See'rs, Be-ers, Knowers and Doers
See'rs, Be-ers, Knowers and Doers
How Our We Can Shift With Our Intuition Over Our Lives
I spoke with Senka Pazman on Oct 25, 2022. It was great to speak about how we can evolve in our way we participate with our intuition. We talk about travelling and how when we are young we know what lights us up. We also spoke about some of the learnings that come with following our intuition that may not be apparent when we first have our intuition come to us.
Bio
Senka Pazman is 37 years old and originally from Croatia.
She has dedicated her life to getting to know herself better, and it turned out that happened mostly through horses and travels with the help of some of the amazing people she met along the way.
Welcome to Seers Beers, knowers and Doers. A podcast about intuition. Do you know what that is? Intuition to me is that inner sense for knowing that something is true. And yet I have no proof. But there's so many definitions and there's so many ways it can come. I'm looking to bring together and share with you some amazing guests. You have some amazing life stories and also some insights into how intuition can come, and I'm looking to gather those crows in the trees. I hope you're one of them. I hope that this podcast inspires you to be more connected to your intuition and I hope that by doing that we make the world a better place. Thanks for coming on this journey with me.
Speaker 2:Before we get started today, I would love to share some tools with you to help with stress and feeling overwhelmed, especially for the energetically sensitive person. Feel free to go to my store on my website@www.healingvitality.ca. Thanks so much for coming on this journey with me.
Speaker 1:So I'm super excited today to be speaking with another person that I've known Dotted line because I've known her sister for quite some time now. But I just actually spoke to in person before this call and we just talked for literally over an hour.<laugh>, thank you so much Sun Ka Paman for joining me today. I am so glad that we met and I can't wait to show you with the world. Hi
Speaker 3:Heather. Thanks a lot for hearing me. This is very exciting.<laugh>, let's see what, what comes out of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so can you tell the world a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 3:So, I am 37 right now and I grew up and I still am right now in Croatia, which is uh, for everybody who doesn't know a little country in Europe, uh, sitting on the energetic sea. It's very beautiful<laugh>. I think what defines me quite a bit is traveling. And it's funny cause in high school still where, I mean I literally haven't gone many places when I was in high school or by the time I was in high school, but I knew I would travel the world. I just knew it. I didn't know how. I just knew it would happen. And when I was senior in the high school, I actually went to America and I spent one year with the host family and I think that's, that's how it started. But, um, otherwise my travels have been connected or linked to horses, which is another big passion of mine. So that, that was actually how I traveled the world. I would go places either working with horses or just actually was mostly working with horses. And so I actually did get to travel the world<laugh>. There's still many places I would like to see, but I'm pretty happy with what has already happened and the places I've been.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:Two big things. Traveling and horses,
Speaker 1:<laugh> and what people,
Speaker 3:And especially combined<laugh>.
Speaker 1:Yeah. What people may not know is that you haven't grown up with horses per se, like people would think about growing up with horses.
Speaker 3:No, no, my family never had horses or anything and I actually have a twin sister and we were told she also really loves horses and we were told that we will be able to start riding when we are able to go to the capital city on our own, which was pretty impossible at the time cuz you would have to get on like two buses or three and it would take like an hour and a half. So when we were small that was not an option. So I only started riding when I was 12 years old, which was way too late in my eyes,<laugh>. But, um, I think in the end everything turned out as it was supposed to be, but you know, you're kinda impatient when you're a little child. You want things to happen right now regarding to that, I I wouldn't change anything even if I could. I think it was good timing when it happened.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's just little children that get impatient cuz I know I can be impatient.<laugh>.
Speaker 3:Yeah, me too
Speaker 1:Actually. So traveling, were you usually by yourself when you were traveling?
