Hash Church Season 12 Episode 26

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Okay. Welcome everybody. Let's see how this goes. Welcome everybody. Sunday morning, June 28th, 9 a.m. Really 8:59 a.m., not gonna lie. Started a little earlier today. Um, welcome to Hash Church season 12, episode 26. Hard to keep track of these things, but uh yeah, that's where we're at right now. Got a really nice day. Hopefully, it'll be a great show. I don't have a ton organized. I've been uh kind of lazy in the organization of church. As it's been shifting into summer, I've had a ton of work to do here around my house. And so that's my bad. But you know what? I feel like we'll pull something out of the bag, the mico bag. Shout out to Santi. Um, loud and clear. Well, good, good. I had my mic turned up, so uh, I'm hoping that that is uh what we're gonna be doing. A nice loud and clear action. Let's start as we often do by shouting out the people who make this possible. That would be the Press Club, right off the bat. You can uh elevate your solventless game at Hash Church with the Press Club's premium lineup of rosin extraction essentials, proudly supporting the community through top-tier tools that make clean, potent concentrates of breeze from their legendary rosin bags with the proprietary pink stitch, and zero blowout guarantee for unbeatable durability and yield to award-winning washbags, premium parchment paper, pre-press molds, and the innovative Press Club Rosin Press for precise heat and pressure control. You know, whether you're crafting at home or scaling out their isoswab stations and collection plates, keep your setup spotless and efficient, all crafted with 100% food grade dye-free nylon, really for a contaminant-free result that's uh gonna preserve those precious volatile organic compounds. So join the press club in championing hash church by heading over to the pressclub.co today uh and show some support gear up for your next epic press. That would be pretty cool. We support that. Uh, let me see what we got here next. Who else? If you're gonna elevate your solventless game at Hash Church, well then you better elevate your sessions at Hash Church. And you can do that with Puffco's cutting edge lineup, starting with their innovative pivot, pocket-sized dab pen that delivers the full rig experience on the go, featuring a quick release 3D chamber for premium flavor and real-time temperature control with four heat presets and haptic feedback. You know, for epic group rips, you can dive into the Puffco Peak Pro, powered by that revolutionary 3D XL bowl technology that offers 78% larger chamber, two times more vapor, even heating from the sides to preserve terpenes, and an XL joystick for fuller loads with less reclaim. And don't miss the new proxy, uh, the modular portable powerhouse with four precision heat settings, last 90-minute charging, fast 90-minute charging, boost mode for intense hits, and an easy disassembly for seamless cleaning, and easily to change into the core. So the proxy and the core are really both uh one and the same with a couple of extra pieces. You've got the core, perfect really for any adventure. Support Puffco's game-changing innovations by heading over to www.puffco.com or following at Puffco on Instagram today. So thanks to those guys for keeping it real on Hash Church. Colin is flying home from Thailand. I believe Dr. Mark told me he was getting on a boat on his way, uh, hanging out with some his family and doing a nice day on the boat today. So we won't be seeing from them either. We'll see if we can get some folks in here. In the meantime, I guess I'll pull something out here. Might as well. What do we got? Grandpa's jacket. Should we wake and bake with a little grandpa's jacket? If you know, if you know, you may know. If you don't know, well, then you don't know. There it is, right there. If you know, you know. So I got this. Ooh, goddamn. That is gassy as fuck. This is something from archive. I'll have to find out. Go check those guys out on Instagram. If you know, you know, didn't know it was a good buddy of mine's brand. Went and saw him yesterday and got turned on. So that was really nice. That was really nice. We'll see what we're got going on here today on ye old hash church. I've been a bit lazy creating the thumbnail, creating the show. I do have some ideas. Um I met this gentleman by the name of Lee Jaffey. And Lee Jaffe was a big part of the Whalers history with Bob Marley and Peter Tosh. He was back there in the day. I won't go and ruin his stories that he's gonna come tell in the next week or two here on church, but let's just say Lee was extremely, extremely close with Bob uh and the entire Whalers, Bunny and uh Peter Tosh. All of them were very, very close. And uh yeah, we're gonna see, we're gonna get some really nice stories from him. That should be fun. I think Dragonfly Earth Medicine just texted me. It looks like they're gonna be coming in in a while. They just had a big event over in Berlin, so I'm sure they've got a lot to come uh and share about that. So we're excited to hear from them. And in the meantime, I'm super excited to have a nice wake and bake. Gonna hit the uh victory glass big ass terp slurper there. Let me just get myself organized because uh these are really nice dabs. Really nice dabs. Uh, what is in the future for me? What is in the future for me? Okay, I think he I don't know if he wanted to create a different one, but I'm gonna show this one anyway because it's the one we have and we'll look this up. I am doing an event in Michigan on the 27th, and that's just bullshit, isn't it? In that just bullshit. Um, on the 27th of July, I will be in that is unfucking believable. I don't know how to spell this guy's name. All right, there he is. I will be in Michigan on the 27th, and I'm gonna be going there with mock technologies. We're gonna be doing a little a little something something with mock technologies. I'm just downloading this now. We'll see if that decides to show up. Unbelievable how when when it when it rains, it pours. So yeah, I deleted all the all the images that I have been sent, I have deleted, and now I don't have any images on my computer. Ah, here we go. All right, so this is the original one that I saw. I believe he put this one up, but didn't really like it. So I'm gonna be doing a little hash class Monday, July 27th. If you guys get in touch with mock technologies, um, and then they put up a different one afterwards. They sent me this one afterwards. Um sorry that I have to share it on the phone, but there it is. It's the third annual mock golf course. Uh, and then we're gonna do some training and some diving deep on some of their equipment. For those of you that don't remember mock technologies, I bumped into those guys in uh Vegas, and we Dylan was the young guy who had helped design the ATS unit, I believe. There, it was like a Jet Sieve big unit, was working close with Logan and the Sambo Creek Filtration guys. I don't believe Dylan is with Mock Technologies anymore, but they have invited me to come by uh and to do a little course uh and then go do some golf afterwards. So I'm pretty excited about that. I think it'll be pretty fun. I don't believe there is um a cost. I'm not sure, but get in touch with mock technologies. Uh, if you're gonna be in the mitten, um, I believe it's here that we're gonna be doing it. I could be wrong. For those of you that know the mitten, you know that people are always like showing you on their hand where they're from. So yeah, July 27th, I will be in the mitten with mock technologies. Now I'm also gonna stick around for the 29th and the 30th, uh, and I'm going to be cruising around with yield distribution, yield distro, which is our um there, they're the they're our sales agency. They're the team of people in Michigan that are promoting the Bubble Man brand. So I thought if I was gonna be doing a course with mock technologies, it would be a good idea to sort of link up mock and yield uh and figure out uh, you know what? I'll have to check uh where it is, my good brother. Let me see. I know it's up north, like north of Detroit. Networking. Yeah, maybe you have to get in touch with them. Oh no, no, no, I have it right here. Good question, bingo. Tuesday the 28th at Fieldstone Golf Club at 1984 Taylor Road in Auburn Hills, Michigan. Auburn, sorry for the for the funny Canadian pronunciation. Auburn. That's the French in me. Auburn. Uh registration and breakfast, 7:30 a.m. Shotgun start, 9 a.m. Four-person team scramble. Come be on my team. I don't know how to golf or shit. If you know how to golf, Pingo, you gotta make it down, dude. We'll do the we'll golf together. I'll make sure you're on my team. So, yeah, and then there's a deep uh dive into the equipment. So there's hash classes, ATS Pro training, fully automated cold ethanol extraction from biomass to distillate, mock's wide wiped film distillate uh units, mox turnkey bubble hash system, fully automated hydrocarbon AHES units, uh, their solventless terpene extraction system, which will be the demo day of. Uh the master, master the cold crash, which is THCA isolate training, uh, falling film solvent recovery, mock's biomass degassing unit, and decarb units with fractional distillation. So obviously they have all sorts of equipment, these guys. Uh a little bit on the solvent side, a little bit on the non-solvent side. I'll be over on the solventless side with guys like the press club. Um, that's where I'll stick to. But uh, yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. I think it's gonna be fun. Little golf tournament, and I'm pretty sure I'm just coming back home right after, and then heading back in at the beginning of August to um Colorado, where I will rent another motorcycle and go for another epic ride. That was so much fun. All right, in the meantime, I think I need a little dab to help me along the way. I'm not sure if I'm gonna hit this one as I just hit it. I got the two gold tiers. We got forum cookies, I got special K. Holy shit, dude. This one was so strong last night. Special K from Vision Creator. Can't even tell you how awesome this is to have. Come on, grab it. Not gonna stop until there you go. There you go, camera. Special K, baby. If you know, you know, gold tier. If you know, you know, gold tier. I'm gonna hit it. I'm gonna hit one of these because I hit one last night. I hit a giant one last night, and borderline sent myself into an anxiety attack, which is great. I mean, that's not always easy. So let me get a little one of this because we're not going for anxiety attack this morning. Very sweet, James. It's very, very sweet. We're gonna, I think we're gonna go for full dab on the rig here, and then we'll hit some Puffcos here in a bit. Probably should make sure I charge these vestiges because uh the puffcos. I saw Roger post a thing the other day. It was like, I feel like I can take on the world when I have a fully charged puffco, and I related to that shit, dude. There's something about when you puff out of them enough, you hip, yes, R.I.P. division creator, R.I.P. to Robbie. I knew Robbie for I want to say 30 years, and uh that was sad to hear that he passed. But I'll tell you, the decisions you make in life will lead you exactly to your death, and you won't be early and you won't be late. So make good decisions. Make good decisions. Yes, the Dante's Inferno is fire. Welcome, Josh. Look at your beautiful, wonderful face this morning.

SPEAKER_05 13:18

I'm not sure if it's beautiful, but thank you. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

It's it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 13:23

How are you today?

SPEAKER_03 13:25

Dude, I'm doing pretty good. I'm uh, you know, I'm gonna turn your mic, I'm gonna turn my mic up or trying to get you a little louder in here. I got this new mic. Look at this. I got this new mic. It's incredible. The the headphones plug into the bottom of it, but I can't get it to work with Zoom. So I'm back to the when I have my headphones plugged into that mic, it gives me a volume setting. When I have my headphones plugged into my uh screen, I have no, I can't turn my headphones up or down, and it's uh it's a bit of a bummer. What's that?

SPEAKER_05 14:01

Not the best when you're trying to do you know a good podcast and be all like, you know.

SPEAKER_03 14:06

Yeah, it's nice to have, you know, sound.

SPEAKER_05 14:10

I know I will have to uh locate my uh headphones to make it sound better.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

How the heck are you? Are you guys back home now? Are you it looks like it?

SPEAKER_05 14:20

Yes, yes, we're back home and we had a really amazing trip, and uh yeah, it was uh it's a huge event. Yeah, as you know, you went and lots of people went as well. We had a really good trip. We started in Amsterdam and went and uh had a great time there. Uh we stayed with Kim from Valenderis, you know, Kim Keller. He's the one who's based in Amsterdam, uh based in uh Europe for Valenderis.

SPEAKER_03 14:57

Okay. Not sure if I've ever met Kim actually.

SPEAKER_05 15:01

Super awesome, amazing person.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

I wouldn't be surprised. Ruben uh seems to pull them out of the woodwork. Welcome, Caleb.

SPEAKER_08 15:10

Oh, it feels great to be here. Morning and Marcus and Josh.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

A little hash church action after multiple days of like clearing trees on my property. That shit is stressful, let me tell you. I was cutting some trees that are like, I would say I haven't cut them for almost 20 years. It was very much like, I'm not gonna cut the trees at my house guy. Um, and I did that for 17 years, and then all the trees like completely grew and covered my view, like hardcore. Like my view is gone. We had a we had an ocean view, and then we didn't have an ocean view anymore. And so it was like my buddy was like, I could come and do some trees. So here, check this one out. Dude, that was like that was like 60 feet of tree going over with my buddy in the tree. So we have not cut a single tree, we've been like the ultimate tree hippies on our property. I just want to see zoom in where he's up there. Yeah, that's my homie right there, Sean. So Sean was responsible for the 400-hour pointulism of Bubble Man. Sean did this, it's all dots. It's all the original Bubble Man. And if I zoomed in close enough, you would see there's not a single line in it. It's all just dots. It's a pointulism of a wizard sitting on. So I never chose the wizard, right? The wizard was chosen for me by Sean when he gifted me this. It's often like that, you know. I remember hearing someone get mad at me for choosing the wizard and saying that I had stolen it from them. And it kind of used to make me laugh when people would like, you know, they'd be like, Oh, Mark Emery calls himself the Prince of Pot. It's like Mark did not call himself the Prince of Pot. Some journalist in Vancouver called him the Prince of Pot, and the name stuck. But you can always see how where people are coming from when they start a sentence like that, where they're like, Oh, yeah, fucking bubble man steals my wizard. It's like, dude, it was a gift from a friend. And when he made it, I felt compelled to like, you know, kind of go along and keep this wizard sort of theme because he 400 hours, you guys. Do you know what a generous gift that is? How when's the last time you gave 400 hours of your time to a single person? Like, holy shit. Yeah, it's not your spouse or family.

SPEAKER_05 17:42

That type of tree work as well is another unique thing, you know. You're not everyone just climbs up and dude, he's a master.

SPEAKER_03 17:50

It's so scary. Do you know how dangerous it is?

SPEAKER_05 17:54

I do, and and it's it's pretty amazing. And the type of uh tree walking that arborists do.

SPEAKER_03 18:01

Yep, he does that too.

SPEAKER_05 18:03

He's truly spectacular. It's probably the the better side of falling, let's say.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

Yes, I agree. So I took uh he's he's opened my view up. I took this picture last night of the lav my lavender plants with my ocean view in the background. I was like, dude, that looks so sick. Well, we yeah, and the ocean had disappeared. My wife was in the kitchen the other day. She's like, oh my god, I can see the sun setting. I'm like, I know, isn't it beautiful? And then we look over to the left, and there's a huge open ocean section. So he's got maybe two or three more visits, and we will have the entire view, and we have a very wide, full ocean view. Our view will be full ocean view here in maybe another month or two, depending. Because it's a lot of work for my buddy. You know, he's almost 60 years old. Climbing a hundred feet into trees and dropping 60-foot sections is no fucking joke.

SPEAKER_05 19:00

It's wild how nimble they can be. Not saying it's not hard, it is hard. But when you do it and it's your daily job, it's pretty amazing, you know, how sweet it is to just cruise up a tree and bam, you got the right saw, it's super sharp, cuts immediately. You know, it's yeah, it's impressive, it's impressive.

SPEAKER_03 19:21

Yeah, it really is, dude. It's uh I've seen him climb climb from one tree to another, like 50 feet up a tree, you know. The other day he was 80 feet up a tree, and it's you know, he said to me the other day, he said, Hey, when we cut this, I've got one more big one that's got about 80 feet to come off of it. And he said, Listen, when we cut it, I'll put a puffco on the on the top of the tree where I top it, and we'll get a jar and a little thing and a puffco. And he says, I'll get a picture, a selfie with it. And then if you can, you could swap your face with my face. And I was like, dude, fuck that. It's gonna be your face, dude. I don't need to fucking do no swap fakery. Welcome, by the way, Etienne Fontaine, my brother from another mother, my France brother from another mother. That's right, that's right. Don't admit the French. Hey, I'll be the French for both of us. How about that? Cajun, the French you want to be. Well, I'm French, he's Cajun. I'm I have to be French.

SPEAKER_07 20:25

But it was originally well, you were originally Canadian, but then the you know, the the Brits were like, Yeah, we don't like you being over there in in Newfoundland. You gotta go.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

Hi, Kelly.

SPEAKER_07 20:35

Good morning.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Look at that mug. I feel like that mug's got full of good shit.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

It is that's like a magical mug.

SPEAKER_03 20:42

Look how fucking is that big as your head?

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Yeah, as big as my head from the Arcada Co-op. It's a wow doing amazing mugs, and it's a full court. It's a full court.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Can we shout them out? How can people go find that? That's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 20:58

Just go to the arcata co-op.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Arcata Co-op. And it's one of the most amazing.

SPEAKER_05 21:03

Uh it's there's no name, there's no name on it.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

But the woman has been working and putting a lot of pottery in the Arcata Co-op for a long time. I know it's a woman because that's what the people in there have told me. Um, but she does soup pots, like soup cups that are as big as like a bowl of soup that is set flat with a with a handle, as well as this one is a whole court, which is amazing. It's hard to find a whole court.

SPEAKER_05 21:32

We make cocoa.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Cocoa, lion's mane, uh, chaga, turkey tail, um, and some stevia in here.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Adam Adam Williams says it's full of Budweiser. I don't know why, but I thought that was hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 21:50

It's Miller time, around.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Listen, right after someone said Budweiser, someone said Kellomidy said Bud Light. It's Bud Light. You know what? That's just funny.

SPEAKER_05 22:00

They say alcohol can make you smarter because it made Bud wiser.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05 22:08

I'm a grandfather, so you have to give me a little break.

