Hash Church Season 12 Episode 16

🎥 HASH CHURCH – Season 12 Episode 16
“Old School Roots Meet Smart Grow AI”
📄 YOUTUBE DESCRIPTION
You know… every once in a while you get an episode where the past, present, and future of cannabis all show up at the same time—and this is one of those.
This week on Hash Church, we’re sitting down with some serious minds in the game…
🌱 Tom Lauerman – a true steward of the plant, bringing deep agricultural roots and real-world farming perspective.
🔥 Adam Dunn (Adam Dunn / THSeeds / The Adam Dunn Show) – breeder, storyteller, and longtime voice in cannabis culture. If you know, you know.
🧠 Drew Henderson & Michael Beale – founders of Smart Grow, pushing the edge of what’s possible with AI-driven cultivation, compliance, workforce optimization, and data intelligence.
We’re diving deep into that intersection… where intuition meets automation.
Because I’ll tell you…
There’s something about a grower who feels the plant—who walks the room and just knows.
But now we’ve got systems that can track, measure, and optimize every variable down to the decimal.
So the real question becomes…
👉 Can AI actually enhance the craft… or does it risk replacing the soul?
👉 What happens when legacy growers meet data-driven cultivation?
👉 And how do we use these tools without losing what made this plant special in the first place?
Expect conversations on:
Living soil vs data-driven environments
Consistency vs artistry in cannabis
AI’s role in scaling quality hash production
Compliance, tracking, and the future of regulated markets
Real-world applications of Smart Grow in modern facilities
And yeah… we’ll probably drift into some stories, some laughs, and a few tangents—because that’s how it goes.



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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Loud recording in progress. All right. Well, we're just gonna wait for this to go live. I do believe we are live now, so there we go. Make sure they can see us. Ah, yes. Must start with the waggy commercial. All right, everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. Hopefully, you're in the show. Oh, yeah, I can skip that. Welcome to Hash Church, everybody. Season 12, episode 16, the Grow Smart AI episode. Should be fun. Had farmer Tom reach out to me recently and said he had a group of guys he wanted to bring on, with uh, as well as Adam Dunn, which is a longtime friend. So we're excited to get into that. I do want to mention the sponsorships really ever so quickly. Uh, Press Club, you guys are in the room. Shout out to you guys. Um, yeah, today's episode of Hash Church is proudly supported by the Press Club, California Brothers, obsessed with Hash and everything solventless. Uh, just like us, actually. Their journey didn't start as a business, however, it started as a family. Back in 2014, when a loved one wasn't finding relief through conventional medicine, they turned back to the plant they'd respected their whole lives. They knew cannabis had medicinal power, but they needed something cleaner. That search led them to solventless using nothing but water, heat, and pressure to let the plant express itself honestly. That light bulb moment turned into washing, pressing, experimenting, and eventually realizing how hard it was to find true quality rosin bags and solventless tools that were made in America and still affordable. So they did what real hash heads do, they built the solutions themselves. The press club stands for clean, processed, conscious intentions and tools made by people who actually live the culture, not corporate Chads chasing trends. We're grateful to have the press club supporting Hash Church and the wider solventless community, family-run, purpose-driven, and rooted in why Hash matters in the first place. Truly, much love to the press club and thank you for supporting the church. The church. You know what? Side note, we were uh we were named the top third out of a hundred church podcasts in Canada recently. I can't make this shit up. You can do the search. We are in we are number three for the top top 100 church podcasts. Fuck, did I laugh when I saw that? Anyway, shout out to Puffco because uh they're also a big supporter of ours here. Elevate your sessions at Hash Church with Puffco's cutting edge lineup starting with the innovative peak. Sorry, pivot, pocket-sized dab pen that delivers the full rig experience on the go, featuring a quick release 3D chamber for premium flavor and a real-time temperature control with four heat presets and haptic feedback. For eptic group rips, dive into the Puffco Peak Pro powered by revolutionary 3D XL bowl technology for two times more vapor, even heating from the sides to preserve terps and an XL joystick for fuller loads with less reclaim. 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No, I'm just totally joking. Uh, the team behind bubble bags, we take pride in our pioneering legacy, backing every product with unwavering confidence and a commitment to excellence, making us kind of a trusted go-to for enthusiasts and professionals alike seeking top-tier hash extractions. You can visit us at www.bubblebag.com. Use the code hash church10 and uh you'll get a little discount there. Appreciate your guys' uh patience. I never really do my sponsors with people in the room. So thank you guys for being patient and uh hanging out. We've got a great show for you guys today. Thank you to Bingo Lombardi for holding the chat down and sharing everyone's um links in the room. We'll go over that as we do introductions. Obviously, Adam, I know who you are, dude, but uh we should get some introductions from the rest of the team here. And I'm suspecting Tom will make his way in here sooner than later. So I don't know if it's Terry, Tim, Drew, or Michael who wants to start it off with a little introduction. Um, but we can kind of go through the whole team and the the concept and yeah, get to get get the uh hash church audience to know who you guys are. And remember, we're the top third one out of 100 church podcasts. So we got a lot of religious people listening this morning.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

That's funny. So who are they? I can go ahead and I can go ahead and start. I love it. Sweet. Um, my name's Drew. Um I'm uh developer with uh Smart Grow. So uh I've been working on that for about five years with Michael and the rest of our team. Um I also am uh director of cultivation for a thousand light facility in Arkansas that I run. Uh I got a great team of people that work with me there, make that a really wonderful experience to be able to grow my weed in in Arkansas. And uh it's a blessing to be able to be in that market. Uh so yeah. Dude, time out.

SPEAKER_04 6:01

You're growing weed in Arkansas. I think we should stand up and clap our hands together. Anytime weed gets grown in a place that throws away, throws out 10-year mandatory minimums, like they're giving away socks at Christmas time to their kids. I I don't think the audience can realize exactly what you just said and how profound it is. Like this is a state that throws around 10-year mandatory minimums for cannabis, literally, like it's candy. Did you growing weed in Arkansas?

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Yep. Uh I didn't think I'd end up here, but here I am. I got an amazing job opportunity uh thrown at me, and I couldn't turn it down. And I've been here for four years now. So uh I grew up in Kansas, also doesn't play with their cannabis laws. Um, but yeah, I run uh one of eight cultivation licenses in the state. We're uh one of the smaller, actually the smallest footprint. Um but uh we are about 25,000 square feet and putting out our you know six, seven hundred pounds a month to the Arkansas market, and it's it's pretty amazing to see what the what the market's doing here compared to everybody else. Um, you know, we we still deal with uh with some low wholesale prices, but I can't keep my vault full. So it's it's a lot different than a lot of people are experiencing nationwide right now. Yeah, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

That's crazy, dude. Arkansas. I I I can't even tell you how many friends I had back in the 90s that would be just like my homies, and then they were just gone. And we'd be like, What happened? It's like, oh yeah, it's he's yeah, he's gone, dude. It's like 10 years, and they they make you serve it too. It's not one of those states where you get out with the good behavior and shit. Like they make you serve all of the time. Like it was just one of those sort of like from a Canadian's perspective, you know. Originally it was like all of you guys were scared us, and then and then it got better and better and better. And then it was like Texas and Arkansas, like, don't go to those two places, like, just go around that if you're on tour following a band around, like it's probably best to just avoid going to that state. It makes me happy to see that states like that have licensing and regulations and the ability to grow cannabis because no matter what, if you have a license and you can grow cannabis in Arkansas, in a sense, that in on its own is fighting the old you know, reign of prohibition. It's just melting, it changes the way people think when that can exist.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Absolutely, yeah. I think there, you know, there's a lot of places that it was beat down people's throat that you know, cannabis is evil, cannabis is bad, uh uh it's gonna ruin your life. It's but uh our our main patient uh age group here is uh I believe 50, I think it was 53 um is the average patient age. Um and it's really good to see, you know, uh just across generations, you know, people actually seeing the benefits of it and and really realizing that they were just getting lied to the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 9:28

Well, you know what cannabis is so addictive that if you smoke it for a long enough time, you'll actually drive around with it in your car. You can't be away from it, you'll have full plants just in your backseat. You'll just be in your car, in the back driving around with your plants. Oh look! Oh look. There you go. I only noticed it. I only noticed it a bit ago.

SPEAKER_02 9:52

I was like, this fucking guy's got full-size plants in his back seat, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_04 9:57

Oh my god, dude, you're hilarious. Anyway, thank you, Drew. Thank you for uh the little updates and mention how you got into uh how the how you got into this uh AI smart grow thing.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Yeah, so uh while I'm here, uh I was working at well, I was a partner at a farm in Oklahoma. Um we had a 200-light farm in Oklahoma, and just a good old boy was my business partner. Um, you know, we were out in the out in the fields, just cattle everywhere and and a barn full of weed. And uh my business partner's uh brother-in-law showed up one day just to go for a tour. He's like, hey, can can Rob come by and check the place out? Like, sure. And I kind of show him around, tell him what we did. And at the end of the visit, he's like, hey man, you know, this is what you don't know about me. And he said he proceeded to ask me, he's like, what kind of tech do you have in here? And I was like, well, you know, not as much as I'd like, to be honest. And uh he's proceeds to tell me that uh he worked for a company tall called Tallgrass AI uh that did data analytics, and we kind of just kept talking back and forth about you know what their technology did, what they were currently using it for, and we decided there was a really good opportunity to uh deploy their AI engine and and IP to uh cannabis data, and uh that pretty much started it, and we were just you know, one conversation after another, and then I was introduced to Michael, which is uh here in the room, but that was uh Rob's business partner. Um Rob was also a good old boy from Oklahoma, um, but uh he ended up having a uh a very intimate introduction to cannabis. He was diagnosed with cancer, and and you know, after we were already working together and he started using RSO and treating with cannabis, I think when he was diagnosed, the uh doctors had given him you know only a few weeks is what they expected him to live from when he was diagnosed. And he ended up, you know, heavily treating with RSO and some other cannabinoids and uh went into full recession. Um really just blew all of his doctors' minds. Uh went into full recession and and ended up giving him uh a couple more years of of life with his family, and um that really sparked uh his wife to further, you know, uh educate people on on the healing benefits of cannabis and the you know improvement of life that it offered him through his final years. And uh, you know, I've always really really been I guess targeted and uh really involved in in the not just you know not just the culture, but the actual medicinal benefits and how it really improves people's life. And uh to have you know somebody on the team to be so closely, you know, affected by it really solidified our mission and and what we were actually trying to achieve.

SPEAKER_10 13:48

Yeah, the irony couldn't be more profound, just really couldn't. And I think one of the things that as we were on the journey with him, you know, the first vial of RSO came out. And again, just a little bit about Rob and myself. So he worked in the in the corporate world and uh in the telecommunication space. And I build um my my other my other day job, I build uh long-term value platforms. So I did that for him over almost like a decade. He was the he was one of those operational guys that you put him in with a good idea and he'd execute the good idea, prove it, prove it right. So then it would, and then it would scale. So he really was uh in a in a really special place for me as I built my company Tallgrass. So when he introduced me to Drew, and I think this was really kind of cool, is I saw you know this really neat innovative spirit. Um, you know, a lot of tribal knowledge, really the perfect storm, and nobody and everyone was bitching and complaining, right? But at the same time, there weren't any like sacred crack cows, right? Once you're in and you're trusted, I realized that you know, these are people that are gonna talk to me, honestly. So I didn't do my systems analysis work. Rob, you know, introduced me to Drew. Um and then shortly thereafter, you know, came down with cancer. And one thing that is really profound is the first model of RSO that came up really kicked that cancer back, right? Um, but then all things being equal, subsequent batches of the RSO, it didn't have that uh that effect. So that's exactly what SmartGrow is about. It's just like, okay, what what how do we could how do we dig into that 5%, right? What changed? We everything else was perfect, but what changed? So that's that's that was gosh, what, three years ago, I guess? Yeah, since he passed. Um but the mission hasn't changed at all, right? And as we talk today, I think uh you'll kind of see just how batshit crazy um you know this idea is, what um all the breakthroughs that we've had to accomplish just to be able to do what we're doing.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

It's a it's a major thing from the medical perspective, and it's kind of why I always end up in these sort of arguments with a full spectrum people. I don't even know what that means, but apparently there's something called full spectrum, and they decide what it is based on however they feel in the moment. Um but you know, we had the same thing here with Haley, uh, this young girl Haley. There was like a cultivar created for her called Haley's Comet. I believe it was Trevé syndrome. It was like a terrible epileptic, you know, nightmare. Uh and Haley's Comet worked great for her for a while, and then it didn't work. And so there are variables that shift and change, and then there are these unperceivable components of the plant. You know, we all call it the terps. The volatile organic compounds are not terps, they're aldehydes and esters and thiols and thiolates, and most of them are unperceivable to the equipment that we use. And in fact, you need very intelligent people and you need to jerry rig machines together so that they can get beyond that one billionth that a proton NMR can get to and and and you know, measure and get into the trillions. And so Nick Ziegler talked a little bit about it when he worked at Yakima Chief Hops, discovering over 1400 different thiols present in the thought in the in the hops plant, and and being like, you know, a lot of these are probably present in cannabis. We just we're all stuck on the terps.

SPEAKER_10 17:15

And and and also you have to remember, um, there's a target that's changing, the human body is changing. So that's why it's so important that we start building these relationships with the actual human diagnostics, because without that, you know, we'll we'll we're gonna break through that 95%. We're going to do it. And I'm gonna I'll deliver you of a product that's 98% absolutely correct. But guess what? We're still gonna have a diminished return somewhere. Why? Right. And it's gonna be it's gonna be the human patient, right? That's gonna be where we're gonna chase the question. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:47

I just think there's a value, and I I I'm not a be all end-all on this side, but I just see like once we understand what the plant really is, and if we can never figure out a way to consistently make it grow and express itself, because for all we know, someone with in a bad mood will get the plant to express itself differently just by standing next to it. I mean, obviously I don't know that that's the truth, but there are a lot of unperceivables that happen in a grow room, and that's why things shift and change, and that's why when you grow a plant for many, many years in a row, the the tests, the COAs can be substantially different. So, you know, I see there being a value, of course, in people growing cannabis at their own homes and being able to buy it and sell it recreationally, and then it being available medicinally. I love whole plants being available and resins and all these things, but I also see a value where you're stacking up what was to make it accurately exactly what that was. You've got a cultivar and it's got a breakdown, a chemovar breakdown of all the components. If you could recreate that with plant medicines, not synthetics, but you know, break down all those components and then stack them up like a recipe. I feel like there's value there as well in the medical. Now, um, Drew was saying something about the profoundness of having a partner who is, you know, the most intimate relationship that you can kind of have with cannabis is when is when you're terminally ill and you're using it to save your life, or someone else is terminally ill and you're using it to try and save their life. I think there's uh a component of that conversation that never really gets mentioned. There's nothing better than helping someone who is in stage four cancer reduce their cancer into remission so that it doesn't exist anymore. This is amazing. It is absolutely amazing, but let us not forget the preventative nature of cannabis and how it can keep someone from ending up there in the first place. We have to look at the importance of preventative cannabis medicine as being as important as I'm in stage four and I need this now, because we can help quite a few people never get to that stage four place. So I just I tell people all the time, don't wait till you're sick to use cannabis. I also tell people uh, you know, that smoking it is great for the for the mindset and you can, you know, ocular pressure and tremors and certain things smoking is really great for. But I always tell people, you know, which is a harder thing because people who like to smoke it, some of them don't really enjoy eating it. And people who don't smoke it at all almost exclusively aren't going to enjoy eating it uh on a level. So I I try to tell people all the time, like, even if you can just eat like a five milligram, a 10 milligram before you go to bed, so you're not feeling the effects. But every night you're getting that five or 10 milligrams, maybe eventually you can get up to 10 or 20 or 30. I do about 30 milligrams myself. It's not a massive dose by any means. But after decades of telling people that would reach out to me and say, hey, like I have stage four cancer, I've been given like four months to live, and I'm just like, okay, well, I'm not a doctor, and but I will tell you what I tell everyone. Like, I would start consuming massive amounts of of cannabinoids and I would do it orally. Uh, if it was in my peripheral organs, I would do it through suppository as well. Obviously, going through your stomach and metabolizing in your liver and 11 hydroxy metabolite. All of that is great for certain things, but generally from the doctors I've spoken to and the patients that I've known over the years who've had, you know, some who have put uh their cancers into remission, really bad ones, metastatic bone, breast, and liver cancer, like full death sentences, 60 grams of oil, 60 days, full remission, no more cancer. The oil I had actually made for that woman who I'm telling you the story about right now. I I had actually gotten it originally from my uncle. And my uncle was so scared of being high that he thought he would lose his faculties and you know, say embarrassing things. And he just had it in his mind that that being stoned was really a negative. So he was too afraid to take the oil and he sent it back to me, and he died about three months later. Uh, and I sent the oil to my business partner, Martin Rowchek, in Manitoba Harvest. We were partners in the hemp thing in Manitoba back in the Day. I sent him out the 60 grams for his mother-in-law, Elsie, who probably had never used cannabis in her life and just straight up took a gram the first day and ended up in a 36-hour coma. Woke up from that coma and took another gram and then proceeded to do it for 60 days straight. I mean, honestly, that is not an easy thing to do. That is like going on a heroic cannabis experience for two months. I don't even know how she did it. Her daughter, who's very religious and very straight and also not using cannabis, saw what happened to her mom the first night. So she took a gram with her the next night to be with her on that experience. And I was just like, oh my God, like these women are anyway. Elsie is alive. She's enjoying her eight grandchildren and her one great grandchild. My uncle's been uh passed away now for I want to say five or six years. Sure. So yeah, it's an amazing thing to be able to help people with. It's an amazing uh mission, but never forget that the mission to help healthy people stay healthy is as important. It really is. We just miss that sometimes, the preventative nature, which I would hope that each and every one of you on this panel consumes cannabis orally every night. And if you don't, please don't wait till you have like a cancer or a Parkinson's or something that you need it to. These are endocannabinoid deficiencies, right? How do we how do we maintain our endocannabinoid deficiencies? We consume enough essential amino acids, which are the building blocks for uh uh uh endogenously produced cannabinoids, and we put and we and we consume enough cannabinoids to me is like a no-brainer. I love hearing stories of people. Okay, we said you gave him uh he he was given a couple of years extra of life when he started on the Rick Simpsons oil. I saw a little TikTok video recently where uh an Australian guy is asked, you know, would you uh would you accept$10 million if I gave it to you right now? And the guy said, Of course. He said, Okay, but under one condition, you can't wake up tomorrow. And he said, Well, no, I wouldn't take it then. And he then he said, So waking up tomorrow is worth more to you than$10 million. And the guy was like, Fuck, that's heavy, dude. That's like a really he so two years of being able to wake up from being terminally ill worth more than$10 million every day. It's priceless being able to give people extra time on this planet. It is absolutely priceless, and in my opinion, it's kind of like it was the thing we had on our side where they could never win. Do you know what I mean? Like when we started this, it was just a bunch of, we were all stereotypical weed guys that were just like, yeah, weed, you know, like Adam, there's no way you knew like 40 or 35 years ago that it would shrink a tumor out of someone's head. Like back then, we just thought, oh, if you smoke a little, it'll ease the chemo. But to have the understanding that you could actually, you know, not only make someone feel better, but there was the possibility of shrinking a tumor. You know, to this day, doctors still don't want to acknowledge that. I've told this story multiple times. I was on a uh a panel called Rethink Breast Cancer, and it was all medical doctors and myself. And it was in Toronto, and in the room were all women terminally ill with breast cancer. Most of them had lost their hair, they had the little do-rags on their head. It was a very sad and powerfully sad experience. And a woman stood up and she was just looking for hope. She was like, Can you just tell me? Like, I there's so much on both sides. Like, is it possible that cannabis can kill tumors? That's all I want to know. I just want, is that a possibility? And no doctor would acknowledge that that was a possibility. And I realize they're doing it because they're protecting their licenses. And I, you know, it's easy for me to judge them when they went to school for six years and they put everything they had into it, and all they have to do is step out of line, and now they've lost their license. But I was so pissed off that they just wouldn't. So I'm like, yeah, it is. You can look up Dr. Christina Sanchez and Andre Guzman at the University of Madrid, who actually absolutely showed that apoptosis is possible with THC binding to cancerous cells. Does it mean that it's going to kill cancer every time or shrink tumors every time? No, but for God's sakes, why can't we give people hope? Why why is that such a bad thing? So, anyway, I've taken myself off uh on a tr on a on a on a side note here. I'd love to hear I'd love to hear more from you, Michael. Uh, and then we can go in uh hear from Tim uh and Adam and welcome to Colin uh who showed up as well.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

I think you nailed it. Love it to be here. Love to see your uh driving with plants, Adam. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:57

Go ahead, Michael.

SPEAKER_10 27:00

That culture, um, you know, you sitting down around with all the terminal ladies, though that's the kind of culture, those are the um events that need to happen more. But more importantly, is when we walk in the room, right? There's still there's still so much more to learn about the cannabinoid. Okay, so what we need to do is keep splitting those hairs, right? But we have to get to something called causality, right? So in other words, here's 10 women, right? This is what we did with these three, this is what we did with these three, this is what we do with these three, right? But now scale that. You absolutely have to scale that. So when when I can walk into the door and promise you a 99% consistent product, you see, it's just like like Amazon Web Services. Why do we have this? The reason we have it is because these guys were so good about what they did internally. Their processes were so optimized that when they had to work with somebody outside of the process, it wasn't good enough. Right. So if you want to do business with Amazon, you have to also optimize. And that it's like optimization is like a virus. So what it does is it removes all the risk on our side. I can walk in the door and say, hey, I'm 99% there, even if you're 95% there, right? In other words, that's good enough to make very hard decisions and change culture. So so you're you're speaking right to it. I'm not going to say the P word, right? But yeah, it's that word is out there, right? And they're watching very closely. And those the rules and regulations and laws kind of keep falling in our favor. Those that can control that and actually can walk in the room and um and show a good quality result, and not only that, but have um quantifiable options based off of past causality. So that's the kind of stuff that's going to change the culture eventually, right? It's going to change it. Do you you save enough lives? You're going to change the culture irregardless of the law.

