean, it plays the humbled, it plays to say Westmoreland in Jamaica, and a lot of these places that happen to be the best place to grow cannabis also coincidentally happen to be the furthest place away from the police that you can possibly live. 02:25:42.639 --> 02:25:54.079 So you might be surprised to find that other terroirs uh command a presence as well as cannabis becomes, you know, starts being grown all over the world. 02:25:54.319 --> 02:25:57.440 But regardless, if they do, they won't have the story. 02:25:57.680 --> 02:25:58.479 Do you know what I mean? 02:25:58.559 --> 02:26:05.680 So the story is such a value, in my opinion, of those cannabis places like Westmoreland and like the Kootenys. 02:26:06.159 --> 02:26:10.079 Because in Jamaica, it was, you know, everyone's like the best sense comes from the West. 02:26:10.319 --> 02:26:12.159 There's like a thousand reggae songs about it. 02:26:12.239 --> 02:26:25.520 It's all, but if you really dig down into the reason why everyone grew in Westmoreland, it was the furthest away on the island that you could be from the police in Kingston. 02:26:25.600 --> 02:26:27.040 It was the other side of the island. 02:26:27.200 --> 02:26:28.879 And the police were like, I'm not going over there. 02:26:28.959 --> 02:26:29.840 Like, why would I go over there? 02:26:29.920 --> 02:26:33.920 There's a bunch of Rastafarians growing flowers, you know. 02:26:34.079 --> 02:26:37.280 So that kind of is how it really propelled, you know. 02:26:37.600 --> 02:26:45.200 The Kootenies is also this low density, incredible, amazing uh spot that just happens to be kind of far away. 02:26:45.360 --> 02:26:54.639 Like everyone's got long driveways, it's not super like it's not the place you're gonna be like knocking on doors if you're uh you know, you know, trying to sell Bibles or whatever. 02:26:54.879 --> 02:27:18.959 So there's there's that about it as well, which is why, in my opinion, like the importance of the story, I think export that story, you know, like export that story to the rest of the world because that that's um yeah, there's like it's it's there's a romance in it, there's this sort of intimate connection that can be made with someone like, oh wow, the coot this is the Kooteny bud that I've heard about. 02:27:19.040 --> 02:27:20.399 It's like, yeah, there you go, man. 02:27:20.479 --> 02:27:26.079 Give it a shot in the same way that I want you guys to export your your Kooteny flour. 02:27:26.559 --> 02:27:28.000 Now imagine this. 02:27:28.479 --> 02:27:36.559 Imagine um that Lebanon doesn't want to turn their back on their country and export hash to Canada. 02:27:36.879 --> 02:27:39.040 Holy shit, I would take that personally. 02:27:39.120 --> 02:27:41.680 I'm like, you gotta turn your back at least a little bit. 02:27:41.920 --> 02:27:44.000 Like, we need to taste what you got going on. 02:27:44.159 --> 02:27:53.040 I look forward to the days where hash from traditional countries are able to be imported into um, you know, the market here. 02:27:53.200 --> 02:27:54.639 I think that would be super cool. 02:27:54.799 --> 02:28:01.440 Um, just like I think on the same flip side, I'd love to see your guys' hash and products sold in Lebanon one day. 02:28:01.520 --> 02:28:08.079 I love the idea of traditional hash countries becoming legal for both import and export as well as production. 02:28:08.319 --> 02:28:12.000 But uh I just love access of all kinds and every kind. 02:28:12.079 --> 02:28:17.680 I used to be more limited in what I wanted people to have access to, and now I'm just like, who am I to judge? 02:28:17.840 --> 02:28:20.799 Just have access, get access, maybe it'd be good for you. 02:28:20.879 --> 02:28:28.319 Uh, we'll always fight for better, but uh in the meantime, I definitely am uh you know fighting for full access for the world. 02:28:28.879 --> 02:28:29.680 I like that too. 02:28:29.840 --> 02:28:54.559 And it would be really cool to see places like Morocco and those places come out with higher grade product as well because they will they have, they have I've seen like 70% THC come out of Morocco, it got wrapped so tight into footballs and then was like smuggled out of the country that they exploded during uh the the smuggling process. 02:28:54.719 --> 02:29:02.239 These things were wrapped so tight, and the there was so like it was full melt dry sip, it was like full melt six star. 02:29:02.879 --> 02:29:04.000 So it's possible. 02:29:04.079 --> 02:29:09.280 Uh, I think uh Morocca's biggest problem is like uh the water, it's the water issue. 02:29:09.360 --> 02:29:11.920 They don't have a lot of water, harvesting as well, right? 02:29:12.079 --> 02:29:14.319 What isn't the harvesting their biggest issue? 02:29:14.399 --> 02:29:20.319 Because there's not like tons of warehouses everywhere, so there's definitely not like portion of it. 02:29:20.719 --> 02:29:31.520 The way they make hash is they want to cure the flower, so yeah, it just sits out on hot fields or on top of barns or you know, wherever an upgrade, so they'll figure it out, but yeah. 02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:39.120 Yeah, I mean, there's many, many very knowledgeable people are there now and have been there over the course of the last 50 years. 02:29:39.360 --> 02:29:46.319 It's just like microclimates within, you know, the rift is huge, it's so it's a gigantic, enormous area. 02:29:46.399 --> 02:29:54.799 And I suspect that if you were able to see an accurate overview of everything that's going on, there's probably some awesome regenerative folks in there. 02:29:54.879 --> 02:29:56.000 There's probably, you know what I mean? 02:29:56.079 --> 02:30:01.840 Like people that have just been inspired by knowledge that's been around long enough now that they're doing it. 02:30:02.000 --> 02:30:10.479 But as always, the majority, probably 80 to 90 percent, is the same old, same old because uh it works, it's always worked. 02:30:10.639 --> 02:30:19.600 And uh, I mean, Morocco for the longest time was known to have some of the lowest quality hash, even even not hash, because there was uh what do they call it? 02:30:19.760 --> 02:30:27.440 Soap bar that came from Morocco that went to the UK in the late 90s, early 2000s that had a zero percent THCA number, dude. 02:30:27.520 --> 02:30:28.719 It was zero percent. 02:30:28.959 --> 02:30:36.959 Wow, and that's the thing with like Pakistani hash, or and that's not to say anything bad about it, you just a lot of times you don't know what's in that stuff. 02:30:37.120 --> 02:30:46.239 Yeah, in India, if you're in India and you're getting hash like dude, Hetty Happenings had six I was just gonna say imagine happenings, dude. 02:30:46.319 --> 02:30:51.440 So it's like, and and in that in the defense of heading happenings, it would have been every contest that's ever happened. 02:30:51.520 --> 02:31:01.840 It's been like if you you let people sell weed without holding their feet a little bit to the fire, because smoker farms earlier was very accurate and honest about it, you know. 02:31:01.920 --> 02:31:12.079 And it's like people don't want to hear that, it rubs them the wrong way, it makes them it's like I don't like the feeling when he said that we all sprayed stuff on our plants, and then the guy next to him was like, but we did. 02:31:12.159 --> 02:31:13.840 He's like, I know, but I didn't like when he said that. 02:31:15.200 --> 02:31:24.319 I don't like let's give props to Emerald Cup because Emerald Cup Emerald Cup helped form a massive culture, right? 02:31:24.479 --> 02:31:31.040 It brought sun grown into the into the realm, it created space for regenerative functions. 02:31:31.360 --> 02:31:34.319 Another reason another important reason, Waton. 02:31:34.399 --> 02:31:47.600 Sorry to cut you off, but another important reason why um testing was so important because once you start bringing sun-grown cannabis in, it doesn't matter if you didn't spray something into the soil, the plant is phytoremediative. 02:31:47.840 --> 02:31:51.760 It'll pull out what is in the soil if you didn't test it. 02:31:52.079 --> 02:31:53.600 So that's like a whole go ahead. 02:31:54.159 --> 02:31:55.360 And what's in the air. 02:31:55.520 --> 02:32:03.680 So, like if you were next to people that were spraying crazy like Avid, some of those people's neighbors made them fail, right? 02:32:06.959 --> 02:32:09.440 And eight night flower entries. 02:32:09.600 --> 02:32:17.760 Another thing is if you're a judge Alec Dixon, the year that they did the testing took a lot of heat. 02:32:18.959 --> 02:32:24.479 He came on Hash Church like a week after, and he said, I felt like the Grinch, dude. 02:32:24.959 --> 02:32:28.559 It was he like came, I'm hiding in the teepee, guys. 02:32:28.719 --> 02:32:30.319 And it was really incredible. 02:32:30.479 --> 02:32:45.520 People who we have held accountable as community and people who I have bought tremendous amounts of flour from in the past, who have promised up and down that you know it was clean, bladder, bladdada. 02:32:45.920 --> 02:32:48.559 It really did put the toes to the fire. 02:32:48.719 --> 02:33:01.200 And you know, I think the ending result in that, in that testing and that heat that came up and it overboiled and it it created a lot of animosity and all different kinds of things. 02:33:01.360 --> 02:33:11.680 But in the end, those growers who got busted, all of them changed, and all of them are doing better. 02:33:12.239 --> 02:33:22.719 And all of them are all of them are, you know, making it work to even better than maybe had it not happened. 02:33:22.879 --> 02:33:30.799 So I don't know how many people got um busted for mycobutanol and other different types of chemicals. 02:33:30.959 --> 02:33:33.120 Um, that particular Emerald Cup. 02:33:33.200 --> 02:33:36.879 I can't even remember the year because time's moving so fast and the time in shit. 02:33:41.360 --> 02:33:41.440 Yeah. 02:33:41.840 --> 02:33:45.440 That was super intense, but it was a lot, guys. 02:33:46.079 --> 02:33:49.200 It was the time of like 900 entries. 02:33:49.440 --> 02:33:53.840 And I mean, I think over a hundred got flagged. 02:33:54.079 --> 02:33:57.200 And they just pulled it and were ruthless about it. 02:33:57.360 --> 02:33:59.520 And those growers, it it was one. 02:34:00.239 --> 02:34:08.159 Of the largest, hardest lessons that Nor Campbell, Oregon, Washington had ever had. 02:34:08.719 --> 02:34:17.600 It finished forward regenerative farming, though, and it did because none of our farms, the peer certified farms, ever got disqualified. 02:34:19.120 --> 02:34:28.559 Plus in 2014, we created the peer certification at a time of butane oil and all those different things, and we were solventless only. 02:34:28.639 --> 02:34:33.120 So all of our farms were breeding, doing solventless really since those times. 02:34:33.280 --> 02:34:45.600 And in the end, being able to grow a plant for less money or make your own nutrients and then make the headiest of solvent extracts, it's what we're still talking about. 02:34:45.760 --> 02:34:47.520 And we were talking about it then. 02:34:47.760 --> 02:34:54.399 So it's cool because it just kept proving itself, you know, and that's our story. 02:34:54.479 --> 02:34:56.000 That's and that's where we differ. 02:34:56.479 --> 02:35:16.319 But I then think what's hard right now is that here Cheney and Kelly are producing some of the most incredible, and and Mike, you too, and and everybody in the Coonies are producing some of the most unbelievable, highest quality, international flour, rumin, hash. 02:35:16.479 --> 02:35:17.840 I could go on and on. 02:35:17.920 --> 02:35:28.479 And and we are sticking by what we plan to come in on, but it's not selling, you know, in the way that we want to see it selling. 02:35:29.200 --> 02:35:38.159 This is the reality of this of this uh industry, is that just like food, the majority of people don't have a lot of money to put into it. 02:35:38.319 --> 02:35:43.280 So on whether they like it or not, they buy the cheapest thing that they can find. 02:35:43.440 --> 02:35:47.600 And that is the 80 plus percent of the industry. 02:35:47.760 --> 02:35:52.319 That's the part of the industry that all these monster companies were sort of like, we'll just take care of that. 02:35:52.479 --> 02:35:57.760 The smaller companies are like, no problem, we'll take care of the 20%, but it is so much harder. 02:35:58.159 --> 02:36:07.440 I learned this the very hard way, Kelly, that like putting out a nice product, it doesn't necessarily mean squat if people won't buy it. 02:36:07.680 --> 02:36:10.159 You have to put out what people want. 02:36:10.399 --> 02:36:16.879 And unfortunately, what people want is very much affected by the price that it is. 02:36:17.040 --> 02:36:24.959 And in the like, okay, the first lesson I learned, which was like the biggest kick in the nuts ever, was when I was in the lab and we made the first batch. 02:36:25.120 --> 02:36:32.399 I think Mike probably was there with me doing it, and we whipped off the first batch and we separated everything into grades, and it was a water hash batch. 02:36:32.479 --> 02:36:37.200 And then my partners were like, Okay, so just let's mix it all up now and we'll test it. 02:36:37.360 --> 02:36:39.120 I'm like, no, we can't mix it all up. 02:36:39.200 --> 02:36:40.479 We it has to stay separate. 02:36:40.639 --> 02:36:44.479 And my partner was like, Are you fucking on on drugs? 02:36:44.639 --> 02:36:47.920 Like, that's a$1,500 test per bag. 02:36:48.079 --> 02:36:49.520 Like, there's our margin gone. 02:36:49.680 --> 02:36:59.200 You just made like such a we'll we'll have to make like a hundred kilos to make this of value so that the testing itself doesn't, it was impossible. 02:36:59.360 --> 02:37:02.799 The system is set up impossible to do it the way you want to do it. 02:37:02.959 --> 02:37:32.239 You just have to do it the way the system is set up, which doesn't mean you can't still get great products to market and this, that, and the other thing, but it is the limitations that generally, you know, adults aren't a big fan of being limited uh for no real good reason, other than someone who's making the limitations uh has a lack of understanding of what's actually going on, or worse, they think cannabis is something you have to protect children from, and sometimes both. 02:37:32.399 --> 02:37:37.440 And so if you're fighting both of those things, it's like oof, it's a little bit difficult. 02:37:37.680 --> 02:37:43.920 Um, too many fingers in the pot also makes good products less viable for the market. 