Hash Church Season 12 Episode 15 The Edibles Episode

join us for another great episode where we are once again joined by Vanessa Lovarato from Marigold Sweets, as well as Wendy from Space Gems. We are also joined by Bryon from Best Friend Farms, Caleb the highest Critic, Etienne Fontan and Collin Palmer . 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

Okay, everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Sunday morning, April the 12th, 9 a.m. PST. And you're here where you're supposed to be at Hash Church season 12. Oh gosh, what are we in? Episode 15 now, I believe. Episode 15. Yes, yes, exactly. All right, just checking out, making sure we're all good. Everyone's good. You can all see me. You can all hear me. Everything's good. I hope you're well. Thank you, Bingo. Always nice to have you in the chat holding things down. I don't tell Bingo how often uh or how much we appreciate him here on Hash Church, but good gosh, dude, we really do appreciate you a great deal. Um, just like we appreciate our sponsors. So without too much further ado, I'd like to shout them out as we do every week because well, they're awesome. So let us start with uh elevating our solventless game at Hash Church with the Press Club's premium lineup of rosin extraction essentials, proudly supporting the community through top-tier tools that make clean potent concentrates a breeze. From their legendary rosin bags with proprietary pink stitch, look for the pink stitch with the zero blowout guarantee for unbeatable durability and yields to award-winning wash bags, premium parchment paper, pre-press molds in the innovative press club rosin press for precise heat and pressure control. Whether you're crafting at home or scaling up their isoswab station and collection plates, keep your setup spotless and efficient, all crafted with 100% food grade dye-free nylon for contaminant-free results to preserve those precious volatile organic compounds. Join the press club and championing hash church by heading over to the pressclub.ca today and gear up for your next epic press. God, I appreciate those guys. Good dudes over there. Of course, you can elevate your session at Hash Church with Puffco's cutting edge lineup as well, starting with the innovative pivot, a pocket-sized dab pen that delivers the full rig experience on the go, featuring a quick release 3D chamber for premium flavor and real-time temperature control with four heat presets and haptic feedback. Pretty cool using the app. For epic group rips, you can dive into the Puffco Peak Pro, which is powered by Revolutionary 3D XL bowl technology. Uh, you get two times more vapor over the old bowl overheating from the sides to uh preserve and release those volatile organic compounds, and an XL joystick for fuller loads with less reclaim. And don't miss the new proxy, the modular portable powerhouse with four precision heat settings, fast 90-minute charging, boost mode for intensive hits, and easily disassembly for seamless cleaning. Really perfect for any adventure. You can uh see the adventures I go on with mine at uh on my YouTube channel here. And of course, you can support Puffco's game-changing innovations by heading on over to www.puffco.com, or you can follow at Puffco on Instagram today. Good folks over there. Well, bubble bags, we stand out as the premier choice for water hash extraction. And it's no surprise why we are the original innovators who set the standard for quality and performance, crafted with durability in mind. These bags are bags, the bags. They come with a lifetime warranty, ensuring you're covered for years of consistent use. The team behind Bubble Bag, that's me. Uh and Rachel takes pride in our pioneering legacy, backing every product with unwavering confidence and a commitment to excellence, making us a trusted go-to for enthusiasts and professionals alike, seeking top-tier hash extraction results. Well, you can check us out over at www.bubblebag.com and you can use the code hash church10 for a discount. But I will tell you the bags are massively discounted right now, over 50% off. So uh you're looking at more like a 60% uh discount on that. So got a couple people waiting in the room. I'm gonna let those folks in right away, and we will see how the day goes here. Let's see what we got. Let's see what we got. All right, well, punctuality is on point. You guys are punctual. I like to see it. I like to see it. How you doing, Wendy?

SPEAKER_02 4:25

I'm doing good. How are you, Mike?

SPEAKER_04 4:27

I'm doing pretty good, you know. It's another Sunday morning, it comes quick every week. You know, I end hash church, and then it's like, oh, gotta do hash church again. And then I blink and it's Thursday or Friday. And I'm like, holy shit, have I sent the email out? Have I created a thumbnail? Have I so good? It's going good, but it's definitely uh it's consistent. Let's just pause. Yes, very consistent. Nice to see both of you ladies in the room today. Nice to have a little bit of a balance, actually. I got a lot of dudes on this show a lot of the time. A lot of dude energy going on, and it's not because I don't invite the ladies. I used to have a lot of people, they would hit me up and they'd be like, Hey, what's going on? Why aren't there more uh women on Hash Church? I'm like, I don't know, I'm inviting so many. Finally, my friend Hillary Black from the BC Compassion Club, she pulled me aside. She said, Look, dude, 9 a.m. on a Sunday is pretty early. We're ladies, we don't roll out of bed like you guys do. We're sticking up. And uh, you know, she's like, There's prepare today.

SPEAKER_10 5:30

Yeah, there these guys roll out of bed, they take a dab, they put their hat on. I'm over here setting up lights and making sure, like, you know what I mean? Doing my washed my hair today. Like, I washed it, Marcus. This, these are clean roots. Okay, put on makeup. This is like the no makeup makeup.

SPEAKER_04 5:53

Right. I did not put the makeup on, but I will say today I did have a shower. I washed my hair, I got all clean. My wife, after 37 years, is uh she's really driving this uh shower and wash your hair every day thing, and I'm finally picking it up at 53 years old.

unknown 6:08

Good.

SPEAKER_04 6:10

Oh god, we're gross us dudes. There's mild grossness. Who you got there, Vanessa?

SPEAKER_10 6:16

This is Bon Bon. This is my little dog Bon Bon. She had knee surgery, and she's supposed to be like high as a kite, right? But um, I don't know, her tolerance is super high because she's on trazodone, she's on gabapantin or some other like pain nerve pain reliever. And she's like, let's play, let's play fetch.

SPEAKER_04 6:42

She does not look like she's high at all.

SPEAKER_10 6:45

At all. And I'm like, I don't want to up the dose too, like, I'm not a vet, you know. I'm not trying to guinea pig my dog, but I'm like, you're supposed to be like chill right now.

SPEAKER_04 6:57

You know, speak speaking of guinea pigging your dog, I had a little dog, great little dog. His name was Oreo. We had him for about 13 years. He was a little like uh Shih Tzu crossed with a toy poodle. So he was really small, but he was wild. In his mind, he was much bigger than he was. I used to pull up into my neighborhood off the highway, and as I pulled onto my street, I'd open the door and he'd jump out of my truck, and then he'd run next to my truck straight up a mountain for about three minutes, you know, running like 23, 24 kilometers an hour, whatever, 15 miles an hour. And uh Oreo ended up getting um he had a tumor in his bladder. So I mean, it was not hard to figure out. He was taking peas, and they were like the size of like a 25 cent piece, you know, it was like 20 drops or whatever. And I was like, This is not a loony? This is like not a loony, like a quarter. And uh, so I took him into the vet, and they were just like, he's got a tumor, it's taking up 95% of his bladder, like you know, he's he's done, palliative care kind of thing. So I came home and I was just like, I just wasn't ready to say goodbye to my little buddy. And he was looking at me with this hopeful, you know, and I was kind of like, God, I've been in the cannabis industry all my life. Everyone's like, Oh, you can do this with cannabis, you can do that with cannabis, oh, it'll shrink tumors. It's like, all right, let's put it to the test. And so I had some Rick Simpson oil. And uh, let me tell you, first of all, dosing a small dog with Rick Simpson oil is very, very difficult. Um, I was doing it out of love, definitely got him too high a couple of times, like, definitely got him too high a couple of times, felt absolutely sick about it. But after about two to three weeks, when he started pissing out his tumor, and he started like pissing out like full pisses, like he just like the tumor was like it was like he was eating a cheese grater. It was just grating this thing up, got rid of his tumor though. Hey, flowers, it was insane. Like my wife, even she wouldn't have believed it had she not seen it. She's like, That's insane! Like that, how can you even you know wrap your head around it? Gave him a bunch more life, you know, not a ton. Um, unfortunately, what ended up happening with him was a piece of it ended up getting stuck and it plugged him up. And uh, you know, we could have gone and done the surgery, but he was such an old dog. And you know, there is a point in time where you you have to put the dog's sort of feelings ahead of your of, you know, because we'll keep these dogs alive forever. They're they're like our best friends. They're like, dude, I'll do I'll I'll I'll do whatever I need to do to keep you alive, to the point where, you know, like my one buddy last year when I was in Manitoba, he has a larger dog and its back legs just stopped working. Well, he's been taking this thing out to go to the bathroom like four or five times a day, carrying like an 80-pound dog with legs that don't work. And I just, you know, I pulled him aside. I said, dude, like you gotta let your buddy go. Like it's time, you know.

SPEAKER_10 9:56

Better to do it before, you know, you want them to, you want those, like, I don't know how you want to die, but I don't want to be like dragging myself. You know, like I think there's there's empathy and kindness in euthanasia. It's a really hot topic right now. Um, but especially with pets, because they don't have they don't really have a choice, so you have to make that choice for them and make those decisions for them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:25

No, you're not, you're not wrong. It's uh I'm in the same boat. I definitely I've I've I've existed, you know, both my wife and I are such polar opposite people that everything we go through in life is also the polar opposite. So my dad was killed in a motorcycle accident in an instant, it would, it happened instantly and it was over and done. Her father had psychological problems, and he, you know, it took him years to pass away to the point where he was in the hospital bed at the end, at you know, in this in the psych ward with with this intensely super intense, just like mind condition, you know, like he literally with his mind just made the choice to have this long slow death. And so they're both terrible. I you know, like the shock of my father was like absolutely insane, and then the desensitization that my wife felt because it was it was just like so long, it just kept going and going and going, and you get you get desensitized to the experience, and then you're like, Oh, did it happen? Oh, did it happen? And you you have that so many times, and then it's kind of like when it happens, it's like you've griefed it already.

SPEAKER_10 11:41

You've already kind of experienced that grief.

SPEAKER_04 11:44

That's exactly it. You've you've you've experienced that grief maybe over the course of 10 or 15 plus years, whereas you know, experiencing all that grief in a moment is absolutely overwhelming. It knocked me off my feet, in fact, when my father passed away and I got the news. It it literally knocked me off my feet. I'd never really experienced news knocking me off my feet. Of course, I'm a human being and I've been triggered in my life, so I know what it's like to be triggered, but nothing. I mean, getting triggered and getting angry with your voice is one thing. Getting triggered and falling off your feet, uh, that's like a deeper level.

SPEAKER_10 12:19

It's physical, like a uh yeah, that's I'm so sorry. That's a heavy loss.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

Well, we all get to have them in in some shape or another, you know. It's uh we just have to kind of uh it's it's like it's it's it's really like you know, a terrible metaphor from a guy's perspective is like it's like getting punched in the face. And then it's not really so much the punch in the face, it's about how well do you get up after you've been punched in the face? And are you gonna spend the next six months complaining about the punch or talking about how your jaw hurts or how your eye never healed properly? Like there's so many ways to to go down the pathway of like I'm a I'm a I'm a victim, I got punched in the face. Or, you know, there's the other way, which is kind of like you know, all the lessons that if you go this way, you don't have to repeat the getting punched in the face thing over and over again. But uh it's not easy.

SPEAKER_10 13:19

No, death is never easy. Oh, it got so heavy. It's raining here right now, so it kind of fits the mood. Right?

SPEAKER_04 13:28

Sunday morning.

SPEAKER_10 13:29

Hey, it's church, it's church, it's where you talk. You gotta this is what it's about, right? And then communion in a way with this wonderful plant that I think kind of helps people cope. And I think Wendy can really speak to that and how edibles have helped people cope her space gems. Um they've just, you know, the messages she gets from people who are experiencing whatever, you know, life is hard. And so these space gems, and guess what, Marcus? She's using bubble hash and has been, and has it, you know, like she's not ever once even dibble dabbled in with distillant or any of the other, you know, computing.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

I mean, I'm hard to be like some of the ways of like bubble, you know, but definitely, I feel like, yeah, just that BHO era of like back in like 2009, no, 2010, you know. Um, yeah, I was just like, we all were smoking BHO. Yeah. And then definitely people were definitely talking about ice water hush.

SPEAKER_04 14:48

BHO spread like wildfire back then, pun intended. Uh people were definitely blowing up. I I was in the in the position. I I was in a unique position because you know, I started water extraction literally like 12 days later, Indra, my friend John Davis, who's been on Hash Church many times, he released the BHO method on euroid.org, Aeroid, however you want to pronounce it, ero-w-id.org. That's where BHO was first released. It was released by a character named Indra, which was, of course, John Davis. And he didn't really think too much about it. He was just like, he had been working with extraction for many years. He had been using BHO extraction on a on a more scientific level for companies like Roberto, which is like a perfumery company from France that's been involved in fragrance and flavors since the 1800s. Like this is an established company. And he'd been doing this butane extraction out of all sorts of different things for them. And they just couldn't wrap their head around it because it was so cold and it was so clean and it was so all the flavors were just like such an incredible expression of themselves. But eventually he did it with cannabis. And you know, back in the day, he used to just pack pen bodies, little metal pen bodies. He'd pack with a little herb, he'd just shoot a little bit of BHO through there, it would pop out the other end, he would, you know, let it dry, and then it would have there would be dabs. I'll never forget the first time I saw a gram of it, because John is friends with my friend Steve Dumach in Amsterdam, who everyone knows as the nose, the nose nose. And so this is a guy who's been flipping and involved in the hash trade for 40 plus years. He's an American that's expatted, lived in Amsterdam for the last, I'd say at least 35 years. And I met him, uh, I went up to his place near the train station one day. And I guess John had been there earlier that day and made some of this butane hash oil. And he gave me some, and this was in like '98 before the bubble bags. And I remember having a gram, and I remember it was the strongest thing I'd ever smoked. It was the only BHO I'd ever I would ever smoke because after that I didn't smoke it again. But I remember it was so strong at the end of my trip, I still had half a gram left, which was unbelievable for me. I could smoke grams and grams. I still had half a gram. And I remember stopping at Mila's pollinator shop and give gifting it to her and saying, you know, this is just like, I don't even know how I'm saying this, but this is uh, I can't, I can't finish this. And so I gave it to Mila. I found out years later it was John. So when John released this method on the internet, he didn't realize how much it would spread. And unfortunately, it spread in a in a few ways that he wasn't uh that he didn't perceive. And one of them, obviously, was younger people who who were processing without perceiving. And what I mean by that is like, for an instance, if you got a microscope and you looked inside the plug on your wall, you would see that it's constantly sparking. Like it's just there's like little sparks inside the plug in your wall. Well, that's enough to light up butane. So, but people didn't know that they didn't realize your your plug in the wall is sparking, and then when you blast 12 cans, well, we all we also didn't know that butane is a heavy gas, it's heavier than oxygen, so it sinks, it does something called pooling. And now the other thing that we didn't know was how hot it burns when it's ignited, it flash burns at this super high temperature. So obviously, people were having accidents where they were blowing up and you know, blowing up homes and burning down houses and all sorts of terrible shit. And because I was the water hash guy, you know, the people that had that experience, there was just a diet, there was just this division that was created very strong between water hash and bho. It was borderline vax and non-vaxx. It was real, it was serious strong.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

It was real, but I'm like appreciative of it because I felt like the trend was BHO then. It was, you know what I mean? And because it was access. Yeah, we've all made bubble hash before, but we're like, this is like more potent, this is you know, all these things, this is like the new thing, like in humble, you know, and it was easier to smoke, you know, because of the glass pieces and stuff, you know? But then once I feel like once Matt Ryan started posting, and once I did like um an event um down in Garberville, I mean, I just think that what people said to me just like really got to me. You know, the fact of like, how do you know this is a person? How do you know this? How do you know that this is not gonna harm you, you know? And then it's like I don't really know. It says it on the internet, but there's other things on the internet. Um is like posted and then actually tensures bubble hosh. I was like, wait, hold on, your bubble hash is like 70%, and my BHM right now is I think it was 65.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

You know, and I was like, whoa, I could use this to pay a little more, but I could actually go to sleep at night just knowing it's ice, water, and cannabis rather than these heavy metals that I'm trying to say that won't harm you, that we have no idea that will they they will harm you and all the exploding. Obviously, it also happened here in Humboldt pretty heavily, too.

SPEAKER_04 20:12

The exploding was a bad thing. Now keep in mind, John he's he's a pretty conscious individual. So what he learned eventually was now keep in mind his BHO unit was in Kansas. It fit like 2,000 kilos of material. All of his gas, which was three different gases, were in tanks in the field, and then they were metered in. So you have meters that the gas goes through that tells you how much gas went in, and then when you're done, you meter it back out. So you never lose your gas. It's all it's the way it's supposed to be done, not like in a bikini out on your with a can, like, oh, I saw this girl in a bikini once doing it. And I'm like, I'm looking in the background, her barbecue's there. There's plugs, open plugs on the wall, but she's out, she's outside. My good friend Brian blew out outside, Purdue. I know you're watching right now, buddy. He was out in the forest doing it, but he had a sweater on, and his sweater created a static charge. And when he moved the wrong way and rubbed his sweater, he he lit up. So I would get in touch. These people would get in touch with me after they blew up because they felt like, well, I was the natural other side of BHO. Whereas in reality, I would truly fight for access for anyone in any access that they want. I don't love BHO, but I would fight for the right for it to exist, and I would fight for the right to people to have access to it because I know that uh, you know, my ego of what I like and don't like doesn't represent the entire planet of people. So I can wrap my head around that. The other crazy thing was, you know, he's using like N butane and like extremely like gases that have already been cleaned, but then that he's also um, you know, running through a still and and basically getting anything. Out of this, out of this gas that's that's possibly there. So the ethylmercapitene was another big deal. The the the rotten egg smell, right? Butane's an odorless gas. They got to put it into the gas in order to move it around in cities. And he started telling me about ethylmercapitine. John. John reached out to me because no one was listening to him. They were like, oh fuck, shut up, you old man. You're just trying to ruin our party. And he's just like, holy fuck, I'm poisoning like thousands of people. Ethylmercapitine is accumulative in the body and it affects the central nervous system. And all you have to do is look up accumulative poison and central nervous system, and you'll learn about just how bad that is in the long run. And you think of you know how many people were smoking it. So I am so grateful that today we have people who have been making it for a long enough time, who understand uh the safety precautions and the proper SOPs, who work in a class one div one room that's explosion proof. All of those things to me are super essential for BHO. I'm super happy that uh that that all exists and that the majority of people these days that seem to be doing the process uh are doing it in in the right way. And it is popular. So, you know, who am I to uh sort of you know piss on that parade? That being said, um I've just been a solventless guy for the last like almost 30 years. So I love the idea that you're making um your edibles using using bubble hash. That is uh, you know, that's that's the way to go, in my opinion, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Yeah, I think it helps me better to like sleep at night. And I really like the like the delivery method of like bubble hash just in the body, too. I think um just the high. I mean, a lot of people say that you know, BHO is like uh the best, you know, for the terpenes and the flabonoids and everything, but I just like don't think so. I really do think it's bubble hash, you know. Um yeah, that's what you're capturing and putting into your body and how your body responds to it.

SPEAKER_04 24:01

Well, one thing we know for sure that bubble hash is pulling out polar, non-polar, and semipolar components, and solvents that are polar only pull out polar components, and solvents that are semi polar only pull. So the solvents, you know, are pulling out you know components that are related to their polarity, whereas the bubble and the dry sift methods are pulling out um everything, all of it. So, you know, the BHO guys are like, hey, we only want this, which is fine, no problem. And the bubble guys are more like, oh, we just want the full, like whatever the plant is there. Like to me, full melt dry sift and full male bubble um is the representation of the plant's expression of the medicinal components and recreational components, whatever kind of term you want to lay on them, the magic we could call it, you know, we could call it whatever we want, but it's all located in the trichome head, you know, like like it's very there's been oh well, we found these triterpenes in the roots, or we found these. I'm not saying there's not microscopic little things throughout the plant that could be beneficial, but when it comes to the smoking relationship and the consumption relationship that we have uh with edibles in particular, um, you know, this is the consumption of phytocannabinoids and volatile organic compounds. It's not the consumptions of the fats and the lipids and the other uh components that are found in the plant. We know I know that personally because years ago, I literally painstakingly took the plant apart microscopically with like tweezers, and I isolated all the different components, and then I took bong rips of each one of them. It was just a straight bioassay. Look at you with your little proxy core there.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

I know, look at you guys with your little proxy core. So I gotta go get some space jobs.

SPEAKER_04 25:53

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_10 25:54

I it's so good for travel, can I just say? Like just a little, just a little boop on the go. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 26:00

Well, you know what? It's I used to have this one for travel, but I gotta say, like this one I lose and misplace. And this one is the it's just the perfect thickness that when I put it in my pocket, it doesn't feel like a rock, but when I go to look for it, I have no problem finding it. I spent the day on the mountain with this thing yesterday on Black Home Mountain, puffing it, sharing it with a bunch of people. I and it hits it hits, dude. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

How many hits do you get per battery charge? A lot.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

I mean, honestly, a lot is right. I didn't charge it. I usually charge it 100% on the mountain. I had it on the mountain yesterday. It was at 41% when I finally went up the mountain. Uh, and it didn't run out. In fact, it didn't run out since yesterday, and I still have it going, but she's not wrong. There's definitely something to be said to have the little marble on the inside. Yeah, uh, it's got two little holes on the side here. You kind of can't see them on my camera very good, but they make for kind of a venturi effect when you sock it, creates a little little spiral, and uh yeah, it is uh can you guys see that?

SPEAKER_10 27:11

Do you see how they designed the top there? Yeah, and then they give you the pearl with it, okay? So they I they give you more than that. I don't know what I did with the other ones, and then this like whole that air, all of that air stuff is great. This extension, it gives you it doesn't burn your mouth.

SPEAKER_04 27:31

I've heard a lot of people say, Oh, it's hot on my mouth. It's like, okay, well, listen, first of all, there's different ways to hit different pipes. You can't hit this pipe like you want to reduce with your mouth and really kind of pull it in a slower fashion. Now, once it's hit one or two or three times, I find the first hit of this to be almost pure terpenes. I like to hit it when it's at like 250, climbing, and I'll just take a little hit and it's just like almost, it's just almost like pure, pure terpenes. And then I'll let it heat up a little bit and then I'll do these. I don't even know how to explain it, but almost like sucking on a milkshake with a smaller straw versus versus a big hole where you're like a great analogy.

SPEAKER_10 28:14

Do you know what I mean? Because it's a thick milkshake, not like a watery, like a thick, thick milkshake, like um, yeah. I don't know what that would be in Canada.

SPEAKER_04 28:25

Like a um I don't either, you know. Funny enough, like back in the day, I will say the city that I grew up with is very ice cream friendly. Uh, and the people are definitely representative of that. Cut the Midwest, you know. We got big people in Manitoba. We grow them big there. We got ice cream stores on on every corner, but I can't like think. I mean, when you said a thick milkshake, I pictured them at like the Dairy Queen.

SPEAKER_10 28:50

Yes, I was gonna say DQ.

SPEAKER_04 28:53

But that's the blizzard. But that's the blizzard, that's right. I don't think you could suck that up a straw.