SPEAKER_04 28:51

Yeah, exactly. Well, it was it was sick and dying children that was kind of the last leg of prohibition. Yeah, that's sick, man. There weren't too many people. I think it was like that Chris Christie guy was like one of the only people willing to like argue with a dad whose child was like having 400 seizures a day, and he was just like arguing why he couldn't have access to this medicine. And the dad's like, he's literally gone through all of the medicine at the hospital. Like they gave him all the epileptic medicines, and then they gave him all the Parkinson's medicines, and then they gave him all the cancer medicines, and then they gave him all the experimental medicines. He's like, he's literally taken everything you can take, but you don't want to let him take this herb that will almost guarantee, you know, reduce and stop. Um I mean, to me, it's super simple. I break it down like this all of us are most likely going to die from one thing, which is inflammation. And cannabis is the enemy of inflammation. It just eats inflammation for breakfast. Kind of like Scooter McGavin eats pieces of shit for breakfast. Cannabis eats fucking, you know, inflammation for breakfast. And it's just uh when you can take someone and reduce them below this like 9.8 of inflammation and just get them, just get them right below where it's causing like a massive you don't have to reduce it out of existence, but man, you just countless stories of people like calling it a miracle, which you know it's about as much as a miracle is putting gas in a car uh a gas engine and and getting the the engine to run. You know, our engine runs on cannabinoids, both phyto and endo uh endogenously produced, and and that is uh a fact. So the fact that what you guys are doing is, I'm guessing, is to help aggregate data. I always look as the greatest intelligence for growing to be the fungi intelligence. It just it's it just helps you in such a great way. So I love the idea of creating because the way fungi can aggregate and access data, the way the fungi intelligence, the mycorrhizosphere on your root system knows exactly what the plant needs, how much it needs, where it needs it, when it needs it. That is what I call the fungi intelligence. And so I'd love to see, you know, us get into a place where the AI could sort of kind of be a helper to that fungi intelligence and be like, hey, we're gonna be able to access things that were previously unperceivable by mankind, by human beings. And now we're gonna get, you know, these are all prosthetics. I've always seen prosthetics as a means to escape our five cents prison. You know what I mean? Like looking up at the stars with your eyes is not quite the same as looking up through the prosthetic that is uh, you know, the Hubble telescope or whatever it is. So I, you know, these this AI system that you guys are building is really it's like that. It's like a it's it's a helping, friendly book for human beings to access the expression of cannabis because a lot of times people really don't know why the plant is expressing the way it is, they just don't understand it. Um and uh it's definitely something that needs to be, you know, because people say all the time, oh, anyone can grow. Yeah, kinda.

SPEAKER_10 32:09

Well, I think that's the economics, right? So if we can economically um so so you talk about like the laws of minimums, right? You have elementals, right? Um, and you have the environment, of course. Being able to address the elementals and walking into the room, truly understanding the laws of minimums is that's we're definitely on that hunt, totally on that hunt. But also it's good to understand that I mean our smart grow is um really there's six pillars. Um, it took us two years just to get the data modeling right. Um, you know, being a practitioner of really complex processes for over 25 years now, um, everything I built was typically algorithmic. Then this all these buzzwords start coming around like machine learning and AI. And remember, like five years ago, they were just, it was still just jargon. And you could pretty much dismiss it. But when I took my like complex algorithmic, and I did some work with like LA Children's Hospital, uh, they asked me to map up mortality. I did it. Um really heartbreaking work. But to be able to take that kind of work and then scale it, and then that's where again where Rob brought me back into this world and he says, Listen, can you model this cannabis plant the way that we used to do in our world? And and what we achieved in just two years, um, we have we probably have the the most future-proof um data ready for any kind of AI that's out there. Just as an example, right? We take a snapshot of every single plant in its current state across unlimited events, right? And then we do that again every single hour of its entire life cycle. So that's the kind of data. So you could look at one particular plant and you can see its snapshot, like 7,000 snapshots of its entire life. You could do the same thing with an orange tree if you wanted to. So having that kind of data gave us the breakthrough then to actually build on top of. So there's actually five other major pillars. And again, I build long-term value platforms. So for me, I need to make sure that Drew is making the most money, providing the best quality for the least amount of effort. Okay, so we got some good time booked today, and I'm pretty sure we can kind of step into a lot of those details, but let me kind of pull back a little bit and kind of just kind of see where everybody else is. Um, I can get on my soapbox and oh, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_04 34:26

I I was like, oh, this is gonna be so good. But I do want to I want to introduce Tim. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I want to introduce uh Terry. Uh welcome to Dr. Mark Shaldone, who just came in, our resident chemist. He did uh already uh uh mention one of my fuck-ups. It's Manuel Guzman, not Andre. My apologies. Dr. Mark's always here to show me my fuck-ups. I appreciate him for it. Love you, buddy. Um, and of course, uh Dragonfly Earth Medicine is also in the room. But yeah, I would love to hear from uh from Terry. I would love to hear from uh Tim and then also Adam, how he's up kind of a part of it. Uh, and then then Michael, we can get you to uh you know pop up that soapbox and and give us the goods. Love it because it sounds good, yeah. And also what you mentioned about the children's hospital. Holy shit, that's so heartbreaking. And the way, even the sentence, I could just hear them asking you in this sort of robotic way, like, we're gonna need you to uh you know. I I remember talking to the like he was like a CEO of Pfizer, and it was a SPAC I was gonna become a part of years ago. This big like multi-it was like a$500 million SPAC out of New York City. And this guy, Peter Caldini, he was uh he was a high-ranking uh you know C-suite from Pfizer, and he was talking about the accepted amount of human death. He didn't call it that, it had another term, but it sounded a lot like what you just mentioned. And he was talking about how the car companies had it for seatbelts prior to the it's kind of like pharma got it from the seatbelt, the car companies, because there was a time where you could let a certain amount of people die in car accidents before they were like, Okay, we gotta like once that sort of range was broken, they were like, Okay, we gotta put seatbelts in all cars. So you know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_10 36:11

On Target, you have no idea. I mean, we we'd have to have a sidebar. I couldn't even I couldn't even remotely go where this went.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

No, I know where it went, I could hear it in your voice.

SPEAKER_10 36:20

Yeah, yeah, it's even it's even it's worse than that, though. In in nine different dimensions, it's worse than that. So yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd love to have a sidebar with you completely.

SPEAKER_04 36:29

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, what uh did you wanna you want Tim to go? You want uh Terry to go?

SPEAKER_10 36:35

This is your show, man. It's our show.

SPEAKER_04 36:39

We're in the top 100 church podcasting. I know. Fuck, how did we end up third and not first? Well, let's hear from Terry. Terry was the gung ho first in the room. He was he came in at 8 44. I let him into the room and uh we chatted a little bit, and uh, he seems like a super awesome guy. So, Terry, welcome.

SPEAKER_13 37:01

Well, thank you for having us on. I really appreciate it. My name's Terry Ickey. Um, I'm from Operation Green Healing, it's a veteran nonprofit. We teamed up with uh these guys on a couple of projects, and while that was happening, Tim and myself was talking every day, and then we got to talking about like assembling the like an Avenger team for cannabis. So we got the best of the best, and you know, he was friends with Drew, and we you know, we wanted to team up with the AI, and you know, he was friends with Adam and the rest of the hippos. So we took this opportunity to really assemble the best team out there to go in and like kind of like help grows and genetics and overall uh best for the for the plant quality.

SPEAKER_04 37:51

So tell us a little bit about what you're doing with the veterans.

SPEAKER_13 37:57

So um a good friend and and myself, uh his name's DJ, we started a uh organization called Operation Green Healing. Um we do uh peer support, uh integration. Um we're just you know that veteran just needs someone to talk to. They need community. So um so we're we're always there for the veteran. We're we're looking to heal veterans.

SPEAKER_04 38:23

So are you linked up with Etienne?

SPEAKER_13 38:26

Uh no.

SPEAKER_04 38:27

Then we're gonna get you linked up with Etienne. That is so I'm so excited to link you up with Etienne. Your shit is about to like you guys are like robots that are about to join and make the big full like end game robot. But uh yeah, that would be great to link you up with Etienne. He's the uh founder of uh Berkeley Patients Group. And uh he's one of our regulars. He's currently their veterans group has been going to the UN to fight against countries who are executing people for cannabis. So that's what they've been doing for the last couple of years. They just got back from Austria uh doing uh you know promoting this concept that uh you know the Philippines and the UAE and Singapore, and I think there's about six countries that are still executing people for for before use, for homosexuality, just for like madness. Like just like what are you doing? You can't kill people for like just having an opinion on something. But apparently they can, and so yeah, I think that your group and his group would be great to uh link.

SPEAKER_08 39:35

You're muted, Marcus.

SPEAKER_04 39:37

Oh my goodness, how did I get muted in the middle of my talking? Well, I was just saying when you're building a you know a group like that, like what you guys are building, you said you're super avengers group. It's definitely good to have someone who's plugged in and connected to the veterans because wow, cannabis is massively helpful for these meta uh these veterans groups. I've learned most of it through Etienne. He does these weekly veterans round table meetings, which I'm sure you will probably be invited to once he comes on the show. He is a regular, he should be here right now. But um we'll link you guys up when he when he gets on here and you know build uh build the network even bigger. Appreciate you, Terry. Thanks for sharing.

SPEAKER_13 40:17

Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 40:20

Yeah, man. What about uh where are you? Tim, Tim Payton.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Yeah, so I'm part of the genetics group with Adam. Uh we put together a group of legacy guys uh in a genetics group called the Humble Hippos. Uh, we're working with the veterans, uh the humble heroes side of the uh genetics side, and we teamed up with the AI guys. Um they can basically give us recipes for our genetics, so it's super exciting to be able to tell a facility exactly how to run this genetic from start to finish.

SPEAKER_04 40:58

And when you say start for to finish, are you talking about like the the validating the feed cycle, the light cycle? Just everything. Everything. Holy shit. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_08 41:09

Do you specialize in organics or specialize in hybrid systems or about both uh synthetic? Is it just whatever the customer wants, or how does that work?

SPEAKER_10 41:19

Yeah, Drew, do you want to talk about the SOP quality planning a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 41:24

Sure. Yeah, I think uh Tim, you know, it's not so much that we provide a recipe, right? Um we can look at at what caused the results, right? And determine what was the best route to get you know X results, right? What was the best path that was taken to get the best results, right? And and to Tim's point is to be able to offer that with paired with the genetic is huge. Um and and another side of that is just because you offer you know the best route possible, or what has so far proven to be the best route to the best results doesn't just because you offer that, right, doesn't mean that everybody can achieve that. And one of the big things that uh that smart grow uh can provide, right, is that um quality engineering is it's well it really is quality engineering, right? And then also the accountability, right? Let's say you miss an event or you have a target that's off, right? We're tracking how long that target was off, um, how long it took to acknowledge that the target was even off. What had to be uh what were the processes that had to be done to remediate that you know issue or whatever happened? Um, you know, so uh in in response to that question, um I am a salt farmer, and so there's uh uh everybody's got their own opinion and and what works best and and what's the best way, you know. I think being exposed to cannabis for for so long, and and you know, I have friends that are you know out on the west coast, they're doing you know, Korean natural farming, they're doing no till. Uh I had a good buddy up in the mountains of Colorado, which uh he actually just straight up uh denied or refused to go into business with me because he wouldn't grow salts, right? Um and uh in that same guy, right? One one week he'll have a crop, right? And we'll smoke that joint. We're like, oh my god, this is amazing, right? And then the next week we light up a joint. It's like, wait, this is yours, and I'm like, Yeah, dude, that's salt. He's like, Man, that's really fucking good. So I think there's a lot of different ways to achieve very quality medicine. Um, and there's to me, my opinion is there's only one periodic table, right? I think uh a lot of people forget that the plant is consuming all of those elements in their most basic form, regardless of how they're delivered to the plant. Um I think there's there's many ways that you can achieve getting exactly what the plant needs to uh become its best expression possible. Um and you the the AI uh data, right, can support either, right? We're gonna be doing some different stuff, different sampling in order to uh essentially provide the data for an AI on a on a soil versus like a hydroponic feed, right? We have a lot more ways to measure inputs on a on a hydroponic feed than what you would with a with a soil farm. But that doesn't mean that we can't get those same readings and do uh soil sampling, right? And be able to tell exactly what was at the root zone. Um, so really uh we're you know from the beginning, we didn't want to require anybody to use our hardware, right? We wanted to be the opposite. We wanted to be able to tie into anybody's hardware, or you know, um, for that matter, you know, use our our processes, right? We want to be able to adapt to whatever the farmer's doing. Uh you know, spoken about weed multiple times, and you know, everybody's like, what's you know, what's the best way? And it's really what what works best for you, right? Like some people aren't super mechanically inclined, right? They don't get you know all the the pumps and timers and you know complicated electronics, and they do much better with you know just their green thumb and and kind of looking at the plant and being like, oh, I think it needs some water, you know, and watering their soil. And that proves better results for them because that's kind of more what they're in tune with.

SPEAKER_04 46:42

Yeah, kind of like the intuition versus the recipe. You know, that it's the same thing with hash making. There's an aspect of hash making where it's the unperceivable once again, you know. It's like, how well can I can I uh judge the material upon seeing it before I wash it? Like all of these little processes end up being like certain people I can teach the recipe to as long as I supply the the biomass to them and I find the biomass for them. If they listen to my recipe, they're gonna come out with exceptional product at the end of that job. If I make it so they have to find the biomass, that's what changes everything. That's where my intuition on biomass is very attuned and high, and theirs may not be. And you know, uh all weed will make hash, but is all hash worth making? Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_10 47:38

So you're talking about qualitative and quantitative.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 47:42

Exactly. So so but this is and then drill turn about curve with you, but this is where I think AI is really kind of impressing me in just the last three months, is it's intuition. That's why you have to have that insane data model, but at the same time, I need for you to pick up your phone and give tell me your intuition. Right? This plant looks happy. Why is this plant happy? I don't know. I don't know why this plant is happy. I just got a good vibe. You see, we can now take that and turn that into quantitative results. That's what's interesting. Just taking a picture of plants, going through the the farm, taking a picture of the plants, you know, getting a good vibe. How do you measure that? That's where that's where things are getting really interesting right now. It's almost like at a at a quantum level now.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

Yeah, I think I think one thing that that I've just kind of noticed or kind of, it's a lot of the a lot of intuition is what develops those recipes to begin with, right? Like how did you build that recipe? I mean, yeah, there's a lot of trial and error, right? But there's a lot of intuition and art that goes into building the recipe, right? That somebody can then take and get repeated uh, you know, consistent results off of.

SPEAKER_04 49:17

A little bit about kind of you know what it is.

SPEAKER_10 49:19

I I love I love the QA too, because I mean I can just sit here and bring up a PowerPoint slide if you want.

SPEAKER_08 49:28

Do you guys work with like regenerative farms or like outdoor, or is this main it's mainly an indoor situation? Is that correct to say?

SPEAKER_00 49:41

Uh we have uh we have a a farm that's we have doing some beta testing that's out in California, um, that is an outdoor farm, right? He's literally got zero sensors, right? He's got soil in his pots and he's watering. Um, but uh, you know, I think it's it's more beneficial in an in a scenario where you can control the grow, right? It's gonna be more beneficial, but that doesn't mean that we can't provide anything, you know, to an outdoor farm as well. We're looking uh just like he doesn't have any sensors on the farm, right? We would love to throw a weather station out there on that farm, uh, get them to do some soil sampling. Uh, but we're looking at tying and uh like farmer's almanac data, right? And local weather data and applying that to his farm. Um and and using those things uh, you know, for projections, right? So, you know, we can look at what's happening and what has happened so far throughout the season and give him a good projection on what his results are gonna be like at the end of the year. Um things like weird temperature swings, a real high day, and then a low, you know, temperature moist night following that, right, is gonna be kind of the same effects when you don't have your indoor environment controlled, which you know could could smart spark risks for uh spore germination for for mold and stuff like that. So uh generally, right, we would love to be able to control every last little thing, right? Because that's that's one thing Mike started talking. We you know, we worked on the on the data table for you know a couple years, right? And we're like, okay, so now this data works. Uh temperature from a control master versus a temperature that's you know hand entered off of you know a user looking at a thermometer versus you know another sensor's temperature all rationalizes the same, right? And so we've we spent a long time putting that data table together, right? And then we realized quickly, like, okay, but that we can't do anything with this unless the grower can control, right? If you can't hit the required target, what does it even matter? Right.

SPEAKER_10 52:27

You want to so we're kind of moving the from kind of like quality into command and control. Drew, do you think it's appropriate if I could throw BIQ up there if you wanted to really kind of you know, I think it'd probably blow people's minds, or do you think that's kind of too much?

SPEAKER_08 52:44

Never. Nothing too much on hash church. Wait, wait, but um, I think this really fits the international model of stability, also. Like if you have, you know, Tropicana cookies and you know, you're trying to get it to Germany, like it has to be stable. And that's the whole entire purpose of things like high north labs, you know, and you get stability tests, like an outdoor farmers not, they're not gonna they don't know the whole point is not to have stability, really, for an herbalist and an outdoor farmer, but but you can't enter the international pharmaceutical style growing, buying and selling with that model, unfortunately. So this will really help people entering the international market, I feel. And it would go really well with the Valenveris machine, of course, because then you can monitor all your growing.

SPEAKER_04 53:40

I was thinking that as well. It has a soil application too. The Germans are gonna love AI stuff.

SPEAKER_06 53:45

Come on, massive control, the Swiss will love it, all those people may want it to be.

SPEAKER_10 53:52

It's control. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. As we graduate through the conversation, we'll go from quality to command and control. From command and control, then we'll actually get into um demand forecasting. So demand forecasting in labor, demand forecasting in commodities. How do you manage those things? How do you how do you how do you smooth the market? How do you project something a year out, bundle your commodities with all your buddies, put that in a buying union, right? How do you harmonize labor? How do you harmonize robotic labor with human labor? That's that's where the conversation's going, right? And that's what we've accomplished. So before we go there, while we're still kind of like on quality, um, I think you I think the audience would be very interested in seeing this tool. Um, it's it's kind of like one of my uh hidden hidden secrets per se. So I guess I'm I guess I'm coming out here. Um but this is this is one of the ways that I do my work right globally. And I'm gonna show it up here for you.

SPEAKER_04 54:58

You should be able to share a screen here. Everyone can share.

SPEAKER_10 55:03

All right. Yep, let me know. And I got the right.

SPEAKER_04 55:08

You you should have the right. And if you don't, it'll ask me. But I I went in and it's uh I usually kind of set it at default.

SPEAKER_10 55:14

So I yeah, it's it's saying host disabled participant screen sharing.

SPEAKER_04 55:19

Okay, so I go into share, I go share settings, host tools, or share.

SPEAKER_03 55:26

Share if I can import it enter into full screen, share all windows, uh, share entire desktop, let's go into events.

SPEAKER_10 55:34

So you can share.

SPEAKER_04 55:35

Everyone should be able to do it.

SPEAKER_08 55:36

So would your AI model like saving of cannabis? Like, you know, let's say different uh a glass jar as opposed to a grove bag, and then the terpene levels like one month out, two months out, six months out. And then like the growing system that provided the better trichome six months out, seven months, you know, like if you're an annual grower and you're a medicinal grower for your own medicine, yeah. You know, how do you judge having good flour right before your next harvest, which is 10 months away from the day you harvested it? Will your system help people with that as well?