02:37:44.639 --> 02:37:47.920 And I think hashtag never touched, yeah. 02:37:48.159 --> 02:38:18.159 Well, I mean, just like in terms of like all the branches that where money is taken through taxes and um unnecessary SOPs that take time and money for that end up in cost and overhead, or unnecessary SOPs, or incorrect deciphering of the Health Canada rules and regulations by a pharmaceutical QAP or a QA. 02:38:19.360 --> 02:38:21.040 Because I also saw that a lot. 02:38:21.200 --> 02:38:31.440 The QA was just on another level, like just like following everything to the T into a letter and well, and just disconnected too from what the actual process is. 02:38:32.000 --> 02:38:34.000 Totally, completely disconnected. 02:38:34.159 --> 02:38:38.559 The only way you could do that in the first place is by being disconnected. 02:38:38.799 --> 02:38:43.760 So it's interesting that uh there's all these different obstacles to kind of overcome. 02:38:43.920 --> 02:38:57.680 Obviously, those obstacles are less likely to occur in a person who knows, uh has a relationship with cannabis and enjoys cannabis, but uh yeah, this legal cannabis is definitely no joke in regards to its difficulty. 02:38:57.840 --> 02:39:01.040 I I I talk about turning your back on Canada. 02:39:01.200 --> 02:39:05.520 I literally stopped selling my products in Canada for for years. 02:39:05.680 --> 02:39:14.719 Uh, I've only really been working back on bringing products back to the Canadian market in the last like eight months um because it became impossible. 02:39:14.879 --> 02:39:16.559 It literally became impossible. 02:39:16.719 --> 02:39:19.520 It was just not a feasible experience. 02:39:19.760 --> 02:39:47.920 And uh I since brought my brand down to the US, and I'm just in eight different states down there, and it is it's it's different, but wow, in a lot of ways, it's definitely like you know, for for brands like Rosebud, Smoker's Farm, Dragonfly Earth Medicine, you know, the these the US relationships are individual because of the lack of federal legalization, it's state. 02:39:48.239 --> 02:40:11.920 So you could literally have like 29 different US partners with your brand represented even exclusively by each partner, just in each individual states, which means you have to have grows and processing facilities and sales teams, and literally, so that's the disadvantage is that you need so many things uh versus the Canadian, which is you know a double-edged sword as well. 02:40:12.000 --> 02:40:37.280 It's amazing when you get a big order for 10 kilos from a province, you're like, holy shit, that's awesome! But then I remember us being warned because it was the OCS, they said, if these guys sell out of this fast and they want to order another 10 or even 12 kilos, and you can't fulfill the order, uh, you know, you get, and I don't think it's like this anymore, but back then, and I'm sure you remember this, Mike, you would get punished. 02:40:37.360 --> 02:40:47.120 You would get they would put you at the bottom of their purchase list, even if you were an already accepted brand, you weren't be at you wouldn't be where you were before in regards to them uh wanting to purchase. 02:40:47.280 --> 02:40:50.000 So there's definitely a lot of obstacles. 02:40:50.159 --> 02:41:09.680 I feel like the biggest obstacle, you know, getting cannabis federally legalized, that had to be like the the the king's descent or whatever it's called, like operating on the highest fucking levels of this illusionary government, but still it would. 02:41:09.840 --> 02:41:11.600 I'd never seen anything like it in my whole life. 02:41:11.680 --> 02:41:17.280 And everyone that I ever knew that smoked weed was like, they're never gonna legalize it, not in your lifetime. 02:41:17.440 --> 02:41:20.879 So, like I was sort of surprised to see that one happen. 02:41:20.959 --> 02:41:23.760 And when it did happen, and don't get me wrong, they didn't decide. 02:41:23.840 --> 02:41:37.760 We forced their hand, we you know, got them into the corners through so many different lawsuits and so many different uh ways of of activism, particularly sick and catastrophically ill children benefiting from cannabis. 02:41:37.840 --> 02:41:43.840 That was like the last leg of prohibition where they were just like, oh my god, like who are we gonna send on camera to argue this? 02:41:44.239 --> 02:41:45.040 You know what I mean? 02:41:45.200 --> 02:41:46.879 So we we've got it to a point. 02:41:47.040 --> 02:41:50.559 I feel like these little things that are are such a pain in the ass. 02:41:50.639 --> 02:41:53.520 And yes, you're not wrong, they're bankrupting companies. 02:41:53.840 --> 02:42:05.360 Um but I wonder if all of those companies could survive in a utopian world, or if it's just the way business works in a young industry like cannabis. 02:42:05.440 --> 02:42:09.200 Like I just pray that it gets better, that it's gonna open up. 02:42:09.360 --> 02:42:15.680 That, you know, that being said, I also love some of the regulations, in particular the testing regulations. 02:42:15.840 --> 02:42:20.000 I think that should transfer over to food and water and air. 02:42:20.159 --> 02:42:34.239 That would be amazing to see those things be transferred, like us, you know, those those sort of industries or whatever you want to call them groups are influenced by hey, look at how hardcore cannabis is being regulated. 02:42:34.399 --> 02:42:38.959 Like we don't even regulate corn like that, and everyone puts it in their mouth. 02:42:39.680 --> 02:42:40.479 Just a thought. 02:42:40.719 --> 02:42:45.280 Even cannabis edibles get uh denied because of going into an edible. 02:42:46.159 --> 02:42:56.319 Yeah, well, and I just wanted to say that there's uh yet here we are, another side of the coin is that when there's difficulties and we're all trying to figure it out, we really join together. 02:42:56.559 --> 02:43:11.360 You know, um, it's been amazing like seeing so many people come out of the woodwork and the Kootenies and, you know, all of the threads and the emails and everything that Tracy has been up to and everything that Pam and Mike have been up to. 02:43:11.520 --> 02:43:16.399 I mean, like this is community and people pull together. 02:43:16.559 --> 02:43:33.440 And even though, you know, the market may be hard to reach, uh the Kootenis is still producing absolutely some of the best flower and and and the best children and the very healthy gardens to match. 02:43:33.520 --> 02:43:41.040 You know, we're pulling massive zucchini and massive buds out of um our gardens, and we're still making a lot of the magic happen. 02:43:41.280 --> 02:43:56.959 So even in the trenches of difficulty, I love it that this community pulls together and that when I can come to rosebud and he and here you are, Che, you guys are gonna be putting on, you know, the the unicorn cup again this year. 02:43:57.280 --> 02:43:58.000 Rosebud Bowl. 02:43:58.159 --> 02:44:00.239 Rose, no, it's unicorn, right? 02:44:00.959 --> 02:44:03.280 Uh we're gonna we're back to our roots this year. 02:44:03.360 --> 02:44:04.879 We're gonna do the rosebud bowl. 02:44:05.040 --> 02:44:05.920 Oh, yes. 02:44:06.079 --> 02:44:06.319 Okay. 02:44:07.280 --> 02:44:09.600 It's just really aimed at unicorns are invited. 02:44:10.399 --> 02:44:10.719 Right. 02:44:10.959 --> 02:44:11.840 Unicorns are invited. 02:44:12.479 --> 02:44:16.719 Next year we'll do the big shebang again, but it we won't take anything ever away from our cannabis community. 02:44:16.799 --> 02:44:19.200 That'll always be the main attraction of the event. 02:44:19.600 --> 02:44:25.280 And that's like been amazing to go and join there together with family and people. 02:44:25.440 --> 02:44:34.719 Anyone who's listening to this podcast absolutely should be making an incredible mecca to come out to the Rosebud Bowl and whatever these guys are creating. 02:44:34.799 --> 02:44:44.559 Because this is Kooteny cannabis, this is community, and uh, as hard as the market is, we still are absolutely thriving. 02:44:44.879 --> 02:44:55.680 And there's other brands and I'll name a few Koots Canna, Kooteny's Finest, Kooteny Cultivar, uh Sweetgrass. 02:44:55.760 --> 02:45:11.440 I I I anyone can name more, but those are you know, some other farms that are living soil that are producing for both Canada and the world, and are also really beautiful people and a huge part of our family network and whatnot. 02:45:11.600 --> 02:45:18.079 And again, there's there's there's more, but um uh, you know, there's yeah, and Damien's been pushing into the international market. 02:45:18.319 --> 02:45:19.040 That's really cool. 02:45:19.200 --> 02:45:19.600 Quantum. 02:45:21.360 --> 02:45:22.559 Yeah, just it just goes on. 02:45:22.639 --> 02:45:24.479 There's so many great producers in our area. 02:45:24.799 --> 02:45:31.040 You know, there is one other market that I want to make sure we touch on really quickly, gets overlooked a lot, and that's the medical market. 02:45:31.600 --> 02:45:41.200 And um, you know, actually we just expanded, we doubled our site here, and we're growing THCV genetics for uh that'll actually end up in Europe in capsules. 02:45:41.600 --> 02:45:44.239 And it's been some incredible advancements in medicine as well. 02:45:44.319 --> 02:45:50.159 There's been a discovery, and the gentleman I'm gonna do this for THCV is suppressing type 2 diabetes. 02:45:50.559 --> 02:45:53.040 And he actually cured his own diabetes twice. 02:45:53.280 --> 02:45:57.040 He stopped taking it and proved to his doctors, and he's behind this project. 02:45:57.600 --> 02:46:00.000 You know, and and there's more reasonable margins, you know. 02:46:00.079 --> 02:46:03.200 We're we're getting a 25% margin, that's all we're really asking for. 02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:07.200 And to be straight, that's a tough thing to happen here in in BC. 02:46:07.600 --> 02:46:16.879 But so there is other markets out there available that are just not quite as obvious, and it takes something really more aimed at medicine to reach those markets. 02:46:16.959 --> 02:46:24.799 So I'd encourage anybody that's uh interested in in more of that side of things to explore it because I think uh it's a little bit untapped at this point. 02:46:25.200 --> 02:46:30.879 Well, and I've I've I've now seen a couple of the micros, you know, micros being limited in canopy size. 02:46:31.040 --> 02:46:41.040 You know, it takes being small, you you're limited on the amount of people you can hire, the amount that people you can throw at the licensing and the export paperwork. 02:46:41.360 --> 02:47:01.760 But there are a couple of licenses that have been able to kind of penetrate the domestic market, have been able to get their products exported to multiple international markets, and are now at the point that they're having to make decisions about what markets they release products into under their micro single micro license. 02:47:02.000 --> 02:47:10.559 And in some cases, they're now building a second or third micro license to supply those that grow the growth in their their sales channels. 02:47:10.799 --> 02:47:23.680 Ultimately, no one stream of revenue is going to be uh enough to pay all the bills, but as you you know here in the Kootenis, many great streams create great rivers. 02:47:23.840 --> 02:47:25.920 We're surrounded by many great rivers. 02:47:26.239 --> 02:47:50.319 So, like as the Kooteny farmers and processors and brands that work with the Kootenai farmers are able to get their products into an ever-growing number of markets, we're actually going to start to see farmers have to allocate their crops towards whatever revenue streams are generating, you know, able to pay their family and their their company, their employees the best. 02:47:50.639 --> 02:48:00.559 Well, that's definitely what's going on in Colorado right now, from traveling around and visiting all the different groves in the south and you know, going to Boulder and Evergreen and Denver, obviously. 02:48:01.200 --> 02:48:12.159 Yeah, we had a big boom in the early 2010s in Colorado, but then it kind of crashed, and now it's it's kind of leveled out, and the the people that are producing the bit best product are being sought out. 02:48:12.319 --> 02:48:34.399 The people that are producing average products have to work to get it to market, but then as you get your products into various markets, you're gonna find those consumers that vibe with your brands, your product, your lifestyle, and your culture, and you're gonna end up kind of creating those loyal brands and loyal customers that end up creating uh creating those revenue streams for the farms. 02:48:34.639 --> 02:48:37.280 It's just that's that's the hardest part about it. 02:48:37.440 --> 02:48:42.559 You know, 20 years ago in in the traditional market, everyone was able to export. 02:48:42.719 --> 02:48:47.840 Now we're everyone's just starting to figure out or transition through the export process. 02:48:48.000 --> 02:48:53.200 There's not nearly as many export markets as as the traditional market was exporting to. 02:48:53.520 --> 02:49:01.600 So now it's just a matter of holding our breath and trying to be efficient until we can get to a till all the politicians get out of the way. 02:49:02.639 --> 02:49:04.799 Um yeah, geez. 02:49:05.440 --> 02:49:14.079 It's a tough thing to do, but it's one of those things that we're we're here in the Kootenis Resilient Bunch, cannabis farmers are resilient farmers. 02:49:14.399 --> 02:49:15.360 That's true. 02:49:15.680 --> 02:49:18.479 So we aren't we aren't that soft. 02:49:19.200 --> 02:49:29.760 No, and having the have having being resilient, we can kind of spend our time find you know phenot phenot the best strains, find which ones work the best in these climates. 02:49:30.479 --> 02:49:43.520 Some of some of the people on these farms on and on this call have spent years, if not decades, either phenohunting different strains to bring to market or phenohunting you know very specific genotype lines. 02:49:44.079 --> 02:49:54.479 And that creates a really unique ability that we can kind of find that there's a million different niches for you know both medical and recreational and herbal products. 02:49:55.200 --> 02:50:05.120 And I think that's gonna really well we haven't seen the global market kind of level out and commodify the you know, Blue Dream or Cookie Index. 02:50:05.440 --> 02:50:18.079 Uh, but what we will always see is like people that have the best quality will always command a premium, and that and that premium quality generally comes from unique climates that are hard to replicate. 02:50:18.479 --> 02:50:32.799 And I while I've built you know fairly large facilities, it's it's the the quality that we can produce in those larger facilities is isn't nearly as high of a quality as we could what we can produce on a small scale. 02:50:33.040 --> 02:50:47.360 Because we can custom tailor nutrients, grow methodologies, climate and strains towards their climates on a level that you can't do when you're growing hundreds or thousands of plants in a standardized system. 