SPEAKER_03 22:11

Is that a grandfather joke?

SPEAKER_05 22:13

Oh, yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

I got the Michobag hat on today. Shout out to Santi in uh Colorado. This is uh Ruben's partner in the mushroom business. So Ruben from Balenveras and Santi. Yeah, Micro Bag. They're awesome. I've met them in Barcelona a couple years ago. And every time I go to Barcel or Colorado now, I I try to make a point on linking up with Santi, although we are both very different. Oh, look at that. Classic. That's some Skunkman Sam shit right there.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

From his house.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

These are actually Skunkman Sam's.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Um Diana.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

This was a pack of matches that he was still working on.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

I would say he must have gone through like 10,000 of those boxes.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:00

Like I wanted to say also, Diana is a special lady, and if she's watching, we love you, Diana, and we appreciate you. And we got to spend some really sweet time with her and jingles. The beautiful cat. And I can't stop thinking about the cat because it's a special like Abyssinian.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

Yeah, his cats were always awesome, dude. I miss Smarty too.

SPEAKER_05 23:27

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

I got Sam right here with me. He's gonna go into a haze plant I have here in the near very, very, very near future when I transplant them. Hell yeah, Caleb. Boom. Ours are similar jars, Caleb. We both got the uh shout out to Max for making these jars and archive for you. See how I have a piece of hash stuck on mine, dude? I need one of those. Yeah, that's some full melt bubble hash. I figured like, you know, have a little full melt rip on Sam. Alright, time to wake and bake on that note with Sam.

SPEAKER_05 24:05

Our eggs are hatching right now. I just got a little note, but go ahead. That's let's do one for Sam.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Yes, uh, your your eggs in the garden, like the chicken eggs you made?

SPEAKER_05 24:14

We have an incubator we just got. We have quail eggs.

SPEAKER_03 24:19

Oh, quail eggs.

SPEAKER_05 24:21

Oh, and now we're doing another 24 chicken eggs. Quails are cool. I don't know if anyone has probably not. I don't know how many people have quails.

SPEAKER_07 24:35

They're wild around in California everywhere.

SPEAKER_05 24:38

Totally, but the ones that are domesticated are not the same.

SPEAKER_03 24:44

I tell you, my cat will eat both of them the same, though.

SPEAKER_05 24:48

They have a really nice little breast.

SPEAKER_03 24:52

Having a cat keeps you from having some other things like that. Then of course, being in a like you guys don't have like foxes coming and trying to eat your shit or cougars or lynx or every single one of those things.

SPEAKER_05 25:06

One thing is we have these two properties. The one in Johnson's Landing is in the middle of a field. So it's things don't like to expose themselves going across the field. Yeah, we have coyotes, wolves, wings, everything. Owls.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

Yeah, those are killers.

SPEAKER_05 25:28

Gosshawks are our biggest thing to worry about.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Predators with wings.

SPEAKER_05 25:35

The goshawk is the one thing that our dogs, if a goshawk comes down and kills a chicken or has a chicken pinned down in the yard, the dogs will not run. The goshawk they'll chase bears, they'll chase cougars, they'll chase ravens, anything but a goshawk just sitting there on top of a chicken. Not touching us. Not touching us.

SPEAKER_03 26:01

Crazy. Oh wow. That was delicious. What a great name for a company. If you know, you know. Have you heard of this company, Caleb? Yes, I have. It's a good homie of mine, dude. I had no idea. I hadn't seen him. Check this out. This is the world that I live in. And thank God. I find a lavender plant on Facebook Marketplace. And I'm a bit of a plant guy, you know. I'm like, I like plants. I want to uh I want to get the lavender plant. Here's the lavender plant right here.

SPEAKER_07 26:51

Odd looking.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

It's a beautiful giant bush. 45 bucks. And I'm like, Canadian, so it's like 30 bucks. I'm like, I'm gonna go get this lavender plant for my property. And I go and I'm driving there, and the woman's like not even there. She's just it's a beautiful house. She's put it at her front door, and she's trusting that when I take it, I will send her an e-transfer of the $45. Love living in Canada. Like, I just I love that. I love people trusting one another. Um, so I go, I send her the money right in the driveway. I don't leave until she confirms she's got the money. But on the way to getting the flower, I called up a buddy of mine I haven't spoken to in a while. Like maybe I spoke to him once or twice in the last couple of years, but we used to see each other a lot. And so I just reached out to him and I, you know, he answered the phone and I said, dude, I've been thinking about you. And we had a nice little conversation. And as I'm pulling in to get this plant, he's like, Oh, so where are you in Squamish? And I'm like, No, actually, strangely enough, I'm in Burnaby right now, uh, which is on the other side of Vancouver completely. And he's like, Well, I'm in Burnaby. And so literally, you know, 10 minutes later, we're hanging out in Burnaby together. He's showing me this new uh brand that he's got going on, or if it's not new, maybe it's it's been going a while. I don't know. I didn't really know much about it. I had seen a couple of things, it's very brilliant in the old like I had seen this probably a month ago. Someone just wrote, If you know, you know. And I was kind of like, fuck, I don't know. I don't know what they're talking about. I was like, it's always a funny thing when you've been in this industry for as long as guys like me and Etienne have been in, that you do get a little surprised when you don't know, when you're like, Oh, so I don't know. All right, I want to know. Uh, and it took a month and it took this coincidence of just calling my buddy and reaching out for no you know other reason than to just see how he was doing. And he ended up giving me like a bunch of jars of beautiful hash. He ended up giving me uh some doink, some massive, like beautiful tipped doink that were made by a local friend of ours. This one's a 33 splitter uh Indica candy fumes. So two grams of organic flour, 0.570 to 159 live rosin.

SPEAKER_05 29:21

And then he gave me a doink then, if it has rosin in it.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

Well, I mean, I don't know. It's a uh hash hole. I call it a doink when it's that fat. Whether it's got rosin or not, I could be wrong. I'm new in the joint smoking world, and I don't smoke joints this big very often because I don't want to share. I just don't want to share. It's fucking irking me to shit to share joints. Like when I watch a tan smoke that whole joint to his head, I'm like, that is the most natural, normal thing I could ever see. And only my Rasta friends are on point with this. These motherfuckers never pass a joint ever. Like it just doesn't happen. And I love it, it's so natural. You know, it's why my wife would always say, you are a Jamaican, like clearly, like you just fit. There's too many things that line up. And that one is a big one. Um, I feel that there's an invisible pressure when, especially with a joint, especially with this, like, you know, you want to share this experience. So for me, it's such a great pressure that I try to make sure when I want to smoke a joint that I have one or two other joints smoke rolled so I can give the joint away and confirm. Look, it's not about me wanting to keep you from getting high and enjoying this joint, it's that I don't want to take a fork out of your mouth and put it into my mouth. That's it. It's just a germ thing. And it's mainly because when I left Vegas, did you get sick in Vegas, Caleb? I think I barely avoided getting sick. Dude, what the fuck? I got the plague. And I it maybe came the final straw of my plague. I will say this flying home on Delta, the and I'm in the second row, and the little girl in the first row, right in front of me, is coughing and wheezing the entire time. And she's not like one or two, she's like four or five. So she's like just at a big enough level where she can project, she's she can move, she's getting up and going to the bathroom, she's touching all the chairs, she's licking her hands, and I'm just like, you know, the father of a daughter. I'm just like, oh, poor, poor, poor little sweetie. In the meantime, I know I'm like gonna bring the plague home. And I did, I brought the plague home, which if it did come from her, there's nothing that's sharing joints. I didn't share joints, but I was sharing Puffcos like crazy. Um, I don't know, even if I could just get my own Puffco glass and just carry that with me. And anytime someone has a Puffco, I could just crack theirs off, put mine on. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 31:58

I don't know principles of a biome in that moment. Like that starts to become like and it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

OCD, like it's it's the way it's not even OCD, it's like I'm afraid to get deathly ill.

SPEAKER_05 32:13

It's it's like and I'll just say totally, I understand, I get it. And a lot of people, the whook flu, and there's all kinds of words.

SPEAKER_03 32:24

Well, it's it's not even yeah, it's it's that people don't care. People will be sick, and in order to get free dabs and free hits on joints, they will literally fucking infect like a thousand people. That's the problem. If everyone was honest, it would be no problem. It'd be like, you know what? As much as I'd love to hit that, I feel like something might be, you know what I mean? Because that's when you're that's when you're really contagious. When you aren't sure if you're sick or not, but you think like the people who are hot have higher levels of awareness, they fucking know right away. They're like, holy fuck. You feel a slight tingle in your nose, you're like, fuck, this is gonna be like a bad one. Other people don't really know until they're like right in it. And by then you've already infected like a hundred people. I will, I mean, you you have kids, you know, kids are the best, they they do it more than a joint, and I'll never give that up. So I'm not afraid to get sick in that sense. I just don't want to get excessively sick by my own doing of this, you know.

SPEAKER_05 33:29

We we uh our parents and grandparents, and we have also traveled the world at a time in the early 2000s, which is really late for old people and early for young people. Who knows? During the 2000s, we were traveling and never took any vaccines or any pharmaceuticals for any sickness ever going to Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Burma.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

I did India. Yeah, never got sick.

SPEAKER_05 34:00

What I'm saying is it's you learn about the biome, you learn about the body, you learn about that. There's 380 trillion pathogens present in our body at all times. So we we have every sickness and pathogen living inside of our body. And it's not just you're walking through town and every single person that's sick is just giving it to you and you're no, I get sick very rarely, to be honest. But when I do, your body's actively processing and eating pathogens. So what we came to was instead of doing a full-blown parasite cleanse or a whole wellness cleanse when you travel or when you go to it, we've also done cannabis events for a long time and uh and and smoked non-stop and judges, whatever, past joints forever, you know, because joints are kind of a communal thing, like that's just a negative. Um we do a light dose of parasite cleanse or a light dose of wellness formula during those times of traveling and even oregano oil or grapefruit seed extract, and it's wild how well that can do. So it's just simple. And you talk about like responsibility, like maybe instead of worrying about if everyone's sick, maybe everyone worries about keeping themselves healthy. So I think if we're gonna like put out a teaching, like, hey, when you go to an event, let's not share anything. I think maybe if you go to an event, let's make sure that we're proper, like immune-boosted. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, with herbs and teas and and even foods, drinks and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

But we're like a big field of plants, we're not uniform, that's just not the reality of mankind. How we are is we're the we've got there's gonna be the sickest and the healthiest in that sort of range. And I I don't go to events like thinking everyone's gonna be sick by any means. I love to get high with one another and I love to share, but the way I share now is more the way the Rastas share, which is like, here's some for you, and here's some for me, and we can share. This is communal, we're still sharing. I'm just not putting it in my mouth and then putting it in your mouth. I'm not sure the mouth part is the integral part of the sharing. I think the just the space, the like me going like, here, here's some for you. Sometimes I'll roll a joint for my friends. I did it the other day, actually. Mike, the guy cutting the trees that were here. I was like, I was like, I think I'm gonna roll a joint. Can I roll you one? He would he was like, that would be great. I was like, we sat out on my deck and chuffed a joint together, and he he was uh he was kind of in disbelief. Did he lick it? Did you lick it? Lick the joint when you rolled it. No, no, absolutely not. I I I I I used a small sponge in my finger. No, of course I licked it. He doesn't care, he would have shared a joint with me. We could have dropped that joint in cow shit, and he would have picked it up and fucking smoked it. Yeah. A real man's man.

SPEAKER_05 37:31

Kindness is communal. It doesn't matter whether you're pass a joint, don't pass a joint, just being fun, being kind. Everyone's different. Who cares? Like it's it's a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Dude, apparently everyone on the internet cares, but you know what? Fight the algorithm, don't let it get you. It will enforce all the bullshit you think is true. So don't think that's real either. Um, and uh that's how I look at the algorithm these days. I'm just like, okay, it's trying to really drive home that all of these little and it's like I'm convinced it works, not consciously on what you're looking at, but the subconscious like pauses you make while you're scrolling, these like micro, like quick little mini like pauses, and it's just grabbing that and like entwining it into your. I like to try and fuck with the algorithm and open shit that I have no interest in and see how that affects it, but it's smarter than you think, man. I I don't think we know what that fucking thing is doing at all on the level that it's doing it, which is kind of trippy. I mean, no more trippy than the sociopaths that are in charge of politics and run uh the different countries, so there's that as well.

SPEAKER_05 38:52

Do you post for the algorithm or do you post from your heart? Right? Because heart stuff doesn't always get like the likes and all the if you post for the algorithm and you get your Instagram account taken down, you will think the world has ended.

SPEAKER_03 39:14

But if you post from the heart and you get your Instagram account taken down, you will know that your Instagram account does not define you and that you are much more uh than your Instagram account.

SPEAKER_08 39:31

I just went through that. Thank you for that. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 39:35

Oh, yeah, yeah, you're number two now, hey.

SPEAKER_07 39:41

I was gap like in 2010 back because that's like when it opened, dude. Uh no, no, no. We were we had built up over a hundred thousand following, and we posted a rainbow flag in support of our LGTPQ, you know, community. And uh wow, boy, did uh yeah, and uh we're never able to get it back, man.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

You did that in 2010, yeah, because that's the year that uh Instagram was created.

SPEAKER_07 40:10

Yeah, we were on quick October 6th, got in and right around Christmas.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

I started my account in November of 2010, one month later, but it was it wasn't my BC Bubble Man account, it was my photography account, and Instagram was amazing back then. There was really no groups, it was just like mostly people from like Hong Kong, and like it wasn't even English, it was just like I and there was no translation, it was crazy. You just couldn't figure out if you didn't speak that language, if you couldn't read those symbols, but it was all photographers, it was all people taking pictures of like benches and like a light at night with the trees going into the park and just like super cool, really artistic. Yeah, it was just really artistic. Like my account was Mark 73, and um, or no, was it Marktographer? I can't remember. It was one of those two, and uh all I just took like when I look back at that, I'm like, wow, this was just like when I like taking pictures. It's fucking what a cool thing to get tuned into this like community from across the other side of the world who really picked up on it the fastest, in my opinion. That's how that's how it worked for me. I saw 90% of the people were were in Asia using the app in the in the like November 2010.

SPEAKER_07 41:38

We were one of the first cannabis ones out there and were putting pictures and stuff, never, of course, price or anything like that, but just showing the cannabis products that we had. And yeah, um, but of course, recently Caleb found out, you know, he had his um unfortunately gacked. And you know, you gotta wonder if it's uh actual algorithm or haters. Both.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

I found it's a combination of both, but probably more the haters than it is in a well the the algorithm is the agent Smith from The Matrix, and the haters are the people who tell, hey, there they are, there they are, there they are, and then Agent Smith will put his attention on it and be like, Zoop, it's a bummer. I wish people didn't do it. I wish that we could uh I wish that it wasn't an issue and that people couldn't do it in the sense that, you know, you know, now on the flip side of the coin, I'm guessing an enormous amount of people move product through Instagram, and I'm guessing it just doesn't come out of left field for Instagram. Like, I don't feel like they're so anti-herb that they want to like close all the herb accounts down, like they're against our activism. I think it's probably more a lawyer thing where they're like, listen, like we can't have people using the platform to sell illegal drugs over borders. And so because then it, whenever it's borders in particular, you embarrass like the federal aspect of the government, whichever government that is in that country. Smuggling is a it's kind of like uh counterfeit money. If you uh if you undermine uh the the monetary system of any country, like see how hard and swift uh they come and get you for doing such things. I learned that early on in my activism. There were things I was willing to be an activist about, and there were things that um I was not. Everyone's gotta make their choices. We all have our boundaries. It's awesome that you got to see Diana in Amsterdam. That's uh I miss going to Amsterdam, not gonna lie. It's uh it's weird how the world shifted. And uh, I would have never guessed five years ago that I would just be like. I have a hundred US trips planned before I go to Europe again. Like I I am so far behind on the US um uh travel boat that uh yeah it's fucking Thailand right now, too.

SPEAKER_05 44:18

It's terrible. You gotta get that on the list. What is it's just going to Thailand, I'm just saying it's I've been to Thailand. No, it's just with the with the herb and everything going off. Like we we haven't been back to Thailand since the laws changed, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 44:33

Right, me neither. Me neither. In fact, I was there in the 90s when the law was very much as opposing as the current law that it possibly could be. It's it's amazing to me that the rest of Asia somehow allowed that to happen, knowing full well that the success of the Thai cannabis um, whatever you want to call it, program is going to be hugely, hugely, not that it needs it, but it is going to be hugely affected by people from countries surrounding Thailand that are living in an environment that they absolutely cannot use cannabis. Those people are enjoying Thailand right now, let me tell you.

SPEAKER_08 45:17

There's neighboring governments that are reacting to the people. Yeah, and of course they're being they're reacting in a negative way. I know all reason if you go off the plane if you're coming from Thailand, give you a drug test. Taiwan, for instance, or Singapore made that.