SPEAKER_00 56:18

So I think I think ultimately, right? Causality, yeah. Causality, right? But I think one thing that you you have to realize, right, is that the the AI is very strong and can process things and make sense and and make correlations that that the human brain just can't keep track of, right? We're we were you know in beta testing for our data, right? And we were ending up with I don't know, I don't even remember the number. It was like 58 million data points, right, over a 600 plant growth, right? There's no way that a human brain can go back and look at all those data points and see the correlations, right? But what's important is that it only knows what you can tell it or what you can feed it, right? So, of course, right, if if you let's just say it's a COA, right? We get our first COA at the end of the grow, right? We we upload that data uh through API to the AI engine, right? It rationalizes everything that happened to get to that result, right? Beginning with uh genetics, right? Either genetic sequencing or as simple as you know calling it you know sour diesel, right? Um, but ties that all the way up now. What it doesn't though is anything that you don't tell it after that, right? So if we were to come back a month later and do a COA and see the difference, right? What cannabinoids, you know, have turned into, you know, how much THC has turned into CBN, you know, what what are the changes? Have we lost terpenes? Did did the you know the ratio of different terpenes shift during that first month after the COA, right? So there the the data model is currently you know still very immature, right? The more people that we can get to use the data model and feed this with whatever you're interested in, you know, like somebody else may not care about what their flower is a year later because they know that's gone. You know, my my weed at at the farm I'm at with as soon as we get it into the vault, you know, it's it's gone. We'd have trouble keeping that on in stock and it's selling out. As to where, like you said, you know, somebody who's an annual you know farmer and they have to you know secure enough product to get them through to the next year is gonna have some different, you know, interests or questions, right? And so the you know, the more of those questions, right, that we can well said, you know, that we can ask, the the more that AI is gonna understand, right? Once once you have that, right? You know, let's just it's repeated over and over a month, every month you go back and take a new COA, and that process is repeated over different genetics, right? Right, then it can start to understand a like Mike said, the causality, right? What's making the differences in those, right? So still it's very immature, right? And in what it understands about the canvas plant, but the more questions we can ask it and the more um information we can feed it to deliver those answers, the more powerful it's gonna be, and the more we're gonna know about what's going on. And you know, from the beginning with targeting so many details, right? Like unperceivables. What even though I fed a 2EC, I watered three times a day, I had 30% runoff, it was you know, 50% humidity, whatever those things were that I, you know, I could say were the same, there's still a different little bit different uh you know expression from the plant. And we want to be able to dive deep enough, right, where we can pick out a specific cannabinoid that we want to enhance, right? And all other things being equal, this event happened, right, and consistently increased, you know, humolene production or whatever it is, right? And we want to be able to dive in as deep as you know increasing a specific cannabinoid or decreasing uh specific cannabinoid, you know, through process.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:14

Well, I mean, you're look, you're you're linked up with Adam, and he has a very like high-level bullshit detector in the cannabis industry because he's been exposed to just maybe more than anyone else. Just being at this, he's always I I've always seen Adam, he just finds himself at the epicenter of whatever's going on. I mean, he moved to Amsterdam. How long did it take you before you befriended Dave Watson? Like, I bet you you did that in less than a year.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:45

Second year. First year I was not in the cannabis game, I was just running around doing my thing, and then second year uh going from Dutch Action introduced me to Alan, and then I got the job over at the Hash Museum, and then six months later I was in C and then that's when Dave walked, you know, that's when Dave lost in like a he was like uh Yosemite. He literally was Yosemite Sam. He came in like yelling and screaming about how he was the scope guy, and everything was stolen from him, and I was like, holy shit, who is this guy? You know, some crazy American guy just came in here and said he owned the everything in here is his. And he's like, Oh that's you know what I mean? It was just crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:31

Like what year was that?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:34

What year was it?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:38

1990? Yeah, yeah, that's early.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:42

That was four. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:44

Well, no, you know what I kind of and then I know he he also probably ended up telling you that oh, don't worry about him, he's just like uh uh an undercover cop or or uh exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:55

No, they said uh he he works with the police, and I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:58

He works with the police. Okay, so listen, recently the woman who was a part of Skunk Magazine, I can't remember her name. She was the wife of the guy who was like, not Julie, Julie, Julie GRL. So she's she posted a she posted a thing on Ben, and it was Ben, you know, in Malaysia just talking, you know, and he was like, Oh, and I don't know why Dave didn't like me, you know, I don't know why, but he didn't like me. And then I wrote, I said, Well, Ben, look, I love you, you're great, you guys all played your part, but I think it's because you were telling people he was a part of the he worked for the with the police, and he got so mad at me for writing that, and I was like, Listen, we can't hide the truth, it is the truth, and he did do that, it's not a big deal now, but that shit weighed so heavy on Dave, bro. Oh yeah, like that weighed on him.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:53

It was classic jealousy though, because all the judge people couldn't figure out uh how he got his.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:59

I get it. I mean, listen, he's like in the cannabis world, Dave is like Elon. Like, don't bet against him. Like, I don't care, even if you don't like him, don't bet against him. You're gonna be on the fucking losing side. This guy is not going to lose. He's going, he's yo 70 Sam, dude. Exactly. No, exactly. Fucking hey, very cool. Well, that's that's old school, that's going way back.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:28

It is. We got Bob Snodgrass here, the Bob Snodgrass number three, right? So the original Bob is in his 70s. He's the second Bob Snodgrass in his family, but he's the grandfather, right? So we got grandfather, and then we have our age in his 50s, almost 60, Bobby Snodgrass, Sierra's dad, upstairs. And uh yeah, I mean, that whole legacy of Southern Oregon and Oregon and glass blowing is started in the 89, 90s, same thing. There was different epicenters in the world. Southern Oregon and Eugene was one of the epicenters. It was different than Holland and the and the seed banks, but I will say a lot of the original, amazing, you know, organic, back to the land ganja farmers were in Southern Oregon and and Northern California, you know, and it was and I grew up here, so I'm I'm lucky in that way.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:26

Popular by Grateful Dead. Come on.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:30

Right? My first show was in 1990, Kelly's was 1986.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:34

1977.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:38

No competition here. You're our elder, Mark.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:41

77 is the first year you saw dead shows.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:45

Now uh he heard his calling. He's like, wait a minute, people talking old stuff, old school? Let me get it.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:52

Yeah. Hey Adam, how you doing, buddy?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:57

Nice to see you.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:58

Yeah, what's that in The back seat.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:00

Gee, I wonder. It's a freak show. It's a freak show planning. It's a freak show. And it's funny because I'm going to an event and I always bring a freak show because it's like bringing a puppy to us. You know, it's like bringing a puppy around. Everybody wants to talk about it. Everybody wants to touch it. Everybody wants to go back.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:16

So check this out. That is actually the coolest thing. Uh when I went to the Unicorn Cup, Shay from Rosebud, another living soil, regenerative farmer, awesome guy, awesome people, him and his wife Crystal. Um we I went to this event, and uh before I went, I was at my mentor, my my old school mentor, Ron Hickey's house. There's videos of me and him making bubble hash in the snow with his Bouvier dog. He lives in the Kootenies, he's lived there for quite a while now. But um Yeah, where was I going with that? I don't want to lose.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:50

Oh, trade show.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

Um but he gave me a bunch of clones and said, You gotta bring these plants to the event. And I'm like, Well, what do you want me to do with them? He's like, Oh, you can take them home and flower them on your deck. He's like, or you could give them away. So I'm like, oh, okay, whatever. I I take these plants, they're all about this big, and I put my tent up, and I've got these plants all around the outside of my tent. I was like, I I can't remember if he gave me six or eight. But then we're you know, and it's a real psychedelic event. Everyone is tripping balls, everyone is puffing and dabbing, and it's just awesome. It's outside next to this amazing lake. Rosebud Lake. And this guy, fuck, I keep losing my train of thought. I'll get through this story. Congo! I know I'll get through this story. Yes, exactly. This guy was standing with us. You might have been talking with me um at this at the time, Josh. I can't remember who was around. I just remember these young guys going, Oh, I've been trying I said something about the Congo, and they said, Oh, we've been trying to get the Congo for for quite a while, you know. Like nobody wants to give it to us, you know. Also, side note on the Congo, everyone, no one would share it. No one would share it, and nobody had it. Very few people had it. The people who had it were certainly not sharing it. Shout out to Matt, the great gardener. He did share it, he gave it to me, and then I gave it to everyone. And I gave it to these guys at Rosebud Lake at this event while we were all tripping and everyone was partying and dabbing, and they mentioned the Congo, and I said, Oh, you've been looking for the Congo? Oh, okay. And I walked away. I don't even think I said wait there. I just walked away. I went over to my tent, I got my little flashlight out, I found the Congo, I lifted it up, I walked over, and I just gave it to the guy. And he's and he goes, What's what's this? And I said, That's the Congo. And I'm fucking telling you, dude, like, if you are gonna go to a festival and you live in a state or country where cannabis is legal to have, like a clone, you should absolutely bring a clone or two or three of something special and give it away to the people that are at that event. Because the same way The Grateful Dead helped kind Bud just you know, decimate or you know, just go everywhere in North America. I think that giving away clones at events like that, having plants that even a big one like Adam's got and just being like, I'll take a cut, you know, wrap it in wet new wet tissue paper and throw it in a plastic bag and go home and root it, it's such a cool thing to do, and no one expects it. No one expects to go to a festival and be given the Congo.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:20

Like it's just balls and you have to go.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:23

Especially when you're dude, their jaws were on the floor.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:29

Yeah, Adam, what's the dominant terpene in the freak show that you have there? Have you do you have a uh a dominant terpene in there?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:38

Um it's got like a rosy kind of vibe to it almost. It's weird. It's very light, floral, and uh it doesn't really affect the flavor too much of what you cross you cross something into it. It kind of has this like it takes it takes off the whatever you're bringing into it. It's not very dominant on that side, but it is definitely on the structure, 100% dominant, you know what I mean? Like you can 100% know if it's worked or not, which is nice. I love mutations, you know what I mean? That's that's the fun thing. Go into a room, seeing all sorts of weirdness going on.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:21

Yeah, we we came across that mutation in our gardens one one year, and it it looks a lot, it's the same kind of ruffled leaf. But that's the plant that we had that had the dominant um terpene of uh valencine? Yes, the valencene plant, a valencene dominant, which is like one of the most unique ones. But when we tried breeding with it, but that terpene came back a couple times, but not the actual leaf structure. The leaf structure of the ruffle went away. And that was interesting. It was like super fleety, flighty, you know, it went away away.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:00

So yeah, when you're when you uh you gotta cross it back into itself, otherwise once you start going out with it, it disappears quickly. But once you bring it back in, it'll pop up on you again a lot. And then after about four generations, you can stabilize it to get it to the point where it's 850% further if you go to a little deeper. But it is fun. I mean, it's one of those things where it's like I think a lot of us like you know, we've we've been doing the same thing for so long that when we see something that's so unique and somebody walks in and has never seen it before, they're just so I love Max. Max is who is uh the reader behind it and from uh Canada Research. He's he's got some great stuff, great genetics. Good eyes. He's got a good eye.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:48

I found something. Well, I didn't find it. One of my uh employees actually spotted it and brought it to my attention. Different type of mutation, but I've we found a variegated bud. I wish I could show it. Oh, it's not gonna do good. Um but we found a variegated bud, right? I've seen it in leaves plenty of times. There's a lot of you know, people say different things on reasons why it happens, but man, I wish this was coming through. I might have to share it to my computer and then present it. But the variegation went all the way through the flower. That was super exciting after seeing, you know, I don't even know how many, how many buds and fat, you know, one popped through that the variegation carried all the way through the flower. Let me see if I can share it to my computer.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:37

Yeah, and then your patience is appreciated. Uh we I did figure out how to get it so you can share now.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:44

So if you want to share after Drew shares his photo or first time you see the fasciation, and you're all like, what the hell is going on here? Flat flat stems and weird growth coming off the side.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:59

It's probably interesting and and difficult to try and stabilize a plant that all it wants to do is adapt. Like the whole entire purpose of the cannabis plant is to well, it's right up there with doing stability tests on volatile organic. And that's how hard it is. It takes stability tests and AI and all this stuff to like lock it in, and and that's what it's just an interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:24

Yeah, it's kind of like an outdoor growth, all things being equal, that's kind of like where you end up sometimes because so much is uncontrollable. So all things being equal, here's the result.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:34

Even if you can't control it's one thing, but if you could perceive it, you know, that's that's just being able to perceive it to me is a massive component to be, you know, because that's just it, because you let's say, um, let's say we were taking pictures and videos of you know Drew's farm, you know, we were doing this religiously, you know, day over day.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:59

It could probably pick up something different, right? That we wouldn't even perceive. It just sees something different about this is why that happened, or at least it it would point out, like, hey, because I mean it's all about probabilities, right? It's gonna turn around and say, hey, this is what's different, right? So that kind of like you know, like when you attack a problem, you want to you want to carve the problem off and put it off to the side. That's kind of like what we what we're doing here, okay. It may not be exactly what's wrong, but you know what? Causality is in there, everything else is controlled. This is what's not controlled, so that's it. That's what you attack.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:33

Yeah, makes sense. Did you want to share that, Drew? I'm working on it. I'm trying to get it.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:40

Do you want me to bounce to VIQ first and then come back to that?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:44

Uh let me see if the share will work. It should. I click the button that says anyone can share. Actually, it says all participants, if I'm really going to be accurate.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:55

I hope this shows the right thing, guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:59

Yeah, you don't want one of those embarrassing internet moments to happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:06

Oh, I have permissions issue. Go ahead, Mike. Oh, maybe we're here.

SPEAKER_14 1:15:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:14

We haven't had too many embarrassing internet moments on hash church, to be honest. Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:19

It says I've been uh I have to quit and re- I can think of one.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:24

I've had a better churches have though.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:27

Yeah, exactly. Are you able to share Michael without closing and without without okay? You can okay. I wonder why he has to leave. That's weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:37

It's a Mac issue. I had to update permissions to for uh basically it to for uh Zoom to access my content.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:48

So so what what are we looking at here? This is a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:51

It's a lot.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:52

So ironically, a lot of um the method I use for cannabis was very similar to um the children, you know, uh methods that I built in in that hospital. So if you think about it, you walk into a situation and uh a patient comes in on this particular date and he goes home or you know dies on this particular day. So what you what you do is you basically create something called zero-based. So here now, irregardless what time this patient came in, or irregardless what day we start growing this plant, it's all on day zero. So what that means is I can compare an orange tree or an avocado tree, their life cycled over to anything. I could I can compare it to your life cycle if I wanted to, right? Did it correlate? No. But so what we have here, um, so right now I'm looking at 4,181 serial numbers, right? And and again, uh early I said I'm taking a snapshot of every single serial number every single day. Okay, so here's day 11. Here's all the snapshots. So I took 86,000 snapshots on day 11. So I can literally drill on that in real time. Okay, then I can come down and here's the uh 24-hour clock.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:07

So are those 81,000 snapshots from all the sensors that you're collecting data from?

SPEAKER_10 1:17:13

Now that that's a really deep question. Yes. Okay, and that's that's where I think uh again, it takes um a lot of experience and and uh really data engineering, but like right now, I'm gonna drill on this one serial number. Okay, so here's a truthful statement is on this particular date, I took 24 snapshots of this serial number, and here is the average temp. Okay, which looks kind of wonky because Trollmaster does weird stuff with their uh with their with their stats. But then to Drew's point, we're looking across unlimited metric stacks. So, what's a metric stack? So let's say you come to me and say, hey, I want to, I wanna um you know measure the EC, EC runoff. Great. You now have 12 dedicated fields for that. So what the system's gonna do is it's gonna track the high, the mid, the low. It's gonna track basically the spread. It's gonna give you a rolling average, right? Um, and it's gonna do that every single hour. It's gonna look back at the previous hour and it's gonna keep on trucking, right? So now we're gonna do that to every single serial number for its entire lifecycle, right? And then we end up with this. And we're doing that across every single metric. So as you imagine, how do you map a particular sensor, right? So this one sensor may go to the entire room. This one sensor may go to this particular flat, this this table. So we had to develop an entire way to map like a farm topology to the actual plants themselves. And we did that. We came up with our own topology name called FRTL, which stands for farm room table level. All right. Um, so that that way we're able to take in real-time information and map it directly to the plant, um, irregardless if it's at a batch level, serial number level, doesn't matter, right? Um, even when you move the plants, right? And again, we're we're uh tightly bound to C to sale software, right? So, and our processes run so low that you don't even have to worry about like metric integrations anymore, right? Because our processes integrate directly to metric. And and all that happens behind the scenes for you now. So again, we're that's a little ahead of the game, but I just I definitely wanted you to at least kind of see, right? So this is this is basically a 24-hour clock. Uh no, I'm sorry. Yeah, this is basically a daily plot over all of my plants. So you can see I've harmonized them all on one. If I want to look at them across a 24-hour time period, so this is the same, this is the same plot, but now I'm including the 24-hour clock, and you can see it here over time. So you can kind of see the cluster. Does this look controlled to you? Right? So this is the world of the real, right? This is just what one metric looks like over a 24-hour period of time. So now we tame it, we weaponize it. And and there was some really good conversation earlier about, and um, Drew was talking about the question, right? Where we need the right question. He's exactly right. We're the data model in the AI is so mature now, it's just like it's lazy, right? We now need to exercise it. We need the hardest questions, right? We need we need to be punched in the face, kind of questions, right? Um, and then then I'll back up. And what I need is number one, I'm I'm gonna, when I do my work, it's like, okay, what's the target? What what's what's the context? So understand we have context now. So everyone, everyone's sort of like GPT, they're called like large language models. That those engines need context, context, context, context. In one transaction, I can drill on one transaction, right? And I can put it out in Excel for you, and I can tell you the entire story of the life cycle of that plant, including the economics. Including the economics. I can I can tell you that these were the commodities that were ordered. I can tell you that this plant was projected a year ago, and we successfully grew it. These were the commodities, this is the cost. And by the way, this is this is how long it stayed in finished good inventory, and this is what it sold for, all the way down to the serial number level, all the way through.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:33

So that's that may sound insane, but that's actually it doesn't, because what it sounds like to me is for for these companies that are trying to sell herb to the to the world, right? Not just to their neighborhood or to their friends, but literally like making it a product that's available over a period of time. It can be on a shelf, all of these different things. It's very different than like just growing herb for yourself. You have to like so the LED lights, the under canopy lights, you know, what you just mentioned in a hole. To me, what I see those things are is filling up holes that used to be loss and making them gain and bringing back a level of at least somewhat of profitability to be able to survive and have your company survive. Because you know, for a while here, cannabis has become um you know very difficult to profit off of. Um, so all of these little things are uber helpful when you can increase the margin and decrease the cost, especially on a macro level like this.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:39

And without sacrificing quality, you know, I think that's been a big thing that's uh been detrimental to the cannabis industry, right? I just call it the race to the bottom, you know, that that price war that ultimately just pushes everybody's price down. You know, it almost every cultivator I know in in a commercial uh setting, right, has had to sacrifice something they do to do normally to their crop if they were growing it at home, right, in order to be able to produce it cheaper.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:15

And and that's something that's important, right, when we're talking about this, is you know decreasing costs, increasing yield, right, but still being able to maintain consistency and quality, right? We can all push the price of producing our products down, right? But most of the time it's gonna, you know, result in a in a lower quality end product.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:44

Good just reading your message here, Drew. On you should be able to share your picture in chat. It's just the same way through screen sharing.

SPEAKER_12 1:23:57

I mean, ultimately it's a commodity market and price is gonna win all day long, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:04

Yeah, I mean, well, the the funny thing is, is it's many markets, it's not just a single market. That's the confusion of cannabis. There are so many markets, and there are gonna be bigger markets than than not the same way, like you know, mainstream beer like Coors and Old Milwaukee and these, you know, these beers that just sell by the palate, they're like probably not considered the the high-end beer, but people appreciate them and buy lots of it. It's the same thing in every aspect, you know. And I don't I wonder if the beer people are like, you know, even acknowledging one another's existence. Like you got your market and we've got our market. Like in this industry, if you want, you can very much, very much. In fact, I see your technology as being able to help both or or or multiple sides of the market in the sense that for sure you could help these huge MSOs. The huge MSOs, when you save them a little bit across a long period of time, it becomes a shocking amount of money, like in the millions of dollars. Like people can't wrap their heads around it. It's like all you all we did is show them this, this, and this, and now they save like you know, like six million dollars a year. It's like, like our company doesn't do six million dollars in five years. There's so many different levels to it, but um, you know, if you can have a sort of intelligence that can help perceive things on a level that you're unable to or or make it easier to train people uh to be able to grow the plant without uh you know sometimes getting overzealous and and causing, you know, becoming the mountain in their own way. Do you want to go through these pillars?

