Hash Church Season 12 Episode 14 Skully Vibes Episode

jOIn us for another incredible episode of Hash Church> Where we have colorado local artist Skully Vibe drawing with us the entire episode. We are also joined by Jack and Stuart, Terpsoveryields/Miner Melts.. Nick from Portal Provisions, Kyle from the Reserve. which we discuss , his space and the projects we have planned for it in Denver. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:03

Alright, Easter Sunday. Easter Sunday, live hash church popping up. Alright, I just about uh well let's wait. Oh I see what we gotta do. I see what we gotta do. We gotta go in here. We gotta hit this go live button. I keep forgetting about the go live button. So I'm recording right now, but we're not live yet. So here we go. Going live. Never lets you know exactly when you're live. So let me just uh give it another 30 seconds or so. We'll see it go live here soon. Are we live? Are we live?

SPEAKER_05 0:44

Are we live? Tell me if we're live. Oh, perfect.

SPEAKER_04 0:50

There it is. Welcome everyone to Hash Church. Uh season 12, episode 14. Pretty stoked on this. Let me see. Oh, there we go. Just gotta find all the there it is. There it is. Sorry, I have like five different YouTube chats open, and so the audio comes through. But uh I'm really excited about today's episode. I damn near made a serious mistake. I just put my jar on top of my universal heater to heat up my bubble so I could pour it out onto um a jar. And man, I damn near boiled this shit to nothing. Got it a little darker than it should be, but this is not rosin, this is full melt bubble. So we're gonna be enjoying that for the show today. And then in the meantime, we're gonna shout out our sponsors, and then I'm gonna let a bunch of people into the room who are waiting right now. So let's start with here we go, bappa da beep bop. These guys are probably like, hey, I'm in the room, let me in.

SPEAKER_05 1:57

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You can support the brands that built the culture by visiting www.bubblebag.com and explore our extraction bags and accessories and keep our solventless traditions alive. You can uh use the code HashCurch10 and get yourself a little discount over there as well, even though those bags are like 50% off right now. I keep saying this. Uh, we've really cut the price of the bag. So let's get these folks in here. We got seven people waiting, and uh I'm going to be letting them in. Today is obviously a Colorado-based show. We got a ton of cool folks from Colorado. Scraped the 90U bag, the Colorado 90U bag for the high quality. And uh this is what I came up with. So pretty excited to uh have you guys all in the room here today. Stoked to see Scully do some drawing. Uh, stoked to see Kyle talk a little bit about the reserve, a new program that we have going. Um, and just yeah, you know, got uh Kay from in-house. We got Jack. I think Stuart's showing up from Minor Melts. Maybe he's in the house already. There he goes. Awesome, really good. Nick's in the house from uh Portal Provisions. We got Woolley Farmer in the uh in the chat room saying that he's known uh Nick since uh for 13 years, so he's stoked to uh hear what you got to say, Mr. Portal Provisions. All right, wonderful Scully Vibes, you're in the house. How are you doing, buddy? Hey, good morning. I'm doing good. How are you? I'm doing good, man. I'm uh we're gonna figure out how we're gonna set this up. I think we can do an in like side-by-side mode where we share your screen, we put it up, and then we'll be in the screen next to it. And that way, oh, I I I like I like the idea of you being able to uh you know draw live and we're not like cutting away uh constantly. But uh, I think before we get to that, it would be cool to get a little uh little uh introduction from you, Mr. Scully Vibes. I met Scully at uh at Kyle's incredible place, which we'll be talking about here in the near future, the reserve, which is a super top-tier uh I mean, really, it's his it's his spot, it's where he's living, but it's also this incredible um event space. I don't even want to call it an event space. It seems like that's below the space itself, but we'll get into the space in a little bit. That's where I met Scully. Uh, and I had this idea really just about a week or two ago. I thought I was I was reminded of the old school Sound Tribe Sector 9 concerts. And I think some other bands did it as well, where they just have some psychedelic artists sitting on the stage painting, you know, a painting over the course of the concert. And I thought, man, that is a cool concept to really sort of and I did it a little bit back in the day. If for those of you that collected glass, you might know I had a uh a website called Full Melt Bubble. Um, I can't really remember what year that was, maybe 05, 06, 07 or something. It was kind of after I closed my gallery, the melting point. But I've always had this insistent urge to promote artists and really to promote glass artists because glass and hash go together like peanut butter and jelly. And I'm a sucker for a good peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And so um I allowed my gallery, uh, sorry, my online website, Full Mel Bubble, to be used uh as a free place for glassblowers to buy and sell glass. So it was kind of like a flea market for glassblowers on this site. Um, so I've always kind of had that connection. I think that it's a really cool idea uh to be able to have you on here today and doing your thing. But first and foremost, tell us a little bit about uh yourself, how you got into this art forum and sort of what tied you in uh to the cannabis uh community.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Oh, thank you. Uh so I actually started out working in the cannabis community in dispensaries in 2016. Uh and I was uh the GM of like a larger dispensary here in Denver uh for like six years. And man, I just saw how much uh love the cannabis community showed artists the entire time. It was always something that I I'd done as a little bit as a hobby. I was always drawing cartoons and uh doodling and sketchbooks, but not really something that I'd considered as like a career. I thought I was gonna be a dispensary manager and that was gonna be it for the rest of my life. Uh and you know, I I filled up the whole office with uh with comics and stuff all over the walls, and people kept coming in and telling me, hey man, these are these are pretty good. You should uh you should consider doing these a little bit more legit. Uh so I I started a collection uh called the Smoking Skulls, where I drew 710 different skulls, um and they all kind of sold over the course of a year, and I was like kind of shocked. I didn't realize that I could make money doing art. Um and I had a little bit of a heart to heart with my boss and myself, and uh I went full-time in 2022, and yeah, I don't know, the rest is kind of history. I've been drawing as much as I can, um, collabing with uh people, people that I mess with in town, and really just trying to like bring a good positive vibe to the community and and put out artwork that people really connect with and that I connect with shows who I am.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Fuck yeah, that's what's up, dude. I remember you actually mentioning that you had worked at dispensaries. Um great kind of start to get in and fall into the art world. Um, while you were talking, I realized that uh for some reason a lot of what people are posting in the chat room now are like, I don't know if it's like a timing thing, but 80% of what people are uh posting in the chat room uh is is being blocked. So yeah, you might want to reset the chat if you need to. Um anyone, you can just reset it by you know opening the page again and hopefully we can get that working because uh yeah, there's always like two or three or four hundred people watching live that are gonna uh you know want to keep chatting. And if that uh if they're not able to, that will muck us up uh definitely a little bit for sure. Uh how are you doing, Kay? You were showing some niceness over there. What's going on with you, man? You got all sorts of shit coming out.

SPEAKER_09 11:46

Yeah, we got a whole bunch of stuff, man. Um, thank you so much for having us on the channel, Bubble Man. Really appreciate your time. Always have the most respect for you. Been following you for shit. It's probably been 15 years now, man. So um, yeah, man, it's been it's been really fun, but I appreciate you having us. And yeah, just excited to be here. What's up, everybody? What's up, Portal Provisions? What's up, Miners Melts? What up, Turps Over Yields? What up, Scully? Um, yeah, we have a lot of stuff coming here in the future, but uh, but yeah, we're a rec hash company here in Colorado, so and on med shelves too. So uh we have a lot of stuff happening, a lot of things coming, uh, a lot of things that are um that we're excited to announce. Um, however, you know, uh just grateful to be here.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

Hell yeah, dude. That's what's up. Well, you know what? I kind of well, I would say I handpicked you guys, but Kyle definitely helped handpick you guys. I just wanted a representation of, you know, some of the best that are doing it in Colorado. Obviously, I've entered the the fray of the Colorado market here in the last uh, I guess, year or a little less that we've been operational. But uh I just thought that um as always, what a cool thing to do instead of be competitive, like uh figure out collaborations, figure out ways to promote the brands in Colorado that I'm the most stoked uh about while I'm still kind of doing my my own my own thing, you know, like consistently in-house and miners, um, terps over yields, you know, portal. These are some of the nicest dabs I've seen while I'm in Colorado dabbing my own products. These are like the the products that I I see that are like, you know, just at that level where there's that passion and there's that love. And uh, you know, some of it is in gray and some of it isn't legal. And to me, none of that really matters. What matters is like who's doing it right, who's, you know, it's it's not just as easy as making, you know, a nice product. It's about like, you know, making sure you have access or you are the producer of your grows, you know, that you have some say in how the plant expresses itself, um, which is super important. And uh I've just been completely impressed with Colorado on all levels. I've only been there maybe three times so far, but it's just gotten better and better and better every time I've got gone there, uh, in regards to the quality of the people, uh, the food, the vibes, the space where you know I'm spending my time now, which we're gonna get into that in a in a little bit as well. And just uh I thought shit, we might as well have a little show. We'll get Scully to do some drawing and we'll uh we'll kind of go from there. Did you want to uh set up your sharing screen at all? Scully?

SPEAKER_09 14:37

You're asking me or Scully? Uh Scully.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

Okay. Oh uh can you see uh this the Photoshop that I have set up right here?

SPEAKER_04 14:45

Yes, I just have to either I have to figure out when I go into when you go into share screen, um, there will be a button on the side that says side by side, and I think that's the one you want to click on while you share your screen, and that will allow your screen to be shared always, and then the speakers will kind of show up next to that screen. So we'll give that a shot if you want, or I can keep coming back to you, I can pin you, I can do this a million different ways. I think what I'm gonna start with, and I would suspect or I would suggest uh that maybe all of you start with it as well, is a nice, a nice fat dab of melt. I think that's uh probably a good uh dude. I poured this melt into here today. It was liquid. Like it was liquid. I put this fucking thing on my universal heater, which is right here heating up my banger, and I left it for about a minute. And when I looked at the hash, it was literally like boiling. I haven't seen full melt liquefy and boil in a long time like that, because it was, you know, a couple grams or whatever, but uh managed to uh yeah, you know, I'll give you a I'll give you a little trick, Kay. You'll really appreciate this. When you've got a screensaver behind you and you're trying to show product, put it in front of your face or your body because there's no man's got the tech. There's no green screen there, and it'll always, and if you want to, you know, get rid of your green screen and show something close up, you you know, you gotta uh you gotta get get the hands in there and create the create the green screen.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

The pictures you sent me yesterday looked amazing, Marcus, from uh from Whistler. I was really, really, I was I was grueling, man. I was like, I cannot uh I cannot I cannot deal. Colorado has no snow right now. So for you sending me those photos, I was like, there's nothing I can do. I have to leave the country.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

You know, another big change for me that involves Colorado, which is Colorado is just like a magnet to me right now. It's really pulling me in hard. I have always gotten a uh uh an unlimited annual Whistler Blackholm ski pass. They call it My Epic Pass, but it's not, it's the Whistler Blackhome one. Well, it's the exact same price as the My Epic one that lets me go to Keystone and Vale and like I don't know, 30 or 40 other mountains, maybe even more. So I'm going to be buying that one this year. Here, literally, it renews tomorrow, if you can imagine. The Whistler Pass renews tomorrow for next year. That's what I have is the epic. It's great. I'll get used this year, though.

SPEAKER_02 17:27

They didn't get a chance.

SPEAKER_04 17:29

There was no snow, dude. It's great. He says, I didn't use it this year. I would be like calling well, what am I saying? Call Vail and complain.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Vale is definitely net negative this year. There's no question, dude.

SPEAKER_04 17:41

They don't give a fuck. They are not into like taking care of their customers. They're just like, dude, listen, we don't give a fuck about you. It's a true story.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Well, I saw an article, they're gonna be cloud seeding next year like crazy because the amount of money they lost this year was they can't have it happen again next year. Oh, we'll see what the conditions are.

SPEAKER_04 18:00

Isn't that just a conspiracy?

SPEAKER_02 18:03

No, no, there's a whole article about Bale Resort, uh, you know, cloud seeding and making the most snow and having the most epic winter next year that we've ever seen.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

So we'll see. Uh let's see how that worked out for Saudi Arabia. Do you remember the flooding? I do work that that worked out well for them. We should just fuck with nature. Like, we should just like figure out a way to fuck with nature. I mean, I'm sure it'll probably work out for us, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Yeah, profits over nature, right? That's the name of the game.

SPEAKER_04 18:31

Dude, what's everyone hitting while I load this bowl of full mount bubble up? That's the name of the cultivar, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

I'm gonna see what I what I'm gonna hit here. It's a good question. I just I literally just took a dab and I'm I'm flying. What's up, Scully? It's good to see you, brother. Hey, how's it going? I'm excited to uh I'm excited for Scully to do her custom mural at the reserve, um, which I'll get into in a little bit. But Scully's one of the most talented artists in Denver, and uh I'm super pumped that you guys got to connect um through my place, and there's a lot coming you know down the line with what we're working on. So um, you know, much love, Scully. I've always loved your stuff and it's been glad to be here with you. Hell yeah, thank you, man.

SPEAKER_05 19:13

Hell yeah. How do you want to go about this, Scully? Do you want to do you want to talk and puff for a little bit and then start drawing in a little bit? You just let me know so you don't feel like I've forgotten about you and I'm leaving you in the screen.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Yeah, no, you're good. Let me uh let me take a dab real quick and then I'll jump right into it. I was just trying to figure out my screen thing because I got set this uh I have this set up in uh OBS, so I can't additional like reshare my screen through Zoom, if that makes sense. Um but if if the is there any chance you could pin me, maybe? Uh where's it?

SPEAKER_04 19:45

It's possible that I can pin you. I'm not sure if we do pin you. It'll probably just be you the whole show. We won't want to do that. We won't be in there, I don't think. Unless someone wants to let me know. Let's see, speaker gallery, multi-speaker. What if we go multi-speaker, but then pin you? Let me see if that works.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

I might be able to also just leave, turn off OBS real quick, and then turn on screen sharing through Zoom, and then do the side by side that way. I just might have to leave and rejoin. That's also let me know uh what works best.

SPEAKER_05 20:23

Yeah, yeah, we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

We'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

I had to expand the chat to be able to see everybody. I see the Nick Portal provisions in here. What's up, brother? I see Stuart Miners Melts, all the homies, the Miners Melts disposables that you guys brought to our sesh event were absolutely fire. I smoked it down until there was nothing left in it. It was it tastes amazing the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 20:44

Dude, I I finished mine at the airport. People were looking at me like I was a crackhead.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

I was just fucking like yeah, it's it's rare that I'm impressed by a disposable, and and miners melts. I was definitely impressed by. So good work. Keep it up.

SPEAKER_04 20:58

That's what's up. It's funny, disposables are uh, you know, it's it's always so interesting the products that you produce and create and this and the sort of crit the criticization or the the critiques that pop out. And I had a guy the other day, and you know, not that he's wrong, and I get it, but he's like, I I posted our little vision box elite there, the little bubble man all in one. And this guy goes, Oh yeah, and you know what? Just toss it on the ground when you're done. And I was kind of like, you know, there's this whole virtue signaling that so many people do when they think they're on the right side of things. You know, like that guy doesn't realize that A, he uses single use plastic items every day to the tune of, I don't even know how much. 80 to 90 percent of said plastic are not recycled, even though he's virtuous signaling and he's separating them every week and he's putting them in his his recyclable box. You have to know that 80 to 90% of that, sometimes 94% of that, is not recycled, which isn't great, doesn't make me feel good, but at least like don't dilute yourself into thinking something exists in a reality that it really doesn't. You know, here in British Columbia, some guy was like, he was like, I'm gonna find out where my shit's going. And he bought like a semi-trailer of like plastic to recycle, and he put uh a GPS on it. And I think he found it in the Philippines, about to go into an incinerator. They like shipped it to the Philippines and they're just burning it there because there's no regulatory framework to keep them from doing it. So weird sort of offshoot of the conversation. But like when you're judging something so harshly, realize that the hypocrisy that's truly behind what you're saying is vast. You like sometimes uh more vast than you can possibly imagine. Um yeah, that was a wicked dab, very enjoyable. I gotta uh say I pulled out the ship after a very long time. I have not pulled this ship out in I it's gotta be some years now. I've been puffing out of this little uh Dustin Revere drop, quite lovely, a little 10, very small piece, you know, in comparison. This is substantially larger, but um what are you guys' favorite pieces to hit out of?

SPEAKER_02 23:28

So I we uh uh Portal Provisions and I went up to see Matt Robertson, and um I thought I had you know some favorite functional pieces, but I'm getting way more into the the functioning artistic pieces myself. And um, I'm gonna be going up there tomorrow. Um, Adam's gonna be on his podcast, and um I'm gonna be just a total nerd looking at all the glass and trying to figure out as far as like what I want to start collecting more of um, you know, the perfect mix between functionality and art. Um and like the mothership stuff. I love the functionality and I love the artistic side. Um, and I love supporting a lot of the artists that are you know up the top tier of creating these, you know, different perks and um different styles of glass that kind of set the standard for everybody else.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

Yeah, absolutely. Anyone else a favorite piece? Like something that really rips substantial compared to anything else you hit.

SPEAKER_10 24:24

Oh yeah. Shout out Colton O'Neill. That's pretty yeah, it's got the here. Let's see if we can pull this off. You're pulling it off. Beautiful. But yeah, this one functions really nicely. Beautiful. And it's like somewhere in between like a functional pipe and a glass pipe, but I love me some good glass.

SPEAKER_04 24:52

Yeah, it's interesting how it all ties in. I guess really where it starts though would be ah, Mr. Scully. Yes, I will allow thou to share your screen. Um it really starts with the resin, and in that sense, the resin starts with the plant. And I feel like everyone here, everyone in the quality game somehow is either themselves uh or has an in with someone that is like on this deeper level of understanding when it comes to living soil, uh fungi intelligence, um, the symbiotic relationship of said fungi intelligence and how it can sequester and uh acquire the things required for the plant, when it needs them, where it needs them, how much it needs of them. Each person that I've seen over the years that seems to have an incredible access to quality of the of just really what what I would consider is in this room. Because for some reason, not everyone does. You know, for some reason a lot of people grow this plant uh and are okay with uh allowing it to express itself in a half-assed sort of shoddy manner. And I feel like the majority of the people in this room like can't let that happen. So, A, first and foremost, I applaud you for that. And B if if if if you're talking if you're you know looking out to the world of hash makers that are watching and kind of want to get on this pathway, what would you explain? How would you explain like what it is, you know, what where that desire starts, where the focus needs to be put in order to you know truly grow first and foremost, six-star resin. Anyone can do it.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Yeah, I have I have I have some input on this. I've been doing this in Colorado since 2013, uh, dropped out of college to you know jump in the industry here, despite uh pretty much all the backlash uh from my family and everyone else. And I think if you really want to make the highest quality hash, um, you know, portal provisions, and I were just talking about this in the car ride up to uh Matt's studio the other day, you need to go above and beyond on all of the inputs. And it needs to not be something it's done for profit, but it's done to be able to smoke the best quality hash possible. Um, taking your plants as long as you want to, um, doing very specific things, you know, training your plants, painting your plants, um, specific lighting. You know, I know Portal just installed some under canopy lighting that he's excited about that it should increase some of his yield. But I think really what it comes down to is that you have to love cannabis and hash so much that you do everything that you can to grow the best quality that you can. Uh, and that's my chief sense.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

I think that's hey guys, it's really good to be here with y'all. Um, Marcus, much love, man. Um, nice to see everybody here. You know, this is a huge thing that my team and I think every all of our friends, even Marcus, you and I talk about this all the time. Um, you know, you have to make really hard decisions. I think that's one thing most people don't want to admit is when something is mediocre, they're cool with maybe just keeping it in the mix. And they have to be very um you have to make really hard choices. You have to you have to select. There's a lot more sapphire than there is diamonds. That goes across the board with varietals, it goes across the board with resin. Just because it looks the part doesn't mean it plays the part. And I think that there's a lot of different choices you have to make and just be super honest and and be okay with making those tough decisions. And you know, a lot of individuals, much like making art here, is a good example. These are decisions. Every stroke that he's using is a decision, you know, and that's I yeah, I think you should carry that into your work into hash making. Um, and everything Kyle said, like all of that is wrapped into this, you know. So um, yeah, that's my two cents.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

Well, welcome, brother. I I will say that you you hit the nail on the head, and I will explain to you guys where it came from for me. I was not lucky enough. Well, I didn't know about like super, I mean, that's not true either. 91 we definitely did organic growing, but I didn't have a deep enough understanding of it. I was I I grew salts after that. Uh, and for me, I still grew decent resin, or at least what I thought was good resin, but it wasn't until I started making hash with bags and making hash for a particular friend of mine who had a cultivar called the Renee. This was very early on, probably in the in the late 90s. And he would give me this trim. And also, I had a very I have a very sensitive olfactory. I can I can smell when something is off in cannabis, especially if I light and burn it. And in the 90s, there was this crazy flush of people using sulfur burners for powdery mildew in the Pacific Northwest. Like so many people were using this. And so when it when they started using it, I immediately could taste it when people around me couldn't and it would freak me out. And I remember going to the compassion club, my friend Hillary Black started the BC Compassion Club. And I went down there and I said, Look, if you can't smell it outright, pull a tiny bit of the plant matter out of the bag and light it with a with a with a lighter and just close your eyes and smell it. And if you smell like burnt matches, you'll know that sulfur is in there. And these sulfur compounds, most people's noses are extremely sensitive to them, even if they don't have a sensitive olfactory. And so um, the first time I made Renee hash and I had like an ounce of full melt Renee hash, dude. I'll never forget it. I was standing two doors down from where I live right now, two doors down on my deck, and I hit this thing in a bong, and it was like the most concentrated, it was like a pack of matches being lit when you hit it, but just caramel bubbling, like I'd never seen anything like it. And it I would never be got again, I'll tell you, to take a full rip of sulfurated full melt was like, oh my god. I stood on my deck with this beautiful ounce of like translucent Renee full melt, and I hocked it off my deck and like watch it spun into the air. And for me, that was a very hard decision because I thought of like, oh, someone could do this with it, they could do that with it. I was like, this is an abomination, it has to go. These are the hard decisions. It's I didn't want to do it, but it was a very hard decision, and that metaphorically, I hear what you're saying, Colin, because it's that way all the way through. When you choose integrity, it is expensive.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Uh like that's the truth, bro. It it's expensive, it's taxing, it's mentally taxing too. You're like, damn, I did all this work, and that's what came out. And and that's the thing, you know. You like, dude, we do it all the time. We had a a blue sushi cut that came through, and we were just like, This isn't it, guys. Like, I don't, I don't care what this is, it just is not it. Turn it into something else, and we made it into edibles. That's just what it was, right? And yeah, we lost like probably a thousand grams of finished goods, but that's okay. Because the other flip side of that is that we put that in a jar, some kid gets it, and he's like, dude, this is what these guys make, right? Like, that's not okay with us, you know. And that's right or wrong, it doesn't really matter because I we made that choice to let that go out to Marcus's joint. And Marcus made that choice to not let it go out. He's like, the woods will reclaim this, you know. So I think there's something um, you know, enlightening and really freeing to making those choices. And and I think in this moment of Skunk Man, actually, where he used to talk about how much he loved killing plants. And I think that was because of the unabassionately passionate driven um sensibility they had for resin. And I think that you you these are things you acquire and learn over time, as Marcus said so well. Um, you don't just have it all of a sudden, right? You you get surrounded by those that can educate and teach you and enlighten yourself. So I think, you know, with that said, you know, shout out to Skunk Man, you know, because it's it that that ideology has never been lost on myself. And I know it's never been lost on you, Marcus. It's one of the biggest things you've been vocal about through the time I've met you is you know, there is just not going to be that much diamonds. There's there's gonna be a lot more sapphire. So um, how do we get to that? I think it's just you know, collectively talking to one another and and sharing and trying to have good self-reflection on on what you're actually doing through the process. So what a story though, man, an ounce. Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 34:36

Oh, it was the most I ever threw away.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Especially back then. Like that was like five for those that don't understand, like to get that much. Yeah, like to get that much back then was like you might as well.

SPEAKER_04 34:48

Nobody even knew what it was, trust me. Right. Right. We called it the great humbler because everyone would take a knee. It really like people weren't used to strength like that. And with Full Melt Bubble and BHO coming out simultaneously, it really did train the public in a quick, quicker way, at least the the portion that was dabbing. Um, I I personally don't see people like green out or or fall down um the way I did in the in the late 90s, early 2000s.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

I I will say I did see someone at um an event. I was like literally sitting, like Don and Aaron was with me. We were sitting there, DNA was there, we were just doing dabs, and right to the left of me, this this kid just had a sh a moment, and I just look over and I'm like, do we need to you know hold this guy's head up and make sure he's okay? It was my first experience seeing that. Um but I think you know, to your point, um it's very few and far between, um, especially you know, in 2026. That was still like four years ago when I saw that.