SPEAKER_03 45:42

Yeah, I think we have a similar thing here in Canada. I know they announce it consistently to the Chinese people like, don't use cannabis in Canada, even though it's federally legal, don't do it. You're a Chinese citizen. Uh, those announcements, so they seem strict. I would guess they come with punishment. Uh, if you go back home and there's proof of you using these substances, that's wild. I mean, that's definitely different, you know.

SPEAKER_07 46:09

They have a social credit system, and that that those become social credits against your credit, right? So you have to uh they have a different setup altogether, right?

SPEAKER_08 46:19

Caleb in Korea, for instance, if you get uh charged with the drug crime, they go through your phone contact list and drug test everyone on your phone contact list. Oh my god. Like it's the negative reactions are the worst in the entire fucking world.

SPEAKER_07 46:36

Holy go through your entire phone list. Wow, that's um hardcore, but I can see why.

SPEAKER_03 46:43

Ooh. That's uh that made me sick to my stomach for a little bit there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:48

Yeah, considering half, I mean three-quarters of my fucking phone list would be all dude.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

I have like 9,000 people on my phone list.

SPEAKER_08 46:57

How about that? Well, and Korea is a place where the genetics are showing that there is still and historically was drug-type cannabis. And that what this means is North Korea is actually more permissive towards cannabis use and cultivation and use of feral populations than South Korea is, and that these you know, the genetic repository is greater in the north than it is in the south, and that's just like a funny side effect of governments being weird towards weed.

SPEAKER_07 47:30

And oddly enough, when I was in South Africa last year, which I will be again this year, I'm gonna be traveling back there, went to Eswatini. And Eswatini is a country in South South Africa. They didn't give a shit. You know, Eswatini is also known as Swaziland to the rest of you, uh which you all know. But Swaziland was the white man's name. Eswatini is the true native name for it. So it was it's just interesting to see how different cultures deal with, you know, just border crossing and of course South Africa, it's in their constitution. Again, shout out to Daga couple, and of course, Myrtle Clark and Amy Haystack and them and Fields of Green for All, because they're still fighting the good fight there in South Africa. But it's just interesting. There's two different continents, two different legal situations where you know South Africa is still kind of in its own unique situation and isn't necessarily as declarative as Thailand came, and of course, brought the people there. And of course, the Thailand contracted because of a whole bunch of disrespect, as well as, you know, bad actors just coming in, you know, thinking, oh, it's legal, so I start smoking anywhere and in the streets and in temples. And when you're dealing with, you know, Marcus can tell you, when you're dealing with different cultures, they have different cultural sensitivities. Once you cross those borders of cultural sensitivities, uh the anger is visceral. And of course, we saw the reaction, the law changed outright in Thailand because of, I'm not just saying it's just bad actors, of course, the triads and all kinds of others. You know, they opened their doors way too fast and did things way too uh loose. Uh, and of course, realized they had to change that and they're going through that change currently. So Thailand's kind of an interesting, a cautionary tale in the sense of cannabis opening up its doors. They were also the first ones to really contract.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Well, obviously, it was a border issue, it was a federal issue. It was now no longer a Thai issue because cannabis was coming in right away, like the next day, just packs from Cali. And at that point, anyone that was anywhere else that could just call their herb Cali herb and have it look enough like it. Let's just say Thailand, when it first went legal, could not have grown the amount of weed that was suddenly there. And you could just buy all sorts of Cali weed uh in Thailand when it first went legal. And so that becomes embarrassing on a global level when your borders are allowing things to go over that uh even if you are legal in your country, it's not legal to just go like unregulated over.

SPEAKER_07 50:21

Well, you have you have protections such as Canada has set its own protections to protect its own flower industry, of course.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

Otherwise, people would have invested all this money, and then one guy in India would be like, I just planted like 6,000 hectares and I'm importing it into Canada for 0.000 cents per per gram.

SPEAKER_07 50:42

You know, which inevitably will happen down the road to certain, you know, when people realize Glasshouse just uh I saw that stock exchange here in the United States, and of course they've caused concern. They were raided, and then what they got a what a $21,000 fine or something like that for the uh the underage people on their property, etc. Uh, and uh yeah, they're able to list themselves on the stock exchange. So very interesting uh when you say it's in the future. Well, the future's tiny now in certain result because glasshouse can overgrow pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

Yeah, well, I had never seen Sam always told me that you can grow quality at scale. He always said that from one of the first times I ever met him. He was like, I could grow full melt clear dome resin in like on a on an acreage, and he had many times, so he wasn't saying something that he thought he could do, he was just really announcing something that he had done uh on on numerous occasions. And what's that by static sifting it? Uh yeah, but also more importantly, by growing it in a way that it would create resin that when you unveiled said resin, it was actually of quality because you can static sift anything, but it won't always melt into a liquid like Samstash used to. Super quality flower, super quality heads, super quality resin. Uh, and he always was like, Yeah, you can you can grow beautiful, high-quality cannabis in in fields of cannabis, and I never had seen it until I saw the scale in Quebec at Canara and saw the resin that they were growing. It did really blow my mind, even though Sam had told me all those years, of course, like, of course, what do you mean? I'm like, well, why does everyone like scared about scale? Uh well, because they can't do it.

SPEAKER_06 52:46

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_03 52:47

Same with hash. When I sold the five-gallon bags, you know, the the bucket, those bags sold for many, many, many years. And when I finally went up to a 20-gallon or the 32-gallon more accurately, but we called it the 20-gallon in the early days. Um, a lot of people were like, I won't use those big bags. There's there's you lose quality, you lose. It's like, no, you don't. You just don't. You just have to change the way you do things ever so slightly. The variables in which you how you mix and the way you go about doing it, just just make sure that you have all the things at the highest level and you'll get a perfect mix and a perfect filter, and just like you would with a one-gallon or a five-gallon. But I get it. It is scary to scale. The mistake becomes bigger, right? Your errors become larger. Never fun. Yeah, fail upwards, exactly. So, yeah, summer is here. We had our solstice not too long ago, the longest day of the year. That's fun.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

Oh, I was just saying, um, I wanted to comment on your Instagram. Um, you were you were saying that you thought that they were concerned about sales. And I think that we almost answered ourselves the question in this, you know, in the preceding conversation after that, which is that governments are going to such huge massive lengths to shut down this culture, to shut down those who are partaking in cannabis. Um, I don't think that it's just sales. I absolutely do believe that the shutdown has to do with the culture because we know that when we smoke cannabis, it changes our perspective. And the last thing that any government wants is if they've been raising you in a certain perspective, if they've been uh educating you with their perspective, that they're going to raise you up in society with their perspective to uh ingest cannabis is going outside of that. So I absolutely believe that there's a massive threat on anyone who wants to have a different perspective than that with which the government uh that they're living in.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

I I used to believe that fervently, but then we got federally legal cannabis in Canada, like and and medical, and like you could grow your own at home. And I was just like, well, holy shit, if if that were the case, if cannabis was like, you know, enemy number one because it changes the way you think and it alters your perspective to their agenda, why the fuck would they let us have it on such a scale?

SPEAKER_01 55:48

So we know that a certain type of cannabis, um, you know, super, super high THC, it doesn't have the full spectrum cannabinoids. Um, we know that a lot of different healing properties are taken out of that. I can also uh you know step out on a limb here um to say that I believe that when we take away a lot of the other cannabinoids and the sort of full ratio that the healing aspects of it, both spiritually, physically, mentally, um, are taken away. So you absolutely are not having that same experience um with you know weed that maybe you know is only growing for high THC value, is only grown for really large uh production. Um and that is definitely where legal countries are headed towards, you know, the grow your own thing, I believe, is a bit of a token. Yeah, but it's awesome that um you know the countries are allowing it. A lot of people, more countries are taking it away and less conversations are being had around medical use.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

So and then it's like, oh, you can grow your own, but you can only have a hundred grams in your house. You're like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

There's just a lot of interesting squeezes there.

SPEAKER_05 57:16

Another thing when they realize it, it's not them giving us our culture back, it's them creating a regime and a program which extracts the monetary aspect and rewards that aspect of it. And you can see that in our community, like there's not number one, there's not as many growers, and the ones that are there that looks a lot different than cultural growing looked like. It's the same as midwifery. They legalized midwifery in British Columbia and then it became illegal because they put all these legal parameters on it, which didn't allow you to be far away from a hospital, blah, blah, blah. In Europe and Germany in particular, and in the Czech Republic, they reward you for using synthetic cannabinoids. So if you have regular cannabinoids and you get pulled over by a cop, they can swab your mouth or even pull blood out of your system to check the cannabinoids in your system and take your license away for a month.

SPEAKER_03 58:27

They've been doing that for decades.

SPEAKER_05 58:29

Well, it's okay. It's a lot more prevalent nowadays, and when you go to the events, you hear a lot of stories of people that just came in, that just got pulled over. And there's also a lot of people getting in trouble in Germany for the growing and having grows in their house. So it's it's odd and it's an interesting perspective to be like, oh, I wonder what are they handing us? You know what I mean? Like that is that it's great though. If you just want weed in people's hands.

SPEAKER_03 59:05

Dude, I I have faith in Mama Cannabis. I know that if people have access to it, there's nothing you can do to alter her frequency that's not going to get through to those people. I mean, look at Prohibition. They spent billions of dollars, they they brutalized and tortured and murdered and did all these terrific things, and and she still stood tall and survived. And really, beyond even the prohibition that we know, the prohibition from the 14th century in Cairo ripping the Sufis' teeth out, the hash e cheaters with pliers, all of these different histories of prohibition of cannabis. She's always stood strong, she's always come out. And personally, I think giving us cannabis, like I'm I totally see your guys' perspective. I am so glad I don't share it. It seems like like like serious and and like not, I'm so grateful and so stoked the way cannabis has been like, I just remember the way it was, man. Like even being in America and driving around Colorado and having dabs on me and knowing like I can just, yeah, it's like five grams or something, but I'm not like Colorado, only letting me have five grams. I am so fucking grateful I'm allowed to have, I would be so grateful if I was allowed to have one gram. But I get also where you guys are coming from. I'm just like I said, I'm very glad I don't currently share that perspective.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:36

Perspective, I just think that it's a reality.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:40

No, it's a perspective. Reality is a perspective, and that's how you can shift reality by thinking about it differently.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

I was gonna go further with the with the sentence. I was saying it's a reality that governments absolutely are wanting to tone down and shut down those who are dissident or who have definitely different types of ideology. I think we can agree on that. Now, as far as like you know, cannabis, cannabis has so many different ways. Like my perspective is that if it can get out anywhere, that's great. But what kind of a relationship are you gonna have with it? She can be easily, you know, in the position of the mother and the goddess and the giver, and you can grow her outside and you can give her away for free, and you can give all of the dubies that you grow to your to the homeless people. You know, that's a different type of vibration than if you're gonna have a relationship with her like a whore. You're gonna be paying. She's not gonna be cuddling up to you at night, she's not gonna be kissing you, she's not gonna be giving you some kind of a higher vibration as if when you treat her differently. So I believe that there's a lot of different ways that we can look at sentient beings, we can look at nature, we can see how we treat environments, or even even our community members, or or so there's a lot of different ways on how you can attain cannabis, how you can be a part of cannabis, how you can trade cannabis, or how you can make money off of cannabis. She's up for it. She's happy to be growing in every single crack and cranny and basement all over the world. That's how she began. She doesn't care if you're gonna be paying cash for her or not, but don't expect a relationship of love, of valor, of ultimate respect coming from that plan if all that you're gonna give her isn't a money exchange. It's that way with anything. So I don't know if it's a perspective on cannabis itself, or maybe it's just a perspective on how we all integrate and react and are with cannabis.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

There you go. Well, well said.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:32

And as we know, we have so many different people needing it in their life for every different reason in the world.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

And uh and for real, like, is is a person a person who's trying it for medical use or trying it for emotional use or trying it for any kind of use for the very first time, and they're looking at uh a doobie that's grown, you know, um let's let's just say full on, all money, there's not no love, no human interaction, it's not touched, it's grown specifically for high THC content, it's not grown in any kind of soil or any kind of environment that a plant might normally grow in. And then you've got another doobie that is grown in somebody's home, it's got that love, it's got that intention, it's got that mama vibe. I truly believe that cannabis is going to cannabis is going to touch people in different ways depending on what they're gonna have access to. So I do believe that access is really important and that we have the ability to access all different kinds of cannabis, but if we're not allocated to access something that's grown from nature and has some type of an option, but isn't that an option?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:57

Like, have you not gone and grab some of Chase stuff?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:02

It's becoming less and less, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:03

When you go to Germany, well, how often do you buy these products in the store?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:09

Because that's how they for the greater of humanity. If you go to Germany, it's very difficult to find a flower that is maybe going to pull someone into great expansion of mental capacity, like it's not gonna maybe take them out of their everyday life. But if they're gonna be able to have a doobie that's preyed over or one that is grown outside even in sunshine, or even one that's in living soil in a huge, massive facility, who knows? There's all these different levels to it, is all that I'm getting at. But I don't think that we can totally compare that the dubies are gonna give that person the same type of feeling. I just I believe that cannabis has quality and it's the same. As a Budweiser, or if somebody is going to sit down and have a sip of something. Yeah, it might make them feel different. I don't know. I just want to.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:10

But how many of the things are that these people are doing in the rest of their everyday life is exactly that?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:18

But that's the point.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:19

You know, that's that's because I used to live in this sort of more utopian, you know, like I said, I've told the story a million times when Debbie was like, it's not like we just started growing for THC, like how how fast can I get it and how much can I get at the highest THC order? People, the prohibition mentality of growing cannabis was very much, how much can I get and how fast can I get it? And ideally, if you found something that was strong, you would grow that one more and more and more because people wanted that effect. I hear people all the time talking about you you mentioned earlier, like the full spectrum of cannabinoids. I'm not sure we I personally ever had that as early as the 90s and and and on, because back then it was how much can I get and how fast can I get it? And it was the strongest was the most popular. It seemed to be like that the entire 90s that I was here, people buying flour, they all wanted like the strongest, you know, the the nicest, almost like almost like the weed, you were just like like styrofoam, like the fake weed, like PGRs, fucking like I always called it honestly like like blonde hair wig, fake boobs, like it was weed that would go to LA and sell for like you know five or six thousand dollars a pound. I called it like styrofoam bud. It had no soul, but it was literally the weed that got the mo the highest dollar amount, which was just that was in like the 90s.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:56

Well, I don't think that's why Hawaii was so special, God.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:00

Well, I just think that we can all we we pretty much answered all all of the questions here, okay. Stating that you know what maybe people are wanting is to not break out of their everyday lives or that they don't have an opportunity to in their mind. And so maybe the continuation of sort of factory grown weed with sort of just high THC value is gonna be a continuation of their lifestyle, it's gonna be so they don't know any better. Oh well, I don't think that they know any better because they don't have choices to necessarily know any.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:48

But have you ever walked into a dispensary like in Canada? And like I bought some of Caitlin's rosin from the Kootenies, Rainbow Belts, I think it was. I was with my buddy Andy, and we walked into like a we don't even know what rosin is. But the fact that you can walk into a store in Canada and buy some of it that was made by like an awesome woman hash maker that was grown by like a homie of mine that I used to grow with in North Vancouver 30 plus years ago. Like, to me, that's not factory weed. Like that is a root.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:22

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:23

So that what I'm saying is that's available. The factory weed will always be available in the larger amounts because those people that buy it, they're gonna be a larger group of people that always buy that stuff. What I'm saying is there are smaller uh uh companies that exist today, like Che from Rosebud and you know, some of these other companies, that you can support by going to these stores and buying these products. And the more people do support them, the more that group of uh people who are doing it very much the way um Kelly was mentioning, in regards to not factory growing uh salt grown flour, but growing organically and as regeneratively as allowed under Canadian regulations, um, you can support those companies and um hopefully grow their success.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:14

That's the whole entire purpose of the peer certification. I mean, we're we're all grouping people together and Coots Canna, Kooteny Cultivar, Kooteny's Finist, Rosebud. There's uh Woody Nelson, there's there's so many amazing cultivars, uh that uh people that are growing be if you go to Washington, most of the dispensaries there there is no organic. You can find Eagle Trees or Kenny from over in Bellingham, certain parts of Seattle, but if you're anywhere in Washington, the first thing they ask, they tell you is like, oh, well, there's there's not a federal certification for organics. So technically we can't say any of this weed in here is organic. And I'm like, oh, that makes sense. That's why there's other certifications. So when you see other certifications on there, they make they make a big difference.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:10

Are any of them federal in Washington?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:12

There is no federal organic certification for cannabis there. So technically they can't say this is organic, so that's a weird thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:25

Well, they can't small organics.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:28

Can you put on the label we can't say this is organic?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:32

You can put on the label DEM tier tier certification.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:36

Could you call your brand we can't say this is organic?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:40

Well, like I'm saying there's third-party certifications that do make a difference.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:46