SPEAKER_10 1:25:47

Yeah. So so right now we're kind of in the in the juicy middle. We're talking about the grow intelligence. I think it was really kind of cool. So thank you for letting us share that um that that model. Um that's something we don't share very often. So I guess that's kind of out now. Uh so that was that was something special. So um I'm really happy that we were able to do it here on your show. Um, but from there, um it's kind of like, so what, who cares? Right. Um, because yeah, because if you can't weaponize the data, if you can't really leverage the data, if you can't put it in a in a uh in a format or a playing field where your operators can actually operate, make decisions, see their decisions made true, right? In other words, here's causality. Okay, let's try something different. Did did we actually have the effect that we expected? Is it measurable? Okay, and then most importantly, is it can we reproduce that? Can we put that in our quality planning? So quality planning is massive for us. Um I can walk across the app here in a minute. Um, but first let's kind of just talk about just a really, really high level what are what are the six pillars? And I'll just kind of come down here and just kind of, I'm not gonna drain these guys, I promise you. I'm just will give me, I just want to walk through these headers really quick and also speed recorded stuff for posterity. Uh buying union. So if you think about it, let's start on the far, far left. Okay, so in other words, uh supplies are coming in, we're gonna grow something, then we're gonna end it with finished good inventory, we're gonna go into a marketplace and we're then we're going to sell it hopefully for the best price we possibly can. Okay, so if you really think, so we're supplying the left to the right, but at the same time, what are we doing? We're demanding from the right to the left, right? Let that sink in, right? So we demand labor, we demand um commodities. Okay, how much labor do we need? How many commodities do we need? That's where, again, when you have strong SOP, when you have strong command and control, right? Again, so now that that that that amazing model is still behind the scenes, but now we're actually moving into basic just literally operations. Okay, this is this is the tasking, this is workforce management. This is managing um our growth as far out into the future as we possibly can. So what smart Allows us to do is if you want to grow, if you want to grow, let's say, and again, in the world of I did some work with like some dentists, and we called it butts and seats, right? They have a thousand seats throughout Los Angeles. And it was my job to make sure that there was a butt in every single one of those seats. It's the same thing here, except now it's I guess it's plants and buckets, right? We have this many buckets. Is there a plant and they're growing that's going to turn into money? Right. It's it's the same, it's the same scenario. So what we want to be able to do is look at our our bucket count per se, right? This is the our ability to grow, and we want to project that as far into the future as possible. So what we've done is we actually created something we call the futures market. Okay, and this is this is what it looks like. Right. So in this world, right, a smart grow uh grower can basically say, um, I have these are the genetics. So we require the grower to actually daisy chain their genetics, let's say six months into the future. So as long as we know they have their genetics, we're gonna allow them to confirm a grow, right? And more importantly, they can put the grow out there into the future, and they can then invite all their dispensaries, anybody they want. And then the dispensaries can log in and basically pledge. So we know that we have a thousand plots here to make uh to make product. Okay, dispensary number one, what do you want me to grow? What do you need for your for your shelves? What do you need? This is my bandwidth. So he can so those those thousand buckets, you can actually publish it and publish 5,000, right? But then at the same time, you can see what's being pledged. A pledge is nothing more than, hey, if if this thing goes live, I'm willing to pay for it now. And by the way, we're gonna do it at a discount, right? So everyone's incentivized. And when you do that, what happens? What you do is remember, all that demand that's on my right, it smooths it out. And remember, what we're doing is we're bucketing that demand. So now I know this month, this is all the slices of demand that I have across all of my farms. It goes into our bucket, which is a buying union on the far left-hand side with our commodity managers, and they're bartering the best deal for everybody. Okay, so now these guys, and so once the genetics uh meet up, um, then basically the money is paid for from the dispensary, it goes into an escrow account. When when the product actually gets sold, simple transfer, yada yada. So this is the futures market, right? Concept right now. The marketplace is alive. Um, we're we're about to hit the shore with it. Um, as we start maturing, the futures concept will absolutely come to life. Okay. Um, so that is essentially when we look down here, the futures capacity. Okay. So so again, we're on the left-hand side here. We've talked, we're the we're on the uh commodities. Now we're gonna shift a little bit. Now we're going to go into let's see, yeah, the grow intelligence. Um, no, actually, we're going to clone management console. So the clone management console, again, I have demand coming to the right. And now we have to match the demand with our inventory. So a mother plant is inventory. That's all it is. But we need to be able to make sure that that inventory is stacked correctly. So we can then actually look across all of our mother plants and see our supply curve, matching our demand curve. Okay. Not over matching, not under, optimized. Optimized, right? And then of course, any cut that ever comes from a mother plant, we know. We know that this mother plant had 1200 cuts, a thousand of them made it to market, and this was the money it made. So I can literally tell you cost of goods sold and margin at a mother plant level. So that's the kind of that's the kind of control that we've we've established. Okay, um, let me go on and go back up here. Pictures are fun to look at. Okay. So finished good, uh, let's see, risk throw, risk, essentially, okay. So now, okay, so how do you actually control something? Right? Just think about that. Um, the AI, little red ball, little, little red lights are starting to go off. Okay, but how do you actually control the what's actually happening on the floor? Um, so what we what we created was a seed to sale SOP. So we created an application that's called that's literally called the uh QRA, which is the quality routine application. That's kind of what it looks like. So this is basically workforce management on stewards. Okay, so every every employee um you know is invited to the application, they log in, they have their own profile, they can put in their availabilities. Um, when start of day happens, they actually the tasking actually happens on their phone themselves, right? So here's basically a serialization routine, right? Here's all the instructions, right? This is what I need you to do. And then they actually go to the place themselves, activate the task, scan the batch tag, right? Confirm, actually perform. So while this is happening, right, um we're doing some very sophisticated um stuff in the background. Like let's say, Adam, I gave you a task, I gave Drew a task, right? It's a one-hour task each, right? But Drew got it done in half an hour, and you took the full hour. Well, little did you know behind the scenes there's a point system. Okay, so every quarter hour is a point. So Drew got his done in two points, you got yours done in four. Drew's two points go back into the marketplace, and then he get he'll get redirected to another task that may be suffering. So it has like a harmonizing approach. Okay, so that's workforce management on steroids, but all based off of SOP. Okay, but what happens if let's say the the AI says, hey, we we see EC spiking at this FRTL. Someone needs to go there and take a manual reading. Drew has already created um that task in in hand, and it would actually then prescribe that task. When that task is prescribed, right, then it would actually then go up to the command view here, right? So this is all of the tasking that is happening. So remember earlier on when I said demand, all of the labor demand that you have projected is actually right here. So this would this would go down pretty deep, right? But then just like a PES dispenser, as work is being done, you can actually click into the task and you can actually see it being done. You can see the points being eaten faster than the hours. You can see the marketplace regenerating those points, providing you more value on the floor. If something goes sideways, though, then it goes up into an alert status. This is your middle pane. And again, I can be looking at five farms simultaneously across multiple states while this is happening. And then finally, all the C to sale validation and all the alerts. So let's say that we did have some issue on the floor, and Drew's routine is like, hey, get someone into this FRTL, let's fix that problem. But then guess what? The next day we need to do this, the next day we need to do that. So, in other words, what I just did is I alerted, I prescribed, and I complied.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:41

Was that a question? I think Adam might have had his mic on for a second. Or do you have a question, Adam? That's good.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:48

No, no, no, I didn't have a question. Okay. Except how come I didn't get the how come I took so long to do my job? I don't even know what what I was doing there. I don't know what I was doing.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:58

All right, probably a good time to take a quick pause, but you you can you can kind of see um what we're doing is it's it's bilateral. So on one side we have SOP SOP, it generates all of the work proactively, but then something's gonna go wrong. And we have uh we have this um concept at Tallgrass, right, called APC, which stands for alert, prescribe, comply. So alert, alerts happen, they're benign, but when we see it reach a threshold, we're always in a pre-failure mode, right? So we actually prescribe, in other words, hey, go do this because we're in a pre-failure mode. Hopefully. Hopefully the house didn't burn down. Um, but once we open that door for for prescription, we always have to close the door. Okay, so so Drew um is gonna have a final task that is just like, okay, final confirmation, day five. EC's good. We fixed the sensor, he writes down his notes. Unfortunately, the AI is going to realize that these plants were were uh probably baked a little bit by high um EC. It's gonna be noted in the metrics, right? So if we if we have a fail to thrive event, something like that happens, we'll know we know the causality. And then most importantly, again, we're highly, highly coupled to um seed to sale metric and what have not. So if I want to come in here um at the end of the day, and again, there's validators on the floor who could do this, but if um if it doesn't happen, then this actually pushes that to metric itself.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:28

Uh and something something that's important to note there, right? Like there's things that we have to do by law to keep our license and be able to do this, right? That becomes a whole nother job on the floor. Um, so yes, it's huge that we take care of that through our processes, right? But what actually has happened, and part of the reason why we decided to go this route, right, is because we're tying all of the data, you know, all of the all of the inputs, all of your environmentals, everything actually down to the physical product, right? Instead of having to go back and compare, you know, timelines on uh you know uh temperature graphs and you know your EC measurement graphs and all your instruments, right? They're all just time-based, right? So where you would have to go back and find all those uh you know sections of data and look at them to see you know what what those went into, right? And just think, like, right, you're looking at at a COA test, you know, a good 35 days after after harvest, right? So by the time you even get, you know, let's just say you're lit lab data, right? All of that data, think of how far that is back in your data history, right? Because those sensors start capturing capturing another crop. You're getting new data again, right? By the time you actually have your results, right? Your data is already in the past. How much of a pain, you know, like uh I have about uh anywhere from 14, you know, somewhere around 14,000 plants alive at our farm, right? There's 50 employees total for the whole building, you know, there's always fires to put out to to be able to associate all that data actually to the product, right? To know that when you're looking at, you know, sour diesel flour, right, that we have the exact data that went into producing that.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:42

It really turns in from descriptive to um actionable. And again, what you what you're gonna see in in these tool sets is a is we're gonna deprioritize 99% of all of the data. We're only gonna bring up or we're only gonna present you with things where um there's causality, right? Um, you know, we're in a gray area that we that we need a human brain to actually kind of you know fit help us figure something out, um, or it's filtering priority, prioritizing on extreme performance, right? So, and again, everything that we do is like on inequality. So, why is the 2% of this driving 20% of your profit? Those are metrics. So there's another dashboard that's that we're gonna ramp up called the product performance dashboard. But what it does is it is it works on inequalities, right? So what I just said, how is 2% driving 20%? Well, that that's a ratio. We're gonna paint that ratio across every strain, every farm, every every worker, any dimension that we need to, we can have you know those those really, really interesting rolling averages going through time. And then more importantly, when we see a velocity of change of performance for better or for worse, you see, I'm gonna deprioritize 99% of your world and say these are the five things that are impacting you unequally for for good and for bad. And then we look at it and we just like, okay, we're gonna wrap alerts around these things. I want to know when we find a really cool bud, like uh like Drew did, because I want to hyperfocus on that FRTL to see how that happened. Or, you know, we have fifth, we have uh 300 fail to thrive events. What the hell happened there? Right? I need to really hyper focus on you know that the events that precursored that. So we're still we're always getting p-learning, but at least in this scenario, when we finally ask a really good question, we can isolate it and then we learn from it, and then we understand its signature, and it only gets better and stronger. Is that making sense?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:44

Yeah, it's uh it's a lot of data for sure. I look like I I wonder, I mean, obviously uh Drew's a grower himself. He's saying he's got 14,000 plants going. What uh you've been growing for a long time, Adam. What piqued your curiosity about this in this particular one? Because I'm sure you have so many things that are brought to your plate on the regular, but this one caught your attention.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:09

Are you muted? Maybe gone. I don't even know. I can't. Oh wait. Uh he's not on camera right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:19

Oh, Tom's here though. I think he started to talk. He was definitely muted though. Oh yeah, yeah, he is muted. You're right. I see him now. Asked to unmute. It's harder on a phone because you have to like slide the this time.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:34

Sometimes it's hard. I'm all over the I was trying to set send you a text at the same time, Marcus. Um, no, the reality uh what what piqued my interest was the fact that I already see how quickly AI is taking over every aspect of everything, right? And and I also see how quickly I'm falling behind. But luckily I have a 14-year-old kid who's very knowledgeable already. And I thought, wow, this is gonna, this is gonna be the implanted into every grow at some point. So I felt like it was a perfect opportunity. Plus, having being old school and never like wanting to write stuff down. I'm like the worst, I'm like the worst data collector you could ever imagine. I'd be like, it's all in my head, it's all in my head, every formula's in my head, every you know, when I try to leave town and tell my mom what to do, it's like uh it's like pulling teeth sometimes, you know. So now I realize, you know, if you're trying to run a team and you're trying to run, you know, 50 people like Drew's doing there, you this is like a tool you're gonna need 100%. And and uh so I and from a genetics point of view, I thought it's great to be able to, you know, put all of our genetics in there and get some data from that because I've also been outside the system a lot of times too, where you know everybody's asking me for COAs and things, and I'm like, there's not no COA on this. This is the COAs in my head. And like last time when we were doing the testing over at Kyle's place, and your your guys had the testing machine there, and I gave him some hash to test and I said, Well, I think it's gonna be about 80%, and it came out to 79.8%. So I was like, see, I don't need no freaking data.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:02

It's in my head.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:04

But the reality is there, you know, when you have uh 5.4 million, or what he said, 54 million data points, I don't think I could manage that, you know. So it I just feel like it's the obvious uh uh direction that everything's going.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:18

It's so neat to see in the chat because you get right away you get the purists who are like, this just sounds like it's for Chads, you know, this is just like some way for Chads to tell other Chads. And I'm just like, I think it is. You probably should listen a little deeper, but it's always neat to see how like if I was my own personal grower, I wouldn't see this as a threat to me, even if I didn't want to do it. But for some reason, that's how it's seen. It's seen as like, well, you're just gonna turn plants into data points. It's like, well, or you could say it like you're just gonna make it like easier for them not to fuck up.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:56

Yeah, yeah. And think about all the things you'll you'll figure out that will help other people who don't use AI, you know what I mean? Just the fact that you put it out there in the world, like, hey, guess what? We've seen a pattern develop. And I always tell everybody to be a good grower is is just recognizing patterns. And sometimes patterns and they take three months to happen. So those patterns are in slow motion, right? So it's the the fact that if you don't see it after the three months and you keep doing the same mistakes over and over and over again, then you'll you'll never get out of that little bubble that you're in. Whereas if you had something to go back on and look, I always I'm always amazed. Even like my mile, my mile checker on my car, like when I drive around and I go do my taxes and I start looking, I'm like, oh, imagine if I had to write all this down, like I'm just like write, oh, I drove over here for five minutes, I drove over there, and I drove, and then all of a sudden I would have lost like$10,000 in in you know taxes and being able to you know claim on my taxes. And that's sort of the same thing. It's like having that mile IQ on your car is like having that on your plants and and giving you all these data that you wouldn't just not you're not there. What I always tell people too is if you're 24 hours in a day, you might spend two, three hours in your room. There's still 22 other hours that you're or 20 uh, you know, one other hours that you're not there, and things are happening, lots of stuff's happening. And so just to be able to be able to look back, like back in the day when they had the little graph, remember in the greenhouse with the little to tell you the highs and the lows, that to me was already huge. Like, wow, you can see where this, you know, at nighttime when it dropped below 20. And that's why I have purple plants, you know what I mean? And just like, but if you didn't have the data, you wouldn't know what time it happened, or you know, now you can you you realize, like, oh, okay, I my my heater broke and if I didn't turn this, I didn't flick a switch. Or so there's there's a lot to be learned, and you know, it's I can see where people get nervous, but at the same time, it's just evolution in reality of you know, it's nothing they haven't even touched on the insurance side.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:53

Oh, attention right there.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:58

Let me bring that up with Adam really quick, right? Because uh remember, what you're experiencing here is is absolutely completely normal. Um, anytime I take on a new client, it's culture, um, it's it's terrifying to change. But for all those provers out there, understand you're what this is going to do, it's going to prove you right, or God forbid, it's gonna prove you wrong. Okay, it's gonna remove the mystery, but okay, but so what? Maybe you like the mystery, but okay, but guess what? The mystery is still gonna be there, but now you're going to be hunting the mystery in that 5%, not in that 30%. So if you are if you really do want a better, a better quality, again, this is just quality engineering backed by backed by AI that helps you box in what you learn. Okay, it's not making the decisions for you. And by the way, I'm writing a book called Attainable AI, where I break apart what is tactical AI and strategic AI. Smart grow is the use case to the book I'm writing. Okay, so listen, I I'm a human first person when it comes to AI. Um, that's why I'm developing strategic systems that actually guardrail AI. We will have humanoids in our farms. It's going to happen. Okay, it's gonna happen. It's inevitable. So, how do we harmonize that? And how do we protect our humans, right? And and their intellectual property that really, really help us grow our farms. So these are the, you know, so we're we're five years ahead of how we're thinking about these things. Um, it's inevitable. Uh, we live in a very crazy, interesting time right now, but just understand this is gonna prove you right, right? And and those who who are afraid to be proven right because they don't want to be accountable to the truth, those are the folks who are really gonna have a hard time with their future.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:48

Yeah, it is interesting how it's very much human nature to resist. Yeah, not and and not always um yeah, it's just because belief system is. I remember Terence saying it in like the 80s, McKenna said that belief systems are the anchors, uh, the anchor of mankind. Belief systems are the anchor of mankind, and I didn't I quite understand it until I got older. And I was like, wow, like the more fervently you believe something, the more you become blind to the opposition of that thing that you're believing in, because well, you believe in that so fervently that obviously its opposite couldn't possibly exist. It's a weird way to shave parts of reality outside of your perceivable experience.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:38

Um and and and and both are good potentially, you know, like like we're saying, like that you you you create your reality, yeah, and then in that you have tools that you can work with. I wonder how many data points our brain is capable of producing. And I understand, like we always talk about oh, our brain. Is tired, it forgets, it's not optimized, it's not a computer. And but the more we move away from using our brain, and the more we move away from intuition, the less we have of it. So, and and I get it, like this is a tool. It's not it's not creating information, it's processing information that's given to it. So it's it's accumulative data, you know, from the point of view of humanity.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:34

Well, it's radical abundance, you know, in its highest form. It like when people are like, Well, what, just robots are gonna grow our weed? It's like, yeah, and we're gonna surf, we're gonna do all this cognitive activity, we're not gonna be working.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:47

Like, are you kidding me? I wonder um if the farther we move the plant away from nature, the more we need these kinds of systems.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:00

It depends on what your definition of nature is, because everything that this system, everything this system was built with seemedly came from nature and was created by nature, but your belief system might believe that it's not nature and then you can separate it, or it's not natural. But when you go to the periodic table of elements and you break everything down, it it gets to become a philosophical discussion, right? It's like, well, what does your belief system require for you to feel better about it? The perspective of how you're going to look at this thing that neither changes, it just doesn't change regardless of our perspectives of looking at it. It becomes it's still the neutral thing that it always was. It's just us that puts the oh, I like that or I don't like that sort of perspective on it.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:50

Yeah, I mean, if you if you're not paying money to really grow because you're a family farm and and and all of your elements you can't predict, even with weather, you can't predict weather. It's all modified to begin with. It's it's it there's nothing natural really happening around you. The one thing you have is being able to adapt, right? Just like you're saying with AI, you're you're using that that system and nothing teaches you like experience. So I I just uh personal, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:36

I just so it's well, because it's not an all or nothing. This isn't to replace that, and that's not a good thing. It's called options, exactly, yeah. And the more options you have, probably the more likely you're finding yourself on a place like planet earth where everyone's here to just sort of create options and experiences and and I'll just say pathways.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:59

The option that we're upholding is the one that says, when there is no doctor, well, how do you heal someone? What when there is no electricity, can we still grow? When there is no more healthy seeds, or the clones are now ailing with hemp latent virus, whatever, like can we still grow?

SPEAKER_04 1:53:29

So we're in that so you're projecting yourself into a futuristic worst case scenario and preparing for it.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:37

No, it's not again, it's just and I'm not it's not about comparing, like this is a fun place.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:43

No, no, I said preparing.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:44

No, it and I'll just uh this is a fun place, it's exciting to be in the spot where you're it's not doomsday in the way I see it. It's it's more it's it's it's exciting as a human to be able to interact with nature in a natural setting because you know it's it's healthy to your body, right? To move around a farm, it's healthy for your mind to think, it's healthy for the plants to grow together. I want to have as much food as I have medicine, right? So I'm trying to grow as much potatoes and flowers as I am cannabis. So my needs are they're different than a normal commercial grower. They're just it's a it's a different model, it's a there's different inputs needed to to achieve that, you know, and the data inputs well.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:45

Maybe this isn't for you.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:46

It's it but that's what I'm saying. It's really interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:50

This isn't for you, it's I don't think it's for everyone. I think it'll start for a certain group of people, and then I think the people who have uh you know, this has happened with technology since the beginning of time. People opposed the radio, they oppose dancing, gyrating hips, they oppose the television, they oppose the internet, they oppose cellular telephones, all by the way, while using those same technologies they were opposing. And all while using them. And then I think that everything we come up with, like even you know, whatever it could be, will there'll always be some sort of and I appreciate that too, because I also love what you call nature, just the farm or the TP out on the floor, you know, with the fire instead of the uh lights plugged in at the campsite. Like I absolutely have a huge appreciation for nature, but I'm also half alien and want to take the rocket ship into space and so also have an affinity for technology. I love technology. I mean, honestly, fuck the technology we're using right now, if it didn't exist, uh we wouldn't be able to have these conversations for the last 12 years. And I had no idea, I knew AI would surprise me eventually. But when James and Bike got together and created this new, I don't want to call it AI, because that's not necessarily what it is, but this new way of aggregating data and searching hash church, like people can search hash church, Josh, and be like dragonfly earth medicine. It's gonna give every single episode that you guys were ever on with a breakdown of everything you said searchable. Like this is a this is available almost today.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:33

Oh my god, I respect the angle that's being put out here. I I know you see the the I see the value in it, and just like you're giving it as a thing that really matters, like I'm just presenting uh that other option of what matters as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:51

Well, dude, listen, you guys do that very well. That's what the dragonfly earth medicine is, it's the representation of that other option. That's why we have you on Hash Church all the time to talk and share about it.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:02

And I definitely dude, we we're so appreciative of this community.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:06

I love plants growing on my deck that came from you. Seeds that that you and Kelly gave me are like out on my deck, like blooming right now.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:13

Not cannabis plants, but other flowers and and life is about fractals, like it we're fractaling information as we move ahead. And without a fractal, you never have newness, you'll never have an understanding of what's coming. So, and again, we've been and Kelly's right here now. She can talk about. I mean, we we we worked with midwifery and we've worked with you know the doctor model, the hospital model, the they have every graph in the world for a pregnant woman, right? They have every graph in the world for a baby, and then there's the traditional midwife right next door. And when you're let's say in an earthquake and there's there are is no electricity and there's still people having babies all over the place, can you operate in that model?

SPEAKER_04 1:57:58

I well, no, and listen, we actually use the midwife for two of my wife's pregnancies. Two of our children were born with a midwife, and one of them was born in the hospital. And that example that you give, can you do it in an earthquake? Well, it flips as well. Like when your baby's dying, can the midwife save it? In our case, the answer was no, and my wife had to be rushed to a hospital, and the baby's life was saved, thanks to you know, the actual hospital. And so both my wife's uh home births ended up being rushed to the hospital, and her hospital birth, which was in Squamish, ended up just being pretty chill. And we came home like later that day. So it does go both, it does go both ways.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:41

I have should be able to exist together. They have to, you gotta fight for intelligence. Unfortunately, often the natural side gets made illegal and it gets taken out of the option of insurance and it gets ostracized. Well, it's been like that since we were ostracized as um anecdotal, yeah, and it gets dismissed as not real information because in some way our we don't trust our minds to be valid information, and you're not wrong, somehow adaptable or whatnot.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:23

The division is also hurtful of the two, like it just needs to be the problem with political parties, there are these fractions, and then you have to pick one, but then be against everything the other one says. When in reality, in any group setting, you should pick like the best ideas from everyone, and that should become the sort of common sense of how the group exists, not one particular side or another of the group. That's why I try not to fall into I feel like being divided by politics is to be played the monkey. You become the useful idiot when you become like um fueled by either side, when you're just like both of these motherfuckers are eating babies. I know it.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:06

It takes away critical objective thinking. You start feeling like you have to think with the group, and that's that's not the best way to do it.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:14

Um it's like arguing about flat earth, to be honest.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:18

In Oregon in the 90s, with midwifery and organics, like you used to be able to coexist together in birth. And then we moved to British Columbia in the late 90s, and it was initially really good for home birth and natural birthing, and then they made it legal. And the minute they made midwifery legal in British Columbia, it became illegal to people in the forest and people that lived more than 45 minutes away from the home.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:54

Well, by legal, what they what you did was you had to be registered.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:58

Well, that's the point. So you lost midwifery just like they legalized cannabis, and now you have 80% less family growers doing it far away from society in a way that's based off tradition. So we're in a category of people that have been um displaced, displaced because no longer does that system fit into regulation, it's not validated in the same way. So it would be nice to be in an equals uh setting where we're genuinely offering our experience to humanity, and then a person has lots of options, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:54

But human nature is that one side is always gonna beat the other side, and that side is always gonna be sociopathic, and they're not gonna be like empathetic and want to be equal. Equality almost just doesn't exist. If you look at the nature program, equality is like this lion is gonna go out there and it's gonna hunt the sickest or the oldest or the youngest gazelle, and then it's gonna consume it whole while the family watches on the sidelines in our gut.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:22

Healthy microbes consume pathogens, yeah. So it's it's reality, it is reality, and there's a thing where we all get along and we're in a polyculture setting where it's we're not actually ever powerful alone, so it's it requires working together to adjust.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:44

Speaking of getting along and working together, I want to introduce Etienne to Terry and Terry to Etienne, fellow veterans and cannabis promoters. So I was telling uh uh Terry about you earlier, Etienne, and now that you're here, I would love for you guys to just kind of introduce yourselves and and get to know one another as as uh cannabis uh promoting veterans.