SPEAKER_04 35:54

How are things going over by you, Stuart? Tell us what's going on with the minor mouse. Even though you're not muted. This is the uh technical difficulty or my I heard I heard that.

SPEAKER_07 36:27

I did hear that.

SPEAKER_04 36:36

Dude, I'm looking forward to uh getting back to Colorado in May. I feel like uh I need to experience Colorado in May.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

We're gonna experience Colorado in 7-10 as well. It's gonna be uh good time, Marcus. We're we're gearing up for some some serious, serious moves here, and Denver's gonna be put on the map again. Uh, and I couldn't be more stoked.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

Dude, see, I never even knew Denver when it was like uh not on the map or more on the map or any other Denver other than the Denver I know now. And uh yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

Oh, it's great. It you know, it's it's changed a lot. I mean, over the past uh decade, a lot of people have come and go. Uh, there was a huge, you know, uh, I'd just I'd say shift to Oklahoma when Oklahoma went legal and a lot of the people expanded. Um, but yeah, no, Colorado is is one of the best places, and you know, we have some of the best people here on this panel right now that uh are gonna be a part of the events that we're gonna throw, and it was like it's gonna be great. Jumble.

SPEAKER_04 37:35

Yeah, dude. I'm excited. I'm definitely excited to get back in May and uh get more involved. Gonna go to that Boston kneecan, go see Colin out on the East Coast for a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Yeah, buddy. I love that event, it's a good one.

SPEAKER_04 37:53

So yeah, I've never been, but uh, we'll see how it goes. And uh it's it's gonna be dope.

SPEAKER_01 37:59

I can't wait to get you into we'll get you out here and get some good food and maybe I'll get best friend farms to come down. I was thinking about him trying to get him to come out of his uh off the hill up in uh up in Maine.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Colin, make sure you get the best fish places for Marcus here. The best fish.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

We got it on lock. You know, it's it's funny. For those that don't know, most of the sushi comes from Gloucester, Massachusetts, in the United States. Um, so there's actually I had no clue when I came up here from New York any of this stuff. It was pretty cool. So I spent a lot of time in Gloucester.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

I love it there. Well, uh my family has a house um on the water there, and uh it's it's definitely expanded big time. Yeah, I spent a lot of time in Marcus Vineyard and Gloucester and uh Nantucket and uh East Coast, so yeah, Gloucester's a great place, man.

SPEAKER_01 38:54

Yeah, it's interesting, but uh yeah, it's cool. It's a it's a nice uh fishing town. Uh it's interesting, it's just a totally different vibe than the rest of you know, mass. It's really interesting. It's cool, it's really cool. And then there's a big surfing community just north of that, up into Maine, which is cool and into Nova Scotia. Um, and there's killer herb all uh up in the the northeast, like just really good um private growers that um have held clones and cuts and genetics for a super long time. It's uh it's kind of refreshing, to be honest, the like seeing some of the older stuff that I thought were just gone. You know, some guy pulls out a bag, he's like, remember this juicy fruit? And you're like, What? You know, I haven't seen some of these varietals in 15 plus years, so that's cool. So, what's up with Denver? You know, um, I I you know I don't think you guys fell off. I think, you know, in my opinion, like Marcus, I feel like you guys have been steadily kind of going forward and carving out a good lane. And you know, yeah, it's hard to grow good dry cure flower, but you know, you know, nothing like a good challenge, you know. So how's the how's it changed for you guys and what what's what's exciting for you guys out there now?

SPEAKER_02 40:10

So I I want I'll give my perspective and Nick uh Portal Provisions, if you can chime in just on your opinion. Um, you know, I've seen the scene here change significantly from a lot of the OGs that uh were all banded together from I'd say like 2010 to around 2014 to 2015, and everyone kind of fractioned off. Um so you would have events that all of like you'd have Adam Dunn, you'd have Scott Reach, you'd have um, you know, all of the like Giddy Up, all of the original, you know, pioneering BHO guys. Um and they would all come together and get together, and then you'd have like, you know, Nickettee and on all the Rosin guys that all came together and they weren't fractionalized in their own camps that were against each other. Um so when I say we've fallen off, it's not that we've fallen off. It's just that things have changed. And when you look at Denver compared to somewhere like California or Washington or Oregon, uh, when it comes to the actual hash scene, uh specifically rosin, um they they trump us all around as far as the events, the crowds they bring. I mean, you look at PuffCon, you look at EgoClash, you look at a lot of these events that draw a lot of the really high-end hash people. We really don't have anything like that in Denver. Uh, we have two places that you can publicly consume that do a lot of events. Um, they throw local events, but by no means are they hash destination events uh like you'd see with PuffCon or Ego Clash or any of the other ones that I, you know, that you guys know of. So, Nick, if you want to chime in a little bit, you have much more of a pulse on um, I'd say the the headiest side of Rosin um in Colorado, and you can kind of give your perspective of Denver versus uh the rest of the country right now.

SPEAKER_10 41:45

Yeah, for sure. Um thanks for having me on, Marcus. Um shout out to the homie uh Tom Woolley Farmer that was mentioning that we've known each other for 13 years because we used to watch Hash Church together on Sundays. But uh I would say like a bit of what happened in Colorado has to do with like regulatory things. Um so when licensed lounges came around, like back in the days that Kyle was talking about, like everything was a little bit more gray, so you could just kind of throw the events and like do things a little bit more um just differently because there was less of a regulatory framework. Now that licensed lounges exist, they're a great resource for people to have, but because of the regulatory framework involved, you can't really just can't throw the same events, and whom it's beneficial to attend those events or sponsor those events changes. So, you know, people in the gray market may not want to be rubbing elbows with people in the recreational market because there's you know regulatory bodies coming around those events. Um is like kind of like a really simple way that I look at it. And then like in terms of high-end stuff, like like you're talking about like the headiest part of Hash. I would say also, like, and you know, like I would love to hear what Stuart has to say about this a bit. Um, if he can get his Wi-Fi sorted out, or maybe he can like turn his video off so he has good bandwidth for his voice because Stu's kind of an OG in this area. But um I think like the time frames that you referenced, like when when Rosin was new and there was very few people doing it, like it was a much tighter knit community. It seemed like I'm I'm new to this game, you know, in that way. Like, but back then I remember like being there was only a handful of people I could take when I was growing to have processed and stuff, and it was just smaller. And then over time, like when I started making Ros and myself, which was back in like twenty nineteen or twenty twenty, something like that. Um everybody in Colorado was doing the same thing. So like there was everybody was running the same cuts, everybody was growing the same way, there wasn't a lot of differentiation in like living soil growers and things of that nature having prominent brands. Um and so I think the perspective may have been that like our quality had declined essentially, like there was not so much like um people hunting new things and like really putting it out there on display and getting attention for it. So I think what Kyle's referring to is just like a shift away from the extreme amount of attention that the Denver scene was getting back in the days of like Pink House and Nickette and when when Rosin was kind of like it didn't originate here. Like I know you guys have done a bunch of you know different shows on like the history of Solventless and Rosin and stuff, but there was a time where Colorado was really pushing it, and that shifted away from here and went to other places, and I think you know, like it was California for a long time, and California is super OG, but like my current personal opinion is that like the craziest solventless scene right now is actually up in Maine and New England. Um I've had a lot of fun traveling there in the last year. I would agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

And then I think the sh the shift happened when uh peer pressure stalled to agrify is when you know the the stuff in Colorado really started to, like I said, fractionalize and things started to change. Um, you know, you you had this corporate greed that came in. Um you had a bunch of idiots that were running a company that had no idea the culture and were trying to make moves based on profits versus you know pushing the actual um you know science of the plant. So um for me, that was really the pivoting point. Um, and we had a lot of attention here for hash, you know, from the BHO side for where we we pretty much pioneered the legal um C1 D1 side of doing it between emotech, ETS, uh, and all the OGs that created you know the legal framework to do BHO in a licensed facility, which then led into um you know a lot more of the headier side of it, which is uh you know, the rosin and you know, six star you know, melt and and people that are trying to create the the best representation that they can of the genetics that they're running, um, and not and and then switching over to the uh I guess the for the mindset of not smoking BHO, right? So there was a huge shift at that point. Um and then, like I said, when when peer pressure ended up selling, um low temp came in, all the guys left peer pressure. I know Nikate and you know, a lot of the people left, um, I know Cliff left, and then they all joined Low Temp. And that's where we're at now is this, you know, we've c we've cultivated this beautiful community of people that are all making, you know, their own rosin and growing their own uh flour at home. Um, and that's where this is heading, is like we want people to be able to smoke the best stuff um and also be in the best environment to do so uh and be educated. So that's that's where I think Colorado's heading.

SPEAKER_04 47:23

Let's hear uh let's hear from Stuart.

SPEAKER_11 47:26

Hey, can you guys hear me this time?

SPEAKER_04 47:28

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_11 47:29

Hey, how's it going? Thanks again, Marcus, for having me. And uh yeah, it's an honor to be on uh this podcast and uh represent Colorado with everybody here. So um yeah, I'm I'm born born and raised up here in the mountains and outside of Boulder. Um and you know, been uh involved since around like 2005 um with cannabis and and growing and kind of a grow community up here. So um, you know, for for many years, uh you know, the best time that I saw in Colorado as far as diversity and quality was you know from the mid-2000 to like 2005 to you know about 2013 is like when I saw things really drop off. Um, you know, and a lot of that obviously was, you know, everybody rushed and came here uh during legalization. It really blew up with that before it was it worked out great for the first few years because you had so many growers um around Colorado up in the mountains here. It was probably one uh out of every three houses uh was a grow house, and there was a ton of, you know, everybody had like a couple lights and everybody was growing different varieties, everybody was popping uh, you know, seeds and had all these unique cuts. Um, you know, there was Fletcher um from uh Archive was sending, you know, uh cuts to like Scott Reach and Ward. A ton of stuff came through that way um through the forum. So it's just a really exciting time uh for cannabis and and for for growing up here, especially in the mountains. I didn't really have to go, you know, we used to be able to go down to Denver and sell straight to the clubs, just like you could in in California. Um, and this is all pre-MM64. Um and you could like, you know, at the the at the clubs in Denver and um you know, you would have menus that'd be a hundred different varieties that are all small, you know, grown in this like very craft uh mindset, um, small batch. And so I think that created an environment that um, you know, we came from a very unique place uh in Colorado, just with how many growers. But then naturally it became very competitive. Um, the prices went down, um, you know, and then we everybody shifted, everybody threw out their genetics that didn't yield three light, or they didn't uh, you know, or didn't uh you know uh weren't finished in eight weeks, um, or you know, didn't test uh above 25-30 percent. And then everybody started machine trimming. It got so far away from craft because again, to exist in this market, you had to just, you know, meet the demands of uh, you know, the lowering price point, uh, you know, and uh we relied on brokers for many years and then that kind of dropped out. Um you know, I I went to Oregon in 2018. I you know, I was doing a lot of consulting and uh you know started a brand out there because things just got very bad here in Colorado. Um and you know, we'd been doing BHO and everything before that, and that's you know, definitely what was predominantly, you know, here in Colorado. And when I went to Oregon, I saw a bit more of the craft, you know, scene and people doing, you know, uh their own thing and uh and doing, you know, starting a brand for their own like small farm. Um and that wasn't really a big thing in Colorado. We were, you know, kind of uh always avidly kind of against that old school uh you know concept as far as uh uh you know not putting our stuff in uh with a label on it or anything because we didn't want it, you know, that sort of attention. But that we saw the value. There's a few people and then what they were able to market themselves and actually able to get um you know a good price point, which reinventized quality and growing for craft. You know, people again, you know, uh it's just finding the right people who want um who value quality. Uh, you know, again, that's always been you know, uh the tough situation for a grower like me in the mountains is we gotta go find, you know, I've gotta go out and find the people who also, you know, respect the the the quality and um you know don't want to just uh lowball us for being like an isolated gate kept grower. So yes, it's changed quite a bit um you know in Colorado, but you know, and and and now uh hash really gives us an opportunity to value um you know quality um and to value, you know, the six star. And it's not just about dumpers. A lot of people chase like you know, these ride there's a lot of false flags um with that with hash as well to circle back to where, you know, the six star thing and and you know, that's where we try to just focus on the grease um and uh you know uh try to find the the best hash uh possible, not just chase whatever, you know, pop our own unique genetics, you know, and and thank uh thank God for the current state of uh at least hash that we have that ability as a farmer to be able to be incentivized to grow and to uh you know to explore the diversity of cannabis. Um, you know, hash is an amazing, you know, means to do that. So I'm just grateful to be able to, you know, keep growing. And yeah, it's an exciting time for Colorado. So um, you know, it's a long-winded explain.

SPEAKER_01 52:59

No, it's really cool because like what I was gonna kind of say in the middle of what you're you know thinking as you're talking, like these are what I hear is like a common theme and a common thread across the whole, maybe perhaps the whole world, where we all come in with this spark of excitement, this personal passion, this personal drive, this thing that we all want to accomplish because we're so influenced by one another, which is awesome and so so incredible that we get to do that. And then regulation comes through, right? And we're all like, ah, it's a regulatory thing, you know, and passion and regulatory, you know, it's a tough, it's like a a circle into a square, you know, you're trying to get all these things that you want. Um, and it's difficult, you know, to your point of everyone's point, you know. I think Kyle said it well and in Portal Provisions, you said it amazing too. It's and I remember Adam Dunn talking to me about this when I was talking to him in even 2018 about Colorado. He's like, man, you know, I really wish there was more social consumption and and it could drive more of a community-based approach. And um because I see this in New York right now. Like what you guys just all talked about is literally rubbing elbows with with traditional versus non-traditional and events that are going on, and everybody wants a piece of it, and it's confusing. Like, let's just be real, it's confusing and it's it's a it's a mess, right? So, but what brings clarity to it, I think, is the passion, right? And the drive to go and hunt specific genetics and say, I'm gonna go after a good resin and and I'm gonna stick to my passion. So I think you know, it's amazing that you know it's coming back around for all of you guys in in Colorado specifically, but I think everyone fights this fight, you know, of passion versus regulatory versus how to make a living off of this, right? You know, and that blend is a lot easier said than done. You know, I think all of us here understand that intimately. That's why we're all here. But it's I think it you just I keep going back to this idea of passion, keeps use keeps us all here. And and I think that's what's gonna drive us into the next variation of of what you know whatever market you might be in, whether it's Colorado or not. But I I I think it's awesome that you guys are finding that that sensibility of of passion again, and you're looking to reignite that again. Because I heard all this amazing stuff that you just said that I I wholeheartedly relate to, and I'm sure other listeners out there relate to the the excitement you get when you go to a session and you see someone's jar that you haven't seen in the a flavor profile, or you know, even the way it looks, like it, you know, all of it. It's how amazing is that, you know. So I think it's a very special thing that you guys get to do and kind of uh hold that torch again. So are you guys planning events? I guess my next my question for you is are you guys planning events and like what does that look like for you guys?

SPEAKER_02 56:01

Yeah, do you want me to jump into it, Marcus? Or do you want to hear from some other people regarding the subject before we do that?

SPEAKER_04 56:07

Yeah, I'd like to hear from uh Turps over yields as well. And then uh I wanna and then I wanna before we go into that as well, I want to uh hear from uh Kay uh in regards to like what monumental mountain they had to climb in order to create and hold a relationship with so many incredible growers, or maybe you guys are the incredible growers, but I I want to hear from him as well, and then we'll get into it.

SPEAKER_09 56:36

Yeah, for sure. Um, I think that uh I think the biggest thing is to add to your point, Colin. What's going on, man? I remember seeing you about a year ago. I was on Hash Church on the Solventless episode. So really good to see your face again, man. I hope you guys are crushing it out there in the Northeast. Um, props to you guys. But I think right now, man, and with with Colorado and the market here, um, even on the traditional side, um, I think that there's a reluctancy to pheno hunt. I think that um people aren't willing to go and hunt these genetics that are exclusive, that they could actually build an identity with their own brand around that genetic. Uh, people are a little bit less inclined to do that because it's expensive. You know, you're giving up production space uh for a potential one percenter. And, you know, you're not in, you know, you have to be willing to take that loss uh in order to find something that's so unique that nobody else has. So that I think that brings in the passion for us at In-house is like, how do we still like rotate these menus and rotate these flavor profiles, but still give the people what they want, even though that strain doesn't yield and make it doesn't make as much money. It's not like a 5% or 6% or like a Dulce de Uva. It's not uh like the same thing with a Straw Guava. Um, it's gonna be a little bit different. So like we run a bunch of different genetics now, uh, now that we we've started doing our own phenoh hunting in-house. So just to get kind of give you guys an idea of what we're doing uh here in Colorado. So uh we're popping about 150 to 300 seeds every three weeks. So the way our business model works here in Colorado, when we release product to you know 220 plus retail stores that we partner with across the state from Grand Junction to Kansas and Nebraska, uh, what we have to do is we have to find really unique flavor profiles and keep them rotating and drop once a month. So we drop every three weeks, um, but we're also pheno hunting in every single one of those rounds. We've dedicated an entire out of maybe seven rolling benches, we've dedicated an entire table just uh just to phenohunt, just to pop some seeds from unique uh breeders and just to try to find that unique terp. So we're working with like uh obviously bloom seed. Uh so we run a bunch of bloom genetics. Uh we've we've started popping a bunch of terp fountain genetics, uh fruitful seeds. Um there's a lot of breeders that we're starting to work with because we're starting to make a name for ourselves here in this state. Uh to Marcus's point, we've uh we've had to battle a lot of um obstacles just in terms of finding those unique genetics, uh getting to the point where you can earn enough money off of these drops to the put to give the people what they want. So that's what I'm kind of getting at with to add to Stuart's point of view, um, is that it's all about price point, really. So, you know, if your price point is, you know, your zip jars or your pound jar or your unit jars are gonna be higher, you're gonna want to go and hunt that unique pro turret profile because you now have the leeway to do so. You know, uh bills are due every 30 days, whether it's traditional or on the rec market. And so that number dictates how you can actually operate besides the passion side of it. I think the passion kind of emphasizes your why you want to do it. Like, what's the point of you just like pumping out the same flavors over and over and over again? Um, to me, that gets kind of mundane. As a grower, as a washer, I like to see different yielders. I like to see different uh colors in my resins. Um, I love how a trop cookie, some people don't like a trop cookies, but it has a purple undertone. Uh, but then you could also have a black maple 22 breeder cut that has like probably like the most like pearlescent white resin that I've seen in a long time, besides a sour Diesel IBL. And so um what's cool for us is that we've had to grow this organically. You know, we're a legal company here in Colorado that doesn't have traditional advertising. We've kind of had to build the word of mouth kind of way of going about it, doing events, being a part of the community, like Kyle was saying. Um, and so the problem is that comes at a risk. You know, there was an event that was supposed to be today that a lot of uh a lot of legal companies had to pull out of due to a regulatory issue, um, due to the fact that there's some, there's some events, well, you know, some of the people that put on these events, they're kind of like club promoters. They're kind of like people who are trying to charge a fee and earn a living off of bringing business to a certain venue. And so sometimes the regulatory stuff gets in the way. And one of those things that's got in the way was the fact that if you have a discrepancy between VIP tickets and general admission tickets for your event, and then you let's say you have a VIP gift bag. When you buy a VIP gift bag, well, let's say that person, when you buy that ticket, you get the VIP gift bag. Well, now you're essentially distributing cannabis products at an unlicensed venue. So that causes problems for people. It causes fear for the community. There's less influencers that want to get involved, which I think is a detriment to this community. I think, I personally think that we need to find a balance between the two. And there's we still haven't found it yet. We're still having to do events around the city, around the state, um, but we're very selective on what we do. And the only reason why we're selective is because of these regulatory issues. Um, we've worked our asses off to get our license. And so we don't want to be vulnerable and risk anything. So otherwise, like, why would you even get the license in the first place if you're not going to adhere to their regulatory issues? So there's just a lot of factors that have gone into the um and obstacles that we've had to oversee. Another thing is that, you know, as a wholesale solventless rosin company here in Colorado, we're at the mercy of retail dispensaries. And so um sometimes uh those retail dispensaries, they're not as um privy to adhering to your uh production scale, your production uh um what's the word, uh chain. Um we had like we said, we're dropping every three weeks and we sell out every three weeks. You know, our last drop was yesterday, and we pre-sold that drop two weeks before that, and all of our 90s you sold out in three hours. So, like that is a that's an anomaly in this market, but it's it, uh, we we have to pay an homage to the breeders. We have to pay an homage to the terps that we're hunting that we're getting from these people because we kick it back as well. It's not like we're just hunting this and keeping it for ourselves. If we find something, you I I there's a respect and there's a credit that is due to the person that kind of created that genetic. You know, we work with Bloom, he created trop cookies, dulce de uva, black maple, straw guava. Like these are really heavy hitters in the hash game about 10 years ago. And so uh uh 10 years ago, it was cool to run those strains. And we had to run the Dulce de Uvas and the Straw Guavas because they're hitting the 5-6% to make it economical for you. So that's just like a long-winded way of saying, like, if you're not pheno hunting out here, if you're not trying to find a unique tart profile, like if you look on that menu that's behind me, that's like 10 different flavors of all different phenos that we've been hunting. So if you look on that menu, you're gonna see sugar cookie is something that we named. It was a black maple trot cookies uh number 78 pheno out of hundreds of seeds of black maple trop cookies that we popped, just to find that one terp. And that one terp that hit 16% terps when we got it tested. We've never had a terpene profile that has hit 16.07% terps. The last one that hit the record for us was blue zushi. Ironically, for Colin, you said that you guys had to run it into gummies. Um, our blue hit the high.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:38

We have the 1010 cut, which I'm not a huge fan of, which is the yeah, the no 1010 cut is not the one.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:47

So so we got our genetic, so so our blue zushi cut hit 13.7 percent tarps, and we thought that was dope. We thought that was super high. Um, the one before that was modified grapes by symbiotic genetics. And so, you know, now we have found the this black maple trop cookie 78 that hits 16%. Well, now you have a heavy hitter that you can but like create an identity around. You can start to market that high terpene percentage. But if you're not hunting and you're not trying to find that, dude, you're not gonna be able to keep up, especially even on the traditional market. You know, um, you know, portal provisions, you've you've done a fantastic job by winning, like or placing really well in these competitions. I'm sure that's gotten you a higher ticket price on some of your jars.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:33

Um, yes. It it has. I mean, mostly it has helped like cement and justify the position that I put the jars in on the market. Um which it depends on like like to me, I think there's what do I want to say about this? I think competitions are important and I think it Goes back to maybe like Marx's original question at the beginning of the stream, which is like, how do you know? Like, how do you discern what quality is? And I think that you know, for the most part, like when you talk to anybody in this industry, like I I used to call it master grower syndrome. So like everybody's like, Yeah, my weed's fire. I grow the best weed ever. Check out my selection of this strain. It's the best strain ever of all time. And so, like, how do you find out like what's actually good? Well, you know, people argue about a lot of competition formats, but like you can go sit down. There's places around the country all year long that you can go sit down with all of the people that think that they have a shot at being the best in the country, and you can smoke it all, and you can find out, or you could sample things from all over the place and like really find out about it. And what happens in any market is you hear about this brand or that brand, and like their price point is higher than the average, and is it good or not? And and some people like you know, they'll buy one of those jars and find for them that at the price point they paid, it's not really that good. That's we call that hype, right? Like really hype things that just aren't good. And then there's the like there's other brands that you can get any jar on the menu at any given time, and you're gonna get a great jar that is worth that price or exceeds the competition at that price point. And so, like, for me, like you referenced like competitions, like I have placed top three in a handful of them for sure, but mostly I'm really consistent in the top 10, like almost every time. And I enter jars that are usually like that, like there's like people have comp spec jars, they'll call it, like where they they pull out all the stops, right? Like it's only 90 to 120, and it's processed a special way that they don't normally do because it doesn't get the best yield, and this, that, and the other thing. And like I just enter the jars that I make that are available to people, like it's still 73 to 159. They're very, very, very similar. Like, it might be like just the first two poles instead of all three, but it's really, really close representation, and so like I you can do that by having really unique things. Like the first time I did that at Ego Clash, I had this selection of Sugar Shack from my friend the Cab Lab on Instagram, and that did really, really well, you know. But the thing that I've actually placed top three like gotten trophies for the most is actually Black Maple, which most people are like, oh, that's you know, old or played out or whatever, just like a lot of great strains over the years. And so I think that like you can approach it from a lot of different ways, but for me, the competitions have always been like a thing that I'm doing it to go see where I stand among my peers and to experience the jars that are available and on the market because I'm much more deeply interested in that aspect of like what is good, what is quality, what is good, like what are the new flavors, where are people going, what do I want to hunt next? Um more so than that I'm concerned about like raising my jar price, but I think that depending on which section of the market you're serving, like yes, going to uh your local or national competition and putting something you're proud of in there and doing well, like anything, and especially like nationally to me, like if you're getting in the top 10, like that's really good. Like there's usually anywhere from 30 to 60 people coming from all over the country to put up their best. And if you can have all of the people that make these products agree that you're one of the best to do it, yeah, that's good for your brand for sure. Like it makes you know conversations easier for sure.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:33