SPEAKER_09 28:58

You gotta eat it with the spoon.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

That's right. You gotta eat it with the spoon, exactly. I think I'm gonna light myself up a little bowl here now that uh the cob started. I bumped into a friend on the mountain yesterday, and I hadn't seen him in in months, and he pulls out all these jars. He gave me, I'd say like 10 jars that look like this. There's like a sample of I guess it's about a gram in each jar.

SPEAKER_10 29:24

This one's you're so lucky. Just go around.

SPEAKER_04 29:27

I'm telling you, like, blessed, blessed be is blessed. Like I can't even believe it.

SPEAKER_10 29:35

That's how Wendy is, too. She kind of moves around, and people are like, Here, here you go. It's always fun to go with her to places.

SPEAKER_04 29:43

Is she is she the one that brought you the saucer gift?

SPEAKER_10 29:47

Oh my god, the giant jar.

SPEAKER_04 29:49

I should always eat one right now, right?

SPEAKER_10 29:53

Oh my gosh, let me get one one second.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Let me get my starting our Sunday. I gotta sign my taxes. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 30:03

If you're gonna do your taxes, you better freaking you better freaking do it on a saucer. Okay, wait, I gotta record it, Marcus.

SPEAKER_04 30:11

So that's not a small thing.

SPEAKER_10 30:13

This is a hundred milligrams. She's a genius. She's a genius.

SPEAKER_04 30:18

And so are those breaks like can you cut that in that way?

SPEAKER_10 30:21

You can. If you want to cut it into 10 milligram pieces, you can.

SPEAKER_04 30:25

10 or 20.

SPEAKER_10 30:27

Let's not do math right now, Marcus. Okay, we're gonna say 10.

SPEAKER_04 30:31

There's that's a hundred, right?

SPEAKER_10 30:32

Yes, yes, it's a hundred milligrams, yes.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

Okay, because it looked like there were five seconds.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

So it's like you gotta think about it. It's like 0.18 bubble hash in each one. You know what I mean? And it's like a nine gram gummy, it's like a really small gummy, yeah. You know, it's hard.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

I can't believe you're gonna gobble down.

SPEAKER_10 30:55

This is what I do, okay? Ready?

SPEAKER_04 30:57

I've watched this.

SPEAKER_10 30:59

You're gonna see it live. 100 milligrams down the hatch. Hash church.

SPEAKER_04 31:07

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_10 31:09

I'm on hash church.

SPEAKER_04 31:10

That's hardcore. Let me tell you, I took a 10 last night and I can still feel it today.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

Oh, yeah, I took a flying saucer on Friday because I don't usually take the coal ones. She looks so cute.

SPEAKER_04 31:25

Just eating 100 milligrams.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Yeah, and she can just like down it and like it and like five milligrams. I'm not doing any smoking, or I'm just trying to do edibles.

SPEAKER_04 31:39

So really, and what's uh what's behind that? You're just it's just a health thing, you're kind of like something you're trying, you don't want to smoke or vaporize. What are what's your mindset?

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Excuse me. I just my whole thing is like I started Space Jab, obviously with BHL, that was we just talked about, you know, dabbing all the time. And you know, I love dabbing, and I feel like that was a huge part of like just consumption. But I also felt like I was going overboard and becoming a little lazy and just like dabbing all the time, like I'm gonna dab to do payroll. Everything was like a task, you know what I mean? And then I'm like, I just can't, just like it's not there's no end to this, you know what I mean? It's not like one day I'm gonna be like, yes, payroll, or yes, like emails, you know. I was like, I gotta change this up. So me changing it up was like, all right, I'm gonna try this, and just like, and I've never been a person to just go straightly on edibles. And so I think people like ask if my dose goes up, if this or that, or whatever people come up with and say to me about edibles, I want to be able to like respond in a way. Actually, that doesn't happen. You're people think their dose goes up, like my dose really hasn't gone up that much, you know. Like I've like eaten 10 milligrams and been like super high staring into the abyss. I've eaten 100 milligrams and I actually puked, you know?

SPEAKER_10 33:10

Like you didn't eat a hundred, you didn't eat a hundred right now, did you?

SPEAKER_02 33:14

No, I only ate five.

SPEAKER_10 33:16

I eat those, those are my bedtime little sweet treat before I go to sleep, is I eat your the little mini gems before bed. I just like that 11 hydroxy lasts so long. For real. I find myself smoking less, which you know, I love to smoke. I love it. This, I don't know, it's like being a dragon or something, and also just like tasting, it's so nice to taste the different strains and then feel those those effects so quickly. Whereas edibles, you know, I won't really feel you'll get to see this because hash church is like real church in that it's it's it's it's long, you know. I was kind of surprised the first time. I was like, oh my goodness, oh my battery was not oh shoot, I gotta make sure my computer is plugged in. One second.

SPEAKER_11 34:06

Bye bye bye.

SPEAKER_04 34:07

My computer just eats eats 100 milligrams, suddenly has to start troubleshooting computers.

SPEAKER_10 34:14

That is literally you should see my setup. Oh yeah, I see what happened here. You should see my setup for my live streams, and I'm like cooking and and doing all of this, like kind of dangerous. Sorry, I'm away from my mic. Kind of dangerous stuff when I'm cooking live. And I'm I'll eat her gummies and just kind of go. It it calms my brain down. I don't know how to explain it. Like it just I can breathe, I get an appetite. I love that. I get excited to eat food. So after this, it's like I'll go and eat a bunch of food.

SPEAKER_04 34:50

And uh yeah, edibles are just when you when you get like I I hear people kind of say it all the time. They get like the munchies or whatever. I do as well, but I'd like to crave good food, and I suspect that's part of just my lifestyle or whatever. I remember when I was younger and my friends would get drunk, I never did that myself, but they all really liked it. And they would like, they would like, I want greasy, like they would crave nasty, shitty food.

SPEAKER_10 35:18

Yeah, because you want to soak up the alcohol, like you just feel so you remember if you learned about the Krebs cycle and what alcohol does to your body because you are dehydrated and so you can't properly perform the Krebs cycle. Anyway, this is some some high school shit, right? Um, but cannabis doesn't do that to you, right? Like you should one thing you should try to do is stay hydrated. Like when you're when you're eating edibles, is like remember to drink water just in general. We should stay hydrated.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Yeah, we should stay hydrated just in general for a lot.

SPEAKER_10 35:53

Yeah, it's like I'm not, you know, like we forget to drink water, but and and also when you're drinking alcohol, like if you do, you want to stay hydrated. But like the food, it serves a different purpose with cannabis. It like opens up your senses, right? So when you go to eat food, everything just tastes so much better. Like when I was in Thailand, that's what they said. Hey, our ancestors would put cannabis in food because it would make it taste better, it would make you want to eat more. So that's like it going like weed in food makes sense to me, it should to everybody, yeah. But uh there's like a there's an art to it, and then Wendy has found a way to take such a pure uh concentrate extraction of the plant and make that delicious in a potent, very small package, which if you're a cancer patient or you're a diabetic or you have any other kind of medical condition, you might not want to be eating a bunch of edibles to get that hundred milligram dose. Unfortunately, the government doesn't really recognize that people have different tolerances. Um, I mean, they do. There's the medical program, but it's not worth it for manufacturers.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

It's not worth it for manufacturers, right, right, Wendy, because it's like additional, it's it's not it's not additional steps at this moment for the state of California. There's different rules with it. Um that like it couldn't be a gummy, it had to be like a tincture or something else. You know, it could be in rosin, but yeah, not yeah. I know. We should really I know like someone said it to me the other day. They're like, you know, I'm not, I'm just doing this edible thing and not smoking because my lungs, because I'm like 50 years old and I'm working out. And like I'm excuse me, I'm having issues like running, you know? And he's like, Yeah, this guy, my actually my hash maker, Jacob from Have Hash was he's like, he patched me a joint, and he's like, Nope, I'm just doing edibles. And he's like, Well, you can't run off the like the sugar, the sugar is bad for you. You can't just do edibles. He's like, dude, I can run off the sugar, it's organic sugar, but I can't get the stuff out of my lungs, like the tar and all that stuff, you know. I think that's very interesting.

SPEAKER_04 38:21

Yeah, it's for sure. You know, I I'm I'm a unique case because I stopped smoking about 30 years ago. I I I was I my poor wife was living in a cloud.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

I was smoking like were you smoking cigarettes or no?

SPEAKER_04 38:34

I was smoking like 40 to 50 grams of joints a day.

SPEAKER_10 38:38

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

So it was, you know, it was like five, 10, 10, 5 gram joints or whatever. Like they were just big and they were always, you know, when you're burning big joints too, you're not exactly like smoking the whole thing, it's in your hand and it's just burning sort of Rasta style. You're walking around. She didn't smoke at all, still does on your Rastafari. So when I started making bubble and it was like melty, you know, really, I didn't even realize it, but that's when I started vaporizing. You know, I was hitting it on a screen, wafting the flame over it, I'd get it to boil and hit these beautiful, flavorful hits. Eventually, that would turn into dabbing and and vaporizing. So for 30 years, 28 plus years, I didn't smoke at all. Now I will say this during that time that I was smoking like that, I didn't do anything else. And I'm really quite a purist when I think about it. So I wasn't doing anything else, but I will tell you that I always had something in my throat. I was always like, it wasn't it wasn't colorful. I wasn't hawking up black or green or gray stuff, but it was always just something there. The minute I stopped smoking and stopped vaporizing and chronically vaporizing, I haven't had that come back ever. My lungs are super powerful. I have no like problem with stamina in regards to lung power. Um, definitely beyond my my age. Now, I just started smoking joints again. I'm not gonna get to the point where I'm smoking, you know, 50 grams a day, but I I'll smoke like one here, one there. And I've got to the point where it's quite enjoyable. It's not, I don't feel like it's affecting my throat in a negative way. Uh, it's not hot and burning or any of that stuff. Plus, I'm a lot smarter, you know. When you're when you go back and you think like I mean, here's a perfect example. For the longest time, that when the legal market happened in Canada, they started saying, Oh, you have to be so careful because the black market cannabis is dangerous. And then people are talking about, dude, we've been smoking black market cannabis for like 50 years, like it's not dangerous. Well, then they started testing, they started throwing contests in Canada that were both legal and black market people, but the contests themselves would test. And so we had a contest here just the other day called Heady Happenings, and six of like 28 people failed for mycobutanol spraying on the plant. And these are these are gray market brands spraying fucking poison on the plant. You gotta think like smoking that is really not an ideal situation. It's one thing if you're smoking your organic flour grown in your backyard, it's quite another to smoke something that someone has that has sprayed something that wasn't designed to a be burned and then b be inhaled into your lungs, you know. A lot of these things are tested for food, and so they're tested for like how they react in your stomach, not how they react when they're burned with fire and inhaled as a vapor into your lungs. So it just changes it up a little bit. It's um I mean you you guys in the in the edible world, you know, to me the edible world is is uh I mean it's it's a very unique world. It is recreational, but more importantly, it's also medicinal. And then even more importantly than recreational and medicinal, it's preventative. It's preventative for the people who don't realize that they're heading towards this medicinal pathway. Well, why wait? And you know, it took me a long time to kind of be like, why are we telling people with stage four cancer to take doses of cannabinoids? But people who are healthy, we don't have any interest in being like, hey, this is a preventative, you can just consume this. I tell all the old people I know, in the least, get some gummies that you can eat at nighttime if you're afraid, because of course, prohibition is strong and deep, and the the force of prohibition still exists in the elderly and they're afraid to be high, which is such a crazy thing. Imagine how much money you have to spend to get people to be afraid to be high.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

It's the most like it's like so true. I like people, the things that people say to me all the time, like they are so afraid, but they don't mind taking a drink. Terrifying. You know what I mean? And like, just like, how is that not like you're getting drunk?

SPEAKER_04 42:58

It's a crime against humanity, Wendy. And I'll give you a perfect example. My uncle, my uncle got cancer, a very bad cancer. My cousins were like, Can you send him out your magical oil? So I get in touch with Horatio Delbert, who was um a good friend of ours and a hash church alumni. He was the guy using deliminine to extract resin from cannabis. So he was you he was the one that figured out early on that that terpenes are hydrocarbons, just like butane and propane, and you can extract cannabinoids and volatile organic compounds using said terpenes. So he was the delimonine guy. He made 60 grams of the most beautiful deliminine oil. I sent it to my uncle. My uncle, you know, my uncle's a good old boy, kick shitter, shit kicker, like uh work for the cigarette company, you know, Wilson Morris or whatever, uh Phillips Morris, uh, you know, drinker, beer drinker, steak eater, just a good old boy kind of thing. Great guy, terrified of getting high. So terrified, in fact, that when I sent it to And you keep in mind too with cannabis, we're always uh you know behind the BFI can, metaphorically, smoking out behind the store. We never get to tell our loved ones until they're fucking dying of stage four cancer. That's when, that's when we get to give it to them, which is like, holy shit, talk about like the last minute of the last hour of the last, you know, everything. And so he gets this. And at that point, when you're stage four and you're that sick and you've got cancer ravishing your body, do you think five milligrams a night is gonna help? Like, obviously, probably not. Like, these are these are getting into larger doses, and so he was afraid and he sent me the oil back. Um, I took that oil and sent it to my old partner, Martin, from Manitoba Harvest, the hemp company. His uh mother-in-law, Elsie, had metastatic bone, brain, and liver cancer. It was like a death sense, total death sense. She's got like eight grandkids, you know, she's got a great grand, like she's got the most amazing, beautiful family. My partner Martin and his wife Tara had eight beautiful children. Uh, Gaia, their first, now has his own. They're just an unbelievable family. Elsie gets sick. I send the oil to Elsie. Elsie's also afraid to get high. In fact, I was surprised because they're quite staunch and Christian, and I wasn't quite sure she was going to eat it. She took a gram the first day, had a was in a coma for 36 hours. Uh, she wakes up out of the coma, she takes another gram. She does it every day for 60 days. She eats a gram of cannabinoids every single day, puts all of her cancer into remission. She's still alive today, eight years later. My uncle died seven months later. So my uncle died because prohibition made him afraid to get high. And and here it was his fear. He was fear, he was fearful that he was lose lose his faculties. He was fearful that he would be embarrass himself and say things that he didn't want to. And in the end, he literally, he literally became that. He had full-blown psychosis. He was screaming horrible, terrible things. You know, he he got he got into a psychotic state of mind where he was just right at the end of his life. And his biggest fear from not taking the cannabis ended up happening, you know, on Dilated and all the other drugs they they give to you. So it truly is a crime against humanity to convince people that this isn't an option. I never tell people, oh, you shouldn't take chemo therapy. Like, I'm not a doctor. I don't tell people that they shouldn't do anything. What I do tell people is that it's it's something you should definitely look at and do some research on. And it seems to me like maybe a better idea, at least initially, than say removing parts of your body or or poisoning yourself with chemotherapy. These are extreme, extreme. I'm not saying don't do it. Oh my god. Wow, those are extreme.

SPEAKER_10 46:53

I just stay away from medical advice in general, especially in regards to cancer, because you know, like if you watch that, uh there's a show, I don't know if it's Netflix that has it, apple cider vinegar.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

Yeah, I thought you were gonna say that.

SPEAKER_10 47:07

Yeah, because it's such a you know, like with chemotherapy, like you said, it was like a really high amount of cannabinoids that that your mom was eating. And we just need more research. We need more of the medical community that's willing to find a way to work with the science that we do have, like with breast cancer. You know, I have a friend who refused to get any kind of treatment. She was trying to cure it with like ayahuasca and like eating healthy and all of these other alternatives, like the apple cider vinegar, and she died. That's what happened. So, and she at the end, she was crying and wanted the chemo, and she wanted the tumor removed. So you get to a like, I think there's a real like you like you said, Marcus, it's like we're not medical professionals. And so I always just like stay kind of and with cannabis, if you look at what cannabinoids do in your body, it's like reducing inflammation. So if you're taking high amounts of cannabinoids and then you're also taking chemotherapy, where the whole point of it is to attack pretty much everything, it's it's really attacking everything in your body because and this is like an oversimplification of it, but this is it that's where it becomes complicated to be like, hey, take a lot of cannabis and do it, or maybe that's a good thing because it'll help with your appetite. Like, there's just so many variables with the human body, and each one of us like there's a guy on on Instagram and he takes a bunch of gummies and he he lost his stomach to cancer, and he's going through chemotherapy, and the edibles help him and his appetite, you know? And so, like, that is it's like with pregnancy with women in pregnancy. I get those mess. Do you get those messages, Wendy? It's like, hey, I'm pregnant, I don't know. Can I keep eating cannabis or not? And I'm like, oh, I I wish I could give advice on that, but I am that is so out of my realm of what I can give advice on. And it's and unfortunately, with women, because we can get pregnant, they don't do medical studies on us because they're you know, all of the medical studies are really geared toward men because testing on women it it becomes more complicated because of our ability to have children, so it's a real problem within the medical community. Um anyway, sorry, that was a little bit of a No, I I liked it.

SPEAKER_04 49:37

Like, you know, I I I I I was the same way up until um I got invited to speak at a at a at a Rethink Breast Cancer conference. Yeah, it was thrown by my good friend Alison Gordon and her friend MJ Dakota, and they started Rethink Breast Cancer here in Canada maybe 15 years ago or more uh or a little bit less. Anyway, what they were doing was they kind they could they kind of were discovering about 15 years ago that breast cancer was kind of this like older woman's uh disease, and that older women weren't the only ones getting it anymore. And so all of the knowledge and the information and the and the education was all for women in perimenopause and at the end at the end of their cycle. And these younger women who were in their 20s and 30s, that were just graduating, that were just having their families for the first time, that were just starting careers for the first time, they were getting breast cancer. And the information that they were being given wasn't relatable to them. And so MJ and Allison was like, okay, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna start like a fresh new conversation on breast cancer. So they invited me. I was the only random dude. It was all women, the whole audience was full of women with breast cancer. Like they all had the little rags covering their head because their hair had fallen out. It was very hard to be on that stage and look out at all of these women, and they were all looking for one thing. They were looking for hope. That's what everyone that was there was looking for. And we're on the stage, and the doctors are pretty much saying what Vanessa's saying. They're like, Look, we can't, you know, we gotta, we gotta. And I'm looking at these women, and they're just like, because the woman got up and she asked us, she said, Is it possible that THC can kill cancer? And uh, there was not a doctor that would reply yes. And they know, and I know why, and they know why, because that puts their license at risk. Now I have no license, so I grabbed the microphone and said, Listen, I'm not a doctor, clearly, I don't have the education that any of these people have, but I can give you the hope that you're looking for. And I gave them Christina Sanchez's name, Dr. Christina Sanchez from the University of Madrid, who studied apoptosis and cannabis. And she was the one that showed THC can produce apoptosis in cancerous cells with Andre Guzman at the University of Madrid. And that was like all I wanted was a little hope. And so I just you know, I'm like, here's a little hope. Now I met a woman named Judith at the end of that event, and she was she had her big, huge firefighter husband, and she was a tiny, tiny little hundred-pound thing, and she was just so delicate and she was young and she was you know dying of breast cancer. And I was just like, She's like, Where can I get some of the like stuff that you were talking about? I was like, you know what? Come out to my car, I'll give you everything I have. And I just opened up my trunk and I just gave her my stash, and I don't remember if I kept sending her stuff for a while, but Alison pulled me aside. She said, Mark, like, I get it, you're you're hopeful, but you don't understand. These women are all dying, like they die, they all die, Mark. You know, she sees so many of them die, and she's sensitive to it, and she's she doesn't really realize she's kind of like hope crushing me right now. And I'm like, I won't accept your hope crush. I'm gonna hope to these women anyway. It's been 10 or 15 years, and Judith is still alive. She put her breast cancer into full remission using cannabis, so it doesn't mean that you can do it, that everyone can do it, yeah, but it's a tool in your um in your quiver, if you will, of your medical quiver, and all of these things are tools in your quiver. You know, you should be able to, you know, look into them as you will and and do them like for me. I tell people use cannabis as a preventative so you don't have to get to a point where you maybe have like a stage four disease of some sort, uh, and you get into the situation here in Canada. The group Health Canada that says cannabis is a medicine also makes a statement that says we don't believe cannabis is a medicine. We force their hand by proving in court that it's a medicine. So that's how we got federal legalization here in Canada. But on the side, Health Canada, which is basically like our FDA, says, Well, we don't really believe that cannabis has any medical attributes. So we're still fighting a stubbornness that is it's you know what? I wish Dr. David Allen was on the show right now because he was a he's a retired cardiac thoracic surgeon. And what he says about cannabis is even next level. He's talking about it like it's an essential nutrient for the body, he's talking about it like it's an antibiotic. He's talking about a heart doctor, a heart surgeon.

SPEAKER_10 54:22

He's that is so wild because if you look at UCSF and their medical studies that come out, it's always, and like I've listened I'm always I'm skeptical when I see these things coming from UCSF. It's always about how cannabis is detrimental to your heart. And I I've I've been like weird, like, you know, you look at how they do the study, I I'm not, you know, experienced enough to know is that a large enough uh sample population to really say that it does have a detrimental detrimental impact to your heart. Um I I you know my my heart, it's like you can't be like, my heart is great, so and I smoke a lot of weed, so there's no problem there. So I'd really love to hear how he would explain those studies and like what how to do a better study in the future to kind of counter it, you know. That's my my whole point is my whole everything is more research, more data, more, more, more. We have lived, we have lived in like a silo of of not being only Mississippi is the only place that you can get cannabis from to do testing for in in the United States if you're a lab, right? So that's a very like I you know I don't know what the weed is like in Minnessi Mississippi, but just to like explain why legalization or in the United States were trying to um reschedule. He was you, I won't say his name, but he was talking about rescheduling to schedule three, still waiting to see what's happening with that. I've been listening to uh uh Representative uh AOC talk about, you know, how can we say that there's no medical benefit to cannabis?

SPEAKER_04 56:18

It's absolutely well and that and the perfect example is what you asked. Like, how can the they come out and say all this about well, they have patents. The US government has patents on show.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Oh, they have patents, yeah. How beneficial.

SPEAKER_04 56:30

So we go over these patents. I have a show with Dr. Allen called the Cannabis Journal Club. In volume 11, we went over cannabis for open heart surgery and how it reduces an ischemic infarcation, which is like when you get heart surgery and they put a shunt in your heart, there's all sorts of shit that happens from that. And so the shit that happens from that, which is like neurodegenerative diseases, all sorts of crazy shit that can happen from that. And and and having just taken cannabis prior to the surgery can reduce this by about 66%. They have a patent US government has the patent that shows pictures of the heart, whereas the heart is like basically turning into like all this scar tissue. Had they taken cannabis prior to it, it's like 70% less scar tissue. And you have to understand the scar tissue is dead tissue. That's what that is. That means a big chunk of your heart has died. So if you guys if you guys want to check it out, the show is called Cannabis Journal Clubs. It for short, it's CJC. And we have about 12 or 13 volumes that I did with Dr. Allen. And uh listen, he funny enough that you mentioned Mississippi because that's where he lives. The DEA came after this guy hard. Like they tried to put him in jail for well, they did put him in jail for a while. They tried to put him in jail for life, they took his property, he had to come back and he lost his family and his sons and his like he really like went through it, this guy, all because he was a doctor who was willing to say the things the doctors aren't willing to say, and not only was he willing to say it, he was actually willing to scream it from a mountaintop. And he's super fucking brilliant. Like he tells stories of saving uh an 18-year-old kid's life who was shot and he was holding his heart in his hands, massaging this kid's heart, bringing it back to life. It's like you can't understand the level of intensity. You want to talk about accountability? Cut someone's chest open and put their heart in your hands and pump it. Oh my god, yeah. Manually pumping, manually pumping it with his hands. I'm just like, oh my god, Dr. Allen, like you are a hero, dude. Holy shit. Really saving lives.