02:50:47.920 --> 02:50:58.159 Well, man, I hate to be the voice of unreason, but I'll tell you, just recently in the last year, I've met a group who is doing exactly that. 02:50:58.959 --> 02:51:02.319 They custom do all of their nutrients. 02:51:02.479 --> 02:51:07.520 They're they work with Canna, and Canna like will create whatever they want. 02:51:07.680 --> 02:51:12.000 They have like it's this facility goes through 100,000 gallons of water a day. 02:51:12.319 --> 02:51:13.680 Like I've never seen anything like it. 02:51:13.760 --> 02:51:29.200 They had 12,000 lights burning when I was there, but they have 15,000 burning now, um, with greenhouse roofs, metal halide, high pressure sodiums, and LED and blackout roofs, all growing massive, like growing a ridiculous amount. 02:51:29.440 --> 02:51:32.799 And this is what they grew there. 02:51:36.559 --> 02:51:40.000 And I saw 44 kilos of this hash. 02:51:40.079 --> 02:51:41.840 This is six-star full melt belt. 02:51:41.920 --> 02:51:42.559 I'll melt. 02:51:42.639 --> 02:51:45.520 I'll be honest, I had never seen it before, Mike. 02:51:45.680 --> 02:51:47.200 I've never seen a facility. 02:51:47.280 --> 02:51:50.399 I now now in in my defense of never seeing it. 02:51:50.639 --> 02:51:53.120 Skunk Man Sam always said it was completely possible. 02:51:53.200 --> 02:51:54.239 He said, Of course you can do it. 02:51:54.399 --> 02:51:57.600 Of course, he's like, I can grow fields of incredible quality resin. 02:51:57.680 --> 02:52:00.000 It's like, don't convince yourself that you can't. 02:52:00.239 --> 02:52:01.600 Um, you really can. 02:52:02.000 --> 02:52:04.399 And these guys have somehow figured out how to do it. 02:52:04.479 --> 02:52:05.920 I've never seen anything like it. 02:52:06.000 --> 02:52:11.600 This resin is stable, it's like soft glass, like it's got a real nice feel to it. 02:52:11.760 --> 02:52:14.639 It melts completely into a liquid. 02:52:14.799 --> 02:52:22.239 Uh, you can obviously read through it, like it's fully and it's not thin, like this is a thick piece of hash. 02:52:22.319 --> 02:52:23.760 You can read through it. 02:52:24.079 --> 02:52:26.399 I gotta give it up to this company. 02:52:26.719 --> 02:52:37.040 Canara Biotech Quebec, they are really blowing my mind on the regular with the quality of resin that they've that they're growing. 02:52:37.120 --> 02:52:41.280 That's why, in my opinion, it's so important when you have a solid story. 02:52:41.520 --> 02:52:46.000 Regardless of your size, don't get caught up in the size aspect of it. 02:52:46.159 --> 02:52:51.200 Just get caught up in the quality or that that you want to bring to market, right? 02:52:51.280 --> 02:52:53.840 And there's many qualities that people want to bring to market. 02:52:54.000 --> 02:52:56.799 I mean, I see CBD cigarettes. 02:52:56.959 --> 02:52:57.360 What's that? 02:52:57.440 --> 02:52:57.840 Go ahead. 02:52:58.079 --> 02:53:05.120 And they've and they've they've done a partnership with Canna where they're actually you know custom tailoring nutrients to specific stress. 02:53:05.280 --> 02:53:05.920 Yes, yes. 02:53:06.159 --> 02:53:08.799 So they're they're able to kind of really dial it in. 02:53:09.120 --> 02:53:20.159 Dude, exactly doing the thing that most companies, I'm telling you, the CEO of this company, he knows every aspect of every corner of every part of these facilities. 02:53:20.399 --> 02:53:24.559 He's literally the master grower, he's the one in charge of growing the flower. 02:53:24.719 --> 02:53:28.719 He knows everything about the BHO extraction, class one div one room. 02:53:28.799 --> 02:53:30.799 He knows everything about the water extraction. 02:53:31.120 --> 02:53:33.520 I I'd never really seen a company like it. 02:53:33.600 --> 02:53:42.799 And and that's why uh this that's the company that I've been working with here for the last uh eight months to see if we can't uh yeah, be a part of it. 02:53:43.120 --> 02:53:50.319 Yeah, hopefully they get some provincial ledge change so they can actually because they're in Quebec, right? 02:53:50.719 --> 02:54:10.159 Yeah, but they sell to all of Canada, so and they do great in Quebec, they have an unbelievable Quebec portion of the market where they produce uh flour and hash and extracts all in the 30% or below range, but then they then they supply the rest of Canada with uh higher quality products. 02:54:10.559 --> 02:54:20.319 Yeah, no, they I I think a hybrid hybrid greenhouse is going to be one of the more efficient methodologies just based off what I've been studying over the last. 02:54:21.040 --> 02:54:31.600 And and and I'll be honest, the other thing is that to do it in BC is to truly be the most difficult place to do because of the cost of power. 02:54:31.840 --> 02:54:36.079 Um, it is less than a third the cost of power in Quebec. 02:54:36.159 --> 02:54:37.680 It might be closer to a quarter. 02:54:37.920 --> 02:54:39.680 I'd have to I'd have to find out again. 02:54:39.760 --> 02:54:46.639 I remember being shocked when I have when I found out how cheap electricity is in Quebec, as well as water. 02:54:46.799 --> 02:54:49.040 Water is like has almost no cost. 02:54:49.360 --> 02:54:53.600 Yeah, it kind of depends on your proximity to the hydroelectric dams. 02:54:54.239 --> 02:54:59.040 Yeah, well, Quebec as a whole is known for extremely cheap um electricity. 02:54:59.120 --> 02:55:01.920 I think northern New York is as well, if I'm not mistaken. 02:55:02.079 --> 02:55:09.760 They've got a pretty it's kind of like a local joke here where there's like people are growing just to pay their power bill to grow. 02:55:10.079 --> 02:55:11.680 Well, that's that's not a joke, though. 02:55:11.760 --> 02:55:21.360 You know, like you're constantly complaining about the tax, but it's like, man, if that power bill was like, you know, if you got rid of 65% of that power bill, you'd have a margin. 02:55:24.079 --> 02:55:24.559 Mm-hmm. 02:55:24.799 --> 02:55:33.120 Well, and I think Washington has a really low electricity rate to a different country, I know, but I'm just saying they have a super low electricity rate. 02:55:33.840 --> 02:55:34.799 Well, and a lot of the Washington. 02:55:36.799 --> 02:55:38.079 No, not that low. 02:55:38.639 --> 02:55:41.760 Compared to British Columbia, and it depends, yeah. 02:55:42.479 --> 02:55:43.040 Yeah. 02:55:43.360 --> 02:55:53.280 So and you can actually get government funds to upgrade a lot of your power, a lot of your lights from HID to LEDs. 02:55:53.600 --> 02:55:54.000 Yep. 02:55:54.479 --> 02:55:56.239 We do that with Grandmaster LED. 02:55:56.319 --> 02:55:59.040 We get people, sometimes they get all their money back, Mike. 02:55:59.120 --> 02:56:04.559 And and in fact, There's been instances where people have gotten more money back than the lights. 02:56:04.719 --> 02:56:06.799 Like it's it's kind of insane. 02:56:06.959 --> 02:56:18.079 The uh the the willingness to burn money on um you know just getting people to use uh uh less energy. 02:56:18.319 --> 02:56:22.479 They they're they're like rebates for new technology, dude. 02:56:22.639 --> 02:56:24.719 Massive, massive rebates for everything. 02:56:24.959 --> 02:56:51.040 Well, and it what you're gonna see is as everyone starts competing on a global market, you're gonna have to see compete with those large-scale greenhouses on a global scale, and people are gonna have to start transitioning to a level where they're being a lot more efficient with their light use, you know, using because in a greenhouse I can have a light cover of much larger square footage than I than you do in an indoor room. 02:56:51.280 --> 02:56:59.520 Now there's all there will always be a need for indoor, just like there's always a need for greenhouse or outdoor, but there will be different pros and cons. 02:56:59.680 --> 02:57:12.879 And I think the most efficient way of producing the highest quality is going to be some form of hybrid greenhouse with living soil, as well as some supplemented nutrients to crops deer. 02:57:13.440 --> 02:57:34.719 So, and that's where you know you're seeing each of these grows, you know, slowly trend different ways and have their unique methodologies, their unique nutrient profiles or cultivation methods, end up creating a kind of a somewhat unique terroir and unique flavor to their the flower that they're producing. 02:57:35.680 --> 02:57:49.520 So but yeah, I mean you'll you'll also see like I I geek I'm one of the few people that geeks out on how different nutrients affect different strain profiles or different light spectrums affect different strain profiles. 02:57:49.840 --> 02:57:54.159 I mean it's definitely good work to be doing if you want to uncover interesting things. 02:57:54.559 --> 02:57:56.399 Yeah, it's just a ton of work, right? 02:57:56.639 --> 02:58:01.600 Because you gotta standardize the work standardize and have controls and all of that. 02:58:01.680 --> 02:58:18.079 And it's you whether you're doing something like Canara where they're you know doing nutrient profile development, um, or light manufacturers are oftentimes trying to find like what's the specific light spectrum for cannabis or other crops. 02:58:18.239 --> 02:58:41.280 But obviously, if I'm growing uh you know one crop indoors, an equatorial sativa versus a high-latitude indica, they may need a slightly different light spectrum, um, but there's now a ton of research being done to try and figure out what spectrums are best for which strains. 02:58:42.239 --> 02:58:46.399 Um I I would suspect that you know that'll kind of go towards terroir. 02:58:46.639 --> 02:58:56.399 You'll always have you know some strains do better in your local region, but then you'll also be able to have those strains available in the global market. 02:58:56.639 --> 02:59:09.520 It's just you're not gonna be able to grow an apricot cush as well in a controlled environment, indoor grow room as you will it in a polyculture with an apricot tree. 02:59:09.920 --> 02:59:17.120 We've been doing some research into light spectrum and even actually minor cannabinoids, uh like for THCV, for example. 02:59:17.360 --> 02:59:19.280 Um looking at Lasothos. 02:59:19.520 --> 02:59:23.360 Lasothos is an African country in Africa, it's one of the highest countries in the world. 02:59:23.600 --> 02:59:27.280 Their land race stuff is just loaded with THCV. 02:59:27.440 --> 02:59:37.600 And it looks like there's a relationship between the UVB, the UV light of the sun, because they're so close, so high in the sky, and the plant using that as a protective mechanism. 02:59:37.840 --> 02:59:42.639 The THCV actually apparently acts as a bit of a sunscreen effect. 02:59:42.959 --> 02:59:44.559 So it is really neat, like that. 02:59:44.639 --> 02:59:55.440 You know, you you touched on that, the relationship between spectrum and uh cannabinoids, but I think it gets it gets deeper and deeper and more and more detailed as we uh as we uncover this stuff. 02:59:55.520 --> 02:59:58.479 I find it really exciting too to be learning these things. 02:59:59.040 --> 03:00:03.040 I'm curious to know how you're planning on growing some THC beast strains. 03:00:03.440 --> 03:00:04.959 Like, are they already started? 03:00:05.680 --> 03:00:06.399 What's going on? 03:00:07.600 --> 03:00:10.959 Yeah, they um everything we grow here has some rooterellus in it. 03:00:11.600 --> 03:00:13.200 And this is no exception. 03:00:13.520 --> 03:00:19.440 And so these genetics are not our genetics, they're an amazing genetic that have come from elsewhere. 03:00:19.760 --> 03:00:30.559 And um but a similar similar region, you know, geographically maybe not necessarily, but uh elevation and humidity levels, and so I imagine they're gonna need some adapting. 03:00:31.040 --> 03:00:35.920 But I think that they'll do well the first year, they they know this living soil structure. 03:00:36.559 --> 03:00:39.200 Um but yeah, and genetics is another huge part of this. 03:00:39.360 --> 03:00:52.639 Like you know, I think I agree that there's a place for indoor long term, but at the same time, genetics are getting better and better, and um you know, depending on where you're growing, you know, such a huge part of this. 03:00:53.120 --> 03:00:59.680 Like these this product we're putting into London really is really, really close to an indoor bag appeal. 03:00:59.840 --> 03:01:05.440 The density, the you know, and some people are saying it's it's better than some of the indoor they're buying. 03:01:05.680 --> 03:01:24.479 And these are not our genetics either, but it's it's just showing that the improvement in genetics is like um really opening up more and more possibility when we can go to some of these countries with so much you know more intense sun and longer seasons and grow some of these, you know, more advanced because more time's been put into indoor genetics. 03:01:24.559 --> 03:01:43.040 We've been hiding in the basement for 70 years or 50 years, and there's been a lot of breeding going on in the basement, and there's a handful of cutenic folk and and beyond that have been doing some things outdoors, but the relationship of you know to the breeding indoors has gotten way out of control compared to the amount of efforts I've put outdoors. 03:01:43.120 --> 03:01:47.440 So there's a lot more room to advance in the sun type scenario. 03:01:47.840 --> 03:01:54.479 Uh and yeah, it goes back to maybe adding different um specific soil recipes to bring out certain terpenes. 03:01:54.799 --> 03:02:03.440 We do a lot of fish for stuff and some sulfur for like danky, you know, diesels and funky, that's it just loves like that fish. 03:02:03.680 --> 03:02:09.360 Uh we try not to use too much animal amendments, but sulfur is another or something sweet, alfalfa. 03:02:09.920 --> 03:02:14.000 Anything like fruity and sweet just loves the alfalfa. 03:02:14.399 --> 03:02:22.399 You know, and then you start talking about different light combinations to also increase certain cannabinoids and maybe even terpenes too. 03:02:22.639 --> 03:02:26.479 I think there's a lot more dialing we can do in these recipes as as time goes on. 03:02:31.520 --> 03:02:34.079 I'm so you're talking about all autoflowers? 03:02:34.159 --> 03:02:36.639 Is this particular strain of gonna be autoflour? 03:02:37.760 --> 03:02:44.799 No, we don't do much autos except um maybe ten percent, and that's just to take the workload off of the harvest, really, to spread that out. 03:02:45.120 --> 03:02:46.719 These are all fast finishers. 03:02:47.200 --> 03:02:57.280 So what we do here with my own genetics that I've created is I'll take a really um something I really love from indoors, and you know, I'll look at the history of it, like where did it come from? 03:02:57.360 --> 03:03:01.440 Like is it has it have a chance in my region, or is it gonna be a real problem to adapt? 