And they are on the label, so and they are readable and QR.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:51

And how do you become a third party? Like, can anyone just do that? Or is there some sort of like bodies that they have to sort of like how do you just come up with a certification that's accepted by like states or or federal governments?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:07

Oh, it's it's not accepted by the federal government.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:10

Well, a third party would be a third party has some type of um uh certification that's tied into either a larger organization, such as you know, the federal the federal organic certification. Yeah, and then you can call it third party certification. But there's also a first there's also a first party certification. That really we're finding in gluten-free certification, you're finding an animal-free certification. DEM Cure is a first party certification, which means that all of those certifications are not utilizing larger, grander federal certifications to write their tonality as well as their SOPs on it. It's just written outside of it. So I think that there are a lot of different uh certifications actually in cannabis, sort of all over the world now, um, for different aspects. And I would call them mostly third-party certification. Unless it's like a clean green, uh, they're more of a third party, Sun and Earth, they're a third party. They do do some regenerative uh conversation in there. But a lot of the written SOPs are derived from the NOP or different certifications that are allocated throughout the world.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:44

In the case of our certification, it doesn't use that as a base. It uses toxicity and purity as a base. So it's not just that there's no checks and balances, there's a hundred percent checks and balances because every farm that is certified has to fit within the modality of all the testing. So you come up with a process, you come up with a certification, and then people can decide whether it's powerful. It's it's not just create a certification and everyone in the world is is becoming part of it. It has to resonate and it has to make sense. So in the case of the pure certification, I mean, growing flowers and growing food as part of your cannabis farm would have nothing to do with the National Organic Program. That that's that's a whole entire other reason for doing that. This is a I want the world to be a better place, I want to restore habitat, and I want to do it in a natural form, which I think benefits cannabinoids, terpenes, flavor, and esters styles, and all these things that we evaluate in cannabis. What we've chosen is a natural system to dynamically charge our experience. And in that, every single thing that comes on the farm has to be individually tested. And within those tests, you have to ask for more testing than the normal testing. Normal toxicity testing for things like alfalfa, nettles, burdock root, turkey, rhubarb, those things often don't even have glyphosate on glyphosate tests. If you get a toxicity report for an herb and you're an organic herb company, you can get a toxicity report that has like 30 toxic chemicals on it, and glyphosate's not there because it's not considered toxic. So you have to be independently educated and find a lab that does include glyphosate or jacamba and other things you know that you find valuable towards a pure product that you can put in your rhizosphere or in your tease and have your plant systemically pull it in and make medicine out of it. So that you know that there's and again, like Kelly said, there's different certifications, gluten-free. You know, they they created the gluten-free certification, and then companies decided I want to represent that, they checked the company to see if they represented the community, and that's how it went forward. And then you can do it in different countries. You're not you know, uh stuck with Canadian National Organic, Thai National Organic, German National Organic, you're connected to human earth impurity.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:51

I love it. I love it. Well, I was lucky enough to be smoking organic resin this morning from if you know, you know. Living living soil.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:05

A lot of the people that win the uh the events, often a lot of them are organic. And it's a little bit of a teaching in itself if you want to go and see, oh wow, how's the high grade in different parts of the world what is bringing it together? A lot of times, not every time, it is an organic cultivated system, but not always.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:33

Yeah. It's also like a very unique sort of aspect of the people who enter contests. Like, if you enter solventless contests, then it's kind of like part of that culture to know that like you could have an advantage uh if you're you know doing your own selections. It's also kind of these unique guys like Terps over Yields, like Stewart from Minor Melts. These guys have like an absolute like obsession, and they're really, really into you know the pheno hunting, the finding of these unique flavor profiles, uh, whether they wash well or not, they're not like uh, you know, because they're I don't want to say their job is to win contests, but it's kind of like this like if you stop and ask yourself, well, what are you doing this for? Like, why are you trying to just get to the what where are you trying to get to? And it's like just having the best resin, having the nicest flavor profiles, the smoothest dab, right? They're really just obsessed with you know, growing their own flower and choosing their own phenos. And uh it's awesome, but it is a very unique group who really are this small group of people who are competing against one another. Do you know what I mean? Considering like the big picture, which is like you know, how many other people are outside of this unique group of like being at a legends or a heady happenings or a whatever it is, you know, there's so many amazing events now as well for this for this culture, so many dinners and so many little cups and contests that uh yeah, it's pretty awesome. Yeah, you're right, Caleb. You should say that out loud.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:19

The others are competing in the race to the bottom, whereas, like Marcus is saying, there's a one percent that are competing with each other to make that super premium tier, and they meet all these events all over the country, all over the world. And it's it's always the organizers are from these community pockets that where you know they can just stones throw away, they've got nice fire, regenerative, organic rosin.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:47

Yeah, exactly. And and a and a friend who owns a ball or sushi joint in New York or something, it's like we're gonna have it at the sushi spot. I'm like, oh, you guys are awesome. I do love the fact that there's more and more events happening. I hope that um there's better spaces that open up. You know, I've I've I've heard that there's some pretty good spaces that have opened up in Vancouver. I'm going to one on 710 here that's supposed to be like on the top floor of a 24 uh story building. So it's supposed to be a pretty nice rooftop little patio thing that he's having. Uh Don Crom is having a little uh 710 event. If I had more data, I would share it, but um maybe I'll ask him and he can let us know. Any more info to share in your event? Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:41

Oh, I'm sorry, the larger scale corporate farms often just grow clones. So it's true that those ones you're talking about, a lot of those people are like finding the unique selections. And you know, like if you come to with a Skittles clone to an event, there could be five different entries from the same clone, you know. So it it does become pretty useful to have like hunted it yourself because that would be your own flavor. We had a cool experience um being a part of the High Secret Cup, um the the Hash World Cup put on by Puffco and Jolly Roger and Bonnie and all that, and also um the Living Soil Cup. And that's kind of I would say based out of the UK, you know, and uh there is a lot of UK family there. And uh really fun to see like sort of three different communities coming together and all the different hashes and the different styles of of rosin and new flavors and different textures. It was it was pretty unique. And I think in Berlin they just opened up smoking facilities or uh smoking clubs.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:00

447 clubs just got licenses.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:04

So we have just started seeing smoking clubs in Berlin like stoners and ghosties. Uh there's a few a couple of them that are sort of known. Tribe is another one that's what a lot of people do the meds at. But uh now it will become more like you and you can come in from the outside and get your own medicine smoke in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:28

Pretty cool. Awesome. That's what I'm saying, dude. To me, I'm excited about this shit. You know, it'll be perfect, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:35

But it's in Oregon, it's sad that you don't have that in places like in the US as much. I think Hollywood and LA have kind of notoriously had really sweet spots. Um Denver, yeah, I've seen through you some of the really cool spots that are starting to open up there. That looks really sweet. And New York, of course, Astor Club, all those places. Yeah. It's the best thing about it is the experience of coming together and it's trying medicine together and and communicating. That's why I am starting to.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:13

Well, Europe is still all under the guise of not that it's a guise, because it's all even recreational, is medical. Whether you wanna that's the beautiful thing about perspective sometimes, it only really affects you depending on what your perspective is. And the other thing that's happening is happening regardless of your belief systems, your your perspectives, right? Using cannabis, thinking it's recreational, obviously it's still medical. Europe is fully on the medical dial, like it's all like very specifically, like if you you could get into the almost ridiculousness of getting product uh into the market in Europe and what will be required, and probably because it will be so medical, and it'll, you know, I don't know how the recreational aspect of Germany will play out with like them growing their own material and being able to sell it at their own clubs, which was originally the idea that had come out. It'll be interesting to see it play out regardless. Um, I'm just happy to try and get some product into that market.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:16

I'm super excited to be around the culture. You know, I I I really love going to events, and you can hear like maybe nine or ten different languages in one smoking club. You know, um, it was was nice going into smoking clubs where there was only dabbing that was allowed. Um, that's sort of a new thing. You know, there wasn't a lot of tobacco smoke, and there's just so many different facets of I feel like one of the one of the highlights of even being in a carbon body as a human being is being able to connect. Being able to connect with other human beings, it rises us up, it it it it it it brings us a higher frequency if we want it to. I mean, it can also be devastating as well, but still that that's one of these gifts of being human and to mix cannabis and connecting with human beings. It's just it's an incredible highlight, you know. If you love cannabis and you love the culture and you get to sit inside of these spaces and have a smoke and talk to people and find out what they're feeling and thinking, and people are a little bit more open, maybe because they're smoking and we had a spectacular time next to Mossy Giant, uh Peter.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:48

Yeah, what a nice dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:51

Stephanie is uh a historian, you know? And uh that's beautiful. And uh I'm rapping I mean what an amazing creator Peter Peter is. I mean, he's just always creating, he's got the best energy, he's a large person, so he's just like so engulfing with his with his energy. And I think that Stefan is like this beautiful balance to him, I would say he's um super heartfelt. He's done so many interesting, fun things you know, over the years with cannabis um from France and uh, you know, just really loves the storyline behind it. So they just came out with the the Mexico edition of the Grand History of Cannabis, which is so cool because a lot of us don't really know the history of Mexico and and cannabis, maybe to the extent that we could, let's just say. And uh and then uh, you know, the art and edu, uh blue ice, you know, being around. Uh we shared space with Wendy and Corey from JP Toro and had beautiful conversations with them. Um just sweet people, what a family, you know, they've been together for 25 years or a long time. I I can't remember the exact year, but a long time.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:20

Long time for sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:21

Wendy and John.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:23

Oh no, same, same as you guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:25

Yeah, 30 years, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:26

No, I think even more than us. Um, I think it's like you and Cher, maybe. I think you guys have a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:32

We are 37 years right now. Yeah, that's right. Three more years, we'll be at 40. That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:40

Isn't that insane?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:42

That's insane. 1989.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:46

Yeah, 89. Yeah, we've been going since 93. I think those guys have been together since like 91.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:52

Okay. Fuck yeah, dude. Holy shit. I can't believe Char and I have been together since 89 and not like we didn't like do the like breakup, get together, break up. We just like got together 1989. 2026.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:09

That's a majority.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:11

It's good. It's good to have a partner in life in this adventure.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:16

Some kind of a commitment there that uh stays.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:20

I had a friend uh when I was a young woman and they had already been 40 years in I said, okay, like come up with something as to how you know you made it work, like can you give some advice? I said the best advice that I have in any relationship that you'd like to go long term is that you have to allow yourself yourselves to fall in and out of love. If you stay friends, then it's gonna last. But if you allow yourself to fall in and out of that like deep, passionate love and see each other as people, then it will always grow. I thought that was good advice.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:01

Yeah, well, if you they were already 40 years in. Taking advice from someone who's 40 years in versus say like two and a half years in is like there is weight to that sort of like, wow, so like four decades, like how old were you when that person told you that?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:19

I mean, we were probably 30 or 20.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:22

Yeah, so you weren't even as old as her marriage.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:26

We were at diapers when they yeah, not that's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:31

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:32

Well, I I I think live our choice living on the land with the the spring water and all the good food's been a good one for us personally.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:41

So we're we're pretty good. No, you guys should have gotten an apartment and lived in the city.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:47

We were just in Berlin.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:50

It would have been amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:52

We were just in Berlin and living in an apartment in the Boxy Platz area. And you know, like I'm good with the people, but the rats are a little much. Really and truly like, and I'm not even afraid of rats. It's not that it's just at nighttime if you're in an area where there's not a lot of people, they're gonna be touching your toes and scurrying away as you're walking. It's it's just it's a different type of energetic field that you have to put yourself into to deal with the rats that I personally I'm good without.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:30

We would sit up, we sat on our balcony and you could hear rats in the and going through the garbage dumpsters to shit you look like.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:39

Oh my god, it sounds beautiful. The picture you guys are painting. It makes me want to get on a plane and go to Berlin like ASAP. I will be honest. We have rats here. There's rats outside. I live by the water.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:51

That's gotta be one of the craziest cities in the world. I mean, you're talking about well, this area that Friedrichstein that we're the area is like the their buildings are there's no roof in them. There's like a fully brittle bomb blown out and graffitied with a full-blown restaurant in it, and somehow there's like a basement and there's like full-blown like electronic music all night long. There's climbing walls, skate parks, all in this old industrial railroad uh repair area. So I mean it's just unbelievable. And then one o'clock at night, everyone's raging around, and it really is mildly safe. I I would say, as freaky as it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:43

Couldn't be more different than your environment that you guys live in. That's the myth. It must be just a total like what I'm like, okay, I'm ready to go home now.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:51

It's not a good thing. And talk about like germs too. You're just like, oh my god, the whole city's just covered in a film. Like if you just let anything sit outside, there's just dark film comes out of it. It is fancy.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:02

I love it though. I love it. I love I like to be in Rishikesh, I want to be in India, darmsala, I like being in the Philippines, I want to be in downtown New York, I like being in Haiti, I like being on my farm. You know, I mean, I think that it's really as much as we can soak up the world and have amazing experiences, then we just do it, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:26

I mean, I super value coming back, putting my hands and pulling weeds like repetitively all day. And we recently people can look into Leo Tolstoy. I won't go into it, but I really love Leo Tolstoy and the uh concept of and he inspired the Duke of Boars, and the Duke of Boars came over and inspired the draft dodgers, and the draft dodgers became the hippies, and it there's an actual thread of peaceful protest in there, and Leo Tolstoy is one of the he wrote the most one of the most popular uh books in the world called War and Peace. And one of the things that that I took out of the teachings of it is just living on the land simple and doing repetitive work. It like does something to your body, it heals you. And it's the simplest thing in the world, and it's it's very often what people move away from. I don't want to do this, I want to rock a garden, I don't want weeds, put down landscaping fabric, stop everything from growing. Then you're like, hang on a second, I gotta keep moving, and the one way to keep moving is to do something every day. If I go away and come back for two weeks, it's fucking crazy. But if I do it every day, it's not a big deal. Weeds that come in that go in or take an amazing amount of strength to pull out. But like a week-long one is it's so super health for me, super health for my gardens, longevity for my life, and it's the simplest teaching in the world. There's a lot of Christianity in there, which I don't necessarily need that part of it, but that's fine for a lot of people. Yeah, it was like the 1800s.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:24

A fact about Leo Tolstoy, I love this. He actually went to jail for turning in his guns. He was part of a group that were turning in their guns, and they arrested them all and threw them into jail for very long, long, sometimes lifetime sentences for being activists to not have guns.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:53

That was the that was the duke of war story as well. The Duke of Wars uh were in Ukraine, and then Leo Tolstoy was like a hundred years later, so learning from that, but they're peaceful, like they put their arms in a fire and they got kicked out of Russia.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:13

Things change.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:15

Well, check it out Tolstoy, War and Peace, or Peace and War.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:21

Well, it's interesting as you talk about that because it made me think about you know religion and horticulture, and Luther Burbank, he was a Swedenborgian, right? He was very much into which is for those who aren't aware, there's uh um esoterics in each religion, and that was a uh an esoteric cult off of uh Catholicism. So, you know, even the greatest horticulture to live, even you know, found their ways into you know dogma, etc. However, it isn't needed nor is it required. However, you know, what you're talking about is also what a lot of veterans have found, and especially why they've formed organizations like Swords to Plow Shares, etc., is because yes, you know, PTSD is not exclusive to combat and to war. However, many of us who have been to war, etc., have found service to others, and then especially working on the land uh from myself coming after war, working on a horse farm was the most therapeutic thing I could have done because I did no longer care about humans, human beings. Once you uh have the duty to kill them, once you start doing that, it turns something in your soul that you have to uh fix. And it's up to each one of us to figure out how to do so. And it's again not exclusive to war or to that. Any type of trauma is one of those things we need to learn and heal from, and there is something special about going to the land and get going to sleep when the sun goes down and getting up with the birds and as the sun comes up that can really uh realign the soul and working the land is something that um changes humans. Uh uh it's unavoidable. So now they're putting a finger on it for you know grow therapy and you know, learning how to grow, but taking something and taking it from nothing and creating whatever it is you're growing to the ultimate expression takes a whole lot of skill. It's a it's easy to try it the first time, but you know, then you realize, oh, I have to build my soil. Oh, that takes that doesn't take a week, that takes months to years, right? And so you have to start thinking in the long term, which is something the traumatized brain doesn't do, it wants to shut down the short term. So by working alongside something and creating something and sustaining it through illness, etc., and then bringing it again to its ultimate expression, is uh if you have not experienced it, it's hard to explain. But once you've done it, it's hard not to continue, if that makes any sense. It's one of those journeys, it's not it's it's not a destination, it's the complete journey along the way that heals the soul, that uh is a lesson to anybody who goes through any type of trauma, is to find something, be creative. But if you're able to grow, wow, and then if you're able to grow cannabis through it, wow. Then if you're able to grow medical cannabis through it, good on you. That's some hard work, ladies and gentlemen. That's not easy shit, and everybody here will attest that. Oh, it sounds great on paper. It's another thing when you know you're out in the field and oh, it's raining, and oh, you found bugs, and oh, uh, how do I deal with this situation? You know, everybody's prepared for success. Uh, nature teaches you the humility of failure consistently. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:23