SPEAKER_10 58:48

I've always had really low blinds.

SPEAKER_02 58:54

Yeah, sure. I feel like a lot of like patients don't even talk about their cannabis use either because they're afraid to, you know, like definitely there's tons of studies. I feel like not just like tons of studies, but I have tons of people that come to me and tell me what's going on with them and you know, helping them over the years, you know, haven't had like crazy stor, you know, absolutely crazy stories. It's quality of life. Like, you know, that's like the whole point of it is like quality of life, you know? And um, especially in their last years or whatever they're gonna have. And they're like, yeah, we don't even talk about it with the doctor. Like, we can't, like, when once we brought it up, it just like went totally sideways, you know, and they want me to take this other medication or this other stuff just to make me sick, but this like stuff helps me eat, helps me be able to get my body back, you know.

SPEAKER_04 59:39

Yeah, well, there's a there's a level of shame that will be associated with it for a very long time to come because of that energy that was put into it, that sort of like, oh, oh, I see, you're a degenerate. I get it, you're a bum. That's what you are. You're a degenerate.

SPEAKER_10 59:57

You're a lazy, you're a lazy stunner. I make for years, four years, I have told, ever since I got a medical card under Prop 215, I have told my doctor I'm at Kaiser, which is like it's basically the United States trying to do somewhat socialized health care, but not really. Um, I would tell them, they'd be like, Are you taking any other medications? I'd be like, Yes, I use cannabis. And they're like, How often do you use it? You know, and I just would be I would be honest with them and tell them. And I I did it intentionally because if they were gonna give me anything, and there might be an adverse effect because of cannabis, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

No, that's a true point. Yeah, like they need they need to know.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:45

They need to know, you need to be able to tell them. But here's a perfect example you go into the veterans' hospital, you tell them that you use cannabis often, they put you into the addiction section, and now a whole host of drugs that used to be available to you are no longer available to you because you acknowledge that you use cannabis and they put you over here when you were over here. And this is something I only just learned about recently. But this is kind of the big deal when it comes to the schedule three. You know, people fucking hate this president so much that they're willing to fight anything reasonable that he wants to do, which is like schedule three is more than reasonable. I get it's not ideal, but you have to understand what you guys are talking about right now, people afraid to tell their doctors. That goes out the window because once cannabis is acknowledged to have medicinal effects, when you acknowledge that you take it, you don't lose any of your rights with your doctor because it is now schedule three. I saw so many people fighting the fact that it was going to be schedule, fuck it, schedule three, it should be legal or nothing. It's like, well, there are people still suffering because it's not schedule three, just because you aren't, there's still people who are, and they're actually, unfortunately, a fairly vulnerable section of our population. So aren't we supposed to protect the most vulnerable components of our population? Like, I think we are.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:07

I'm all for it. I hope that he does it. I, you know, like I was for it when Biden proposed it. Like, it's great, let's go, let's move it. I wish it was treated like alcohol and tobacco. I think that makes sense. But that's not if I'm being honest with myself and where our country, where our country is at, that is not what our country wants. But I think that our country can admit that cannabis has medicinal benefits. And that is what is that's what's bipartisan about it. If if you know, if we're being frank. And I think that's why it's being put forward and being uh, you know, it's it's going through uh the government, governmental channels that it has to go through right now, and hopefully it's being expedited and pushed forward because it creates so many jobs as well, not just helping people medically, it also helps with our economy, which it creates a local, we can really grow cannabis in in the United States. You know, we'd love to be working within the states, between the states, so we're not just kind of isolated in California. It's like, would there be opportunities for us to have interstate uh commerce, which would be awesome? So, you know, we have to move this forward in any way possible. And I think medically is the the way that most people they look at it. And if you really do look at the plant, it's always medicinal.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:34

So yeah, well, that's it. Even when it's not, it is. You know, there's a patent, 6630507, which basically proves CBD decreases stroke by up to 50 percent. This is another patent that's owned by the US government. It's a US government patent that literally is them saying, here's the thing about a patent you can't lie on a patent. Okay. So when you get a patent, you can pretty much know that that is going to be the truth. You can't lie on a patent, you can't like make up a bunch of bullshit and then patent it. It has to have like some sort of footing where it can stand on its own weight, it has to be tested. And so US patent number 6630507, titled Cannabinoids as Antioxidants and Neuroprotectants, was granted to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services in 2003. Okay.

unknown 1:04:29

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:29

So that long ago. This patent highlights antioxidant properties. So cannabinoids have been identified as having antioxidant properties independent of MN DA receptor antagonism, making them potentially useful in treating a variety of oxidization-associated diseases. Those would be like the neuroprotective applications. The patent specifically notes the potential on cannabinoids in limiting neurological damage post-ischemic events, which is what I mentioned earlier in the other one, like a stroke, treating neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and HIV dementia, non-psychoactive cannabinoids. It emphasizes the use of non-psychoactive cannabinoids like CBD, but also THC. So these patents exist. Yeah, well, it's it it it it mentions it actually as THC.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:27

Okay, okay. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I was like excited there for a second. Please cut me off. Yeah, okay, that's crazy. Yeah, I feel like I've read that before. Oh my god, that's so wild to like reread it and to know that I didn't know that about patents either. Whatever is on there is like proof. You cannot lie on a patent. Thank you for saying that too.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:47

Yeah, yeah. It's like they they it's why when you apply for a patent, it goes through this scrutiny, right? It's just like when you write a scientific paper, you can't just make a claim. People have to refute your claim and you have to prove. Yourself. That's why you know there's a difference between feelings and science. They're totally different things. We can feel a certain way and want it to be so, but it's not that that's not what makes things.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:13

That's not proof.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:14

That is not proof. That's not proof.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

Yeah, or even like people's experiences.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:19

Which brings us full circle back to edibles. And one question that was brought up to me by someone who will also not be named that was decarboxylation of hash in a fat. And I lab tested whether you can do that with flour. And then Wendy brought me some hash from down from Humboldt, which was really nice. And so I lab tested that as well, looking at the decarboxylation rate over three hours in different oils. I did olive oil and MCT oil. And as I suspected, it just takes a really long time to decarboxylate hash once it's in a fat. I hi Colin. I don't know. I don't know if that's like the reasoning behind that. That is just what my data has, the lab tests have shown me when I when I put it in the oven, get the oil to 245, same temperature, I would decarboxylate. Everyone decarboxylates in the oven. And I put cold water hash into an oil, dissolve it, stirring it, and stirring it throughout the process. It takes a really long time, a lot longer than if I were to decarboxylate it separately. Like, you know, Wendy, you can, I don't know if you want to talk about your process, but like you know, these are things that we test, and um I'm always testing because I otherwise it's like this feels stronger. No, this definitely works. It and it's like, yes, you'll decarb a good amount of it, but if you're trying to decarboxylate all of it, like it it upwards of three hours. And I'm like, I'm not doing that. It also kind of when you heat oil even at that lower temperature for that amount of time, it gets funky, you know? Like it just it gets.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:13

Yeah, I was gonna ask the smell.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:15

It gets a smell to it and denatures the the fat in my case. So anyway, just throw just throwing that out there.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:23

I'm posting those lab results to my club, and uh I so just to be clear, you're you're talking about the oil as a buffer, like decarbing in oil versus just decarbing the product not in an oil, much quicker, much more effective.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:39

And then putting it in the oil after it's decarboxylated, right? If you take hash and you most people just put it in the oven, or I've tested Sous V, you can put it uh in a vacuum-sealed bag and put it into water and do it very low. I've even don't hate, don't hate Marcus, but sometimes people only have microwaves. So I also lab tested can you do it in the microwave? And yes, it's like possible. There's a is it good for the terpenes?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:07

You know, don't feel bad about using a microwave. Colin makes his terpenes using a microwave.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:11

Yeah, it's just it's a heating, it's it's a heating, it's a heating tool.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:15

At one point I have at one point I did. You're you're not wrong, brother. It's a heating tool, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:22

But listen, there's assumptions that are made. Look, when rosin came out and we were pressing at 200 degrees Fahrenheit, literally every BHO guy was like laughing. They were like, oh my god, they're just destroying everything. And it's like there's no it all tastes like burnt popcorn. I've still yet to taste burnt popcorn, Rosin. Like, my rosin taste heavenly and wonderful and delicious, but you know, these are the assumptions that we make. I think sometimes science turns to bro science, and it's just not it's not an accurate, you know, sort of level of science. So we gotta we gotta be careful with that. Welcome, by the way, Colin. Thanks for uh showing up. How was uh Ava's uh lacrosse game? Did she win?

SPEAKER_08 1:10:03

Yes, it was insane. So uh good for her. It's crazy how when you uh you have you have a child who goes through life stages and you're like you get sucked into this stuff, and you're like, oh, this is crazy. Like how old is she now? She's nine.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:19

So you're a nine-year-old lacrosse.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:22

Dude, it's nuts. Yes, it's wild. So good, you know, it's cool. It's it's amazing to see young people develop, and I love yeah, I love her energy, so it's cool. Yeah, yeah, dude. Well, good for her.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:35

Glad she glad she won. I was hoping.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:37

Yeah. Um, so one thing I I want to say is like I've noticed that too over the years, and I've always wondered why, and I've always looked into it. And um it has something to do with CO2 um and how that reacts and how that escapes.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:51

That's what I thought too. It's like the oil kind of creates like a buffer in it, like it keeps, I don't even let it release it, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:01

Yeah, it it regulates the CO2 um in how uh that CO2 um as it's being produced, how that that yeah is is released. So um yeah, it's slower equals the longer set point, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:11:16

So uh that's that's all I was saying. It's not that you know people can there are so many different ways to decarboxylate and infuse, and there's not one right way, you know. I think that's kind of this myth that's put out there is like you have to hit this certain temperature for this certain amount of time, otherwise it'll never work and you've wasted your your your weed, you know. And it's like, no, if you kind of just you could let it sit out at room temperature for long enough and you'll like it'll slowly start to decarboxylate, it'll take forever, but it'll degrade too, especially if you expose it to light.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:58

Decarboxylate into CBN, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:03

It takes a long time though, it does really long time. Yeah, you know, we make our own CBN, so with bubble hash, so yeah, just that whole game of it like cooking it to the certain time, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:18

Everyone thinks it's gonna go there, so you know, and imagine more surface area and an open vac chamber, maybe it could shorten times and help with stuff like that, and just thinking my my process mind happens and things like that when I hear you know takes X amount of time, but it's just not um to your point, it's not feasible at scale, right? So we have to decarb the oil or the the input material or whatever you're using and then blend those back together. So it doesn't have that rancid kind of vibe, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:51

So yeah, they're using bubble there. She Wendy's using bubble hash to to do her her edibles. So I'd love to hear a little bit about that, like how you went from oil to bubble hash and kind of the differences in regards to the SOPs that you had to follow, you know, because it's they're they're definitely different products, and then really ideally, I'd love to hear about the different effects that you felt. Like, are you taking bubble hash and turning it into rosin? Are you taking bubble hash and soaking it in, you know, without giving away your SOPs or anything that you are no, I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:23

Are you gonna say soaking it in ethanol? Were you about to say that? No, is that what you're okay? Cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:31

I was gonna say soaking it in a plant fat or something, but not at midnight.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:35

Okay, cool. My vibes. That's my vibes totally. I know. Oh my god. I guess I'm hyped up about it. That's what my research has been this weekend, so I should just shut up. But uh yeah, I started Space Jam in 2013. You know, um, I started because I was like a huge dabber, you know? Like I love dabbing, I love getting like bubble hash when I first started a first like um flag of bubble hash. Like I feel like I was like talking to a wall. I got so high. You know what I mean? Like, I like totally remember that. Um so I feel like before SpaceTime, I was like a grower and like just growing, I was on the forums and stuff, like THC farmer and stuff like that, uh, and just learning about all the different ways. And I think once I saw edibles, I was like, whoa, I could like do this and not be a grower, just because selling weed as a woman is just not always the best thing, you know? And uh with space gem, like I was like, if I could just make little candies and then just sell them to everyone, like yeah, people are gonna want them. People want to not have the part of like taking the torch and the dab and all that stuff with them, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:50

Oh, yeah, it's it's a little bit much. Let's just be honest.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:54

It's like a little bit much, yeah, just the packing. I was like, but a little humble is perfect, and I was a single mom, you know. So I just you know, I couldn't really get a job. I don't know, just like all worked out. I guess I'm going in the whole story of it, but when we first started BHM, you know, uh definitely living in Humboldt. I feel very blessed because I'm like around cannabis, like nonstop, and you know, just all the different methods, too. So you know, we first used oil and uh like just the supply chain of it got to be like kind of crazy because the two guys that I was like getting it from, they're Southern Humboldt Concentrate, and they won um the Amsterdam Cup for their super lemon OG and the BHO, and it was just hard, they were getting super popular, so just like getting the amount of it. And uh as I'm like on Instagram, I noticed that Matt Rice just keeps like posting fuck BHO, all the stuff. I would like to get into it with him on the on the comments, like you don't know what you're talking about, but actually I didn't know what I was talking about. And then I started listening and I realized that uh you know, standing in front of Space Gem at like an event and an old man asking me about what I know is if I know all the BHO is like out of it, all the butane is out. I was like, I don't really know. So um yeah, I guess I just started with bubble hash. It was definitely like a little learning curve. I made these like gummies, they're called space gems, they're little space drops. And um, when I saw them at the dispensary and said I changed everything, I changed everything with the bubble hash. I made all organic ingredients, like went from like not dyes or like natural, you know, just like went more with my craft. That was basically in like 2015. So it took me like two years to get there, you know. Um, but yeah, we just like decarb the bubble hash and then um we just decarb large amounts basically in an oven, and then we just weigh it as like for each what we're gonna make, you know what I mean? And then put it in to um coconut oil. Not MCT oil either. It's like organic coconut oil. I think that that's like a big thing to say.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:18

Nice. It's interesting that you bring up Matt Rice multiple times. I've definitely sold, I definitely sold him bags back in the day. And I remember when Matt first started coming around, and you know, he in the in the in the early days, you know, and I've shouted him out before Matt, myself, uh, you know, Nikate, Frenchie Cannoli. In fact, Matt and Frenchie were both really, you know, they got on the map because of Sub Cool. Without Sub Cool's materials, like that's what Matt was using all the time. That's what that's what Frenchie was using. And and in Sub's defense, uh his fucking materials were incredible. Like you couldn't make you couldn't not make great hash if you got your shit from sub. He was just one of those anomalies, and it was the same thing with his seeds. He'd send me seeds. Oh, here, try this, it's the couve, you know, try this one, it's the jack's cleaner, try this one. They were all just fucking fire. They always produced what I would call, like, if given to the right grower, a full melt genetic. They were like, in fact, I remember back in the day, I was gonna start a seed company called Full Melt Genetics, and it was gonna carry basically all of Subcool's seeds because they were such quality seeds. And so, you know, between Matt and the fuck BHO, nicketee kind of kind of going about it a little bit more, you know, less punch me in the mouth and more like I'm just trying to create a community. So he created he created uh the solventless, right? There's there's his there's his term right there, solvent list. That's my solventless quiver, dry sip, bubble hash, and rosin. But so he started the the solvent list because you know, and he told me this story many times. He's like back in the day in in Colorado when everyone started dabbing, I guess around 08 or whenever it was, it was dabbing was BHO. And and if someone said, Hey, do you have dabs? It was BHO. And he was like, he didn't like that everyone was calling dabs bho. And he was like, No, but you can dab water hash, you can dab ice wax, bubble hash, whatever you want to call it. And so we had this like, I'm the bubble hash guy, Matt's the ice wax guy, uh Nicottee's the solventless guy. In the end, I didn't really care because I was just selling everyone bags, whatever you want to call it, call it kind of thing. But uh, those guys definitely had um an important part in popularizing quality because they had access to it, and so they were able to show this caliber of resin that you know you couldn't, you couldn't, your mouth would just water when you saw the pictures, when you saw this stuff, and it was uh, you know, Nikity and and Matt definitely went about it in a very different way. Like Nikate wants the he wants to party, he wants to play the music and get everyone hopping, and Matt wants to get under your skin so badly that you just want to punch him in the mouth. Oh my god, there's definitely moments, there's definitely like well, you you you must have heard that he's been punched in the mouth multiple times. Like he would go to events and then it would be on the internet. Did you hear Matt Rise got knocked the fuck out? And I was like, Oh boy, here we go. Oh Matt, oh Matt, I still respect him for his part that he played in it. Now, you know, did I like how he went about it? Not necessarily, he caused me a lot of grief and angst. He would go on my sites and be a huge dick, and then I'd have to like kind of tell him, Don't be a dick, and then he'd be mad at me, and I'd be like, dude, like you just, you know, it's like we gotta all sort of survive together. And I was learning at the same time. I remember going on the internet and and and being a dick, like not to everyone, but you could be nice to a thousand people. One person could poke your your your buttons, and then you're a dick to that person. Well, that person is a Reddit expert, they're not gonna spend the next seven years on Reddit destroying you and your brand. And I I met that person like six or seven times. I I met the one guy, his name was Joe Petrie. I don't know if you know about this self-admitted rat in his book, The King of Nepal. But holy fuck, this guy wrote multiple articles about me and hilarious shit. Skunkman Sam, too. He wrote an article that Skunkman Sam created me, that the Bubble Man was a creation of Skunkman Sam and how I ripped off the bag industry and how I'm selling. Well, what did he call it? It was a great quote. It was uh cheap nylon at wedding dress prices, I think was his quote for the bubble bags. Cheap nylon for wedding day prices. He just, this guy hated me so bad. In the end, I kind of gotta uh uh thank him, which I I've kind of helped thanked a lot of the people who've caused me problems in my life because I manifested them into my life to cause me those problems because the you know, those problems were an obstacle I had to get by. For example, Constable John Lowe, who pulled me over with 16 kgs and six grand cash and arrested me and charged me and busted me. That was the whole reason bubble bags got started. Thank you, John Lowe, for doing that. I didn't like you at the time, but I do appreciate you now. Uh, and it's the same thing for all of these other things, it's never really a blame, it's uh you learn from these experiences. Joe Petrie really, you know what he did was he wanted to get me in any way that he could. And I'll tell you how crazy humanity is. This is how fucking crazy it is. I'm at the toker's bowl in 2003. This is a Mark Emory event in Vancouver. He's spending like$200,000.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:41

I could not think of his name all week. Thank you, Mark Emery. Yeah, that's what I've been trying to talk about.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:46

Very polar character. Holy Christ! You start bringing up Mark Emery, and you really start getting into the but he threw this event called the Tokers Bowl. And I had a booth at the toker's bowl, and it was a small little local event. And I went to the booth, and my good friend Chris Bennett, who's like a cannabis historian, he's wrote a ton of books, he's an author, and so he represents empathy for authors. He always so he comes up to me, he's like, Look, dude, there's this guy, he wrote a book called King of Nepal, but he doesn't have anywhere to put it. Would you be willing to put it at your booth? And I was like, Fuck, of course, dude. Like, my booth is his booth, is your booth. Like, you can both put your books down, of course. So they ended up putting some books down, and Joe ended up hanging out at my booth. And I actually had a really good time with him. He's an older, kind of rough kind of you know, New York kind of guy. Uh, he's got his real attitude, and I liked him. I like characters, I like stereotypes, I like I like how we all play our part. And Joe was kind of a decent guy, he had this book. I, you know, all my bags were made in Nepal. My partner lives in Nepal, he's married to a Nepali woman, he has five Nepali children. Bubble Bags is incredibly connected to Nepal, like deeply. And so the fact that he wrote a book on Nepal, I was like, Oh, this is like so cool. And Chris introduced me, and so he comes and hangs out for the whole week. And at one point in time, we're about to do a demo, and we're gonna do a demo with the bubble bags, and we've got a bunch of weed, and I've got a couple of ounces, and he had a bit of weed, like five or six grams. He's like, Here, throw this in. So he throws this five or six grams in, and we make a little batch, and you know, it might have even been a 200-gram batch because it wasn't a one-gallon, it was a five-gallon. And the reason I remember that is because we started it at Mark Emery's store in the basement, and we ended up moving to a school bus that was taking us to a restaurant. Oh, you got bags. That's what's up. I didn't notice that's what you were holding. I was like, what is she holding up? Like a giant like thermos or something? I thought it was like one of those, like, you know, the girl jokes. Have you seen the guys that joke around carrying the big Stanley cups, but they're carrying like garbage cans with a straw in it? Have you seen these guys?