03:03:01.680 --> 03:03:06.479 And if I think it's gonna fit okay, I'll put some rootarellus into it, some full autoflour. 03:03:06.959 --> 03:03:08.239 And then wean those out. 03:03:08.559 --> 03:03:11.680 So we'll put the light cycle, I think it's 15 hours what we do. 03:03:12.079 --> 03:03:18.079 We put the light cycle of 14 to trigger the ones that will fast finish when do our pheno hunt. 03:03:18.399 --> 03:03:22.000 And the true photo period ones won't, they'll stay veggie out. 03:03:22.319 --> 03:03:26.959 So right there we can cut it down to what's gonna work on our site as far as trigger time. 03:03:27.360 --> 03:03:30.639 Because we gotta finish September, maybe the first week of October. 03:03:31.120 --> 03:03:33.120 Like 3,500 feet up here. 03:03:33.520 --> 03:03:36.000 End of October is just just too risky. 03:03:36.319 --> 03:03:44.479 So then we'll pheno hunt through those in an outdoor situation and see which ones are the keepers, carry through the terpene profile, and actually do well on our site. 03:03:44.639 --> 03:03:51.280 So at the end of the day, pretty much everything here except the full autos is 25% Ruderellus or Autoflower. 03:03:53.760 --> 03:03:56.159 The first plant I ever grew was Ruderellus. 03:03:58.399 --> 03:03:58.959 What was it? 03:03:59.040 --> 03:03:59.760 What strain? 03:04:00.319 --> 03:04:03.040 We literally it was called it was called Ruderellus. 03:04:03.120 --> 03:04:04.399 That's like what it was called. 03:04:04.479 --> 03:04:04.879 We grew it. 03:04:05.120 --> 03:04:06.319 It wasn't a mighty mite. 03:04:06.559 --> 03:04:09.200 It wasn't, it was way, it was this was in '95. 03:04:09.680 --> 03:04:10.559 Oh yeah. 03:04:11.920 --> 03:04:12.639 Mighty mites. 03:04:13.040 --> 03:04:29.120 It was just a force self-flowering, like you know, it flowered super, super early on, and it wasn't great cannabis, but me and my buddy were so proud of it, and we took a picture of it, and he sent it into High Times magazine somewhere in rural Manitoba. 03:04:29.200 --> 03:04:34.000 And we got into the November 95 issue, the last one Jerry was on the cover for. 03:04:34.159 --> 03:04:35.760 It's in the little picture area. 03:04:36.079 --> 03:04:43.680 It was like a Polaroid picture that they like photocopied into the magazine, and it's our shitty uh Ruterellus uh garden growth. 03:04:43.840 --> 03:04:55.200 Not that your routerellus is shitty, Che, but uh mine was two 400 Optimark light bulbs in a false wall behind my friend's bedroom in Winnipeg, Manitoba. 03:04:55.360 --> 03:04:58.399 Because uh, yeah, those motherfuckers took that shit pretty serious. 03:04:58.479 --> 03:05:01.920 If they found you growing weed, they'd be like, gotta go to jail now. 03:05:02.079 --> 03:05:08.000 So we had the little false panel that popped off the wall, and uh that was great, man. 03:05:08.079 --> 03:05:20.000 The amount of time I spent in that little room sitting with my buddy, just like staring at seedlings like on the on the tray, it was uh the beginning of uh a unique relationship, I will say that. 03:05:20.319 --> 03:05:43.600 Back in the early days of growing outdoors here in the Kootenis, the white grizzly was one seed line that came out of it, and uh there was always a portion of that that was uh that was autoflower or ruteralis, and often it was like a lion's mane type of bud, meaning just full of leaves and crazy bushy, and really not sought after. 03:05:43.680 --> 03:05:50.799 You're just kind of like, oh geez, you know, like maybe for hash, you you know, you could be like, Oh, it's a hash plant, you know. 03:05:51.040 --> 03:05:56.159 But um, and then we started getting more involved. 03:05:56.239 --> 03:06:08.000 Uh, well, Heart Rock Mountain makes amazing auto flowers, and Kelly worked at Heart Rock, and um huge love and respect to Daniel Moreford and uh the crew down there. 03:06:08.159 --> 03:06:21.760 Um, and then the outdoor genetics that we've been growing over all these years and stuff, and we've really been honing in, you know, working with those genetics as well and uh creating kind of quicks. 03:06:22.079 --> 03:06:35.600 I guess quicks is sort of a you know a term that's used for, you know, when you take like a hash plant or some kind of an old school plant, put autoflower in, and then you get a certain amount of or photo, people will call it a photo, yeah. 03:06:35.760 --> 03:06:40.959 That's another term that and just to try and shorten the the time cycle, you know. 03:06:41.040 --> 03:06:47.040 So because like Chase said, like our magic window is September. 03:06:47.280 --> 03:06:57.680 There's there's flowers that start in the end of August and and aren't fully developed by the time the the weather changes, but the weather changes here in the beginning of September. 03:06:58.319 --> 03:07:04.719 And and and ripe flowers tend to have a hard time with that transition, some of them. 03:07:04.799 --> 03:07:08.559 So we we want to be done before a lot of that change comes. 03:07:08.799 --> 03:07:14.719 And it's amazing when some of the ones are young and they grow through that, they're not really susceptible to that change. 03:07:14.879 --> 03:07:27.680 And then you can get finishing flowers in in October, which is sort of it's a trip to see that because you'd think, oh, everything just melted, but it the only ones that really melted were the ones that were more farther advanced in their flower cycle. 03:07:28.000 --> 03:07:34.959 Chay, are you working with uh um genetics that are all sort of going to be finished at the same time, other than your THCV? 03:07:35.120 --> 03:07:39.680 Because I know you guys have been really sort of honing in on that uh finishing time. 03:07:40.000 --> 03:07:41.200 Um, how's that going? 03:07:41.360 --> 03:07:45.760 Because you're you're anyone who doesn't know rosebud is just really beautiful. 03:07:45.920 --> 03:07:50.319 And to see it uh in bloom is is something absolutely spectacular. 03:07:50.479 --> 03:07:57.840 So thanks, Kelly Yeah, we we try to space it out, but um inevitably they all want to finish around the same time. 03:07:58.000 --> 03:08:02.719 But we get about like a six-week spread from the start to the finish. 03:08:03.520 --> 03:08:04.399 That's really nice. 03:08:04.559 --> 03:08:05.760 That's super helpful. 03:08:06.000 --> 03:08:07.440 It's nice to be able to breed for that. 03:08:07.520 --> 03:08:24.399 Caleb, you had also just said that it was uh the lion claw, and that's uh what we had taken and brought up here um so many years ago, and it was the crazy, you know, up here in BC, it grew a bud that was about this big and about this wide. 03:08:24.559 --> 03:08:27.360 I'm not even exaggerating, it was unbelievable. 03:08:27.600 --> 03:08:43.200 But um to dry sift it and to sort of work with it and extract it, we realized, whoa, you know, all of the the loudest OG, um, sort of chem, cushy kush, dank terps were coming out of that. 03:08:43.280 --> 03:08:48.479 So we've been working uh in crossing that now for so many years. 03:08:48.559 --> 03:08:59.200 And because we love that fuel flavor, it's hard to find in the super OG fuel rich, and and that's what keeps coming through, which is really spectacular. 03:08:59.360 --> 03:09:07.120 We're excited to work with the lemon head that he's sending up to us as well, which is the lemon head is sick, right? 03:09:07.440 --> 03:09:08.399 It's so good. 03:09:08.719 --> 03:09:11.360 Tell us where it came from or where you know what you did. 03:09:11.840 --> 03:09:15.120 It came from boxcar Kelly down in Willetz. 03:09:15.360 --> 03:09:16.639 I mean, isn't that just cool? 03:09:16.879 --> 03:09:19.440 It's funny to say in itself, just keep keep going, though. 03:09:19.760 --> 03:09:20.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 03:09:20.799 --> 03:09:30.559 Um, and then but the line club, it was the first like autoflour that I was like, dang, these things like these things got sweet potential. 03:09:30.719 --> 03:09:31.600 Uh yeah. 03:09:32.079 --> 03:09:33.120 A lot of flavor. 03:09:33.200 --> 03:09:33.280 Yeah. 03:09:36.719 --> 03:09:38.719 It's actually really cool to flavor and form. 03:09:39.040 --> 03:09:51.520 It's actually cool to be talking about this because I know Kelly, you were down at the farm working with some of these um as we were just getting them, or even before we were getting some of those genetics that uh was working with. 03:09:51.600 --> 03:09:56.159 And I helped plant the first ones and um get it going. 03:09:56.319 --> 03:10:09.840 We did like a massive open pollination project, and then it was like a huge, it was a huge undertaking, like figuring out even just like the separating of the seeds with all that. 03:10:10.319 --> 03:10:20.239 And um, because by the end of it, we ended up with like turkey bags that were like filled to the brim with seeds, and then we just kept going with that. 03:10:20.399 --> 03:10:26.399 So we we planted like within the garden, because the garden was a really open concept garden. 03:10:26.479 --> 03:10:34.639 Uh the garden is a really open concept garden, and it's not formal in terms of like um rows or anything like that. 03:10:34.799 --> 03:10:52.959 There's large plots, um, some with 12-foot centers for plants, and we would make space around the edges of the garden and on any slopes or hills that we could find for auto flowers, and just because they don't take up the same amount of space, we were able to do a lot at once. 03:10:54.959 --> 03:10:55.840 But yeah. 03:10:56.639 --> 03:10:57.360 I love that. 03:10:57.520 --> 03:11:05.600 It's really cool to hear that whole thing, and then to have those genetics then crossed with our genetics that we've been working with now for 28 years. 03:11:06.399 --> 03:11:51.520 So um really cool and uh just it's exciting, and I and I really think that Che really hit the nail on the head in saying that there isn't a lot of work um that has been done, you know, way in the past historically uh with these uh photo periods or autos, um, you know, the ruderalis dip into it because I have really been seeing some that are finishing even in mid-August in a lot of places that absolutely can compete um with the indoor and look like they're light dep or indoor and have the smell and aroma of the same thing. 03:11:51.600 --> 03:11:58.159 And I do believe that, you know, a lot of this is is year dependent. 03:11:58.239 --> 03:11:59.600 It is weather dependent. 03:11:59.680 --> 03:12:07.520 You know, weather dependence has a lot to do with how our terpenes are going to come out and how the crystal formation is gonna come out. 03:12:07.600 --> 03:12:24.159 And the more that we're able to breed for our zones and create terroir that um, you know, is accumulating those really dank trichomes that can stand up in later weather, you know, that's what we're going for. 03:12:24.319 --> 03:12:25.200 And I and I love it. 03:12:25.680 --> 03:12:27.040 The possibilities are endless. 03:12:27.360 --> 03:12:35.040 I'll just say we're really excited this year to work with a bunch of different hash varietals that are gonna be quicks and outdoors in our farm. 03:12:35.200 --> 03:12:45.680 So there's gonna be all kinds of different crosses from white thorn rose to well, it was to be a bag seed white thorn rose, which is important super important. 03:12:45.920 --> 03:12:51.840 Anyone who has a white thorn rose out there who's not working with a clone, it's bag seed. 03:12:52.239 --> 03:12:55.520 Buckleberry Hill, and it may or may not be. 03:12:55.680 --> 03:12:57.040 So that's just really important. 03:12:57.120 --> 03:13:02.559 And we got that really beautiful education from Rose and um just the other day. 03:13:02.639 --> 03:13:03.360 So that's important. 03:13:03.520 --> 03:13:05.440 An amazing, amazing strain. 03:13:05.680 --> 03:13:17.920 Everybody claims to have it, but it is a bag seed, and those guys are working really hard on trying to get it out as like clones and and put a real brand uh and license on that. 03:13:18.159 --> 03:13:26.799 So anyway, other a lot of different everything from papaya to you know how it is, cherries and stuff. 03:13:26.879 --> 03:13:28.159 So we we're we'll see how it goes. 03:13:28.719 --> 03:13:31.680 Wait, dude, I missed your guys' guava, strawberry guava. 03:13:31.840 --> 03:13:33.360 Remember that one from like three, four years ago? 03:13:33.440 --> 03:13:33.680 Were we? 03:13:34.159 --> 03:13:34.399 I know. 03:13:34.479 --> 03:13:35.040 Yeah, I know. 03:13:35.200 --> 03:13:41.040 That came out of Kush Kirk and Amanda from Garden Agrees in Southern Oregon. 03:13:41.520 --> 03:13:50.559 Um well, you know, we have this Starburst, which is really amazing, and we have a straw straw nana Starburst. 03:13:51.520 --> 03:13:59.840 And that's a super nice hybrid because the Starburst makes really spectacular hash. 03:13:59.920 --> 03:14:17.600 It's very, there's people that grow like super good Starburst in in California, and also it has that kind of translucent style trichomb hash as well, which that's what was really spectacular about the straw straw nana. 03:14:17.760 --> 03:14:21.200 It was like one of the first like super clear. 03:14:22.079 --> 03:14:34.719 And when we made rosin out of it, it was almost like it was clear, translucent, you know, and then it got milky and and it crashed, but it still almost had this just a really unique flavor. 03:14:34.799 --> 03:14:36.559 And I we don't still have it as a clean. 03:14:36.799 --> 03:14:48.639 Well, and it turns out that the Starburst grows really well up in the Kootenis, and now we're breeding with it, and we're just gonna definitely bring a lot of those uh banana and super fruity fruit joy. 03:14:48.719 --> 03:14:50.079 We've got some of that growing. 03:14:50.159 --> 03:14:53.040 Um we have a bunch of barbasses, that's what it was. 03:14:53.120 --> 03:14:55.760 There's a bunch of barb in the in those quicks. 03:14:56.159 --> 03:14:57.440 So there you go, Marcus. 03:14:57.520 --> 03:15:02.079 We got some barb going um on the outdoor style here. 03:15:02.479 --> 03:15:05.360 Weren't you part of some of the origination of that too, Marcus? 03:15:06.000 --> 03:15:11.120 No, no, I just was lucky enough to uh uh turn a bunch of it into nice hash. 03:15:11.280 --> 03:15:12.559 Oh, nice, yeah. 03:15:12.879 --> 03:15:22.000 Yeah, I definitely helped popularize it in the sense that uh the videos got a lot of views, like more so than really any of my videos have ever gotten. 03:15:22.159 --> 03:15:24.159 Green source, yeah, green source would have had. 03:15:24.399 --> 03:15:32.159 Yeah, and when I think about um the barb, I know that uh, you know, um the great gardener is also involved, but I know that you did help popularize that. 03:15:32.239 --> 03:15:35.840 It's nice to to know that it's coming back with the footnias and other forms. 