Humble pie.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:25

Oh boy. Well, again, right? There's no songs about farming, only laments.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:29

Humble pie was definitely grown by a farmer.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:35

Yeah, it's really powerful to be with horses after an experience like you went through, and I can only imagine the healing and non-verbal communication, and I love that about animals. Like, we we don't always give ourselves credit that we can communicate outside of talking, but I think each and every one of us totally can. And we prove it every time with our own animals and and horses or something spectacular. You cannot realign you. That's that's cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:06

You you cannot be mentally aware. You the first time you are not, that's that's when they'll fuck with you. In a sense, why will they fuck with you? Well, uh, I was taking uh I took I took a horse, I had to take her in after I I I worked on a horse farm, so uh it was a dressage farm, so um kids would come and they would ride the horses from time to time and do the jumps, etc. Well, this one horse had a had a girl that she did not like, and afterwards she was mad and I wasn't really paying attention, and I turned around, you know how you turn them around right before you put them right into their stall, and I did it too tight, and she s came right in and stepped right on my big toe. And if you've ever had a horse put its full weight on your foot, um, it breaks things. Um and I knew immediately that something was not good happening, and of course, the horse then just swung her head right around to me, eye to eye, and just looked me right in the eye and just kind of like just to let me know that I'm not happy, I'm letting you know I'm not happy. Two, uh, I know what I'm doing, and fuck you. Just split your toe into a fucking mush. I immediately get her right in. I yelled to sis who it was her farm. I was like, turn on the hose, because I knew it was gonna be bad. And as soon as I took one step, I looked down. The the toe of my tennis shoe, which was white, went pink red. Like, oh shit, that's not good, and completely ripped my toenail right off. There is nothing like losing your big toenail, ladies and gentlemen, to teach you how to walk all over again. Yeah, do not do not highly recommend it. So, what I'm saying is you have to be smart around animals. Two, you better be self-aware around horses. And if you're not, they will remind you in ways that will keep you again, nature reminding you where you are on the pecking list. And uh, yeah, it brings you down a notch in reality, needless to say.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:41

We have quite a few Esquetarian, whatever you call it, Esquarian, not fucking saying that right, but towards uh Pemberton and Squamish, and there's some trails in Squamish I do on my electric skateboard that kind of go near the highway, and it goes near this like four or five-acre horse property, and there's always a couple of horses. And if you just stop by the fence, and this is like way at the back of the property, these horses will immediately like jog over and just like stare at you, and it's like, oh wow, these like they they want to see who's visiting their little square of property here, and they're very aware and sentient, and it's cool, it's definitely you know the classic. I always say the same same thing to them, right? I always say, Hey man, why the long face? It's not a sh it's not body shaming, it's just a an honest question. Motherfuckers have long faces. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:50

If any of them say hey to you, you should say hey is for horses.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:54

Hey is for horses. I say that a lot. I think my dad used to say that or something because I have definitely said that.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:00

My my stepdad, man, and my dad too, yeah. Hey is the first stage of horse shit, is what my stepdad used to say.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:07

Oh, that's even better.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:10

He would say, Hey, and he'd be like, huh, that's first stage of horse shit, right? And they're like, Well, oh, yeah, you yeah, because he grew up in the 20s, so he grew up, his father and them were loggers in Arkansas, so they all used horse teams of horses, so they literally first crack a thing in the morning, they were fucking dealing with the horses and getting the teams of horses ready, yeah. Yeah, but he had 10 other brothers and sisters and shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:41

Do you guys have anything uh planned for 710?

SPEAKER_06 1:44:49

There's nothing more than usually around the bay.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:53

So yeah, what about you, Caleb? Is that Hash Week? Yeah, I'll be going to some hash week events probably.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:59

Hash week? Tell me more about Hash Week. Why don't I know about Hash Week?

SPEAKER_08 1:45:03

It's fucking crackalaking.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:08

Did you touch my volume on this? We can hear you loud and clear.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:11

Lima Charlie, we can hear you, Masonic.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:16

We got you. You can't hear us, but we can hear you.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:21

All right, go ahead, Caleb. Yeah, so SF Hash Week will be there's like uh brands, legal brands will work with uh dispensaries and have exclusive drops of some of their rare stuff that you can pre-order and then go pick up, and then I'm sure they'll also be distributing some hashy genetics, and then they'll be they'll be bookended by some like parties and some cool locations, and I'm sure there'll also be another uh cool art gallery and lots of cool stuff. I hope someday there's a hash auction just throwing that manifestation out there. That's sick.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:01

Organic single source, Joshi. Gold tier, if you know, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:11

Loving it. I'm loving it. If you know you know. This shit is like a swamp. That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:19

There's a separate if you know you know down in California, which is kind of funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:23

Yeah, well, if you know, you know. Say what now?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:29

I like that. I like that. We brought a bunch of hash burger out, and that that's a nice variety. I like that one. Chem dog and GMO.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:41

Yeah, I was talking about that with Mojave the other day. I think that's one that they do at Belushi Farms.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:47

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:50

Yep, the burgers are good. I guess it's if you love it, you love it type thing, because it's the chem, you know, flavor in it. But uh, it's hard not to love it if you you kind of come from that era, I would say.

SPEAKER_11 1:47:04

Right. I think it's working now, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:10

I can hear you. Uh can you hear us?

SPEAKER_09 1:47:14

Yes, yes, I can.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:15

We we can hear you when you first came in. Baby, did you mess with my volume? What's up, Sonic?

SPEAKER_09 1:47:22

That's my first. You know, I'm terrible. I don't know. I can't blame. I have to blame somebody. What up, Caleb? What up, uh Marcus? How's everybody doing? Dragonfly Earth Medicine. What's good? How you guys doing?

SPEAKER_06 1:47:36

Good sir. Good well, thank you.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:41

How are you there, sea cracker? Man, chilling.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:45

Uh, had a late night, so late morning type of deal. And but we're here, you know, chilling. Uh, just kid, kids, kids. I got my one-year-old, he's walking more than ever.

SPEAKER_11 1:47:56

And my what is she now? Six.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:58

She's she's cute, you know, enjoying the times.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:02

Dude, you're in it, bro. This is like the greatest time ever. Yep. It's the truly the greatest time. I was thinking about my daughter the other day who's now 25. Uh, and I and I'll look at pictures of her when she's little, and I'll be like, be like, whoa, that person is gone. Like that person doesn't really like she's part of hers in there, but she's a it's just a very unique time. Like, love that shit up, dude, when your daughter's all little and shit. Just like this is amazing, such a good time. Same with your boy. I remember when I had my son, I was like, All right, like, let's do it. We're gonna do this, we're gonna do that, we're gonna get, I'm gonna get the electric car thing, we're gonna play all these things. And I was like, Oh, I was like, he can't do shit for like three years. What are you talking about? He's like, it's not gonna be like fucking playing Lego, he'll choke to death when you turn around and look away. I was like, Oh shit, like I just didn't realize when I when I was young, I didn't I didn't realize.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:03

Yeah, I had my first kid at like 18. Yeah, he's he's 15 now, so it's like night and day, you know. I was I was still I'm still figuring out who I am and my identity and where I land in this whole scheme of things, but Lord knows at 18, I was way 15 years figuring it out behind from where I am right now. And oh yeah, and it was and I was kind of just thrown into the lake and start swimming, bro. You know, and kids will teach you quick. He's chilling, he's happy. He's like I'm like his big brother dad type of situation where sometimes it like the line is so thin that like he's it confuses him, and even me sometimes is like, oh no, right now it's dad time. Like I'm being stern right now, like it's not playtime, you know. Stop horse playing for a bit, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:52

Stop horsing around. Back to horses, full circle.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:59

I know we got. Turn into like when someone says this is horse shit, that that's a good thing. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:50:05

Like, oh this is that's a that's a pile of horse shit. Hi, and welcome to horse church. Yeah. Dude, we like to experiment over here at church.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:17

One cool thing about Lorenzo over at Turp's Army is he grew up on a horse fund.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:50:26

Italia.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:27

And even after that.

SPEAKER_11 1:50:28

Yeah, my grandpa always made it like we would visit him up to like from like six years old all the way to like sixth grade, every summer, every winter. We got I say it like this we got shipped out to Mexico, you know, like all the kids, no adults, like I had like five brothers, all you guys and your sisters, all your cousins, everybody, straight to the airport, no parents, straight to Mexico, going to your grandparents' house. And my grandpa, he was blind, but he always liked, but he he got blind later on in life. Like he got shot at a liquor store because he wasn't trying to give up the stuff, and he got like hit in the nerve and he went blind. But that grandpa, yeah, he would always make it his mission to have a horse and a cow when we landed so that we could do you know the cultural thing, you know. Yeah, we would take our coach to his uh our our horse to his little uh he had like a corral, you know, and and we would drop him off there every night, pick him up every morning, saddle him every morning, walk him around every morning, give him his food, and and and the cow we would it's called ordenando, you know, uh milking the cow. We would milk the cow, and we did this, you know, as much as you know, to oh give it back to your uncle. Like you guys are kids, you got it out to your system, you know. We go take him back to your uncle who really owns the horse and cow. But we we we did that. We grew up with you know, horses and cows, and my great-grandpa, he was like 80, and we didn't really have a relationship with him. He was kind of like the guy you would see around the ranch or the ranches when you'd be around Mexico or in the Pueblo. Oh, that's your grandpa, like your great-grandpa. Okay, that's my my blind grandpa's dad. He used to um tame horses, and he was like an 80-year-old man, like frail, freaking like you know, kind of already has the hunched over, you know, posture, like ha ha, like and probably strong as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:16

Yeah, I definitely funny when you're a kid, eh? Look how frail grandpa is. It's like, bro. Yeah, until he grabs you by the scruff of the neck. Yeah, great grandpa. Those are the kind of dudes that when the bolt or the the nut is stripped, they just squeeze the pliers so hard that they flatten the nut back into something that can be turned.

SPEAKER_11 1:52:42

Yeah, horses are fun. Here in Compton, it's a it's a it's like a a farm town, too. So you'll you'll be driving around, you'll see a lowrider and a horse, freaking cops and a horse, everything. Really? Yeah, they got horses, you'll hear it. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, just out of nowhere. Oh, yeah, dude. That is wild.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:01

I have a good experience to have out of LA and all that as well, or whatever.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:07

Okay. Yeah, to a person. That's really cool. Yeah, I'm friends with the Compton Cowboys. They're they're like a whole group of people out here, and they like, you know, that's their thing. They're they're cowboys.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:18

No way. I love the psychedelic cowboy kind of crossover with the rhinestones and I mean it can get fucking sweet.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:33

Rhinestone cowboy. Dude, the rhinestone cowboy.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:38

What do you know about pointy boots? I mean, is that just a certain part of Mexico or is that just a funny, stupid?

SPEAKER_11 1:53:43

I know there's those crazy boots, but nah, we we keep it, we keep it, you know, uh, we keep it easy on the eyes, you know. We don't go too flamboyant, you know. Like they do have charros. The charros is a big thing. Uh, you know, my my Theos are all charros. They they they freaking get the soga and they get the bull and they you know they dance in the middle of the rodeo. They're like the halftime rodeo show. Like, that's in my family, like my Theobeto and them, they're all charros and shit. Like, that's that's my culture, you know. Like uh when we were kids, all my cousins wanted a bull ride, and I didn't because I was too much of a wuss, you know, and and I fell once and I was like, I never want a bull ride again. They're like, throw me on again. I'm like, nah, you guys are like machismo. I'm good, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:25

I don't need to prove nothing to a fucking bull. It's like, bro, what are you talking about? Like, yeah, this is do they have any weed around there, or is that like yeah?

SPEAKER_11 1:54:38

So we're from a place called Mascota, so our whole lives that's mascota Jalisco. Like the closest big city is like Puerto Vallarta, is like an hour away, followed by Guadalajara, which is like three to four hours away. So we live in this super rural town on a super small ranch called El Ranchito that immediately translates to the little small ranch. That's where I'm from, that's where my grandpa's from. So it's it's like a it's it's like first person, uh main character fucking like type of thing, you know. Like, oh, where's your grandfather from? Oh, he's from El Ranchito, like what? Like, and mascota means uh it just calls it mas means more and mascota means like little pet, but if you but it translates to mas more mota, mas mota is what they call where I'm from because that's where they used to grow weed at and you know spread it around. And sure enough, I went to go bury my grandfather like three years ago in where we're from, and I hadn't been since I was a kid. Now I'm an adult. Everyone remembers me. I remember everybody, I'm very familiar with the the this the small little town and the ranch that we're from. There's only like 10 families on the ranch. Everybody knows everybody. I know them. We go back, and my Theo Eddie, who lives on like one ranch over, word gets around like, Hey, your your Theo Eddie, he grows weed, like he's always grown weed. Like, like since you were a baby, he's always grown weed. So I go back and my Theo Eddie comes to the ranch and I'm like, Hey, what's up with that weed? I heard you guys grew weed. Do you guys have any like uh legacy type varieties? Like, fuck no, we don't. Like, we got this shit we call the cherry, and I was like, Well, fuck, bring me some of that cherry over because we're gonna be smoking cherry while we're here. And he did. He brought me a bunch of like, you know, outdoory, outdoor weed, you know, outdoor. It smelt floral, smelt like you know, floral, sweet, like old school type weed. I couldn't even put it like a name on it. And and keep in mind, I'm very good at putting names on smells, right? Like, this is like a floral type strain, like 8k 47 or something, right? And and whatever, we smoke it and I keep it, and yeah, turns out my family, you know, like my grandpa's cousins, his family, they're into like the cultivating of marijuana on their scale, like the way the Mexicans do it over there, you know, like it's it's it's in it's in me, you know. And I found out later that yeah, yeah, like your family grows weed, dude. Like, I was like, oh, cool, cuz I do too. Okay, you lace them up with beans or what?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:54

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_11 1:56:55

Hell yeah. I went through Puerto Vallarta and I flew in, and uh, I went like it was a family trip because we went to go bury my grandpa. But I'm a selfish piece of shit. I don't I have no shame. I still took my weed, my bong, my pipe, my email, beans, the whole nine, bro. Hash, everything. I've done this before. I've flown to places with stuff. Puerto Vallarta, they they have like this thing where they like like they randomly check people, but they you know, profiling is a thing. So they they see me, they're like, come here. I'm like, fuck. They open my shit and they take out the pipe, they take out the the the the i spire, I had like an i spire e-rig, you know. I had I had a disorderly conduct, I had an American glass, I had quartznelles, I had a uh a throwaway slurper, not a real slurper, but I had a real highly educated uh 45 banger. I had all this stuff on the table. I probably had like 14 grams of hash amongst four or five different consistencies and flavors, and I had like four bags filled to the brim of like a uh uh of like seeds like this big, like a baggie this big filled to the brim of my varieties. And they have it all on the table. And I'm just like, they're like, you know, we can take you to jail for this. I'm like, please don't. And and they're like, I'm like, they're like, we're gonna have to do something about this. I was like, dude, I will give you money. They're like, come over here with me. We go to a little window. You just see like the workers start handing each other their own debit cards to each other, like on some weird shit, you know? And they're like, that'll be 500. I'm like, 500? Easy pickings, 500 pesos, that's like 40 bucks. They're like, no, USD. I was like, still, take my money, and they're like, here, have your shit back. They're like, we're gonna have to keep the seeds though. I was like, keep them. They didn't find some of the seeds. I was able to take some of the seeds to my uncle, but they let me keep everything for 500 in Puerto Vallarta, bro. The worst, but the best. It's it's it's it's you know, right? Did they put you on a list if you have you come back to Mexico since? No, that they didn't put me on no list because they were over there doing funny business themselves, you know? Yeah, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:05

I got we we got they found some some hem seeds in our bags at the Vancouver airport going into the US. The first trip after COVID, we're like, fuck. They and they pulled they profiled me too. They were just like this, and Kelly walked through and they were like, Are you with someone? I'm like, no. And they asked me for my bags, they go through everything, open my bag, this smells like me. I'm like, I really don't think it does, but you can say whatever you want, and then they started going through everything, and then the last thing in the bottom of the water bottle in the water bottle underneath the tea. I was like, There are some seeds in there, and they told about they charged me $500. But they have me and my whole entire family on a fucking like narcotics list every fucking time we enter the goddamn country of the US. So we're US citizens, and we're coming back into the US, we get literally fucking treated like murderers for a seat. It's like so metaphorical. Like in Oregon, where you know our home is in the US, like totally you can have ab seats of any kind of seat. Same in British Columbia, no problem. But there's this magic moment at the federal border, they act like you're like literally transporting fucking phantom or something. And it's the most important thing. And I wish that I wish there was corruption in that moment. I wish I could have paid someone five hundred dollars and saw a bunch of debit cards going like this. I'm like, yeah, that's my boys, all good, you know. Yep. Let me in, I wish. But uh yeah, so I don't know, it's like five years later, and it's still the same big place.