SPEAKER_10 1:24:51

Oh my god, should I make a cocktail? Should I make an infused cocktail that I drink out of the out of the bubble bubble? That is a bubble bucket infused drink for 420. Yes. I think I should do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:07

I think you should as well. So to finish the story, we ended up moving. I I ended up making the rest of that batch with DJ Short, actually. Dan on a school bus with Mark Emery. We're making hash driving through Vancouver. Anyway, at the end of the event, a couple weeks go by and he calls me up and he goes, Hey, thanks for sharing your booth. That was great. By the way, I wanted to send you that money. And I said, Oh, you don't owe me any money, dude. I told you you could just put your books on the on the booth for free. And he goes, Well, no, um, for the bags. And I said, For what bags? He said, Well, I grabbed a set of bags. I said, What? He said, Yeah, I just grabbed a set of bags and I wanted to pay you for them. And of course, this would have been a good moment in time for me to realize that being reactive was probably not the best thing for me to do. But I couldn't wrap my head around this guy telling me that I'm like, What are you talking about? You took some bags, they're like$300. What are you talking about? And so I kind of was, he's like, Don't worry about it, it's not a big deal. I'm calling you now. I'm like, no, it's kind of a big deal, dude. Like, that's kind of like stealing. Like, I was at the booth with you the entire time. When could you have possibly taken those bags? Like, did you wait for me to go to the bathroom and then shove them in your so I I'm I'm kind of getting a little like upset, and you know, I got a bit of a personality that can rub people the wrong way. Anyway, I rub this guy's, I rub this guy the wrong way. He finishes our phone call with this statement. I am going to do everything I can in my power to destroy you, and then hung up. I was like, what the fuck? And then and then he did. He wrote three articles in treating yourself that were scathing, liable, and slanderous cannabis articles about me and Skunk Man Sam. No, it was amazing. Like Sam and I would laugh about it. He even Sam told me he's like, he's like, You've made it, you know, they're they're they're writing slanderous articles about you, you know, like they've been doing this to me for 30 years. I was like, holy shit, dude. It was crazy. In fact, the editor of that magazine, Marco Rendo, uh, rest in peace to him, because he's since passed away, he was in Amsterdam one year, and I remember Dave coming up to me, Skunk Man, and being like, hey, uh, or maybe it was Diana, his wife. Uh, Dave wants to pie Marco Rendo. So in Europe, if you want to uh assault someone, you have to do it with like whipped cream, and then it's not considered assault. So if you throw like a pie full of whipped cream inside in front of a politician's face, it is not an assault. They allow this in the Netherlands. So if you Google it, you can watch politicians getting pied in the Netherlands because there is no criminal charge. So Dave hires these two girls and fills up these trays full of fucking whipped cream and they walk up to him and Diana. At the time, was like, Do you think you could film it? And I was like, Oh, yeah, sure, I'll film it. And so I filmed Marco Rendo getting pied for the Dave for the for the for the Petrie, the Joseph Petrie articles that he wrote about us. Now he even went further and he ended up getting in touch with Reinhardt Delp. And this is why I want to thank Joe Petrie. He ended up getting in touch with Reinhardt Delp. And Reinhardt Delp, for those of you that don't know, he's kind of he's not the first block in the wall that is water extraction, but he's a very, very early block. So there was the unknown American who turned out to be Ed Rosenthal who told Neville that resin sinks in water. This was in the 80s. Resin sinks in water. Neville, the breeder, tells Skunk Man Sam with Rob Clark, Did you know that the resin is heavy and it's still affected by gravity and it sinks in the water? 1988, they create the Sathu Sam water extraction secret. They put an advertisement out in a in a 1988 High Times magazine. You send them 10 bucks and they send you this jar check information, uh tech shaking bud in a jar of water and then putting it on the uh windowsill, letting it settle, scooping the weed off, pouring it through a coffee filter. You have water hash. Reinhard Delp comes along and he creates the triple extractor. And this is like a stainless steel uh brewery, conical brewery tank, uh, where he's mixing inside with a linear actuator, everything's falling down, not based on micron size. This is what the bags came out and did, but based on the maturity level of the resin gland and how easy it breaks off the plant. And so in the bottom of the ice cold extractor, you had this little glass sort of little piece that had a little um valve, and you could see the different color resins as they were falling and settling a lighter color to a darker color. And you could open that up and release the lighter stuff and then close it. And so how you got your grades was not through micron isolation, but it was through the maturity, which was super cool. Like Reinhardt was a super cool dude. In the end, Petrie linked up with Reinhardt and started fanning the flames, and he got Reinhard to basically sue all of us that were doing water extraction. I ended up in a multi-year, very long lawsuit with Reinhardt Delp. I was partnered up with Lucy, the extractor woman. I was partner up with Jason from Payload Bags. Mila wanted nothing to do with it. The three of us, in the end, we learned the true history. We learned that the bags were invented by Eldon on Mark on Mila's couch with Mark Rose, watching the ice cold extractor. He came up with the bag idea, and this is why I ended up paying the money to Reinhard Delp. And this is why Jason paid money to Reinhardt Delp. And this is why Lucy paid money to Reinhard Delp. So it's not bad when you learn the true history of something. And I told myself when I went into the lawsuit, I wasn't gonna use the lawyers to manipulate myself in a way to get out of paying if I owed. I told myself, if this machine has anything to do with the bags in a major way, I'm gonna pay this guy out. And that's what I did. I paid him out some some some decent amount of paper for all of the bags I sold, and then all of the bags that I will sell in in perpetuity. But um, yeah, that history is that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:25

I'm really happy you just talked about all about that history, you know, and just the fact of like I just want to say, just like being an ice water hash edible, like I get a lot of shit. You know what I mean? And like you, the fact I'm sure you've been in rooms that were like uncomfortable and stuff, and like having to see people, that makes me feel like uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:46

You have no idea the level of uncomfortable, Wendy. First of all, like I like Mila ran Amsterdam. Mila was the hash queen of Amsterdam, and everyone hated me on behalf of Mila. The love they had for Mila was the hate they had for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:03

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:04

Oh, it was serious. It was real, it was the real deal. I mean, at one point, her daughter came up to one of my booths in Germany one day, and she said, Look, full disclosure, I am Mila's daughter. I said, No problem. Welcome. What can I do for you? She said, Well, first of all, I had to come over and meet you because it's gotten to the point where there's no way that you could be as bad as what they're saying over in my camp. There's just I just had to come and meet you. And I ended up talking to her for probably an hour or two at the booth. It was really refreshing. It was really good. You know, Mila and I don't have this anymore, but I will say that Mila went out of her way back in the day to make my life very, very difficult to the point of like calling magazines and telling them not to write articles or publish my articles, like all sorts of just crazy stuff. Oh my god, it's like, hey, you know, come on, we're we're all a part of this community, but you know what? Honestly, I thank her for it nowadays. It was all part of my journey and it was quite a journey.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:58

Yeah, totally quite a journey. I know to be part of like a multi-lawsuit, too, just to like talk about to pay it out. What are you showing us?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:09

That's the XTR instructions from Reinhardt Delp. Oh you're muted at Tan. Even though you're not muted, I can't hear you. But you're not muted, it's not showing that you're muted, but I'm not here. Now I can hear you.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:23

My mic was off. This is I had the original extractor. I got it at um, and so these are the instructions. Highly enough, print on my ex-wife stationery. Um, but just how it was back in the 90s when I got it back in 97, 98. So yeah. Since you were talking about that, I was like, well, I just found my actual old instruction.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:42

It would have been 98.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:44

98, then, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:45

He came up with it in 97. He got the patent at in 98, and he didn't show it to Mila till 98. And then funny enough, that's when isolator bags came out months after they saw the machine. And and I, you know, it's weird as you get older. I look back, and first of all, welcome, Etienne. Fucking awesome to see you, dude. Uh, much love. Um, I look back at it and just think like it seemed like so, it seemed like the isolator bags had been around for decades. They had been around for like six months before I released my bags. I still can't wrap my head around that. My bags came out in November or sorry, March of 1999. I had bags earlier that were being RD'd, but I first sold my first set of bags to high grade, the DWC bucket grower on overgrow.com. He was my first customer, uh, online customer, because I had sold to my friends prior to that. But uh yeah, that was in March of 1999. Amel came out with the isolator bags uh in '98 uh at the cannabis cup. So that would have been in November. Pretty cool. Yeah, it's good to just kind of go over the history of these things. And and you know what? We all kind of sometimes have a little bit of a different history. I have people all the time tell me that they have been using my bags since '94. And I'm like, that's amazing. That's like literally five years before I came up with them. So, like, I don't know what you're doing, but keep doing it, dude. You're ahead of the fucking curve. Like, actually, it's just delusion. Anyone can do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:20

I know you and I just, Mark, we just had like a thing like with my accountant, and he just told me a story about you in Jamaica. I like came, I like even showed you little clips of it of like, is this true? You know, just like his version and your version are totally different.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:37

You know, remember it like that though. But I I guarantee you, I met him. I he didn't look overly familiar, but I've had this experience before.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:47

I totally think that his part. Okay, so my accountant, and this is actually I like reached out to him like last Sunday, but my accountant basically said that he met Mark um in Jamaica. Mark just came. Can do you mind if I just tell his story?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:02

Yeah, yeah, but keep do the timeline. When did he meet me in Jamaica?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:06

So it was just like when his he had a baby, you had a baby too. So it wasn't 1990. I know it was like in 2000s or something. Sorry, then 1998. Because your daughter's 25. You said in his daughter's 25, about to turn 26. Yeah. So it's like that timeline is like pretty good, you know. You met him on the beach, you like tripped over him. It was like right when you first came there and stuff, and uh just like you brought the bubble bags to Jamaica and you were like, it was your first time bringing them, and you were just excited, and you needed you were gonna go make some bubble hash for some Rastafarians, and you know, when he he took you on the experiment, experience, you know, took you in a car, whatever. Um he said the mountain, so of course he says the mountain, but you know, whatever. Um, but you got there and you're like, okay, I need ice and I need electricity. And um, at that moment, like Rastafarians don't believe in ice because it's like all natural, you know, and obviously they're on an island, and so it's just like they don't have ice and they don't have electricity. So then um that didn't work out. So then they like went down to like uh where my friend was staying at his place, his rental, and made ice water hash. It had ice, you know, there's an ice machine, and then you had like um instead of like a cake batter mixer, you know, you took like an hour like blending it and all this stuff, and yeah, then you like came out with it wet and you couldn't smoke it at that moment, and you know, you talked about just like the bubble hash, and you had like a grateful dead piece and it was bubbling, and that's why you called it bubble hash when you light it, yeah, you know, and uh yeah, just you know, little tons of it, tons of it is accurate.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:53

There's there's like a lot of is it is accurate. So, first, my first trip to Jamaica was in '95 when I got married with my wife. This was pre pre-bubble bags. So I had been to Jamaica, it wasn't my first time to Jamaica, but no, just that first time, yeah. Okay, it's very likely that he met me when I did first bring the bubble bags to Jamaica. So that would have been oh one. And my daughter was just born that year. It could have also been oh two. She might have been like one or one of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:22

Yeah, and like he had a daughter too on the beach, and you left the wife. Well, this is his story that you left your wife and the baby with his wife and the baby. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:30

We did that multiple times. I just don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:35

Yeah, no, oh, yeah, you said like long dreadlocks and stuff. Obviously, now he's older and is like you know, got a CPA's license and does my taxes, but it's definitely like grateful dead, and yeah, definitely still spun. I'll tell you that, you know, too. Yeah, but you're right.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:51

It is neat how we remember things differently because one of the things he remembered was that I stayed with him for like a month.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:58

Yeah, that might have been an over exaggeration. I think I you know, yeah, you stayed for like an hour because you got robbed.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:04

He says that you look like we did get robbed in Jamaica.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:09

At like a rental or whatever, like a really nice rental and all your stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:14

And no, the time well, how we got robbed was Jamaicans back then would never take your stuff because that's a death sentence, right? If they get caught with that stuff, they're gonna get the the police will kill them. So they only take money. Yeah, yeah. No, it's a fact. Like you did, like, trust me. I'm sure I believe you. Yeah, tourism is number tourism is number one in Jamaica. It's like why you don't hear of a lot of violent like crimes against tourists in Jamaica, like they fuck with each other and they kill each other at a crazy rate, and they definitely are hardcore maniac drivers, which is one of the things I love about Jamaica because I can be a hardcore maniac driver, but uh yeah, they don't steal stuff, but they will steal your money. And there was a crackhead Jamaican dude that was kind of it was kind of a hard lesson to learn because you know, I was befriending all of these dudes in the house that I was renting in the grill off uh, you know, up the up on the hills away from the beach. And I had been befriending these different dudes and showing them how to make water hash, different rastas, guys that owned like ITEL kitchens. And what happened was this guy came in and they said there's some sort of aerosol spray that they'll spray into the room to make sure the people who are sleeping don't wake up because that's what they don't want. And somehow he removed one of the bars on the windows because, of course, there's bars on every entrance and hole and window into the house in Jamaica. You gotta lock them up. He managed to like pull one bottom of one out and like fit through this super narrow, it probably like hurt him and cut him up, but he got into the room and he just stole um a bunch of cash. I had exchanged, you know, a couple grand, which was a huge wad of Jamaican cash. Another rookie move, probably shouldn't have done that. Um, anyway, he just came in and stole the money, and it took me a while to realize, but every Jamaican knew who it was, everyone on the street knew who it was, and no one would tell me. And I was like, wow, this is like a crazy scenario where like they're protecting the crackhead, you know. Eventually he got found, he had robbed a bunch more people, he wasn't violent, he wasn't using a knife or fear tactics, he was a BE steal in the night kind of expert. But we had our kid in that house, and we were like pretty not stoked about that experience, but I was definitely um my naive mind was opened a little bit, and I even talked to them once we found out. I was like, that's crazy that you wouldn't tell me. And they were like super, they were just like, Man, like the problems that could cause me uh here where I live for telling you where you're visiting, it just doesn't uh it doesn't equal the same of what you would get from it. What are you gonna get from it? What do you care if you know who the crackhead is that robbed you? You know, from my perspective, it was like, well, so I can like just know. So I don't have to like, you know, when I see that guy, I'm gonna be like, hey, dude, what the fuck? Like, don't be coming around my property. But they didn't want to tell me they protected him. And I see this all sorts of ways. It's human nature. Any group of people, and you see it how I really saw it and was disconcerted is in corporations. Corporations are set up to protect the worst people, uh, and at the end of it, when it's so horrible, it's probably horrible. It's the biggest bummer about you know, corporate entities, and I get it, like we all have a different reality. So obviously, when you see things in a corporation and you think you're perceiving them one way, there's definitely maybe other perspectives, but I think some shit is cut and dry, and shitty is shitty, and you can kind of know when it's shitty, but uh yeah, I don't know what it is, it's just human nature to um I think anytime a place says we're a family does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 1:43:16

Like I don't know, I say we're a family. What am I saying wrong? You say that well, like we're a family at work, yeah. Yeah, like we're a family, we all help each other. I know. Like, I just like it as I was.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:36

I think I think about I think about restaurants, I think about like when it becomes like that, it begets tricky, right? Um yeah, it's totally tricky.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:47

Yeah, I think it's not family, I think it's fam.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:52

Yeah, I think there has to be like there has because for some people, family is not a good, it's not a good thing, right? A family can be clocked out, it can be you're not wrong. Uh that's so that's my point. It's like, and for a lot of people, depending on like if it's a corporation that has a really toxic work culture, right? Like there's there's expectations of either like, hey, you have to drink or you have to, you can't clock out before this time. Like you have to show you're committed, that you're willing to cover up uh that you're willing to cover up bad actions, things like that. That's when it becomes like not a good not a good way of looking at how to run a business and a um anything, right? Like anything. So it just I don't know what the solution is to that. I think it's you know, having clear boundaries, like any how do you have a good relationship with your family? It's like you respect people's boundaries, you try to you respect uh like you just try to empathize with that person. So anyway, I don't know what tangent I'm going on.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:07

That fucking saucer is I was gonna say I know what tangent of the boy wants to be.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:20

Yes, you're glowing. Your little smiles work.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:23

I was like, uh oh, it's it's yeah, I don't I don't know if you guys were watching Colin and Etienne, but uh uh Vanessa just like uh down the hatched a hundred milligram saucer that Wendy made a little uh like maybe about an hour ago now, 45 minutes or nine.

SPEAKER_10 1:45:41

We started.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:42

How are we feeling over there, Vanessa?

SPEAKER_10 1:45:43

I feel great. I was like, you know, waiting for it to kick in, and then it just kind of started nicely hitting while we were, you know, it's joining.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:56

I'd be drooling again. The slow creep on, huh? It's just creeping up on you on the shoulder and just uh hi.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:06

I have a good relationship with an edible high, so seasoned clearly seasons, yes. It's like my brain likes it, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:17

Yeah, you're your your titration level is a tad higher than your normal average stoner, is basically what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:24

I'm with you on that, Vanessa.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:26

I I like a good strong people always ask about my eyes too. They're always like, Why are your eyes always so white? I have no idea. I have no idea.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:36

Lower interocular pressure. Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:39

Yeah, that's yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:41

Extremely causes the pushing out of the eyes, which can cause the veins to push out. So when the eyes are relaxed, blood pressure, right? So, you know, that's that's what happens, it doesn't push out. So, you know, that's a good thing, but too low a blood pressure, as you know, it can be its own problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:58

You know, that's crazy, and what's crazy is you ate a hundred, I ate a five, I totally feel my five too, because I was like explaining when I had to explain space show, I was like, oh no, this is like right when it like hit me, too, you know, and it's like so crazy how a hundred and a five and how they're like so different, and yeah, it just depends on your tolerance, and it depends on like I don't always eat a hundred milligrams, but we're still you know, by it it's a Sunday, we're in church.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:27

What do you guys think of the at the additional of like nootropics and psychedelic mushrooms? Because uh lately I've been going to Denver quite a bit, and everyone has mushroom gummies, and I have to say, like the edibles and the mushroom gummies in lower doses at least are a very similar vibe. Um go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:47

Oh, just wait. Oh my god, this is my favorite thing to talk about right now. Okay, so we created because like how do you gonna do indicativa and hybrid, like all with like bubble hash, right? Like that just doesn't work, right? You can't just wash one like strains, and I don't know the whole indicativa thing at this thing is like hard to you know, because like plants, whatever, it's just regionally sometimes, you know. I don't know your opinion on it, but the same. I just don't think everything's like hybrid, everything's mixed now, you know? So, but people want to know how they're gonna feel. So we did mushrooms, like lion's mane. That's what this one, the sativa one, has lion's mane in it. Our hybrid have cordyceps in it, our CBN has Rishi in it, and our CBD THC has like turkey tail. But when we put the hash and the mushrooms together, and it was like it took like a little bit longer to like, you know, because it's your first run, it boiled. It boiled the ice, the the coconut oil was not warm. Ice water had like, I mean, the mushrooms was like powder, and we put it together in there, and then all of a sudden it started boiling. Like they were happy to be together. They are like, I think mushrooms and hash like go together so well, they were like dancing, they're boiling, like I can't even describe it. That's what I'm saying every time. That's what I'm saying. Every time now, it's just like they like they belong together.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:26

They that's what I was just about to say. There's a future with of this, I think it's going to be substantial, in my opinion. Like edibles go like cannabis edibles in particular, they go well. And I'll tell you also in Colorado, it wasn't just mushrooms. People had gummies of everything. There was mescaline gummies and like all sorts of different microdose vibes that were just all quite pleasant.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:55

I love it. Wendy, Wendy, I just want to state my um uh your Space Gems actually fueled our uh V UN team. Um so uh while we were at the UN, yes, we were enjoying your space gems because uh one of our guys, Mike, is a huge fan and made sure we had enough to share with the rest of the class. And uh I just wanted to give you a shout out of love and respect from our veterans who appreciate what you do. Uh, you're literally saving lives. And not only that, you're fueling our international team when we're on the ground. So just a little bit of love and respect to you. So that's not something that's used for advertising, but something you should know about because that's how well you're appreciated.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:43

Oh my God, that's amazing. Oh my God. What is UN? I'm sorry, I just want to make sure I understand.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:49

That's the United Nations.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:50

That's what I thought. I just don't want to make that up.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:53

Yeah, we were just at the United Nations for the C and D, uh, the Commission on Narcotics Drugs, working with uh in about uh 14, 15 other countries working toward removing cannabis from the most dangerous drug categories so that people are no longer executed for cannabis. So uh while we're on the ground, you know, we have to medicate. And uh your your product is very much a fan, as well as it drove our team and kept us going the week while we were there on the ground.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:22

So so your product currently is inspiring and fueling the people who will get the countries who are executing people for cannabis to stop doing that. That's pretty fucking heavy. We appreciate you.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:38

Oh, thank you, thank you for letting me know. They just like go out there, I just have no idea, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:44

I you know, I I I found since we're telling stories, I I found you. I was um I was doing a project for another company out of California, and I have a I had a hash lab in Van Nuys for a while, and um I went to Hall of Flowers and I'm like walking the floor and just like looking at all the stuff, and it's like super overwhelming, right? You know, to go to these places because it's just an onslaught of stuff. And then walk into this booth and I'm like looking at all this stuff, and I see like hash gummies, and I'm like, space gems, this is cool. What's this about? And like hash gummies, I'm like, nice, this is awesome. And someone's like, yo, this is my friend's company, and this they talk about talk literally talk about you. And I literally popped one, and honestly, like an hour in, I was like, this is awesome. People have access to this because it's so important that hash and this was like 2021, I think. Um, in the they did them in they did the Hall of Flowers in Palm Springs or something then.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:39

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:40

Um, but yeah, so I loved your product, so I think you know, getting hash to more people and bringing that awareness um and just being about it is uh, you know, that's awesome, man. You know, that's really really great that you're doing that. Um, waiver and they add, you know, like you're alluding to ethanol, you know, and yeah, that's right, yeah, other things for the sake of marketing. And I deal with that, and Marcus deals with it all the time because we have products out, and I think it's important for the audience to know from you that you know, you think about that because I know we as hash makers think about that, and it really, you know, I try to be a little gentle about it, but it really bothers me, you know, like it really undercuts like everything everyone works towards for the sake of um a marketing term that really um doesn't represent anything whatsoever in which we're about, you know, which is the true transparency, you know. So yeah, that's it's really cool that you're just like all your focus is is in hash and um you know making products in that realm. Does there what other products are you guys doing are you doing any other products? It sounds like what's cool about what I'm hearing from you is like now you've evolved into the adaptogens and and mushrooms and other things that you find um you know accentuate and give more color to this this baseline that you're kind of working in. Um what other products are you guys kind of working on and and looking at? Um I'd love to learn about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:19

Yeah, like yeah, I really appreciate that. The fact that we've I've just stunk stuck with hash and like haven't went to Rosalind or anything like that. I mean, I've tried it, but I have like a whole opinion on it to totally be honest, why I don't use it. Um and uh we I think you know, we're just trying to I think hash is the best way to eat. I think our high is like the purest, you know, and keeping the plant whole as much as possible. I would really like to do a thing without sugar, you know, and like um I think that there can be like a huge benefit to it. Also, Vanessa and I are gonna do like some caramels together, um, to like, you know, get that product out and just so like Marigold is like all around, you know, and people can get access because I just think edibles, you know, it was like so amazing teaming up with like getting to know Vanessa is because I can speak edible language to her and she can understand, and you know, um that's like really important, you know, to be able to like say the things that we've tried together or you know, just how the decarburate or you know how we do different things. And you know, obviously, yes, Vanessa always says like the plant has to have more research, you know. We do like our I think the most perfect way to describe that is just like with our CBN. We have like um CBN gummy, and we take the bubble hash and we cook it all the way to make it to to go from T C A to THC to you know, um CBN and it takes longer than it takes longer, but it's also like a heat thing, like there's a so much with bubble hash because there's hot spots that can happen with it too, you know, and uh um do it this way. But then it's like also we're taking bubble hash that was like 54, 57 THC, right? You know, THCA, and then we're taking that and turning it into 13, 13 CBN. So what is else that like all those other cannabinoids that are in there that we don't even know, or more research about what because it's not like we're just taking 13 of that gram. We're using that whole gram, you know, and what happened to the other cannabinoids to make it, yeah. I don't know. So I guess that's like what we're working on and Wendy.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:45

Going the going the no sugar route, huge fan of my I was when Vanessa was on last, we were talking about my big my big gumption currently is that most gummies are like two grams of sugar per gummy, and it's like that's way too much because I know people they don't just do one gummy, right? They're shotgun and gummies sometimes, you know what I'm saying? You know, or the experienced person. So something with less sugar is something I just want to say. I'm a fan of, and I know my uh my diabetic uh patients and others are looking for.

SPEAKER_10 1:57:18

But would they want something like an alternative sugar, or would they just want something savory?