03:15:35.920 --> 03:15:39.440 It went all the way around the world and now is is coming back. 03:15:40.000 --> 03:15:54.319 I think Barcelona with GWA, GWA and Fruit Joy with uh Grateful Seeds and Dank Grass Club and uh Barcelona won a bunch of a ton of bunch of awards with it. 03:15:54.479 --> 03:15:56.559 So it was kind of a barb. 03:15:57.120 --> 03:15:58.239 The barb was awesome. 03:15:58.399 --> 03:16:06.559 Kelly and I washed for the Great Gardener Farm, Kurt and Matt, and uh oh amazing returns, super, super melty. 03:16:06.719 --> 03:16:11.360 It was top three, I think, of anything I've ever watched actually is great genetic. 03:16:11.680 --> 03:16:13.760 The fruit joy was unreal. 03:16:15.200 --> 03:16:16.799 Yeah, that's really exciting. 03:16:17.120 --> 03:16:20.639 Yeah, I I always found the barb to me. 03:16:20.799 --> 03:16:23.840 What was really special about it was the shishkaberry. 03:16:24.000 --> 03:16:41.360 It was it was the most accurate transference of shishkaberry genetics to something that uh was almost completely shishkaberry, it was very shishkaberry oriented, except that it kind of tapered off with this peach-esque flavor profile that uh shishkaberry didn't nest. 03:16:41.600 --> 03:16:42.879 There were two shishkaberries, too. 03:16:42.959 --> 03:16:47.920 I and I, you know, Steve Breeder Steve is now doing his own podcast I see on YouTube. 03:16:48.239 --> 03:16:50.719 Uh, you can go check him out at Spice of Life Seeds. 03:16:51.040 --> 03:16:52.719 Uh, but he would know better than I do. 03:16:52.799 --> 03:16:56.879 But I think it was the yellow one that made the barb, uh, the yellow Afghan line. 03:16:56.959 --> 03:17:00.639 There was a yellow and a red, but I'm pretty sure it was the yellow. 03:17:00.879 --> 03:17:08.319 And um the the Nicole was the exact same way, which Allah Alessandro from Maremberos in Colombia used to have that. 03:17:08.479 --> 03:17:20.000 He would win legends, he would win, you know, all these events, dabadoos and whatnot, with that Nicole, who Ramon from uh I want to say compound, but I always get it wrong. 03:17:20.159 --> 03:17:20.559 Grounded? 03:17:20.639 --> 03:17:22.959 No, which one is Ramon Seed Company? 03:17:23.120 --> 03:17:24.719 Uh, he's in Barcelona as well. 03:17:24.879 --> 03:17:30.719 Anyway, he was the one that was making the static sift for uh of the Nicole. 03:17:31.040 --> 03:17:36.000 It was also a complete and total shishkaberry dominant cultivar. 03:17:36.079 --> 03:17:46.159 And shishkaberry, also, for any of you that don't remember my origin story, uh, I had tried the the two bag system multiple times and wasn't really impressed with it. 03:17:46.319 --> 03:17:48.479 No one I really knew was impressed with it. 03:17:48.639 --> 03:17:51.680 And Steve was like, Hey, you know, run some of this through there. 03:17:51.840 --> 03:18:15.520 And he gave me some shishkaberry, and from two bags, it basically came out as a full melt product, which was very surprising at the time, and it Really was kind of the only reason I really gave Waterhash a chance and thought, like, because it was the first time I was like, Oh, okay, because back then we just didn't know enough that when you ran, like, you know, five or six or seven things, you'd basically be like, Well, that's that's everything. 03:18:15.680 --> 03:18:20.319 I've ran everything through these bags, and none of it is is is is impressive. 03:18:20.399 --> 03:18:23.840 And and don't get me wrong, I didn't even know what I was looking for. 03:18:24.000 --> 03:18:27.760 No one said if you use these bags, you'll get hash that melts into a liquid. 03:18:27.840 --> 03:18:29.280 That wasn't even a thing yet. 03:18:29.440 --> 03:18:49.520 But the shishkaberry was exactly that, it turned into full melt bubble, uh, with the 190, 160, 120, 90, 70, like all of them in right down into the 73 bag, and it was still very melty, which uh from anyone that's ever made hash, you understand uh that that's a fairly big unicorn. 03:18:49.760 --> 03:19:01.680 And so um, I think plants like the shishkaberry and the skunk number one, there are like key plants that have like made donations to a wide variety of genetics. 03:19:01.760 --> 03:19:11.120 Skunkman Sam used to say he could tell if something had skunk number one in it just by the terpene profile graph from a gas chromatograph. 03:19:11.360 --> 03:19:13.760 Uh, he'd be like, Yeah, there's skunk number one in that. 03:19:13.840 --> 03:19:21.840 And you know, in his defense, skunk number one was in about 98% of Dutch genetics at the time of uh of it really becoming popularized. 03:19:21.920 --> 03:19:50.639 So yeah, having something special like uh the uh Selena Dyne uh dominant uh terpene in the white thorn rose, or you know, being able to create something or find something that is novel brings the value of a cannabis breeder uh uh towards their old factory, their ability to perceive these flavor profiles, because if you can't perceive them, uh it's gonna be pretty hard for you to discover them. 03:19:51.280 --> 03:19:59.360 And uh, I guess the Kootenies has always been a place that has had uh some pretty special expressions when it comes to cannabis plants. 03:20:01.040 --> 03:20:11.360 Um if you'd like to come and experience the expressions of the Kootenies, you should come in August, like the 7th through the 11th, right in there down to Rosebud Lake. 03:20:11.600 --> 03:20:14.719 Um, that's where the Rosebud Comparison Bowl is happening. 03:20:14.879 --> 03:20:19.600 And I don't know exactly, like I know you can be a VIP and get a full kit. 03:20:19.760 --> 03:20:21.200 Che, you might have to help me out. 03:20:21.360 --> 03:20:45.360 Um, but I do know that it's like a three-day camping event, and that event is like one of the reasons why I ended up here is because I was able to plug into this Kooteny culture and the feeling and the vibe and the nature and the people and and the weed, and it was just um completely and being able to experience the flavors. 03:20:45.600 --> 03:20:49.040 So um, I think that's one thing that people can get. 03:20:49.200 --> 03:20:54.479 If you can get Kooteny weed in your stores, you can experience the culture by smoking it. 03:20:56.559 --> 03:21:03.840 Yeah, we do um our Somolier program, and it actually comes with samples of really some of the best growers in the whole world. 03:21:04.479 --> 03:21:08.879 A little less than an ounce comes in there, and you go through each sample all blind and we grade them. 03:21:09.200 --> 03:21:14.879 But we allow anyone of legal age to do that, to be uh in the Somalier program. 03:21:15.680 --> 03:21:19.280 The reason is we really want real feedback from the consumers. 03:21:19.360 --> 03:21:22.479 Like these are the people that are actually buying our stuff in the stores. 03:21:22.879 --> 03:21:32.399 And I realize there's a gap between, you know, some of the really heady people like on this call, what they're after, and actually what the average consumer's after. 03:21:32.639 --> 03:21:39.360 So anybody can buy uh a normal ticket and add on uh the Somalier program to actually be part of that. 03:21:39.520 --> 03:21:43.360 And you end up we have a different bag that comes every year. 03:21:43.440 --> 03:21:50.639 You get your getting your Somalier package with all the information comes in the mail, and uh yeah, it's part of the experience. 03:21:50.719 --> 03:21:59.520 You come to the event and we do a big award ceremony and you meet the actual growers that grew it, and really like the the thing behind this all is improving our quality of lives. 03:21:59.760 --> 03:22:02.639 And so our growing community, and this is how this started. 03:22:02.879 --> 03:22:06.559 It's well that's great that you won, but now you gotta tell us how. 03:22:06.799 --> 03:22:07.840 What's your genetics? 03:22:07.920 --> 03:22:12.000 What did you differ than we did, and um how can we all grow better? 03:22:12.239 --> 03:22:28.879 And then that evolved into bringing in legal advice and people talking about marketing and and really like to support each other in this industry, and then also find those connections, that networking that happens when you're in the same room with your community, especially under like a festival setting. 03:22:28.959 --> 03:22:32.000 And for those of you who've been to festivals, maybe you know what I mean. 03:22:32.159 --> 03:22:37.040 It's kind of this magic thing that happens in the air and you bump into who you're supposed to bump into. 03:22:37.440 --> 03:22:40.159 So it's uh it's a pretty neat opportunity, I think. 03:22:41.520 --> 03:22:52.079 Uh the first year I was there, I met the the winner who had win the solventless, um, solventless rod, and it was 90 micron, and I asked him, I'm like, what do you do with your other microns? 03:22:52.239 --> 03:22:54.879 And he's like, I threw everything else in the garbage. 03:22:57.600 --> 03:22:58.879 It's too good. 03:22:59.360 --> 03:23:00.719 Like, but that's the culture here. 03:23:01.040 --> 03:23:03.360 It's like it's just something else. 03:23:03.440 --> 03:23:04.719 It was really funny. 03:23:09.120 --> 03:23:18.479 I have to say though, like being um so I'm making this documentary and I'm meeting all sorts of characters, and I last week I met this woman named Faith. 03:23:19.360 --> 03:23:34.639 And she is an indigenous woman, she lives in Washington State, she's of the Sinaix tribe, and there's no Sinaics in this region, even though this is like an unceded Sinaics territory with this little valley that I live in. 03:23:34.959 --> 03:23:45.520 And because the Sinaiaks um they used to travel back and forth from putneys down to the Spokane region um between seasons. 03:23:45.600 --> 03:23:47.120 So in the winter they'd be down there. 03:23:47.200 --> 03:23:53.920 Well, they were all down there in the winter time when the border was created over the winter, and they got stuck down there. 03:23:54.079 --> 03:24:00.719 So she can legally travel back and forth into Canada, but she's not allowed to reside in Canada. 03:24:01.200 --> 03:24:10.239 And her family down in Washington has been growing cannabis for over a decade now, legally, as part of Washington's legal program. 03:24:10.879 --> 03:24:16.959 And she has all sorts of opportunities to come up here, but she can't because of this. 03:24:17.040 --> 03:24:24.079 Like, she can travel up here, but she can't like grow up here, and she can't reside up here, so she can't be part of any licenses. 03:24:24.159 --> 03:24:30.719 So I'm like, that's such an interesting piece of this culture that um is just unsaid. 03:24:30.879 --> 03:24:42.639 It's just there's a whole bit of it that's really complicated in the Kootenis as far as the indigenous region and indigenous people as well, and how their story plugs into what's going on here. 03:24:42.799 --> 03:24:50.799 Because a lot of the cannabis that's being grown right now is also being put towards um the red market, as far as I know, as well. 03:24:50.959 --> 03:24:53.200 So that's an interesting side note. 03:24:54.479 --> 03:24:56.239 Not unlicensed, that's what I mean. 03:24:59.120 --> 03:25:08.000 Yeah, um and there has been three, you know, three big things that have happened here in the Kootenis. 03:25:08.559 --> 03:25:30.000 There was the that native and aspect, and then there was the Japanese prisoner camps, and then there is also the Duke of War prisoner camps, which they took people away from their families, and that just happened in New Denver, which is an hour from where all we all live, maybe two hours, whatever it is. 03:25:30.159 --> 03:25:31.600 But yeah, so I don't know. 03:25:31.760 --> 03:25:51.760 Yeah, there is some, there's a lot of uh interesting uh history in that way from people that were free roaming, autonomous, more like mountain, not really connected to the government style people wanting to just be left alone, but in the end kind of like got like forced together. 03:25:52.000 --> 03:25:52.639 But whatever. 03:25:52.719 --> 03:25:54.239 I'm I'm funneled into a system. 03:25:54.639 --> 03:26:03.360 Yeah, and and um and it is and it is a really important part of the cannabis culture up here, is the red market, is the indigenous culture. 03:26:03.520 --> 03:26:32.319 Um, I do believe they're pushing forward um a lot of pathways that Health Canada is going to be inevitably having to follow because they're realizing that the dollar is down those routes, um, as well as, you know, I'm hoping that um with that more of a free market um in the indigenous market, that that is going to just help guide the market. 03:26:32.479 --> 03:26:41.760 I believe that there's a lot of things that can be done better on both sides, um, education because Chay just kept talking about that, and I believe that it's just really huge. 03:26:41.920 --> 03:26:44.639 And I know that the Rose Bowl is going to be a massive. 03:26:44.799 --> 03:26:52.479 We're talking about festival, and he was mentioning the Sommelier, but there's a lot of education and panels that are going to be happening there. 03:26:52.719 --> 03:27:10.479 So people who are wanting to come and get educated on a lot of what we're talking about with the different markets that are here in British Columbia and Canada and talk specifically to the Kooteny Growers, going to be panels, workshops, all different kinds of things going on to address more of this. 03:27:10.559 --> 03:27:18.079 But I do, like you said, Pam, is a really uh big part of this whole discussion that we're just sort of mentioning at the end. 03:27:18.799 --> 03:27:24.319 I think Caleb and Dominic should definitely come up here in August to say, and you guys are welcome. 03:27:25.440 --> 03:27:28.559 Oh, I gotta hop off here and go do the rounds. 03:27:28.799 --> 03:27:30.639 Thank you so much for having me on. 03:27:30.799 --> 03:27:32.879 And uh yeah, much love to everyone else. 03:27:33.120 --> 03:27:34.639 Hey, thanks for coming out, Kelly. 03:27:34.719 --> 03:27:39.680 I'm not sure what the rounds are, but I'm quite sure it probably involves cannabis in some sort of a way. 03:27:40.239 --> 03:27:40.799 It does. 03:27:41.360 --> 03:27:42.879 Kelly, I just wanted to thank you. 03:27:42.959 --> 03:27:47.600 You know, you're always the guy behind uh the heaviest workloads. 03:27:47.840 --> 03:27:54.159 You know, you're always the guy that's putting in the extra energy and effort, not just for the community, but also for the plant. 03:27:54.399 --> 03:27:58.239 Like we see you, we appreciate you beyond words. 03:27:58.399 --> 03:28:05.680 Really producing an incredible uh products out of things that sometimes are marginal. 