SPEAKER_11 2:00:52

Last year around this time for Berlin is when I got hemmed up on my way to Mary Jane, and I haven't been traveled since. They probably have me on a list, like LAX or whatever, but I haven't found out, and I don't, you know, nothing's uh got me out of my seat to go try find out either. I've just been licking my wounds for a year now, and I had major FOMO with everybody at Mary Jane, but sounds kind of like whack, but like been there, done that. Like, I I did my product placement, and you know, people know who I am in Germany. I my seeds are in Germany, like the job is done, you know. But it would be nice to go shake hands and kiss babies, don't get me wrong. But fuck it.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:29

Go not during Mary Jane. Don't don't go during Mary Jane. Go but another time, and and then you have to like send shit out there, not bring it the first time.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:40

That's good game. I you're you're I can barely hear you every once in a while. When you lean back, it's like your voice almost goes to zero. It's you're low as it is, but we can hear you.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:50

Your microphone is low.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:52

Yeah, okay. The microphone. We'll have to get you to uh Colorado, mace, to check out these beans once we get them going on.

SPEAKER_11 2:02:03

Hell yeah, bro. That'd be fire. Colorado's a stone's throw away, bro. So that's that's like you know, easier than freaking trying to go to Barcelona or anything, you know? Dude, what what's that parm all about? The what? The it's something parm. Oh, parm the Parmesan, uh the pink parmesan? The pink parmesan. So it's it's grounded genetics. He's like Batman Robin, he's the Robin of Karma genetics. So karma's like very respected, headbanger, dope ass breeder. Yeah, his his like his his right-hand breeder type man from the outside looking in is grounded genetics, and he's one of my favorite breeders. I've been breeding his breeding with his gear, growing his gear for about three, four years now. And like he's like uh picture like a racetrack, and everybody has the fastest cars with the fastest specs, and all up to date. That's what like breeding is with some of the breeders. Like you got the wizard trees, and and and people that breed with those type of fast strains, I'll call them fast, like they're just extravagant. He's kind of been on top of that for a while now, you know, and and and his name is making more of a ripple here in the states now. People are becoming more privy to them as they become more engaged in in this practice, you know, popping seeds and knowing breeders. But yeah, that was pink, it was pink parmango, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, pink parmesan. So that's Exodus Cheese, Chemdog, papaya crossed into mango starburst, and it's a papaya cheese receiver with the donor being the super crazy acrid mango, marmalade, cherry, mango. Like you're gonna get either or or a new material. You know, we always hope for new material, but either or is yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:49

Fuck yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_09 2:03:51

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:52

I am stoked to to be cracking some uh some Masonic seeds in the uh for the Bubble Man brand in Colorado.

SPEAKER_11 2:04:02

Yeah, sent two heaters only. I made sure to send you, you know, only stuff that is is uh promising, aromatic, you know, for hash, no, no train wreck, you know, no no disrespect to nobody, no sativas, no we love those too, but we're trying to get hash going on, you know. So I just star man, Star Man, Star Man, yeah. That's I mean, it's like Tali Mon times Mango Starburst. It's it's so easy, it's just there. It's like just put it in a seed, and and that's what I did, you know. Mango banana, mango banana, yep. Mango, it is it is very much a mango banana, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:38

And then oh Ozzy Oz K77 crossed with Mango SB.

SPEAKER_11 2:04:44

OG Eddy Lep Skittles crossed OZK. Yeah, that's OZK. That's a OG Skittles leaning variety crossed into the Mango SB. Um, I love OZK. I think I think OG Skittles, you know, very subjective, very biasing, but is like it's an easy buy when I'm making my purchases and and people are like working so hard to put everything in a jar and hoping the customer buys something. That's one of the easier ones for me to be like, oh, let me get two of those, you know.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:12

Yeah, is the mango and the S B like across, or is the S B from the mango?

SPEAKER_11 2:05:20

So let me let me break it down. So higher ground, this is this is his this is his spotlight. He's the one that made mango Starburst 36 namesake, right? He grabbed those flames from a starburst OG, which is a fire OG Bubba strain, who was popularized more so by like Crash Castree Mason. He was like one of the first veganic growers, super expensive, heady weed, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:05:43

New York and all that. I've seen all that.

SPEAKER_11 2:05:45

I've I've smoked the the Starburst OG, you know, and I've grown it. I had the clone, I got it straight from Ogre Farms like in 2016, crossed it to Wilson.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:52

Ogre Farms, they were done pure a long time ago.

SPEAKER_11 2:05:55

And and I grew the Starburst OG. I remember it, it wasn't as aromatic, and it didn't have like that grapefruit, mango, cherry, citrus, some might say, pop, right? Which is very in your face, right? Starburst OG, on the other hand, is kind of like empty wallet, like poof, like where's like what are we? Someone's got to suggest something to you. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. It does, I guess, you know. Sure, you know, that's Starburse OG to me. You know, that's just where I'm at with how I perceive that strain. So Starbucks OG, not the most aromatic, but at the time that it was being platformed, it was probably one of the more visually appealing, frosty type strains, which made it status quo at its time, right? That's why people kept it around, right? And it probably grew a romantic relationship where we dragged her all the way to this point. If people still grow her as herself, uh the clone-only elite Starbucks OG. So higher ground grabbed that clone and he crossed it to the Casey 36 from Casey Beanbrains, which emphasizes that grapefruit type turp, which is what is being pushed forward. So, like if you go get a jar of 710 labs higher ground SB36 offering, you're getting very much the father's aroma, not the starburst OG. So it's Starburst OG times KC36. The mango came to life from the KC36 name because of that's what it represents. So he crossed the Starburst OG to the KC36, made Starburst, no mango starburst. Found a selection in there, the 36, and that's what he breeds Fords with. And he crosses it back to probably a male that he found from the F1 population, not the original KC36 male that he used in the F1. Yeah, so that's how the mango came into play. It came from that KC36 name. Yep, and and I use it interchangeably. Starburst, SB, mango, SB mango. It's all the same.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:48

Totally. I get it. Yeah, we grew that one last year, we're growing it again this year, and we have the straw, straw, nana, star, Starburst as well. So it's uh you know, fire, fire.

SPEAKER_11 2:08:01

I I I uh John came to my house, higher ground, and I didn't even know who he was on some secret boss shit. Like, yeah, I had a friend, he's all like, Hey, uh, someone's gonna come to your house, they're gonna meet you. That I need you to do a favor for me. Whatever. This is you know, I'm I have a nice place in LA. People could come meet people there, whatever. This guy comes to my house. I'm just being me, nice guy. I show my backyard at the time. I'm doing natural selection populations, and he's like, You have like different males out here. Like, what's up with that? I'm like, that's what I'm doing. Like, whatever, dude. Like, let's go inside, dude. We we smoke, he leaves me two jars, he goes home. I'm looking at the two jars, and it says higher ground on the top, it says mango on the bottom. I'm like, you fucking idiot. That was him. He was just at your house. Like, you didn't you asked him all the wrong questions. If anything, you just you treated him like you're supposed to treat people, like just regular, you don't know him, you're oblivious to who he is, you can't fan out, you can't pick his brain. He's just the guy at your house. You're gonna treat him with that respect. He goes home, and and uh higher ground starts to have like, and I and I smoke the resin, and I'm like, yo, this is good. Like, I need this in seed form, right? So I'm smoking Starburst, and uh he has like a pop-up at the Aster Club like uh like weeks or months later, and uh he's selling his seeds and they're expensive, but I bought them. I bought like a $500 pack of the F2s, and I bought a $250 pack of the F1s with the intention of repopulating this aroma and crossing it into everything and doing exactly what I did right now. To break put them in my garage, made F3s, uh spring came around last year, threw them in the depths, and I was done with F4s by July, right? So I was just like, and I'm and I told Higher Ground Were they sweet? Oh my god, it's it's what I wanted, you know. I I seen higher ground at uh at uh I think I I seen you there too, where where the the meeting place where we went to go to Ego Clash.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:58

Yeah, I seen higher ground there the living soil center or whatever. No, the the solar, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 2:10:03

One of those places, and and and and uh that's where I the the place in Barcelona, the place in Barcelona, the meeting ground to yeah, one of those places, and I'm talking uh to to John. I'm like, hey, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm using your gear to make a lot of gear. Basically telling him, like, I'm unleashing the fucking cracking, I'm the the levee's breaking. You know how it is when I grab the screen, and he's just like, Yes. And sure enough, here we are today. Like, it all came from there. I'm very transparent, I'm very uh paying it forward, I'm very paying homage. There's no, I don't, I don't my ego doesn't get flustered if you know, like all credit is due to where it came from, you know, and and it's very much higher ground spotlighted the KC36, and it came from the Starburst OG and the KC36 from uh Nether, uh the Netherlands.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:51

Okay, which one was that now? KC Beanbrains.

SPEAKER_11 2:10:55

So the one the one that all of these created, was that the uh the Star Man or the oh no, uh the the the male, the F the F3 Mel that I used is is the Starburst F2 times the Starburst F2.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:09

Because I was kind of asking you about we I asked you about the Starman, then I asked you about the OZK77 cross with the Mango SB. I think that's the one you had been explaining. And then I then I also have the pink parm mango. Where did that mango come from in that pink parm mango?

SPEAKER_11 2:11:23

All the mangoes SB, mango SB, I'm I use it interchangeably. Like if I tell you it's it's XYZ Mango, XYZ SB, XYZ Mango SB, it's it's the same thing. It's it's just ways of making it shorter and yeah, like like same thing with Tropicana. Trop, Tropicana, Tropicana cookies F2, all the same thing. It's all the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:45

How about Barb Burst BX?

SPEAKER_11 2:11:48

Oh, that's a that's a that's an easy one. It's Barbabud, great gardener, seed stock. Yeah, popped it. Very much a barb, you know, like peaches in your face, candy crossed into the mango star. Burst F2 and then cross back into the F3. So that's what we got right there. Shit, dude. Yep, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:07

I got some White Thorn Rose Paradise Punch.

SPEAKER_11 2:12:12

Yeah, those are good. All those white thorns. I I grew his uh bro, they're really good. And and those I dropped the ball because I didn't reveg, I didn't take clones. You know, sometimes I get stuff and I'm just like, oh, this is gonna be around forever.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:25

And and then it's like no, the white thorn rose is like, oh shit, that's fucking coveted.

SPEAKER_11 2:12:32

Candy, bro. Just you just want to bite the bud. You just like fuck, it's ready. That's how I go with the white curves.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:42

How the Paradise Punch and Moonbow does with it, you know, the uh Moonbow's an odd flavor, kind of and I like it. Moonbo's fire too.

SPEAKER_11 2:12:50

Skittle's gassy, cushy type string, you know? I I I like that a lot.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:55

There's a college part gush mints from last year. College park gushment. Uh that was from a Southern Oregon breeder. There's uh Ziploc seeds in Southern Oregon, as well as some other unnamed kind of family members down there doing some pretty killer, like large-scale uh cash runs. So we got a bunch of those and we're working on some sort of photo, period versions of it because we own that nice workout's beautiful. Another thing about the joints I want to come back to, Marcus, because after hanging out over and uh with Lorenzo, and we have hash holes, and this is a good one for you, Masana, because I was talking to Lorenzo about this, but we we've got hash holes and donuts, which is basically the snake in the middle and it hollows out in the center. But uh and and doinks often are just large cannabis joints not with hash in it. But what's the name what's a good name for like hash mixed in with the flour all through and then rolled?

SPEAKER_11 2:14:01

Ayah mincement.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:05

There's gotta be a table for it. I personally like putting all the hash into the flour and then mixing it all together and then smoking here kind of. You can smoke it kind of more normal. You know, with the with the with the hash holes or the donuts, you kind of have to smoke it a certain way, or it like runs, or you know, little puff puff pats type thing. And sometimes I feel like I'm not like taking a big enough hit because I'm more worried about like the burn of it. But when the hash is mixed all through the flour, it just resins up super nice. You can take big hits off it. So anyway.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:43

Well, doinks definitely have rosin or can have rosin in them.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:48

So like preferred gardens and their whole doink thing, like it never has like hash in it, I'm pretty sure. But whatever, I'm into like learning, that's why I'm bringing it up. So, what is the community saying? Like, is is a doink with hash or is a doink without hash? There could be another word.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:08

Both okay. I think the doink is just a size reference, so any of these things can be a doink, just like any of them could be a pinner, like those really pathetic pinner hash holes.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:23

Like this to me is a doink.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:26

And this all comes from the guy who was smoking a doink in Amish country in the fucking cornfields. Is that literally what doink comes from? That viral dude smoking doink with Amish or whatever? Is that where it came from?

SPEAKER_11 2:15:43

Yeah, rest in peace, that guy. Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:46

Exactly.

SPEAKER_11 2:15:48

Young King Dave. Really?

SPEAKER_05 2:15:51

That's pretty fucking funny. I mean, but not funny, because he did die, so that's not funny, but uh anyway.

SPEAKER_11 2:16:00

I think I think uh so me, I I recently judged the Z Olympics box, right? And I did it live on camera. I've I've judged a bunch of things before. I've been flown out, paid to be a judge. I've been to Ego Clash, I've been to Legends of Hash here in LA. Um, you know, and I've judged these things because people felt like I was worthy, right? And now there's like a whole new, there's the new the new kids are here, you know, and you have to embrace the kids, you know, that fucking they're they're they're new, it's it's their time to shine. And and the Za Olympics box exists, and this is like my third time doing it. And and I've I've been uh I've judged things and I've uh smelled everything and I've called it like oh, this is gonna win. I've done it with Masters of Rosin, I've done it with uh Za Olympics boxes, I've done it at Legends of Hash, I've done it multiple times over. I'll smell the jar and be like, this is gonna win. And it and it like like Nostradamus, it wins, right? I've done it on multiple occasions. Um, I grow, I smoke, I like to smoke good. I don't like to smoke okay, I don't like to smoke mediocre. I I like to aim for like, oh, where's the the fire? That's what I want to smoke every day. That's what I aim for. So, like, just to get your head of like where where what what I like. So I'm doing the Za Olympics box and I smell everything, and there's categories, uh, the most unique, the gasiest, uh blah blah blah blah blah. So I'm kind of like gauging what's everything, and I think I'm pretty spot on, even like when I go look back at it. So I start to roll the joints like a regular joint, like we've always rolled joints. You you grind the weed, you put it in the joint, you lick it, you roll it, you compact it from both sides. That's a regular joint. Guess what, guys? That's not good enough anymore. That's not good enough anymore. According to everyone nowadays, the glass tips is gonna make your weed taste better. I and you might get to experience the setting and the experiences better, but it is not the here's my thing. So you're telling me the bad weed is gonna taste better. No, the bad weed's bad already, it's not gonna taste better, and that's what I'm trying to, and and and it's all rolled the same. I didn't roll one with glass tip, one with it's it's an equal playing field, everyone got smoked the same, and they're just like, ah like going crazy because I because I'm telling them, like, dude, out of this 35 entry box, I'd probably spend my money on two of these. And and of course, of course, the people that organize the event, they're they're like, dude, fuck you, you know, like like you're putting me on the on front street like that, and I'm like, it is what it is, and they're just like, You're wrong, you roll like a savage, whatever, dude. I could roll a proper joint too, but I'm not gonna roll up mids like that. What's the point? Where's the joke here? Spend 10 minutes rolling it up just like I hit it once and be like, that's trash. What the hell? Crazy, bro. We live in a weird age.

SPEAKER_05 2:19:03

I was driving around LA with these guys from the UK looking at different herb and whatever, and I rolled up a joint in the back of the car and with no no filter of any kind, like what you're talking about. And they were like, Whoa, you can do that? And he's like, bro, I told you, like, some people don't use like filters and shit. I'm like, wow, are you serious? You don't even know you can smoke a fucking regular joint.

SPEAKER_11 2:19:27

And they were all on my head. I was all like, I want to see one of you guys come to my dab station and and line me up a dab. You wouldn't know where to even start with this turp slurper. You'd be like, Yeah, dude, you want to like I'm better at smoking meat? Come here, come over here. Look at my mother shit, bitch.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:46

Look at my mother shit, bitch.

SPEAKER_11 2:19:51

But I don't like to get like that. I don't like to get like that, so I just let them live.

SPEAKER_05 2:19:55

I let them live, you know. Let the let them like you. I'm with you on that. And now you see like these really cool little circular things with a lid on it, and you open it up, and there's like six different glass tips, yep, and they're all fresh and clean, and they look nice. The one thing that's nice about it is the diameter of the glass tip kind of tells you what size the joint's gonna be.