Yeah, for sure. So like because like for us, like right now, like what goes in like our 90 jars. So for when we we run a 90, we we run a two-tier system. So it's just tier one 90U and then tier two full spectrum. So for our 90U, you know, we've gotten to the point where it's like, how do you put out the best quality you can? How do you put out the best quality 90 jar you can, but also the best quality full spec jar you can. Um, the issue with the legal market I find here in Colorado is that if you only have a 90U tier, if you only have your top tier, highest quality jar, usually that's gonna be a little bit more expensive for your an average customer to come and buy that jar. So what happens is that it kind of um removes you from having access to that potential customer. So what we decided to do was we launched a full spectrum line. So our full spectrum line is 25 to 219U. It is a true full spec. Um it's got 90 in it. Uh, and so we wanted to put out the best full spec resin profile we could just to give people a little bit better access to our brand because otherwise you're kind of pricing yourself out. So what we found was that it actually has boomed. So from when we have for our like when we track our order cadences and our SKU cadences, we saw that 90U was moving very, very fast. Um, however, what has now happened is that the full spectrum has now taken over in terms of revenue just because it has allowed us to get into more retail locations. So whenever a whenever a purchasing manager comes to buy a jar from you, you know, they can at least make they have a little bit better margin room to where they can charge a good ticket, but still give person a high quality resin. So what we have to do is just kind of put them on the filtering system, is what we call it. It's almost like a sales funnel. How do you convert a pre-roll? You know, what can I get the cheapest pre-roll you got on your shelf smoker? How do you convert them to a high-end rosin smoker? Uh, you know, a lot of times they don't have all the knickknacks, they don't have the dabbers or the quartz banger or the rig. So that's where Puffco comes in. So we're a Puffco affiliated hash company. So that has helped tremendously. So what we've had to also do is is we had to also launch, you know, we have an AIO skew, the one that's like right here in this, I'm trying to point to it, the one that's like right here in this background. Um, we have the AIO SKU. So we do a half gram cartridge. And so when we release a drop of 90U and full spectrum, we also release an AIO of those same flavors. So what happens is that that's full spectrum rosin, that 25 to 219U that goes in the these these white jars right here, the same rosin that goes in this white jar also goes into this pen. So you're putting a really high, like what we talked about earlier, you're putting a very high quality input uh into the into the cartridge to give somebody a better experience. And so now, you know, they're gonna be like, oh shit, I love this pen. Let me try their actual dabbles out of a puff coat. So let me try their full spec. Then they try the full spec and they're like, wow, there's 90 you in it. They have a tier one that's just 90 you separated. We only put first pull 90 in this jar. And so it's the best of our resin that we can put out that goes in the jars. And I think that's what's um created a lot of uh traction and traffic for us, is because people are receptive to the fact that, you know, in-house is now a brand that's associated with quality, and we're not just cut the cost covers and trying to pump shit out. We're really trying to find those unique flavors. We just did a whole drop of random phenos. Dude, I've had a I had a Rambi 10 126 pheno that we watched like two weeks ago. It hit less than 1%, you know, but we don't we could have put that on the menu because it just, you know, you it doesn't yield enough. However, we want to go through the motions to see. It was the loudest tarp in the entire room. Our grow team was so fired up about it, and then we put it in the osprey and it doesn't yield shit. And you're like, well, now what do you do? So I think you have to go through those losses. You have to go through um those shitty yielders, unfortunately, but you're gonna find a keeper. You're gonna find that black maple trot cookie 78. You know, you're gonna find uh we have a cotton candy grapes right here. This is one of my favorites. It's cotton candy grapes 101. We call it white grapes. Um, it's a super fire turp, super fire jar. Uh, and so we pheno hunted that. So now what we can do is um because we have the space, we can then take that cotton candy grapes 101 pheno, and then we can go and breed it with something else and make some really unique shit. Unless you're trying to get to that point with the passion to find the unique flavor. I don't see um hash making as like a feasible thing because you're competing with so many different flavor profiles, so many different breeders in this world. I mean, you guys saw all the you know the toad venom stuff. So, like, you know, people, you know, people are gonna roast your ass if you're putting out booth and trying to wrap it in gold wrapping paper. And that's just how it is, even on the rec market here. So we lead with quality, we try to at least. And I think that's why we've gotten to this point. You know, we launched, you know, in May it'll be two years. We've been on the rec market for two years, uh, and we've grown this organization to well over 220 stores across the state. Uh, so that's an anomaly, but I think because we've led with the quality and the unique flavors, and like we've also um done it right, I think that like the passion is there and people can see that, you know. I'm a founder of a company, but I smoke this shit. People want to see that. I feel like they don't they they don't want somebody to just throw money at a hash company and remove the passion for why people do this in the first place.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:26

Kay, you said a lot of interesting things, man. Um, I I want to follow up on a lot of them, but what you just said is is exactly what happened with with peer pressure, right? And and them going under basically. And uh if you're somebody who's in hash and you're in this industry and you don't smoke, like get the fuck out. That's the that's my like I and I stand on that and I've always stood on that, and I've dealt with a lot of people that have you know been been in and out of the industry. Oh, the rec market is here, and you know, but we don't consume it all. And it's uh you know I don't I don't work with people like that. So I just wanted to add that, but I have more to add after we hear from some from some other people.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:02

Yeah, for sure. I I completely agree, Kyle. And I think also uh one of the reasons why we even got on the rec market to begin with was because you know we come from the traditional side. So like we saw like there was like people were saying that rec hash isn't good or it's like not as good as the traditional market, and we wanted to kind of like change that, you know, we wanted to be a part of that, but you know, you got to put your money where your mouth is sometimes and go for it. And for us, it's worked out, for some it hasn't, unfortunately. So um, yeah, I think it's just the perseverance side of things is really big.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:34

Well, scaling too, you guys have a you know, look, the the decisions, right? This idea of decisions and what the things you embody, and you know, what you're marketing is not stuff, it's values, right? People get this can misconstrued. Marketing is values, right? And when you are about it and you can stand on that, I mean that's that's real. That is as real as there are companies that spend millions and trillions of dollars trying to get that ad campaign done, and you just live it.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:08

Yeah, you you have to live it though, you have to have a pulse of the market. You know, I see some people in the chat you know saying they don't mind if people don't smoke. Um, I don't really either. I only mind if people are you know pioneering a company and claiming they have the best Rosin and you know trying to talk about it and they then they don't smoke. It's uh it makes no sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:26

You know, and it and shout out to peer pressure, you know, Ben Britton and and the that whole crew. I mean, I think all of us here, it sounds on this panel have been touched by that engineering and the ability to be able to touch more people as a result. Um it's it was really unique. And now there's a million awesome companies that have spawned uh you know since then.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:47

But um, yeah, my my peer pressure video is almost at five million views on YouTube right now, just just from like pressing flower, bro. I just pressed flower.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:59

Yo, but that's that's that's so important, you know what I mean? Like, let's be real. The that you you doing that and showing the world what that looks like and how to do that. I mean, man, it's like you know, I I I'm really proud to be a friend of yours because you're able to you know live through your passion, man. That's that's everything. That is what I think 98% of people in this world yearn for. You know, and and Marcus, like you've you've been able to to not only through that, but you're bad think about the the amount of people you've touched through the the ability to sell those bags. You know, that's I'm giving Marcus his flowers right now, everybody. A few, a few, just a couple, just a little couple bouquets here.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:46

Good to play your part. Appreciate the kind words. I want to hear from Turps over Yields back from when uh Stuart was uh going deep on uh just the truth of the scene and how it was and how it is and the transition between those two things.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:03

So yeah, Stuart's really been in the game for much longer than me. I'm uh a little on the younger side, been in Colorado for like five years, but I guess I could say now I've had like a good grip on the market and what's been going on, and I've learned a lot from Stuart and like Nuch and Portal Provisions. Uh but yeah, I mean it's and I agree with Kay with uh from in-house what he said about pheno hunting and and doing all these things like entering competitions, it's it's a very uh big deal. And I think if you're passionate and you want to get yourself out there, this is what you have to do. Like you gotta you have to stay pheno hunting, or in my opinion, you're kind of fucking up because like it with the access of the internet and these clone banks and all these things, like everyone's growing the same shit, you know. So if you're not pheno hunting, you know, it's you know, you're not gonna find anything good, you're just gonna be right on the market with everyone else. That's just my opinion. But um, you know, there are some people that you know can do their thing and grow these strains that are kind of you know popular and make that their make it their thing, but uh yeah, man, just entering comps and and and and pheno hunting, um, you know, there's so many ways to do it. Um yeah, I kind of lost track of my your your question, honestly.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:23

Yeah, that well to add to your point, man, it's like uh even if you're not pheno hunting, you still have to look, be hunting for a cut. You know, you don't have to necessarily be popping seeds and dedicating production space to that. Like for us, like we even had to go to the traditional side right here. This is um watermelon laders by Omakase Farms, and they're they're local out here. And so, you know, they have an amazing, amazing turp profile that we saw that was unique that we could bring to the legal market, and and it's just been tremendous. You know, uh we've even run too much watermelon, so we mixed too much lime with watermelon layers. So, unless you're trying to like do that, um, you're setting yourself back a little bit because then you're competing with, you know, some really, really top quality hash makers in here in Colorado. And I agree, I think that Colorado, um, with what we were saying about um we need kind of a competition out here in Colorado, is that you know, we need to be able to have people that put their jars to the test. Like the last one that I could think of that was like really credible was when we launched our own brand uh here. We uh Puffco did a jar check. They said, you know, uh shout out to Puffco, you know, anybody on Recmed or traditional market, pull up with your jar and let's put it to the test. And so I think it's stuff like that to where people aren't afraid to bring their material uh because they could get in trouble. I think that fear needs to be removed um in order for us to have like a true, like organic and uh humble, humble community. 100%.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:54

Yeah, I agree, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:56

Yeah. And like that's coming from us who, like, you know, last year we were the only legal rosin company to get invited to Ego Clash. So, like, um, it's even causing some of the legal companies to not want to participate in competitions and stuff like that. So I think there's a lot of like we we touched base on a lot of really good points. Um, but at the end of the day, like if your why isn't big enough on why you're growing this plant, why you're trying to like give it the best like life it possibly can, if you're not trying to cultivate that, um, it's gonna be really tough because you're just gonna give up when it gets hard and you're not able to move your jars, or you know, your AC goes out, or you know, you're they shut your power off like they did for 45 days for us back in the day. Like, if you just give up, like it's not gonna work, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:48

Gotta persevere. Go figure. Well, I'm stoked to uh be in the in the Colorado market. We're uh definitely not in 200 stores yet, but I think we're in about 120 or 130. Nice.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:04

And that's that's tremendous, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:06

Yeah, well, we got a really great sales guy, and he was in the market like for the many, many years uh selling all-in-one live hash raws and all-in-ones, and he really helped that company, you know, uh build up to a significant uh presence in Colorado. And so it's uh I think it's advantageous to have someone like that uh with you. But uh I also um yeah, I I have a unique situation too, in the sense that I I I turned so many people on to making hash and sold them the bags, which kind of created this whole like phenotyping for washing thing, and so now I just have this incredible connection to all these hash makers I don't even know that I know. You know, like geez, I how did I bump into you, Stuart? Where was that? Well, that was at an ego clash, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_11 1:25:08

Yeah, we met in Barcelona and uh this last year, probably about a year ago now.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:13

Dude, it was both. It was both. It was an ego clash, and I was doing jar check with Jolly Roger in the little building in the back. So that is a trip. Yeah, that was a great place to meet you, dude. Out of all the people there.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:30

No, I mean that's what's so amazing about this plant, man. It brings people from all over together. That's uh you know, and again, hash is an amazing vessel for that. I uh you know, again, it's readriven me like you know, as a grower, it's like it's again to go back to just maintaining passion. Um if you're just growing year after year the same things and you're growing for it's it's like that's not why I got into this. I love the diversity of cannabis. Um there's so much more to explore uh as far as the genome and with hash. I mean, we've just scratched the service. I mean, what's been done in the past four or five years as far as genotyping and finding all these flavor profiles that you know are both viable uh for the process and just you know really kind of covering the full spectrum of um, you know, it's it's it's really come a long way. But yeah, it's it's uh it's brought a lot of people together, man. It was cool to meet you out there and then we have mutual friends head and um you know that's that's one of my favorite aspects of the community. Um and in Colorado we've really been building that and bridging. It's been good to see like everybody come together, but you know, uh like the Denver hash makers and people like me and Jack are up in the mountains, and you know, with the legal side. Um you know, in the end of the day, we're all really fighting for the same things, and that's uh to try to bring the best hash, you know, uh possible and with with good integrity to the people. So it's been good to see.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:07

I love it. The best hash with integrity to the people, you know. Um it it is funny though, because the market, as you go into the highest caliber of things, the market becomes so much smaller compared to as uh you well, like Kay even mentioned, oh, we just did a full spectrum hash, still super nice, but now it's outdoing the 90U. It's like, yeah, and if you did a traditional hash, it would outdo both of them because there's just this this group of people, uh the amount of people that's smoke traditional hash. That's kind of one of the one of the pathways I've taken is can I create hash that is um the highest quality it can be for the hash that it is. Uh-huh. So try to imagine. Getting out of a 70 or a 60 or even a 50% and going down into a 40 and a 30, you know, or a 30 to 50, uh, if you will. Uh a substantially different um product, but a product nonetheless that you know people love and appreciate and desire and want. And so traditional hash, uh as much as we're definitely, you know, wanting to produce podium products, and and we have already created some really great partners in Colorado who grow incredible flour, uh, really for you know, fresh frozen to be turned into uh it to be washed, which is great. We've we've had some melt uh on the market through uh my partner Daniel at uh 111, and that's also been awesome. But um but the but the traditional hash is is extremely like desired. People really love that shit. And if you can if you can create something unique as well, which is like you know, something something like uh where you have like a black, a blonde, and a red, you know, like that, that kind of thing, which uh is also just a paying homage to the traditional processes that of course you know the greedy got their hands on and figured out ways to cut and dilute and create um you know bad names for that hash. When really, when that hash is in pure form, any smoker, if given it in the right through the right tool, through the right pipe for the right moment, um, whether that's a hubbly bubbly or a a sorry or whatever kind of pipe, um, it's also a special experience, you know. I'm not talking about shitty, nasty ass traditional hash that's been cut and it burns your throat, but just a really nice, you know, maybe but 35 to 40 percent uh THC hash. Really something uh something like this. This one is uh is probably just under 40 percent. It's very soft. Just a traditional hash. This is going on eight months of curing. Um, and so I probably would probably end up rolling it into a ball again. I've shown it many times on Hash Church over the course of the last eight months, and I have not cut into it or broken into it because that's one of the unique things that traditional hash does that um high-end rosins, high-end sifts, high-end uh wet wash, bubbles, right? Full melt, six stars. They don't always age better. In fact, they very rarely do. Um but traditional hash does. There's really something to be said for pressing and coagulating the heads, creating that skin on the outside. Uh, and when it has, you know, more plant matter in it, if you will, more contaminant, it's just the chemistry that occurs in there is so much different um than when it's extremely high caliber. That and the fact that you know, the nostalgic box that gets checked for people that are traditional hash smokers, and there's millions of them, um, they're not they don't uh they're not smoking like 65-70 percent. Like that's not what they were that's not what they that's not what most of them want. You know, they want something that's much more um, you know, allows you to continue on with your day and not be, you know, completely devastated by taking a rocket ship to the moon, which don't get me wrong, I love rocket ships to the moon personally. Uh I love them when they're super tasty. Uh, those are kind of my favorite ones. And I'm also just on a side note, dig in the image that Scully has been drawing this whole time. It's been it's been pretty good, dude. Like, I was like, oh, is that a plant? And oh, he's got someone washing. I think I see the freeze dryer trays. It's super cool to see it come together over the conversation uh of what we've been uh sort of having. And I like the conversation as well, uh, between the differences between the regulated and the unregulated, or however you guys call them. I'm not trying to insult any markets, the two sides of the market, one that requires a license, I guess, more than the other one. I'm not sure how it's really done in Colorado. I know that um we have a similar thing here in Canada, even though we have federal legalization, there are still cracks in the um federal regulations that allow, you know, you can you can't really purchase for the longest time you could only purchase 10 milligrams in a single package. Now they do 10 packages of 10 milligrams, so you can actually buy 100 milligrams. But for someone that eats 100 milligrams at a pop, to go in and buy these huge bags with all put into package of 10 milligrams, like you can see it doesn't make sense. Like people want to be able to buy 20 and 30 and 40 and 50 milligram gummies and even 100 milligram gummies if if they so want. And because that doesn't exist, then of course someone's going to make that available as they should, because um um, yeah, we're fighting for access. For me, I've always fought for access more than um for a particular way of access. So I never shame anyone in regards to whatever market they're in. They obviously uh all exist for a reason because you know there's a desire. And when there's a desire, all you have to do is is Phil said, desire. And um I would suspect it's a unique group of people who um focus on purchasing heady jars on the bi-weekly, you know, regular, if you will. Uh that's going to uh, you know, I'm sure some people buy baller jars every, you know, a couple of times a week. And I'm sure the people that you I I will remember back in the day when I was, you know, slanging herbs, how awesome it was uh that you got to have this sort of like conversation and relationship with these all these different people that relied on you uh for your choice, you know, for the choice that you, which is really what we're talking about, a curated item of SKUs available to a specific customer base in a specific place. You know, we're gonna go out of our way, grow incredible canvas, we're gonna phenotype, we're gonna find all these different things. Maybe, you know, one of the things my brand has has considered is you know getting a breeder to, you know, we were talking to Chimera uh a little bit, which I think he would be amazing, to you know, breed some things that don't really exist in the market that are just like somewhat different, you know, like uh Kay was saying, like produce something that's you know outside the ordinary. If the more we go down the rabbit hole of this quality, the more that people plant more seeds, you know, kind of the more the merrier. Uh Sam was always, you know, when he wanted to do breeding, not necessarily phenotyping, but breeding, he would plant like 50 to 100,000 seeds, which is just absolutely incredible when you think of the scale of walking through that whole field and like picking your four or five or six plants that you're gonna breed with. Um, I always dreamed of doing that with him in Jamaica. He had a hundred thousand haze crossed with haze seeds, and I thought, oh my God, in a perfect utopian world, we would set up a uh, you know, a lab where we could literally, you know, sequence every plant in the in the field, you know, take take their aggregate all that data through AI or whatever. Um have Sam pick his five or six and then you know, sell the Willy Wonka tickets for other breeders to come in and pick like three or four or five cuts from this hundred thousand seed population. That uh you just feel terrible if it went uh only to the six plants that Sam chose. I just would be like, oh man, we got to give this opportunity to more people. I'm a huge uh fan of the haze. I didn't see a ton of it while I was in Colorado. A lot of a lot of tasty flavors there, a lot of gas and candy and and goodness. I didn't see as many hazes. Maybe uh focus on that next time. Did someone had haze though? Who who had haze? Was it you, Jack?

SPEAKER_07 1:37:06

No, I think you're thinking of Stu. Uh the cherry, maybe it's the cherry cowboy.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:11

The cherry cow probably wasn't the cherry cowboy. Yeah, that was the haziest one. That's right. That's right. We were at Kyle's hit dabbing that out.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:19

Yeah, I remember that jar specifically because I'm a haze guy myself, and um, nobody here will take their plants long enough to want to grow a haze, especially in a licensed facility. Um, most people are you know of the mindset of I need five to six harvests a year, you know, out of let's just say, you know, one big room. Um and they they're they're not gonna run you know hazes the the amount of time that they need to properly go. So it's one of those those uh anomalies where you can actually get more on this market here for properly done sativas or or hazes um that are taken longer and properly done um than just like the normal you know, run-of-the-mill stuff like black maple, super booth, you know, all the Z crosses. Um and a lot of the people are flavor chasers and and don't really like that racy high. So I I prefer it myself.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:07

Then we must do it for ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:11

We have to, but but yeah, I will tell you out in New York, it's it's we had a strawberry sour piff that went to market and it was the first thing to sell out. Like within hours, it was gone.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:22

Well, New York's a little bit of a mature haze market.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:26

It's true. We are, yeah. They and they want no jagterps at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:33

You know, so which is a fine line, right? Because I love the jagters, like the terpinaline side of it is is something I'm I'm just a sucker for. Um, but then there's people that want more of like that, yeah, the Cuban black haze or um some of the more exactly. So they don't want that terpinaline, the jackie.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:52

Dude, I want it all. I'm not fussy, I'll take it all. Just line it up. There we go. We'll hit it one by one. I wish I had more haze. I uh oh, I might have a tiny little bit left here of the band-aid haze. But uh how is that one?

SPEAKER_11 1:39:11

That's one I've always wanted to do. I try, don't think I've ever had straight band-aid.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:16

I I liked it, but the guy who sent it also sent me one of Tom Hill's cuts, and I don't know, it wasn't really exactly his X or double X or triple X. Um but it was you know the closest thing he could find in Canada where someone could just send me a cut legally and a little bag of weed. And so it was a much more favorite, more of that cat pissy haze, just real rank, like you know, and and but yet in the air, extremely perfumey. A really nice perfume flavor, which I I've always loved about the haze. I've always loved a joint that if you lit in a room full of people in a loud, stuffy, like you know, at like a Modesky Martin and Wood show or something, you light that thing up and all the people, and there might only be three or four or five of them, but all of them, every one of them that's in that room that loves haze, will come find you with their nose and be like, hey, that's uh that's a nice one, eh? It's like, yeah, yeah, it is. Uh, did you want to have a puff? I always, when I go to concerts, I you know, I haven't in a long time because I didn't smoke joints, but back in the day, I would roll many joints uh and just give them to people. Mostly when I was a taper and I needed people who wouldn't stop talking to go on the other side of the venue. I would give them joints, but also just what a great thing to give people. I guess nowadays it's more sketchy because people make pre-roll joints with floor sweepings, distillate, and botanical terps. And you could really be given a surprise at a concert nowadays, but I would hope for better. You know, roll your buds if you're gonna give those joints away, people. This is uh advice uh from your Uncle Bubble Man. Don't uh be don't don't don't use the floor sweepings. And yes, Ghost Train Haze is a banger.

SPEAKER_11 1:41:15

Yeah, Ghost Train Haze is special.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:18

Yeah, that's Scott Reach, right? That's uh that's rare dangers, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:41:22

Scott Reach.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:23

That's Scott.