03:28:05.840 --> 03:28:13.440 Um, you guys have really done some incredible stuff, and I see you and the hours that you're putting in to bring up this community. 03:28:13.520 --> 03:28:13.840 Thank you. 03:28:14.079 --> 03:28:17.200 Yeah, you both are a huge reason why I'm in the Kootenis. 03:28:17.280 --> 03:28:21.040 So I'm eternally grateful for you all always. 03:28:22.799 --> 03:28:23.200 Love you. 03:28:23.520 --> 03:28:24.719 Much love, y'all. 03:28:25.280 --> 03:28:26.239 Bye, Kelly. 03:28:26.719 --> 03:28:27.840 Thanks, Kelly. 03:28:30.000 --> 03:28:31.680 Next on Hash Church. 03:28:32.479 --> 03:28:34.559 What's puffing on your bowl, Caleb? 03:28:34.639 --> 03:28:37.280 I feel like it's probably something exotic and delicious. 03:28:39.840 --> 03:28:44.799 I actually got this three strain flight from Ronskate. 03:28:46.799 --> 03:28:50.559 It has Harlem River Hayes number three. 03:28:51.840 --> 03:28:56.399 Holy Communion and Pineapple Piff. 03:28:57.200 --> 03:28:59.040 Pineapple Piff. 03:29:00.399 --> 03:29:01.680 What's that like? 03:29:02.639 --> 03:29:04.559 It's the fruitier of the bunch. 03:29:04.719 --> 03:29:15.680 The other ones are very much in like the carrot parsonic height and a hint of that straw guava we were talking about. 03:29:16.159 --> 03:29:18.559 Caleb pulls out a f a flight. 03:29:19.280 --> 03:29:22.000 He's like, the Kootenies needs flights. 03:29:22.319 --> 03:29:23.280 How cool would it be? 03:29:23.360 --> 03:29:24.639 A three-garden flight? 03:29:24.959 --> 03:29:26.559 Yeah, it helps tell the story. 03:29:26.879 --> 03:29:27.440 Right? 03:29:27.760 --> 03:29:31.600 Well the Kootenies has gotta bring Caleb to it, and then there will be flights. 03:29:31.920 --> 03:29:32.719 That's it, man. 03:29:34.879 --> 03:29:37.120 You guys both would do well to take a trip to the Kootenies. 03:29:37.280 --> 03:29:38.639 It's a very unique place. 03:29:39.040 --> 03:29:40.239 You're invited anytime. 03:29:41.200 --> 03:29:43.520 We have plenty of room at our farm. 03:29:44.239 --> 03:29:47.360 I will take you up on it for sure at some point. 03:29:47.520 --> 03:29:54.639 Um between here and August is the crunch time to can conclude the uh the project uh for me. 03:29:54.799 --> 03:30:00.159 So that timing might be really good, actually, for for me to celebrate. 03:30:00.239 --> 03:30:03.200 Uh I'm sure Carol would be stoked to get up there too. 03:30:03.920 --> 03:30:04.239 Nice. 03:30:04.639 --> 03:30:05.280 That would be awesome. 03:30:05.840 --> 03:30:14.559 I was one thing actually, before we move too much further on this, Pam, how's your access to uh leaves for juicing these days? 03:30:14.879 --> 03:30:16.959 Um, you know, it's the same as it's ever been. 03:30:17.040 --> 03:30:20.000 If I don't grow my own, I don't have access in general. 03:30:20.079 --> 03:30:22.239 So I'm growing my own and I have access. 03:30:22.479 --> 03:30:32.479 Um I have discovered recently there is one character down in California right now, Chris Boucher, I think his name is, that from Juice Tiva. 03:30:32.799 --> 03:30:37.680 He's growing 20 acres of hemp and turning it all into free-fried juice. 03:30:38.239 --> 03:30:44.079 Um so like there are some people doing some things with juice, but it's it's the same. 03:30:44.159 --> 03:30:47.200 I have to grow it myself and then preserve it over winter. 03:30:47.520 --> 03:30:51.680 But I'm like now I'm kind of hash in the winter and juice in the summer. 03:30:51.920 --> 03:31:03.520 So it is uh a seasonal product, and I think that's kind of like I eat seasonally as well, so I've kind of adapted my approach towards cannabis juice to be that as well. 03:31:03.680 --> 03:31:18.879 Like it's a springtime, summertime, fall sort of food, if you will, as opposed to something I consume all winter, but sometimes I'm craving it in the wintertime, so you know thanks for bringing it up because not enough people talk about juicing. 03:31:19.120 --> 03:31:25.840 So yeah, well, uh I mean I I remember uh your your journey. 03:31:26.000 --> 03:31:31.200 Uh others like Kevin Jodry was on it for for for a long time as well. 03:31:31.360 --> 03:31:37.680 Uh but uh yeah, that became the problem with legalization was access to leaves for juicing. 03:31:38.639 --> 03:31:41.280 It's definitely taking me to some interesting places. 03:31:41.360 --> 03:31:47.840 Uh one time I was at a Vimeo meeting and I'm just like sipping on my juice, and this guy's right across the room, and he's like, Hey, what's that? 03:31:48.000 --> 03:31:49.040 Is that cannabis juice? 03:31:49.120 --> 03:31:53.520 And I was like talking and there's this gentleman behind me, and he's like, What is that? 03:31:53.680 --> 03:31:55.520 And I'm like, Oh, it's just some cannabis juice. 03:31:55.680 --> 03:31:56.399 Would you like some? 03:31:56.639 --> 03:32:02.079 And um no, and so he starts we start discussing this, and here I just f met Dr. 03:32:02.239 --> 03:32:04.559 Ethan Russo by handing him juice. 03:32:04.799 --> 03:32:06.719 Oh, that was Ethan Russo, that's great. 03:32:07.040 --> 03:32:16.559 One of my favorite like it was my best way to meet him for sure, because we had like a rich conversation immediately, and it was just yeah, it's juice is taking me places. 03:32:16.719 --> 03:32:21.120 My next place, I think I'm gonna be in a room with Stewart at some point with juice. 03:32:21.680 --> 03:32:26.000 And I don't know what that looks like, but she needs to start juicing too. 03:32:26.639 --> 03:32:27.520 A room with who? 03:32:27.680 --> 03:32:29.680 Sorry, that Martha Stewart. 03:32:29.920 --> 03:32:31.120 Oh, Martha Stewart. 03:32:31.760 --> 03:32:32.559 Hell yeah. 03:32:34.319 --> 03:32:35.680 Yeah, she needs it. 03:32:37.280 --> 03:32:38.959 Everybody needs it. 03:32:39.360 --> 03:32:42.959 Everybody needs weed. 03:32:43.360 --> 03:32:46.079 Well, nice long hash church again this Sunday. 03:32:46.239 --> 03:32:47.920 Super stoked to talk Kootenies. 03:32:48.159 --> 03:33:10.319 We've got another half an hour, so we'll blast out any of the contacts you guys want to share or any future projects that you guys have going on in regards to you know staying alive and staying productive and you know successful in the in the Canadian cannabis uh industry here that we have going on. 03:33:10.399 --> 03:33:22.319 It's uh I'll I'll chime in and say that uh so smoker farms, we're known for for one strain, our master shallter, which I've been growing for well over 20 years now. 03:33:22.479 --> 03:33:26.000 We're uh we're we're changing things up a little bit here. 03:33:26.079 --> 03:33:30.479 Uh my buddy Jay from uh Okatokes that makes our vape carts. 03:33:30.959 --> 03:33:33.120 He's uh setting me up with some strains. 03:33:33.200 --> 03:33:41.600 We're getting sweat helmet, we're getting stinky fuel, which his strains he's grown for 20 years in the legacy market as well. 03:33:41.840 --> 03:33:44.959 Uh they're heavy hitters, just like my Master Kush. 03:33:45.040 --> 03:33:48.719 It's a unique, just a few very unique strains. 03:33:48.879 --> 03:33:51.040 So we're pretty excited, man, this year. 03:33:51.120 --> 03:33:54.719 We're gonna we're gonna be growing something a little bit different for the people, man. 03:33:54.879 --> 03:34:05.200 Um even though I know everybody just wants the Master Kush Ultra, we're gonna change it up a little bit and uh and throw caution to the wind and and and see what happens. 03:34:05.360 --> 03:34:12.399 Uh hopefully it works in my system of of the way I grow with it, growden and the Dositrones and all that. 03:34:12.639 --> 03:34:13.840 But I'm sure it will. 03:34:14.000 --> 03:34:17.040 I'm pretty confident in my my growing skills. 03:34:17.200 --> 03:34:19.600 But uh yeah, just trying to change it up a little bit. 03:34:19.680 --> 03:34:21.520 And like you say, it's survivability, man. 03:34:21.600 --> 03:34:24.879 It's uh it's it's a tough market for anybody, man. 03:34:25.040 --> 03:34:27.440 Survivability is very challenging. 03:34:28.000 --> 03:34:40.479 Um we all hope the rules are gonna change one day, but let's just be accurate and say they're probably not gonna change the powers that be, uh the government, they just want our tax dollars. 03:34:40.639 --> 03:34:44.239 They don't give a shit about anything else about us, man. 03:34:44.479 --> 03:34:47.600 And it doesn't matter what governments in place, really, man. 03:34:47.760 --> 03:34:52.479 Um, but yeah, grow, grow, grow and hope for the best, man. 03:34:52.639 --> 03:34:55.120 We're I'm a proud grower here in the Kootenies. 03:34:55.520 --> 03:34:59.680 Legalization happened and all the mom and pop places left. 03:34:59.760 --> 03:35:05.760 Uh everybody, the the dump here has been so full of used equipment for the last few years. 03:35:06.000 --> 03:35:11.200 It's sad to see that uh that everybody had uh pretty much shut down their business, man. 03:35:11.280 --> 03:35:15.760 Uh we're kind of the only ones in the West Kootenies here that that are still growing. 03:35:16.000 --> 03:35:17.520 Um I'm proud of it. 03:35:17.760 --> 03:35:27.840 We got about 250 years of legacy experience on our team that helps us uh with our crops, that helps us do everything we do, man, to put out our product, man. 03:35:28.079 --> 03:35:29.280 We're thrilled by it. 03:35:29.440 --> 03:35:32.079 But yeah, it's sad that we're the only ones around. 03:35:32.159 --> 03:35:36.799 I wish there was some other legal growers around us, but in Beaverdale, yeah. 03:35:36.879 --> 03:35:38.319 You're out in Beaverdale, right? 03:35:38.559 --> 03:35:39.680 We're right near Beaverdale. 03:35:39.760 --> 03:35:46.799 We're we're in terms, so it's remote eight minutes away from uh what they call the big town of Beaverdale. 03:35:47.120 --> 03:35:52.399 Um, but yeah, it's uh it's it sucks that I'm the only one that that that's done this. 03:35:52.479 --> 03:35:59.520 But we're we're I say we're in the middle of nowhere, but we kind of are, but it gives our makes our weeds special too. 03:35:59.600 --> 03:36:04.399 The terroir, the water, no chlorine, the well water, all of it, man. 03:36:04.479 --> 03:36:09.680 It uh it makes us as special as we can be, just like everybody else in the Koonies, man. 03:36:09.920 --> 03:36:16.559 Um we're all we're all playing with the same the same thing, man, which makes us very special, I think. 03:36:16.639 --> 03:36:20.959 And I I like to tell everybody that I'm from the Koonies where I am. 03:36:21.200 --> 03:36:23.280 Uh just everything about them, man. 03:36:23.360 --> 03:36:29.360 It's uh it's a natural living space out here, which makes great weed. 03:36:29.520 --> 03:36:32.879 Um we grow great weed because of it, all of it. 03:36:34.000 --> 03:36:35.840 How big is your team? 03:36:36.959 --> 03:36:40.799 I got about seven or eight people that I can call in the in the community. 03:36:41.040 --> 03:36:43.840 Um and nobody's full-time. 03:36:43.920 --> 03:36:46.239 The only full-time people are me and the wife. 03:36:46.319 --> 03:36:57.920 Uh, because we can't afford to have full-time people, but because we're a smaller mom and pop farm, there's not enough work uh to do all the time, except for me and me and the wife. 03:36:58.879 --> 03:37:00.799 But it's but it's I'm what did I say? 03:37:00.879 --> 03:37:06.559 I'm I'm 93 feet from my couch to my facility door uh and my grow, which is an amazing thing. 03:37:06.719 --> 03:37:08.319 I always wanted that. 03:37:08.959 --> 03:37:18.719 I grew here for 16 years before legalization, and it would I would have to drive two hours to get here and back to my home in Kelowna. 03:37:18.879 --> 03:37:20.719 Now I've got my grow right here. 03:37:20.879 --> 03:37:24.399 I have I have I have seats and tables and stuff in my rooms. 03:37:24.559 --> 03:37:33.360 I sit there, I just stare at my plants, I play on my phone a little bit, and I'm just like, wow, like this is just the most amazing place to be in my room. 03:37:33.680 --> 03:37:37.680 Cannabis, uh, the smells, just everything about it. 03:37:37.840 --> 03:37:42.479 Every time I come in the house, my wife tells me, Oh, you stink, and I'm like, no, I don't stink. 03:37:42.559 --> 03:37:44.799 That's an amazing smell of weed, man. 03:37:44.959 --> 03:37:49.120 Like my whole body is permeated with weed, which is perfect. 03:37:49.840 --> 03:37:51.760 I take the plant seriously, man. 03:37:51.920 --> 03:37:54.799 The plant is my life, it really is, man. 03:37:54.959 --> 03:38:04.159 And if if if anybody on the panel has got the trigger weed, man, I hope you have and I hope you've experienced going, man, this weed is grown with love. 03:38:04.559 --> 03:38:05.280 And it is. 03:38:05.600 --> 03:38:08.639 We have smoked it and we have we have met you. 03:38:08.719 --> 03:38:23.040 We haven't hung out a lot, but we we did we have come to the experience was memorable, and also the master cushion itself is a strain that we have like a lot of experience with historically out of Oregon and love it, you know. 03:38:23.120 --> 03:38:27.600 And I know that your the ultra is like even more like specific and special. 03:38:28.719 --> 03:38:36.479 Or uh yeah, ultra, but um anyway, but the master cush is a spectacular strain, and you really don't see it too much. 03:38:36.879 --> 03:38:37.920 You don't see it too much. 03:38:38.079 --> 03:38:43.840 I I brought this like I came into the market as a legacy guy, man, full, full legacy. 03:38:44.000 --> 03:38:50.000 The master kush altar is what I've predominantly grown now for the last over 20 years, man. 03:38:50.079 --> 03:38:55.760 Um, in the black market and the half-legal market, hiding behind the license, whatever. 03:38:55.920 --> 03:39:00.559 Yeah, it's it's it's it's a very unique strain and cultivar. 03:39:00.719 --> 03:39:09.200 My buddy bought these seeds at uh Oasis in in Kelowna, just a just a hydroponic store. 03:39:09.280 --> 03:39:11.440 There's no phenotyping back then. 03:39:11.680 --> 03:39:18.239 And he grew this, he gave me this little cut, and it's it's the most amazing weed I've ever grown. 03:39:18.319 --> 03:39:21.200 That's why I've I've devoted my life to this one strain. 03:39:21.280 --> 03:39:23.600 And a lot of people think, well, you're out of your mind, man. 03:39:23.680 --> 03:39:24.559 Like one strain? 03:39:24.639 --> 03:39:25.920 How are you ever gonna pull this off? 03:39:26.000 --> 03:39:30.319 And they told me at the beginning, oh no, you're gonna have to change up your strains every six months. 03:39:30.479 --> 03:39:36.799 The BCLDB told me, I'm like, no, I said I'm just gonna grow one strain and uh you guys are all gonna figure it out what it is. 03:39:36.879 --> 03:39:41.360 And uh it's it's become it's become an amazing strain. 03:39:41.600 --> 03:39:51.600 I've refined it so much more now, but I'm tissue culturing once or twice a year just to to make to make the strain as as as magical as it can be. 03:39:51.840 --> 03:39:55.760 But growing it for so many years now, I kind of know how to set up my room. 03:39:55.840 --> 03:39:58.639 I kind of know how to get the best out of my plant. 