SPEAKER_13 2:03:16

Nice to meet you.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:18

I can't hear you, Etienne, even though you're unmuted. It's doing the weird just lighting a giant fatty.

SPEAKER_15 2:03:25

There you are. There you go. No, I'm familiar with Tom's work. Tom's been doing this stuff for for a long time, so I've great.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:37

Yeah, Terry's a fellow veteran.

SPEAKER_13 2:03:45

I recently moved to Boulder, so I'm out of Colorado now.

SPEAKER_15 2:03:51

Right on. Well, welcome, Terry. Always good. Uh you uh USMC, I can tell by the hat.

SPEAKER_13 2:03:58

I was in the Marine Corps ninety-one to ninety-five. What was your MOSC? Uh I was in artillery.

SPEAKER_14 2:04:09

I was too. I was 13 Bravo. Nice, nice, nice. So you as well.

SPEAKER_15 2:04:17

Well, uh or the uh were the equivalent in the marine code.

SPEAKER_13 2:04:20

Yeah, we were 1811.

SPEAKER_14 2:04:22

So I was um I I was on the line of the game. 155. SP's 109 Alpha 3s? No, 155.

SPEAKER_15 2:04:34

Oh, I I know that, but I was on the self-propelled 109 alpha threes.

SPEAKER_13 2:04:38

Oh, nice, nice. Yeah, we did artillery brothers, eh? Yeah, yeah. You went to Ford Sale?

SPEAKER_15 2:04:45

Yes, I did. Yeah, yeah. And of course, I served in uh Desert Storm with uh as the artillery detachment for the French Foreign Legion.

SPEAKER_10 2:04:53

So you were you were out of France then?

SPEAKER_15 2:04:57

I was uh I was uh the front lines attached to them because the French Foreign Legion doesn't have artillery, they're very up close and personal. Um, whereas the uh yeah, your your artillery, you know, we we had some distance and then uh clear it out. But they tried to recruit me. Uh it was like 10 years, and um they're scheduled three wars ahead of time, and yeah, not not necessarily my my thing, but since I had tattoos and I had a French name and I spoke French, they were like, we want to recruit you. But I was yeah, I had my share of uh I was uh 89 to 9 uh three and yeah, that was that was I was 88 to 92.

SPEAKER_10 2:05:40

So I I served out of uh Stukart. What were your what was your MOS, Michael? The 31 Mike, 31 Foxtrot, 31 Delta, and some other weird designation. I was just trying to make my E5, man. What was what's 31? 31 is it's a signal. So there's yeah, so you got taxat mixed in there, you got um, you know, every everything from uh from sitting in a signal shelter putting up 50-foot antennas in the middle of the desert so no one can see. Yep, to uh to basically putting up that stupid little umbrella, you know, hiding hiding in a ditch.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:17

You out there collecting data points, Michael? I said, you out there collecting data points?

SPEAKER_10 2:06:24

I was just trying not to get my ass blown up or more even cursed because we all went to their war. We went to that war with wet mop suits, knowing they're gonna throw stare and gas on our ass. We knew we were dead, man. There was no chance of survival. No chance. So we all rode ourselves off for dead. And then thankfully, they the chemical weapons never showed up.

SPEAKER_15 2:06:44

What's your proposition? Go ahead. I got hit with those, unfortunately. I was over by Al Basra and I got wounded and my boot got pulled off in a contaminated environment. So I ended up with some um, it was just called NBC, nuclear biological and chemical exposure. They couldn't figure out because again, a lot of the places we overran, um, demo would come right behind us and blow up those bunkers that were about a half a mile to a mile deep. And my unit got the fallout from a lot of those. And so in '97, I got a seven-page dossier from DOD saying, Hey, you were exposed to this. I was like, Oh, great. So for me, um, I um I started to talk to the VA about my medical marijuana use, and the VA would physically uh call security and have me removed from VA facilities. This is back in the mid-90s, and uh fortunately my good friend Michael Crowitz helped create a law called Directive 1315, which now allows you since 2010, uh veterans to speak with their doctors about medical cannabis without losing their access or their um their benefits.

SPEAKER_10 2:08:03

That's that culture, man. We gotta we gotta attack that culture.

SPEAKER_15 2:08:07

And we have. I mean, that's the one of the main things we're we're working uh behind the scenes. I have created an organization called the Veterans Action Council. You may have heard of us, but uh, we're very active at the national and international level. Uh we lobby at Congress and we're working uh behind the scenes on medical cannabis and psychedelic access uh for our veterans. Because as you know, my brothers and sisters are having a rough time, especially assimilating in uh back into society. My my first year back after war, I was a nasty girl, so I got activated. For those who don't know, nasty girl is the National Guard where it's one weekend a month, two weeks out of the year. So I um yeah, I uh basically got pulled out of my semester of college um at West Virginia University. I was going to art school and uh got activated, and within a few months there I was sitting on the front lines. And then after my injuries and some rehab and coming back home, I was a fucked up puppy. I mean, drinking a lot. I was probably drinking about a fifth eject age. So, yeah, as you know, alcohol is very tolerated in the uh civilian and military world, but cannabis pulled me out of it, and I'm forever thankful for my friends and uh who always made sure I had access to cannabis because it uh it saved my ass for sure. And so ever since then, um I've been active uh was with an organization called the Cannabis Action Network. And so I did uh rallies in '93 and '94 in 47 US states, going out and telling people, you know, hey, I'm a veteran. I was wounded. I use this as medicine. And it was a very powerful story. I had all kinds of veterans coming up to me saying, hey man, appreciate what you're doing. You know, I'm doing the same thing, but I can't talk to the VA about it because, you know, the whole situation back then. So it's really taboo. Yeah. Well, but I also found a camaraderie, you know, because uh back then, even, you know, we were all being shoved pills. You know, we were I was given all the perca sets and all the morphine I wanted, um, but I didn't like it because again, I was an artist, creative type.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:23

So what's your opinion about Iran and what's happening with uh the prep the year, you know, the predictions of what's coming? I just have a thought about it.

SPEAKER_15 2:10:33

I hate have seeing more veterans being created, combat veterans being created. You know, I know what comes with that. We all do, you know, and it's not fun, it's its own journey. And each one of us, depending on what you were and what you're exposed to, you know, people kill themselves pretty quickly because they can't handle all the above. And so that's one of the reasons why I created the Veterans Action Council was during um COVID, so that we could talk to each other because we're worried about being isolated. And unfortunately, it turned out to be true for our very much disabled brothers and sisters because that limited isolation did cause an increase in suicides. So um, you know, we're constantly educating, talking, and reaching out because you know what we have found is that we have to take care of each other as veterans, and so we're always sending and reaching back out to help each other because there's times when the VA won't help or assist us, so we always have to lift each other. So that whole thing about looking at each other's back, you know, during combat, that all follow follows after your service. Um and so, you know, to your point, Josh, fucking hate it. There should be no reason we're there. You know, we've been in that part of the country and we know what happens, and these forever wars are what we don't need. And you know, I was in a war over oil. I say it. The guys I serve with are like, oh, you can't say that. We liberated a democracy. Well. Well, sorry, Kuwait is a monarchy, always has been, always will be. And so we learned a lot of misinformation that we were taught as propaganda by our government. We learned on the ground that was not necessarily the case. And that is the most fucked up part about it, Josh, is you get unfiltered truth when you're in a war zone that you're not going to hear on the evening news. But at the same time, you know, these people are put in fucked up and compromising situations. And I I hope there's enough of them that can say, no, this is unjust. This is this is wrong. But unfortunately, there's not going to be many that do that because they're, as Terry and Mike will tell you, once you've signed your life away, your life is away. You are basically at the behest of your government. And you want to, there is no shittier feeling than your inability to exercise your freedoms of rights or speech as a human being because you're locked down in the military. It royally sucks. But that's also, if not, you know, you can be uh charged with the UCMJ, which is Uniform Code of Military Justice. And as one who's had a swift boot kick in the ass, uh, you know, they fuck with your pay, you know, and the pay sucks as it is. Just to give you an idea, Josh, you know how much we got paid for combat pay in a combat zone in 1991 per month? Tell me.$110. Wow. That was combat pay back then. That's your extra, right? For your little extra worry worry for schmokes.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:42

But back in 1990, I was making four dollars and twenty-five cents an hour minimum wage. I was still a teenager, you know.

SPEAKER_15 2:13:49

But and you were still making more than us.

unknown 2:13:52

Wow.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:53

And you had your ass on the line, your future on the line, the country on the line.

SPEAKER_11 2:13:58

Like oh, yeah, people shooting live ammo at you.

SPEAKER_15 2:14:03

You get the zing zings going by your head, as my stepdad told me, he was World War II. You would be amazed at how much of your body you can fit into your fucking helmet. That's scary. I don't wish it on anybody. Peace, and then get it the fuck out of fucking Iran. We should not be there in any way, shape, or form. And you see all the fuck-ups that's happened because there's more than enough people who've done enough projections because there's enough generals and all those other people who they run these scenarios all the time and have for decades. And they went there. And unfortunately, we're kind of fucked. And uh, all I'm hoping for is that this fucking president dies. Fuck Trump, fuck everything about him. Don't care what y'all think there, but you know, I look forward to some obituaries with great glee.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:58

I'll just leave it at that. Fair enough, brother. Fair enough. Much respect to all involved. Uh, I guess on both sides, for that matter, you know, and uh yeah, much respect to you all. And and I have to uh bow out from my from a family standpoint upstairs and everything. And I appreciate the conversation today. Thank you to uh everyone involved. It was nice to meet some of the brothers on here I haven't met yet. Thanks, Marcus, uh, AT and Mark. I don't know if Mark's still here, I can't see him, but um, we love you all. And I hope you have uh the great day, great week. Much love and respect uh out to everyone's endeavors, business and personal. And uh we hope you have a wonderful day.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:41

Have a good one, guys.

SPEAKER_15 2:15:42

Love you, Josh.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:43

Enjoy it, enjoy it.

SPEAKER_15 2:15:45

So, Terry, what do you do in cannabis?

SPEAKER_13 2:15:48

Um I'm actually uh uh like I said, a part of a nonprofit. We uh um my friend and I, his name's CJ, he's been in the cannabis game for a very long time. Um, we worked at other nonprofits before, and uh we just wanted to create our own. We uh wanted to you know spark out and set our own path in the nonprofit space. So we created a C19 so we can do more uh advocacy work. So um, like I said, it's called Operation Green Healing. We wanted to focus on more of the peer support integration. Um when people come back from these ayahuasca journeys or mushroom journeys, they need a place to come in and into a private setting. We have a Discord channel, you know, we want all the vests to come in and hang out and you know, just feel just feel at home and feel with other veterans and just come in and talk camaraderie. You know, we if you want to learn how to grow, you know, we'll we'll teach you how to grow, you know, we'll put we'll you know, we'll get you set up in the best way possible. We just want to, you know, you know, just get you back on your feet and get you going again.

SPEAKER_15 2:17:02

No, that's important. It's uh it's a a really uh as we've found growth therapy is extremely helpful for veterans. Um actually having them take something from you know start to finish fucking more powerful than almost any other medicine in some resolves, to take a simple thing that you're going through a tough time and then you create it and then you watch it blossom and then you put in more work and time to make it better. I mean, it's it's uh um probably one of the most uh helpful therapies I've been through as a veteran because one uh we're taught to destroy, right? Our final objective is to kill, right? So to do the opposite, to create, to uplift, and bring beauty, it's kind of the opposite, but it's probably one of the most healing, wonderful energies I've seen. Um, when you see that connection between a person and a plant. I've seen it from cancer patients, aid patients to veterans. You know, there's just a genuine connection that nature, when you're helping grow something, especially during a tough situation, it can literally help you grow out of it. And that is is powerful and one that uh it isn't talked about enough because um, you know, people don't realize how hard it is to grow cannabis, right? As I say, growing cannabis is easy, growing medical cannabis is hard. Growing medical cannabis consistently is an art. And those who understand that understand that, you know, because anybody can just grow a plant, but can you get it to the ultimate expression of what you want to see, which is what we want, because what we want from the hash that that we make, it has to come from the best flower. We can't polish a turd, as they say, right? So, in the sense, do you get it give access to clones and genetics, or do you have an access to genetic libraries so that veterans can get access to solid genetics to grow and provide for themselves?

SPEAKER_13 2:19:16

We don't do any uh plant touching. Um, I mean, we can recommend stuff on the side, but our organization, we don't do any plant touching or anything like that. We give out free seeds, sensi seeds has been great to us. Um, they've given out almost$14,000 free for veteran seeds. Um, so we do stuff like that. Um, if they have questions, we have a Discord where they can come in, we'll answer questions on how to grow. And I do agree with you. Um, my good friend CJ, the uh co-founder of this organization, he preaches horticultures therapy, gives a veteran a uh reason to wake up in the morning, gets him downstairs, gets his body moving, gives him that connection with the plant. It just gives him a reason to wake up every morning, and then at the end of the cycle, he gets to smoke his uh fruits of the labor and start a new cycle.

SPEAKER_15 2:20:12

So no, that's that's important, that continuity, but also having a cycle also helps, right? Because as you know, uh I call gardens um uh time machines because I always go into a garden just for a minute, and next thing I know, how many hours later do I come out going, oh shit, the sun's going down, oh damn it. Oh, this is not good, you know. Because you once you get in tune with the plant and you listen to it, if you learn to listen, I think you all agree, it tells you what you need to do, right? If you listen very intently and know what you're looking for, you know, and so teaching those things are are a very special treat, especially to watch somebody who's been not so successful in growing and help them shape it into the desired effect that they want, is a stewardship that um is um untouchable in the sense it's just a wonderful feeling to teach. It's another thing to teach and watch something grow with that knowledge, right? That is is that empowerment when you see that instilled in a veteran, you can also see that torch that's lit because they also want to now carry that torch, but also light that torch for somebody else in their darkness and bring them into that light. Because um we've I've seen that multiple times when people are in very dark places, and just that camaraderie of here, help, come help me with this, and then watching them grow through that is uh an amazing feeling and sensation. I I hope everybody can experience because uh learning is very humbling, but teaching is even more humbling.

SPEAKER_13 2:22:07

I agree, and um I'm not here to to bash the alcohol industry, but um I think I'll do that for you, Terry. I'll do it too. But I think that uh more veterans should switch to cannabis and stay off the alcohol. Um I think it's a lot better for them. So that's one thing I I I definitely preach is uh off the alcohol and onto the cannabis.

SPEAKER_15 2:22:35

So yeah, it's a harm reduction in a level in a way that you know once they experience, once you experience the no-hangover, oh oh, oh yeah, that's an amazing sensation, you know, because uh most of us in the military um we camaraderize in a bad way, especially around alcohol. We we have a bad, you know, let's out drink each other, let's you know, really get into the drinking games. And I've seen absolutely dumb stupidity around alcohol and very much things that would get us arrested as compared to, of course, you know, doing cannabis. But of course, you can't smoke currently. So that's one of the things that we're working on is service members. If you're allowed to drink and go home after you know service, you should be able to do the same with cannabis. And I agree. That's 100%. We we you know, if you can have a class six store on post that sells alcohol tax-free, you should do the same thing for cannabis, in my opinion, and have access to it. Um, because honestly, as a nasty girl back in uh 1989, after a two-weeker, my unit NCOs got all got around in a little large circle, all took our tops off, and then uh because I was invited to it, and then they were told to light them and pass them to the left, and then about six guys lit joints and passed them to the left, and we all smoked them, and you know what? The next day there was a urinalysis, and all the NCOs were called, and for some reason we all popped clean, so it was very amazing that there are or were in-roads and friendlies throughout service, but of course, I know a lot of that has changed, but I will say this I did score hashish in Saudi Arabia before I went to the front lines, and so I did have uh uh Moroccan, I mean, pardon me, uh Lebanese blonde uh that was in in red that was in my uh boots. So when I got it, I got it on KP duty because we had the Saudis served our food, but we had to actually spoon it. And behind the scenes, there was a um a very robust black market for American hundred dollar bills. So if you could get American hundred dollar bills to these guys, they would do pretty much everything. So first day I was like, hashish, and the guy's like puts his hands over his ears. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was like, oh, that's what they told you to do. He's like, yes, we're to put our hands over our ears if we hear the word hashish. I was like, okay, all right. So I had traded a couple hundred dollars. I got some dinars with you know Saddam Hussein's face on them and shit like that. And um, he wanted more hundred dollar bills. So the next that night I went to the barracks and got as many hundred dollar bills as I could could coerce. And the next day went in fanning these hundred dollar bills, and he was just oh yes, and I was like, Oh no, sorry, I plugged it away in my pocket, and I was like, hash. He's like, he got really mad at me, and then eventually he's like, okay, and I gave him twenty dollars and he came back with these three slats, they're about yay, and I immediately went to the um uh latrine and uh carved them down and put them inside the lining of my boots, and so I would just take off a little chip, squeeze it into a little because it was very good Lebanese, I would roll it into a little snake, and then I would slide that tip of that snake right into my Marlboro's or my camels, and then I had do my 500 paces back because you can't smoke around artillery because there's a lot of gunpowder, you don't want to boom boom, and then uh yeah, I'd smoke my cigarettes, and then people were like, yo, Fontaine, why do your cigarettes last longer than mine? I don't know, maybe it's the humidity, and you know, I put a little water in.

SPEAKER_04 2:26:57

Maybe it's the three grams of hash I have jammed in amongst the like quarter gram of fucking tobacco.

unknown 2:27:05

Shh.

SPEAKER_15 2:27:06

I know. No, what's fucked up is Terry and Michael, the guys were so hard up looking for weed that they had heard from a friend of theirs. Oh no, their their brother that was in jail, that they could take crest toothpaste and tea leaves and mix them together and smoke them and get high off of it. And they tried it, and of course, it didn't get them high. I bet you they had incredibly fresh breath, though. Minty tobacco fresh, yes. Jesus Louise, the menthol you don't want. So, you know, there's a culture of cannabis inside the military, but it's got to be stopped hidden, it has to be brought out forward, you know. Even I, I mean, before we left, before I got activated when we went out in our two weeks, I made brownies, brought brownies with me, because you know, you don't have to have the highest IQ to be a gun bunny uh in artillery. You know what I'm saying? You're lifting a large round, putting a fuse onto it, putting it into a tube, putting a big thing of gunpowder right behind it, closing this thing, putting a little little bullet, well, uh a little charge, and then you pull it and boom. So, not a lot of really thinking. Everything is numbers and dialed in. So, you know, getting high and hanging around is probably better for artillerymen than just hanging around, just unless you're setting up use timer. Yeah, there you go, Marcus. You wanted some dis you wanted some discussion with veterans and military? There you go, buddy.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:45

Well, you know, it would be nice for you guys to know each other. You're both like actively involved and promoting the other.

SPEAKER_15 2:28:50

Well, Michael, I want to ask Michael, what what do you do in cannabis?

SPEAKER_10 2:28:56

I'm working with Drew and creating a an AI derived command and control platform.

SPEAKER_15 2:29:06

Nice. And what got you into that? Were you just into programming originally, or you just uh thought it was a neat idea? Drew came with you and was like, yo, bud, let's try this shit. I mean, how'd it go?

SPEAKER_10 2:29:20

Yeah, so um so I created a a platform going back to like 2008, and uh it was for uh cable communication companies, right? And uh so essentially it tracked assets, but it tracked assets like um at one point I was tracking about 250 million assets every single day. Um, you know, straightforward I just it but I did it in a in a way that weaponized. Um you know, they could look at the total cost of ownership. Next thing you know, the manufacturers are really interested in what I'm doing because I could prove to them that you know, here's six million pieces of equipment that are in an early life failure mode. And so next thing you know, I'm drug into quality engineering. Um, and uh so I developed lots of programs and befriended lots of great people, made a lot of heroes out of a lot of people, saved millions and millions of dollars for these big companies. And then uh, you know, just kept cruising. One of the gentlemen I worked with named Rob Marcellus, he was one of always the first adopters to my ideas, and he would just crush it. So finally he was just like, you know what, I want to come work with you. That happened, and that's how I got into cannabis. So I got the call from Rob. It's like, listen, my brother-in-law has a farm out there out here in Oklahoma. He goes, uh, he goes, could you do what you did in the communications world to cannabis? And I was just like, well, yeah, let's try it. So for two years, two years, we created uh some of the most batshit crazy uh data modeling um AI, AI uh future-proof. And I got introduced to Drew. Um, immediately fell in love with his uh innovative spirit, his entrepreneurial acume. Um he's also just a really cool, chill dude. I mean, he leads a lot of people, right? And he he does that with grace, he does that with honor. Um, I really just, I really just he has a really just he just gets so many things right that he probably takes for granted. Um but I saw just the culture to work with him. And we've been working at risk now on this thing. I mean, I've I've been funding the thing with my dev team, but you know, he shows up two or three times a week. We talk four or five times a week, and we've just been married to this passion project. And um, and now it's it's done. It's done. And that's why we're kind of here, just kind of let the world know that what we've been doing quietly behind the scenes. Uh, you know, meanwhile, you know, we're we're uh creating our own brand and we're uh we're looking to get our own farm in uh in Minn Minnesota here. So all of this is uh one big plan. Um, but it's it's starting to come together. So yeah, that's how I'm involved with all this.