SPEAKER_11 1:41:24

So like I think that won one of the first ego clashes, um like, and and there's a really popular cut that was selected up in Seattle because it was like goat organics, but yeah, there's that's one that's uh if you're looking for haze uh varieties that wash, um obviously I think it'd be pretty tough to find any of those seed stock. I don't know if he still releases that, but that's a good place to look. For haze church that follow through and it's you know actually pretty good yield.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:54

Oh, and are actually like haze, like when you like the main thing I always love about haze is that it's so uplifting and just is like a shot of energy. And uh, you know, some some years back, it man, it might have been 15 plus years back. I was at the hotel Krasnopolski in Amsterdam and it was late, like one in the morning or something. And Scott came by and he had this jar. It was I I don't it was melt. I'm pretty I'm 90% sure it was full melt, and it was like you know, 10 grams or more, maybe. And uh he came by, and I shit you not. I we stayed up all night smoking that hash. Like even at the end, when he left, he was like, I don't know why I thought that was a good idea. Coming here at one in the morning with a jar of hash that you just couldn't go to sleep on. You took one rip and then you got so energized and told the story, and then you were like, Oh man, that tasted so good. I'm gonna have another one of those. Oh my god. One of my best experiences.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:55

I see uh I see Dredd in the chat too. He he ran the stuff at House of Dangus for a long time. He's an OG. Yeah, he remembers a lot of the times that we were talking about. You know, I remember when Dave Malone was first getting green dot off the ground and Dave was running the garden and he was popping a bunch of boaty gear and he was taking plants uh that were just crazy, crazy unique uh cultivars, and he was taking them like 120, 130 days. Um, and that was the time when nobody else was like, is like, you know, people were zigging and Dave was zagging. Um and then Viola came out, you know, Al Harrington, yeah, um, and and the BHO side, there was a lot of people that were really doing this properly to begin with, and it's really nice to see it transferred over to Rosin um and Hash. And it makes it even harder because you know, you're using mechanical separation versus liquefying tricheads, um, which the yields are totally different, right? So BHO will dump all the time, whereas Rosin, you'll have stuff that on being on the BHO side will just, you know, just pump out weight. And then on the Rosin side, you're you know, half a percent and you're like, oh shit. Well, what I have is absolute fire. But um, for market viability for a business, it just doesn't really make sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:06

Yeah, it hurts. Yeah, Dredd just came in and gifted five memberships away as he does every week. He pops in and just gifts out the uh, but when you were talking about that, he said that uh that was the year they won Legends of Hash 2013.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:21

Yeah, Dread's and Dredd's an OG. Shout out to Dred. I know he's running a bunch of stuff now too that looks fire on see on his Facebook and Instagram. Um he's one of the best growers that is in the industry for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:34

So that that leads me into um a what Kay was talking about earlier in regards to you know, hash competitions, hash gatherings, uh Jolly Rogers jar check. I agree, it's exceptional. Like I was so stoked on it. I even asked him, I was like, I don't know why I haven't been doing this, like my whole like since I've been doing this, I should have been doing this jar check. But um, we definitely love the idea of, and this you know falls into into Kyle's space in uh downtown Denver there, of of doing obviously Legends of Hash, which would be probably an annual thing, but also, and I I don't want to by any means uh you know jump on Jolly Rogers and steal jar check as a name, but as a concept, as a gathering, as a sort of scouting for cur for future legends of hash, being able to do maybe a monthly or bi-monthly or whatever, you know, bring us your jars and let's see what you got. And we'll have a little mini, like judge by your peers, kind of like see where you stand without really being uh an official contest. It could be, you know what I mean, like not on the same level as, you know, in my opinion, the people who scored the highest at those events would be the people that competed at the end of the year at the actual legends of hash, you know, which is really more than a competition. It's the celebration of, you know, hash legends like Skunk Man Sam now that he's passed on, and many, many others, and sort of paying homage to some of the traditional methods and of smoking hash, like hubbly bubbly rips of like your full melt bubble and rosin mixed on top of a pile of you know, a beautiful screen that allows it to just take the most magnificent rip you've ever taken. So we do have you know some ideas in the queue for that. And obviously, Kyle Space, the reserve is uh I mean, it's fucking ridiculous, dude. For those of you that have been there, you know, but uh for those of you that don't, it is an absolute like behemoth in regards to the caliber. You feel like you're in a ski chalet, like it's so fucking trippy, and uh, I'm excited that we're gonna start uh you know making some shit happen there and create a space that um can kind of hone in on some of this top-tier, you know, hash uh and rosin making. I mean, listen, for me, I love the I love full melt bubble, you know. Do I love rosin? Absolutely. I think rosin's awesome. I think rosin should almost always be accompanied by the hash it was squished from. That would be amazing. I I would love to go to a store and buy the flour, the hash, and the rosin and see. Because for the most part, um, I think when hash has been grown exceptionally, that is one of the highest calibers of product that you can get. Whether you washed it or whether you mechanically screened it off, you could run it through a press and and get like a 96% yield and reduce it by four more percent. And and you could argue that it would would be better. Um, but when I get a 96% melter, I I just that is that's the holy grail for me. What about you guys? I'd love to hear what your holy grails are in regards to Marcus Present.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:06

I did that already. Um, and I everyone is gonna start doing it. So you you you touched on something that I I thought of uh like probably a year and a half ago. So I created the duality box and the trilogy box. Um the duality box is the flower and the ramusin side by side, and the trilogy box is the flower, the metal, and then the um and the and the ramison side by side. So like having all three in a representation, I think is key. Um and it's it's kind of what we're doing with the space too, where we're highlighting um the top tier of everything in hash, but it also goes back to fire in, fire out, right? You want to be able to see the flower. Um, so that's that's my two cents is always being able to see you know the start point, even the midpoint at the bubble, and then you know the end point at the rosin. It's it's really an experience.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:52

Yeah, it's awesome. The flight, if you will. The the flight of resin. Correct. But what about you guys? I'd like to hear from people on the panel in regards to um whether you prefer hash or rosin or whether you have kind of an affinity for both of them equal. And hash could be dry sifted, you know, static heads or wet washed, purified heads.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:18

Uh I'll I'll just say blanketed. Like it's it's much like the orchestra. Sometimes certain varietals have better porn sections. So you're like, I'm gonna listen to that now a little bit more. And or there's a string section, and it could be gas and fruit or whatever. It just if the resin is really phenomenal, I'm gonna gravitate towards that. And I love because I have a huge palate. You know, I'm one of these people that really there's very few profiles. I'm like, ew, you know, um, to be honest with you. So I love everything for what it's worth. And I try to find that magic in whatever that that the best representation of the resin is.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:00

Okay, so you're a hash go ahead.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:03

I'm a hash brute. I mix them all together. I like them all. So, you know, people are I I've always understood people in their camps, but I like to mix all my hash together. I like the full full spectrum. I know that's that's sacrilege, and I'm you know Satanist, probably to some people, but you know, I've you know, I get a little bit here, I get a little bit there, but when I mix it all together, I get everything I want in one beautiful thing. And yeah, uh I I have mixes. I have a water hash mix that I've been doing since 2008 and my BHO um mix, which I finally added Rosin to in 2017. I mean, that's been ongoing since 2012. So, you know, I just keep keeping a small autoclave, heat it up to about 120, 130, mix it all together, and that's what I like to use, but I'm the weirdo in the group.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:03

Oh yeah, Stuart.

SPEAKER_11 1:51:05

Uh I I really enjoy smoking uh you know full spectrum. I think like hash, you really, you know, once you start pressing things, putting things under heat, and you start isolating micron ranges for a lot, like you lose uh, you know, if you lose some of the luster, you're gonna lose the out of like some of the monoterpenes and some of the more volatile compounds anytime you press. And then you get different expressions of uh you know terpenes and cannabinoids and the different uh micron sizes of the heads. I think that kind of you know contributes to that you know entourage effect of just having like a you know a menagerie of it's it's more medicine. Um but like I also love the art of isolating 90 you and like hundred yield and really getting in and fractionalizing the resin and trying to be as clean as possible with specific genetics. But you know, that's I think that's where you know hash making really gets into an art, um, you know, on the on the making side. And just it's also you know, to be able to make 90 U that melts like water, um, you know, because you've isolated a variety that has a very thin cuticle and um you know what's probably very hard to even isolate, you know, to pull that micron range even in a cold room, somebody is really special. So it's like from that aspect I love you, isolate it, you know, trying to get really clean, low agitation. Um but yeah, again, the diversity of cannabis, it's tough to choose, you know, between rosin full melt and um you know, some of these other, you know, I I even traditional ash, I love that smell and flavor. Um I don't smoke it as much now, but you know, I I do like have nostalgia for for that aspect as well. So it's hard to choose.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:02

Yeah, I'm uh I have to say recently, like when I was younger, I used to be on Rosin uh because I like you know, it was a little easier, I didn't have to clean up anything. But since I started, you know, doing my own little thing and making six-star mill, I was like, yeah, man, nothing beats this. This is superior to rosin, in my opinion. There's some really good rosin, but there's just something about smoking really good full mill, man. Like it just hits differently, the effects are better for me, it tastes better. It's just you know, the true experience of hash, in my opinion. But rosin's great too. Um, but you know, hash will always fucking be number one.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:40

Um smoking that that's what I'm saying, you know. You you've got a hundred people in a room, and I'll ask everyone who has, you know, if it's a cannabis, like you know, panel that I'm doing at a you know, on concentrates or something, like 75 people will have rosin in that room. I'll say who has rosin? They'll hold up their hands, then I'll say who has full melt bubble. And you might get like maybe, maybe 10, maybe five hands go up. And then if you ask who has full mount dry sift, I mean, unless Skunk Man Sam was in the room, I would rarely see a hand go up at all. And I always like that told me everything I needed to know about which one of these is harder to obtain because the information's there for everyone. Do you know what I mean? Like anyone can do it. Having six-star full mouth dude is rare. Like you're in you're in a small group of people if you have that. And then to me, I always thought, and this this was my blessing, to be honest. In the early days and the late 90s, when I started doing this, and I had full melt bubble that melted like water, I was able to turn, I don't even know how many people, you know. I can't say it was hundreds because it probably had to be thousands. And just to be able to put that in someone's pipe the first time or on a swing or on a whatever we were puffing on at the time off of a screen with a a beeline lighting it up and letting the dome pop up on the screen, the way the tension of the hash sat on a stainless steel screen would create these beautiful domes. It was uh yeah, that was uh that was my bonus. That was my gift that I got in return because it was the greatest thing ever to turn people on to this. And now, you know, and and the way I say that too, uh, you know, is terps is because um it's too easy for people to just a not give a fuck, to be think they give a fuck, and then just transfer the material over in a in some form or another that gets it to a point where now it's it's decent. Instead of just learning the relationship that Kay was going on about for a little bit earlier on, going on in regards to you gotta have a relationship, you gotta plant seeds, you gotta fucking make like phenohint, you gotta like make your choices and bring things that are special to the to the to the customer. Otherwise, uh, you know, you can't curate that that I don't want to say higher caliber, but just like more aware caliber of customer who's willing to say, you know, I'm not trying to buy like pre-roll joints with uh floor sweepings, disty and uh uh botanical terps. I want to purchase something that is uh truly uh, you know, a special product, something that went into, you know, the the love of the of the of the genetics, finding the genetics, creating those relationships, you know, having your finger on on the pulse in regards to who's even growing great genetics. Um, obviously it's a lot easier to do now because you can see it, but back in the day you kind of had to like uh put more trust in these things, and it was hard to get good genetics. Now, you know, good genetics are also okay. Here's a question that would come up for you guys. Do you see good genetics now that it's such a competitive um landscape? Do you feel that you're less likely to share genetics that you have, knowing that they could come back around and become your competition? Because that's always a sensitive topic uh in regards to, you know, and I sit on both sides of the fence for genetics that I am given, I'll give to anyone. Uh, but I do understand if someone puts like specific breeding work in and real hunting and actual work into, you know, creating something that doesn't really exist, well, you know, that's that's theirs. That's totally understandable as well. So I sit on both sides of the fence, but I'd love to hear from you guys on that.

SPEAKER_09 1:58:01

Yeah, I think personally that like if you I think it's more or less like is that other person or whoever you're giving the genetic to, are they gonna like be representing your genetic how kind of how you would want them to be? I think that can be some of the conversations that you have with those relationships. Um, so that's why like I always try to give credit where credit's due. But I think you're to answer your question in regards to the melt and rosin situation, I think it's super strain dependent. I think the reason why when you ask a hundred room full of hundred people and only one person's got full melt bubble, I think it's because it's such limited strains. So only certain strains, in my opinion, can have that grease down rate that equates to you know melting like water, like you guys are uh alluding to. I think that there's there's only certain resin profiles that can handle that to get to the six-star level. Um, for us, uh, we run a melt skew as well, but we have to do it super limited.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:56

I think there's more than you think. That that's what I will say about that. Because, and the only reason I say that is you know, there's anomalies. And my friend Raz used to work for Mark Emery for his seed bank, and he would just pop any old seed for, and not that it was from just anyone, but they'd be from like the breeders of the time. And then he would grow it to absolute fucking perfection, as well as I ever seen anyone grow a plant, and then I'd run them and and produce like incredibly melty hash. And it wasn't always the yield, wasn't always there, but the melt factor was like always there. He started making me start doubting uh myself because I thought that early on as well that there weren't that many you know, cultivars that can really melt like this. And and in a sense, you're not wrong if you can't get them to, but it doesn't mean that they can't. If that do you guys know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_09 1:59:58

Yeah, I agree. I think like I would still like personally, I would smoke it, but like to try to get somebody to like there a lot of times now, like people are so like almost like programmed or accustomed to seeing a wet rosin. So they want to see that batter, that buttery texture. And so if they're not getting that from their full melt, if it's not that wet full melt, like we've even run uh sourine, which is um Ireno G and Sour Diesel IBL. Uh, and that was more of a wetter consistency. And people were that was one of the ones that sold out faster because I think they're making a connection. Uh so I guess I I yeah, I agree with you completely. I think I would personally smoke any kind of melt if you handed it to me, uh just to see what it's like, because otherwise you won't know if it's a good one or not. Uh so for me, it's I it's I'm a little bit biased in that perspective. But for like the average person who doesn't even necessarily know what rosin is, educating them on full melt might be a little bit challenging.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:57

Yeah, I don't doubt that whatsoever. Um yeah, it for producing wet rosin in Colorado. I wonder what the supply chain is required to make sure that shit doesn't go in the wrong jar that's not properly sealed, because I'm sure those vox could just and the problem with volatile organic compounds inside a sealed jar as well is they create pressure in the jar, right? That's why when you open it, you get that little blast of like, ooh, that one smells good sometimes from a distance, because if there's an enough vox, enough vox in there and you crack it, you get this really lovely smell that pops off. Um, you got to think that supply chain of the proper jar that seals properly for for rosin uh is gonna be super important to maintain that greasy, uh wet you know, rosin. Oh, we got some color going in here. Oh, look at that. He's going, he's he just did the first lines, dude. Scully's been uh drawing almost the entire church at Tien. Uh I know, I've been watching.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:07

I've watched uh uh from the sidelines quietly this morning because uh it's Easter. But uh no, he's great. Uh I'm a you know, I was a printmaker lithographer before I got into cannabis. Uh so I always love the artistic process as a self-trained artist. Uh all what he's doing and why I enjoy watching is because it's a whole different level of technology than what I was used to. I I had to work on stones and I used acid, you know, hydrochloric acid, nitric acids for etching. You know what I'm saying? So it's very complicated. It's not simple and easy to do a four-color, you know, litho or intallier or something like that. But the chemicals, why I got away from it is because when I came back from the Gulf War, I was uh I my immune system had crashed, and all the things like touche, lithotine, and all these things you use in printmaking are so toxic that my body basically rejected it. So I've, you know, my life's been in cannabis. So to see next generation artists working with next generation technology that I did not have access to is endlessly fun and fascinating. It's you know how there's a whole section of kids who like to watch people, you know, play video games. I grew up going to New Orleans, going down to the French quarter and watching the painters paint, right? Watching the caricatures caricature, you know what I'm saying? Sketch and do what they do. That was my television. So watching Scully work on all this is, you know, shitloads of fun. And I'm again, I'm enjoying my joint and just watching, you know, an artist work. That was fun of the parts uh of being an art is being around a bunch of artists, is watching them all go from concept to create to putting something that kind of blows your mind. And that's a special gift, you know. Not everybody's got that. And somebody like Scully to create your own vision, your own niche in the world is something each artist strives for. I never accomplished it, but to see people who do again, it's another level of appreciation for you know, cracking through the strata of you know what people like, what people don't like, and finding a common ground. And there's not many artists that really celebrate the uniqueness that is cannabis, right? Um, there's been few and far between. We look back to the you know, the Rick Griffiths and things like that, you know, from the 60s, but then you know, coming into the newer generation from Sharf on and various other uh, especially street level artists who have, you know, come from tagging and then into the real world of art. I mean, it's just endlessly fascinating to me. I could pontificate for days on, you know, but that's just being the artist in me in appreciation. And then this is just the outline, and then comes the color, which is even the more fun to watch something two-dimensional pop into uh, you know, your eyes. Realize everybody why it's also fascinating. My father and brother were both born blind, so they could not understand creating something dimensionally. And my father was a lawyer, so he was like, Why are you wasting your time making drawing on paper? You should be working working in law. Like, you don't get it. This is my creative outlet, and just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not good.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:28

Well, my stoned mind created a whole hilarious when you first started telling that story, and you you talked about after the war and something, and you hadn't said my father yet, which is why I was just like listening, but it reminded me of something. And then when you just finished it with my father, I said, Oh my god, now I get to do it. Which is my father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low-grade narcolepsy and a pension for buggery. I don't know why, but that Austin Powers quote is what I was reminded of when you first started talking about his art. I am bubbled up, brother. Let me tell you. For those of you that haven't watched that show, you should definitely check out the Austin Powers. There's uh some pretty funny shit in there. At least there it was at one point in time in this world. Maybe you can't even make any of those jokes anymore. I don't even know. I can't keep up anymore, actually. Fucking terrible at it. I wasn't good at wearing masks or fucking getting shots either. Just saying. Just fucking failed that up.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:33

But when it comes to hash and skiing though, masterclass.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:37

I got knowledge in those in those uh in those aspects, absolutely, dude. Um what else? What else? I had a whole bunch of different things I wanted to talk about.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:49

Well, who was your first inspir inspired artist in cannabis that really made you go, oh shit, bubble man? Oh, me? Yeah, you. And then I I loved it.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:02

My first my first cannabis inspired artist? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:06

Was it like out of high times, Fiber the Furry Freak Brothers, you know, but what well, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:12

Geez, you know what the timeline would be difficult for me, but I know when I started getting true uh, yeah, you know what? Okay, no, I absolutely know. It would be it would be album art, like records, right? Steve Miller Band and Led Zeppelin and you know, these epic album covers. Sometimes they were double albums, the white album or whatever, and uh, or an old Rolling Stones album that was all like patches of different collages, just the different art. You know, whether they wanted it to be cannabis art or not, of course, I made it cannabis art by rolling joints on those records. And and everyone I knew was rolling joints on those records, you know, before me, because I kind of came in right at the end of it. My uncle was using it to he'd be like, Yeah, we use those to separate the seeds. I'm like, seeds like damn, bro, like how fucking rough was shit for you. We used to walk five miles to school in the snow. So I I kind of got uh, you know, I wasn't like a we didn't have to do too much mexi brick before I was getting uh a pretty good uh flower up here in Canada. So albums for sure. Furry Freak Brothers were definitely on that list, and I would also say Alex Gray. I got an Alex Gray poster so, so long ago. It would have been in the 90s, it was just 12 months of all of his artwork, and I knew nothing about Alex Gray. Um, I just thought it was super trippy, hung it on my wall. And I I remember one of them, it was a crazy picture of like a tree, and it was like good on one side and bad on the other. It was just super dichotomous, like super intense, like soul-crushing imagery on the one side and utopian on the other side. And uh I remember like looking at it for so long, finding new shit consistently, and just thought, wow, that's uh that's absolutely bonkers. Got to shout out Luke Brown, too, a psychedelic artist that uh used to live here in Vancouver. I have a couple of his pieces over here, but they're they're in behind my dry sift screens, which are giant five foot uh tall dry sift screens, so I don't want to go move them and uh especially right now because uh Scully is uh is is drawing for us live. This is super cool, man.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:35

Like what the fucking can Scully respond to us or is he just in work mode? No, you're good. I can talk to you. All right. Well then I'm gonna ask you, who were your earlier inspirations? Who one, you know, what put what got you to pick up the pen? Two, who were the artists, you know, in cannabis that inspired you that make you go, yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:00

Man, what inspired me to pick up the pen would have to, I mean, I gotta probably give credit to my mom, even though it's probably a little bit of a corny answer. But I mean, she was like giving me uh pencils and coloring books, and I had a drafting table in my room when I was super young. She always kind of wanted me to draw. Um, so she supported me.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:20

You must have showed that at an early age, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:10:23

Yeah, I wanted to. I was like, I was drawing forever. I like some of my earliest memories are sitting in my room and drawing and all through school. They were like, hey, stop drawing in your notebook, you need to pay attention, and I never did. Uh it was has just kind of been like a lifelong thing that I was doing. I just never really I don't know, I never considered it a career. I have a bad habit of like talking bad to myself, and it's like, oh, it's just cartoons, whatever, you know. Like uh it's not I I had so many art friends in school that were so talented, they drew like incredible portraits and were painting like beautiful oil paintings and stuff. I was like, oh, I don't I don't measure up for this. Like I've been fucking smoking weed and stuff. I want to go uh go to Colorado and get high and ski.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:10

Hell yeah, dude. I cannot wait to come there next year and actually get on the mountains with everyone because that is basically my favorite pastime to for feeding my soul personally. Uh riding a motorcycle is is up there pretty high, but um ripping down the mountain on the snowboard in beautiful powder, obviously, or spring slush, I'm uh I'm good with uh both of them. I'll even ride a groomer rip down on my board at high speeds.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:44

It's important, I th I think, Scully, that your mom inspired you and at least supported you, right? Because if you didn't have that type of support or that area to um be creative, you would not be able to one find your voice much. Much less your you know your creative voice that you've been able to sing with, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:12:05

Oh yeah, definitely. Uh yeah, getting uh getting inspired young was definitely cool. Uh I don't know. Uh uh to answer your other question, uh artists that I'm inspired by, uh I was really inspired by like Cause and Takashi Murakami. They're like really big inspirations of artists that I'm like, oh man, I would like to be on that level one day. And I really have a lot of respect for what they do. Uh cannabis artist, probably um uh killer acid. I think his name's like Rob Cardetti, really. Uh, but he's he's like an inspiration for me of somebody that it's like, oh wow. I I was looking around, like, man, you know, there aren't a lot of artists that really champion weed. A lot of artists love weed, but they don't put it in their work a lot because you know the truth is it alienates people, and I see it when I go and try and do in events and stuff like that. Uh people run up to my table and are like, oh wow, this is amazing, and then they see it's all about like rosin and like hash and stuff like that, and they're like, oh, alright, alright, and they kind of like shuffle their kids away. Uh but I don't know, I really wanted to stick up for it. I I love uh cannabis and the community, and it's always been weird to me how like stigmatized it is when uh I don't know, I feel like we're we're really trying to make a difference and bringing a good vibe to kind of the party scene in a way that like, man, what what's the competition like alcohol? Like it really doesn't. I don't know. It's uh it's really kind of a negative vibe. So I've I've always wanted to do what I can to try and like reduce the stigma a little bit uh and show people like, hey, it's actually not scary. It's like a totally normal, cool thing for you to do, and you don't have to hate people for doing it.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:46

Well, since your mom was also your inspiration, how did she feel about when you pivoted toward cannabis?