03:39:58.799 --> 03:39:59.680 Um, and yeah. 03:40:00.159 --> 03:40:01.920 If you've smoked a man, that's awesome, man. 03:40:02.239 --> 03:40:03.600 I couldn't be happier, man. 03:40:03.760 --> 03:40:07.360 But I know one thing about my weed, it'll never win contests. 03:40:07.520 --> 03:40:18.000 We put it in so many contest things, and it's just it, I don't, for some reason it doesn't win the contest, but the only real contest I want to win is a consumer. 03:40:18.239 --> 03:40:21.040 Our weed sells out every kind of where it goes. 03:40:21.120 --> 03:40:23.040 Uh, there's no RTVs. 03:40:23.280 --> 03:40:26.959 We're very happy, man, to put this product out and get it in people's hands. 03:40:27.120 --> 03:40:34.799 And we have medical people that tell us all the time, man, your your vape carts or your pre-rolls, they've they've helped my life so much. 03:40:35.040 --> 03:40:37.200 They get to the root of my issues that I have. 03:40:37.280 --> 03:40:38.799 And I'm like, well, that's amazing. 03:40:38.879 --> 03:40:43.360 And that's that's that's kind of why I grow, is is to hear those stories, man. 03:40:43.440 --> 03:40:51.600 And we hear so many of them, and it's it's an amazing thing to hear, man, when somebody tells you that what you do for a living helps my life. 03:40:51.680 --> 03:40:54.239 I'm like, holy shit, man, that's awesome, man. 03:40:54.879 --> 03:41:01.200 And it happens quite often to us, and we're we're blessed, man, but so proud to be part of the hootini collective, man. 03:41:01.360 --> 03:41:07.680 We're gonna tell the world the Kootenis grow some of the best weed, and we will continue to do that all day long. 03:41:08.399 --> 03:41:15.920 Um, I sell your weed at the store two days a week, and I love telling people that, oh, have you ever smoked this before? 03:41:16.079 --> 03:41:17.680 I'm like, this is grown by Jeff. 03:41:17.760 --> 03:41:18.879 He's over in Peaver Dove. 03:41:19.360 --> 03:41:22.639 This is so awesome, man. 03:41:22.799 --> 03:41:24.000 I love you for that, man. 03:41:24.079 --> 03:41:24.719 I do, man. 03:41:24.959 --> 03:41:30.000 And I I feel if people meet us and they see us that we're nice and happy. 03:41:30.079 --> 03:41:37.520 We grow, we grow really great weed, that maybe the levels of of stigmatism with weed will it'll come down a little bit. 03:41:37.680 --> 03:41:47.920 And that's it's kind of the reason I've I'm I'm I'm such a big Instagram or uh Twitter guy, always trying to push the limit to show people what we do, man. 03:41:48.079 --> 03:41:49.440 Weed's not that bad, man. 03:41:49.600 --> 03:41:50.959 Weed is okay. 03:41:51.280 --> 03:41:55.680 Um Health Canada is the one to listen sometimes, but that's okay. 03:41:55.840 --> 03:41:56.879 I deal with them. 03:41:59.200 --> 03:42:00.799 Thank you for selling her weed, man. 03:42:01.040 --> 03:42:01.920 Appreciate it, Pam. 03:42:03.760 --> 03:42:04.639 Awesome. 03:42:05.200 --> 03:42:08.159 What did I what sticker did I see when I was in Colorado? 03:42:08.239 --> 03:42:15.040 It was this mom and pop, and their stickers were our mom sells your mom weed. 03:42:16.399 --> 03:42:26.479 That was the sort of motto of their like, and it was this woman who was like a weed seller in it was like in way high up, like at 10,000 feet. 03:42:26.639 --> 03:42:36.239 I would say fair fair play, fair play, I believe was the little town where they based uh South Park out of pretty funny. 03:42:36.559 --> 03:42:37.520 Oh, that is funny. 03:42:38.079 --> 03:42:39.440 But thanks for sharing, man. 03:42:39.680 --> 03:42:40.319 Appreciate it. 03:42:40.639 --> 03:42:43.680 Definitely uh yeah, we're in the we're in the fight here. 03:42:43.760 --> 03:42:44.799 We're in the good fight together. 03:42:44.879 --> 03:42:51.760 I'll be joining you guys all here in this Canadian market here, uh, you know, hopefully in the next uh four or five months. 03:42:51.920 --> 03:42:58.239 But uh it is in what form uh in hash forms. 03:42:58.319 --> 03:43:11.600 We're working we've been doing a bunch of different um RD on all sorts of different hashes, traditional hashes, blonde hash, black hash, red Lebanese hash, you know, pure hash joints, uh hash hits, bubble hash. 03:43:12.079 --> 03:43:18.799 Um yeah, just in all the forms that hash um is made available. 03:43:19.360 --> 03:43:21.600 I would love to try your product one day, man. 03:43:21.680 --> 03:43:22.799 I absolutely would. 03:43:23.040 --> 03:43:24.959 Yeah, well, the next time we bump India. 03:43:25.120 --> 03:43:32.079 We'll uh Yeah, and and hey everybody, if you're ever driving by Beaverdale Karma area, man, give me the heads up. 03:43:32.239 --> 03:43:39.040 You're always welcome to come check out our farm, man, and uh we can roast a fatty at the same time, no problems, man. 03:43:39.680 --> 03:43:42.959 Ah, yes, the old roasting of the fatty. 03:43:43.280 --> 03:43:44.000 Oh, yes. 03:43:44.239 --> 03:43:45.280 That's so good. 03:43:46.239 --> 03:43:47.520 Roast a fatty. 03:43:47.600 --> 03:43:48.399 I love that, man. 03:43:48.559 --> 03:43:52.159 That is dog walker, is an actual thing here. 03:43:52.319 --> 03:43:54.959 It's a 3.5 gram joint. 03:43:55.760 --> 03:43:59.760 It's called a Kootenie Dog Walker, and it's yeah, it's ridiculous. 03:44:00.639 --> 03:44:01.360 I've never heard of that. 03:44:01.440 --> 03:44:01.840 That's funny. 03:44:01.920 --> 03:44:03.360 A Kootenie Dog Walker. 03:44:05.760 --> 03:44:07.600 That's the you guys should be branding that right there. 03:44:07.760 --> 03:44:08.559 Someone should be doing that. 03:44:08.639 --> 03:44:10.159 The Kooten Walker. 03:44:10.559 --> 03:44:11.440 I agree. 03:44:12.159 --> 03:44:14.239 A lot of meat in one joint, though. 03:44:14.959 --> 03:44:17.200 Health Canada might have a problem with this shit, though. 03:44:17.280 --> 03:44:18.799 That's yeah, that is the problem. 03:44:19.360 --> 03:44:26.399 I'm super into specializing in those kind of uh doobies and joints and doinks, whatever you want to call them, you know. 03:44:26.479 --> 03:44:28.000 I guess the donuts. 03:44:28.159 --> 03:44:32.239 There, there's the uh do you guys sell donuts or hash holes at your store? 03:44:32.399 --> 03:44:34.799 Does anyone I don't know if anyone asks some chirps army? 03:44:34.879 --> 03:44:35.600 What's up, Lorenzo? 03:44:36.159 --> 03:44:37.680 Donuts, yeah, nice. 03:44:38.000 --> 03:44:38.959 There it is. 03:44:41.200 --> 03:44:43.680 No one else saw it, so I better hold the donut up for them. 03:44:43.760 --> 03:44:46.399 I just bought my first pack of papers in like 28 years. 03:44:46.559 --> 03:44:47.440 Did I get a good one? 03:44:48.079 --> 03:44:49.520 Yeah, yeah, organic. 03:44:49.600 --> 03:44:49.920 That helps. 03:44:51.040 --> 03:44:51.360 Okay, good. 03:44:51.440 --> 03:44:52.959 Yeah, OCB is a good company. 03:44:53.040 --> 03:44:57.520 They do a lot of sponsoring of events as well that are crucial. 03:44:57.600 --> 03:45:01.600 And you know, I just I just roll my little haze joints, right? 03:45:01.680 --> 03:45:08.559 I'm just uh I just finished uh my last one was uh the Conroy from Chimera, which is the Congo crossed with the sweet skunk. 03:45:08.639 --> 03:45:17.520 That was lovely, and then I still got a little bit of that band-aid haze, and I'm just finishing up the uh the Tom Hill uh haze. 03:45:17.600 --> 03:45:20.399 So I just puff little pinners and it's just a nice vibe. 03:45:20.559 --> 03:45:23.840 I feel like if I want to get blasted, I just come take a quick dab. 03:45:24.559 --> 03:45:35.440 We're gonna style you out with our zellies, which is uh it's got the super lemon haze, it's got the jack, which is a uh haze, a lot of uh haze is in the jack. 03:45:35.760 --> 03:45:46.319 Heavy terpenaline, basically super high terpenaline, and then mixed with skunk-ish flavors, not skunk number one, but skunk-esque. 03:45:46.879 --> 03:45:49.600 Biolized your terpenoline. 03:45:50.000 --> 03:45:56.719 Yeah, I mean, we've been working with it since 2014, so it's what I love, so all the best things have it. 03:45:57.040 --> 03:46:08.959 We have a super good orange mango Mac, which is incredible crystals on that one, and also it's got that terpenaline-ish flavor, which Kelly loves. 03:46:09.360 --> 03:46:15.680 It actually got put to the back and hadn't hadn't really pulled it out and just pulled it out the other day. 03:46:16.000 --> 03:46:20.239 And opening up the bag literally ripped my face off with terpenaline. 03:46:20.319 --> 03:46:26.000 I feel like I had gotten like a poor, a skin pour bath from the terpenaline. 03:46:26.319 --> 03:46:27.840 So that's been really nice. 03:46:28.079 --> 03:46:36.239 It's it's so racy that it does help for me to like take a hit and then go run on a hike and come back. 03:46:36.559 --> 03:46:46.639 Another one was the the golden lemon juice, uh, was also a super nice one that um was also in that finished and the lemon shiv. 03:46:46.879 --> 03:46:51.120 The lemon shiv we liked a lot, and it was mixed with the Frenchies grapes. 03:46:51.200 --> 03:47:09.280 We've had a multi-year pure family regenerative kind of breeding project going on from Turp Wizard out in Michigan to Kirk down in the southern Oregon to Cha, uh, who's on here often, Russell, um, created Green Life Productions. 03:47:09.600 --> 03:47:24.159 Yeah, and and and we created the Frenchies grapes in in that, and then Cha create put put the Frenchies grapes in like Cheese Wiz Rice says, I have a cut of grateful zelly that I found in a seed pack from DEM that I love. 03:47:24.319 --> 03:47:26.079 We call her Valerie. 03:47:26.719 --> 03:47:30.399 Nice, which is also a good Jerry tune. 03:47:30.479 --> 03:47:32.319 I like Jerry's Valerie. 03:47:32.639 --> 03:47:37.040 I'm sure that it's named after that or somebody that they love, but I love that name. 03:47:37.440 --> 03:47:45.600 Give thanks, and there's a lot of good grateful breath crosses in there, which we have been selling a lot of, and we're gonna have more available. 03:47:45.760 --> 03:47:46.799 The magic dragon. 03:47:47.280 --> 03:47:51.040 We're actually gonna just to like give a shout out because people have been hitting us up. 03:47:51.200 --> 03:47:52.319 It's been so insane. 03:47:52.399 --> 03:47:53.600 We have so much stuff going on. 03:47:53.680 --> 03:48:00.079 I can't even keep up, and the timelines and the time is shrinking, and everybody's feeling it, whatever is going on. 03:48:00.239 --> 03:48:15.920 Um, we're gonna have a big auction next week online on Instagram, and we're just gonna get rid of all of the amazing seeds that we made last year and past years, and just get it out to the people. 03:48:16.079 --> 03:48:18.239 So that is gonna happen. 03:48:18.559 --> 03:48:24.639 And just that we'll we'll just keep telling people because it's been hard to get out all of our seeds. 03:48:24.959 --> 03:48:26.959 The magic dragon is super nice too. 03:48:27.040 --> 03:48:40.399 It's the dragon's fist papaya, and the dragon's fist is super crystally freaky, and the papaya is well known and amazing, and then mix that into that kind of terpenaline. 03:48:40.479 --> 03:48:46.479 So we've been trying to make the terpenaline zelly hashable. 03:48:46.719 --> 03:48:50.959 Yeah, we're trying to be super hashable. 03:48:51.440 --> 03:48:53.520 Thank you, Caleb, for noticing that. 03:48:55.120 --> 03:49:06.879 So that's what a lot of those grateful breath crosses are and stuff, which is a grateful grape kind of coming out of the uh early gauge green genetics. 03:49:07.120 --> 03:49:08.799 There was a lot of, and then Mr. 03:49:08.959 --> 03:49:12.399 Spliff in in Seattle did some work with it. 03:49:12.479 --> 03:49:16.079 And we got we got 10 more minutes to like get lit. 03:49:16.159 --> 03:49:23.200 So I think everyone that is going to should uh engage unless you're already discombobulated enough. 03:49:23.280 --> 03:49:28.159 But if you're not, so some of the quicks we're gonna work with this year is the moonbow. 03:49:28.399 --> 03:49:46.079 You know, we have like a bunch of crosses of moonbow from Archive Fletcher, and then crossed with uh Black Dog, which is Bio Vortex, but through Green Source Gardens with Nick and Liz, and then the pineapple runs, the banana daddy, and and a few others. 03:49:46.239 --> 03:49:48.719 So look for those, Che, when you come over. 03:49:48.879 --> 03:49:52.079 Be ready for that when you the banana daddy, hey? 03:49:52.319 --> 03:49:52.959 Yeah. 03:49:55.280 --> 03:49:56.000 Grape gag. 03:49:56.319 --> 03:49:58.559 I'm about to give it grape gag. 03:49:58.879 --> 03:49:59.760 I pulled out the ship. 03:49:59.840 --> 03:50:01.920 I haven't puffed on my mothership in so long. 03:50:02.079 --> 03:50:12.000 My buddy Brian from D Nell sent me this like glass cleaner that you just soak in water and it cleans out like water stains and made my mothership look brand new again. 03:50:12.159 --> 03:50:17.520 So I am stoked to uh rip it with you guys. 03:50:18.879 --> 03:50:23.280 I'm rocking the Master Cush Ultra vape here, as you can see. 03:50:23.440 --> 03:50:27.760 The color, just beautiful honey oil, CO2 extraction. 03:50:28.719 --> 03:50:29.120 Thanks. 03:50:29.520 --> 03:50:34.639 And shout out to Drake in Southern Oregon for the genetics on those that we're working with. 03:50:35.040 --> 03:50:42.399 Yeah, Drake's amazing, and uh Shepard down in Southern Oregon, and there's a some really big pheno hunts going on at the end of the day. 03:50:42.639 --> 03:50:46.079 And huge shout out to Tara Lee, yeah, girlfriend. 03:50:46.559 --> 03:50:47.440 Thanks, Mule. 03:50:47.760 --> 03:50:51.520 Yeah, she's she's holding it down in central Washington. 03:50:52.079 --> 03:50:54.000 Umatche? 03:50:54.719 --> 03:50:56.559 No, she's in Moses Lake. 03:51:01.280 --> 03:51:08.479 She's been helping upholding, making sure that uh people are getting the genetics that they need to, so it's been really great. 03:51:11.680 --> 03:51:13.520 I'm grinding up some Durbin. 03:51:15.840 --> 03:51:25.440 Kevin Kevin Jodry grew in his backyard, uh his front yard, uh, as part of his what he can do in Southern Humboldt. 03:51:25.600 --> 03:51:28.559 Uh hell yeah. 03:51:29.040 --> 03:51:35.360 I gave Kevin some I gave Kevin some Congo one time when he was in Canada, and I asked him a couple weeks later when he was back home. 03:51:35.440 --> 03:51:36.559 I was like, how was that, dude? 03:51:36.639 --> 03:51:44.719 He's like he's like, Mark, let me tell you, I was in the cab, and I wish I could jump out of the cab and run next to the cab all the way to the airport. 03:51:45.200 --> 03:51:47.680 I was like, dude, that is awesome, actually. 