SPEAKER_00 2:32:11

Yeah, he's uh well I'm uh gonna rope Michael into the whole rodeo we've all been riding for a while. We're uh pretty uh deep into getting a farm going in in Minnesota uh that we're doing my buddy Travis, uh that I knew from the mountains of Colorado, was my neighbor up there, and uh yeah, we're gonna make it happen. So uh Mike's gonna be uh our partner in that venture as well. So that's been an exciting journey, but he's about to be right up in the middle of it.

SPEAKER_15 2:32:45

Well, Michael, how did you uh come to cannabis originally? Uh were you uh ever a user of cannabis, or did you just come through it via technology?

SPEAKER_10 2:32:54

Just really technology. I think you know, being out here in California, you know, we got amazing parties and people will bring in the gummies and that kind of stuff. Never smoked, right? Um, you know, I'm a long distance athlete, so anything going into my lungs just just terrifies me. You know, it just it just doesn't feel natural. Uh Drew says uh he's gonna break that habit, but um, you know, I've done I've done the gummies and yeah, I think I've I've had an experience or two, but probably nothing as profound, right, as what I know the Drew experiences. Because you know, I go to MJ BizCon with them and you know I drive them to Buca for you know a 20,000 calorie meal, you know, after the you know after the convention. And I see I see how chill and and how much they enjoy it. But yeah, I've just never looked for that other that one more thing, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:48

Well, it's there for you when you need it.

SPEAKER_10 2:33:51

There you go. There you go. My mind is open, always will be.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:58

Yeah. That is too bad, Lethal Speed. That is too bad. That's definitely part that makes you wonder why they don't take better care of other veterans in the US. But somehow, something to do with war veterans, camaraderie, a certain percentage of veterans come back with this highly tuned empathy for their fellow brothers and sisters and just endlessly make sure they have their backs. So I definitely see that as a pattern.

SPEAKER_15 2:34:45

Once you've experienced it and once you've seen even the most gung-ho motherfucker, when you're sitting there on the front lines, is terrified. They're scared shitless. I've watched more men who were not cigarette smokers turn into cigarette smokers in a very quick turnaround time because you go from oh shit's cool to oh shit, I could be dead next week. And that becomes a reality when you're definitely on the front lines. And then when you're in the shit, it's uh just a series of just trying to stay alive. Uh you go through a great deal of training. In fact, my training was harder than my combat. Uh, and that's why they train us so hard, is because when you get to combat, it has to be a natural flow state. So the same way that you're with Grows, we are with what we did in the military, but you do that with a whole bunch of people, yes, and you go through that together, and you come out of that, and why it's a brotherhood and a sisterhood is because you come through something together that you don't experience with your friends or family, and you you hope to never have your friends and family. And if you're friends, if you're watching this, your friends and family have gone through that. I'm sorry you don't deserve that. That Jesus Christ, that's fucked up. But at the same time, the we veterans, you know, we have to figure out how to navigate the realities of killing people, of killing men, women, and children. And you see that carnage. You I physically sat there and ate right next to body parts I couldn't identify, and that's fucking ugly, heinous shit. And once you've seen that and you've been in that, you don't want anybody to experience that. If you're an epathetic human, you know, you you don't want to put your child through that, you wouldn't want to put your friend through that. So when you survive that, um, it's hard to explain that. And that's why, again, I was so fucked up because I went thinking I was fine when I came back to standing right next to my best friends, and I thought they were strangers. I I fought for them to come back home to them, and I was looking right at them, and they were a complete stranger to me. And now you have to navigate those feelings and emotions and that disassociation and bringing your families back to life because Terry Michael and I back then, our life expectancy, especially in artillery, uh, by Eastern European standards, was 90 seconds.

SPEAKER_10 2:37:25

Yep.

unknown 2:37:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_15 2:37:26

90 seconds. That means we are to fire our first rounds and then be vaporized. Correct, gentlemen? I'm not incorrect in that statement, right? I just want everybody, they can't all see you on the screen. So that's that's you know, that's a reality that you know no one should have to feel, but we have to navigate those emotions. And not only that, our government doesn't help us with any of that. You're given kind of an a reach, an outreach for help, but at that time, you just want to go home, you want to get away, you just want to be with your family, you want to get away from that uniform in what you had to do, and coming home from that uh is a whole series of messed up that we are not helped and guided through. And I'm very thankful I had a my battle buddy had a his his aunt had a uh horse farm, and I was able to work on a horse farm after, uh, because I had a hard time caring about humans, and um once you've once you've killed people and dispatched them, it's uh it becomes a rush, and you see people who get addicted to the rush of killing people. I didn't like it. I I felt great shame and great horror in killing fellow human beings. I say it openly and honestly, but I can because this is 30 plus years down the line. I had a hard time saying that because when I left, everybody said, Hey, I hope you come back in one piece. And you know what they didn't prepare me for? When I came back, and the first question off everybody's mind, 99% of people, was so did you kill anybody? They don't tell you how to deal with that one. You know, what do I have to say yes every time? Do I just not answer? Do I just ignore it? Because now you confront me with now when you say that, you don't understand that you trigger the faces of the people I've killed. They live in my memory. I see them before my eyes, I see their bodies, what's left of them. Because we were on artillery and we rolled through where we would destroy. And let me tell you, it's ugly, it smells awful. It smelled so bad, it shut off my sense of smell for nearly a decade. Okay, it was a smell, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_10 2:40:06

Yeah, and I was seven core Maine. I was seven core Maine, so we uh you know we were the Hail Mary essentially, so very familiar. For some reason, I think uh, I don't know, maybe I I got what I signed up for, right? It's um I I just uh I just didn't expect the equipment to be so pissed poor, right? Um, I think that was the failing um because my training was there, I did everything right. Um, but so so everyone that doesn't know the way um it's called a mop suit, the way the mop suits work back then, uh they're they're they're so superior now, but it's basically a charcoal lined outfit. In fact, you know what I did? I took my mop suit, the the BDU mop suit I got a big old smart grow. This is such a badass looking jacket, uh but a big old smart grow logo on it. It's probably the the most fashionable smart grow jacket I ever have. But what happens is uh you break it out of the bag, so it's vacuum sealed, you put it on, and uh and immediately, of course, you know, it's it's hot, it's humid, so what's happening? All that charcoal is being absorbed by your sweat. Okay. And that's the only thing that really, really makes a mop suit work because chemical hits that, of course, it the charcoal absorbs it. And then you're immediately put into a casualty situation and you're you're backing away as fast as you can. So if you live in that mop suit and it's raining, you're digging, you know, you're living in um, you know, literally foxholes, and this is about as stupid as cliche as you could possibly imagine. You know, you're you're literally you're three feet underground with with your buddy doing stand two, looking out the line and two feet of water. And you know, and the alerts come on, you know, there there's absolutely this time we know there's there's chemical agent, you know you're dead. So you go through that that that trauma, or the worst time is um I broke out brand new um filters for my gas mask. And this this is where you know you put these things in and they were they were concrete. These things were probably about four or three years old. And meanwhile, the deuce and a half was supposed to be the truck that told us that there was gas or there was a gas attack. So this was like three o'clock in the morning, and but there wasn't any air in the tank. So, guys, you can't it's it's a if it's an air horn. So we're hearing this this crappy little horn, this beep, beep, beep, and then finally it would diminish because it didn't have enough air. So they had to run the truck for like 10 minutes. Meanwhile, you know, it was a real gas attack. So I I put on I get all kitted up and I couldn't breathe because my frickin' filters were basically concrete. So for about four hours, for about four hours, I had to learn to take two or three breaths a minute until finally the humidity kind of opened opened it up, but it was like 45 minutes. Um, so I got buddies that do all kinds of like scuba diving. And tell you what, man, when it comes to breathing, I really like breathing. Thank God I didn't have panic attacks or anything. Um, for some reason I processed everything really well. Um, and that's what that's why I think I'm I'm really hell-bent to I'd love to help you guys, you know, in any way I can with the veterans that are out there right now. Because I I I dodged all the mental bullets for whatever reason. I don't know why I did, um, but I did. Um, but I do have friends that um have you know, because I'm old enough now to have kids that could have gone to war and and they're dying, they're killing themselves off like crazy right now. So that's a real stat, man. That's real. And I think I'm not even gonna compare the situation I was put in to the dudes that went to like um like uh Afghanistan and Iraq. Those guys are just a whole nother level of of just freaking hurt and pain, man. I just can't even imagine. Yeah, so my my I I salute those guys. Um, and those are the guys I think probably need a lot of help right now, um, from other veterans like us.

SPEAKER_15 2:44:12

And that's what we're trying, that's why we're reaching those hands out because yeah, uh too many of our brothers and sisters come to us with just lost another one, just lost another one.

SPEAKER_10 2:44:22

The stats are it's it's a stat. It's a freaking stat, man. That's what it is now. It's just like what are like 40 or 50,000 people then in Vietnam? And how many, how many are dying weekly right now? It's like what, like 10,000 or something?

SPEAKER_15 2:44:37

It's way too many.

SPEAKER_10 2:44:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 2:44:40

But that's why we do these outreaches. This is why we we try to educate others, especially our veterans, because there isn't that type of education and the VA doesn't have it. So that's why we've been very vocal about it. I work, uh, we were at the UN. We're working at the United Nations to try to stop. Uh, we got word this week another person was executed in Singapore for a drug deal. And uh we are finding a great voice at the international level, and a lot of the leaders uh and diplomats listened to us because of our experience uh as well as our wish for peace. We worked with Ukraine last year and helped them with their medical cannabis laws, um, as well as uh their allowance for PTSD after. So the work's never done, you know, gentlemen. It's it's uh I and one of the things that we have found is working with other veterans and helping others helps us with our PTSD because we're stepping out of ourselves and helping others, and helping others feels good. And feeling good feels good, and we like feeling good, so um, yeah, thank you for your service, Michael and Terry, and what you've done. And uh much respect and thank you for stepping outside of self to also uh help uh fellow veterans as well. Uh, there's not uh enough of us doing this. Uh, my group is not a nonprofit, we're a working group, so we don't have dues, hierarchy, or headquarters. Um I just can't spend my days uh hunting money. It's just one of those things I just uh have a hard time doing, but strategizing. And if there's other veterans who are interested in working alongside of us, uh you can reach out to me, uh atn420 at gmail.com or uh veteransactioncouncil at gmail.com. All one uh veteransactioncouncil at gmail.com. And uh we meet weekly, we're working groups, so we meet on Mondays and Wednesdays for two hours. Um, and uh we're working on a series of FOIA requests right now. Uh we put out a Freedom of Information Act request to the uh VA, and they came back with about 1,500 pages of some very interesting information about cannabis that um we're gonna be doing a series, about 10 articles on from uh the Directive 1315, which allows veterans to talk with their doctors about it. We're actually gonna be giving them praise because the VA has been educating their doctors uh about a directive 1315 and what that is, so that none of our veterans can be uh made to feel the shame that I was. Uh now I was able to take that shame from being removed from the VA facilities and I channeled them into uh the business I have, which is Berkeley Patients Group, uh, where the oldest medical cannabis dispensary in the United States. We're in our 26th year, going on 27, um, of providing cannabis directly to patients um and not waiting around for it.

SPEAKER_10 2:47:54

Uh are you um are you able to um get what kind of feedback do you get from your from your patients? Is that something you you collect?

SPEAKER_15 2:48:05

Oh, we have uh we've had various studies. The first study was done by Dr. Amanda Ryman out of uh Berkeley Patients Group, and that study was replicated around the world specifically uh around alcohol use and cannabis. Uh so we have opened our doors to various doctors and researchers because of the various types of patients that we have from cancer and AIDS and pretty much every type of ailment. So um by being and having a patient center and access, patients talk to each other and find what works and find to uh narrow down what helps them, you know, medical advice. Because what may work for me may not work for you. So helpful suggestions from others with similar medical conditions, such as you know, I have sleep interruption, so I want to eat something to go back to sleep. Oh, well, I recommend this, or you know, have you tried this? You know.

SPEAKER_10 2:49:00

So I think that's the extension of kind of like so where we're at right now, maybe I should show like the quality planning. So we have um the ability to take any genetic, right, and then wrap it with the with the recipe. Okay, okay, but then after the fact, okay, we're gonna end up with a product and we're expecting this product to have these properties. Okay, so through all the quality engineering is we're gonna hit that, right? But then after the fact, right, that's where that feedback loop is like it's it's really important, right? If it goes, if we're expecting this drug, right, because that's what it is now, let's look at it as a drug, to to be prescribed for this effect, did it achieve the did it achieve the result?

SPEAKER_15 2:49:47

Yep. And the result is what we're searching for because it helps people arrive there and give them a goal. And having goals, especially when you're going through hard and ter tough times, goals can mean the difference between life and death for some people.

SPEAKER_10 2:50:03

Would you want to see what that looks like? The quality the what we've been working on for the last like five years. I love looking at stuff. Show and tell. Okay. All right, Drew, do you want to speak to some of this? Let me let me pull it back up here. Sure. Yeah, I think I am sure I am I think um something that we should probably cover. So first um C to sale compliance. Right. So we're fully integrated with uh with the metric across every single mandatory touch one. Um so again, it's kind of like a distraction to be honest with you. I mean, we want we know what we need to do to get the job done, but then right, we do need to kiss the ring around and make sure we have compliance. So by hyper focusing on this, we can now take it out of the equation and actually put you back into growing versus chasing your tail with federal compliance. So all this works via a phone app that um every person on the farm uses. Right. So we can track every single thing that's happening from serialization and it's not Dranconian, it's not we're not trying to be massive taskmasters here. What we're doing is simply harmonizing all of the labor efficiently. Okay. And if someone is struggling with their task and someone has gotten finished with their task sooner, it'll actually reroute them. Right. So it efficiently again is is it kind of it fosters kind of like a team mentality, right? But it does it organically. So it's it's pretty slick how it works. So we have routines, we can create custom routines, verify supplies, doesn't that doesn't matter. All of that then goes on to a timeline for execution. So here's the actual timeline, all the various different crops from projection all the way down into finished good inventory. We can look detailed over time, right? And see what crops when and where all the way back through time. Um, we can actually drill on a particular crop and actually look at its um its its health. You know, if you claim you're gonna do 2,000 plants, how many actually went to finish good inventory? We can all of the work that gets generated, right, falls into a big long PES dispenser. So you can actually have command and control across many farms and actually seeing all the wonderful people doing all the wonderful work efficiently. If something goes wrong, it's elevated to an alert. This could this includes any kind of alert, you know, like a little like um a potential fail-to-thrive alert. You know, in other words, there's there's a bunch of plants not getting watered, or the CO2 level went crazy, or the temperature went crazy, whatever. That block of work will actually go into an elevated state. So again, you can see it, making sure it's being executed and mitigated. Then finally, at the very top, top tier, we have um all the C to sale and compliance. So if something bad is happening down below, eventually that we have to confirm, we have to close the loop, right, and make sure that we actually solve the problem. Or we're we're validating um compliance moves, you know, with the C to sale software, right? And then kind of like back here, it's just kind of like the SOP itself, right? And I get I think one thing we should talk about if it's if if we like if it's relevant, we should talk about the uh the captive insurance play on this too a little bit. But you know, the whole thing here is you come up with a quality plan, and this quality plan is all of the phases, it's it's all of the metrics. Um, so really the only thing you need to do to then execute is you need to choose your strains, you need to choose your room, and when you actually want to um when you want that harvest to be done, right? So we allow that we allow you to target the the a result. So maybe it's it's dry, it's it's wet weight, right? Or maybe it's harvest. So if I want to harvest on this particular day, it's gonna backfill everything for you. It's gonna generate all of the work for you, it's going to generate all the commodities required for you, and it's even going to post that in the marketplace. So here's all the various different metric plans, here's all the various different strains, you name it, all the various different phases and routines. So it really is just a very structured way to um repeat, just do a lot of work with a very little uh little effort.

SPEAKER_04 2:55:25

I like the accountability part of it, being able to track back where mistakes were made, how long they were made for, how you know, like just the accountability aspect of like let's just quicker learning, right? If with cannabis, it's so easy to fuck it up. You can do everything right for two months and then just have a mild four or five day fuckery and affect everything in a big way. Yeah, you know, go out, you know. It would be neat to be able to buy cannabis with the metrics attached to how it was grown. Like, you know how you can do a Carfax on uh your your your used car and find out how many accidents it's been in. It'd be pretty cool if, like, you know, people had problems with their crops. Well, maybe they maybe that crop shouldn't be sold for the same price as the uh as the product usually does. Maybe there's an information data point in there that says, well, you know what? Like we had the lights kind of turned off for four days on this particular crop. It was a little bit of a affected things a little bit. It's being sold a little bit cheaper. Be interesting information to know.

SPEAKER_10 2:56:29

It's also just risk. So so if you can I think that that's the other thing that we wanted to attack is um okay so we know shit happens. Okay, cool. But now how do we mitigate that right? So if we know typically we're going to blow up 2,000 plants a year um you know that fail to thrive we we actually have a strategy to help mitigate what that looks like at least domestically here in the United States. We came up with a uh an insurance company and uh we we basically implement something called captive insurance. So what what that is is I would set up an insurance company in fact we'll do it for for our growth and I'll look at all the risk all those paper cuts you were talking about right and say and then I'll we'll go to an actuary and say hey these are this is all the crap that could happen in my farm. What is insurable? And they'll turn around and say okay well you have$2.5 million of risk right so what we're going to do is we're going to set up an insurance policy based off of that that validated risk profile. And now it's my job now as the cultivator I'm going to take my revenue and and I'm going and now I need to fund that my captive okay so what what's happening is two things. Number one all my revenue is going into the captive that I own. So and then this the that captive that my insurance company builds my my business for for that policy. So guess what that's guess what's not on my balance sheet anymore revenue. So if there's no revenue it can't be taxed right it's all up inside the captive now that it's in the captive if there is a fail to thrive right if or if you lose somebody or if a piece of equipment goes out it's actually that money goes comes back down before it's taxed right because you're now paying off that asset or you're covering that loss dollar for dollar.

SPEAKER_00 2:58:37

Wow it's like you're putting the plants in an LLC and they're like they're protected from being sued it's yeah exactly and you know uh like the the system's automating those things that happen right so let's just say consistently a low water event has shown to decrease your yield by 10% right we see that event happen we can actually monetize that event and you know and the system autumn does an automated claim against that event you know for if for a provable amount if said insurance company would accept said situation.

SPEAKER_15 2:59:24

I know you did it with a as its own hypothetical which is you know a great to you know that's that's a great addition especially to those legal producers because the you know as as we know it's called farming not harvesting right so you know there's all kinds of things that can happen on the way to uh the finished product not to mention all the fucked up shit that can happen with your finished product you know until it actually is a product going out the door. So it's a whole series of challenges that um these legal markets have opened up that you know eventually insurance companies are going to play by because these will, you know, I guess in Canada they are they're a real agricultural crop whereas here in America that's not the case yet. It will be in a matter of time but you know this type of forethinking is helpful because you know uh as as I've told people there's no songs about farming only laments because farming's hard you know uh and there's no guaranteed success and with cannabis and once you've grown cannabis enough and you've grown it enough times the chances of successes all depend on the little things right yep yeah we're talking with um some serious players in the industry insurance industry now and we're working on an idea it's called captive as a as a deductible so in other words imagine that first layer so it's like anything else if you get a$500 deductible on your car your insurance is going to cost this much if it's$2,000 catastrophic your insurance is going to cost this much.

SPEAKER_00 3:01:08

So if we allow if we put a captive insurance as that very first layer and then rise that up then suddenly the bigger umbrella insurance is a lot more um cost effective right is that is that is that jiving totally so really good ideas right now um discussions are happening and uh we'll see if uh the bigger the bigger insurance companies will uh will step in the ring with us um if that happens again that's just one that's just the sixth pillar to to what we're offering here you know this is uh this is an end-to-end um platform from a buying union to a future selling market wild aggregate the data will this have regional distribution centers and stuff like that all in input so it's all pretty much a one-stop shop yeah um and that's that was one of my targets when we started putting this thing together right is we had so have so many different software platforms that we have to use in order to get the job done um you know everything's a different program a different subscription um let alone most of those tools aren't very well built or you know for the user most of the stuff is you know to support the state you know um so it's metric compatible yep yep so having everything uh in in one place and uh having uh you know all those requirements all be stored together right it eliminates you know duplicate entries I have to enter the number here for this reason and I have to enter it over here you know for another reason um you having all of that stuff aligned is is a huge benefit.

SPEAKER_09 3:03:20

So every every uh thing that metric demands you do happens um seamlessly because we integrate the look the phone app integrates with metric directly from the floor so we advise you don't even ever touch metric again even through transfer manifest we're using something called um rpa which on stands for robotic process automation so in in our world you fill out the transfer manifest of our world and then you actually open up metric and then it transcribes it in real time to the transfer manifest right and creates it for you um so nothing's been um not worked through and thought through and burned in when it comes to C to sell so how does uh my business or any other business who is interested in this technology find you talk to Tim Thomas Co.com say that again so it's t3agal we're the uh sales arm of the uh AI program so um we're we're gonna be handling all the demos and all that stuff for smart grow yeah it was pretty interesting how this whole thing came together I was reluctantly not gonna go to MJ Biz but all of a sudden I got a ticket I had a place to stay I met Terry and Tim we hung out with Drew we all started talking and I'm always looking for consistent income flow and we thought man we know enough people along with Drew's technology that we can create a group where where we have proven uh components whether it be lights AI systems cocoa veganic fertilizers the whole thing from you know from any kind of business we can take any cannabis business from where they are to a better state and this is all due to economics and let's just happen to be there all at the same time and we've been on constant calls every week or every couple weeks for the last few months pulling it all together and uh you know for me I'm a full organic guy but I'm always willing to learn um same with computers uh back in the day um we used to just go put our finger in the air and travel 300 miles in the Baja hoping that there was waves but even in the DOS days of computers back in the 80s in the early 90s we could start to track it NOAA had their their pixelated maps that would go up and we knew that it took X amount of days to get to this spot in Mexico from the northern hemisphere from uh you know Alaska up in that area these storms and then the same for the southern hemisphere we can plan out trips to some sort of accuracy we figure that so I've always been open to new technology you know once you pull the genie out of the bottle it's impossible to put it back same like thing has happened with cannabis and the same thing has happened with AI so I kind of embraced AI. It's helped me out in a lot of different ways of keeping track of things and organizing things.