SPEAKER_00 2:13:52

Was she supportive or No, my parents are really like conservative Christians, they don't like weed at all. Um yeah, no, they would definitely they probably would still prefer that I like don't smoke or do any of that, but we've sort of just like come to terms with the fact that that's the case and I'm doing what I'm doing. Um yeah, I don't know. I I wish that uh they were like more um inspired by the same community that I am, but I don't know, whatever. Like to each their own ultimately.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:27

You gotta follow your passion, you gotta be authentic. And sometimes it's hard when your parents don't necessarily want you to be your authentic self, they want you to be their authentic self. Uh, and that is the hard part on both sides. I've been on both sides of that as a parent. Uh, but I guess for me it's been a little easier because I don't enforce my will uh on my kids, but it's definitely like you always will see your kids, you know. There's this world available to them that they can choose. You know, it's it's it's likely they could choose something that you relate to, and it's likely they could choose something that you don't relate to. Uh, and then you just have that experience that you get to go through and and figure out and learn about how to uh how to be it's it's generally always just about letting go of things that probably aren't really that important in the first place, right? You know, where the where that intense energy comes from, it's not coming from your side, uh it's coming from the side of the person that is feeling like I don't want you to do that, you know. And they probably believe deeply that it's you know very bad for you or that maybe it's harming you or something, which would make those thoughts scarier um than they actually are. Well, Marcus, that also brings me to you. Were your parents initially supportive of you when you went into bubble bags? Listen, before I went into bubble bags and my parents found burnt safety pins in my bedroom because I took a battery out of one of my toys and was like plusing and minusing these safety pins and turning them red hot. And I was like 11 or 12 years old, and my parents found these. My dad was a fireman, so it was like he didn't fuck around with fire. So it was on his radar when he found these pins. Anyway, they sat me down and they were said, We know what these are for. We know these are for hashish. And I was like, What the fuck is hashish? It was the first time in my life I ever heard the term hashish, and I heard it from both my parents at a table at a special talk. So, really, in reality, I think they planted the seed. I think they fucking set all of this up, and it's really, you know, the the credit, not the blame, but the credit should go to them for sure. Uh and Constable John Lowe. But um, by the time I started bubble bags, listen, I already I had already done um the hemp thing out in Manitoba. We'd already kind of gotten hemp growing, and that was sort of starting to become a thing, and they were proud of that. Uh, and then I came up to Vancouver and I was like, Oh, I'm helping this girl, Hillary, from the BC Compassion Club, and she's super awesome. Um, and then my mom hit me up one day and she said, So uh we need to talk. My mom worked at 911 at the police department. She was like the chief operator for 911 for Winnipeg, Manitoba. And she said that she had like run my name and saw that I had a crack cocaine charge, which is hilarious because I had just been busted a month prior with like, I can't remember if it was 16 pounds or 16 kilos or what it was, but it was a bunch of weed uh and a little bit of cash. And it was for the BC Compassion Club. I was out shopping for them that day and I ended up going through this roadblock and getting it all taken. Um, and I had hash in my pocket, dry sift, like a rock of dry sift, and they thought it was crack cocaine. So they charged me with crack cocaine, then they proceeded to take that rock and test it over and over and over and over again until there was none left, and they dropped that charge. But my mom saw that charge on her computer, didn't even see the cannabis charge, and probably wouldn't have cared about it. So was not overly stoked about the crack cocaine charge, was very happy when I explained to her that that charge was not a charge and it would be going away. Uh, and then I would also, you know, kind of win my case and get no fine and no time. And the judge ordered all the money be given back so I could give it to the BC Compassion Club. Um and so it was only after being busted that I started Fresh uh Fresh Headies and the bubble bags. And so I think they were quite happy with me doing that. At that point in time, they had already known me for being a full cannabis person, activist, like in your face, like actively doing all things cannabis at all times on both sides of the fence. Uh, so yeah, they were they were pretty stoked when I started the bags because I was, you know, I'd explain to my dad, I'm like, listen, like it's like selling weed, but I just sell the bags, but the bags are being bought with the money that the people are selling the weed for. So it's like this, I'm a part of it, but I'm not a part of it. And how I learned that was from my lawyer, John Conroy, who would I was about to say that's some goddamn lawyer speak if I ever he would take he would take my bags of money and then just go put it in the bank and it would become a paycheck. And if I got pulled over with said bag of money, it would be called uh proceeds of crime. And I was just like, whoa, this is a crazy like perspective shift on this bag of money that you just have the lawyer's um uh administrator or secretary or whatever take in and go put into the bank. And it is uh it's suddenly now it's just like the money was never black market when it went to the lawyer, and that was the same way with with the bubble bags, and everyone was just buying these bubble bags like crazy. Uh that now, full circle, you know, probably how I know the majority of you, or definitely how the majority of you know me. Um, it full circle is that I have this amazing access, you know, the the way the same way you guys are currently curating these um brands in Colorado. Uh I love the opportunity to find these smaller hashmakers and bring them into this market and be able to get curated. I love the idea of doing legends in Denver and Boulder, having events where you can kind of like, you know, have an actual hash event that's that's more about really just paying homage to the hash makers themselves. You know, like like I said, like a planned event is once a year. These events are, first of all, enormous to plan. They cost an arm and a leg. Uh, there's sponsorships involved. And I mean, generally, how we did legends in the Portland and Los Angeles is we'd hire a wedding planner to organize the whole thing, someone who is professional at dealing with the rentals, the food, all the the building, all of the different um licenses you may or may not need, everything that needs to be lined up. You don't want some dude chain smoking dabs being in charge of that. Like that's important. So doing that like more than once a year for for at least just legends is is not possible. But doing a monthly gathering where you you you are it like like similar to a jar check, where it's really like a like a melt check or a resin check or whatever. I mean, there's no better name than jar check. Uh, we'll just have to pay homage to uh to Puffco and Jolly Roger because it truly is such a simple yet brilliant concept. To me, jar check, you can have them often um and they can really bubble up these hidden gems, these little hidden to me. A jar check is which is very much what a legends is, which is you're running your community through an eight-bag system and you're pulling the 90 and the 73, and that is your uh there's your there's your community that competes for for legends. You know, these are the people taking it the most serious uh and really paying attention. And to me, no one's mentioned it, but I think each and every one of you that are breeding and pheno hunting have to have extremely sensitive um olfactories. You have to have specialized, dialed in Somalier level olfactories to perceive these unique profiles and differences that uh that you're looking for. Would you not uh agree? Gotta have your jaw. It's you know. Do you guys all have a good sense of smell? Are any of you like gonna say, I don't have a sense of smell, I can't smell shit?

SPEAKER_06 2:23:01

Or do you guys find that you I lost my sense of smell for a decade, but I got it back. And I guess I think because of that loss, it got better.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:10

Honestly, I think mine got better over time, Marcus, to be honest. As I got more educated and got deeper into olfactory and just I understanding like isolated compounds, what do they smell like? And then when they add them together, what do they smell like? You know, I think it got better and better as I understood, and I attributed to much like music as I understood how to play music better. It was through that practice, same repetition of practice, right? So I very much take the same approaches to to flavor and scent, you know, and and I think that that obsess the same obsession with music is the same with with you know with flavor, I think. And I I would imagine others have that same kind of like affinity for it where you get really locked in and then you're just you get more exploratory. So um, but it was through education, I would say, that I mine got better.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:03

But uh Yeah, I think that I think you can definitely pump the skill, but I also think there's a sensitivity issue that I don't think can be trained in. I think that a lot of people who become Somaliers, they just have these extremely sensitive olfactories. You know, on top of that, you can obviously train yourself. I mean, one of the most important things you see is to not bury the flavors, your nose into the flavors, but keep it at a distance, especially when it's like a super, like a like terpenes, like you're actually smelling, you know, straight Vox without you know any resin in it at all. I see people hold it right up to their nose and inhale, and I'm like, whoa, like just give it a nice light waft, you know. Give it a I think go ahead.

SPEAKER_10 2:24:51

I think you either have it or you don't. Like well, that's what I'm saying. It it kind of like leads to like market separations too. Like, there's always gonna be people that like what's a what's a respectful way to put it? Like, there's always gonna be people that are like, yeah, dude, my favorite cheeseburger comes from McDonald's.

SPEAKER_08 2:25:19

More or less than McDonald's, right?

SPEAKER_10 2:25:20

Like, and that's okay. Just like like, you know, like, and that's fine, and they're never gonna pay like 35 or 40 bucks for some crazy wagyu, dry aged cheeseburger. Like, it's never gonna happen. And if you gave them one for free, they'd just be like, Yeah, this is nice, but I like McDonald's. Like, I it seems very similar to me or like overly fancy. Um, and that's okay. And then there's other people that are like, this doesn't taste like real food. You know, like, and and those people can pick up that it doesn't even taste like natural cow product, you know. It's not they they don't there, there's this is a whole other path that we could go down that I'm not gonna button.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:06

No, you're you're you're touching on some really like heady stuff now, because like for me, that's there's a version of music. Like, there's some guy that was doing a cover of a drum track that was made on a clearly made on a computer. And I had an another hash maker and I were having this talk about. I was like, man, like I can hear the fill, it's above 64th note triplets, like it compresses the sound. And then a day later, the drummer actually separated the his take versus the him playing over top of it. And sure enough, the snare crunch was there, and you could you could hear it, right? And I called it immediately out, but it was only because of how much time you spend understanding this stuff. But you what you just said was two people can eat the same cheeseburger and two people can listen to the same song and get completely different things out of that, right? And there's there's something wonderful about that because there's no wrong, right? And we we go through this a lot, and I love Marcus's comment of God bless them. Like it just makes it makes me die inside because it's so funny and true. Because it's like you can't you're not gonna change that, right? You can try to influence them and you can try to offer them these these different opportunities to have, in your case, a different, a better cheeseburger. But yeah, to your point, it's either you're you have it or you don't, and it'll take someone like yourself or Marcus or Kyle or Scully or um Stewart here or ATN to to show you that hey, this other cheeseburger, or if it's a jar in this case, try this one, you know, and um it'll maybe take them time or and like a lot of time with that jar to really um understand what your your the nuance and understanding you have of that is what you're explaining.

SPEAKER_04 2:27:51

What you're explaining, Colin, is that we just we all don't perceive reality the same way, and and recently I I sent my wife a little video recently, which was well said, there's like five or six people in this room and they've got this ball, or there's maybe two balls, and there's like three of them or four of them out of like eight or seven of them are wearing white t-shirts. And the question is how many times do you see the people in the white t-shirts pass the ball? And it's about a it's about a minute and a half long. And so you're watching it and it's kind of clipping, it's kind of like part of the psychology is that they it's a little sketchy, like it skips a couple of times, like it pauses for a split second, and another time it jumps forward a just this ever so split second. So it it double and triple engages you into focusing on these white shirts, and then at the end of it, and it's a minute long, you know, you're like, Oh, I got like 14 or 13 or 15, I got 14, and the answer was 15. And it said, you know, you were really close. And then it said, But did you see the gorilla? And I'm like, What? And so I I go back on this video, and at one point in time, someone wearing a gorilla outfit walks into the middle of this room, stands in the middle of these three fucking people passing this ball in white t-shirts, and bro, I did not see that fucking gorilla. It stands there for like 30 seconds. I sent it to my wife, she didn't see the gorilla. And what it shows you is that everyone has different awareness. It also leans into why it's so important that, you know, the the interest of social media right now is to become the ultimate marketing advertisement base for everything. And what it needs to do that is it needs to steal yours and everyone else's focus, and once you can steal someone's focus, you can control how much or of what portion of reality they perceive. And that fucking video is like, I'll send it to you, dude.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:06

No, I've seen it, dude. I love it. I it's funny. I'm gonna say I love it. It's funny, I got 14 the same way you did. It's funny. I count, I tried to I it's it's funny. I but I did see the gorilla though, and I was like, what the hell? What's up with the gorilla? And I'm like trying to count as I see this thing. It's that's so funny that that you brought that up because I I literally saw the same thing. I was thinking about it the other day as well, but it's um you're so right, Marcus. And I love this conversation. I I I actually have to roll, guys, but I think what we're touching on is so important because it it stems back to everything we talked about today, which is your focus and the decisions you make, right, Marcus? You know, these are these are things we we get in our own worlds and we kind of get tunnel vision on, you know, we forget and we don't we're not aware that um the world around us is quite large, you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:30:58

Dude, I like that freeze dryer getting drawn. Dude, this is so fun. Uh, I want to make sure we touch on the reserve because uh the maybe my second trip might even be it, might have been my first trip to Colorado because I made a point when Adam Dunn came here back in. I want to say it must have been 2013, but it could have been 2007, for all I know. He would know better than I. Uh he came and he stopped in, called me, you know, him and his girlfriend at the time came by and stopped. I hooked him up with some nice herbs and hash and sent him on his way. They were driving to uh driving to um Banff and Jasper and that whole area. Um, so when I was in Colorado, I made a point on reaching out to him and he said, Oh, you gotta come meet me at my buddy Kyle's place. It's gonna be the it's gonna be the spot. And I had already been in you know in Colorado for a few days and been to some pretty cool spots, and I thought, fuck, like if Adam says it's gonna be the spot, like it's fucking probably gonna be a pretty, pretty good spot. And so that is how I was introduced to Kyle. That's how I met uh him and saw his space, the reserve, which is just I've gone on about it on Hash Church more than a few times. Uh I just wanted to talk about a little bit about it because we've been we've been brainstorming, we've been talking about it, but I guess Kyle, why don't you talk about uh you know your vision on why you got this place in the first place?

SPEAKER_02 2:32:32

Yeah, absolutely, man. I I appreciate the kind words. And you know, following up on Adam, I think he's the only person that I know um that can actually call you bubble boy from back in the day. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:42

So it's because it's not offensive when he does it. I don't I do not know why. Everyone else that does it, it bugs the shit out of me. But when Adam does it, I'm like, you know what? He's he's not doing it with like the hatred.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:54

No, no, he does it out of respect. Like it's like paying homage to where you came from, you know. It's like in Adam, Adam is uh he looks so young, but he's almost 60. Um, and a lot of people don't know his story, which I'm sure you'll get into with him at some point. But um, you know, my my whole goal with this space was to kind of revamp and uh re like revision the way that Hash is looked at. Um, right now in Denver, I spoke about it a little bit earlier. There's two places that you can publicly consume that are open to the public. Um my my it's basically my house, uh, is not open to the public. So anything that we do here um at my place is going to be a very up rush on, extremely high-end uh you know, 90U equivalent um experience. So what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to take what existed in the old school of very high-end wine and liquor and convert that to the new school of hash. So um with my place, we have uh it's massive, as you know, but we have a full butler's bar um that we're gonna be building out instead of for liquor, um, is it a custom hash bar. So basically taking the top tier of hash now and replacing liquor with what people in my generation are now consuming, which is cannabis. And for me, the highest end of hash. And I think a lot of the stuff that sparked the change, you know, to be the change that I wanted to see was that a lot of these hash events in Colorado, people don't even know the difference between live rosin and live resin. Right. So to me, that's a very kindergarten level understanding. And when you're going to some place and you're trying to show off the highest end hash and you tell somebody, yeah, you know, for two grams of this, it's$180, and they just look at you like you're you're insane. Um, those are the kinds of people that need to catch up to where the people like, you know, Nick, go to Portal Provisions and all the people in this panel are at, which is we are we are accustomed to the highest end of hash, the highest end of food, um, and creating an environment in which we can all enjoy the lifestyle that we like to live without it being impeded on by people who are not as of high the higher class. Um and that's where I find myself is always getting kind of into cahoots with people who um, you know, I'll have a rig and you know, I only want people to smoke rosin out of it, and someone will take a live resin glob out of it. Um, and they don't understand that that's you know bad etiquette.

SPEAKER_04 2:35:23

So I've done that, I've done that on a number of occasions, and I always feel bad. Um, I I do love the vision that you have. When I did my gallery in 2003, The Melting Point, uh, it was kind of like along the same lines. What I wanted to do was I felt like the people who were into cannabis and wanted to learn about cannabis and learn about these high-grade hashes, that they deserved a beautiful space to be in while they did it. So I had this, you know, also Japanese cherry hardwood floors and a beautiful glass gallery. And, you know, people would come in off the street and be like, what the fuck is this place? You know, I was doing like raw vegan organic food, like from this from the kitchen that was just like super fucking ivory. Like you got high off the food when you ate the food. This was like literally 25 years ago or 23 years ago that I was doing this. So I've I've always had the vision of of redoing it again in the sense of just like the comfort of your space is such an ivory vibe. The fireplace, the super tall ceilings, the piano up on the mezzanine, the elevator. It's all just such a vibe to be in that space, smoking joints, playing pool, ping-pong, the whole nine yards. Like the space, you could do so much with it. The kitchen is one of the most beautiful kitchens I've seen in a very long time. Uh, so the food that you could pump out of there as well, which is always annoying.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:53

Well, we're going to be. And you know, Marcus, I couldn't be happier to partner with someone like you to really bring this experience, you know, to people, right? I mean, this is not, I kind of want to touch on something Kay said earlier because he hit the nail on the head uh with the Colorado events, where there's many events that are happening this year. They're mostly money grabs, um, and people are trying to curate an experience in which, you know, how can we sell our hash kind of in a gray area and give VIP bags and do, you know, vendors and do all this stuff. For me, it's not about throwing an event. It's about creating an upper echelon experience. Um, and and for example, like we're not gonna have vendors, right? There might be vendors like low temp that's doing a hash washing demo um or something like that, but there's not gonna be a bunch of trappers that are sitting around with a table and you know, selling their hash. Um, this to me is not a money thing uh as much as it is I want to create the experience in which I cannot have right now. And and that's I think the the most crucial thing is that um, you know, Kay said it earlier. Like there's people that are that have approached me. I've been approached by five plus people who have these, oh, I have these speakeasy concepts and I have these, and um, they're trying to be a middleman uh to place you know an event in a venue, but they don't have a really you know equity in either of them. Um so what what I'm doing is obviously I have the venue, um, and I'm bringing all of the headiest people together from food to glass art to you know hash to um regular art like Scully Vibes, Vincent Gordon, Chris Dyer, um, and all the people that are representing the highest tier of hash right now. This is going to be an exclusive destination spot for us to have dinners, parties um that are that are of the highest end that hash has ever seen.

SPEAKER_05 2:38:39

I'm in.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:42

And I know all, I mean, most of these guys are in Turps over Yields, he was there, Portals obviously in. He's a big part of it. Well, that's what makes it even better.

SPEAKER_04 2:38:50

When once you add the hash and the IRI people, and then the sick glass, like Robertson brought all sorts of crazy pipes over last time. That giraffe mothership collab with the uranium mouthpiece. That was absolutely Matt.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:04

Matt's coming over for a sesh on Tuesday. So we're gonna be we're we're talking about doing, and including with you, obviously, um, a monthly glass uh showcase. So Matt can Matt can you know draw all the artists from Everdream or internationally. I mean, we could put together a show of you know five people in uh you know a month or whatever, and then add a hash component to that. Um so there's plenty of things that we're gonna do that are uh really for the experience. And and the location's in the middle of downtown Denver. It's a block from Clarse Field. Um and the whole key with events in Denver is location, right? You don't want a mansion that's that's 30 minutes from the city, um, especially for a destination event where people are coming in maybe from internationally. Um, they want a place that they can stay, the venue's close, um, and then they're they're spooed around and they don't feel like they're you know stuck somewhere that's kind of a weird destination vibe uh without you know the modern amenities and the ability to explore the city. So within the the general vicinity, I think within a mile radius, there's like 15 to 20 different hotels from the Four Seasons to the Ritz to the Weston to you know Hilton. I mean, there's tons. So there's not been anything like this that's been done in Denver, uh, specifically because of the laws and the rules and regulations with the MED. Um, and what we're doing is we're really creating a place for people to be able to try the highest end jars from around the country. Um, and it's not a money grab, it's not a money thing where I'm you know thinking, oh, we're gonna make all this money off of this. I want this because there's nothing right now. I'm not gonna go to the public consumption lounges right now unless all of my friends um go with me. Because I just know that the people that are sitting around there are not the you know, the people that I associate with.

SPEAKER_04 2:40:48

It's always nice to be able to hang out with your homies. It's also nice, like the when we've had some a couple gatherings at your place, getting people driving in. Like, you know, like coming in from, I mean, Stuart and Jack are definitely you you guys are driving, right? You're not just coming in from 10 minutes away.

SPEAKER_07 2:41:05

Yeah, we're about an hour out, so you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:08

But it's worth exactly it's worth it to bring all the good people together. I see Nick Ati in here. It's one of my really good friends. I do a lot of work with him. He's gonna be a huge part of this. Uh, he was actually supposed to be on here today, but messaged me that he didn't feel good this morning, so we'll get him on the next one.

SPEAKER_04 2:41:26

But he said he went snowboarding.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:29

No, he said he's he woke up and didn't feel good to me, but maybe he ended up going snowboarding after to feel better. I don't blame him.

SPEAKER_04 2:41:35

Yeah, that's a good way to feel better. That's that's how I feel the best, actually.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:40

And you know, the biggest part of this to me, too, is the food, right? And Portal, if you want to talk a little bit about the food, I know that um for your wedding and with your chef, you know, the the experience that you create with cultivating, you know, unique food and unique dishes paired either with hash, um with jars to smoke, um, or having the option of doing infusion um is just a whole nother level, right? And it creates an in intimacy where you're sharing a meal um versus just sharing a jar. You're sharing both. So I that's something I'm really looking forward to is creating this experience versus just going somewhere and being like, oh, now I gotta buy from vendors and cool, there's a smoking tent. And it's just kind of the same thing that that everyone else experiences, and I'm ready for a change.

SPEAKER_04 2:42:24

Dude, listen, it was the exact same thing with my gallery. I didn't want, first of all, the thing I didn't want was just Cokes and donuts and chocolate bars being available. I was like, that's why I ended up going insane and going the healthiest, most organic. And I just thought, like, I noticed that people, you know, if you wanted the full the full melt experience, then that was beyond the hash, right? It's also the people, it's the environment, it's the food, it's even the water. I mean, I I don't want to drink like 25U water, I want to drink the 73 water.

SPEAKER_02 2:43:01

Oh, dude, I mean, you you know I got the El Dorado Springs water, um, and I I look into all the different water. I put shower filters on all the showers to filter out chlorine and any of the stuff in the city. I mean, I'm water is obviously life, right? And as growers, we know that. So it's very important. From from you know, the cleaning products used in the place to the water quality to I mean, everything is uh is the highest, highest end um that you can get. And and that's the kind of the vibe that I want to put out there.

SPEAKER_04 2:43:31

It's gonna be a fun summer for sure. That is for sure. I'm coming at the case.

SPEAKER_02 2:43:37

Portal, do you want to touch you want to touch a little bit on the chef stuff?

SPEAKER_10 2:43:42

Oh, yeah. So a good friend of mine runs a supper club here in Denver. Um, and sometimes in the we've collaborated on doing hash paired dinners. Uh, we don't usually do infusions um just because like it can be a hard way for people to like interact at the table um eating edibles that are maybe not dosed how they're used to their edibles being dosed, just because of differences in process or whatever. But my friend Nate, you know, like runs this awesome dinner club. He likes to travel and eat food the same way that like myself and Jack and Stuart kind of travel around and do this hash thing and see all the different things, so he very well understands like what a high-end dish is. So he also is a connoisseur of hash, rosin, and all of that. So know him knowing like what the hash tastes like, we typically do like a five-course dinner with um each course coming with like a jar, like a paired jar um that's designed around the dish. Like, you know, I do a peaches or a peach maraschino strain, and we serve that with like peaches and burata as an appetizer at one of the dinners. We try and change it every time um and not be on repeat with dishes, but those are the types of dinners that we are looking forward to bringing to the reserve.

SPEAKER_04 2:45:10

I feel like we deserve that.

SPEAKER_10 2:45:14

It's that like I said earlier, like you know, some people are gonna be like, yeah, that's cool. I want to go to that and I want to be at that, and some other people might, you know, like they might not understand that or might not be interested in that, and that's okay. But for the people that are interested in that and do understand it, like my whole intention with those dinners was to that we've done so far was to provide something that you know it's it's not uncommon for people to go and spend a really significant amount of money at a nice restaurant, and some of the stuff in our space, like you know, it's usually pretty expensive, like it's not cheap, but it's like does did did it deliver on like if you spent that same 250 bucks at a restaurant, would you be like, damn, that sucked? Like that food wasn't good, like regardless of whether or not your dinner came with hash or you could smoke there while you were sitting. Like, is that part of the experience valid? So that's what this is.

SPEAKER_02 2:46:26

Yeah, and it's good, it's great, man, because we're gonna bring all the Denver people that aren't really getting the light shine on them, you know, in the light, too. I mean, even Scully Vibes, right? Like, it's it's uh it's an honor to have him be a part of this and as far as the art. Um, he's a huge part of the hash scene in Denver, but he's not really as well known in the hash scene internationally. So for the people that will be traveling here as you know, a destination, I'm excited to put on um a lot of the Denver scene that might not, you know, be known right now. And and for example, like Bubble Man has his whole line of products here. He has the hash hits, he's got the rosin vapes, he's got you know tons of different things in the works. Um, I want people to be able to come here and come to a dinner and you know, be able to hang out with Bubble Man and try his products in Colorado, right? It's I mean, it's it's this is history right here that um we we need to document and we need to experience and then create the venue for people to experience um so that they have an education and a palette of understanding what is the best hash. You know, when I smoke Bubble Man's hash, how do I feel?

SPEAKER_04 2:47:28

I quite enjoy it myself. I quite enjoy smoking all of your hash. I I I really quite like that uh that cowboy one that you had, uh Stuart. And I really liked you brought that fresh press. The first time we bumped into you at Tetra Lounge, Jack, you had this fresh press. Was that like a honey bananas fresh press or something?

SPEAKER_07 2:47:50

Yeah, that was I was just playing around that day. Yeah, I had these five U bags from uh I think Rosin, Rosin Inc. out in Florida, and they gave some to me, and so I was gonna test it out, and uh that's when I brought it over to y'all. And I definitely think it was uh definitely some of the better fresh press. Oh my god, it was just it was fire, bro.

SPEAKER_02 2:48:12

That's some of the better. That was like some of the best fresh press I've ever had.

SPEAKER_07 2:48:15

Oh yeah, love to hear that. Yeah, we're starting to do more uh fresh press and melt. I was kind of like not against it, but it was just kind of like my situation. It's you know, it's hard to do, you gotta have a cold room and all this. But now I'm starting to play around with it more and figure out how to get it in a jar and make it look all pretty and clear tech and all that jazz. So it's been fun. I'm definitely gonna start releasing more fresh press. Me and Stu have a collab coming up. We're actually gonna do a little bit of Fresh Press release, so stay tuned for that.

SPEAKER_02 2:48:46

I can't wait to showcase it, man.

SPEAKER_07 2:48:49

Yeah, 420 New York, be there. We're dropping in there.

SPEAKER_04 2:48:53

420 New York, eh? Shit. That's crazy, dude. I'm gonna be in Boston on the 22nd. That's so close.

SPEAKER_02 2:49:02

Huh. You guys will link, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_04 2:49:08

Yeah. That'd be sweet. Do 420 in New York. Where where in New York is it?

SPEAKER_07 2:49:14

Uh Manhattan, I think. And there's events all over the city, but I mean, it's I've never been to New York during 420, uh, but I've heard it's pretty crazy. You know, people are set up in the park and there's events going on. It's so we're really excited. You know, me and everyone, you know, Portal, Stewart, a couple other buddies from out here in Colorado, we're going to compete in Masters of Rosin.