Speaker 3:I was by myself mostly. And it, it wasn't all even related to horses. I went, I did a few scholarships when I was in the Uni University. I spent a year in Slovenia, which is just a neighboring country but still it's not home. And the biggest traveling, quote unquote was the trip to Africa where I was with my sister, which was pretty cool. We were there together for three years so I didn't go by myself, which was good cuz I probably wouldn't have made it in Africa by myself like that. So it was great to have her there with me. But all the other ones was just me. Yeah. Kind of breaking the ice in Mexico or on ranch in America and so on. Yeah,
Speaker 1:So traveling as a young woman in the world, different places, not knowing people, I would assume that um, there would be stories that we might get into later in this podcast. Cause that to me has to have a lot of intuition involved cuz it's a world out there and not everybody travels by themselves. And to have traveled to so many different places, I would think that intuitively you would be drawn to the place potentially. And then when you're actually on the ground intuitively to, to surrounding yourself in an environment that's safe and happy and healthy for you, I think would also involve intuition. But I don't know. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3:I, I would a hundred percent agree and it was really interesting cause wherever I went, the range in Mexico was incredibly remote and it was a working cattle ranch, but they also have guests. But of course I didn't know any of that. I just wanted to ride horses around. But every single place I went I met a friend for life, which is incredible. Like even in the most remote places like that ranch in Mexico, there was a girl from America, her name was Anna. And we clicked right away. Like we had the most amazing time on range in Mexico. So at some point I realized I'm very good at, I have something open in me that just attracts nice people into my life. I don't struggle with friendships at all that something I'm very good at. So, and it just, I see it through, you know, real situations like that. But, but, and then in America I also met, I met Megan and I was her maid of honor this year on her wedding in Tennessee. So I think it that, that is pretty cool that I actually do create to safe environment for me when I go somewhere. And that does make it easy,
Speaker 1:Like for sure cuz yeah, I've, there's one other podcast guest on here who traveled a lot, um, Renee Purdy and she traveled to South America by herself and Central America by herself. And again, i I was just kind of, I'm in awe of that level of adventure because yeah, there's a spiny sense that to me has to be so honed and it's, it's life skills that you pick up when you go to other countries too. Absolutely. Like there's so much learning and widening of the, of the awareness and perspective of things. I would assume the more you get exposed to other cultures.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And the thing in Africa would happen was it was, um, a farm basically they call a farm everything. Either if they just breed animals or they actually, you know, plant things in the ground.<laugh>, it's, it's just always a farm. And we were, my sister and I, we were convinced we came there to learn about horses because, and it was really challenging cuz this particular farm had wild horses and you know, you're never ready to train wild horse basically<laugh>. So, and we were convinced we came here to learn about horses and one year into the whole story and we just, we kind of agreed we not, I mean the learning about horses part is, is a side thing. What we are actually here for is to learn about ourselves. Like how to deal with different situations, different people, how to like even, you know, negotiate business, not even business deals but you know, set boundaries to people, that kind of stuff. And that was kind of an eye opening<laugh> thing for us that we're not really there for horses. We're there to, you know, kind of advance ourselves. Yeah, it was interesting the situations we got ourselves in. Yeah. Learned different things about us or you know, me, but, um, that that was very eye-opening when we realized, oh we are not here to learn about horses
Speaker 1:<laugh>. Yeah. It's amazing how we will be led places based on our passions and then in hindsight go, oh my gosh, there's so much more to this<laugh>.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's exactly what
Speaker 1:Happened.<laugh>. Yeah. Wow. So what's been your favorite place to be?
Speaker 3:I think Africa was, they, it's a perfect, I like when it's an English speaking country because then I, I can just make friends and you can, you know, fit into the community better when you actually speak the language. So that was great. Plus they enjoy the moment and that is what we from Europe kind of forgot or um, I didn't even know. We definitely forgot how to enjoy the moment and relax and not do everything in a rush, even in the store. And, and it was annoying me at first when I did come to Africa. It was annoying me how slow they were. But then as the time passes you kind start doing things their way, which is actually the way more normal way. Just not to be in the rush, take things slowly, take time to go and watch the sunset, which is an actual thing in Africa at least. I was in Namibia, so just people, you know, it's evening and we make plans to go watch the sunset with a little drink and it's amazing. It's so amazing and everybody is outdoorsy. They're, they're really, they're connected to nature in this sense, which was super cool for me cuz I love nature. But you know, growing up where I did, that's not really, people don't emphasize that enough here.<laugh> and I really, I I love that. I love the lifestyle and it's, it's rough as well cuz you're so dependent on this nature and the nature there, the environment is the desert. And so even the people with a lot of money can't really be, how can I say? They can't really be arrogant unlike where I'm grew up because you can have all the money in the world if it doesn't rain, you know, what are you gonna do<laugh>, right? So, so they're still humble and it was, it was great to see something that different culturally from the environment where I grew up in.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I would literally<laugh>, I would recommend everybody to go to Africa. Really? It's so real. It's real. And you know, like for the animals and people, you know, you could die so easily you could just die. And that there's something real about it makes it real.