SPEAKER_04 3:06:53

So how do you cutting out a tiny little bit not cutting out completely but it just sounds like it it your voice is getting quieter.

SPEAKER_09 3:07:01

I I was able to to to to hear what you were saying and I'm sure everyone else was but uh I think I yeah I think um I'm in my car I'm at uh the gray area in Portland they have a little Sunday market that I attend slinging my rolling papers but yeah um so I met these guys and we've been meeting and pulling together and you know along with the hippos and their genetics and Tim will talk a little bit about their genetics and uh how he's working with a a tissue culture lab and they're cleaning up their genetics and they're gonna be sending out clones. So you know if you guys need any you're gonna get in touch with us if you want to learn more about SmartCrow and we have a bunch of other options too so I'm gonna hand the mic to Tim and let him talk a little bit about the different um equipment that he's brought in and we can go from there and the genetics and the humble hippos uh plan for getting good clean genetics out there to everybody.

SPEAKER_01 3:08:06

Yeah we touched on it briefly um we teamed up with a group down in Florida they're a 40-year-old tissue culture company uh third generation 180 acres uh they supplied Disneyland and Disney World with all their annuals and their flowers around the park so they're they really know what they're doing they've just stepped into cannabis um they brought our group in as well as uh Harry Palms from Bloom Seed Company and John from Green Bowdy uh they want to set up a hollow breeders type of program within their tissue culture company uh to shoot out clean genetics everywhere so mainly initiation or also initiation and um multiplication like are they selling plantlets or are they just initiating cleaning the plants making mothers and then selling clones like in a nursery so yeah they're what you would receive from us is a hermetically sealed clamshell with how many ever clones rooted in a root in a rock wool cube so it's not babies in a tube um but they're rooted rock wool cubes super healthy so question though are you in uh multiplying them through tissue culture yes okay okay that's a that's makes it harder like it's yeah multiplication is a hard one of the hard parts that's the slow part so that's you know we're building our library now I think we're up to 50 or 60 that they're moving through then there's 20 more behind that and 20 more behind that we kind of have to trickle them through um but that is the slow portion is them multiplying he wants to get to 700 once we get to 700 we're able to send those out and he need duplicates from there.

SPEAKER_04 3:09:56

I worked with a tissue culture company for a little while uh with this guy Dr. Shma Sabayat who um is a tissue culture scientist now for uh Segra but prior to them he worked for JTR Nurseries in Washington and he did a lot of he did some bamboo IP and I I believe he was the one that created the dominant shoot IP for raspberries and I got to spend a little time with him and go visit him in his lab and and learn some things for him and I definitely found like I felt like at the end of it all I was like if I did tissue culture I think I would just do the initiation part you know like the first part of cleaning the plants out so they got rid of the bacteria and the fungi and uh the viruses. But yeah it was complicated it's not just a a simple thing there's definitely can cause all sorts of chaos if you do it incorrectly is what I really learned in particular with populating viroid. It's cool that you guys are doing that. I love the way as well as the the easy to maintain a large population using like liquid nitrogen and having redundancy labs where they're being stored uh is is much more inexpensive than than keeping moms that's for sure. But um yeah very cool I like the idea too obviously of having um you know a a a hall of breeders as you said uh for me a hall of breeders would be I'd love the hall of breeders then I'd love the subtext of the full melt genetics i e the genetics that can be expressed into a full melt hash whether wet washed or dry sifted i i love that idea back about 25 years ago I thought it was a good idea I was going to start like a seed bank I wasn't gonna necessarily breed or grow but I just was like I'm making hash with all my friends genetics and when I hit one that's a full melter I should be like put it on a list and I created a little list and then I thought fuck this should be this should be a company for people who want to wash way ahead of its time there were very few washers around uh but nowadays also right when I thought okay I I even bought a stamp that was for like stamping envelopes at the end and it was an almost an embroider not embroidered but embossed into the paper like a a a texture that you could feel with your fingers that said full melt genetics well that company never happened and that was basically because uh we all got pretty freaked out right after the DEA showed up here and took Mark Emery away that shit was like what like holy shit did that just happen it was legitimately pretty trippy um the the way it the way it panned out and then obviously it took some years but they eventually extradited him to the US to serve uh uh some years in a federal penitentiary for selling seeds and that I was just like I'll just hold off on that idea like maybe just focus on uh the bags and some other things but but shout out to you guys for sure phonetics from Mark yeah really yes tell me that story early 90s 94 we float so so hempy c original of on the other side of where everything is on the pot block today okay that's og 94 94 fuck that's super og dude i used to go there in 94 that's before i moved to bc that's when hillary black and shell worked behind the counter and Jeremy uh they were the there i still know those people that worked for mark originally and then there was his manager Dana this dread dreadlocked girl but that's so cool that you went you went there you went personally or had buddies personally flew up because back then you couldn't get seeds unless you you shipped it over to Europe and then you had to sit there well I wanted a large stock of seeds and I wasn't about to spend that kind of money I wanted them put in my hand I wanted to sit down with the person mark had a huge catalog that we went through and I told him what I was looking for and I I agreed with every recommendation up till Big Bud he he sold me big bud and I wish I'd have never bought big bud okay no shit that's hilarious but hey if he missed on one and nailed it on a bunch of others you live you learn right nailed the others yep you know the bottom line is people don't really understand because you know you bring up that guy's name and people have all sorts of different things they want to say nowadays but back then there just weren't a lot of people willing to put their money where their mouth is in in a place that like you know people could say oh Vancouver was so cool they just let it go it's like well no listen nobody knew how cool it was until Mark stop started pushing so hard in all directions just pushing the boundaries to the point where it was like holy shit like well they prosecuted for high times right and that's why he started his own magazine because of the whole freedom of speech thing because you know they were totally not even allowing that discussion to happen in Canada. So he did he did the book thing I believe was his second foray in civil disobedience right and I could be wrong his first was when they would go on strike in Ontario in Toronto the garbage men would go on strike and Mark just thought that was absurd. So he would like rent trucks and hire people and just have the garbage be picked up and people were like the truckers themselves were like super upset about it like scabs like and Mark was just like it's dangerous. You can't just leave the garbage out like people will get sick like it's it's it's a public it's a health thing it's not you have to figure out a different so that was kind of his first one then he did the bookshop and had and brought all the magazines high times being one but many others that he wasn't supposed to sell right they were on the list of like oh you're not allowed to sell that and he's like you can't tell me what books I can and can't sell but when he came and did the seeds and everyone can have an opinion on Mark and I'm not here to share uh mine or really hear about others but I am here to say what he was doing was unbelievable. It really was an unbelievable thing and um how many people from all over the world came to buy those seeds so many it really brought the the community of people who were making seeds together because you just had no idea and then Mark also was very much like uh you know the people who preceded him he would always tell people it's not that hard like you could make seeds here I'll give you some seeds you know crack take a female of this and a male of this and put them together and you know within probably a year or two once again he would be better to announce this than I he probably had people that had never grown seeds before now growing seeds. So you know whether that was a dangerous gamble or whether it worked out he made seeds available for a lot of people for a for a pretty decent amount of time there that um was not I just didn't see it. He was the equivalent of all of Amsterdam you go to Amsterdam you could meet all these different people but in Vancouver it was just Mark eventually it became others and they all figured out oh if we set up shops around here like we'll sell seeds too but for a good while it was just Mark it was absolutely bonkers. Um and and I talked about it recently how much of the money he was making back then I mean don't get me wrong he would pay for people's court cases that were Americans that got busted that bought seeds from him he'd he'd be like oh here's 10 grand or 20 grand or five 30 grand uh and but also he funded the entire activism wing of cannabis in Vancouver like it was all just like funded by you know Mark and the and the seed business. So it was it was kind of surreal to have that Sort of caliber of a bar set because he was so successful selling seeds.

SPEAKER_15 3:18:07

Well, he had a seed catalog with a little magazine attached. Yeah, well, he did. That helped promote it, right? Because every head shop in the world would carry the magazine, and then they would see, oh, there's seeds in here.

SPEAKER_04 3:18:21

Oh 27 pages of seeds.

SPEAKER_15 3:18:24

Literally, like 30 pages of just seeds, people. I mean, if you have not had it in your hand and looked at the sheer amount, he had everything and then all kinds of new things you'd never heard of. So the curiosity of the cat, you know, I don't know if the satisfaction brought it back, but there was a lot of curiosity because there were so many now new names and access. Because again, very limited back then, folks. There was only a few seed companies, and you physically, as Tim said, had to go there to get them, you know, because you know, the SSSC and all that had all been busted and all that stuff. You was just doing nothing by mail. So, you know, even myself, I've had to physically go to different countries and bring things back if I want them, because that's just how it's gotta be. But uh Tim is speaking the truth there, the sheer expense of buying a whole bunch of seeds. I mean, you're talking, you know, a couple hundred dollars back then just for five or six seeds of something, much less a 10-pack or you know, and you have to buy in bulk, you can see how that quickly means that, you know, you're just buying a few and you're gonna have to come back and make mothers and then clone those and clone those, you know, and that takes time and space as opposed to buying bulk, which you know, he became quickly. Mark became the the the quick bulk guy, too, because the Dutch guys couldn't move bulk like that, you know, right, Marcus? I mean, on top of that, you know, he was packaging and bringing in those seeds and shipping them all over the place, and that he was able to do that. Everybody was like, How does he get away with that? How did he get away with it just for so long? So, do you think like the the Canadian government just wasn't paying attention, or because a lot of seeds went out?

SPEAKER_04 3:20:17

They just it just wasn't an like who fucking cares. We were growing hemp legally, we were like, We're Canada, like no one was paying enough attention to it. I'll tell you when it all really the shit started hitting the fan was when the DEA had a big event here. Keep in mind the DEA were investing money in Canada, they were buying uh gas and renting choppers and you know, for for finding cannabis for cannabis eradication programs. The DEA funded Canada for years with money they stole from Americans that they busted. Um, and it was a vicious cycle, and they knew that lots of cannabis was being grown up here. I think at one point in time it was kind of out of control, and they did they they just couldn't control it anymore. And that's when the seeds really blew up, and you know, tons of Americans in particular came up here and an enormous amount to buy seeds, and those seeds were just millions and millions and millions of dollars, and that money, you know, the way it flowed really like like propped up our the entire scene in in Vancouver. It was amazing how hard it collapsed when Mark was extradited and sent to prison. It really was. I mean, don't get me wrong, Jody did a great job. She kept cannabis, she kept cannabis culture alive with with uh Jeremiah and and Tia and and the rest of the team, uh, and they all had a play in it, but it was just nothing compared to when Mark was balling hard. I mean, imagine you go to your P.O. box and there's 50 G's worth of money orders just stuffed into it, and it's just overnight. You know? Okay. And then and that's not even to talk about guys like Tim who went up there and dropped G's just in a s in a sitting. Like just like pa like right on the table. Wabamo. Like so many, so many people. It was uh I mean when they busted him, they said that he had uh that his seeds grew a million pounds of cannabis. Which was nerve-wracking because that's the amount of cannabis that uh it it's uh in the kingpin law. That's the one that you can be executed for cannabis if you've if you've sold like a million pounds, right? It's for for like cartels and stuff. The law was supposed to be being passed.

SPEAKER_15 3:22:35

Sixty thousand plants in the United States. Wow. Which is less than an acre, right?

SPEAKER_03 3:22:43

Sixty thousand plants.

unknown 3:22:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 3:22:45

You're talking about it's a million per square, you know. If you're growing three hundred, four hundred per square meter, you used to grow, you know, a full hectare of stuff. You're well over that limit.

SPEAKER_04 3:22:56

Grow about fifteen hundred kilos per acre of cannabis here. So if you wanted to grow a million pounds, it would be some acres.

SPEAKER_00 3:23:05

I grow about seventy-two thousand cannabis plants a year.

SPEAKER_04 3:23:11

Um what's uh what's the like footage, the canopy size that's that's taking up, and how many flowering periods?

SPEAKER_00 3:23:19

Uh so it's about 13,000 square feet of production canopy. There's some uh you know. Uh it's indoor.

SPEAKER_04 3:23:29

Yeah, but it's still a quarter acre of space.

SPEAKER_00 3:23:32

Right. Uh but yeah, uh 2,000 plants every 10 days. We pull about 36 a year.

SPEAKER_04 3:23:44

That's a fair amount.

SPEAKER_00 3:23:46

But it's crazy, you know, like that's that's well into that number of plants.

SPEAKER_04 3:23:52

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, one of the groups I work with in Quebec has a monster indoor facility.

SPEAKER_03 3:23:58

They have like uh, I think they have I wanna say it's around a hundred and fifty thousand plants right now in the one grow.

SPEAKER_04 3:24:11

Uh and they have greenhouse ceilings, even though it's an indoor facility with blackout, but they also have metal halide and high pressure sodium and LED. So they're just like, we just have everything. Every kind of like all of the everything. Hey, whatever you're doing, there's a million different ways to do it to grow great resin. Um, and that's kind of uh, you know, that's kind of the mission. I think as companies fall to the wayside of collapsing and going bankrupt because they didn't figure out the way to execute things uh properly, um you know, the ones that are left behind, which I think we're catching up to that time, at least here in Canada, which is a fairly uh mature federally legal market. I think it's been federally legal since 2017 or something, recreationally here in Canada and medically for many, many more years. But really, no matter what, like if you're in the medical market and then recreational becomes available to you, like a mass amount of those companies migrate over to recreational because it is really um hard to deny if you're in business to do business. If you're in business to help truly help, um you'll always make less. It's just the joy of integrity. The more you have of it, the less profit you get. It must be that money is connected to evil or something. I'm not sure. I don't know the answers. I just do know that the higher the integrity you put into things, I guess that's the trick. Trying to put the highest level of integrity into something and still making it so you don't have to pay for it out of pocket. Um, but you guys feel that a little bit sometimes with technology or even your own inventions or even with your own uh methods that you choose to do that sometimes it's like I had, for instance, I had a cafe. Before I had a cafe, I had a gallery and I had the vapor bar and it was cool. And I was like, Oh, I want to put a uh like a little restaurant type of food thing in. And my buddy was like, Well, what are you gonna do, man? Are you gonna do the Coca-Cola and the and the chips, you know, like what we've always gotten in the weed world? Just like give us the lowest caliber bunk fucking shit food, or what are you gonna do? And I was like, I took it as a challenge. I was like, no, actually, I'm going to do an all-raw, vegan, organic, macrobiotically grown cafe, which I did. And let me tell you, it was of the highest integrity and of the lowest profit. It's not like I didn't have my regulars, and it's not like people didn't want to come in, and you got high off the food, like truly. People that weren't used to eating raw, vegan, organic food were literally getting high off of it, and it was exceptional food. I had a great chef come in and designed the menu, and there was like seven-layer lasagna, and they were just extra gassy, right? Yeah, not really, it was exceptional, man. I mean, I'm telling you, it was great fucking food, but it was just such high integrity that it was like you know, the place next door just selling Cokes and donuts, and like it's still there today.

SPEAKER_15 3:27:26

Which can be a high if your body is not used to having that, if you've been sustaining it on the Coca-Cola and that other I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 3:27:34

I just feel like humanity's nature is to consume bunk at a high level. Like I saw Bill Burr talking about it, the comedian. He had a whole thing on um on the basketball and why the women's basketball players weren't being paid the same amount as the men because they didn't have he said, Listen, all you women, you know, that you 28 million women a week that are watching the Kardashians. If you just switched over and watched the WNBA, like they would blow up, they would be getting paid more. So it's like the same thing. Like, we just can't not consume, like it's like, sure, it would probably be better to watch a bunch of women working together to achieve a goal on a on a at a sports game than like a bunch of women tear down themselves and others and produce the most inauthentic. But there it is, like there's more McDonald's than there are raw vegan organic uh cafes. So I guess it is what it is. I don't try to judge it. Um I just uh I just notice it show up in everything about that, whatever that dichotomy is. I mean, it showed up in here earlier, right away, when you guys were talking about the AI and the methodologies, and the you could tell Josh was just like, this is not the reality I'm trying to promote. It's like, well, that's okay, dude. Like you can promote whatever reality you like. It is the reality we're talking about here on Ash Church today, however. Um, but there's always uh yeah, there's always this sort of well, there's always fear around new tools, right?

SPEAKER_15 3:29:05

You know, how do you work the tool? How do you maximize the tool? Right. And we've been, I mean, come on. I mean, science fiction and all that we've grown up has been based off of look at this AI and keep an eye on it because you know, they've given us more than enough ample examples of how it's gonna fucking destroy us, but you're showing us other things and how it can actually help us and be a useful tool as opposed to be, you know, used to it's you're it's gonna turn your garden against you and it's gonna attack you when you go in there. And no, no, no. This is basically helping, you know, with all the little things. And as gardeners know, it's a lot of little things. And if you miss one little thing, it can fuck up the whole program. You know, it's like if anybody ran aquaponics, right? You're running on, you're basically running a Ferrari all the time at high end. And if you know one pump goes out, oh it's a whole series of cascading realities that, you know, depending on method and methodologies, as well as, you know, as people have industrialized, they've gone towards more industrial, you know, productions, but still trying to, because they have to do that industrial agriculturally, it doesn't mean that's what's happening necessarily to the plant in itself. So, you know, I, you know, I look at everything in any type of new technology with a sort of skepticism, but you know, it's it's just a growing tool, people. It's it's just helping you be better so that, you know, what is one thing a lot of my patients complain about? Oh, I can't get access to this particular genetic. Why? Because people have a hard time growing it. Well, if you're able to know how to optimize something, you know, and make it better, you know, then it's only gonna make the outcome even better so that you get better quality product, I get better quality hash. And most importantly, those genetics that people can't grow now have a tool to help them, depending on the environment, because as you know, you know, every grow room is different too. And it takes on average, you know, and and it takes on average of two years to dial in a grow room, right? Does take this technology will help you uh accelerate that learning curve potentially, question mark.

SPEAKER_10 3:31:30

Absolutely. It's it's cliche, but really what we're doing is we're we're looking for truth. That's all it comes down to. But fine, um, after you get the truth, what do you do with it? Right. So go back to standard quality engineering right now and just look at like the washing machine. That's a perfect example to where you have planned obsolescence now in washing machines. Your washing machine now will cost you 10 times as much and last maybe one tenth of its life cycle. Why did that happen? Because they found the truth, but then they weaponized it against the customer. So you see, it's just a tool. But once you find the truth, it's still going to be in your hands what you do with it. You want yield? Watch Jitty weed and yield, you can do that. All right, you can do that. Or you want to listen to your customers. Like if you have a true service heart, because that's why I was asking you about, you know, what's the feedback with with the customers? Because that's the true extension, because that those are the people that we need to touch.

SPEAKER_15 3:32:31

Oh, that's they're there well in California, they're frustrated and angry because they're getting mass-produced products that's over-oxygenated that's integrated on the shelf that's been sitting there as opposed to what they were getting, which is fresh terpene, you know, um, small batch connoisseur-grade cannabis. And now they're inundated with product that doesn't have nitrogen and you know, argon, you know, stabilizing the gas inside. So therefore, no matter what's happening due to bulk grows, you've got mass sitting in packages sitting on the shelves, right? So that's a you know, a degradation problem due to the public no longer trusting the product that's coming out from the producers. So, you know, there's some of that going on top of the lack of quality CBD products, right? Because all the CBD products are in the legal, illegal slash world, whereas the patients that were relying on these types of medicines have to go to the gas station to get them because they can't get them at the dispensaries, because you know, it's not profitable to grow, it's not easy to grow, and therefore it's not accessible. And limited productions in state like Louisiana, which only has you know companies like uh LSU and Southern growing their product, then you have even a limited, even a further limited availability and then a quality of grow issue because you know they the product that I've seen looks to be being harvested at six and a half weeks, um, and the high doesn't last as opposed to you know a quality product that would be eight to ten weeks full expression. And, you know, these are manipulations done by states and closed loop systems in these 10th Amendment realities that are causing frustrations as well as still driving, you know, uh uh cannabis um migratory situations because they people can't find what they want, so they have to go into other states, like when Colorado turned legal because they can't get the proper access that they need. So it's a consistency across the country issue, which is of unfortunately due to these 10th amendment realities, and some are more limited than others. Here in California, we have a very robust market that has collapsed in on itself due to over-taxation, over-regulation. And then, as I stated earlier, large-scale production, whereas, you know, they can go to their local, you know, corner person and score a fresh terpene plant, you know, that's been harvested within the last month. You know, no, it hasn't been tested. No, it hasn't been tested for pesticides and herbicides, but you know, the consumer is willing to take that risk, apparently. And um, the legal market has left to those frustrations. So your question, very complex, depending on where where you are and what you're dealing with. Mine is a little more complex here in California, and I yell about it just so that people can understand our fuck-ups and not make the same mistakes that we made through over-taxation, over-regulation, and overproduction of a whole bunch of mid-grade, low-grade crap that consumers don't want. You know, that is it looks great to uh, you know, investors and for production, but doesn't ring true with the consumer, and the consumer has chosen. That's why one of the three people go to the you know the traditional market as opposed to the legal market.