SPEAKER_04 2:49:36

Oh, beautiful.

SPEAKER_07 2:49:37

And uh some other events while we're there as well. Should be a good time.

SPEAKER_04 2:49:41

I've judged that event. It is a lovely event.

SPEAKER_07 2:49:44

Yeah, they they do it right. Yeah, I really like the judging, and it's like, you know, the judges get their their time to sit down and smoke everything and try anything. Whereas some competitions you sit down and you have to smoke 40 dabs all at once, and you can feel rushed and your palets all messed up.

SPEAKER_04 2:50:00

So it happens at it happens at Masters too, because you you feel like you have time, but I can't remember how many have if you fuck around and you go too slow, then you're doing the 40 dabs in a row on the last day, trying to get it into the thing. I've got one of their like uh pelican cases over here with all the old jars in it. There's like 62 from the one year that I I'll never forget landing and having 62 half gram jars of rosin. First of all, like that is dangerous in Spain to be rolling around with that much rosin, broken up in particular, like that. Like, they're not idiots, and you could tell them it was a contest, but they would definitely think you were selling it if they saw it broken up like that, you know. And then you end up like uh Trichome Tortoise, where they go and they took his hair, so they took hair samples shaved right down to the to the skull, like his fucking head. And I was I was like, dude, why why are you have those two spots shaved? Oh man, they uh I told them that all the rosin they took from me, because he he got rosin taken from him, I think first in the US, which is like all over the internet right now. There's like on some like smuggling show or whatever is is out there. I'm sure you guys have seen it. If you haven't, you will in the near future. But then he came to Barcelona and also got caught with rosin. Uh-huh. And they were like they wanted to make sure he wasn't selling it, and so they tested his hair. Uh and they were like, they were like, if you if this is all yours, you will have a very high percentage of THC in your hair. And apparently he had like a higher one than they thought, so they uh they didn't uh charge him with trafficking. I only know that because uh Tricom Tortoise won Legends of Hash that year. He was the only one that brought his own ice and had his melt on ice the entire time, like right up until it got to the judges, he had his full melt on ice. Uh and then I think it was like a some Z Z boof or super boof or I can't remember what it was. Anyway, he won Legends with it, it was full melt. Then we both flew out of Spain on different flights, and we ended up meeting at the airport in London because both of our flights to totally different places were were canceled. And then we ended up like on voucher at the free hotel that the airport or the airlines, which I guess both our airlines just happened to send us to the same one. And uh we almost got like uh kicked out of that hotel and probably close to arrested because they don't fuck around with weed. The whole floor wanted to be evacuated. That's how loud his resin was. We just had like four or five dabs, and I guess the system is like it pulls the air from every room and just recirculates it. So it like within like within three or four dabs, uh which was was literally like I wish I could explain to you the mountain we had to climb to take these dabs because it was like we bumped into another dude and he had like a pipe, but I had a D nail, but I didn't have the coil, or but he had the coil, but then we didn't have the plug, and it was just this insane 45 minutes of finally putting everything together and being like, holy shit, we can dab. And literally we dabbed for like five minutes before we heard this like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang on the door. And I look outside and it's like nine security guards, and they're like walking up and down the floor smelling, and so yeah, we had to play that uh that our room smelled like weed, like the rest of the hotel, and we didn't know where it was coming from. But it was amazing that they seemed to know it was us. We bluffed them all was well.

SPEAKER_02 2:53:42

Marcus, one thing I do want you to touch on, you know, we said jar check a bunch, but I think what's gonna make uh a lot of this really cool with what we're doing with the reserve is is the testing device that um you have access to. And if you you want to talk a little bit about that, I'm sure it's redundant for people who tune in all the time, but um that's that's a huge thing for me, right? Like being able to test things on the spot.

SPEAKER_04 2:54:05

I I I really do. I have it right next to me. It's under my gummies and uh a D nail and a couple of my my little mini scope, my iScope, but it's right here. It's the Valenveras. And I've had a couple of these different units. I have another one over there called the Gem Assert, but the company went under and the program's no longer available, so you can't access the database. So it's become uh that thing over there has become a complete and total paperweight. But this particular uh unit, which is Valenveras, I've spoken a little bit about it on here before, and I guess it is right here, so it would be uh probably ridiculous not to just show it. So it comes in this little case, it's called the Neospectra, and it is a super fucking convenient little toy uh and a tool, but not just a toy. I use it specifically as a hashmaker, that's what I prefer it for. Um this is the unit right here. The entire unit is right here with an NIR. So it's gonna shoot light up at the material, and this little unit will test your cannabinoids for um you know resins, hashes, uh, rosin, full melt, dry sift, any of those solid kind of hashes, it's gonna test just for cannabinoid content, whatever the cannabinoids are. Flour, it's going to put on top of that uh terpenes, it's gonna put on that moisture content and active water, which are both very beneficial once you start learning about active water. I think in Colorado, especially, active water is extremely important because once you remove the unbound water, you want to stop. Now, a lot of people get nervous about that and they uh they don't want. Microbials. I know you don't really probably have that problem in Colorado because it gets so fucking dry, but you want to learn how to set the bound water in so it doesn't come out. That's really where you lose your weight and the flower just becomes like poof. So there's value in that. And then of course there's value as a grower using it for cannabinoid content. Uh, you know, testing your flowers uh for uh terpenes and cannabinoids can also lead you to validate your food schedules. It can do a whole bunch of cool shit. Um, the thing I use it for personally is hash making. So especially static hash. When I'm making a bunch of dry stuff, I'm gonna test the material I'm using. I'll find out the THC percentage. That'll give me an idea on the number I need to search for in regards to how much resin I'm gonna get off of the screens. Uh, then I'll test that material and I'll find out oh, you know, if the percentage is only 35 or 40%, I know that the purity is probably less than 30% heads. And so it just gives me a way to see things that is incredibly convenient. It creates a clarity through data resolution. So I quite like it. From the perspective of being at like a place like the reserve, it's an incredible place to be able to come get your stuff tested, to get eyes on it uh outside of a lab. This is it takes a minute per test, there's no cost per test. It's really social. You can do it in a really social environment where people are banging the tables and taking dabs and blowing smoke. And, you know, the the unit is still extremely accurate under those conditions. Um, and then you know, the real value of having having it at the reserve is, you know, being able to offer these growers uh that are also focused on hash making the ability to bring in their leaves from plants and test their macro and micronutrients. And so that leads back to validating feed cycles, that leads back to telling you what you may be missing in your plants or what you may be putting too much into. Uh, I think it's incredible to kind of acquire clarity like this. They're not an impossibly expensive tool. They sell for around 13 grand US, and then there's a 2800 uh US dollar subscription that is involved that gives you updates on all the models that the company's done. I have psilocybin models, I have um uh cannabinoid for extracts, um flour, and macro and micronutrients for for the plant itself. So, but there's many, many more models that you can get. And of course, this unit itself is the company is now owned by Bucci, a big Swiss pharmaceutical company. And they've uh they just bought the company for I don't know what it's made in America, it's got 150 plus patents on it. And it was Ruben Valenberas, uh the Catalonian uh friend of ours who really designed the models through the University of Barcelona and Amsterdam, working with companies like BioBiz. Uh, he ended up getting a big grant in Europe to do some of this work in the agricultural department. He has like two or three degrees in agricultural engineering. And so he's a real smart guy, real psychedelic guy, real cool guy. We love him. He's awesome. Uh, and he is the really the the the the brains behind the um the the the programming of this particular unit to work with cannabis. So yeah, we want to get one and have one at the reserve, make it uh make it a service, make it available. And uh yeah, we have uh Ruben's partner, Santi, uh lives in Denver as well. He operates a psilocybin company, and those guys are just top-notch dudes as well from the mushroom community. We had them over at the reserve and uh him and Spoon and the rest of them, and they all they were testing for hours. I think they tested, did they not test all of Stuart's product at one point in time?

SPEAKER_02 3:00:03

Uh I I think they tested their five milligram gummies on me, didn't they?

SPEAKER_04 3:00:08

Yes, yes. You made a mistake on that one.

SPEAKER_02 3:00:11

Yeah, that was that was user error, that was an operator error, not uh on the company. But yeah, instead of taking three milligrams, it ended up being 15 milligrams of uh of extract before you know my little sash event at my house. And uh Matt Robertson put it, his uh his video guy puts on you know the themed jungle music, and uh that was kind of the start of the you know the the the beginning of the end there where I was like, oh no, this is uh things are things are uh we're not in Kansas anymore here.

SPEAKER_04 3:00:41

Deep in it, Kyle. I will not lie. Like that is the highest I've seen you ever. Not that I've heard you a ton, but you were extremely like, woof. I was like, I'm just taking tabs, but you're like tripping balls over here, dude.

SPEAKER_02 3:00:53

Oh, dude, it was great. I mean, there's no better way to break the place in, right? Like you think everything is set, and then you're just like, okay, yeah, now my mind's gone. So whatever happens, happens. Um, I ring doorbell and my phone is going off like crazy. And you know, it's just one of those times where I uh I was like, man, I you know, I'm glad that this happened on the first event because it's usually the way that it needs to go.

SPEAKER_04 3:01:16

Yeah, absolutely. That's awesome. Well, I'm sorry you guys didn't get snow in your mountains this year. That really is a disappointment. But uh, I bet you guys have a great year next year. I bet you it comes.

SPEAKER_02 3:01:28

I hope so. Yeah, you love to rub it in my face, Marcus. Just you know, check out all the freshies and check out all the slush.

SPEAKER_04 3:01:35

And dude, that's not rubbing anything in your face. You are completely capable of jumping on a plane and going and spending the next two weeks there spring skiing.

SPEAKER_02 3:01:44

I know, I know. We got a balance work, work-life balance, right? I might come out there. We'll see.

SPEAKER_04 3:01:50

Yeah, absolutely. Uh, what do we got? 12 o'clock. Well, we've done three hours so far. That's pretty good. Definitely want to shout out Puffco and the press club uh for uh being sponsors of the show. We got another hour left. If there's anything you guys want to cover, we can we can go for another hour. We can also uh you know call it uh call it a day, depending on what you guys are doing on this Easter Sunday.

SPEAKER_09 3:02:14

Yeah, I'm gonna have to run, guys. I appreciate you guys having me and everything. Marcus, it's been great to see you again. Next time you're in town, let's definitely link, okay?

SPEAKER_04 3:02:21

Yeah, absolutely. Kay, we will make that happen. We'll have you by the reserve and uh we'll figure out how we can uh come up with some cool collaboration for Bubble Man brand and in-house.

SPEAKER_03 3:02:32

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 3:02:33

Yeah, anybody here, K, you're invited on Tuesday. Matt's gonna come by. Uh anyone on the panel, just hit me up and I'll get you details. Um, if you want to come by for a session on Tuesday, I think we're gonna do it at five.

SPEAKER_09 3:02:44

Okay, sounds good, dude. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 3:02:48

Much love.

SPEAKER_09 3:02:49

All right, bye. Later, guys.

SPEAKER_02 3:02:50

Right on, brother. Later.

SPEAKER_04 3:02:52

All right. I I'm I'm down for hanging out for a little bit more and puffing some more dabs and watching uh Scully come like I'm really enjoying watching this picture come to life, actually. I like that he he's oh my god, dude. Holy shit, actually. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 3:03:06

Scully's is an absolute mastermind. Scully, are you gonna be there on Tuesday?

SPEAKER_07 3:03:11

Really cool. I've been kind of distracted watching it. It's you're doing a great job, dude. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 3:03:17

Dude, I'm gonna try to. Uh I I share a car with my wife, so I gotta check with her and see what she's doing, but I'll let you know. I can go through the one to stop here. Just okay, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:03:26

We'll coordinate. No, let's do it. You got me jealous. I know. I'm trying, Marcus, eye for an eye, brother. Fuck it. I'm going to Whistler. I know just joking.

SPEAKER_04 3:03:43

Oh my god. How about some new things on the horizon in regards to cultivars, Stuart? You got uh you got some new flavor profiles uh in the horizon?

SPEAKER_11 3:03:51

Oh yeah, yeah. No, we're uh we're about to pop a bunch of seeds for the summer season, but we've got uh a lot of things going on, just trying to figure out what to run for, you know, um the next projects and everything, from breeding to uh, you know, what we're trying to grow for production. I think me and Jack are gonna do a little uh uh another greenhouse that's just gonna be pretty much dedicated to uh uh Skittles, the original Skittles cut, and do it up here at 9,000 feet and kind of really try to dial. We did a small test batch of that last uh last summer and it uh you know washed it and that was the first time I've actually ever grown the original Skittles cut. So um that's one of the projects. Um uh you know, uh Cowboy Kush is you know kind of been one of the varieties that I've worked with and and bred with uh you know uh the most over the last 10 years, um doing back cross projects. And uh I actually acquired finally I have um a pack, original pack of the F or of the Cowboys so I can make F2s because I spent you know last four or five years making the back cross to BX3 um because I didn't have mail uh you know that I could use of the original cowboys. So that is something that I definitely want to do is pop that and then um I'm gonna uh also run a bunch, you know, some of my past here, and then I've got a full uh lineup out of the fridge. I gotta thin it down because again, you know, we're limited at space um, you know, being uh growing mainly inside. Uh, you know, I only have a couple smaller flower rooms and then a couple, you know, tents that I use for testing and breeding, and then I have a uh greenhouse that I can actually grow year round um to come up again up to 90, 200 feet. So it gets really gnarly in the winter. You gotta, I got really into building these custom greenhouses and uh so I could grow under the sun up here. Um but uh that that's also why I have a lot of these Kush varieties like Bubba Kush, Blackberry, um, and bred a lot with these like Afghans, because they perform well up here. Um you can even pull things off uh full term um if you can avoid hail damage with the right genetics up here.

SPEAKER_08 3:06:13

So um yeah, uh I'll probably uh yeah try to do that cowboy project.

SPEAKER_11 3:06:19

Um yeah, really looking forward to trying to dial in Skittles. I mean, it's kind of a grower's challenge plant in itself. Um so that'll be fun where we got plans to really try to dial in. It's such intense sun up here, and we're gonna do a lot more shade cloth and and really try to you know make sure that the environment for you know doing in a full-term run up at this elevation um that we're you know trying to dial in that resin of the Skittles and really see how it expresses um, you know, in this environment. So that's uh some of the projects that we'll be working on. But um yeah, I'm always like it's I gotta be semi-focused. It's I spread myself sometimes thin with uh between like breeding projects and um and then also making sure that you know we're focused on production. And you know, I I had to reel myself in a little bit this last year because the amount of varieties I was putting in my uh production rooms. Um I mean, we gained a ton of data, and that's why, you know, when I saw you at when you came to Denver, uh, you know, we had like 16, 17 different individual jars of uh, you know, that's all from small washes and growing a ton of different diverse um you know uh varieties and seeing how they come out and you know, both to see how they work in our production mode um and in our um situation, but also with the market and you know, so it gives it gives you a lot of uh important data, but I've had to, you know, just for my uh own time and um you know making sure to be efficient with everything, I've had to kind of tighten in the production. So yeah, a lot of lot of plans, a lot of projects. Hopefully, uh yeah, it'll be a pretty busy summer for for the boys.

SPEAKER_04 3:08:09

Well, remember what they say, give weed an inch and it will take the whole yard. That's right, my man.

SPEAKER_11 3:08:19

We're about to mix up some yards of soil here, so I can uh I can get behind that.

SPEAKER_04 3:08:24

Oh, there we go. And what's the trick? Like uh when you say dial in, like, are you looking to get a nice greasy wet resin? Like, is it really like are are people really that focused on a wetter resin versus a drier resin versus a whatever resin if it has the flavor and the potency and everything is there? Like, do you guys have a preference?

SPEAKER_11 3:08:49

I mean, I think most commonly it's and it's that's why there's unicorns, things like black maple that do good, and but they're you know, like waterberry six star across pretty much every micron. The hash comes out phenomenal and it yields well. Um, you know, there's a few varieties that do that, especially the sour OG chems. You know, so a lot of times you're giving up some yield for better quality, though, is uh generally what I see. I mean, GMO dumps a bunch, but it's really hard for it to be uh very wet in a cold gear. Um, which doesn't mean it's you know, I personally enjoy Chem D and I like, you know, uh there is like if you become more educated, it's not necessarily the end all be all, obviously things just being a wet resin. Um but uh in the market that we're in and in in general the best quality uh and the varieties that I really go for, uh that you know uh really seem to be the best productive, you know, are these two two and a half to three and a half percenters. Um where they meet the you know, they are able to produce and be productive enough, but they're you know generally very melty. Sometimes, you know, yeah, that 90U when you're scooping it, it's tough. You really do have to work in a cold room or have very cold water to be able to handle them. Um so I think a lot of people selected away or be pushed away from that just because they don't like the grease, you know, the the fact that it would maybe damage your bags, you'd have to clean things. But really, those are the varieties that you want to go after. It's this delicate bounce of like grease, uh, you know, that very thin cuticle and and the melt of the bride and how it pulls off the plant and being able to have enough density of heads to where it's commercially viable. And then the other agronomic traits of the plant as well.

SPEAKER_04 3:10:39

Those are the cold room collectibles, right? Those are you know, there's an enormous group of people in the hash world who have built cold rooms who will never have hash of that quality that don't even need the cold room because the reactor itself is cold enough. Um, it's really only when you pull the bags out of the water, uh, because even in a room that's not cold, you could easily put trays and have ice and create thermoclines and put your hash scooped in so it's not warming and turning the bubble gum. But anyone that's ever made like really full melt bubble, you pull that 73 or 90 bag, and as you scoop it out, you leave a thin layer of heads that haven't rinsed off yet. And it literally, in 30 seconds of being warmed, will just grease into an invisible coating over the over the thread of your bags. It's uh it's something else. But um, to me, for hash like that, you know, have your have your reactor, your collection bag reactor, you know, have a bunch of ice in the bottom with some water, so it's creating that thermocline around the stainless, and then just be able to wheel that into a much smaller closet style cold room that you just need to collect the hash, clean the bags, and maybe, you know, if you don't, you know, I was watching I think I think it was Simpson Samson, whatever his name is, dude, the sun got sundial guy. Um, he was saying he doesn't even ever like he he freezes his bags after rinsing them so that they can't, like if there is any resin in there, it's not gonna like grease out. So he just is always using frozen bags. And I thought that's that's pretty good for an OCD hashmaker if you've got the space to just keep your bags frozen. For the rest of us, I always thought extremely cold water, rinsing it really well, not allowing it to be sitting out at at a at a warmer temperature for any amount of time. Uh, and my bags always stayed clean for for many, many years.

SPEAKER_11 3:12:34

100%. Yeah, as long as you can keep the hash in cold water, you can get away with your environment, you know, or work very quickly in freezers. I didn't have a proper cold room for years, and you know, and working with very greasy varieties. And we made it work. You just gotta be, you know, work quickly. Yeah, get the hash off the bags and and keep things in cold water and and ice when you can clean it up.

SPEAKER_04 3:12:58

Dude, I used to make full melt with a cake mixer. A cake mixer. Like 18 bucks at Walmart. Crushing the full the the six star like out like nobody's business. Like I truly remember doing that, and it's just so crazy. Uh because of course now we have all these beautiful, uh, beautiful companies doing amazing work and engineering feats of uh epicness for hash making. But uh boy, that cake mixer was pretty good in its time. I also appreciated the cake mixer for its portability. You know, it was only my shock and awe when I went to Jamaica and I pulled up my cake mixer and the guy had a little mountain of weed, and I was like, all right, let's mix this up. I say, Where's the plug? And he looks at me and he goes, No current mon. And I'm like, no current mon. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, there's no and in the in his defense, I must have been out of my mind to think that there was, because we had just walked into the bush for like two hours carrying ice on our heads with Wally Duck and Gypsy Nirvana and a couple of other characters. We filmed an episode of uh International Canographic on this day, and also it was a magazine article that that was a that he created a magazine with. So when you bought the magazine, you got the article, but you also got a DVD inside the the the front page of the magazine, and that DVD was us making bubble hash in Jamaica in the middle of nowhere. And I think in that video, I asked the guy where to plug the mixer in. In the end, we ended up you know breaking a piece of wood down and turning it into a paddle and hand paddling this bubble uh for this guy. It was uh it was good, it wasn't the highest quality. Thank God I had made my own bubble prior to this experience and had pictures and sort of close-up video b-roll of it. So when we made the bubble that day in the bush, when it came to the money shots, we were able to use uh my hash uh that I had already made in Jamaica, not the hash that uh we were making at the time. Don't get me wrong, the hash was still on an exceptional level for 90% of people. It just wasn't uh, you know, what you would call. Man, you should call your place the 90U reserve.

SPEAKER_02 3:15:28

We've we've discussed this. I'm open to that 100%. I just want to I want to make it to where it's easy for people to remember. Um, yeah, that's it. So I mean don't get me wrong, even naming it 90U or having a floor 90U, you know, the top floor. Uh, there's a lot of ways to to do it. Um, but yeah, I mean it is the 90U of of spots. Let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_04 3:15:50

Right. So no VIP, it's 90U. You know the 90U? The 90U. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:15:58

Yeah, it's reserved for the you know, the people that that appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 3:16:03

Dude, I've been waiting, I've been waiting for the church to come in. I see some churchy shit. I see some churchy shit.

SPEAKER_02 3:16:11

Dude, so Scully's doing like a what is it, Scully, like a six foot like mural or something at the top of the stairs. So when you get up the stairs for the from the the pool uh pool table floor to the second floor, as soon as you walk up, you're gonna see a huge scully custom mural on the wall. Dude, that is awesome. That is so we're gonna him and I'm how is he gonna go about doing that?

SPEAKER_04 3:16:33

Is he gonna come experience a couple of gatherings there to get the feel and the people and the characters?

SPEAKER_02 3:16:39

And I think uh we have an idea. I mean, I I had a vision, right? And I presented it to him when we had our meeting, and I was looking more for like a castle downtown um hash, you know, vibe. And he has a lot of art that I I looked at on Instagram that I used as like kind of an inspiration for my vision. But what I'm getting at now is that on Tuesday, um, we're going to kind of custom brainstorm involving a lot of the people that are already in Denver in the mural, right? So like Matt or um Portal or Stuart or Kay from In-house or you know, any of the people like Naked T, um in figuring out how to make this, you know, very much a Denver thing. Like it. Well, obviously, Bubble Man, you'll you'll be in there too.

SPEAKER_04 3:17:29

I I can be in through bags because bubble bags are very much a Denver thing. People, you know, when you think of a lot of these brands and a lot of the hash that was made in the early days, and still to this day, a ton of that hash was made with bubble bags. So we we always represent, regardless of where we are. But I like that. That's a nice uh vision.

SPEAKER_02 3:17:51

I mean, Scully, you can talk more. You're the artist. I'm just somebody who hasn't had an idea that you're able to execute. So I don't want to speak for you.

SPEAKER_00 3:17:58

No, no, for sure. I like. The idea so far. I've been really stoked on doing uh some sort of like medieval style to kind of accentuate the space and stuff. It's got like cool uh kind of rustic, like machine shop uh stuff from like the past that I want to try and incorporate. That's pretty cool. I don't know, it's a really interesting spot. It's like kind of cool historic Denver. I've have never seen anything like that spot, truthfully. It's like one of a kind.

SPEAKER_04 3:18:25

Yeah, it definitely is. Shout out to Space and Corpy. I see the six stars above the steeple on the picture there. And that six star, that was the that was Space and Corpy, the Bizarre Brothers, in fact, who came up with the star rating. We should always shout them out for their part. True bubble ambassadors back in the day. Probably the first dudes that I saw using like hundred-gallon mixers and like pulling out like some pretty crazy quality. You know, there was a time where everyone thought that you couldn't make a lot at once, that you that it was limited, that it was only a uh, you know, like it's a craft thing. You can only make a little bit at a time, and that is just absolutely not uh the case. I showed this last time. It's dark because I melted it so hard today, but really beautiful quality, full mouth bubble. And we have like uh 44 kilos of this braid right here.

SPEAKER_02 3:19:26

So is that what you were smoking uh on the chairlift yesterday or on the at Whistler? Yeah, dude, out of the out of the new core, right? Dude, this thing is insane.

SPEAKER_04 3:19:36

First of all, I know how the fuck why does it hit so much harder than the than the proxy? It is a proxy.

SPEAKER_02 3:19:46

They just dialed it, I think, man. I think it's got to be.