Speaker 1:It's like they got their priority straight.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Speaker 1:That's a wake up call that I think is trying to resonate around the world these days. I think that's been, for some people, one of the blessings of the last two or three years is waking up more to what makes'em happy or mm-hmm<affirmative> or being in the moment or um, setting their priorities straight. I think there's been an interesting shift in people creating boundaries that work for them or being able to say no more. Like there's been an interesting shift in some of my clients that, that the last couple of years has brought about that I don't know would've happened without the last couple of years mm-hmm.<affirmative> for them. Yeah. So, yeah. But I mean, on the other end of that scale, the last couple of years have shattered some, some people with ptsd, so it's mm-hmm<affirmative>, it's curious how, how the environment or the elements, how the world around us can, can influence us in those two different ways. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And I wonder if it is the people that connect and this is just flow outta my mouth, so I don't know what I'm gonna just get outta the way. Um, I wonder if it is the people who are connected to nature and to their intuition that have the ability to survive the turbulence better than the people who are not connected to nature and to their intuition. It's, it's just curious cuz you know, you're talking about living in a country that you could die. And so that awareness just popped based on your comments there, seka of on wonder, wondering if mm-hmm.<affirmative> if this can inspire anybody to start listening to their intuition and, and connect to nature to come out of their spiral if they're spiraling. Hmm. Yeah. Lessons from Africa. Interesting. Yeah. So your love of horses and your love of travel, of giving you a whole bunch of experiences, um, but you're currently in a holding pattern based on what I understand from our conversations. Um, what do you think the value of pausing is when you're put in a holding pattern like that? Is there a value to it?
Speaker 3:Well, for me, I needed to regroup basically because, um, after Africa, cuz I didn't wanna let the horses go, I thought this is what I'm here for on this world. This is what I love the most. It doesn't feel like a job really. I would do this for free, you know, and that's how I kind of know maybe that this is what I'm supposed to be doing. If you love something that much that you would do it for free. Also, the dance, the downside of that, people actually take advantage of you,<laugh>, or they did of me, we talked, I I definitely manifested that from whatever reason, but they do take advantage of you and or they did of me. And after Africa, I, we decided to leave Africa because we lived in an absolute desert, which was like 600, 700 kilometers away from civilization. And so that, that got quite hard. And also the horse stuff, the owner of the second place where we worked in Africa, he was not a horse person. So there were some clashes of the ideas of where, where we should take the whole operation in what direction. And so we decided it was just time to go home and do something else, but not even going home. We, we wanted, or I wanted to continue doing stuff with horses. And so I came back to Europe and then it, the reality kind of hit me<laugh> and there's something called horse industry in the horse world and you cannot have industry, industry and horses in the same sentence. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Cause it's an animal with feelings and there's no industry to that. Like, no. So the reality kind of hit me that a lot of people just, you know, have horses to make money off of them and not without taking care of them in the way that the horse needs. And so I think I did stuff around Europe for maybe one and a half more years or two even. And then I just, that that's not what I wanted to do. I didn't wanna, you know, be in a competition, polo barn watching polo horses compete. And it's, it's rough. It's rough. I didn't want any of that. And so I, I was emotionally, physically tired because it's a physical job, so you're actually like, you're physically tired and I was emotionally tired as well and I just, I needed my friends, I needed the known environment of this country. And, and I also realized now I could go and look for some other jobs around the world with horses, but I just had no capacity for that anymore. And I also realized, I realized that I kind of wanted an experience of an office job. I've never had an office job until that point. And I thought that would be maybe a cool experience just to have one and to see what that's like just for experience sake. Nothing more. Not to build a career out of it or anything. And so I came back home and that was two years ago,<laugh>. And I did have an office job for one year. And now for the past year I've been writing articles for websites for a guy from England. So it's a remote job, which allows me a lot of freedom, which is great. But, uh, I needed to charge my batteries, really, that's what I needed. And now I have, now I have, so I, I'm starting to feel this need to go back to the horse world again. Yeah. I won't do anything hasty or anything, but I will definitely start looking for things. Cause now I'm, I'm fully charged now emotionally. So I think I can just go back to what I actually loved doing and what makes sense to me.