SPEAKER_11 2:20:19

And here's my thing: I'm not bashing the guys, I embrace it. Dope, roll up, be immaculate, be be like luxurious and and be cool and dope, but don't try to put my smoking experience in my palate down because I don't roll with a glass tip. I'm not saying you're less or more of the way you do it. Don't do it to me, bro. Take it easy, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:39

And and dude, I don't even smoke with tips, period. I roll joints and it irks people. They're they're just watching me smoke. The the end is all like, you know, starting to can't to me, like the sooner I can't suck through the joint, the better that weed is.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:57

I like the glass tip because with wood or any other filter, like there's also I roll it without filters all the time, but like it is nice that when it burns down to the bottom, like there's nothing burning at the bottom. Like you can smoke the weed all the way to the tip, and there's never a change in the in the well, there's a change in the flavor based off where you are in the joint. That's fine, that's true. But you can smoke it all the way down. And I kind of like smoking like all of it, you know what I mean? I don't I don't generally smoke like half the joint and throw it away. Like I'll even my family gets mad at me, I'll even bong hit like the bottom of the joint because I'm just stupid, but I I I also love it, you know. So it's but the glass tip I I is silly as it is, I'm just like I kind of like it. And then the the the holes in the glass tip, like there's certain diameter holes in the glass tip which restrict the airflow. So part of the glass tip is also restricting the airflow in a way that allows the joint to smoke better and more evenly throughout, which is like whatever, it's a it's a formality, but that's cool, you know.

SPEAKER_11 2:22:13

I was at I was at the proper doink's uh event they had like super productive production, like crazy like ESPN UFC type event, right? And uh one of my friends, he's like he's Angel City Farmers, right? And he's like one of the better growers amongst their scene. He won like three of the cups from the Za Olympics, like he won most of the the the the hardware, so whatever. He's my friend. He invites me to the to the proper dunks uh thing, and he's like, Come smoke with me. Like, I got my friend. I I'm not gonna he's he's a he's a good friend of mine. He's like, he's gonna roll us up a joint. I'm like, whatever, you know. Like to keep in mind, like to them, that's fucking dope. Like, if they got like the coolest roller to roll up for them, that's the equivalent of us, and I'm not even into into that. Like, if someone having a crazy heady, like, yo, let me shred your heady. Like, that's kind of their thing. I'm not like that either. So to me, it's like double whammy. I'm already not, I'm respectful, but I'm not impressed both ways, right? I'm just like, ah, whatever, you know, who cares? Um, so he goes, We're standing next to homie rolling up the joint, and he's like, any minute now. He's he's all like, I guess it's a masterpiece, you know? And he he you could tell, like he's starting to get red, you know? And and because he invited me to smoke, and dude is right there, like, it's taking a while, you know? And he's just like, any minute now, you know, and it's all like, you know, let's see how long this lasts, you know. Let's see if they can wait forever to smoke until the day they die. Maybe one day they'll be like, I'm done, bro. Give me the fucking joint, take the fucking tip out. I'm trying to smoke right now. Like, get me out of here, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:56

The filter is, oh shit, you fucked everything up, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:01

Dude, some people for some people it's an art form, for other people, it's like, I'm just rolling a joint to smoke.

SPEAKER_05 2:24:06

We've had a really cool guy named Fat Andy Rolls from uh Michigan. Super cools incredible joints that he's rolling and the smiley face, you know, and all the different things. It's it is pretty insane how good the the professional rollers get.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:26

Yeah, this is uh a fat andy rolls smiley face. Oh, that's fire.

SPEAKER_11 2:24:32

I fuck with that. That's insane, dude. It's like a Millie but in a in a in a joint, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:39

Using rosin instead of fucking. I feel like it would be easier to use bubble because you know, like bubble that did that wasn't six star, obviously, because wow, rosin melting. The fact that it stayed in there and held its own is uh just super fucking cool.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:57

Much love to you guys. I'm gonna take off now and have the take off for the rest of the day.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:02

So well, enjoy the rest of your day, brother. Say bye to Kelly for us, and thanks for coming in. And thank you. Finish a few more bowls here, go till noon today. Got another half hour, 40 minutes of uh talking about genetics and flavors and all the things we love. I will say this not smoking flour for almost 30 years, every once in a while, people would offer me flour that was a resin I wanted to smoke. You know, I would vaporize it, but it wouldn't be the same. But getting like the haze flour gifted to me and being able to roll that up and smoke it is and was an absolute like pleasure.

SPEAKER_11 2:25:45

So yo, speaking of haze, yeah. Guess who invited me to hang out? Tom Hill. Fucking Tom Hill, dude. Out the blue, out the blue, and I was starstruck. I'm a fan. I'm I'm I'm I'm uh ultra fanboy, I'm first in line, I'm getting the seeds, you know. I'm at Emerald Cup, I'm at Spanabus, I'm I'm a fan of this thing, right? And and uh I I didn't know Tom Hill knew who I was or anything, I just I know who he was. Capulator's like, oh, Tom Hill, crickets in cicada did a Tom Hill drop. I popped the seeds. I've had Tom Hill in my garden for like three years. Randomly, he reaches out, he's like, We should hang out. And I'm just like, fuck yeah. And sure enough, he's like, Uh he's like, come to come come come to this beach city. I got some haze on me. And uh he's like, he's like, he knows I dab. He's like, lay off those fucking dabs for a day. And I'm just like no. And he's like, smoke this shit for a day. So he gave me this haze, Tom Hill Hayes, the calypso. Oh, triple X. And he's like, he's like, just smoke it, bro. He's like, he's like, just smoke it. Like, he's like, and and and see what happens. And I don't know what happened, but I smoked it, and then like the next day, I cleaned my whole backyard, right? And then hell yeah, you did. I washed all my dogs, and then I and then and then I grabbed a barbecue pit. Like the whole backyard is is upside, like I I re renovated it, you know, like it's it was it was a little dirty, unusable, now it's clean. And I don't know if it was the weed, like like a like LSD, all you need is like a drop to the city.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:20

I know it was the weed. That's exactly what you do on weed like that. In fact, unless you're like super athletic, because if you're super athletic, then you end up like like going and running six miles, or just doing like some like for me. I love snowboarding on Hayes. Love it because it's like endless energy. Let's go. You're not getting tired, you're not getting lazy. It's the opposite of like mercine and couch. It's just uh fuck, it's wonderful. Look at that, dude. Well, yeah, I'm coming over right now.

SPEAKER_11 2:27:59

Very, very, very gracious of this offering. Um, you know, yeah, dude. Just keeping my head down, and this type of energy comes my way sometimes, you know, like you know, fucking Tom Hill out of everybody. And it turns out like his roots are here in the hood, like, like uh so Watson Compton used to be a white neighborhood. So like his grandparents and everything, they're they went to high school here in this neighborhood. Oh, and it it's a trip, it's a trip, like like it's a trip, it's a trip, and and and he's like, he's like, yeah, like that's where we're from. And I'm just like, how? He's like, yeah, like and I'm like, oh yeah, makes sense. Like you are like George W. Bush, he's from Compton. They they're they're from Compton. Who would ever thought? Fucking. Yeah, that is pretty wild for sure. Pretty wild, pretty wild. Yeah, he was telling me his dad or his grandpa went to Watts High School, which is like that school don't even exist anymore. Watts Watts is like, if you guys aren't familiar with like LA or the United States, like, or like just LA culture, Watts is like the mecca of all the of of everything, like Watts, Compton, South Central, Watts is like where it all kind of that that subculture and a lot of that energy started right there. Interesting. Yeah, I've never been there. Ain't nothing to see out here besides the towers, a little culture shock, you know, like tacos, like there ain't shit to dude. I love tacos unless you live out here. I live here, so I'm here all the time. Yeah, I have no choice. I do have a choice, but I like it. I I decided to stay. Yeah, man, you gotta, you know, you gotta put your roots somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:47

My roots, I you know, my I think my family thought they were gonna be in Manitoba, but I think at 22 or 23 I moved out west and have just been living out here ever since, and just uh in a kind of quiet little village seaside neighborhood, you know, you just blink and you drive by, you don't see us at all, very short-lived on the highway. And it's uh it's good, but yet it's still worldly enough to be 25 minutes from the city of Vancouver and about an hour from Whistler, uh, British Columbia. So it's like a good spot. We got like the the the whales out front, orcas and and humpbacks and shit like on the ocean right out front. But then for in less than an hour you can drive and be you know on the top of some epic mountain that you can ski your snowboard down. So it's definitely the place that that my soul sort of drove me to, not to mention, dude, in the 90s when I came here, this place was like hard weed culture, like it was crazy. You guys had some crazy prohibition going on down there in a way that like made us flourish. We were just like in the 90s, I don't even know how many metric tons of flour was sent from British Columbia to to uh um the US, all of the states for that matter. Beasters to the Beast Coast, the Beast Coast, yeah. Well, before it was Beasters, it was just like nice flour, right? The Beasters was like a whole beginning of a combination of drying not happening anymore, and people because the drying didn't because they were bouncing the flour. A lot of people bounced the flour, and uh, you know, I've said it many times, we we didn't have that luxury because the the buyers were US and they wouldn't they wouldn't buy the bounce flour, so it was generally like the proof was in the pudding that some of those buyers were bouncing their material before they were selling it into the market, and then it started, you know, then groups here were like, Well, we're just gonna dry it less and make it harder for them to bounce that resin off of the plant. And uh that became the the real bad combination of beasters, and then it was just hit terrible weed at that point. It was like, you know what, just throw 2,000 pounds of the worst quality weed you could possibly find. It was a weird thing for that timeline for California because it wasn't sure, it was short after early 2000s that California just was like took that over from all of you know Canada. They just were like, Hold my beer, Canada. We're just like boom, cali packs everywhere.

SPEAKER_07 2:32:26

That happens when you flood out 5,000 clones a week.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:31

Is that what happened?

SPEAKER_06 2:32:33

For years, kind of works, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:36

Dude, I remember the clone scenario Shanti Baba had going on in Bellinzona in the south of Switzerland back in like the early 2000s. And it was I'd never seen anything like it. Like, he must have been doing 20 or 30,000 clones a day. Like he had a silo, bro, with a train that came into it.

SPEAKER_07 2:32:56

I know. Ed Ed's the one who helped him expand. He heard about what we're doing, so Ed went over there and helped and showed him what we were doing. And boy, did they fucking blow the fuck up.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:07

You you want to hear a funny story, uh, Edgar? Uh, I was in Lugano, I was hanging out with breeder Steve because he's who I knew, and I kind of barely knew Scott Blakey, but I thought it was super cool that Steve's wife had just had a daughter. Uh, my wife had just had a daughter, and Shantibaba's wife had just had a daughter. So all three of us had daughters within like 30 days of one another born. And I was kind of trying to get us together, and I ended up over at Shantibaba's, and I went to his greenhouse with Gypsy Nirvana. And at one point, I was like, Hey, listen, like, Steve lives in Lugano. You we should all get together. And he goes, Oh man, that guy's a heat score. He says Steve's a heat score. And I'm like, Oh, really? I'm like, okay, like, I don't know. I thought Steve had his head down pretty good. I didn't feel heated out. Anyway, I go back, I tell Steve this. He just chuckles later that night. We're watching the like Lugano news. And fucking Shanti Baba's on the Lugano news with like a train going into this silo. This silo's just got like a mountain of weed in it. And he's like, this is like literally a year before he ended up getting like arrested and put in prison. And I just thought, fuck, you know, like Kettle Black, dude. Like, what are you calling Breeder Steve a heat score when you're on the news in like with a train? Oh my gosh, dude.

SPEAKER_06 2:34:30

With a train.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:35

Whatever the scenario is.

SPEAKER_06 2:34:36

I've known drug dealers, but not many I know had trains.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:39

I'm sure I mixed up. Well, there was train tracks. Whether there was a train in there, it was, you know, it was him in this silo. There was a big pile. I just remember it vaguely. It was 25 years ago. Um, but uh, if you're watching this, Scott, by all means, reply and uh let me know what what I got wrong. But uh that's how I remember it.

SPEAKER_10 2:35:04

First ab of the day, baby.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:06

Oh wow. That's that's that's one of the best stabs, especially when it's such a beautiful, flavorful man. I'll tell you, I had uh no idea I was gonna get gifted all these beautiful flavors from my buddy the other day. Candy fumes. He hooked me up with the candy fumes. Um here, check this out. I thought it was a nice picture. I got this because I went and got this lavender plant the other day, and then he gave me this candy fumes, and I was like, dude, do these not go together like peanut butter and jelly? Hell yeah, they dude is the answer.

SPEAKER_08 2:35:45

Jelly and jelly.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:46

Jelly and jelly.

SPEAKER_06 2:35:50

Jelly and jam at that point, or it could be.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:54

It could be. Look how good the magic hour makes resin look. Well, it almost makes it look golden. It absolutely does, but it it it if you look underneath at the bottom, it isn't golden, it's that whiter color all along the bottom. It's the only part that the sun is touching that's lighting it up and making it look that more amberish, golden, dark color. It's actually very light-colored shit and tasty as fuck. I love me some tasty dabs, I'm not gonna lie. I also will say, now that I'm smoking uh joints, I have really been enjoying this hash. This uh this sort of brick hash that I uh that I made uh maybe eight months ago now. It's real like it's got a nice kind of texture to it. It's like nice and deep and hashy, you know, where you get rid of all of you get rid of so much of the bouquet of flavor profile that when you end up with that dominant beta caryophylline, that peppery smell, it really brings home the smell of traditional hash. And it's like 45% uh THC, this hash. And I've and it's been aged at room temperature, so it's really soft and pliable. I'll break a little square off and uh toss it in the cube grinder. And holy shit, man, I'll mix that in and smoke it with a joint. And I have a full appreciation for traditional hash when you roll it into a joint. It burns different than melt, burns different than rosin. It offers a deeper, uh, like flavor profile that's just different from those high notes of all the fruits and all the rotten, you know, goodness that we love and all these other cultivars. I have a real appreciation for traditional hash. And probably that's because I have a history with it when I was younger. I don't know, but smoking joints have totally brought me back to the table to smoking traditional hash and just uh being able to shoot, shoo, shoot up in the grinder and have it just be dusted perfect where it's not like falling out hash bombers, you know. When you hash bombers, let's be honest, that was the result of poor homogenization of hash to flour ratio, people breaking off too big of pieces. You guys maybe weren't there in the 80s, some of you were, but I'm telling you, the hash bomber was the ultimate bullshit. Big chunks of flaming hash falling out of the tip of your joint and burning your fucking pants. Not good. Not yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:38:44

First time I got hash was from uh one of the first guys that normalized weed in my family because my dad was always like, Nah, like stop smoking, junior, junior. You need to quit smoking. And then he got back into lowriding, and there was one of his car club members uh from Montebello, his name was Ray. And the Ray Ray, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 2:39:03

Ray was like Ray had his identity. He sold Kirby vacuums, he had a house, he had lowriders, like you know, like he he had his identity as as a person here in America. And my dad, he's like a he owns a tow truck company. Um, he got into low riders again. He's been low riding since 19 like 87, but he got back into it like in 2009 and 10 when I was like in 10th grade, 11th grade. So Ray started was a smoker, and he's in the car club. He it's normalized, right? He's seen somebody that smokes that fucking has a life, right? And his son smokes, he's having a hard time. You know, I'm over here analyzing it. He's having a hard time, you know, putting up with his son because he likes to smoke every fucking day. That's me. So Ray comes into our life and normalizes it. My dad kind of eases eases you know up on me, even as a high schooler, and and lets Ray talk to me, you know. Oh, what's up, Junior? You know, fucking be good to your parents, you know. Like, you know, it's cool to smoke and all, but like be good to your parents. Yeah, I do. I have good grades. Cool. Here's some hash. Like, you know, the the orange uh pharmacy vials. He had like a 40 gram vial full of that style hash, and he just breaks me off a piece. And at the time, I'm just a kid that every day I smoke weed, and it's usually like an eighth, uh, not an eighth that I smoke, but like an eighth is big to me, like an eighth for 50, a dime bag gets you a 0.5, a dub gets you uh a gram. This is what I smoke. I'm 15, 16 years old. And this guy gives me this whole thing of hash, and and and the next thing you know, like that was like my first experience with hash, and and it was very like like like you know, just like it was different, you know, and it was the pinnacle at the point. And I remember just always looking for it after, and and then I didn't know you know, making BHO in 2012, you know, like hash has been always I didn't know I was always I didn't know I was gonna end up smoking hash. I was a blunt guy, but here we are today. You know, we're a hash, I'm a hash guy, love hash.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:06

Yeah, well, and listen, generally, people who love getting high realize quickly that, like, you know, it's like when you're hungry and you order a pizza, like, you don't eat the box, you just eat the pizza, the part that's gonna feed your appetite. Yeah, I see you, Etienne, you box eating motherfucker.

SPEAKER_06 2:41:27

You don't eat the box, you wasteful motherfucker. Ruffage.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:31

Yeah, it's there's other people have touched that box. People touch your pizza too.

SPEAKER_11 2:41:38

Never touch I want to get high, so I smoke flour, you know. Like I want to feel different. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:44

I'll smoke flour, but I'll be honest, the second I smoke a joint, like right after I'm done, I usually like 10 to 20 minutes later will go smash a huge dab.