SPEAKER_06 1:57:24

Both. I mean, there's there's dietary restrictions all around. So, you know, there are those who want no sweetener, which uh it's like eh, but then there are ones who want something that's other than sugar, right? If there's, you know, like a um uh a type of um yeah, there's different natural artificial sweeteners, etc. So originally when we were, you know, a lot of our producers prior to legalization were all patients making things by patients and for patients. So those patients that were diabetic would then work with you know different syrups and different, you know, onset items so that they weren't dealing with you know sugar, you know, replacing things with maple syrup or you know, alternates that are better absorbable for the body, right? But that doesn't necessarily translate into a packageable product, right? So yeah, we understand.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:13

Well it's getting easier. I think, like, you know, muck like she just said, muckfruit. I just put it in our chat. It's a good one. Coconut sugar.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:20

It's like relaxative. I just want to say it's a laxative. It is that it's so good for certain people. I get like the no sugar stuff, but I also think it's like a chemical sugar that we don't know what's gonna happen at the end of the day. You know, yes, we use organic sugar. I go out of my way just for organic rock cane sugar, which I would think would be way better than having a laxative. And also, you know, white sugar is just like not good, you know, but yeah, just the way we process it. Yeah, I think that hash can taste really good. You know, I'm in like trying to eat all the hash I can get at it, and just to make sure I like this a taste of it because I taste gummies and I'm like, this is not what hash tastes like. So I don't know what you're using, you know, like and um the fact of that we use more material in all of our gummies than any other company because they're using a distillate or a rosin or enzyme extraction or all these other different methods, you know, like it's kind of crazy that we don't have that much of a hash taste, you know, when these other companies are supposed to be using rosin or these other things and supposed to taste better and it tastes like absolutely horrible. Probably probably like the rancid, you know, coconut oil, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:34

Well, it's also there's starting material, you know. I I starting material like everything, yeah. I learned when I had our lab in Van Nuys in in California, it was a eye-opening experience of the different grades of materials that would come through and how that material was handled before it got to us, kind of thing. And um, you know, it was really interesting because you would see you know massive diversity. So I can only imagine the challenge um, you know, someone would have on a consistent basis, you know, because I fell into this very specific farms that we would work with. Um, and it was slim pickens to be real, on good material.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:16

Well, do you know if that was like for fresh frozen? I feel like fresh frozen has its own way, but how to take care of your material is like a huge thing, you know, and like farms that like yeah, I think there's a huge learning curve where they just think everything can be washed, you know? And it's like it's actually not true. And just like also like edibles, like I also thought about this too. We don't have this, but a lot of edibles like could have pesticides, could have other things, and like still pass testing because it's such, you know, like that flying saucer, and just in that one is 0.18 grams of bubble hash, you know. So like that's still not enough if that did have a pesticide or did have something in it. Not enough because the nine gram gummy goes over that, you know? And so as they're testing, um, yeah, it just doesn't trans, you know, the it's such a little miscual amount of hash to be able to find those pesticides or those other things, especially in edibles.

SPEAKER_10 2:01:15

It's hard to test edibles.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:19

Well, just like with like it's I don't think it's hard to test, it's just you're using such a small amount. But if you use like a whole gram of it or a half a gram, then the pesticides and then that stuff will come out in it, but it won't come out in the edible as much. I haven't seen an edible. I keep looking. I'm like looking hard to see any edible pop up for like any pesticides or anything like that.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:44

So people are like getting around source batch material and they're just like going straight to finished goods and they're getting C away from that from that point.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:54

Yes, yes, exactly. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:57

I'm just trying to think like from you know, knowing what I gotta do from a metric point of view.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:03

Um yeah, well, just because you're dirty work right there. Well, it's like so interesting. So if like you RD your like, you know, your batch and you know it's gonna fail, then you're gonna go make it into edibles, you know? And I like how it really struggled because then that well, that's a remediation, that's part of it, you know? Like you can just put that into edibles and it's not gonna show up, you know.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:28

Yeah, I mean, I don't I mean it's that's that's really dirty because it's tough to just do this just be like, yeah, we're gonna do because you know, like most of that stuff typically goes to a solvent extraction if it's failing for that, right? Gets put into a stock and blasts into BHO or something. Um, which then that process can remediate that factually and take those things out of it, but um, but still it's dirty work and really shouldn't even be happening to begin with, which is crazy. You know, to your point. You know, it's nasty. So you find that that most people around you are making those types of choices. Um that's um that's really concerning because you know, consumers don't deserve that, you know. It's not why we all started doing this, I would I would imagine.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:17

No, I I mean I'm just like trying to figure out, you know, like I did this like whole thing where I just wanted to try all these other edibles, you know, and then compare them. And like, man, I was like really freaking disappointed. And I'm like, how do they taste this bad and they have less amount than I have in it, you know, like but you still can taste the flavor, but the part of it is just so like gross. It made me like really realize that so many people are just going for the like money part of it, you know? I think that yeah, I don't even know if like people are eating their own product, you know. I think that that's like another thing too, is that I don't even see that's like yeah, I don't see any other edible maker like sitting there like eating gummies, they're usually scared to eat them, they're not confident, you know, they're like, oh I can't eat one of those because they know it's gonna taste horrible, you know?

SPEAKER_08 2:04:10

Like yeah, it's that's that's not a good thing. I mean, you know, to your point, if you're an edible maker, you should be like a hash maker, excited to try your work, right? And excited to be about it. And you know, maybe you try like a hundred variations without it being dosed before you dose it to get other constituents right. I worked on a gummy for a company for um a couple years, and it was cool because I'm not a food scientist, but it was cool to be in the room with other food scientists to learn um iterative process like that. And you know, it was it's a tough thing. Edibles are not easy, you know. These things are like complex and batches are complex to do.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:55

And I'm sure you guys run into humidity and all you're in California, so less less thereof, but like in different environments, we live in Humboldt, and like it's hard to like know what it's gonna be like at 50 degrees to like 100 degrees down in the in the palm desert, you know what I mean? Especially the state is so huge, you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:13

You gotta be able to taste it too. Like as a food scientist, you know, like you have to be able to taste it, and you can't just taste it without the cannabinoids present. Like you have to you have to be able to do the work all the way through. I I have tasted many, many, many gummies. I thought they were all very kind of just similar. When I first met the owners of White Rabbit, and they're a local Canadian gummy company that was like, oh, we don't use sugar, we use like organic rice syrup, we use this, we use that, oh, we don't use gelatin. We they were like, it was the craziest gummy I ever had. And and they were great together. They unfortunately kind of parted ways. The one guy was do you know making the deals and finding the work, and the girl was an incredible like food scientist, and and she understood how to pair and create synergies instead of like you know, roadblocks with the flavor profiles of the volatile organic compounds and the whatever she was using to, and then of course, you have to take into account however you're homogenizing, keep being involved, all of these things can alter the flavor and the taste. And she was just doing these really like advanced, like banana, maca, gummy, like they were just all the flavors were like ridiculous and incredible. And um I think that that can't be uh I don't think you can do that without the bioassay. Like you, you know what I mean? Like you're a chef, you need to be able to. I I imagine like being in the room with a food scientist that didn't want to dose themselves with what they were making wouldn't be able to make as tasty of a final product.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:53

Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's definitely something I asked like in the interview process. Like, you have to get high for this job, you're gonna have to taste it, you know? Like, definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:06

Absolutely. Hey, welcome, Caleb.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:08

I know, hi Caleb.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:10

How's it going, buddy?

SPEAKER_07 2:07:13

Hello, everybody. It's so great to listen to this conversation. I really enjoyed the one with Vanessa a while back, and uh um just got done seeing Space Jam at uh to try some of the new flavors, and I really like the uh adding in the mushrooms, the functional mushrooms to scare those three categories towards actual effects because, like you said, the the source flower does not oh that's a nice Ganoderma right there.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:45

Dude, this was growing in my backyard, like 200 feet behind my house, bro, like on a giant tree.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:52

Like at reachable level, or did you have to use a ladder or like it was okay?

SPEAKER_04 2:07:58

So the tree had fallen and it was over a creek, and this was growing like upside down out of the tree, like this. Wow, wow, like into the humidity of the creek, like down into the creek, but the creek was cold. Uh-huh. Like it was a it's always cold, and so um, yeah, I I'll be honest, when I first found it, I'd been hunting for uh a Rishi like this for probably like three years, and I had been with groups where people were like, Oh my god, and then they'd come around the corner and have one, and I was just like I always wanted to find one. I foraged a lot of different mushrooms in my day. This one I found, and it was so beautiful uh I couldn't uh pull it off the tree. And so instead, what I did was I visited it every day for like three months, and on like the close to third month day, I went to look for it and it wasn't on the tree. And thankfully uh it had fallen and it the water had taken it and like bumped it onto the rock, and so it was it wasn't even sitting in the water, it was just sitting on the rock, and I just picked it up and I was like, Oh my god, like what a special, you know, what a special mushroom, you know, the immortality mushroom. So, yes, please continue on. I would like to get deeper into the conversation of nootropics. Uh you named almost everyone aside from maybe Chaga. Uh, when you you mentioned cordyceps, you mentioned turkey tail, you mentioned Rishi, uh, you mentioned uh oh, what was the first one you mentioned?

SPEAKER_02 2:09:36

Oh, lion's mane.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:37

Lion's mane, of course. That's so funny. Out of all the ones that I didn't remember, it's the one that helps you remember. I know that's the neurogeneric. Yeah, it's funny.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:48

Before spatium, I worked on a mushroom farm here locally, and I saw like what mushrooms do for people, you know, just like how women would come there with like ovarian cancer and they would talk about their tumor shrinking and stuff. And I just thought it was like, you know, I know we talked about the cancer thing and not telling people, but people want hope, and I just saw hope in people's eyes. I just really wanted to say that, you know, that would come there, and this is like what would be working for them. And um, obviously, turkey tail is like the number one most researched mushroom, especially with like chemotherapy and everything like that. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:26

I have some of it. And patients are looking for things like that, you know. This is one of the things is where we were created. And remember, we have to remember our roots is that we come from helping sick people, right? And they respond to this and they respond to those products because there's so few of products, there's so few manufacturers looking at um health and wellness. Sure, they're happy to pump out sugar and THC, but you know, those that are focusing on the wellness are we respect that greatly, Wendy. So just we're we're imploring you to keep on doing what you're doing because uh patients are responding and are looking for these types of products. So you're on to something that others are looking for. So thank you.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:13

Oh, thank you. Yeah, I just like wonder like about the terpenes, you know, like about how people say, I just think it's all about how you want to feel. You know, I think you can really, you know, make create a product for like how you know to make it how that person wants to feel, especially with like edibles and the mushrooms definitely help with that because you're not gonna get that with like the strains.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:35

Well, 11 hydroxy uh metabolite and THCA are different. They're very different, very, very different. Yeah. And so obviously they're gonna lead to different places. Colin was asking you a question about things in the queue, and you were talking about Vanessa and working together. Is this something that's gonna be a collaboration? It's going under both your brands, one of your brands.

SPEAKER_10 2:12:00

this like a marigold sweets is this a you know what what what what how is this coming out we're working on it developing the recipe because okay so Wendy's gummies are vegan right and and uh just there's no kind of allergens in her kitchen so I can't walk in there with my like I'm known for kind of dairy like you know uh Laura Seacord and C's candy style chocolates infused with you started with cold water hash and then um you know had to work with property dispensaries and they were kind of they had certain standards they wanted me to operate by but excited to go back to cold water hash and we're still like we're working on it and um but yeah it's gonna be a vegan allergen friendly I I wish I could get rid of sugar but it's just hard monk fruit is hard to as a confectioner it's hard to cook with in that way um like you could do the syrups like you could do things with with it in that form but I haven't really seen it used as a candy um I do understand like from a diabetic perspective but at that point it's like gosh I'm sorry I hate to plug my cookbook but get an oil and make uh you know make a salad dressing and you can have whatever you're whatever you're eating at home can be infused. You don't have to take an edible I like Wendy's gummies because it's like it's dosed I I know I'm what I'm getting and you know it's nine grams of sugar or not sugar but candy in total and it packs a punch. I wish that the state would like let everybody just kind of have higher doses because that's when I first started under Prop 215 you could do 25 milligram like it was 100 milligrams total for the package and you could I don't even think there was a limit on that but yeah you could do higher milligram uh edibles and that would for me people loved those those were my best sellers were like 25 milligram chocolates because people wanted more potency for the the candy or whatever they're eating yeah because I feel like there are savory options how do they do Etienne in the store like if there's chips and crackers and all of those nuts and things that people have put out do you know how do they do they don't do good yeah they don't do well savory doesn't do as well as uh sweet because traditionally people are looking for something sweet.

SPEAKER_06 2:15:21

Um now there have been you know various options but they're a niche they're not necessarily something that is but people do look for it but the masses do not but there are specific people who are looking for like breakfast items. There are people looking like you know not your gummy you know what I'm saying because everything's a gummy you know so there's there's niches people are trying to fill but you know things like pretzels were fine you know but that's a savory option that's easy to eat and ingest but if you go like a quiche nobody's going to nobody's going I would love a quiche at a party right like if you made me a quiche for a cannabis like hey come I'm making an infused brunch we're gonna have quiche and it's that's got a little either in the custard or in the crust uh and then there's other things with it that are not infused so you can kind of enjoy those and have sauces to like up the ante but obviously like from a shelf life perspective like sugar is a preservative and that's like something that helps to preserve uh the edible which people like they hold on to them they really do like I have people who who I started making marigold sweets in 2010 really like selling them out of a broken microwave in a clothing store and people like for would message me 10 years later and be like I still have boxes and I'm like you need to throw them away like they are done like they are like unless you want to like encase them in bronze or something like you just they're not edible they're no longer edible edibles. So um yeah that they have to have a good shelf life they have to be able to go through quarantine um all of that that Wendy is like that's why you know what are the expectations of you right you have to have a product that can sit on a shelf sustainable and absorbable for what up to a year plus right so that is in itself its own challenge depending on you know it requires all of your ingredients to fall into that you know lifespan right so that's its own challenge because you can't have one part that's biodegradable before another part otherwise your product's gonna degrade in the packaging right that's why everything is a gummy like there's a reason why everything's a gummy because people want gummies that's why it's just like vitamins you know like they we digest it you know like the way we digest the gummy too yeah I would love to do a like a a dry packaged mix whether that's like you know to make a hot cocoa and you could do that with with an alternative sugar you know because it and find a way there's all sorts of ways to I got my mom entry and there was a T that was a 20 to 1 20 C B D to one THC and again that was for an elderly patient who didn't want to inhale but was looking for something that was close to normal right uh and that was again an easy barrier to entry right because again it was a dry product it was a dry leaf product right that was then you know water activated that seems to have a sustained shelf life but it didn't seem the tease really caught on uh as well as you know as as Marcus said you know everybody wants gummies buy gummies I mean we saw we saw regular companies trans transmute from their regular vitamin pills into gummies because the consumer wants gummies apparently just for even their vitamins right and their intakes our flintstones we used to eat were these hard obnoxious terrible things that once you tried to swallow them it was just like ah but now flintstone vitamins I still need five of them I are you kidding those are elite listen now they're in a good dummy form and now they are elite right whereas earlier they when you chewed them in the dry form they were not necessarily the most palatable situation.

SPEAKER_10 2:19:45

I want that texture I'm gonna they better put out they better put out uh of that texture again because I need to feel it before I go like it's such a incredible it's such a memory please it was such a memory it would unlock dude I remember my mom would catch me eating more than one and be like hey stop eating them oh I just want this purple one I didn't like the purple what was your favorite what was your favorite color slash flavor they all tasted the same but I got the purple grape yeah dude there was always the least amount of purple ones too and my sister wanted the purple ones and I'd be like I need to get the purple one yeah the terrible orange too was like did you ever have that like kind of banana or bubblegum flavored like anti or uh the um what's it called the oh my god my brain that that saucer when you have a bacterial infection you take a antibiotic uh the one yeah they would give you a spoonful of it and it would it was like pink and it just banana or some kind of like kind of artificial flavor but I just would I was like oh I hope I get to take that again because it and that's it it's like Mary Poppins right a spoonful of sugar that one I didn't like you didn't like but I know exactly what you're talking about it was a banana flavored Pepto Bismol.

SPEAKER_06 2:21:14

Kind of I preferred the coke syrup when my mom used to give us when we had upset stomach she'd just give us straight coke syrup. Yeah that it was good really wow yeah and this this is a 70s so you know that was a thing that they would give you could buy actually you could buy the coke syrup at the pharmacy and mom would keep it in the fridge for when you were up at upset stomach and give you a spoonful of that whatever that was it's the stuff that makes you go to the pharmacy today for the ulcer medication.

SPEAKER_10 2:21:46

Well my mom used to give us a sh like a shot of whiskey or at least she would give me a shot of whiskey if I had like a cold or something like and I couldn't go to sleep. A hot cotton she'd heat it up put it with a little bit of honey or something she like let me sip it yeah she would sweeten it for me for sure I I think yeah I just remember getting whiskey when I was when I had I couldn't go to sleep and I had like a bit of a cold she'd be like here maybe not a full shot like a little but as a kid you feel like whoa that's not a good thing to do right oh well I don't drink now so it's not really it's not interesting to me.

SPEAKER_04 2:22:34

Yeah it seems like it's less and less interesting to many I will tell you from someone's perspective who has not been drinking my whole life and grew up in an incubator of alcoholism where everyone was just like thought I was an alien for not doing it.

unknown 2:22:49

Right.

SPEAKER_04 2:22:49

Um mostly I'm stoked to not have like you know any liver or kidney or like problems from from that. I have a lot of friends that also don't but I have some that unfortunately did and some that that didn't make it uh or whatnot. I'm just I cannot believe how hard it was to have that position back then and how easy it is today. It's such a relief. I feel like I was from the future back then because I was telling everyone I was like it's poison like you're drinking poison. Like I say to people they'd be like oh hangover it's just because I never had a hangover that I'm like what's that like it looks terrible they're like oh it's like a bad flu sometimes it can be a really bad flu. I'm like okay so time out you drank like 160 days this year you had 75 bad hangovers if I got the flu 75 times in one year I think that would kill me. It would certainly stunt my growth and start and stunt my brain and stunt my everything like holy shit like a bad flu is is pretty shitty.

SPEAKER_06 2:23:53

I just couldn't believe my friends were willing to suffer those consequences each time I just uh I can't wrap my head around it but I'm stoked for young people nowadays they can just get like gummies and go get herb and like they just they don't have to eat drink like it's it's quite amazing choices right not just choice right I just want to say I'm thankful that you know suppositories didn't catch on because I would not like to have the you know the hash church suppository episode you know what I'm saying that's asked church and I feel like we've done it before I feel like we've done it before inventories totally are a good thing you don't like this is how it starts to the point where we have to have an episode you know I'm not saying that they're not a bit there's such a good mechanism especially for women I remember on Bong Epetit do you remember fora oh yes we had a we had issues carrying that product because of how people communicated to the individuals and how the individuals communicated about a sexual lubricant on the floor it's an HR nightmare is all I'm saying oh my god people can't have they can't talk about sex in a mature way like really it's a Bay Area it gets graphic real quick sister on both sides of the fence because it really is a good it is a good like route for bypassing like for people who can't feel edibles um like but you you want to like listen you got that's a what is it called when you do that with other drugs and you put it up your bummming it yes I think it's a yes yeah you can boof it and that's cool like suppositories are just you know and then you'll take a relief you'll take a you'll take a really nice shit after and that's wonderful too oh my goodness let's stay regular let's have all the options I sit corrected apparently we're gonna have uh we're talking about it because it's important to talk about because there shouldn't be a shame around no no no sickness very much a medicinal need I was just saying amongst the populace but yes there is a very much a medicinal need and there is and you're talking about a very unique as well as a part of society that we that has sensitivity they can't inhale right they either have a wall or how about Crohn's disease like joints wasn't going to do anything for his colon he needed IBS exactly Drake's in the room right now saying that uh I ain't scared of a suppository for the relief they bring it's like exactly hello and for women for like uh PMS and just our a month painopause oh my gosh all of it it's just really like you know it has it's beneficial and that's where there's just so you cannot doubt the the medicinal benefit of this plant.

SPEAKER_04 2:27:06

I think when you have a problem in your peripheral organs your intestine you know the it the the most sense is a suppository you don't need to to consume something into your stomach to have it metabolize in your liver to have it uh going the other direction is a different pathway it leads to a different experience like completely it's not the same be direct be direct yeah exactly it's the same way if you had like some crit like Rick Simpson when he got the the the cancer on his nose he he wasn't rubbing it on his elbow it's like no no no i i figured i would rub it on you know the spot where it i had the thing it's like oh are you sure because uh medicine says you should rub that on the on the bottom of your elbow it's like oh well and western yeah and western medicine tells you you should take it as a pill so it goes through you as opposed to directly on you which is again a failure of West of Western medicine but also a secret of eastern medicine right go directly to the source why are we bypassing it yeah have you mark ever or anyone have ever like heated up like hash and just ate it that way without like anything else yeah it definitely uh works in fact I'll tell you a story I didn't even heat hash up I had hash just on me I was going to Amsterdam and I was sitting next to breeder Steve and he was like oh I want to eat edible and I was like well all I have is like this I don't know it was like a gram and a half or whatever and he just like he was like oh that'll do and just ate it with like oysters and like bread and butter and like he ate all this plain food that we were I get I can't remember if we were in first class we were definitely at the front of the plane um anyway he got destroyed like completely destroyed like he was like in a coma barely talking at one point I could hear him whispering a word and I had to put my ear super close to his mouth and he was whispering like but like a hundred times slower than that like it was insane I even was like the whole experience wasn't that great for me but Steve is the guy that would like you know smoke DMT or even worse Salvia and hit the floor and do circles and like have this crazy terrifying experience and then jump up five minutes later and be like oh my god we should do that again like that's just who he is so he has no problem eating a gram and a half of hash he didn't heat that up so I don't know how that happened if that was butter what the experience was but I know for a fact I was there. I know for a fact I did not decarb that bubble and I know for a fact Steve was destroyed by it. So what's the science behind that?

SPEAKER_10 2:29:57

I don't know but he definitely it's decarbing it only well no it's just like in the process of so how is hash made you're cutting down the flour like slowly over time it is very even if it's a small amount because it's so concentrated in how many grams did he eat?

SPEAKER_04 2:30:22

Oh but but timeout of like 73 U, the real 73 U before a 90 like 70 plus percent THCA like it was full melt six star bubble hash.

SPEAKER_10 2:30:37

Right and how long did you have it on you like from like how old was it?

SPEAKER_04 2:30:42

You know what it probably wasn't overly old but I I it could have easily been a week.

SPEAKER_06 2:30:48

And how much butter did he eat right a tablespoon of butter probably which is a lot of butter.

SPEAKER_10 2:30:53

So we're gonna say let's just say 10% decarped right just 10% of 70% that's 70 milligrams right let's say maybe more than that decarped over that I don't know how you stored it maybe you were really good about all of that that would be my instinct is like he ate he ate a good amount I don't know what his tolerance was could he eat a lot of I don't really remember him eating a lot of weed before that but he just at that point in time he seemed like a guy that was always willing to do whatever to get destroyed. Okay so yeah he might have overestimated his tolerance and was like if it even 10% of it that's 70 milligrams he's doesn't know that that he thought it was nothing he doesn't know what that is he doesn't he's not doing that math.