SPEAKER_04 3:19:52

Uh, and they just put it in this little like composite piece that's quite hard. Uh and it just shuts off the bowl, which is here. This is the part that you would normally suck from here into the pipe and out the mouthpiece and into your lungs. But this, you're pinching it off. So now you can't do that anymore. Now you're just hitting the mouthpiece. Now I heard all sorts of people say, Oh, yeah, you you suck oil up from the from in here. You uh there's a bead in there too. I'm not sure if you guys can see it. A little pearl. I got a little uh little ruby pearl in there. Anyway, I guess inside the mouthpiece it splits both ways and it creates that pearl to spin really, really well. I wasn't overfilling it by any means, but I definitely found it to be very useful. The battery never uh even came close to dying. I brought it out on full and I hit it about maybe four or five times. I filled it four or five times. And I gotta say, like it's wild how engineering could change something like this to this, and then suddenly have it like, I'm telling you, this thing hits like I don't even know how it's gotta be at least a two to three X more than what I get out of the proxy by itself. Like I was blasting out massive. I've also got a shout out that I've been really enjoying uh the link. Uh putting the link into my into my mothership. And you know, I if I'm here, I appreciate the universal heater. It's my favorite with my school quartz banger.

SPEAKER_10 3:21:26

But if I'm watching a movie or something and I can still hit my piece with you know the link, I just appreciate convenient it has been to just sit here and roll hash without having to like tell me mute myself or do whatever. Best thing ever, dude. I know I've seen like some mixed responses to this thing online, but like I don't think those people have been using it correctly, dude.

SPEAKER_04 3:21:48

It's just been super chill for me.

SPEAKER_02 3:21:50

Well, and with me, like I have the reserve, right? And the reserve is is built in 1892. The construction is all you know, original wood beams, um, just a beautiful space. Uh tons of probably 10,000 square feet or more of wood floors. Um, if if there's a fire from you know a torch and and you know, a banger basket or um, you know, like we've seen at events in the past year, it is not, there's no coming back from that. So the link is actually not only a convenience and and such a cool thing, but it's such a safety um measure as far as my space and being able to have um, you know, not every like don't get me wrong, people will be using torches and bangers, but um, for the people that just aren't really familiar with it, like you have to have the links, you have to.

SPEAKER_04 3:22:37

You can have universal heaters as well, and you can have disorderly conduct. Like, there's there's other ways without involving the torch. The torch is a good thing to phase out if you can. For sure. I I couldn't agree more because like I don't think it goes along with a nice dinner, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 3:22:53

Just like well, it doesn't go along with the old school upper echelon vibes of like think of like the highest end like billionaire liquor parties, right? Or wine mixers or whatever, where every nobody everybody is at the highest end, nobody's carrying a torch around. Um, and unless it's like you know, it's just flames from some flan or creme brulee or something.

SPEAKER_04 3:23:13

Yeah. Indeed. Well, either way, I couldn't believe how convenient this thing was on the mountain. I think I liked it much more than the pivot for on-mountain activity. It's also not too solid, but solid enough that you feel it in your pocket. So you don't always have to be like kind of like doing the like, oh, where is it? Because I do tend to move my stuff around my pockets just in order to torture myself. I also like to like leave some zippers open and some zippers closed like an idiot. So then I'm like even having more heart attacks on the mountain, worried that I've lost all my shit. I see uh I see Scully smiling.

SPEAKER_00 3:23:53

He's done it. Dude, I've lost my car keys once. I like drove out with my friend and it's like snowing and we're having the best day, and it's like 3:30, they're like gonna shut off the lift soon. We're like, all right, all right, let's uh let's head down. We like go down. I'm like, dude, I don't have my freaking car keys anymore. My pocket is just unzipped. There's nothing in it. I was like, all right, well, we got like one or two runs, or else we're pretty much just stuck out here. And dude, we literally went up and just looked out and happened to find my keys like laying underneath a little bit of fallen fresh snow and hugged each other. You found the release, dude. We found my keys on the mountain, which is still the most unbelievable part, uh, and then drove all the way back home in relative silence. And a realization that, yeah, I would have been totally fucked.

SPEAKER_04 3:24:47

That's gotta be one of the second most impressive things ever. I always will have to give it to my good friend Tony back in the day when he went back to the mud field tripping on acid to find the piece of hash that we dropped and came back with the piece of hash. Excellent. That was that was a level of like I don't even know what, you know, like of all the people to send into the field, why would we have sent him, first of all? But maybe it was a superpower. Sometimes it's just meant to be. Sometimes it is just meant to be. Yeah, this is great, man. This is really fun just coming together, putting all these things. It's so neat how you can incorporate so much of the culture with you know the the the equipment and the tools and the pipes and the holy shit.

SPEAKER_00 3:25:36

Yeah, thanks. I was trying to get like uh a little bit of a bunch of the stuff that we talked about, and mostly like, I don't know, the the trials and tribulations of making good hash and all the struggle and uh you know some of the some of the community getting to share it with people, getting to try it for the first time, some of the different forms. I think I I maybe went a little crazy. I I added a little too much in, but I I'm uh I'm almost done with the lines. So let's add some color here. I still got a little bit of time.

SPEAKER_04 3:26:07

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 3:26:08

Hey, you know, Scully, what what I'd like to do with this with with Bubble Man's approval, of course, is we should do uh we should you know put this as the episode and then sell limited edition prints at the reserve.

SPEAKER_00 3:26:19

Oh, yeah, absolutely, man. I definitely want to want to make some prints of this and make them available for uh for anybody that wants them for sure.

SPEAKER_04 3:26:27

Yeah, absolutely. That's super cool. Fuck. That is a super cool original.

SPEAKER_02 3:26:35

I mean, glass art, you know, painting art, the highest end hash, the highest end food, the highest end people. We're doing it, guys. I mean, we're we're going to create something that has been created. Um, and I'm not, you know, I'm I'm I'm more motivated than ever of bringing all the right people together that this is going to be an absolute game-changing home run for hash uh and setting the precedent for what the highest end hash environment looks like.

SPEAKER_04 3:27:05

Hell yeah. Sorry, I was just typing. It's funny sometimes the odd time, I'm pretty good, but the odd time you guys will stop talking before I assumed you would stop talking, and then I'm like, it's okay, someone else will talk. They won't let it be an awkward silence and have me looking like a total asshole on my own show. I'm just joking. It's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 3:27:29

Awesome. And then trust me, I mean, they're gonna get a lot of people like Dred, who are OGs that come out of the woodwork for something like this, right? They've been waiting uh for something that brings the culture together in a way that is tight-knit. And I couldn't be more stoked to involve all of you guys in this and and put Colorado back on uh as far as a destination event that people can can come to or a you know a plethora of destination events. And that's where all of our brains come together. Um it's not just on me, it's on you know, everybody collaborating to create uh the change that we want to see and set the precedent for what the best hash environment looks like. So um if you know if anyone's watching this that's in Colorado that's also in hash, uh feel free to reach out and I'd love to talk to you about involving you and um really you know making this a big thing for Denver.

SPEAKER_04 3:28:18

And there's gotta be a website that people can kind of link up with or an Instagram or some socials too.

SPEAKER_02 3:28:24

Well, I'm gonna announce all that. Um my Instagram right now I'm gonna be transferring over to the reserve uh just because the hemp laws here are gonna be changing. Um, and then I do have a website that is that is pretty much done that I'm not gonna release until uh we're ready to to start announcing the first events, which should be within the next two to four weeks max. Word.

SPEAKER_04 3:28:45

Word. I did not hear back from uh Levi, but we are in the talks as well, just for a small bubble man course that we're gonna be potentially doing at uh Low Temp in Denver, which of course I want to involve the reserve with as well, possibly a little gathering afterwards, maybe even a live hash church there. Um, but yeah, this uh would be a course that we're gonna offer between uh collaboration between Low Temp and myself. And so yeah, you can reach out to them and ask them about that, and we're gonna start moving that forward here. I think even tomorrow we'll be having one of our first conversations to really like solidify. Although Levi and I have had a few conversations about it and we're we're both in agreement that it's gonna happen. I'm really excited to come there and and do that. In fact, what I'd really like to do prior to this um course is I'd love to come mix up a batch with uh with Stuart and Jack, uh, if if possible. And I'd love to uh maybe get in and mix up a batch with uh the in-house team on their osprey. And then I'm gonna go down to Moffitt and I'm gonna wash some in our ospreys at the Bubble Man 111 uh lab down there with uh Daniel. So I like the idea of washing uh a bunch. I've used ospreys in the past, but I want to make sure that I bring some good value specifically to washing with ospreys. And then, of course, uh yeah, should just be good, chalked full of historical context and the history of at least my story and my hash journey, and uh uh give uh give away as as many techniques and and sort of tricks and understanding. I guess at this point in time, the real trick to hash making is understanding that you have to specialize in nuances and that you have to specialize in understanding a resin that constantly changes, and the more you think it doesn't, the more it will. So uh yeah, don't uh make the hash bend the knee. I always bend the knee to the hash. That's my uh mission. So I'm excited. That's gonna be in May.

SPEAKER_02 3:30:59

So and we're gonna do some stuff around the reserve with it too. We just don't know the details. I'm telling you now that when Marcus is in town, we're gonna be, it's gonna be the the 90U.

SPEAKER_04 3:31:10

I'm there. I'm there. As you told me the second time I came to Denver, he's like pulls me aside. He's like, listen, man, you are not staying at an Airbnb or a hotel ever again. I'm like, all right, damn right.

SPEAKER_02 3:31:26

I stand on that.

SPEAKER_07 3:31:27

All right.

SPEAKER_02 3:31:28

I'm I'm thank you. You already know. Um, and and you know, like I said, guys, we're I'm I'm more than excited. I know that I've said it a million times, but um Nick Atee's in the chat, he's a huge part of this as well. Um, Bike and someone mentioned Bike in the chat. Uh Bike is is an OG here in Colorado, and he's very involved as well. He's just uh having an issue with his car right now. So I might have to go pick him up too, Scully, just to make sure that Bike can be there. Nice. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:31:58

That's what's up. Well, maybe one more dab. Maybe I'll uh you can't hit this thing when it's like, although I'll tell you, it hits that good that I was just considering hitting this instead of my rig with my banger. But of course, not a crazy person that will hit my rights on my banger. And shout out to Brian from D nail because the fucking universal heater, dude, it's just quiet, doesn't make a sound. I've got it in a place where I never burn myself, I don't reach over it, I don't rookie move out on it, and it is just continually I think it takes about 45 seconds to heat uh uh my banger up with this. The only thing is uh the other thing I like about it because it heats it up kind of you know, when you first put it in cold from slow it warms up. If you've left anything behind on the banger, um, it'll start smoking gently. And if you catch it right away, you can you can do another dunk and clean it better uh and make sure the next time you heat it that you're not caking uh resin into the uh the tool. Into the banger, sorry. All right, here we go. Another another rip. Do another rip while uh Scully is getting ready to uh oh god, the texture on this is just incredible. It's it's like just like taffy. It's a it's a it's a taffy-like texture. Quite lovely.

SPEAKER_11 3:33:28

What's the variety, Marcus?

SPEAKER_04 3:33:30

This variety is called bubble up. And what we're gonna have to do real quick is we're gonna have to um do a little Google search on what that cannabis strain is. Indica dominant for sure. I knew that, it's very gassy. Uh it produced by tribal and a canarin, it was bred by exotic genetics by crossing Zope with deluxe. So yeah, karyophylline, pharnacine, which is a unique one, limonine and linolule are sort of the tops. It's definitely a creeper in the sense that it's strong and it hits you like after you've hit it. But uh yeah, deluxe crossed with Zoe. Nice. Let's find out what deluxe is because uh OG deluxe, so it's an OG. Made from genetic cross between OG KB and Triangle Kush. So that's what the deluxe is.

SPEAKER_02 3:34:42

I have a question for Stuart, Turps over Yields and Portal. Um, as far as genetics and stuff that you guys are running right now, or um stuff that's coming out as far as the market, what are you guys most excited about?

SPEAKER_07 3:34:56

Um for me personally, I've me and Milheimet did a collab, and I've been working on this Oishi line. It's like a flavor pack Mumbo from Archive. So it's got like a cushy Z vibe, and I've been really working with that one. And we just did a uh uh I gave him male pollen and he put it on all his selections. So I'm looking forward to popping those kind of some exclusive things that uh we'll have that no one else will really have, and a couple other things too, but I'm really excited about the uh new Oishi lines we did are doing. Love that, man. Can't wait to try some of that.

SPEAKER_10 3:35:33

Um I've been popping a lot of stuff from Terp Fountain genetics lately. Um, really, really pleased with those. I'm about to pop some Sandia Azul from him as well. And then the other thing that I'm really excited about right now, um, I think Marcus has had Johnny on in the past from Huckleberry Hill Farms. Absolutely. Uh so Johnny's partner Rose is a really old friend of mine. We've known each other for like over 10 years, and so we've been in touch here and there, and we're doing a collaboration between the two of them where I'm actually gonna grow their new strain that they're dropping this season, um, Dawn Patrol, which is White Thorn Rose Cross to Riddles. So I'll be growing that in like indoor living soil beds and washing it and doing a collaborative release with them. Um, and that's probably one of the coolest things that I've got going on so far this year.

SPEAKER_04 3:36:32

Well, dude, that sounds like I want to be a part of it by smoking it. I got you. I got you covered. The reserve, baby. That's what's up. That's what's up. I love to hear that. By the way, I wanted to finish up on the bubble up because I had no idea what Zope was, but Zope is Rainbow Sherbert and Pink Guava, which was bred by Dio Farms of Oakland. So this bubble up is fire, bro.

SPEAKER_02 3:36:58

I ran it like two years ago. It's super, super fire. And Stuart, I wanted to hear from you too. I didn't mean to interrupt.

SPEAKER_11 3:37:04

Oh no, you're all good. Um, probably the maybe the cowboy champagne, which is uh I just made a small, small batch of seeds of that this fall. Um, and that's uh the champaia across the cowboy uh cush uh uh back cross one male. Um so that'll be like a gassy, like uh earthy, um, you know, with the papaya. I'm just interested to see if uh I can find something in there that you know blends those two worlds. So um yeah, that's one of the varieties I'm really stoked of my work to hunt through. And um Champaio is one of my favorites from the last year. Also the Gary Payton. Um I hope to yeah, do some projects with that. That's that's one of my favorites as far as uh a hype, you know, cultivar that I just am in love with that resin.

SPEAKER_02 3:37:57

Yeah, the Gary's special, man. That's uh I mean, it's funny because a lot of people hate on it, but it's this really unique gas that all that you you you don't get from the traditional OGs.

SPEAKER_11 3:38:09

Yeah, it's pinene dominant. It's got it's like this, it's very complex. Similarly like Oishi is another one of my favorites. Uh yeah, the variety jack is is talking about because it's got this mix of Z and Kush, almost like pure Kush poopery. Um and obviously Gary's different, it's almost like a menagerie of cookies and gas and like um, but it has that complexity and depth, and then just the resin quality is you know, she might not be the craziest yielder, although I mean Jack just washed a batch of it and it got um what it is to melt close to 8%. So Jack has a nice O3 setup. I don't I don't have a um as nice of a ladder but you know that washer, you know, definitely you can get um I'm seeing better yields, you know, already with that. And then we washed the the Limosa as well. But yeah, the Gary is special um profile as far as its depth. Um, you know, again, that's some of the at the attributes that I you know I think we really try to search for now. It's just the flavor translation and just the complexity and it lit really lingering on the palette. Um, and Oishi, uh, you know, Gary Payton, Black Maple, you know, these are some really complex uh varieties and really check every box with their resin and uh and their profile.

SPEAKER_02 3:39:33

Yeah, and it's crazy, Stuart, because there's people that will run the same cut. And you know, in the drug dealers podcast, uh Garen or Jaron and Gabe, they say a lot, um, you know, phenotype equals genotype times environment, right? So basically, when you have all the the same cuts, but you have different people running different lights and different nutrients or different living soil, um, you know, different PPFD, different, you know, everything, um, you you end up with a totally different. Ball game basically of the expression. So it's really cool for me to see all of you guys run a lot of the similar stuff from the jars that I saw at the sesh that we had. And then how different the expression is. Like even with portal stuff, like the Peach Marasino he runs. I've ran the Peach Maraschino from Love and Enter Eyes a bunch. And it is absolute fire. But he has this one phenomenon the way he does it with his living soil that's just stupid fire. And that's that's one of those that I wouldn't even switch out portal just because it's so good, dude. Just keep it on the menu.

SPEAKER_10 3:40:34

One of the ones that would get moved around. For me, it's ones like to maybe like circle back to one of the older conversations from the show is like, you know, Kay was dogging hard on pheno hunting and all that, and it is super important. It's uh it's tough sometimes. Like, how do you say, like, right? Like, so I have superboof and black maple and things that maybe are like not they're more commonplace, right? But done really well and expressed really well, they're still valid cultivars. They may also be somewhat overproduced in this time period, but it doesn't necessarily like invalidate them totally, as well as like you know, when you're the the consequences are always there regardless of scale, you can absorb it more easily the bigger you are at scale. But to run cultivars that are only yielding 2% or 3% to resin before you press them to rosin is like the way that you can do that is by running other things that do 5 and 6% that maybe like are not so rare or something, but if you're doing them excellent and they produce a good product, it can help. I don't know if you want to like say float the boat or whatever, just to like absorb the impact of running really low-yielding cultivars. Like, I'm really excited to see what Jack does with his OEC line that he's been working on because Oeshi is super incredible, in my opinion. Um, I have a friend a friend of mine gifted me a cut of his Oeshi that I think is super excellent. Um, shout out the homie Oreo in Minnesota, but like his cut only yields like 2%. Like, you know, like and Jack's yields higher than that, right? But like I can justify Jack's so don't don't get a personal those yields way higher. But like but yeah, like this one, you know, like I can justify running it if I can do a little bit of something else. But like it's been my goal for a long time to have my menu be almost completely full of things that I've pheno hunted or pheno hunted with friends, or I'm like one person removed from having a unique cut, which is the case with that Peach Marashino.

SPEAKER_02 3:42:51

Um and you know, I think I'm like this most recent drop was like you know, say 75% of the way there because I ran if you ran any of her other stuff, like the Straw Electric Lemonade or the any of the newer the newer uh seed runs she's done. I'm I'd be curious how those wash, if anyone here has ran any of them. They're really neat.

SPEAKER_10 3:43:16

I'd be curious to see more of her new stuff.

SPEAKER_02 3:43:19

It's hard to come across in a particular well Gabe Gabe from uh 5.8 and uh Jug Dealers, he he is very good friends with her and gets uh he's given like a sample of pretty much all the all the stuff that they release. And you know, when I went to smell some of those jars at 5.8, I was like, dude, this is the turfs are so unique on a lot of the stuff that they breed, and you have no idea the lineage. So what they do is they breed for you know generations trying to narrow down one specific profile um that is that is not like something that you would normally find. Um so that's why I really like their gear, is because you're finding things that are very specific to exactly what the flavor is that they're pushing on the pack. Um I don't really love that you don't know the exact genetic lineage of it, but other than that, I mean, I think that's one of those unique standing points in in the industry where a lot of us are flavor chasers and being able to have those unique flavors, like you have portal and you know, turps over yields and steward and K from in-house, like that's what makes us all unique, right? Is having these very specific, like like portal. You have that red of what was it, the red. I was like, this smells like the red pop runs.

SPEAKER_10 3:44:30

The lemons, or the smoothie. No, I think you're talking about the red pebbles, um, red pebbles from that guy, Turp Fountain that I mentioned earlier. And you know, like they're using the same red pie gasm male. Shout out to Andrew doing a great job with unique and interesting terps. But um yeah, I think I think just like keeping stuff like that in rotation and like bringing new flavors is super important when you're trying to reach like you know, I think you keep calling it like that upper echelon or whatever people want new things, and yeah, I would not get rid of the peach from my menu. There's no reason to do that yet, but I could let you know the super booth and certain other things fall off a little bit because there's there's more interesting things to be found for sure.

SPEAKER_02 3:45:22

Yeah, I mean, right now events are full spec, right? Like we're we're not doing a full spec line. Our events are 90 you. We're taking the whole industry and we're running them through the bubble bags, and we're taking that 90, you know, 90 bag first, you know, first pass, and we're we're taking that, and that's what we're we're cultivating for. So, and and as you know, that's that's the those are the people that are really doing it right, is the people that really care and and live by hash and live by genetics, and um, that's what I live for. So I want more people around me like that.

SPEAKER_04 3:45:54

And shout out the people who like the real 73, which is before I added the 90 micron. The 90 micron bag was the last bag that I added to the bubble bag kit. There was no 90 micron bag in the world of water extraction, it was the last one. It took the kit from a seven bag to an eight bag, and then I I stopped adding numbers because it it uh it was gonna get insane, but that bag did make a big difference. Um, I still am always stoked on the 73 as well as well as the 90. Um, but yeah, the 90 bag was uh probably the most profound bag. Well, in a different way. This the 160 was a profound bag because it pulled contaminant out of the bags that um was ending up in the nicer hash down down the road, like in the 120 or God forbid the 73. If you were using like four bags, like a 220, a 160, a 73, and uh maybe you weren't even collecting the 25, a 45. I collect them all myself. Um my 25. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:47:08

What what year was that? Did you put out the 90?

SPEAKER_04 3:47:14

I mean maybe 2005.

SPEAKER_02 3:47:18

Epic. Wow, 20 years, 20 years later, we're getting the 90U for events. So yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 3:47:27

I always said that. I when I opened my gallery, I was like, I want this to be like the full mount gallery, I want it to be like full melt food, full melt people, full mount vibes, full mount music. Like that's what we wanted it to be.

SPEAKER_02 3:47:44

Oh man, dude. So I actually messaged Bike on the side, and he's like, Yeah, little do you know I'm doing Marcus's hash church website. Here's the thing, here's the password. Good work, Bike. This looks awesome. Dude, isn't it cool? Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:47:59

Dude, he's gonna help aggregate all this hash church data from the past in a way that people can search it and come up with and find the episodes they're looking for just by searching a subject or a person or you know, a uh whatever.

SPEAKER_02 3:48:18

So it's a pretty big bike, bike is everywhere, man, and it's so great because this is coming full circle Colorado. Like Bike, I remember doing the John Doe radio show with Bike in like 2014 and 2015 with uh Tim Martin, and um, and it was just a different world, man. And it's hard to explain. Like, you know, when I say we've fallen off, we haven't really it's not really falling off, it's just other people have taken our place. And I and I I'm not here for that. I want to see Colorado like be where we were at, and all the people were connected. And um, man, I'm I'm stoked. This is gonna be so great. You got all the right people, Marcus.

SPEAKER_04 3:48:56

Yeah, apparently so. I don't know how that all came into being, but yeah, he's saying it's live, haschurch.org. I mean, I'm I'm seeing it, that's true. There it is.

SPEAKER_02 3:49:06

He uh he did great work, man. Shout out to Bike, Wax Gang.

SPEAKER_04 3:49:11

Yeah, interesting. Interesting. Well, cool. I'm getting all sucked down the rabbit hole. Also, of uh Scully's drawing is pretty insane.

SPEAKER_06 3:49:28

Um, yeah, watching the colors come together now. Yeah, it's so sweet, dude. Coming out too, that's why I did the gray in the background, the white pop in the front. We're gonna have to hang out till this completes.

SPEAKER_04 3:49:39

Man, I can't just like go away.

SPEAKER_02 3:49:42

Little did Scully know this was his test for the reserve to do all a custom poster for each event that we do.

SPEAKER_04 3:49:48

He's just like, I know what I'll do, I'll just draw 400 different complex intertwining things over the course of a mountain scale with a make it everything they're talking about. What a crazy awesome uh experience, dude. I don't rush by any means, but I'm definitely gonna hang out and watch you uh uh watch more of this because uh I I find having it open on YouTube uh is is a better way to watch it than having it open in my uh Zoom screen. So that's what I've got going on. I can see the chat that way as well. I got a good chat, live chat. There's always a chat going on in here. It's like yeah, smoke a bowl. Oh, it's only for testing. Only for a test. Okay, okay. I'll take it down until it's done. Whatever, it looks good to me, man. Um, testing is good. See if it works, check it out, aggregate that data, be able to search the last 12 years of hash church, being able to just go on there and search. You know, so many people ask me all the time, hey, remember that thing you guys talked about, or that person or that concept? And I'm just like, oof. I mean, I remember in the sense of like, yes, I was there and had the conversation. Do I attribute that conversation and correlate it to a season and a number of an episode? I I do not. That is where I uh music. Yes, see Jeffrey, so dope Scully, he's saying in the uh in the chat room. I said to uh Jeffrey from the press club that uh he's got a link up with Scully. They do they do they like promote artists, they do cool collaborations, and I think the press club and Scully Vibes is uh a good collaboration. So if you don't know them already, Scully, I will give you his number. And if you do know him already, then disregard.