03:51:47.840 --> 03:51:51.840 Like that's epic, as everything is that seems to come out of your mouth. 03:51:52.000 --> 03:51:54.559 Uh, I just like the way he says things. 03:51:54.719 --> 03:51:59.600 He's just uh he's a funny guy guy, and he's he's a funny guy. 03:51:59.920 --> 03:52:01.920 Uh you were camping next to you for that. 03:52:02.000 --> 03:52:07.920 You had the plants in your camp and you were styling people out to where people were like, seriously? 03:52:08.159 --> 03:52:10.479 When I was given like the Congo plants away and stuff? 03:52:10.639 --> 03:52:16.879 Yeah, they were like, Wait, you just show up with like Congo, like oh no, don't no big deal. 03:52:16.959 --> 03:52:20.000 Here's a golden globe award winner or whatever. 03:52:20.159 --> 03:52:22.959 Just you know, was that the unicorn cup, right? 03:52:23.040 --> 03:52:24.799 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 03:52:24.879 --> 03:52:28.799 Because that was Ron wouldn't let me come without plants. 03:52:28.959 --> 03:52:30.239 He was like, You gotta bring some plants. 03:52:30.319 --> 03:52:31.600 I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? 03:52:31.680 --> 03:52:35.920 He's like, he's like, imagine you could have them around your tent and you could give them away. 03:52:36.000 --> 03:52:38.639 And I'm like, I'm like, actually, that's pretty awesome, dude. 03:52:38.719 --> 03:52:39.840 Yeah, yeah, I'll take some plants. 03:52:39.920 --> 03:52:47.120 So I took like eight plants from his house and uh put and then he was like, Next year, I want to bring like huge plants. 03:52:47.200 --> 03:52:49.920 I want to have like 10 footers that we bring in a truck. 03:52:50.000 --> 03:52:51.840 And I'm like, well, just calm down, Ron. 03:52:51.920 --> 03:52:52.559 Like, just a second. 03:52:52.639 --> 03:52:54.719 Like, I think the I think the clones were cool. 03:52:54.879 --> 03:53:02.639 And I think personally, what an amazing way to promote a genetic exchange that and you can steal this if you like, Che. 03:53:03.200 --> 03:53:11.200 You invite people, all the people that are gonna camp, to bring clones to put outside of their tent with the name on it, and then you can just trade it out. 03:53:11.280 --> 03:53:13.680 You can, like, hey, I'm gonna get this, I'll give you that. 03:53:13.760 --> 03:53:17.760 I'll tell you the guys that I gave the Congo to could were in absolute disbelief. 03:53:17.920 --> 03:53:20.000 They'd been looking for it for several years. 03:53:20.239 --> 03:53:21.680 They truly wanted this cut. 03:53:21.760 --> 03:53:25.440 I remember talking to the guy, he's like, Oh man, I would do anything for the Congo. 03:53:25.520 --> 03:53:28.079 And I just like, I was like, Oh, yeah, and I walked away. 03:53:28.239 --> 03:53:34.319 And he was talking to someone else at the time, and I just came back and I patted him on the shoulder and I said, Here you go. 03:53:34.479 --> 03:53:35.520 And he goes, What's this? 03:53:35.680 --> 03:53:36.719 And I said, It's the Congo. 03:53:36.799 --> 03:53:42.239 You said you wanted the Congo, and he was just like, What are you talking about? 03:53:42.319 --> 03:53:43.760 Like, he was like, I was there for that. 03:53:43.920 --> 03:53:45.200 I was sitting in the chair right there. 03:53:45.680 --> 03:53:46.719 Is that how it happened? 03:53:47.120 --> 03:53:48.719 Yeah, that's exactly how it happened. 03:53:48.959 --> 03:53:51.040 And I saw the shock on his face. 03:53:51.520 --> 03:53:55.440 Yeah, I thought he was gonna like all the blood drained from his face. 03:53:55.600 --> 03:53:56.559 You could just like see it. 03:53:56.639 --> 03:54:05.200 He was just well, you could see the history of people not sharing the Congo with him, is really all I saw. 03:54:05.360 --> 03:54:08.000 I thought I saw the pain on his face. 03:54:08.159 --> 03:54:09.680 He's like, Oh, I've been trying to get the Congo. 03:54:09.760 --> 03:54:12.879 I'm like, Well, who wouldn't give you the Congo, dude? 03:54:13.040 --> 03:54:15.040 Like, shout them out from the mountaintops. 03:54:15.120 --> 03:54:16.319 Like, I'll give it to you right now. 03:54:16.479 --> 03:54:19.600 I didn't say that because I wanted to surprise him and just be like, Oh, you wanted the Congo? 03:54:19.680 --> 03:54:20.639 And then I just walked away. 03:54:20.799 --> 03:54:23.680 He probably thought I was being rude, but I came back. 03:54:23.760 --> 03:54:24.639 I went through the plants. 03:54:24.719 --> 03:54:34.000 I remember I went to my tent and I looked through the plants and I found the Congo because I can't even remember what other ones I had there, but they were all like loved by Ron. 03:54:34.159 --> 03:54:40.239 I mean, the vibration of getting the Congo from me really, but from Ron. 03:54:40.399 --> 03:54:49.280 Like he grew that plant, he cared for that plant, he loved that plant, and uh he made me take it to basically find someone to give it to in the first place. 03:54:49.440 --> 03:54:50.879 So, really, it all goes to Ron. 03:54:50.959 --> 03:54:56.879 I just got to be, I just got to be like the vessel in which it was transferred, which was wonderful. 03:54:57.040 --> 03:55:02.959 But I did tell Ron another good thing that came out of that weekend was the Hawaiian haze from our friend Chad. 03:55:03.280 --> 03:55:09.360 He grows a really beautiful Hawaiian haze, and I remember you uh smoking it and being really stoked. 03:55:09.760 --> 03:55:11.600 Shadow, that is amazing, yeah. 03:55:12.239 --> 03:55:14.319 It's holding down that that uh strain. 03:55:14.719 --> 03:55:21.280 I mean, Hawaiian and haze in one word is just like isn't that a happy place that sometimes you go to? 03:55:21.760 --> 03:55:25.280 That's where our zellies came from was North Shore of Kauai. 03:55:25.520 --> 03:55:39.280 It was from the surfer, painter, artist collective, growing in the trees, up on the jungle, being careful of getting busted, and it was a super lemon haze Hawaiian god bud. 03:55:40.479 --> 03:55:45.520 I am going to let something out of the bag there a little bit, just a little bit. 03:55:46.319 --> 03:55:47.280 A little bit out of the bag, yeah. 03:55:47.440 --> 03:55:48.319 1256. 03:55:48.559 --> 03:55:56.319 I want to first thank the sponsors, thank Bubble Bags, thank Press Club, thank Puffco uh for just being awesome supporters and promoters. 03:55:56.479 --> 03:56:00.559 I wish I had time today to give something away from the press club because they're so generous. 03:56:00.719 --> 03:56:09.120 They've got these double bagged bags that they're doing right now, and a bunch of their static free uh 3D printed funnel that I really like. 03:56:09.280 --> 03:56:13.040 Um, they're just putting energy into hash making tools, and I love that. 03:56:13.200 --> 03:56:30.239 Um, but really what I wanted to mention was I wanted to shout out, shout out uh both Bike and James, uh, who have just out of nowhere reached out to me and said, Hey, uh, we'd like to create a database for all the hash church episodes to make it searchable. 03:56:30.479 --> 03:56:33.760 Every show will be transcribed, and that's kind of how it started. 03:56:33.840 --> 03:56:37.520 And it's turned into this like I can't even explain what they've done. 03:56:37.680 --> 03:56:41.120 Like, I will share it once it's done, but it looks incredible. 03:56:41.280 --> 03:56:49.600 It's got bios and photos of the regulars and all of the guests and the full breakdown on the shows, and they're starting to transcribe everything. 03:56:49.840 --> 03:56:57.840 Uh, this is really going to make everything that we've shared on Hashchurch for the last 10 plus years um accessible. 03:56:58.079 --> 03:57:06.159 And uh it'll be you'll be able to aggregate this data in a way that is uh maybe more meaningful and easily easier to access. 03:57:06.239 --> 03:57:17.280 Uh, and just in a more powerful way, maybe this information that everyone has chosen to share on this show over the last decade plus will be able to really be used in an incredible way. 03:57:17.440 --> 03:57:30.319 And so I gotta give those guys a shout out because uh there's a forum in there that they've got, like a hash forum, there's a blog, you know, there's a full links to all the podcasts on the top bar. 03:57:30.559 --> 03:57:42.799 You know, there's links for cannabis education, industry legends, over a decade of content, all the latest episodes, you know, the cannabis podcast that goes deep, kind of a little listen now area. 03:57:43.040 --> 03:57:46.639 Uh, the the history of it, how it's got started. 03:57:46.959 --> 03:57:49.200 Um what's this website? 03:57:49.440 --> 03:57:56.879 This is a website that has been created for me by two of my friends that is going to help blow it's not live though. 03:57:57.040 --> 03:58:03.120 It's not live right now, but if you want, I will send you the private link and the password so you can look at it. 03:58:03.280 --> 03:58:07.360 But yes, they they you know, I'm probably even they wouldn't mind if I shared it. 03:58:07.440 --> 03:58:09.760 But yeah, there's like people who show up every week. 03:58:09.920 --> 03:58:10.959 You're in there, Caleb. 03:58:11.040 --> 03:58:16.000 You're right like below Etienne and right next to Fletcher, who somehow looks like Larry Bird. 03:58:16.239 --> 03:58:17.680 I'm sure there's a reason for that. 03:58:17.920 --> 03:58:21.920 But a bunch of different blog posts, hundreds of episodes start anywhere. 03:58:22.000 --> 03:58:32.479 So you can go into browsing the episodes, you can go into the search function, and what should be able to happen is anything you want to punch in, the name of a disease, the name of a person, the name of whatever. 03:58:32.639 --> 03:58:39.920 It's gonna be like boom, transcribed, and you'll be able to search it, find the episodes that it came up in at the times that it came up in. 03:58:40.079 --> 03:58:44.079 Uh, it's gonna be really fucking tremendous oral history resource. 03:58:44.399 --> 03:58:45.680 Tremendous, dude. 03:58:46.000 --> 03:58:48.239 Tremendous, it's ridiculous. 03:58:48.479 --> 03:58:48.879 Wow. 03:58:49.040 --> 03:58:54.159 Like the guy just they reach out, hey man, like we want to uh we want to do something for you. 03:58:54.319 --> 03:59:02.879 I'm like, listen, first of all, you're not doing this for me, you're doing this for an entire community, which is what they truly that's where they're coming from. 03:59:03.040 --> 03:59:07.040 They want to do it for me, they want to do it for the community, they want to be a part of Hash Church. 03:59:07.120 --> 03:59:11.840 They're like, they see a spot that's been left as a gaping hole, and they're like, you know what? 03:59:12.000 --> 03:59:22.079 Like, all we have to do is do this, and we just plug that hole in, and now we're a huge part of this entire decade-long epic educational information database. 03:59:22.239 --> 03:59:23.840 It's like, yeah, yeah, exactly. 03:59:24.000 --> 03:59:25.840 Yeah, you will be front and center. 03:59:26.000 --> 03:59:36.000 I was telling them the other day, oh, I'd really love to do like a you know, like a uh uh an honorary, pay homage to the skunk man Sam, to the Wade Laughter, you know. 03:59:36.239 --> 03:59:37.840 Of course, yeah, anything you want. 03:59:38.000 --> 03:59:40.319 You know, these guys are absolutely incredible people. 03:59:40.399 --> 03:59:42.799 So I wanted to take this time to shout them out. 03:59:42.879 --> 03:59:50.799 Uh, and eventually I'll get them up on the show if they're willing to, and we'll talk about this work that they've done because uh I'm just blown away. 03:59:50.879 --> 03:59:56.079 I've had people reach out over the years and offer to help, but I've never seen something come together as fast as this. 03:59:56.319 --> 04:00:04.799 And uh just the idea of it and the concept of it is the perfect time to aggregate all that is Hash Church into one spot. 04:00:05.120 --> 04:00:07.520 And uh I want to thank them for doing it. 04:00:07.600 --> 04:00:10.799 It may it makes uh it's a big deal to me and to the community. 04:00:10.959 --> 04:00:17.840 So shout out to you guys and shout out to the Kootenies and to Pam and Mike West for setting this up, uh, and to Dr. 04:00:17.920 --> 04:00:20.559 Tracy Harvey, who is uh a big part of it as well. 04:00:20.639 --> 04:00:22.719 We'll have to get her onto Hash Church one of these days. 04:00:22.799 --> 04:00:26.559 She should have probably been on this episode, but next next time we'll invite her. 04:00:26.639 --> 04:00:27.760 You invited her, obviously. 04:00:28.719 --> 04:00:29.440 Of course. 04:00:29.680 --> 04:00:31.600 Um, so yeah, it's it's great. 04:00:31.760 --> 04:00:46.479 Let's do another part to the Kootenis here in the near future and uh get some other folks out and discuss what we can do to make cannabis a uh you know a more successful mission here in uh as an industry at least, as well as you know, a community. 04:00:46.639 --> 04:00:51.200 They're both two separate things, but they get intermingled quite often. 04:00:51.440 --> 04:00:56.479 So thank you all for um for coming and sharing. 04:00:56.639 --> 04:01:04.159 And uh thank you, Skunkman Sam, for being the inspiration, still to this day, every day, for inspiring me and so many others. 04:01:04.559 --> 04:01:07.200 Uh Hash Church wouldn't be uh what it was. 04:01:07.440 --> 04:01:13.680 Most of what I'm excited about is a lot of what Skunkman Sam said over the years in Hash Church. 04:01:13.760 --> 04:01:16.959 Don't get me wrong, it's a tremendous resource, what all of us said. 04:01:17.280 --> 04:01:25.040 But the pinnacle and the tip of that iceberg, the majority of that is definitely what Skunkman Sam shared on all those years. 04:01:25.200 --> 04:01:26.399 And now it's not lost. 04:01:26.479 --> 04:01:29.360 It's gonna be we're gonna be able to bring it together. 04:01:29.520 --> 04:01:37.760 So uh thank you, Dominique and Caleb, for coming out from Cali, Smoker Farms and Dragonfly Earth Medicine, Pam and Mike, uh Colin. 04:01:37.840 --> 04:01:41.520 I know you're sick in bed right now with a brutal flu, but uh shout out to you, homie. 04:01:41.680 --> 04:01:42.479 I hope you're feeling better. 04:01:42.559 --> 04:01:44.079 Give a squeeze to the family. 04:01:44.239 --> 04:01:47.040 Uh, and thank you, Etienne, for popping on as as well. 04:01:47.120 --> 04:01:47.600 And Dr. 04:01:47.680 --> 04:01:53.280 Mark, who's traveling today in between uh probably some super awesome scientific conference that he was at. 04:01:53.440 --> 04:01:59.760 Uh, and bingo Lombardi for holding it down and everyone in the chat that spends uh their days with us on these Sunday mornings. 04:02:00.559 --> 04:02:01.040 Thanks. 04:02:01.200 --> 04:02:03.680 May the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later. 04:02:03.920 --> 04:02:05.520 I think that's it. 04:02:05.840 --> 04:02:06.879 Peace out, everybody.