SPEAKER_06 2:31:45

And but the butter and the butter is helping the lethetin and the bread right because how do you use let soy lethal thin to break down and that'll break down your cannabis even more so I used that as a secret originally uh you were saying but that's about you know heating well you know look at lassies and bong lassies they're traditionally a hand wrung drink that was usually for 20 minutes by ringing it causes a heating of the cannabis which breaks it down with the milk fats which makes it more absorbable for the body and that's why we can get wicked high off those banglass getting a concentration and not only that a smooth run into your liver and a smooth conversion into the alexy hydroxy metabolite that goes literally purely into your blood system and I have seen the effects of just one tablespoon of leaf what it can do to an a well seasoned individual you know so and that's just leaf. Now when you talk about a concentrate of a gram and a half of water hash I mean yeah I'm not into getting uncomfortably high on Joe's territory considering all the other activations that he had in his system right I do look forward to the day I can dab on a plane I think that would be amazing little dabs you know maybe somehow they're contagious you capture it somehow I don't know I'm sure someone out there in their basement right now in Idaho is trying to figure it out for us though people in prison would say they would get the last little pinch of a butt as opposed to smoking it they would put it in their cheek and gum and chew it for 20 minutes and then eat a Reese's peanut butter cup which of course has soy lethatin in it and then chew that with it and then swallow that and get high the entire day off of something like that as opposed to just smoking it and getting that hour high that you were gonna get so that's that's from people I know in prison.

SPEAKER_11 2:33:51

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:52

Huh true you know um I mean when I went to China and I saw like Like the plants like growing on Mount Taijon and like haven't like smoked all week or like a week and a half or something. I was like, I saw where you could take the plant, like and then put it in your armpit or whatever. So I wouldn't be smoking it, or they wouldn't, you know, putting on my body to like see if I could get high. I swear I was high, but I was also like walking up a mountain, you know. But yeah, kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:24

Damn, it's kind of crazy that shit's so serious over there that you can only stick bud in your armpits to try and get high.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:31

Otherwise, you could be like I was like with my kid. Okay, what are you doing with that?

SPEAKER_06 2:34:35

It's just in my armpit. Okay, okay, you're cool.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:38

I know. Well, you're like watching. You're like, whoa, look at these plants are just growing like this. This is crazy with like bud structure and all that, you know? Yeah, I don't know. Just in China, so yeah. Wow. Well, um, okay, so that's not heating it up, but has anybody heated up bubble hash and just ate it?

SPEAKER_04 2:35:03

I mean, if you heat it up, you're gonna decarbose. You're talking about like just heating it up a little or decarbing it?

SPEAKER_02 2:35:09

Well, decarbing it and then eating it. Yeah, you guys have, yeah. Like, what was that experience like? Do you feel like you needed a fat? Do you feel I was like wondering?

SPEAKER_07 2:35:20

I did not feel like I needed a fat at all. And I think like a similar experience most people can do is if they eat any reclaim from like their their Puffco or their dabber, like that's oh my god, no way. It's been eat it's been heated to you know 300 some, but I think actually like hash historically longer than it's been it's been eaten, and the most common way to prepare it is actually just to boil it, which is actually the perfect decarb temperature. And so, like, there's way more recipes of um boiling plants and and even boiling hash if you go way farther back in history.

SPEAKER_04 2:36:00

Um, and it's because it's equal, it's homogenization, it's like it's not there's no hot spots, there's like uh it is the it's clean, it's a super easy way to do it to sous vide or to you know it's controlled, so they're like they're putting it in directly into the boiling water, which will also like you know, chlorophyll is water soluble, so you're gonna kind of clean it in that way too.

SPEAKER_10 2:36:30

But I will say, you know, one thing that people talk about with water is our terpenes as well as like and what happens to them. Um I do think that using water and boiling water to to decarb and having that controlled even heat over it, is a it's a good way to make sure that you're not creating any degradation.

SPEAKER_06 2:37:03

And at what point do you're heating uh uh in the water? People I've known have actually done it instead and and tried it, they said like not past 72 minutes. Once you go past 72 minutes, then it really starts to not be as um high potency as it was. Is there any truth to that rumor control?

SPEAKER_10 2:37:24

I haven't I I mean it's in my I did lab testing on boiling, well not boiling, I did 180 or 190 for uh decarbing Sous V and it was butter infusion rate.

SPEAKER_02 2:37:44

So was it just a flour in like this is flour, yeah. In a vacuum seal bag, so in a vacuum, like two hours.

SPEAKER_10 2:37:53

So for two hours at where's my fucking temperature here? Oh wait, it's up here. 200. So under a boil, boiling's 212. Um, I did it for 102 hours and it was done within an hour. It was de hard. So you could do it for longer. I didn't see it start to degrade. I think that's harder to do than people think. For me, I just don't like wasting time. I just got other things to do than be babying a pot of of you know, of like even if it's you've got a a water circulator that's doing the the heating for you, which you should have. Um, I'm too, I don't even bother with that because they always break on me. Um they have to buy a new one. Um but it it doesn't it's more so when it's exposed to light. So like how you store cannabis and how you store concentrates, like and obviously temperature too, but like in the oven it has these heat blasts, in the microwave, it has these heat blasts. So, how do you kind of avoid that when you're cooking and you're decarbing at home and in Wendy's case at scale? So yeah, it's tricky. But it's hard to make CBN, right, Wendy?

SPEAKER_02 2:39:36

It is hard to make CBN, yeah. Like it's really, you know, we've been doing this process for like over oh we got five years, you know. So just like, and every time we make the product, it's just like new learning experiences each time, you know, because there's not a lot of research. I like talk to Harry, the guy that makes like treat well or whatever, and we were we're talking about it, and he's like, no one's making it that way anymore. It's just like too time consuming, and you know, not like people just don't see the point in it. But I was like, Well, I'm doing it that way. So if you know anyone like that's doing research on it, please use my product because and he even said, like, what other cannabinoids or what other things are in that, you know, when you're making CBN too, as you're using all that bubble hash or even all that flour too, whether parts are in it that like we're not calculating or we don't have enough research for. Yeah, I guess I was asking if like, so you just you did a sous vide. I was just wondering if anyone just took it. Like, I guess I thought people were just taking and putting it in water and putting hot water over it.

SPEAKER_10 2:40:42

I think that's what Caleb is saying that they you take hash and you put it into directly into boiling water, right? And then it because it's yeah, it's the water, it's not gonna, it's not gonna mix with the water because it's fatty, it's you know, waxy and fatty.

SPEAKER_07 2:40:59

And so the original, I guess, the recipe, the most recent recipe, I just put it in the chat. Oh, right here is like you boil the whole plant and like the stuff that floats on the top, you scrape that, and that's your boiled hash. And so, like the oldest English text that mentions hashish is a translation of a Materia Medica from India in the 1800s. And so this is a direct translation of like the common knowledge in the Indian text at the time. Hot water extraction. Hot water extraction.

SPEAKER_10 2:41:35

What do you think of yeah?

SPEAKER_07 2:41:38

Tea and so whole plants.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:43

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 2:41:44

It's tea. And uh in in China there are some like other recipes that kind of mention like collecting, uh like potentially collecting the tricomes and then like stir-frying them and then uh uh extracting them with alcohol as well. So um, you know, but in terms of like dry sifted or you know, cold water extracted hash, then being uh having a hot water post-processing thing, like that would be entirely new to to humankind as far as you know what what y'all are really describing.

SPEAKER_04 2:42:22

Yeah, that's awesome though. It tea people don't think of it as an extraction, but it is how we won the right to do extracts in Canada when we had when yeah, so when we had legal herb, everything was legal, medical and whatnot. They busted Owen Smith with a bakery at at Ted's place in Victoria. Ted Smith, sorry, Owen and Ted. Uh, I can't remember if Owen's last name is Smith. It's definitely Ted Smith and Owen. Anyway, they busted this guy with a bakery, he was doing you know all these different extractions to prepare the material to do the edibles. And so it was Canada had this like you could have an MMAR uh, but you couldn't extract, you couldn't have like hash or oil or the concentrates. And so the lawyer, Kirk Toussaud, who's an American lawyer but lives up here in Canada for the last 25 plus years, uh, he went to the judge and said, Listen, Your Honor, this is the way it's set up right now. Uh my grandma can go and buy cannabis and she's fine, she can bring it home. Uh, but if she boils water and takes that cannabis and puts it in the water, she's now done an extraction and she is now going to face up to 14 years in prison. And so the judge immediately was like, Well, that's absurd. We have to change that. Now he wasn't about to change a law because that's a lot harder than you know, you can create precedence, but that precedence is just the beginning of how long it takes to change a law, and that can be like a decade. So instead, this judge, as brilliant as he was, took the definition of marijuana in the document and he altered it. And because he was a provincial judge, he was only able to alter it for the province of British Columbia. But what he altered was that the definition of marijuana was all things marijuana. So it didn't matter if it was trichomb heads, seeds, uh, calyxes, stalks, marijuana meant all of those things. And so if you had a license like I do on my wall over there that says I'm allowed to have you know 9,800 grams or whatever, basically 10 pounds, uh, that I or 4,900 grams, basically kilos, basically nine pounds. It's um oh, what was my point? I kind of lost my point for a second there. I had a good point. Give me one second, remind me what I was saying, Colin. He's like, I wasn't paying attention. Dude, I was like packing the boat.

SPEAKER_07 2:44:56

I was kilos, kilos.

SPEAKER_04 2:44:58

Yeah, kilos of how much weed I'm allowed to have at home, but there was a point on why I was talking about my license.

SPEAKER_08 2:45:05

Um and it because you're allowed to have um the assert amount. That's something you were you were trying to go on.

SPEAKER_04 2:45:11

Yeah, but it was before that.

SPEAKER_08 2:45:12

There was an actual point the T loop.

SPEAKER_04 2:45:15

Oh, the T, right. So so to finish up the actual story, thank you, Caleb, for fucking paying attention, call it.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:22

Listen, I wasn't talking about okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:45:26

So he said basically he changed the definition, and for BC, whatever your amount was that you were legally allowed to have could now be whatever cannabis product you had. It could be pure BHO, it could be bubble hash, it could be it was no longer flour because he changed the definition of marijuana. And that it that eventually shifted to all of Canada, and they just changed the law that said, uh, you know, obviously doing an extraction became legal in Canada, which was a big deal because it meant that they understood that the resin was the medicine and that uh you can't out, it would be like outlawing strawberries. Oh, you can eat strawberries if you pick the whole bush and eat it in a salad, but if you pull the strawberries off the bush, they're now highly illegal and you can face 14 years in prison. That was metaphorically the level that they were operating at. So that got changed in one quick uh uh suit. All the Canadian lawsuits, there was, I think Allard might have been in BC, uh I don't know if it was Ontario or BC. There's a couple across Canada that basically forced their hand to give us um federally legal cannabis, both recreationally and uh medically. Because obviously they weren't they weren't gonna give it to us. We had to take it. You always have to take it. That is for sure. So, yeah, that's a whole like uh half uh well, almost a full three-quarters of an episode on edibles. I feel like we easily have another hour in me. We've talked about some kind of some of the newer things that you're kind of doing. We've talked about you know, both sides of the market. Listen, this is this happens in every aspect of every conversation, whether it's you're talking about quality, whether you talk the masses want a much lower than quality, you know. And that's for the recreational market, not medical. Medical and rack are different, you know. I tell people all the time they're like, oh, well, you gotta do this, this, and this, and have the high. It's like, no, you're thinking medical. This is a recreational product, which is on a market that you can go and buy in the same day, the most poisonous liquid known demand, legally, right? It could just you could buy a bottle big enough to kill your kid, and that's legal. And you also can go buy cigarettes, which kills just like millions of people worldwide, just drop dead from smoking cigarettes, radioactive cigarettes. That's also a recreational product. So it's hard to try and like set the bar super high for recreational products and be like, you know, this is gonna be like once you get into the more conscious products, they do lean more heavily towards the the importance, I guess you would say, of medical. Even though medical is also sold on, you know, along with the most deadly and poisonous and killing drugs known to man, now that you think of it. Both rec drugs and medical drugs have deadly compounds on both of those in both of those markets that just sell uh like hotcakes, which is crazy to think about, you know, it's like that's what you have to kind of compete with. So I love the idea of conscious, vegan, sugar-free, you know, like I love bubble hash, you know, like solventless products. I love that on the same vein. I'm fine with people making like treats and gummies, and like Etienne says, like, yeah, if only like more than one percent of people were looking for savory, it's like it's not even close. It's like a 90 plus percent to 10% of people who want sweet versus who want uh savory. So it's kind of a cool little world that everyone can just do their thing and put release what they have, and then the public will let you know whether um whether they like it.

SPEAKER_06 2:49:11

Those savory people want something unique, right? They don't want to know, they want something standard, they want something that's gonna be flavorful but umami, right? And packaging umami is a whole other elevated thing to try. I mean, creating umami is something that's you know done in the moment, done in the time, and it's a mixture of different things that come together. To then make something package it and have it sustained for you know a year, wow, that's gotta be a fucking art, right? You know, in that sense, to to craft something that's gonna meet and sustain all of those expectations, which is right the challenge, which is why there's so few products out there that you see on the market compared to gummies, etc.

SPEAKER_04 2:50:01

Right. So Quebec in Canada on the East Coast or close to the East Coast, uh, huge province right above New York and Vermont. Um, they don't allow any like there. I think you might be able to get medicated maple syrup, but everything on that you can get like medicated meat or like medicated, like they Quebec does not have gummies.

SPEAKER_10 2:50:24

Beef jerky. Yeah, it's because they don't want it. I'm sorry, I had to like eat some. Um they don't want it to be appealing to children. So they uh, you know, and sugar, you know, sweets, it's appealing to children. They're very strict about their rules for edibles. I I I am like, you know, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_04 2:50:50

It's cool in one sense, but it's like, okay, but here's the thing: this is the warped world we're living in. When those extremely um uh yeah, I get it. You don't want it to be exposed to children, you you kind of want to lean them away. But in the meantime, what's the Easter bunny bringing those children? Like they're already consuming sugar. It's it's um, yeah, I don't know. I lost my train of thought again. I didn't even need 100 milligrams.

SPEAKER_02 2:51:19

It's so crazy, you know. Like when Gavin Newsom came here um to Garberville. I'm sorry, do you mind? No. Okay, cool. So when Gavin Newsom came, um, it was like in 2015 or whatever to Garberville, and it was like right when Prop 64 was happening, you know, he came to see all the farms and he did this whole town hall. There was like there were so many farmers there. It was crazy. Um, and everyone came up and spoke and just talked about the children and about, you know, gummies and about how it's only gonna be smoking, you know, flower, and there's gonna be a one-acre camp, and all you small farmers are totally gonna be great. We're gonna, I got you, you know, we're not gonna go to edibles, we're not gonna even talk about it. We're just gonna get the flower pastoral. Well, then it comes to find out when 64 did get house, but that one-acre camp went away. And you know, you can have bigger corp, bigger acres of farms and some mega farms. So that's the small family farms here in Humboldt, like basically died, you know. And another thing is that there were edibles and we were able to do gummies. You know, it's so crazy. You know, when he was here, I basically stood there. I was the last person to speak, and I was like, hi, I'm Wendy Baker. I'm the owner-founder of Space Gem Candy. I even said candy, and I was like a single mom, and I made the candy in my kitchen. And I don't know, like it all like my kids never tried it, or it's responsible. We can be responsible as parents, you know, and uh we can do the right things. And uh he basically said no to me and was like, no, we're only gonna do the farms, you know? And well, we're like, that's just not working. We're too worried about the kids. But it's like the kids like don't even like really go to the edibles more, they go to flour more, you know? And it's like we kind of forget about that, you know. They went to like candy flavored vapes, candy flavored vapes, you know? Yeah. I mean, I remember when Gavin said that to me, I was like, I said bummer back, and I had to walk all the way back through all the farmers that just like said no that this is how this is gonna be. And I've come to find out, you know, whatever, like 10 years later, it's like the fucking candy lady that's like made it out of here from Humboldt, you know, the farm is like totally he like totally duped them. You know what I mean? It's like so crazy. I've never it was the first time I ever like saw that. Like, you're gonna be fine, you know. Like your word means nothing, you know, it's all about actions. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:53:52

I mean, I think politicians will lie to your face.

SPEAKER_02 2:53:57

Yes, they will. I mean, it's it's it gets interesting when Oregon I saw like you know, Wilde posting about how Oregon's gonna make an only single package for 10 milligrams and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 2:54:08

That's what we have.

SPEAKER_02 2:54:09

That's all you have to do.

SPEAKER_04 2:54:11

That's all of Canada. And listen, for the longest time, you could only buy 10 milligrams. Now they just started doing packs, a big bag where there's 10 little bags inside, so you can get 100 milligrams all pre-packaged, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10.

SPEAKER_02 2:54:27

That's crazy. Yeah, that's just gonna raise the price of everything. Of course, you know, and I'm like really nervous, like how it's gonna go for Canada, to totally be honest. You know, I want, and that's why it's like really important, like Vanessa, for your cookbook to like show people what you you know what they can eat and stuff. You know, it's like really important to teach people. I feel like people just don't know how to decarb, but there's like things that they can't even get over for to be able to do this.

SPEAKER_10 2:54:53

But to have tiny milligrams is just like not once you understand decarboxylation and then concentrates and you get with with bubble hash, it's so easy to put it into food. Like I put it into bulldock and put it into popcorn. You can just do anything you want with it. It's uh it's really versatile as an ingredient because it's fat soluble and then it is also alcohol soluble if you need to take it there. Um, so I I mean sorry, you know, I have so much fun cooking with it, and then I think you know what Etienne said as far as traveling and stuff, having an option, having edibles like Wendy's Space Gems, where it's packaged and it's uh, you know, it's just reliable. And homemade edibles are always gonna be a guesstimate. There's I haven't tested the T check. I wanted to take one of those machines that tests the potency and see how they compare to the labs.

SPEAKER_02 2:55:58

I thought that was only for.

SPEAKER_10 2:56:00

Are farmers like for flour and not for no? They they let you test oil. I don't think you can test like an actual finished edible.

SPEAKER_04 2:56:10

No. What kind of unit is it? Is it NIR? I'm not I don't I'm not sure how I have a little testing device right here that tests oil and hash and flour and what is it called?

SPEAKER_10 2:56:22

Yeah, what's it called?

SPEAKER_04 2:56:23

It's called uh the Neo Spectra. It's uh this little guy right here.

SPEAKER_10 2:56:30

I I think that's like a good way for people. It's like obviously it's a you know they are they're they cost some money.

SPEAKER_04 2:56:38

Yes, they're definitely not super duper cheap, but this one's really, really good.

SPEAKER_10 2:56:43

But I have to say, like I take things in for lab testing just for my guesstimates based on like the lab testing that is available on the hash that I buy at a dispensary in Los Angeles, and I can come pretty close to I'd come closer if I would test the recipe beforehand so I know the yield better. Because that's such a big people are like, how do I dose this recipe? How much should I put in? I'm like, well, what are you trying to get for your final dose per per whatever it is? You know, how many do you want to be able to eat? How potent is your input, whether that's flour or hash or you know, whatever you're using.

SPEAKER_04 2:57:29

I love using this just as a hash maker. I love to I test the material before I make hash with it. I test the hash once I've made the hash, as well as what I've cleaned out of the hash. Maybe there's a couple of grades of the hash. I I look at them as ingredients when I'm producing skews for hash. And I don't want all my ingredients to be like flour or sugar, or I want the variety so I can build the different, you know, kind of final products. And when you start getting enough different resins together, which if you guys aren't doing this for your edible company, I would implore you in the future to look at it because it's not always about putting in single uh cultivar uh extracts, but it can be about you know building really complex flavor profiles and and cannabinoid profiles by like stacking. I used to call it lucky day. And when people would be, they come and be like, Hey, could I get a little bubble? I'd be like, Yeah, here, have a little of my lucky day. And they're like, What's that? And I'm like, Well, I took like nine or ten different bubbles that I had at the bottom of each jar and I put them all in here and homogenized them, and now I'm just now I'm just smoking it, and now you're smoking it too. And it's your lucky day because you're never gonna smoke this again, you know. Because I wasn't I wasn't compounding and formulating, I wasn't measuring and writing anything down. I was just taking emptying jars into a jar. Suddenly I got 14 grams of hash, but it's from like six different jars. That's not I'm never gonna have that again. Very unlikely.

SPEAKER_02 2:58:59

I know we do always mix the hash. I don't think single culture bars are just really it's just a very hard thing to do, you know, just especially at scale, unless you're you work with that farm, but still, even with that, just like you know, just farms in and out, you know, all not all crops are great, you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:59:18

So I think one of the appeals of hash was always that it came from the field, that it wasn't from a specific, like no, they weren't cloning, like you were, and there was type one and type two plants, and all of that created a very different frequency of resin that uh, you know, people are hitting today, where it's like, let's grow everything one clone, let's only take the 90 micron hash out, let's uh, you know, which I'm not against either, but I think they both have those different feelings specifically because of how different they are uh in how you make them.

SPEAKER_02 2:59:54

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I really like that lucky day statement. That's how I should tell people about space jumps. Like it's your lucky day. You're never gonna have like, you know, this combination of hash all together because it is all mixed, you know, it's just easier to deal with, you know, just like sativa just doesn't make hash like what, you know, it's like you can't find that consistent strain. And I'm not gonna lie, you know what I mean? Like I stand in front of my company, I don't think it like helps, like with marketing terms and stuff, you know, when people are like this is sativa, but it's not, it's made with the same stuff as the indica is because you can check metric, you know, and then so it's like this is just all just yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:00:36

Indeed. Well, I think it's time for another uh puff. I don't know if I'll be hitting future booth.

SPEAKER_11 3:00:42

That's so true, right?

SPEAKER_08 3:00:45

It's back. I gotta check my freeze dryer and be back. Let's drive this.

SPEAKER_02 3:00:57

What hash company do you work for?

SPEAKER_08 3:00:59

Uh I own a company called Vestal Life Science, and uh I have a license in New York State. And um yeah, we're we've been doing it since uh, I don't know, Marcus. When did I meet you? Oh, like November? No, I'm just joking. Like 30 30 years ago, dude. Yeah, so yeah, a little while ago, you know, and uh I've been doing it a long time, and uh you know, I I like all of us here have been obsessed with this forever, so it never stops around the clock.

SPEAKER_04 3:01:31

Won't stop, can't stop.

SPEAKER_03 3:01:33

I know it's all I feel too.

SPEAKER_08 3:01:34

So yeah, but um yeah, I had a lab in Van Ice for a while. I made all the hash for PAX labs and other brands, and that is so crazy.

SPEAKER_02 3:01:44

Do you know what my friend just talked about PAX and about how they used to have a lab down there in Van Nuys, and then they closed and they just ran out of that material? They just talked about that now they're onto the new stuff, and I was like blown away. Like Joshua were like, Did he just say that? Did he just say that? Like, yeah, they didn't have a lab or you did that lab. Well, your material went that long. Think about that from 2021 to like now it's 20. Wow, dude, that's a long time. Way to go, Colin.