SPEAKER_01 3:36:16

I mean, I have a theory. I was in the rec market up here in Washington for six years and rode that roller coaster. And I don't understand why the these new states can't look back at what Washington and Colorado and California and everybody else fucked up because they regulate the shit out of our industry. They regulate every end of it except for taking care of the farmer, right? When we started in Washington, it was an unspoken 30-30-30, 30% to the store, 30% to the state, 30% to the farmer. And they regulate the shit out of whether they're getting their money or not. What they don't regulate is they don't go into that store, into the rec store and say, hey, I see you have an eighth here for$30. Show me where you paid that farmer 10 bucks for it. They don't regulate that. So what that farmer gets is kicked in the nuts. He gets paid$2 for that eighth that they're selling for$30. And now he can't afford better inputs next year. He can't afford better strains next year. So his quality decreases year by year because you make less and less money. This is the only industry I've ever seen where our input costs go up and the price of our product goes down consistently. So that's what I see this AI being is a bridge between that, where we can get the quality, we can get the efficiencies, and we can compete in a market because that's what we're doing. Is when that farmer keeps putting out more and more shit, you're driving those customers to the black market. They'll go down the street to their buddy that grows in this basement, he'll sell them a zip of good weed for a hundred bucks. They're not going to go into a store and pay$60 for an eighth where 40% of it's going to tax. And none of the other states look around and see that as an issue. But, you know, again, this is a US, we don't take care of our farmers. That's, I think, the problem.

SPEAKER_03 3:38:18

Yeah, what a bummer. You know, it really is unfortunate that it that it plays out that way because it really doesn't make much sense.

SPEAKER_04 3:38:28

I also saw a similar thing as not being the farmer, but being the processor in Canada here. The amount of taxes and regulations I have to follow in order to get product and get it out to market. And you know, it was uh if that farm did their job, then the brand could shine. And if they didn't, then the brand couldn't. So there was also this accountability of were the inputs worthy of the brand that they're getting put under. Because if it was realistically regulated, you could have a couple of blips and get past it. But here it's like it's so tight and the margin so small that people force things through even when um you know they know they maybe shouldn't, but they're just like fuck, this is like I'll just be bankrupt otherwise. Like it's it's not like I'm trying to be shady, but it's like the market creates these crazy situations where it really squeezes people. Um to me, I try to see the positive in in most things. So when I look at this, I'm like, oh, if this is something that could open up the margin for for for smaller uh craft markets as as as as well as j giant MSOs, well then it has to be a good thing, you know, it has to be worth at least worth exploring and checking out. And like Adam said earlier, uh and it was a great answer that he gave because of course I completely forgot about his son and how much he's into computers and AI and all a deep understanding of all of this stuff, that that's where his foundation. Came from, you know, it's like, guess what, dude? This is coming, whether you like it or not. It's like you can be the the the NASA laughing at Elon, going, oh, you cannot reland rockets, or you can be all the giant car companies laughing at Elon and being like, Oh yeah, good luck with your little electric car project. His car company is now worth more than all of their companies combined. Like holy shit. Like it's it's absolutely insane, you know. Like to try and bet against it is like, listen, like, at least if you if you have worries, maybe get involved and help steer it. Um, or if you really don't like it, then you know, totally avoid it and live on a farm that has no sensors and do your thing that way. That's cool too. Um, but don't get in the way of it. You know, don't preach that it's not worth exploring when you yourself haven't explored it at all. Uh, or even if you yourself have explored uh something, I try not to say, oh, don't go over there, I already looked over there. It's like, really? Because it's like different realities, different perspectives can see different things. You know, it's kind of one of the reasons why as I got older, I would stop socially poisoning the people or the person that I had terrible business fallings out with. Because I I could I could be mature enough to be like, fuck, I might be the reason that that happened. So I shouldn't go around and tell people don't work with that guy, man. He's a terrible person to work with. Because maybe they do great work with him. Perfect example, my manufacturer for bubble bags. Sorry, Mark, but a lot of people told me not to work with you. A lot of people told me not to work with him. And we did a great business together, like so much business, all the bubble bags, like so many sets of bubble bags all around the world making hash to this day. Thanks to the fact that Mark and I did some business, thanks to the fact that I didn't listen to someone's social poisoning. We kind of do it as a I I don't know, maybe it's also another part of our pettiness. Uh what it comes out in our human nature, but uh yeah, best to get behind things and support them and find the positive in them. And this is not going away. So we might as well learn about it and look at it. And uh, you know, the folks like uh yourself, Michael and and Drew, and who have like who are already three, four, five years down the road, like you know, the and I hear people in the chat, oh, this will be completely you know, it won't even be it won't even exist in two years, things will be so different. It's like, yeah, yeah, but these guys will be on that new thing faster than anyone else because the old thing brings them to the new thing. It's just a cycle of information that that comes and goes. And when you know, I suspect what we know as AI five years from now will be very different. We'll probably laugh at what we're doing today. But these are the early steps, you know, the early adapters, the ones who are willing to pioneer. And uh I appreciate you guys for that.

SPEAKER_00 3:43:04

Yeah, it's it's awesome. I actually uh been a fan of Hash Church for a while. I remembered me and my homies would uh get together on the weekend in the morning and smoke dabs and talk about our farms and watch uh episode of Hash Church. I actually way back in the day graduated from trimming weed by uh washing all the material as it was getting trimmed and uh you know uh early 2000s using bubble bags up in the mountains. Uh we'd start out like with a drill and a whip, ended up you know getting real cold and easy gentle extractions, and all of a sudden I didn't have to trim weed anymore. That was pretty sweet. Big fan.

SPEAKER_04 3:43:57

From trimigrant to washer. Yeah. That's awesome. So many cool old bubble bag stories. I'd love to do a documentary one day on all these different people uh telling me their origin stories of the bags, because like you know, I I had a feeling you guys were all out there, but in the early days I didn't know. I had really no idea. I just thought I'll make this product, I'll put it out there, I'll try to explain it, and we'll see how many people uh can find it relatable. My goodness, quite a few did.

SPEAKER_12 3:44:35

Can you hear me? I can hear you, Doctor. Okay, now you can hear me. Okay. I had to plug my microphone back in again.

SPEAKER_04 3:44:42

That does help.

SPEAKER_12 3:44:43

Um so truth is, is um this type of machine learning and genetic algorithms have been with us for 30 almost 40 years now. Truth is. All of the supercomputing that's ab we're able to do now kind of reduces this now to a friendly user interface, right? Where you can go to Chat GPT and start writing a story with it, right? You know, I'm a college professor, so I'm in the business of real intelligence as opposed to artificial intelligence. And like you said, it's it it is a a tool, and if you overuse a tool, well, what was that saying, right? If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like everything's like everything looks like a nail, right? And and isn't it true that if you overuse a tool, it becomes a crutch, and now you see the world through you know what the what the tool can do. I think harvesting this information, especially in a business environment, is just really, really important because you're always looking for inefficiencies in any manufacturing process, right? And Michael, you probably know in spades this Six Sigma process, right, which is uh a statistical algorithm that's basically put in place to reduce uh uncertainty and inefficiencies in manufacturing processes, and like if your if your scale only reads to one decimal point, wow, now you're giving away two decimal points worth of product every time you waste stuff, right? And so there's always ways that you could sort of tighten the ship up and making it more efficient. And I guess the feeling with uh I guess some tools like that and the implementation of some tools is that that can be viewed as being while you're taking away people's jobs, right? You're you're you're letting a machine or a computer algorithm make a decision that normally a paid employee sitting in front of a computer terminal would hit either yes or no, right? But I I think that like um most uh creative environments uh that are using AI for enhancement of the creative process, like writing a story or writing like you know, like when I when I grade reports, I could obviously when I'm looking at like what a student has written, like when you're writing, there's a logical flow of ideas, right? Sometimes you don't usually get that in an AI output. So like if you're writing something and you ask the computer for, hey, I want to take this sentence and maybe add more fluff to it, right? It still needs a human to kind of put it into human context, right? So I can tell if one of my students turns in a report and it's just total just cut and pasted out of AI, it's really it's really fragmented. Like it's it doesn't it doesn't flow like the human brain does. Like when the human brain flows down a path of thought, there's kind of like an order to that. With AI, it's kind of like all just jumbled there, and you could just cut and paste it, and it sounds really good, and maybe you could do AI on top of AI, but eventually you need a human, like I always said about the smartphone, right? It's like smartphone dumb human equals dumb output, right? It's like you have to be a smart person with a smartphone, and then you could really get you know the power of having internet in your pocket, you know. But like maybe the question for you, Michael, is like do you get pushback from people's misconceptions about AI? Because a lot of people are talking about AI in the news, right? And I guess again, there's a general knee-jerk action that people feel that it's gonna be taking jobs away. Like, I'm gonna go to the Taco Bell someday, and it's gonna be a robot that's not only gonna take my order, the robot's gonna make my taco, the robot's gonna spit me out my change, right? Everything's gonna be done without interacting with a human at all. So, Michael, like, how do you when you bring this technology, which is a platform, an enabling platform to a business, how do you deal with the pushback that most of the people think about when they think about AI and how it could be taking jobs away from people?

SPEAKER_10 3:49:40

Well, I mean, this is something that I've been dealing with for the last 25 years, though. AI is just the new name for it. You know, so I would yeah, yeah, right. Right. So I mean, I was making some pretty sophisticated, they're algorithmic processes. They're algorithmic, right? You've quant you've you dial up your quantitative method and you come up with a solution, right? And then you've wrapped that solution in an algorithm, and then you try to predict it. So that that was me in 2005. Right. Okay. But then I would prescribe, I would say, hey, we don't, hey guys, let's replay the past. If this is this is the bad thing that happened, let's play that through history, and then I'll tell you that this thing cost you 50 51 million dollars. So guess what? Let's keep doing this bad thing, or let me predict it for you, find the things that are making it true. We we correct it. So you see, what I'm bringing to the table is nothing but truth. It's that so AI or machine learning, as you correctly pointed out. So instead of an algorithm, because this is what really happened. I had a program that ran for 10 years, and we ran it, and it the reach, the love diminished returns happened. What does that mean, guys? In other words, you have a cup of coffee and your job is to scrape all the cream off. It's really easy to get the cream off, but eventually you're gonna run out of cream. So to get any, it takes more effort to get further down into that cup than it's worth. You've reached the love diminished returns. Is that jiving every with everyone? Okay, so now bring in this thing called machine learning, and I applied that. I said, okay, here's the thing I want you to predict, Mr. Machine Learners. And it put on another$20 million of savings because it could think through complexities and things that a human mind just couldn't do. So that was eight years ago when I was at that stage. Okay, so now again, now now that we're doing dealing with um humanoid robotics, okay, so I so it was about 10 years ago when I when I realized and I created this this this thought. I created a thought. On the far left, you have tactical AI. You have you have basically something that starts and stops, and oh there's always an outcome. And then over here you have culture. Culture is is our culture, it's how we've always done business. And what's happening now is AI is pushing further from tactical into now, it's to the point where it can reason, it can do a lot of a lot of things. So our culture is pushing back. So I'm just saying I'm acknowledging that. Okay. And so now here we are. And and then I I'm I'm literally we're I'm coming out with a book called Attainable AI. And it's for leaders to understand that what we need is strategic AI to keep the tactical AIs essentially on track. And and Drew was talking about this earlier today. He's talking about pathways, right? So if you look at any outcome, and let's say we could roll up every outcome that's ever existed when it comes to producing cannabis, what's the optimal pathway? Okay, so that's that's the stuff that we do. And we'll look at it's just like, okay, well, the commodities were the best priced, we had the best crew, there was no up f ups along the way, we got it to market at a good time. In other words, here's the here's the one example where we took 2% of the effort and got 20% of the result. So when so that's the work that I do in just my business world. But what I'll then do is it's like, guess what, business owners and leaders? What do you think your your ability to actually produce the opal pathway is? Typically it's maybe only 10%. It's pathetic. So so now suddenly you see that's just this is we're looking for truth. So don't be afraid of this technology. This technology is simply now that I can tell you that this is the best you've ever done for this outcome, what are the what are the big inequalities to help us attack the 90%? You see? So that's and then and even then we'll still reach a diminished return. We still will, right? It won't be economically, but at that point we'll be in a 95% control state. Right. And and you will then have options to weaponize that truth. You can either get a little more yield if you want to it, or you can you can do something a little bit different with new genetics, you see, but you're operating in in a in a higher threshold of control, right? And that's going to give people a lot of options that that we simply don't have today.

SPEAKER_12 3:54:20

Right. But your your model is only as good as the data on which it's built, right? All day long. Like, right. And in that way, it's it's very similar to cannabis, right? Because cannabis is an outcome of of all the inputs that go into it. Did you see the model earlier that we put up by any chance? I I did. I in fact, you know, when I was looking at that, I I I hope you don't mind, but my my mind floats to science often. Love it. And and I when you showed there was a graphic that you showed, Michael, that had a bunch of color going back and forth. And I was like, damn, if that does not look like a G-coupled protein receptor that's traversing the membrane. That's traversing the membrane seven times. And so, yeah, so so do you know that a lot of the big blue uh IBM computing power, a lot of that has been used to solve crystal structures of of receptors and enzymes. And so, like, if you think about like if you know what the photographic image of your of your enzyme's active site is, you could design one compound and only one compound to fit that, like a lock and key, right? But as we know, uh, you know, at room temperature, which is 273 degrees Kelvin, you're right. So we're still uh way above absolute zero, proteins move and proteins fold, and protein, there it's a very, very dynamic environment. So you need super compound uh computing power and genetic algorithm kind of methodologies to really understand all the different universes that these proteins can fold. I mean, think about like just a piece of fabric being a protein, right? You could crunch up that piece of fabric into a bowl, into a ball, you could stretch out the piece of fabric, you could kind of like coil it on itself. So proteins are very much the same way. And there's 20 different amino acids that are the building blocks of proteins. So when you think about the mathematical possibilities of even if you look at a protein sequence that's only like 50 amino acids long, you have this astronomical number of possible confirmations that those those proteins and peptides could undergo. So, yeah, so in chemistry and in biological and pharmaceutical sciences, you know, we've been doing rational drug design since about the mid or late 80s, you know, ever since we can get silicon graphics, high-power computing to basically look at, you know, the crystal structures of what these active sites and these enzymes look like. And still, even today, there's very few FDA-approved drugs that have gone through this whole rational design process because we know there's so many failure modes for doing this type of mathematical analysis where it's like, oh my god, wait a second, it's supposed to go together like this. It doesn't, it goes together like this, or it goes together, you know. So you can't a priori predict, you know, a lot of things that happen in biology. And it's so funny because I remember sitting in a uh a computer programmer's uh office suite where he had the three-dimensional goggles on me, and we were kind of inside the enzyme's active site, and I was like looking around saying, you know, and I think he got mad when I said this. I said, Are you guys using this program for searching for intelligent life in the universe? And he looked at me with a face that would stop a clock. But um, I think the point is that there's universes and uh I don't even know how to describe, I mean, just huge data sets, right? And what you're what you're doing here in a manufacturing environment is trying to structure that and trying to put some order to it. And again, hopefully providing useful tools for people who are in production that can go back and say, oh, okay, here, that genetics failed here, or you know what, we were able to get a good yield there, but guess what? That product is not selling in the dispensary, and right. So if you could use those tools to make real-time business decisions, yeah, it becomes a very, very powerful thing because uh if you ignore it, guess what? The guy down the road's probably not ignoring it. So he's gonna kick your ass in the market.

SPEAKER_10 3:59:03

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's there's margin, but then there's also quality and value, right? So those are those can be mysterious, those can be difficult things.

SPEAKER_00 3:59:12

I think it's also, you know, it's a big uh point of it, is that it it knows what you feed it, right? So uh it's it's learning from you, and you know, I don't think AI is gonna grow better weed than me, but I think I'll grow better weed with AI. I don't think it's a it's a trade-off.

SPEAKER_04 3:59:37

I picture the guy who was using the rock to like nail sharp things into wood, how upset he was when the guy showed up with a hammer. Like he was probably just like, fuck that hammer. Like, I'm telling you, like people are gonna hurt themselves with that hammer. Hammer, it's yeah, just being upset, like the whole concept of like the jealousy and the pettiness of human beings, and just being like, I just don't like it's probably why we move so slow in our advancements, because you know, like imagine like allowing your opinion on a person to have anything to do with the reality of something that's just completely different, but maybe that they're a part of or not a part of.

SPEAKER_15 4:00:19

Yeah, see, see, Neanderthals would have never put up with this kind of bullshit, is all I'm saying. They wouldn't have.

SPEAKER_01 4:00:25

Look how long we fought LED lighting. I mean, right.

SPEAKER_15 4:00:29

Well, look how long it took LED to get to a real product that was viable too. That's true too. You know, it was promised well before it was delivered, but now it's deliverable.

SPEAKER_11 4:00:42

Whereas earlier on, you know. Hey, with Johnny B, we were early adopters here at Hash Church, right? Right? We were, right? Where's Johnny? He should be here. Is the AI discussion? I know, right? I think he's disappeared into AI, right? Probably. He should send his AI to come in here with us.

SPEAKER_10 4:01:08

Well, I'm just an avatar, so there you have it.

SPEAKER_12 4:01:10

Yeah, I guess the other thing that bothers me with AI, because I see a lot of it on on the internet, you know, just like memes and stuff like that, is they're always getting the chemical structures wrong, right? And that bothers me because being a chemist, you know, those those structures are our beloved cannabinoids, right? So we we we love our chemical structures the way humans put them together. And artificial intelligence hasn't quite figured out.

SPEAKER_04 4:01:39

Well, the LLM aspect of artificial intelligence, let's say let's say. Because you're talking about large language models, but not all AI is what people are going to learn is the same way we can't call it all TERPS because there's these other compounds that are present, which Mark would know because he's a chemist. Um, it's the same thing with AI, there's different aspects of it. It's not just one thing. Um yeah, that's what I'll say about that.

SPEAKER_12 4:02:05

Well, I hate when they get the structures wrong. I I don't like seeing incorrect.

SPEAKER_04 4:02:09

That's like ChatGPT and Grok. You're talking about LLMs that people are like asking to create thumbnails or whatnot, and then they get the words or the spelling, or you know, worse, the uh the it's like playing the riff of stash with the wrong notes.

SPEAKER_12 4:02:26

It's just it's just not right. In the wrong chord with the wrong chord, yeah, yeah. So when I see a chemical structure that's not right, I think the reason why I get I get kind of like perturbed about it is because it's like, wait a second, who spit this out? Okay, this is just some AI algorithm, and they just want to juice up their internet post by having some fictitious-looking chemical structure kind of thing, and there's nitrogens hanging off, and there's carbons just uh out in the hither lands.

SPEAKER_04 4:03:00

But does it not give you the opportunity, which as a chemist, I bet you fucking love this opportunity, to say to the person who's next to you while you're looking at it, hey, did you uh did you notice they got those molecules wrong? Let me explain exactly how they got it wrong, and let me show you where they got it wrong. I would be fucking loving that.

SPEAKER_12 4:03:21

Yeah, I do that about twice a week, right? But I I tell you what, it's important, I think, especially in these internet forums like Hash Church and and LinkedIn and Facebook, whatnot, to make sure that the information that we're putting out there is correct. Because if you put out incorrect information, I mean that's like putting bad information into your model, right, Michael? If you put bad information in a model, you're gonna get bad information out. So you really need to have good information being disseminated, especially when it comes to cannabis and our beloved chemical structures of our cannabinoids. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_04 4:04:02

I'm just uh I'm just noticing now that uh we have breached our four hours. And uh, as much as I'd love to go longer, we can always do another part and get together and gather with you guys and go over what you guys are doing. I really appreciate uh Farmer Tom putting it together. And uh it was good to meet uh all of you guys and hear about what you did. It was awesome uh to have you on, as always, Etienne and Dr. Mark, Colin, who has bounced uh since. But I hope that uh your boys' game went well. Uh thank you to everyone who's watching and the sponsors, Puffco, Bubble Bags, and the Press Club. And support them in a variety of ways. Bingo will put up all their links and all their Instagrams and whatnot. Go support them as they support the culture. And uh yeah, we'll uh we'll try to put some um contact info if you guys can send it to me via the email, in regards to all the different ways people can get in touch with you in the description of this particular video, uh, which will is always good. It's always good to do that. Not to mention, this is the first episode that I myself have put every speaker, is going to have their own audio file, and this is going to help James, who designed our AI. I don't want to call it that. Um, but he's designed this intelligence that is turning Hashchurch into a searchable database. Uh and today is the first time we've created these TVV or TCV files that are multiple. Everyone that's in here has their own audio file that's going to be created at the end of the show, and that's going to make life much easier for James. Uh, so thank you, James, for doing what you do. And hopefully, James will come on one day. And maybe the next time you guys come on, we can have James come on. He has a pretty deep understanding of these things.

SPEAKER_02 4:05:55

Uh and Johnny B. And and Johnny B. There you go, Dr. Mark.

SPEAKER_04 4:06:01

All right, thanks everyone for watching. Appreciate everyone. May the full melt bless your bowl sooner than later. Um and we'll talk soon. Next Sunday. We've got another great show next Sunday. I think we're going to be bringing TJ from the original Resonator, and we're going to uh do a part two to the cryo episode of Cold Supply Chain in Cannabis, which I think there's a ton of data to be found there, Michael. Unfortunately, the data that needs to be found is in the lack of the supply chain right now. Uh, but hopefully that'll be collected. And when the cold supply chain comes in, it'll be an easy and quick sell to those who read and understand the data because uh, you know, what we're really moving here, uh, you can call it a commodity, but it's a volatile organic compound commodity that cannot be stabilized. It can be slowed down, it can be cooled, and that's about it. So, in the in the meantime, hope you guys have a great rest of your Sunday. I am going to go and enjoy mine, and uh we'll see you next time. We'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_12 4:07:03

Happy 420.

SPEAKER_09 4:07:09

Thanks, Michael. I like that.

SPEAKER_14 4:07:13

Great job, appreciate you.