SPEAKER_00 3:51:52

No, yeah, please do.

SPEAKER_02 3:51:53

Yeah, press club is the best, man. I use their their paper and uh have used them for a lot for a long time, so probably three, four years.

SPEAKER_04 3:52:01

Yeah, they're a big sponsor at Hash Church. We love them. They've uh lined me up with their new doubles um double doubled bags, which definitely when you're commercially pressing rosin and you're worried about blowouts, you're gonna double up your bags, and it does take time to put those bags inside of one another. If you can buy them and have them already doubled up, it does save time. It seems like a small amount of time, but over the course of a year of someone like pressing rosin for five hours a day, sit five days a week, uh, that adds up a substantial amount.

SPEAKER_07 3:52:33

I've been experimenting with those double bags from Press Club, and I really do like them. They've a game changer. Uh, that 120U on the outside of the 25 holds it in place and keeps it from slipping. I've done you know, triple bagged and then double bagged and all sorts of ways, and those are really good.

SPEAKER_04 3:52:51

Totally agree. Smart makes sense. You you nailed it with the 120 bag on the outside, uh, a coarser bag by even just to feel better. And uh when the resin is coming out of that 25 bag on the inside, it just comes out of the 120 different, it doesn't make it slippery.

SPEAKER_07 3:53:11

The bag does hold into place, and um yeah, it's I can press um faster without like risking blowout because I usually I do like double or triple 25U, but with the with their bags, and I've I've noticed I can squish lower and quicker and faster um all at once. It's been really nice. Um, because normally I try and do like two to three minutes, depending how much is in the bag and the temperature. But I've been it's been really cool experimenting going at a much lower temp and getting it off the press quicker. I definitely think it's making a higher quality product.

SPEAKER_04 3:53:48

Yeah, awesome. And have any of you guys tried uh low temps uh new rosin press, the V4?

SPEAKER_07 3:53:57

I've been going like like with me and Stuart's collab, we did the Gary Payton, and I was pressing closer to like 140, 145 just because that was uh really greasy stuff, and I've never ever been able to press that because I feel like you know I don't like to keep it on the press too long. I'm trying to get it squished and get it off, and but I'm also trying to make sure that it's not too hot. But um, yeah, I've been trying to experiment with lower temperatures for sure. Um, definitely on the greasier stuff, like 140 to 150, and it's been making a more stable rosin and uh definitely retains a lot more terps.

SPEAKER_04 3:54:34

Yeah, exactly. Obviously, it makes sense that uh the less time it spends on the plates heating up, the maybe more volatiles that will it will preserve. Uh, so I like omnidirectional. I've always liked omnidirectional. I'm not like uh let's for I mean I get it for Instagram and social media for the money shot to have like you know it's coming out the one direction. You folded it all up so all the rosin is coming over the whole plate and going out the the I personally always preferred to have it come out the sides, the back, and the front of my plates and get it off the plates uh as soon as possible. But um the beautiful thing is uh that is really just the obsession part of what we do, uh, and it becomes more uh subjective of what people prefer. So I mean, if you're going to all the trouble already, you might as well do as many little things as possible in order to sort of preserve and maintain those volatile organic compounds. Because I think at that point in time, that's really what this is about. You know, the cannabinoids are sort of this base, but like you know, if any if everyone just wanted those, they could get disillet for like a dollar twenty a gram. So it's like what it really is, is it's cannabinoids mixed with these really high-level um volatile organic compound profiles that are you know, thiols and thiolates and terpenes and terpenoids and aldehydes and esters and all of these incredible things that produce these profiles, that really is to me the future of um of cannabis extracts. That's what it is, you know. If you have an appreciation for these uh subtle nuances in the flower, you'll love them concentrated and removed from the flower. Um, especially when you realize all the effects you got from the flower were coming from this particular extract. It was just diluted. So the way you feel it was also diluted. So yeah, I look forward to seeing the future of uh of extracts. I often wonder, you know, what could be next to the way water extraction showed up in the late 90s and the way Rosin showed up in 2014-2015. I mean, it it peaked its head around 0708, but it didn't really catch on. I did the process, I milked the heads of the trichomes along to the bowl and the double boiler, the compassion post from from like 0708. He was the first one to really talk about rosin. It didn't catch on. It wasn't until soil grown Phil hit the flower with the with the hair straightener and made that rosin. That was I I think we did a show in 2015, which would have been within three weeks of him doing it, maybe maybe less. So yeah, we've we've gotten to be a part of it all. I I wonder what the next part uh could possibly be. That's the thing I really look forward to. Is what's what what next thing is, you know, there's also been a a rise and a jump in static. I should I should mention that, you know, having been someone that knew about that process for many, many years to see it now uh turned into products and uh being able to do it with machines and equipment that people have designed, intelligent people. Um, shout out to Sambo Creek Filtration. Those guys uh definitely created a unique thing. And the fact that that's also available. I just I wonder, is it is it is it going to be one of these massive, you know, liquid nitrogen dry sifting units that reduces the resin off the field in in in fast amounts of time that you can then take that and go uh separate it mechanically, dry sift or wet wash it, or extract it, doing any other number. It would be cool if we got to a place, you know, where resin was what we were starting with uh as our as our biomass, as our material. Uh, I certainly would prefer the yields on that uh over flour, but um uh I always enjoy working with with resin as my starting point, you know, like dry sift. Do you do you guys don't really see I didn't see dry sift being very big in um color in the Colorado scene? Is anyone fucking with uh no no?

SPEAKER_02 3:59:08

The only person doing dry sift that I've actually smoked here is Adam Dunn, and he does it the old school way. Remember, I showed I showed you the article the other day, Bubble Man, the the one with him in Beard Bros farm, yeah, uh, where he's you know has the has the screen and it's probably 94, 95. Um, and Adam's just sitting there, you know, doing his passion. And yeah, no, it's not something that's prevalent here. I mean, you I'd be curious to hear what you guys have to say as far as everyone else on here, but I haven't seen much at all.

SPEAKER_04 3:59:37

Need to change that. You guys make dry sift at all? You guys have nice material. Dry sift screens are just a great way to teach you about your resin. You know, you can get them right on your hands, it's like you're touching them.

SPEAKER_10 3:59:50

Um I have screens, but I've never used them because I don't really dry any material. Yeah, like it's very, very, very rare that I have dried cut flour.

SPEAKER_04 4:00:07

Interesting.

SPEAKER_07 4:00:08

I haven't experimented either. Um, I've seen people on the West Coast with their big fancy machines doing it. Um, but no, I haven't really seen anyone in Colorado. I do want to experiment with the same here, like we mostly just do fresh frozen. There's not much material.

SPEAKER_11 4:00:24

So we used we used to do even like dry ice sift like a long time ago with uh uh you know just our trim, um, and then not really clean it up uh as much. Um but I would like to get some screens eventually and start doing some like air drying and stuff too. Of uh I haven't really experimented experimented as much with that. Um yeah, air dry and do some of that, but also um you know but you don't you don't see it much around because yeah, either people are drying for flour and they you know then they're pushing their product towards like BHO extraction or something uh for the trim, or you know, or we're freezing everything and and extracting whole plant fresh frozen out here.

SPEAKER_04 4:01:12

Yeah, you'd almost have to uh grow it for it if you wanted to do that. You'd someone would have to be like, we're planting this field, we're gonna grow some beautiful resin heads, and then we're gonna dry it and we're gonna sift the entire uh field. Um it's interesting.

SPEAKER_11 4:01:32

With varieties that are more uh greasy and wet resin and haze, and some of these ones that don't extract well in the water, you know, when you do dry them, then the resin becomes like workable and easier to isolate. So, you know, I think dry stift would be like great for some of these varieties that you know already don't really meet the you know, uh don't work well for the water process, but you could dry that material and then clean them up and make some really Cool haze, dry sift, and other stuff.

SPEAKER_04 4:02:03

Yeah, absolutely. Well, we'll have to make sure we get more uh dry sifted hash uh there. We're we're doing our traditional hash, uh the brick hash and eventually the temple balls in Colorado for um it's a dry sifted hash.

SPEAKER_02 4:02:19

Well, you know what we're gonna do, Marcus? I'm gonna talk to Adam tomorrow. Um, and we might do uh a dry sift something, whether it's a class or a demo, um, and then have Adam bring a bunch of his dry sift and his specific hash smoking pipe. So it's dry sift pipe that was made by Jason Harris, you know, Jerome Baker, um, glass, and and I wanna I want to explore that more because the highs that I get off of smoking Adam's hash pipe uh versus smoking rosin or any other you know modern extracts uh is totally different. Uh and it's euphoric and it's it's almost light, uh, and it's it's beautiful and it's hard to explain.

SPEAKER_04 4:02:58

Yeah, no, I I know it. I've been smoking dry stuff for almost 30 years, so I I I love it. When I have it, I'm very happy. I do have a little bit still. Um I used to sometimes I get lucky and I would make a lot for friends, and then I would get a little piece of the lot that I made, and I would be like, like even 10 or 20 grams of like pure rychomb heads that were dry sifted and properly aged. And it's just like that that process teaches you what plants are prepared to produce and and and fit into that uh chain versus the ones that just can't be. And uh when you find the ones that can, it's quite a thing, and they just they preserve themselves so so perfectly in their own little resin heads. All you have to do is isolate them out. The process of static in particular, even just with the hand on the screen, uh, produces an incredible amount of charge and an incredible amount of resin that can stick to your hand when you have the goods. It's kind of like uh the way the bubble bags have always been a bit of a word of God. Like people like, I have the best weed. It's like, oh well, just throw some of it through the bags and tell me if 25 through 190 melts, because if it does, then I will agree with you that you do have some of the best weed. Like that's super rare to get like seven bags melting out of uh I've seen it. I saw it in uh in uh Switzerland in the early 2000s at Breeder Steve's place, and I remember being very surprised that they all were like melty and bubbly, all from 190 to 25 micron. It was uh it was a shocker to say the least. This picture is coming together, bro.

SPEAKER_02 4:04:47

I know Scully is the goat.

SPEAKER_00 4:04:50

Oh yeah, thank you. I'm rushing trying to get it done.

SPEAKER_04 4:04:54

Don't no rush, man. Don't rush. Um I don't even have my kid here bugging me to leave, so he's probably out having fun. If he was standing at my door, I'd be like, I gotta go. But uh no, we can just continue on with our conversation about all things hash and all things Colorado, um, and all things skully vibes.

SPEAKER_02 4:05:19

Yeah, I can't tell you how excited I am. Uh Marcus, if you want to brainstorm or steward or portal or turps over uh uh yield, if any of you guys like want to brainstorm about things that we can incorporate into a scully piece for the Denver scene, um I'm open to all feedback.

SPEAKER_04 4:05:37

Oh yeah. Jesus Christ, that is a very cool image. That's uh that's fun. What a fun thing to just be able to do, you know. Like I could totally picture Scully drawing all through school and not paying attention. But just having like wicked binders full of cr the craziest shit.

SPEAKER_06 4:06:07

Well, that's the thing about they seem to forget that you you can hear what's going on and still draw. I did the same thing. I got I was in Catholic school and I used to get wrapped on the knuckles for drawing in all the corners and edges. Uh I was, you know, usually daydreaming and bored. So, you know, I I was able to create my own little worlds and own little, you know, by the time I was 15, I had like 300 different cartoon characters just out of boredom. Right? So, you know, it's it's you know it really just forces you forward because you can absorb while still creating, and I think it's the non-creatives that don't really understand that, right, Scully.

SPEAKER_00 4:06:52

Uh yeah, definitely, I don't know, I feel like it helps me focus in some ways, but that was hard making that argument to my teachers. They never wanted to hear that.

SPEAKER_04 4:07:02

No, ever. They're like, look, just let me doodle in my binder here, just doodling, and uh you go on and teach your class. What I'll pass.

SPEAKER_06 4:07:14

So at what age did you really, you know, nail this skull motif that has really become your moniker? I mean, it must have been pretty early on, or you know, when did it really click for you initially?

SPEAKER_00 4:07:29

You know, doing it this exact way um is relatively new. I think this is probably like six or seven years old, so it must have been when I was like twenty-two or twenty-three that I really like started do uh hitting on this aesthetic a lot. But I was drawing it started from a place of uh of drawing the skull thing over and over, just not exactly the same way. I used to draw um I don't know, I was like a like an angsty little kid, so I drew like creepier stuff a little bit, like uh the skull had like sharp teeth and crazy eyes, and I would do that sort of thing all the time. So I think it's sort of an evolution over time. Uh I realized I was like, oh man, you know, I really want to be putting like happy stuff out there, stuff that makes people smile. Uh so I kind of adapted something I was already doing for my purposes in that way. Did you read Mad Magazine or anything like that? Oh yeah, definitely. In fact, here I got uh I got mad about the 70s on my desk behind me because I was just reading through it and going through those guys and how they used to draw on the edges and in the par parallels.

SPEAKER_06 4:08:43

I love that shit.

SPEAKER_00 4:08:45

Man, it's super cool. I'm like uh I'm I'm learning more and more. I realized uh recently just how much I don't know about uh like old school comics and like the way things used to be done and stuff like that, and I've found a real uh like respect for their process and kind of the the path they walked before me, and like, oh wow, there's so much advice that I should be looking at of good good ways to do things and how I should be navigating the art world a little bit. Uh I don't know. I feel like I I just kind of jumped in head first. I never really had any idea what I was doing.

SPEAKER_04 4:09:17

Perfect way to do it, man. Also, Mad magazine reminded me of uh Cracked, which was another uh magazine like that that was from the 50s. It was from the 50s, late 50s.

SPEAKER_06 4:09:30

Okay, cracked was more of a twisted version of Mad, so they were a little zanier. Okay, great art, great pen and ink, uh, especially. Um, and again, it was usually it was in the model of um mad in the sense that you know they were usually mocking movies, television shows, characters, peoples, you know. But it was a little dirtier also cracked, right, Bubble Man?

SPEAKER_04 4:09:57

Uh, yeah, it was a little more um exactly. It was that Charles, Charles Schultz. He was one of the cracked guys. Yeah, not quite heavy metal. No, no, not quite heavy metal. Actually, a substantial closer to mad than heavy metal, but definitely still a good distance from mad.

SPEAKER_06 4:10:19

Yeah, I got twisted by uh did you get turned on to heavy metal or bee clibbing or anything like that?

SPEAKER_04 4:10:26

I did for sure. What about I used to go to like I'd go to comic book stores and I would go to record stores, and so that's where you had to go. There was like no database or online thing that you could look at. If you wanted to access that information, you had to go to like those two places. So I went to lots of comic stores, and when you go to comic stores, you get exposed to like all the things eventually that the comic book store has, uh, as is what you do with you know, back in my city in Winnipeg, back in the day, we had little listening rooms where you could just get pull any record, listen to it, hear a song, hear a portion of the song, and be like, Yeah, I like that. I'm gonna get this album. So just a different way to do it where you're kind of like maybe a little bit more focused. We're just so quick and efficient now. And I wonder what we lose in that. If anything, or if a lot. That's true. Well, that's what SSRIs are for, man. I'm joking, of course. First, not against anyone that finds themselves on them, but definitely like for the fact that I would never uh go on those. Those are uh not for me.

SPEAKER_02 4:11:46

Yeah, no, not for me either. No vaccines and no uh no uh yeah, serotonin regulators.

SPEAKER_04 4:11:55

I'm tripping boosted with uh 90 and 73 micron. Those are my boosts. There you go, me too. Yeah. Got a 90 uh 90 micron boost. Cheers to uh Mark uh Acme, Nepal, my manufacturer there. Mark Rose, big part of the water extraction history in the chat room there, about to go to bed. It's 2 a.m. in Kathmandu, Nepal, where he is as of now. Going to bed on the other side of the world. Scully vibe adds some fine tuning to the finishing. It's kind of cool, man. You can just add little colors.

SPEAKER_02 4:12:45

It's one skill I wish I had is drawing like this. I mean, it's it's like the coolest thing that I could never do that I just it it impresses impresses me to the highest tier.

SPEAKER_04 4:12:56

Yeah, because it's like the same way you can give a cannabis plant everything it needs to express itself in a way that totally inspires you. So too can the human do with music and with art. Um, if they can, you know, that's kind of the art of art, getting yourself to express your art. You know, which is like, and then, you know, obviously, not that it matters, but it's always nice to see how is it received? What do other people think about my art, this thing that I'm putting out, not necessarily for the approval or validation of other people. Maybe, maybe some are. I don't know. I don't know what your uh what your mission is with it, but I I would feel most artists are more humble and would say otherwise. But uh yeah, it's cool.

SPEAKER_05 4:13:48

Fucking cool.

SPEAKER_02 4:13:49

And and it's funny because hash brought me and Scully together. I mean, Scully is at every hash event in Denver, you know, there's a lot of different scenes here. And um, I actually met him at a hash event, so it comes full circle, right? I probably wouldn't have found his art without hash. Um, but because of hash, I've I meet all the right people.

SPEAKER_04 4:14:09

Interesting how that can operate like that. Possibly like hash is a flashlight in your life, Kyle. It is a guide, if you will.

SPEAKER_02 4:14:20

It has been for my entire life. You know, I I told you, you know, my story. I defied the odds of you know everyone betting against me and my family saying, you know, you're not why are you leaving school to go, you know, work in cannabis? Like, what are you doing? Right? It was my passion, it's what I wanted to do, and despite everyone telling me I shouldn't do it, I did it, and it was the best decision I ever made. It has been my flashlight.

SPEAKER_04 4:14:45

Sweet. The lighthouse, as James says. James, James is helping Bike. He's in the chat room right now. He's also working on the website for Hash Church, putting it together. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 4:15:04

It is a lighthouse, James, 100%. I mean, even Bike, man, the fact that he's working on your website just is so full circle, and the synchronicity is. I mean, you know, I'm a big believer in, you know, there's no such thing as coincidence, right? You get all these things that happen in synchronicity, and it's almost uh a manifestation that you're on you know the right path.

SPEAKER_04 4:15:26

Totally. Yeah, it's pretty crazy, man. It is pretty crazy. I um he just reached out to me. He was like, dude, I'm gonna, this is we want to be a part. I I assume it's his way of being a part of this, you know, and and it's kind of cool because he will be a big part of it by helping aggregate the data and making it searchable because we've had you can't fucking first of all imagine how many incredible conversations that have been had on this show over even just the last like five or six years, let alone like 10 to 12 years. Took a couple years off, so it's been a 10 years, but it's been over the course of the last 12 years. We did 10 years of episodes, and um it's there's high value. I mean, honestly, just from like Sam and Wade and a few others alone, uh you know, you could you could go in hopefully at one point. I don't know how well it'll be able to aggregate in the future with AI, but it would be cool if you could pull like like point blank all the points and all the gems that Skunkman Sam gave, that Wade gave, that different people, Horatio, over the years have come and given, particularly people that are uh passed on, um, to be able to still tell their story and represent them is uh in their own words, you know, not in some manipulated fucking way where you're like, you know, I've got some nefarious, you know, agenda to the way you're doing it, but just in the in the most honest way, here's how he said it on the show. Want people to have access to that.

SPEAKER_02 4:17:09

Well, and if there's anybody, there's nobody better than Bike for that, and I'll tell you why. Um, I've seen Bike build a lot of different things in the past year, um, from crazy web analytics. I mean, I went to his house and met with him, I want to say like maybe eight months ago, and we sat down and he showed me the back end of what he was working on. Um, and this guy is on another level as far as using AI. Um, I think that he's using Claude, which is the best, you know, and most expensive AI that there is. Um, but what what I'm saying basically is that the history of what you have um utilizing these tools with someone like Bike, um, he'll be able to download all the transcripts in you know very quickly. And if he doesn't know how, I can teach him using cowork and Claude. Um, and then take all those transcripts, have them audited basically, and pick out you know, the timestamps or the exact points in which very specific things are said by certain people. Um, so we're at a point now where this is all possible, and I you know, Bike is the dude to do it.

SPEAKER_04 4:18:06

Absolutely bonkers, such a generous offer, and we're just so stoked to uh to let it happen. I mean, oh my gosh. It's the easiest thing to say yes to ever.

SPEAKER_02 4:18:20

Yeah, James is like, we have them already. See, I I I already know what Bike is capable of, and I know how he works. So these guys are all stars.

SPEAKER_04 4:18:27

Yeah, Jesus Christ. Hey, well, excellent. Most excellent. I'm really loving watching the final touches on these uh these characters and this this this image. This fucking image is awesome, dude. In the mountains with the steeple in the background with the six stars, and fucking yeah, we're pretty close.

SPEAKER_00 4:18:52

There's definitely uh there's some details I still want to add, and I want to do uh like a cool gradient or something cool for the sky and maybe this background bit, but uh you got I yeah, you certainly I don't want to keep you uh any longer. It's uh it's been an awesome Easter Sunday. You take your time, dude. I'm happy to uh to finish this up uh and and post the full thing in like the next day or two.

SPEAKER_04 4:19:16

Well, what whatever you like, we don't mind hanging out and and chilling for a little bit longer if you want to keep going. And we also don't mind if you're like fuck dude, I'm hungry and I gotta go take a shit. We'll we'll we're down with that as well, you know. You just you just tell me your truth. Um, can we print these?

SPEAKER_00 4:19:36

Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll make a print of this one for sure. I'll make uh I've made it large enough that we can do some poster sizes of it and I'll make some uh some 16 by 20s before the next time I come over.

SPEAKER_04 4:19:46

Yeah, I'm sure some people in the congregation that watch Hash Church on the regular, this would be maybe possibly one of the first Hash Church type things uh that we've ever made available in the 12 years of having the show. So it would be cool to uh yeah, it would be cool to be able to have a place where they can buy those.

SPEAKER_02 4:20:06

Oh, signed by Scully, and you know, you saw you saw it live on Hash Church. Yeah, dude, that was awesome. So cool.

SPEAKER_04 4:20:15

Well, like it, like I said, we can hang out for another, you know, 10-20 minutes if you think, uh, or if you want to go and eat and be like, I'm I'd rather finish this in like half an hour.

SPEAKER_00 4:20:26

I'll be real honest with you. It's probably gonna take me another 45 minutes to an hour to like really do what I want to every little bit of it and make it look perfect. So let's uh let's call it there, and I won't hold you any longer. But I will post this and uh tag you in the next uh day or two once I got all the color on it so that we can see the final thing.

SPEAKER_04 4:20:46

Absolutely awesome, dude. Well, really, thank you for coming out and uh and fucking drawing for four hours and 15 minutes straight. That was awesome. Really appreciated that. I appreciated all you guys from Colorado coming in and uh Colin and Kay who have uh uh Colin and Kay who have since uh left. Shout out to those guys for coming in. It was great to uh have you on, Kyle, and helps uh help host the show with me today from the reserve. And of course, uh Jack and Stuart. Appreciate you guys, Nick, Portal Provisions. Really appreciate you guys for coming on and sharing and representing Colorado. And uh we'll do it again. I think uh I think in May I will be in uh at the reserve doing a live hash church. So we'll figure that out uh as it gets closer. Um, but uh yeah, Scully, thank you so much for coming and and drawing that that imagery. I'm uh I'm gonna get one of those from my wall too, man. That's super, that's just a cool little part of the history of church. I'll uh I'll definitely be in touch for one of those. And uh we'll get it into the description eventually of the show, uh, of where we can uh we can have those be made available.

SPEAKER_00 4:22:09

No, it's super cool. I really appreciate you having me here, and uh I'll definitely I'm excited to show you the finished products. So uh definitely we'll get you a print of one of these to get it on the wall and super stoked to be a part of the history, man. Hash church is super cool. I had a bunch of people that love hash that reached out to me and we're super stoked uh for us to all to be here. So thank you very much for having me on.

SPEAKER_04 4:22:32

Hell yeah, shout those people out.

SPEAKER_00 4:22:35

Uh man, you know, biggest people, uh the Soiku Bono crew. Uh Tim and Chris from Soiku hit me up and they were super stoked. Uh Tim was like, Man, I've been listening to Hash Church since uh I was in Taiwan, like uh before I even came to the United States. So uh man, uh was super happy uh to make them proud. And I don't know, super cool to be here and be making some art.

SPEAKER_04 4:22:59

That's the uh old school VPN hash church days. Yeah, for sure. Holy shit. All right, well, awesome. Good to uh have you guys all out here. Thank you so much for spending all this time on a Sunday, Easter Sunday. Holy shit. One of the most important church days of the year, right? Yeah, exactly. So go enjoy your uh families, your loved ones, or even just your hash. Either way, may the full mount bless your bull sooner than later. Appreciate everyone for watching. Shout out to Puffco, Bubble Bags, and the press club. And uh, we'll see you next time. Peace out, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 4:23:36

Thank you. Thank you, Mark Club, guys.