SPEAKER_08 3:02:14

Yeah, man. We do we personally like yo, every three days sometimes we produce and no joke, we produce 15,000 grams of finished hash.

SPEAKER_02 3:02:21

Holy shit, it was pretty baller.

SPEAKER_08 3:02:23

Like, we get in there and we'd be rocking them the systems, and shout out to pure pure pressure for for just greasing us with such a great kit, with you know, and uh we had a blast, man. We we had like just so much awesome material, and we learned a lot about farms, and you know, it was a cool experience because we had a we had a great company behind us and a good set of people, and it was a magical time for me because I was around all these other there's this like there's all these other PhDs around us doing all this other work around us in the same building, right? Um, because Final Bell and Fourteenth Round were there, and I met a lot of great people there. Um overall, it was a really cool experience, but um, but yeah, it all changed, as you know. But uh, but yeah, let me I'll be right back. Let me check this out.

SPEAKER_02 3:03:12

Sorry, that was cool. I'm just taking it.

SPEAKER_08 3:03:16

Yeah, that's cool that you know about that, but it was a really cool setup, it really was a special one.

SPEAKER_11 3:03:22

So yeah, Vanessa, you are like sitting there, you're like I just listening a hundred milligrams in and three hours ago, too.

SPEAKER_04 3:03:40

Like, that's like you are like in the zone, three hours ago.

SPEAKER_10 3:03:44

I so wanna like start doing some yoga or something, but I'm just like trying to just you know, I'm like paying attention and just cross my legs and my chair.

SPEAKER_06 3:03:57

I mentioned earlier that I was gonna see her cheeks are all just locked.

SPEAKER_10 3:04:02

Yeah, I'm just kind of hanging out, yeah. It's just it's so nice to uh it was I had to have that little snack because I get there's no stopping me when the munchies hit. I have to I have to take a little I have to eat and then you know that becomes a thing. It is that was fun, and then that kind of helps when you have a little something in your stomach, I thought it it helps kind of let it really kind of get get fun. And then then when we're finished, I'm just gonna keep on snacking. I made a mistake, so I've been testing trying to use alternative milks to make a a caramel. And I made a one yesterday, but I messed it up. So I turned it into a cake. And so that's gonna be like my next little snack. Is this like it was sesame? I was using sesame milk, and then I was like, Well, I'm gonna put some sesame butter in it too, and then I put too much. Anyway, I just fucked it up and I was like, Well, shit, I'm not throwing this away. So I put some eggs in it, and then I put some a little bit of flour in it, and I baked that. And guess what? I thought it was absolutely delicious. So I'm gonna have some of that. And I'm always thinking, like, what's my next little sweet treat? What's I love to eat. And I think that's really where edibles kind of any cannabis and just like smoke, any just yeah, getting high in general has been such a big uh a big helper in my life. Uh it's just kind of opening my appetite more and how helping more make me feel comfortable reminding me that I love food. And I love how I love how food tastes. And I you know, people love gummies because they're so much fun to eat, right? Because they're chewy. If you like sour sour gummies, ooh, I love a sour gummy.

SPEAKER_03 3:06:09

Brush out the dryer.

SPEAKER_10 3:06:12

Wait, what did you just bring that straight?

SPEAKER_08 3:06:15

Oh, yeah, always. Straight back to the bench.

SPEAKER_10 3:06:19

So big hey Brian, what's up, dude?

SPEAKER_06 3:06:21

Oh, it's good to see you. Oh, every day, all the time.

SPEAKER_10 3:06:26

Hi, Brian.

SPEAKER_05 3:06:28

Hi there.

SPEAKER_04 3:06:29

Welcome, buddy. Fuck, that's been so long, dude. How many hash churches ago was the last time you were on church?

SPEAKER_08 3:06:36

I was just thinking of you yesterday, dude. I was just so funny. I was like literally washing.

SPEAKER_04 3:06:41

I was like, man, I gotta hit up Brian.

SPEAKER_05 3:06:43

Like, yeah, thinking of you too. Seems like yesterday, but it was so long.

SPEAKER_04 3:06:47

Yeah, it really was, man. Main representing main via via Cali.

SPEAKER_05 3:06:56

Yeah, I heard you had some edible folks family on today.

SPEAKER_09 3:07:00

Yeah, have you ever had lobster with cannibutter? Did you have you done that?

SPEAKER_05 3:07:08

No, I have not.

SPEAKER_09 3:07:10

Ooh, that would be so much fun.

SPEAKER_04 3:07:13

Listen, first of all, you guys should go to Maine and hook up with Brian because let me tell you, go look at his hash that he has on Instagram. He makes some of the nicest bubble hash, like, like, period.

SPEAKER_08 3:07:27

We can all drive up there. Um ridiculous.

SPEAKER_10 3:07:31

Wow. Yeah, yeah. Let's do a big, let's do a big dinner party. Let's start throwing some parties, Wendy.

SPEAKER_04 3:07:39

Do an outdoor party at Brock. I have I have the event in Denver, uh, for at least. I know I don't have an event anywhere else yet, but uh a space. But in Denver, I have the ultimate space to do an event.

SPEAKER_09 3:07:53

Should we do an event? I would so love to do that in Denver.

SPEAKER_04 3:07:56

I'm telling you, here while we talk, I because I always do this. Make it happen. I'm gonna show Brian's hash.

SPEAKER_05 3:08:03

So this is like Wendy, too.

SPEAKER_11 3:08:06

Oh hi, yeah, Wendy, how are you? It's been so long. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 3:08:13

Oh boy, there's some I've been putting in a little work with the 120 micron actually with those big heads.

SPEAKER_04 3:08:22

That is like Pietelid out. He's cute, sweated. Like, look at it, it's full mount bubble. It looks like rosin.

SPEAKER_10 3:08:29

Wow, that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_11 3:08:31

You know, it does look like rosin. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 3:08:34

No, I'm still working on that stuff. Like the gas mask rules. I only have two types that are making it for me, essentially. I actually have my third type. I'm really excited for my my fruity. Um, my gas strains are the ones that hold texture correct and coloration secure.

SPEAKER_00 3:08:53

It's just ridiculous, dude. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 3:08:58

I'm not finding it to be made with every like even other really high-end industries bar hashes. It seems to be that the genetic, like strain-specific element to holding the color, at least with the way I make it.

SPEAKER_04 3:09:11

The video doesn't even do it justice, too. That's the other thing. If you you can you can't see the sparkles the way it would diamond out in like uh the sun. Oh my god, dude.

SPEAKER_05 3:09:22

It's prettier in person. I'm trying to whip up fast this 120 to show you some of this. Here it's kind of glotty there, but that was a 90, the stuff you were showing there, dude.

SPEAKER_04 3:09:34

All of it is just outrageous, all slightly different colorations. Here's the GMO clone and gas mask male 207 headband, 90 bag fresh frozen nug run.

SPEAKER_05 3:09:47

Yeah, that one's a three-way between my 207 headband.

SPEAKER_04 3:09:51

And what poetic language you have. New girl is pretty, and she stinks. Smells up the room, makes her presence known. Very strong, really packs a punch, dude. I need to get out to to uh to Maine and and check you out, bro. For real.

SPEAKER_05 3:10:08

I would love that.

SPEAKER_04 3:10:09

I'm going to Boston for Nikan.

SPEAKER_05 3:10:11

I'm gonna be in Boston. Yeah, I'll see you there. Really? Yeah, no way, maybe under the homegrown section.

SPEAKER_04 3:10:22

Dude, that would be amazing. That that would be pretty darn amazing. That's in like 10 days.

SPEAKER_05 3:10:28

Yeah, a friend of mine down there hit me up. So I'll see you down there and have a couple things on the board there.

SPEAKER_04 3:10:33

No, no, no. Bring all of the things on the board. I need to smoke them all.

SPEAKER_05 3:10:39

Yeah, I will. I'm gonna have examples with me to share. That'll be awesome. That's the great that's really cool.

SPEAKER_04 3:10:47

How crazy is that?

SPEAKER_05 3:10:48

That's amazing. Hopefully, see a little. I know a couple other people going to that. Makes my day to hear you going, Marcus.

SPEAKER_04 3:10:55

Yeah, yeah. I uh didn't know too much about it, but uh uh my partner Thomas from Grandmaster LED, who I think he's in Berlin right now at the ICBC. He has a booth for uh Grandmaster LEDs, and he was like, Do you want to come and rep us at the booth? And I said, Absolutely, come bring all the good folks to the booth, and we can show them all the lights, and I'll be able to kind of bump into uh the people. I'm I'm in the middle of signing a deal for Bubble Man brand out there right now. So amazing, gonna go hang out with you guys. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, please do, dude. Oh god, totally Jesus. This is exciting. Yeah, by the way. You probably weren't on earlier when Vanessa gobbled down a hundred milligram fucking space. Well, I can I should have said it accurately.

SPEAKER_01 3:11:45

Down the hatched.

SPEAKER_04 3:11:46

She oh my goodness, she downed the hatch. That was the example, like three hours, dude. Wow, hanging hard.

SPEAKER_10 3:11:57

I know people always doubt me, and I'm like, you can watch me live.

SPEAKER_04 3:12:01

Like, I I didn't doubt you when you ate it. I was like, no, this is something she does. This is not her first rodeo.

SPEAKER_10 3:12:08

This is not my first rodeo. Giddy up, let's go.

SPEAKER_04 3:12:14

I will say that I have friends that were like, you know, like I won't mention who because it kind of throws them under the bus, but uh he was like, Hey, uh, you know, you you've invited me on to church. I'm excited. I really like this. Was in the peak of church when we had our most listeners, and it was like we were really like quite an entity at the time, and he was nervous. And he was like, Should I like smoke a joint? Like, should I? I'm like, dude, do whatever you want. Like, there's no rules. Like, you just come on and talk and be authentic. That's the rule. Be authentic if you can. That's what we're looking for. Um, he's like, Okay, I'll smoke a fatty. Comes on, smokes this huge fat joint in the first 10 minutes, then proceeds to get so destroyed that he doesn't talk for the next four hours. Like he's just sitting there almost quiet. And yes, if you go through all 267 episodes, you'll find out who I'm talking about. But I doubt you have it in you, listeners. But I dare you, but I dare you, triple dog dare you. Maybe we'll have him on again and he can tell the story because it was hilarious. Even hit me up later.

SPEAKER_06 3:13:21

You can't go straight to Triple Dog Dare, man. That's you know what?

SPEAKER_04 3:13:25

It's 2026, I think. The edge. You can't yeah, but that's where we live now. We live on the edge. It's the raise.

SPEAKER_06 3:13:31

What are you gonna say for 2027?

SPEAKER_04 3:13:35

I don't know. We're cut. I'm still, by the way, by the way, I haven't stopped watching this. I've been watching it the entire time. I just go to the next video.

SPEAKER_10 3:13:51

It's just so buttery, it is so buttery.

SPEAKER_04 3:13:54

I'd love to the texture is so good. I know can you imagine the special special batch of gummies that you could do with hash of that caliber? Those would be, in my opinion, the six-star gummies. Oh, that's a good idea. Pia Tello. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:14:15

That's like what I'm debating. I have like this, like this really good hash maker, her name is Lena. I guess she used to work under Frenchie. She's a really good hash maker here and washes really a woman's farm, catch a cloud, and yeah, like it's like amazing. Like the hash that's being made out of there, and I'm like, dude, can we like take this and put it into a gummy? Would it matter? Like, do you think people would like to of course it would?

SPEAKER_04 3:14:39

The same way you're doing things that other people don't think matters, but you know it matters, of course it matters.

SPEAKER_02 3:14:47

Do you think that we should come out with like a higher price?

SPEAKER_04 3:14:52

But but listen, yes, a small and think of it, think of it as your your podium product, it's a small percentage. You're not making a lot of this. This is like special, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:15:04

You're making like Dom Perignon, right? We all carry the beer, but we always carry a little bit of Dom Parignon just in case somebody comes looking for it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 3:15:15

Dude, imagine imagine the product has a QR code that you hit and it takes you to a video like this of the hash you used in that product being cut with a knife, just like what Brian's doing. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_10 3:15:32

I think it definitely from a from a marketing per you know and all of that perspective, edibles have always been made with like here, here make something of this.

SPEAKER_02 3:15:46

Yeah, it's the job, like the bottom of the bag.

SPEAKER_04 3:15:48

Can you do anything with this? Yeah, uh, I guess that's why it would be a neat thing to elevate an edible to be like this is an edible where we use the most special resumes.

SPEAKER_10 3:16:01

That should be the event. That should be the event in Denver is like and have experience work with work with chef, like you know, work basically kind of bon appetite style, like work with chefs or chefs uh to create a menu around the the hash and the the flavors that you have that you find um and those textures and how to play with it, how to do different ways to decarboxylate, and then also maybe not, you know, maybe leave some of it THCA so people can can get those benefits, but also just be able to eat more food.

SPEAKER_04 3:16:46

I like the idea of a master chef style, like elevating a dessert or an edible using a super high-end product, like Piatella Bubble Hash as your starting material. And it's filmed in a beautiful environment, beautiful kitchen, and it's just like just show us what you got, you know. We just want to see what you came up with. Maybe there's a sort of some some really great judges, you know, like maybe, you know, like yourselves potentially. If you're not competing in the thing, you'd be judging it. But something along that lines where it was just like, you know, it's not about like winning a trophy, it's about like creating novelty and taking something to another level and pushing everyone, kind of being like, damn, like these people are good at this. This is exciting. Now I feel like I'm not too sure how well I'm gonna do in this, and then you end up saying something of some excellence gets pulled out of that. Not to mention, uh, yeah, just diamonds come from pressure.

SPEAKER_02 3:17:49

I feel like I like I'm really appreciative of this conversation just because I feel like everyone's just like, you know, yeah. I mean, I feel like I post my material on my Instagram. For people to be able to see. And they're like, that's the bottom of the Ben Magger. This or that. I'm like, no, it's not. But no, it's not. But you know, obviously Brian's like showing, but like I think that pushing the consumer, maybe the consumer's there now with like education to like try. Like, this is the yeah, that's a really good point. I guess it's like the next level. Thanks for that. Because sometimes I feel like, you know, like I'm already doing ice water, how much these other companies aren't? Like, what other thing can I go to? You know, and I'm like fighting against them with prices, with buyers, like thinking that it's just like a regular gummy, you know. So like trying to even some I think that's the like it's a wonderful idea.

SPEAKER_10 3:18:44

Like, I love this concept. As a manufactured edible, like when you really if you want to be honest about it, consumers are trying to buy price per milligram, yeah, and they're looking at predominantly THC.

SPEAKER_00 3:19:02

100%. That's like 90%.

SPEAKER_10 3:19:04

So if you're increasing that in that the price of that ingredient by that much, like the people like they just maybe there is that market. I think it would it's pretty niche.

SPEAKER_04 3:19:19

It would be super niche, it would be a tiny market, and it would not be something that you would build beyond that, most likely. It could, it could spark off.

SPEAKER_10 3:19:29

You'd have to like work with the labs or something because the if you're doing like a small batch is great, but when you're doing lab testing on a batch, like that price.

SPEAKER_04 3:19:41

So if you have a small batch of like say, okay, we're gonna try doing this many of this, say a thousand eight hundred dollar lab tests, we're talking 80 cents per unit, or what you know, that's a well I when I say small, I mean like maybe like five to ten kilos, you know, nothing that's massive that's gonna be huge for some monster market, but even trying to find five kilos or a kilo of hash of that caliber, it's not impossible. I see it, but it's definitely a very, very niche. You're exactly correct. It would never be something that grows into something big, it would be something that would create a culture. You could create a culture around it with these sort of events where people are trying to elevate using the highest caliber resin, and that's how it makes sense. Not not necessarily as a product that you're gonna try to like outsell, you know, that I mean it's the same idea of like it'd be a niche product, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:20:40

It would be very people like it, super. I think people would buy them. I feel like Caleb would buy them.

SPEAKER_04 3:20:46

Yeah, like I I listen, it just puts you on the map, it's a small percentage, you don't spend a ton of money on it, you don't like waste a ton of time on it, you just have it available because this this niche group of people, these are the people that will talk about your product, like like a hundred, like 20 of them will talk more about your product than like 500 of the people who buy the gummies. Like, these are like a different group of people, these are the kind of people that gather on weird shows like Hash Church and talk for hours about cannabis and extracts and Google and drool at pictures of hash getting cut with cleaning.

SPEAKER_02 3:21:28

That was so beautiful. Oh my god, it does name for your farm, too. Best friend farms, like, yes, everyone wants to be your best friend with like that.

SPEAKER_04 3:21:37

Tell us about the name behind Best Friend Farm.

SPEAKER_05 3:21:40

That's a good a lot of layers, but it actually goes back, excuse me, to when I was nine years old. Um, my best friend was my cousin. We were both nine, and he passed on from lymphoma, and that's what actually it was associated to Roundup. So it kind of sent me on the path to medical cannabis from that's the from the earliest start from 95 on. I tracked it with 215 and got lucky to get the last 10 years of 215 came back here, but yeah, it's a deep-rooted story. The name right there. Yeah, that's heavy foundation right there, dude. Yeah, Travis always with me, but um kind of riding it together, and then the plants just been my all-out best friend and family, thick and thin, and all of the ups, downs, all around, still always there, always solid. So that's like you know, from deep down to present. But but hey, one idea. Well, thanks for asking about that, Marcus. I never explained the the name is kind of like it's fun, but it's and it's pleasant, but it's also deep meaning. I think best friend kind of relates to a lot of people when they think about the cannabis plant and what it's been in their life. I I kind of know it for a lot of people where we can. Yeah, yeah. And then, man, I'm digging what you're talking about though, with like these events with a a featured chef. It's just so cool to think of like a featured hash maker coming in with a chef or a featured breeder coming in. And I I know I'd be down with stuff like that, like the breeding into my special forms is proprietary, but I'd love to be like feed some forms or types or a certain consistency into some of that and think could kind of like feed into what you guys are doing with your art, and then accompanying the chef and the hash maker side, all kind of bringing it.

SPEAKER_10 3:23:40

That's what you know. For I did a show on Vice called Bong Appetite for for several seasons, and uh that was my role was really kind of being this bridge between the chef, because I knew a lot of chefs as a food writer and just being in the food scene in the Bay Area and in LA. Um and then being like this edible maker on the side using cold water hash from Humble. Um and you know, I just think that we ex we did a lot with that show, but I feel like there's so much more that can be done because the cannabis industry has come so far since it aired, you know, last aired in 2016. So not to age myself. But yeah, I always I think it's a the chefs always were this kind of light bulb would go off for them when you explain what they're cooking with and you kind of tell them that there are different uh like grades and and uh consistencies and and flavors and you know, all of those things, it it lights up their brains because that's how they cook with other ingredients. So it's really like when I think about cooking with cannabis, I really think about it from a hash making perspective, except for I'm not using ice water, I'm using butter. You know, and I'm using like what do you use a coconut oil or you know, I teach people how to cook with flour too, but um cooking with concentrates makes it so much easier and solventless uh from you know, we were talking about it earlier, not to to knock uh PHO or anything, but we just we have a preference and uh I like to cook that way and uh smoke that way. So uh yeah, I think it would be really fun. Marcus, if you've got a spot in Denver, let's plan it out.

SPEAKER_04 3:25:58

Yeah, definitely could uh get you on the phone with Kyle and uh some of the other people involved at the at the space for sure, because yeah, it sounds like a very interesting uh kind of fun.

SPEAKER_02 3:26:12

Yeah, cooking. That'd be like pretty cool.

SPEAKER_10 3:26:15

Hash church kitchen.

SPEAKER_04 3:26:17

Yep, absolutely. It's uh yeah, it's there's so many different good ideas. Uh, first of all, shout out to uh to Travis. Uh that's uh that's pretty awesome that you uh had uh um that you that you that he was a part of the foundation of the naming of your farm, and that uh you've you've kind of had him with you all these years, nine years old. That's a long time ago. Uh my son is 11 right now, so I just can't even, I just you know, his little buddy, she got cancer when she was little and it was so scary in the village. Everyone was just like, Yeah, you know, it's just like even like with the politics that people have and the different ways they find to divide one another, uh, everyone just sort of prays for sick children, you know. It's like we're all equally like just like, let's just let that be okay. Uh, so it's never okay when it when it doesn't work out like that, but uh it sounds like you honor him and carry him with you, and uh yeah, the name of your farm, dude. And I've had you on Hash Church like hundreds of times, and never asked you that.

SPEAKER_05 3:27:27

So what a what a huge dick I am. Not at all. No, I didn't explain it comes out at the time when it's meant to. People ask, you know, and wonder about it. But um, yeah, I flipped my lid when I learned about even the early days of of as far as the wasting syndrome and what it could have done for him through the chemo and radiation. Not, you know, not even the it just would have or possibly saved his life, but even like easing the suffering on the way out. And when I caught that information, just being with him that whole time, we were really close, that you know, that was what threw me. Anything that could alleviate that suffering during that time, you know, that he went through. So that was yeah, that's the root. The thing that actually happened is I I it was my junior year of high school and I wrote a term paper. And I was just took the, you know, I went with it, I wrote, excuse me, for medical cannabis, medical marijuana back then. And just using the name, even though it was medical, but marijuana on the term paper had me get like an instant D-you know. I was a decent student, kind of, you know, anyway, but uh and and good with writing. So I went deep and it was the internet had just come up to Maine and the country back then. So I sourced all these different internet, you know, sources and stuff. And it's the only way that I actually got the information that wasn't available, was the interesting thing, was on the web back then because that wasn't textbook and people weren't, it was clandestine, so they weren't talking about it. So anyway, that was kind of yeah, and then we are now you see how far it's come from that, you know.

SPEAKER_04 3:29:05

Oh, it's unbelievable. We're talking about like preferred ways of like how we eat our cannabis.

SPEAKER_05 3:29:11

Yeah, it's all going into fine edible forms.

SPEAKER_04 3:29:16

Oh my god, to me, it would be like a five-star restaurant that's like, oh, you know, if you want, sir, you can add for 50 euros the THC or cannabinoid edible product. It's like, oh yeah, well, let's try that out. You know, what's that all about? Yeah, your wagyu butter, yeah, your wagyu fucking your wagyu bubble. There you go. Uh Wendy's thinking.

SPEAKER_02 3:29:44

Oh no, I am thinking. I'm like, I wanna I thought I wagu all the way.

SPEAKER_06 3:29:50

The wheels are turning. Yes, where this hash has actually massaged the cows, not so much.

SPEAKER_02 3:29:58

I feel like I've learned so much today. Like, I'll definitely like um like tomorrow. I feel like I'm gonna go and like spew out and just talk about, you know, about how people should be eating the gummies at least every day for preventative. I'll definitely say that. You know, like really trying. I'm doing this like whole like not smoking thing and just posting myself. And so sometimes like I feel like I'm running out of content or like how to say, or like I forget. And I'm like, oh yeah, that's what I should talk about. That's right, the patent. That's right. I should talk about the patent, you know.