SPEAKER_09 2:41:53

I'd feel you on that one, too.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:54

Yeah, I'll enjoy the high for 15 minutes or so.

SPEAKER_11 2:41:58

I'll wake up, smoke a smoke the blunt from the night before that I put out halfway, and then I'll be like, Oh shit, you didn't dab. Let's dab, you know. But it'll be like an hour, you know, like an hour into the day. Totally. Gotta get that dab in.

SPEAKER_07 2:42:14

I'm smoking water hash, and then I'll go to dabbing, and then I'll dab for we call that bubble hash here, Etian.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:20

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 2:42:24

It's water, use it as it's a solvent here.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:30

It's solventless, bro. Don't make me block you from the channel. Never, never. I don't think I've even had a disagreeable. You're very agreeable. You're not a very disagreeable person, Etienne. I can't imagine having a falling out with you, to be honest. If you have a falling out with Etienne, just I'm talking to all the people out there, all one of them. Uh, it's probably your fault.

SPEAKER_07 2:42:59

Yeah, I'm a pretty easy-going guy. You know, the only reason I don't hang out with you is unless you're a rapist and a pedophile.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:07

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_07 2:43:08

Yeah. I can't stand those kind of people. Everybody else I'm pretty cool with, but you know, I avoid those.

SPEAKER_09 2:43:15

Yeah, right there with you on that one.

SPEAKER_07 2:43:17

Good to, good to I think those are good things to avoid, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:20

Like kind of at the top of the list.

SPEAKER_07 2:43:23

We have to set our own boundaries in life, and those are boundaries I've set that I've have got me through pretty well in life. And, you know, um, uh, but yeah, I keep it peaceful and open. You know, I try not to have beats with people. Anything I like to have have debates and and and learn, you know, that's why I've I love and why I've come back here religiously, is because I'm always learning. You know, I'm uh, you know, there's there's not many places the well-educated cannabis can go to learn. You know what I'm saying? You have to, you're constantly, you know, uh being around others or and I mean I belong to various scientific, you know, groups, so I get you know the latest in you know cannabis science because there's just so much happening, and it's very rare. It's I mean, last weekend to sit there and learn that you know EEGs are now being used to figure out highs, etc. Always, I mean, we all thought about that, but then to see the science behind it and to see some of the anecdotals be reinforced by science is you know, I there's not many places I can go to find that, much less learn about it, much less then start to debate or think about the you know, the ethical quandaries that come with something like that, right? Which opens up a whole different series of thoughts and ideas and concepts that, you know, m makes you wonder, but at the same time, you know, you have to look at the potential beauties, but at this potential horrors at the same time, and as we figure out and navigate these ethical waters, right? Because it's one thing to have and understand these, but I've also seen science abused in the VA system. I'm a veteran, right? So I go through the VA system so I can absorb and I'm always looking at what's happening in science at the same time, using that to reshape policy in real time. So the advances in something like the the science or I mean, just like Excelbi, right? That new medicine that just came out, the the cannabinoid-derived, you know, lower back pain medicine, led us to uh realize that you know there's an essentials medicines list that the World Health Organization puts out. And currently there's no cannabis on it. So, you know, having those types of things that are available now and worldwide, including epidialex and others, you know, um points us to another navigating water to affect change by getting cannabis on the essentials medicine list.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:11

So more access, better, better.

SPEAKER_07 2:46:13

Well, that makes all the countries that are part of it, you know, 196 countries that they have to then stock and have on hand. And you know what that does for you know the acceptability as well as the you know reliance on oh, there's not an opioid, oh it's a cannabis derive, you know. What is that? That's badass.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:34

What's my dab towel? I think uh Edgar should have dab towels like this. In fact, I think he should have a Wilson one and like dude, come on.

SPEAKER_11 2:46:43

I go to Costco and just buy these.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:45

I know, but I don't mean for you to use, I mean for you to like this is like merch that people would be like look at fucking minor mouth how sick this shit is, dude.

SPEAKER_11 2:46:55

Yeah, shout out shout out them, they're fucking fire. I love fucking miners' mouths, dude.

SPEAKER_03 2:47:00

For sure, man. Stu is such a good dude. But this is one of my favorite dab towels, dude. I'm just like, this thing is like just nice terry cloth, like it's got a big carabiner on there. There we go. Like it, it's like a golf towel. Yeah, it really is like a golf towel. I'm gonna be golfing on July 28th in Michigan. I mentioned that earlier. I'm going to the mock technologies two-day event. Gonna do a little, yeah. I'm gonna try. Well, mostly I'll be driving a golf cart ripping dabs out of a Puffco. That'll be like you know, 75% of what's getting done. But every once in a while I'll swing a club and hit a little round ball on a little wooden T and uh probably say something like, Fuck, fuck. No, I'm not gonna take it too seriously. My dad did tell me the word fuck was invented for from the game golf, though. I remember him telling me that when I was a kid. He was like, Yeah, these golfers, they invented the word fuck. It it does like I don't know if you've ever golfed and hit a ball and like had it just go right like to the like cut hard and into the forest. But it it's like the best word to say right after a bad golf swing is is is the is the F bomb. It comes out so naturally, really.

SPEAKER_11 2:48:26

I try to golf, I'm I'm not the best. Um I'm I have bad form. Even with bowling, I have bad form. I have a bad back, so you have to like do all that when you bowl. Like my my body's not doing that shit, you know. No, and I I hit like uh like happy Gilmore. Oh, yeah, run up to it, just give it a slap shot.

SPEAKER_03 2:48:45

Yeah, I'm I'm bad. I'm bad at golf, dude. Happy Gilmore, man. I'll tell you. I enjoyed the second one, I loved the first one. I'm a fan of the Happy Gilmores. Yeah, the the second one, that's the one that came out like last year, right? Yeah, it was just fun, like he was just having fun with it, you know. You could kind of tell, like, to me, the way I took it was dude, I'm super successful, I can make this movie, I can invite like a million of my friends to come in and do cameos and just like you know, bring his whole family in. I think all his like his daughters and his wife are in that movie, all his friends. Seems like it's just like how fun would that be if you created a movie like Happy Gilmore, and then like 30 years later, you're like in a position to be like for a the world to want it. Like, I don't know, Netflix probably paid 40 million dollars for it or some ridiculous shit. I can only imagine. Yeah, but I wasn't mad at it, but I I can totally see that. I could totally see that. Yeah, I wasn't mad at it. I saw people that were mad at it, and I was like, dude, relax, like it's all good. It's just another movie. A hundred percent. Yeah. For the nostalgic, right? The first one, a lot of the scenes were filmed right up the road from my house, like where he fights Bob Barker, and they're rolling down. That's like 20 minutes from my house. That scene was filmed. That's dope. Yeah, no, it's awesome. Every time I drive to Whistler with a new person, I'd be like, see that green right there on the water. That is where Happy Gilmore and Bob Barker had their tussle. I was like, that's actually pretty fucking hilarious. In the meantime, you're like living around where every movie happened.

SPEAKER_10 2:50:28

Uh-huh. Yeah, something like that. A lot.

SPEAKER_11 2:50:33

Holy shit. But but but it's it's so, it's so, it's so like it's so it's it's everywhere that you don't even get to notice, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:50:40

Well, that's what I mean. Here it's not everywhere, yeah, at all. Yeah. 11 more minutes, maybe one more big fat dab for me. Gonna call it a day at 12 today and go and enjoy this day. No, I'm not. I'm doing tree work. I'm literally gonna be cutting up trees into little small pieces and trying to get it off and away from my property. I have so many trees that I need to like deal with right now. It's our trees are like a hundred to a hundred and fift tall. So when you like cut like one down, it's like it's an unbelievable amount of processing just to process the tree and get it away. It's uh like it's like a thousand pounds.

SPEAKER_07 2:51:26

Are you saving any for bonfire or for any for later?

SPEAKER_03 2:51:29

Or but but it's I have a lot of firewood saved up, probably enough for the entire winter next year. And so I could build another little spot that I could stack wood on. But if I do that, I'm gonna leave these. These are like probably about this big, and I've got them in like four foot cuts right now, and I'll probably leave them like that and cut them as I need them, store them like that, because holy shit, dude. But we cut we cut six behind my house just the other day, and so there's like 600 plus feet of like rounds that needs, yeah. Not to mention all the giant cedar branches that are like 20 plus feet each, and each way like you have a stump splitter or something like that, too. I have electric everything chainsaw, pole saw, fucking hand saw. I've uh I went hard on the commercial uh electric steel tools. So I yeah, I've uh and they all take the exact same battery. What I learned from living in my property, which is just uh over an acre, and it's in forest in the Pacific Northwest, is that I cannot buy residential tools. I need to buy commercial tools. This home like disintegrates residential tools. Like, if I buy a residential tool, like a leaf blower or whatever, and use it here, it'll just be like after like three months, it'll just be dead. I'll be like, what the fuck, dude? That thing was like a couple hundred bucks or whatever. So then I gotta buy the like eight hundred dollar one, and then it's like, yeah, this thing is like 190 mile an hour leaf blower. Fucking blow the bark off trees if you need to. Like it's it's uh yeah, it's insane. We have a big property. My wife and I care for it exclusively. Well, my son Tosh, I gotta shout him out as well because he does he processed the whole fucking tree last night and this morning at 5 a.m. And so thank you, Tosh. If you're watching, yeah, he's a beast, he's six foot five, big, huge muscle guy. Just like he won't he doesn't want to use the chainsaw. He uses this hinged, special hinged bolt cutter to like cut tree branches, and he can get around branches that are about that big, and he's just like oh crash. He's just like he's got he's got them all on the ground, and he I'm like, dude, you could do that way faster with a chainsaw. He's like, No, you can't. I'm like, dude, I promise you I can do that faster with a chainsaw. He's like, Yeah, maybe you can, but he's like, check this out, and he just starts cutting these pieces, and I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, dude, calm down, buddy. He's like, see, see, I'm like, just to fucking he loves to prove me wrong, like in the biggest like when he proves me wrong, he's stoked. So I was like, All right, yeah, you proved me wrong. Like you definitely can fucking do that, like fast. But we all have that one, friend, dude. He processed like a hundred bags of green waste by just doing this and clipping these big branches into small, like foot-long sections, and then tossing them into the green waste bags. It's utterly insane. I had here's a funny one though. I had about 50 of these green waste bags out on my boulevard to be picked up on Friday by our green waste truck. And I had two plants. A buddy of mine bought seeds from a company, Feminized Seeds. I won't say the company because I don't remember it or know it, but a lot of the plants had become males, were specifically male. And two of these really big deck plants that he gave me, not really big, but like four footers, they were going to be my bigger plants. They just popped male flowers the other day. So I cut both of those and I dropped them into a green waste bag. And then I put the green waste bag at my front boulevard with these weed plants just sticking out and seemingly still alive, because I had just cut them that morning. So I should have made a video of the face of the of the green waste guy that came in the morning because I'm sure when he saw that bag, he was like, What the fuck? This guy's just throwing away weed. I want to normalize weed to that level. Yeah, me too. Just where you could throw it away at the at the end of your your your driveway to the green waste people, just bags of it. Yeah, let's normalize growing weed right next to the rose bush in the front yard. Dude, I have my weed growing right next to the rose bush in the front yard. Funny, funny enough. That's how we do it. That's how we do it. That was exactly Exactly how we do it. Now, now, of course, as any rose gardener would, and I don't know if I actually oh yeah, here I got some. You gotta share your pictures of your roses. These are really my wife's roses, she takes care of them more than I do, but they're lovely. I've got an ocean view, she gets a real nice deep texture out of them. They have a really nice fragrant uh you know floral to them. This is like a prized, can't remember what it is, Austin Ross or some it's got some fancy name, this particular one. Deep colors, beautiful fucking roses. And then she's also got this this pink one that's down in our um down in the front of our driveway that's absolutely spectacular as well. This guy, I don't know what it is, but it is a winner. They're the size of like dinner plates, too, these roses. Oh wow. In my jardin. Yeah, dude. I've got the garden in front of the house, right? I've got the the whole thing, it's it doesn't like sometimes in a picture right now, it doesn't look like much, but all the plants are different kinds of plants that we've got in there, and from Japanese maples to rhododendrons to you know all sorts of cool shit. Hibiscus plants. Yeah, I got a nice hibiscus tree. Hell yeah. I got a pomegranate tree. Fuck yeah. I got a pear and a willow tree. I just put a gar uh a tiger eye um oh what the fuck is it? I always forget the name of this tree. Oh, what is the tiger eyes tree? I'll have to look it up because it I uh not hibiscus. I have that yellow hibiscus. I have a yellow hibiscus right now.

SPEAKER_11 2:57:50

Yeah, I have the regular one. Hamica. I I bought it for my tortoise because I ate the flowers supposedly, but he never cared.

SPEAKER_10 2:57:58

I put the flowers in front of him, he's just like, where's the tomatoes and apples you give me, bro? I'll try again though.

SPEAKER_03 2:58:06

Right.

SPEAKER_10 2:58:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 2:58:15

Yeah, I gotta crawl my ass to the garden, you know, make sure everything's water, make sure the chickens are fed, and then I'm trying to spend as much time with the family right now. They're on summer break, so oh that's nice. Balancing, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:58:27

Yeah, I could be in the garden all day, you know. Dude, easily. I could be just processing the trees that my buddy fell here for the next like five days. I have like 10 hour, five day, I have 50 hours of tree processing. But what I will do is I'll just go do an hour here, an hour there, and uh, it's summer, so it's a good time. If it was fall, the trees would just be getting rained on like crazy. And then we did some cutting the other day back there in the rain. It's not fun. The rain is penetrating here, it got us so fucking soaked, even in our rain gear, that it was like, I'm I'm done doing this right now. But uh yeah, the tree cutting the trees, the plants are so happy that I've I'm opened up my whole area to allow sun. You guys have no rain. We're in the we're in the Pacific Northwest. Yeah, we have rain. Water world. Yeah, we got the ocean, we got the the the snow-capped mountains that will melt till the end of August. Uh, and then we'll get uh some rain as well. So that way it rains for a week here, and I'm just like, ah, stop it.

SPEAKER_11 2:59:36

And it's not even heavy rain, like I'm like, it's so depressing. The the one week that it rains here because I have dogs and shit, and I'm just like putting up all these makeshift barriers. Now I got them all dog houses, I don't have to do that shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:59:48

Listen, the only good thing about rain is when you're high enough up of the mountain and it turns to snow, and you know and you enjoy playing on snow, whether with skis or snowmobiles or snowboards or whatever it is, all of the above for me. I just fucking love playing on snow. So that's how I don't get depressed all winter long when it's raining. When I see it raining and it's like I'm like, holy fuck, it's downpouring. I just kind of smile because I'm like, fuck, it's gonna be like a 40 centimeter day on top of the mountain tomorrow. Like, holy shit. It's like a gift from God. More, it's more of a gift from God than anything I can imagine a gift from God being, because it literally comes from the sky, the place where most people think God lives. I'm dead. You're out of control, bro. Yeah, dude, it's a gift from God. You can go a long time without food, but see how long you can go without water.

SPEAKER_09 3:00:50

No doubt.

SPEAKER_03 3:00:51

Yeah, like it's surprising, it's very short. You die very quickly without water, but you can live for months without what without food. It's uh, and then of course, you can only live for a couple minutes without air. Air is the big one, it even trumps uh it it trumps water. Sorry for using that term, eti. I know you you said you didn't like those guys, but uh thanks for the invite, Mark. Yeah, thanks for coming out, dude, and sharing those stories and sharing those genetics and just being an all-around fucking good dude, man. I appreciate you. Nice hanging with you, Caleb, Etienne.

SPEAKER_07 3:01:26

Absolutely, dog. Absolutely nice to finally hang with you. Well, you've been a fan for a while, so I appreciate you what you're doing, as well as you know, your point of view. So keep on doing what you're doing, you're appreciated. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:01:40

I want to thank uh thank Puffco and the press club for sponsoring today, and thank Bingo Lombardi for holding it down in the chat. Thank the Dragonfly Earth Medicine, Kelly and Josh for coming in and sharing their adventures. And uh, yeah, thanks to Edgar and Caleb and Etienne. We will see you next week. Hopefully, I've got a plan to bring my uh well, I should I'm my friend. I met him once in my life, really, uh uh Lee Jaffey. And Lee uh was connected to the Wailers. He was the one that took the infamous photo of Peter Tosh in the field that went on the cover of Legalize It. I think he also produced the album Legalize It, super deep in the culture of the Whalers, of Peter Tosh, photography. Uh, super cool dude. We're hoping on having him uh next Sunday or the Sunday after to come on and share some stories. In the meantime, if you've got any ideas for us, hit us up, bcbubble man at iCloud.com. We will see you next time. May the full melt. Seriously, bless your bowl sooner than later. Peace out, everybody. Peace out, everybody.