Speaker 1:What I witnessed and what you're saying is that there's been a pendulum swing, like it went too far one way and you had to go exactly opposite and then you're gonna find yourself exactly
Speaker 3:What happened. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Interesting. I think a lot of people can resonate with that actually. I think we, we've all had those pendulum swings and, and sometimes we don't allow ourselves the, uh, the opposite. We, we stop in the middle and we think we found center. But you can't find center without having the other side, I don't think. Um
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Mm-hmm<laugh>.<laugh>. That's so well said. Very well said.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna shift gears a little bit here. Seka. What or how do you get your intuition? How does it come to you?
Speaker 3:Um, I think how it comes to me, I just get this really, I get an idea, but which is really strong. And then I just feel like I need to follow that before I would just kind of do it. But now the older, I guess<laugh>, even though I promised myself years ago, I would like listen to myself more, not less, but the older I get the kind of, the fear kind of kicks in a bit more as well because it's, it usually is a life changing. The action I need to take to get, kind of make this idea a reality is life changing. And so I kinda<laugh> I think I take longer to actually take action now than I did before.
Speaker 1:Well it's interesting you say that because I've recently with another podcast guest, Kelly Marie, I've been on a kind of master mindy group dynamic thing called quantum evolution. And in that one of the things she's talking about is human design. And in that there are people that need to pause, um, to allow emotion to settle before they take action on their knowing or on their intuition. And I'm one of those people and I, I get so silly, hyper like excited puppy dog energy when I get an I, like I just go ballistic. And people around me have witnessed the puppy dog energy. People have had conversations with me, I've witnessed the puppy dog energy. And when I came across this waiting to respond and this dynamic of needing to allow the waves of the emotions to go down before actually making the decision and, and in my design, the longer I wait, the sweeter it gets, it's curious that you're in this place and thinking that it's possibly fear that's causing the pause. Pick your interest on checking out what your human design is and see, because there is many ways that all this intuition comes to us, but how we act on it doesn't necessarily have to be immediate. And in some people's worlds it should not be immediate<laugh> in order for the best outcome to come to play. So you talk about all the life lessons that you got in Africa and how it was like literally helping you find yourself and was difficult to the point where you needed three years to recover from it. I needed years to recover from my own most fun thing on the planet, which was an intuitive kids camp. But I burned my candle out doing that cuz there was so much that went into this thing. So much passion behind it. But did I pause before doing it? No. Did I wait to do well? What's the next step I need to do? Yes, yes, yes. I did all that and I just did one step at a time. But, but the interesting thing is, is this pendulum swing that you're talking about and, and this fact that you're, you're waiting on stuff, it would, would be really curious to check out your human design and see whether that actually is beneficial for you to wait. And it may not be fear that is in the way. It could just be that you are in this pendulum centering, you're realizing that, you know, there is a sweet spot. Cuz I'm going through a thing right now where I'm, I'm looking to make this huge commitment in my world that I don't take lightly. And I've known about it since July, August and we're now heading into November and I have not acted on it yet. And I'm witnessing it from this human design place. And I'm like, okay, well what else is possible? Perhaps this is the way, but anyways, I'm just bringing that up because I think like we can misidentify intuition, we possibly can misidentify the purpose behind pauses sometimes. And that's just a new awareness for me in the last two, three months, four months.
Speaker 3:Wow. This is so cool. Thank you for this. Thank you. Wow. This, this kind of blew my mind really<laugh>. Cause I also get super excited. I have, I have an idea and I get super excited and then I like, even now I acted right on it because like a week, no, maybe not a week ago, I think it was, was it, I think it was two weeks ago, I just woke up one day and I thought, I can't do this anymore. I can't stare at the screen for eight hours. I can't sit down or be seated for so long in a day. And I just thought I need, I need to change. And that day I picked up a phone, I called a friend who's got a friend in Bulgaria, they own a stable. And I told him, ask these people, do they need help or whatever he did. Like, it all just started happening really fast. And this past week actually went to Bulgaria to check out the place. And I, like now I'm, I feel like everything just moving way too fast. But then I'm thinking if it was that easy, like cuz it was super easy, like this whole thing was easy. I'm thinking maybe this is the sign that I should actually go there. Like relocate quit this job. My goodness, my goodness.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, hey, this is for more than just you because we all, there are lots of happy puppy dogs out there,<laugh>. And, and sometimes yes, the easy way is totally the way, but if there's, if there's an element of hesitation in the interaction in that, in those waves of excitement, then literally the pendulum centering, it's the waves of excitement and doubt and all that stuff that we've gotta wait out and then sit back and go, okay, based on hu human design, again, I'm not an expert, I just playing with it in my own life. Then you sit with it and go, okay, does this, is this really the thing? Is this the the thing or was this just the spark plug that needed me to get out of the funk I was in to attract the real thing? Like who knows? Right?