SPEAKER_04 3:30:29

Yeah, go check out those cannabis journal uh episodes. There's like 11 or 12. You should watch each one of them. And then Dr. Allen mentions all sorts of cool things throughout those shows. That if you're paying attention, and sometimes I put the links in the description, but most times you got to be paying attention and pause it and then do a search on the thing that he just said, and then it'll lead you down more rabbit holes of uh just good data, good information, you know. Because you can very much, in my opinion, go down a very deep rabbit hole of plenty of content, uh, down the what I would call the cannabis as a preventative medicine uh rabbit hole. Endless amounts of content for you in that. Not to mention, probably a pretty good journey.

SPEAKER_02 3:31:14

Yeah, that's true. Always elevating. I'm excited. I'm gonna go to Berlin this year. I don't know if anybody else is going to Berlin.

SPEAKER_04 3:31:21

Like tomorrow, you mean, or for Mary Jane?

SPEAKER_02 3:31:24

For Mary Jane.

SPEAKER_04 3:31:25

Okay, so yeah, so ICBC, which is the event I was supposed to go to. Uh that is starting tomorrow in Berlin. And then Mary Jane is like what is it in June or something?

SPEAKER_02 3:31:36

Yeah, I've been June. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:31:38

So I've been to Mary Jane before. It's definitely a very big event, big uh really quite a party outside beach area. They had like a late uh swimming pool floating in the river out front, which was pretty trippy. Big dock, like a floating swimming pool. It was like an infinity pool floating in the river. Okay, yeah, it was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_11 3:32:00

It was pretty wild.

SPEAKER_04 3:32:02

Yeah, not for me. I'm going to see Brian like in a week and a half in Boston. I'm gonna go have lobster.

SPEAKER_02 3:32:11

Try the hash.

SPEAKER_04 3:32:13

Maybe, maybe we will get some uh some uh maybe Brian will bring prepared butter, melted infused butter, and then we'll go have lobster, and then when we do, we'll film it, and then we'll film it to the point where we're both on consciousness on the street of Boston. How much was in there? He said uh 100 milligrams. Apparently, it was 10,000. He made a mistake. Made a slight error of uh put 10 grams in, not one gram. Oops, that's fine.

SPEAKER_08 3:32:47

I've done that before, man. I did that to an edible batch that I was testing that I made for myself.

SPEAKER_04 3:32:51

That's why everyone has a brownie story, dude. The story you're about to tell is why everyone has a brownie story.

SPEAKER_08 3:32:57

I took the whole thing, I was like, I'm ridiculously high right now. This is ridiculous. I went back to my notes and I was like, huh. That's crazy. I put that much into this batch. I tried you already eat it.

SPEAKER_04 3:33:09

It's definitely not good when it's very early on, and you're like, wow, I'm super high, and you know this is not even close to how high I'm about to get.

SPEAKER_08 3:33:19

And it was funny because like I had like written it down, like how much I actually put it. It was like I was taking, you know, like taking notes, and it's really funny. Jesus. Well, when you do come to Boston, um I'll be there.

SPEAKER_04 3:33:35

Oh, well, that's amazing. Yeah, I'm gonna see you too. I'm gonna see a crew of people. Um, who else is there? There's a bunch of other people.

SPEAKER_08 3:33:43

We're gonna yo, Brian, we should come up to you. Do you can you come down, Brian? Or do you want us to come up? We gotta come up and see you.

SPEAKER_05 3:33:49

Oh, you're always welcome up here. I don't know if I'll have time up here several times, yeah. You know, for sure. I mean, I and we're laughing. You're gonna come down? Yeah, I'm coming down to the event for sure. Cool, awesome. Yeah, sweet. Yep, I'm making a plan for it and probably staying down there.

SPEAKER_04 3:34:10

There's so many cannabis events everywhere, it's kind of unbelievable. I had never even heard of this event, and people are like, it's huge, it's like a big one for the east coast. It's like uh it's like, okay, I'll go check it out. That's what that's what my body said. So I'm like, I'm just listen, I have a different perspective right now. I don't have the I guess the best metaphor to use is the pissed off, I've seen too many shows, fish head who's complaining at the end of every show about how they played this song and that song. And if I hear another down with disease, I'm gonna throw up and uh all of these things. And it's kind of just like, dude, like it kind of sounds like you're not enjoying yourself. I think of the simplicity, and I used to, in in my defense, I used to maybe judge poorly he or she who watched sports and got into it. I you know, I'd be like, oh, they're just you know, brainwashed this and that. I just I was a pessimist about it. Since I've gotten into my own version of enjoying watching hockey, I realize if you can find the type of joy that is found in your hockey team scoring a goal or getting a point while you're watching with friends and you jump up out of your seat and put your arms up, ask your fucking self how often you do that in your life. And if you're not doing that in your life, you should find something that allows you to do something like that in your life. Because, man, I'm telling you, like to watch, like to believe in a team and invest time and watch with friends and have your team score an incredible point or goal. Uh it's the most incredible release. It's just this like you actually jump up and it's like, holy shit, like this is a good thing. This is something that like society can definitely use, like more celebration, more like like I guess you could call it spontaneous joy, like just an eruption of spontaneous joy that the person can't even uh can uh contain. This is something that you should find in your life if you don't currently have it. And as always, I'm so cooked. I forgot the exact point I was making when I went into talking about this, but it doesn't matter because the point is the point.

SPEAKER_08 3:36:31

Find more joy in your life, and um, it's not a bad show is gonna be good, that's the point, and the show will be good, exactly. That's the point.

SPEAKER_04 3:36:41

It's gonna be fun to see everyone. The point is for me, I've been kept from these shows, I've been kept from the US, and so I'm just so I'm not the pissed-off fish guy. It would, if I went to a fish show right now, it would be my first fish show in over 25 years. I would be the most happiest person in the audience. I'd be so like, I've been starved of this. So I've been starved of America and and not so much Americans, because you guys are everywhere I go, but America in your own backyard. I've been starved of that, and I have been loving it, coming down, enjoying my friends. It's just been awesome, dude. So I know I'm gonna have a good time.

SPEAKER_02 3:37:21

I feel like I enjoy every show I go to. I have so good, like just connecting, you know.

SPEAKER_04 3:37:27

Probably because you're not looking for a reason to not enjoy it.

SPEAKER_02 3:37:30

Yeah, I love it, I like love it so much. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I guess we're gonna, I don't even know about the Boston thing. That's gonna be interesting. I guess you'll have to let us know. I guess I'll be tuning in more to hear.

SPEAKER_04 3:37:44

Yes, I think I'm doing, I'm leaving. Yeah, I don't even know. I I might be doing a hash church in Boston. I have to look at the dates.

SPEAKER_03 3:37:51

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 3:37:52

There might be a hash church to be done in Boston. There's definitely one happening in Michigan and in Denver in May. I'm gonna do a couple of hash church in different states. So that should be should be fun. Go hang out with uh the Michigan hash crew uh and and visit and go check out how the hash is being made and make sure everything's on par, as I know it is with Papa Sift, Ryan, aka the Papa Sift, our hash maker down there is awesome, and then Denver as well, which I'll go and see Kyle and uh my partners Ted and um Dan. We'll see the sales guy, Drew, and Nicolette. And uh yeah, I'm just so uh when people like they start kind of getting. I'm just like, dude, you don't understand. I'm just so happy to be here. I am just so happy to be here. I can't even explain myself any other way. Yeah, so and then people in Vegas actually, I don't know if you were one of them, uh Caleb, but there were people in Vegas being like, dude, like your like positive outcome, positive outlook on America is kind of contagious. Like, I'm feeling good about it right now. I'm like, Yeah, dude, like no shit. This is awesome! Like, there's a whole there's a reason why everyone's trying to go there, you know what I mean? It is pretty awesome, like it is pretty good. Like, I didn't go to the country for almost 30 years. 30 years. I lived like right next to the border and couldn't go over. So the idea that right now I could just get in my truck and drive over the border is uh amazing. It it is absolutely amazing.

SPEAKER_08 3:39:32

Well, it's great, it's great that you're coming out east. I can't wait to see you, man. In the flesh, it's been a minute.

SPEAKER_04 3:39:38

Um yeah, like how many minutes?

SPEAKER_08 3:39:41

Dude, like years. I mean, I remember I remember when I was just building that facility in mass, I flew out to see you, my partner at the time. And then we tore Dude, that was like 2018. Dude, yeah, it was like really, it was right when Daniel was just starting to. Build those vessels and we went to his warehouse with Whistler. And you're like, Yeah, this is gonna be Whistler technology. And I was like, Okay. And uh yeah, it was like it was very, very yeah. It was like 18, 19, 2018, I think, to be honest, or 19, I can't remember.

SPEAKER_04 3:40:19

Seven or eight years ago, anyway.

SPEAKER_08 3:40:21

Yeah, it was it's a long time ago. But um we went to that facility up in um up in the mountains, and it had that really awesome lab that had the windows that went to the point and like looked at the mountain. Yeah, and I was like, damn, I want to build a lab like this.

SPEAKER_04 3:40:36

I think that was in that was in Pemberton.

SPEAKER_08 3:40:38

Like you're usually like in the city. Overlooking Mount Curry, for those of you who want to Google it. It was like it was incredible to make to make hash in that and like look at that mountain every day would have been nice to something to be said to having beautiful views while making hash.

SPEAKER_04 3:40:55

I'm uh I'm a big fan of it. I've actually been coming out in the mornings, I've got my giant dry sift screens right here. You can see them right here, they're like five footers. And uh I've been putting them out on the deck and getting the trim out. I got really beautiful sugar trim, and I've just been stacking dry sift. And soon I'm gonna film static sifting all of it into pure heads and um, you know, the tails that come off of said pure heads. So I can't wait to do it. It looks like really nice material, it feels like really nice material. As it gets warmer, it becomes less my friend. I would prefer it to stay like you know close to zero at night or early, early in the morning. So I have like an hour or two to do my hash making. Um yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_08 3:41:44

Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, those cold snaps are key in the dead of February when you don't want to actually go make hash to make hash, you know. Yeah, those like really cold, you know, you're like, oh, it's just it's been so cold so long. Do I want to go out there and be more cold?

SPEAKER_04 3:42:01

Well, it's only for dry sift. I don't do it for wet wash, the way a lot of other people work in cold rooms. I I want to have a cold room, but it can be a very small portion of the room, you know. It can be like I want to have a dry sift cold room, and then a little smaller section where I can just wheel in um my bucket with my bags and my ice underneath the bucket. So that's all cold. It's only once I get into the cold room and I lift the bags out to collect the hash. If it's of a highest quality hash, then I require a cold room. Not all of the hash requires the cold room, but instead, people just jump this giant leap of assumption and said the whole room needs to be cold. And it's like, well, I mean, fuck, that's that's hard on the hash maker over time. Like, especially in the summer, working in a cold room, like with a big parka, and then going in the warmth of the, you know, the morning and the and the night where you leave, it just seems unnecessary to me when the reactor that you're mixing in is zero degrees. You can make sure of it by, you know, if you don't have a good enough, um, I should mention this that the often the thermometer in a lot of these outfits, it's not that they're cheap at all, it's just that they're not exceptional. And so you can get your own like reader that like a proper thermometer. I know the one we put in with the Whistler tanks are really good and accurate. It's good to know the temperature of what you're working in, especially with bubble, because the when you get closer to zero, the sweet spot expands of how the resin drops, regardless of whether it's a dry resin or a greasy resin or whatever resin. Once you get it to a certain temperature, it becomes like all resin, brittle and breaks off of uh off of those stalks. So it's good to have that for sure. I almost I almost want to know what you read, Vanessa, because you you it was like you got the punchline of a joke at one point in time. She was laughing so hard, she had the hugest.

SPEAKER_10 3:44:05

It's me like I'm looking up churro places to eat, and I was like laughing at like just my mindset right now how desperate I am to be eating.

SPEAKER_06 3:44:17

I thought you were looking at recipes on how to make churros. Churros. You jumped over that at you.

SPEAKER_10 3:44:25

I don't think I should be frying anything at this point.

SPEAKER_04 3:44:29

You've already fried enough.

SPEAKER_10 3:44:30

I'm fried, and so I think I should leave the frying to somebody else, and then I I I know of a churro place really.

SPEAKER_04 3:44:38

So here's a perfect example, and you just made a perfect point by saying it. Notice how when someone is under the influence of cannabinoids, that they don't try to do something that wouldn't be smart to do. Like, for example, when people are, you know, drinking, they convince themselves they're okay to drive a car. But when people like if I ate 100 milligrams and I would be like, I and someone said, Hey, could you drive me to the hospital? I'd say, No, no, I can't. I will not drive you, and I'm not gonna operate heavy equipment right now. But at the same time, if I built my tolerance up, and there was a point where I could eat like 30 or 40 milligrams, and that was pretty reasonable for me. Um, there would be at that point I could eat 20 milligrams, and no problem, I could drive you to the hospital. So it just depends on your how you are with something. But I just have always noticed that people on cannabis, when they enjoy cannabis, if they get too high, because I this has happened to me many times, I get people too high. Every time, every time they they don't try to drive, you know, and this speaks to you know the under the influence of anything, impairment, if you will. Yeah, it goes to show that you could eat 500 milligrams and the last thing you try to do is jump in your car and go on the freeway. It's like cannabis doesn't go ahead.

SPEAKER_10 3:46:00

I I think it's an important part of entertaining when you're doing cannabis dinner parties. Um, I think it it should be a part of of whatever you're offering because yeah, it is you know, it is a if you're eating a lot of milligrams, I'm not gonna go drive to get these churros. You know, I'm gonna be driven, driven to get them. Or I would go and walk and like get some snacks or something. I love to go on a walk when I'm on an edible, but driving, um, your reaction time it's not what it should be like mine right now. I just feel slower. You don't want to feel slower when you're driving because you need to be able to respond to people on the road and they're they're on whatever they're on. You gotta worry about that too. So that's like that is is like 80% of driving is like trying to make sure the other person isn't hitting you either. So uh if you're if you're inebriated in it, or not, and I don't know, maybe that's not the right word, or if you're slowed down in any way, which I'm definitely slow right now.

SPEAKER_04 3:47:20

I've fried on on an edi on a hundred milligrams before, but uh you know I guess it's all about like and I and I the definitions of the words don't matter to me as much, but it's kind of like I guess what what mainstream, what the police, what like the they would call it um impairment. And so it's like to me, impairment shouldn't be about having a certain amount in your bloodstream or whatever, it should be about are you impaired? Like because someone some people could be on 500 milligrams and pass every impairment field sobriety test, do anything that they are asked of them, and then other people on like two milligrams, you know, could not, but in those people's defenses, they would never have tried to drive in the first place, right? It doesn't turn that part of your brain off. Alcohol completely slows you down while convincing you that it's speeding you up.

SPEAKER_10 3:48:18

Like if I had 10 milligrams, I wouldn't worry about like that, it wouldn't be a concern for me. I would go and do yoga and do a yoga class on 10 milligrams, but um a hundred is like I give myself a lot of hours to work it through my system. I eat a lot of food. I you know, if I need to drink coffee, I drink coffee just to like, you know, feel to the point that you know, I I'm not that edible high anymore. So, but I'm always like I'm it's like people like, do you drive and you're you're high? I'm like, I don't know. Like I wake up and I dab. So I don't know what to tell you. I'd rather be like that than not, because if I'm not, it's like that.

SPEAKER_02 3:49:12

I'm just thinking of your threads. That's where my brain goes. My my threads? Oh my god, you know, so like in the morning, that's what I'm like.

SPEAKER_10 3:49:25

That's me without a dub, and I've just read the news, and I'm like, oh my god, what is going on? Who's gonna drop this? Who's like you know, what's the latest tea on whatever, you know? I don't want to get into it because I don't want to get into trouble, but yeah, I definitely am a hot. I am I stir the pot on threads about like politics and and just in general about the cannabis industry, or there are a lot of like people who are you know like offering expertise without having done like research and charging a lot of money for it, and then people are uh you know paying and they're kind of walking around and being like, I'm certified by it's worse.

SPEAKER_04 3:50:20

They're doing they're doing research, but it's not research that they need, it's experience, and that's where what you're speaking of really goes back to like, is what you're doing authentic? Yeah, are you being disingenuous?

SPEAKER_10 3:50:37

You know, and so are you ripping people off? Like that's like a big thing that people are are very it's such a new industry, it's such a new uh like well people don't even necessarily know how to sometimes calculate the return on information given.

SPEAKER_06 3:51:00

So you're also you're also carrying a history, right? Of people's all their bad experiences prior with bad product and bad edibles or over edibles, right? Which is a huge uh ripple that's been out in the you know general population for a long time. So you have a lot to overcome. So I think Vanessa, you're speaking, you need authenticity and the realness to overcome that unfortunate reality that follows the reality that comes with edibles, right?

SPEAKER_10 3:51:32

Yeah, yeah, because edibles have a history of being too strong, or if you want to make them yourself, they have to take like three days to make them, and you need to do it on a full moon, and you have to stir it 500,000 times, and like there's all of this kind of like mysticism about Can you tell us more about that, Vanessa?

SPEAKER_04 3:51:56

We don't want to miss the important stuff.

SPEAKER_10 3:51:58

I'm gonna make the moon. You know, that's how you make the strongest, it's the only way, it's the only way the blood moon, and you have to kind of cackle while you're doing it and you have to use Brian's hash.

SPEAKER_06 3:52:15

Don't forget to face the east and yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_10 3:52:21

Yeah, I can it's just so simple. It's like if this plant is really meant to be cooked with from a culinary perspective, it it it works so well with food and it has historically been cooked with. And so um for me, you know, edibles, it's I from the 100 milligram flying saucer to the infused curry I had on Kotao with Kodam, that was incredible. Um, you know, it's you can there's so many different ways to incorporate this plant into your life and into your diet. Maybe not the right word, uh lifestyle, however you want to put it. Um, your food, your recipes. I really there's I I can't think of any recipe that I'm like, nah, we can't get weed into that, you know, like especially when you get it into hash form. It's it's like it's meant to be cooked with, you know, it's like sugar cane versus you know, versus granulated sugar when you're going to cook with it. It's like you're getting down to the part that we're actually like we we want to cook with. So um, yeah, I love it. And I thank you for having me here today and letting me get really, really high on an edible from the legendary Wendy, who I have heard about for so many. Like I first heard about Wendy because I I would go up to uh Humboldt to go see my friend who lived on off the Yel River. And she I would get my hash from her because I was like, she's a woman and I trust her, she's not gonna like no funny business, you know, you could just uh felt safer. Um, and she would be like, You need to try these gummies, is what she said to me. And I was like, Who's this? You know what? And I ate them and I was like, shit. Well, good for her. You know, it's one of those times where I was like, yeah, that's what can I say, you know, but that's a good, and I said I was like, that's hard to do. So you know, I just feel like it was very we met again, and it's just very serendipitous. Our whole oh shoot. Someone's at my door. Okay, I might have to go.

SPEAKER_04 3:54:52

It's it's actually perfect timing because we're just wrapping up the episode. So you did a very good job wrapping that up a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 3:54:59

Okay, Vanessa.

SPEAKER_09 3:55:01

Thank you. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 3:55:03

Yeah, well, we'll we'll we'll still continue to say goodbye, but no, thank you, Vanessa. We'll definitely have you back and appreciate you coming on and bringing Wendy, inspiring me to invite Wendy and have the conversation with us. It was truly awesome. Uh, do look forward to more of that. And uh, geez, I mean, enjoy your hundred milligrams. That's uh that's a you got a day ahead of you.

SPEAKER_10 3:55:26

Well, my goodness. I'm gonna I'm gonna go and eat some churros. Oh, it's my mailman.

SPEAKER_04 3:55:30

That's oh, look how excited your dog is.

SPEAKER_10 3:55:33

She loves to say hi to people and just like little tail wagon, yeah. She's very social. She's had to be like somewhat cooped up because of her knee, but she's doing a lot better. Yeah, I'm gonna go and get um, I'm gonna go and get some churros from this place that opened.

SPEAKER_04 3:55:52

You know what? Go enjoy those churros. We're all gonna be thinking about you enjoying those turros later. Including, you know, several hundred people who are watching live right now. So we definitely wish you and your churros the best. Um, we'll throw in where they can check you out on Instagram and such.

SPEAKER_10 3:56:11

And if you want to check out this is my cookbook, How to Eat Weed and Have a Good Time, except for I don't know how to mirror it, but um, it's available everywhere that books are sold.

SPEAKER_04 3:56:22

It's mirrored, it's coming through perfect.

SPEAKER_10 3:56:24

Oh, good, great, beautiful. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 3:56:28

It is a beautiful book. You sent one to my wife. I appreciate that a great deal. And we looked through it and we're excited to uh get into some recipes for that for sure. Uh, we'll definitely have to have you guys back when you're further down the RD road of uh whatever collaboration you guys are gonna figure out.

SPEAKER_10 3:56:45

Yes, it's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_04 3:56:47

Thank you, Wendy, for for coming on and representing and like having bubble hash be the main ingredient in your product. That's super cool. Uh obviously, I'm biased.

SPEAKER_02 3:56:57

I mean, my goodness is just like me biased too. I'm gonna stand in it, Mike. I'm just gonna tell you that.

SPEAKER_04 3:57:03

Totally biased. Um, shout out to um Puffco and the press club for being awesome and supporting and sponsoring. And everywhere I go, those Puffco guys are just sorting me out and dialing me up, and I just really appreciate that. And uh it's good to see you, Brian, dude. Like, really, I can't believe that today, after so many months, I see you, and then we're like, Yeah, I'll see you in like 10 days. Yeah, coming up for Labster. Uh, thanks, Etienne and Colin and Caleb for coming in. Appreciate you guys like crazy. And uh, yeah, of course, thanks everyone for watching. There's a whole slew of people that watch this show and appreciate it. As always, when it's done, I'll upload it to my Buzz Sprout and it'll end up on the Spotify and Android and Google and Apple and all of the uh the podcasts there. Uh, you can just look it up as Hash Church. If you do end up on YouTube and you're watching Hash Church and it's not the video part of Hash Church, it's just like a picture. Then you've ended up on an RSS feed of my podcast, and it's just the audio. It's not people like, oh, what happened to the video? There was like diagrams and shit I wanted to see. It's like, well, it's still there. You're just looking at a different video now. So dig deeper, try harder. You can do it, maybe not right after 100 milligrams, but certainly four or five hours later you'll figure it out for sure. Or I would uh Vanessa can do it at any point in time, apparently, on 100 milligrams. I wouldn't even be surprised if the camera goes off and she goes pop and throws another one in down the hatchet. I don't know, I'm not I'm just saying it can happen.

SPEAKER_10 3:58:45

Peer pressure. Whoa, no peer pressure here at all.

SPEAKER_04 3:58:50

No peer pressure. But as always, I I say to everyone, may the full melt uh bless your bowl sooner than later. Or your edible. I'm definitely gonna get you ladies on a call here in the near future about a Denver event, and we'll see what we can put together. Uh, and everyone else, just have a great Sunday afternoon. If you got family, go spend some time with them. If not, go spend some time uh consuming cannabis because that's fun. Uh, we'll see everyone later. Peace out, everyone.