Speaker 3:Yeah. But that's exactly what I was thinking. Maybe this wasn't meant to be at all. Maybe it was just something that came to my mind to kind of, you know, kick me in the butt to start moving into a different direction that will suit me more than staring at the screen,
Speaker 1:You know?
Speaker 3:Oh, I get that.
Speaker 1:Are there other ways that your intuition shows up?
Speaker 3:Yes. I would say I think it's related to people. And this has happened a lot. A lot. And I told myself I wouldn't do this again and then I do it again and then I get annoyed with myself and so on. So, you know, when you meet someone and you get this impression of them mm-hmm.<affirmative> and you like them, you don't like them, whatever. And then if I don't like them, then I say to myself, don't be like that. You, you don't even know them. Give them a chance, yada, yada. And then I give them a chance. And it turns out, you know, not very well<laugh>. And I told myself, you know, you don't have to like everybody, you know, you, you, you're just, you're always basically right about meeting. When you meet someone, you, you are always right. Stop overthinking it. It's fine if you don't like someone, that doesn't mean you're a bad person. Doesn't mean they're a bad person. It just means that you are not a, you know, a match with this person. That's all it means.
Speaker 1:<laugh>. How many people need to hear that seka? Oh my god.<laugh>, did everybody hear that? Rewind that and play that again. Cause I'm much older than you and I need to hear that. Right? It's
Speaker 3:So true. Like, it's like you're not supposed to have a negative thought about someone you don't know, but it's not, I mean, negative is not a bad thing, it's just the opposite of positive. It's, there's no positive without negative anyway, is there, but yeah, I'm working on it. This is work in progress
Speaker 1:That brings up all the conditionings that we have about words, right? And all the, the ways we should act as a child and you know, you don't wanna hug the person who's a family friend or whatever, but you're made to hug the person who's a family friend and all those things, right? Yes. So it's called acting appropriately and that is a training to not listen to your intuition. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So, and I mean I'm just using that as a blanket example, but mm-hmm.<affirmative>, there's lots of ways we're trained not to. So you're bringing up a really, really, really, really common and excellent point and way to get into it that is really helpful for a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 3:That's great.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.<affirmative> and, and I don't think it's been brought up yet in like three years. Yeah. Going in the fourth year. So it's important.
Speaker 3:Oh wow. This has been going on for a while. Good job Heather. Good
Speaker 1:Job. Yeah. Well this has been fantastic, Seka. I thank you so much for everything you've shared with us today and I'm really excited to share you with the world cuz I think there's a lot of excellent wisdom and your observations about how intuition can show up and, and your travels and horses when, when neither of those were present as you were growing up, you just knew. I think that's another way your intuition shows up.
Speaker 3:I think you're right,<laugh>. Thanks a lot for hammering me. This was very exciting. And yeah, good luck with the future guests on the podcast.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Yeah, I think we'll be talking again.
Speaker 3:Cool. Thank you. That'd be great.
Speaker 1:Awesome. All right, well until next time.
Speaker 3:Until next time, Heather. Bye bye.
Speaker 1:Bye. Thank you so much for giving us your time today. We truly appreciate our guests for sharing their stories and insights about how intuition has impacted their lives. And I'm so grateful for Peter Trainor for his time in giving me this original music. It's now your turn. It's your turn to listen and act on your own intuition and help make the world a better place. Until next time, keep seeing, being, knowing, and doing. If you like this podcast, please share it. If you wanna find others like it, go to www.healingvitality.ca or wherever you would find your podcasts. We would love to have you join us on this journey. Come be a crow sitting in the tree, be part of our community.