Hey Church, welcome to the PackBible Podcast with Glenn Power, a weekly podcast to help guide and encourage you as you read through the Bible this fall. So grab the Bible reading plan from the show notes, and let's jump in.



 I heard faith's gone out of fashion, Least according to my old friends. Guess I've never been one to keep up with the modern trends,



 because maybe I'm out of style, but whether or not that's true, when I look at this stars, all I see is you. Hey! Oh my goodness. It's too much. I know, I'm trying to get the right balance here, okay?



 Hey?



 That was such a question, like hello?



 Hi, what are you doing here?



 Welcome.



 Dang it. Okay. Okay. Hey everyone, this is the... Dang it. Dang it, now it sounded like us.



 Holding my breath or constipating.



 Hey everyone. Okay. Man, okay. We can do this guys. I can do this. This is really not your fault at all. No. Let's just be honest here. Okay.



 Hey everyone, this is the Radiant Pack Bible Podcast. We are on week five, I think, and this is the Young Adults edition of the Radiant Pack Bible Podcast. Gosh, this is a lot of words in that name, Radiant Pack Bible Podcast. There are. Maybe shorten it. Make an acronym? Just the... RP... RPBP?



 That acronym is not working. That's not good. Was that right? Did I even get the letters right?



 RP... RB... Okay.



 Sounds like a style of music. There's rap and then there's RB... Yeah, RBBP.



 You're changing the letters.



 RPBP.



 It's RPBP. Yeah, there you go. Okay. Okay, so this is RBBP week five, Young Adults edition.



 So we have the illustrious Micah Stippick. Illustrious Stippick. We're going to be interviewing Micah.



 Micah is less than 23 years old. That is true.



 How old are you exactly? I am 19. 19, yeah, less than 23.



 So Micah was part of our gap year program last year.



 So me and Micah were around each other like every day for like a year straight.



 And I never got tired of him. Wow. Yeah, it was... Good for you. Yeah, I loved it. Some good work there, Glenn. Yep, totally.



 Micah is smart and Micah is funny. What else is Micah? Emily? He has a great sense of style. Oh my gosh. He's like wearing pink pants right now. It's great. Yeah, totally. Only wearing three different shades of red. Only person that can pull it off that loop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I asked him about it when he walked in. It was just... It stood out so much. And then we also have Emily Miller.



 I didn't get illustrious in front of my name. Yeah, the... Magnificent. The Magnificent. The Magnificent. I like that one. Yeah, yeah, there you go. The Magnificent.



 The Intriguing Emily Miller. Intriguing. Intriguing.



 Emily is also younger than 23. I'm 20, yes. 20, yeah. I'm older than him though. Yeah, she's older. I'll take that. And you'll be able to tell that through this podcast.



 Just joking. Just joking, Micah.



 So Emily's 20.



 Emily is also brilliant.



 She loves the word.



 She has a compassionate heart, a merciful heart. I'm trying to introduce you guys.



 Thank you. Anyway, Emily and Micah are the best. They're some of my favorites.



 We are interviewing Micah this round. And like we always start off.



 Like we always start off. I forgot to set the time.



 Micah, what's something about you that most people don't know? Okay, well, I was thinking for literally hours about this question. I don't really know. So I'm just going to tell a story for my childhood because I don't tell stories from my childhood. My childhood nickname was Chip because one day I chipped my tooth because I slipped and fell after dancing in the bathtub. That's so sad. It's not that sad. A heart jerker. No, it was like I think I was happy about it. I don't really remember it. That you slipped or that that was your nickname? Well, I was doing it because I was dancing, you know? And so I just had the joy of David upon me, you know?



 So you were dancing, you chipped your tooth.



 And from then on people called you Chip? My family, you know. Okay, and you liked that? You know, I was fine with it. Okay, you liked the attention on your chipped tooth? Well, I didn't really think about it. I was just like, yep, that's my... Okay, you just went with it. Yeah, I didn't think twice. Okay, that's great. I love it. Okay, let's get into the Bible. So as you guys know, these podcasts are...



 We're giving them alongside your Bible reading plan in your packs or you're free to listen to these if you're not in the pack as well. But we talk about the passages that you're going to read this upcoming week. So I have my guests read the passages ahead of time. And we talk about some things that stood out to them, some questions that they had. And hopefully it helps you guys, hopefully it encourages you as you're reading. So Micah, let's start off with something that was highlighted to you. You were reading the beginning of Luke and Exodus 20 through 24. No, 21 through 25. Okay. And then some Psalms in there. Yeah. Yeah.



 I think it was 20 through 24. That's why I got it mixed up. Okay. Psalms in Exodus. Yeah, yeah. Where I still have it mixed up. Okay. Thanks for reading the portion ahead of time. Thanks for reading it all last night. Yep. Yeah. I actually, it was all yesterday. All yesterday? It was all yesterday, but not just at night. Yeah. Thanks for doing that. Typical college student. He makes it better though. He didn't do it at night. That's true. I had a pencil in my hand. It was... Yeah. It was better. Yeah, it's great.



 What was something that was highlighted to you as you read? Well, I was really drawn to the beginning of Luke for several reasons. Probably two things.



 Just that, first of all, what a sick entrance for Jesus. I mean, things going on. And you mean sick like the way the cool kids say it. Yeah, yeah. It's lit. Yeah, it's lit. Yeah. What was so lit about it?



 Just that, did he hear John as that companion, sort of like also had a cool entrance? Yeah. I like Luke emphasizing how sick of an entrance John made because John's all about pointing to Jesus. So it's like, you think John's sick, you know, you should just look at this Jesus guy. Yeah. This is feeling very young adults. This is... This is... But it's not bad. But people have been saying sick for a while. Like even some old people say sick. I don't know. Yeah.



 That's the past one. There's new words coming up. It's a new trend. What is it? Yeah, zibbity bibbity. Zibbity bibbity? That sounds like... What are the Gen Z? That's Cinderella, bibbity bobbity boob. Yeah, it does. Anyway, we want to talk about the Gen Z slang words. So you like Jesus and John's entrance. Yes. And I also like the story of Jesus at the temple when he's young. The reason being... When he's 12. He actually listens to the other teachers and stuff. It said that he listened and asked questions, which I feel like I need a little more dose of that in my life, you know. I kind of don't always listen to people. Sometimes I cut them off. You know, if Jesus can do it, I probably can do it too. Yeah. Even Jesus was listening. Uh-huh. I wanted to read that verse. That's Luke 2.



 And Jesus and his family, they go to Jerusalem for one of the feasts.



 And verse 46. Yeah. After three days, they found him in the temple court sitting among the teachers listening to them and asking them questions.



 Next it says, "Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers." So it sounds like he's doing a little bit of both. He's listening. He's asking them questions.



 But even probably his questions were probably so profound that they could tell that there's a lot of understanding behind it.



 Anyway, I love that. Sort of weird that his parents lost him for so many days. Yeah. But I guess that happened more often back then. It's a big family, it seems. Yeah. Well, that's cool.



 What were some questions that you had as you read through these books? You know, quite a few.



 The story of the naming of John the Baptist, I'm just wondering, his family seems so content on naming him after whatever the priest's name was. Yeah, Zechariah. Zechariah, yeah. You know, why is it so important that he be named that versus John or why John versus that? Yeah.



 And why does it seem like such a controversy? It feels like it should have been an easier deal. Yeah. Like they were so shocked when he said he was going to name him John. Yeah. Why was it so shocking? Yeah. I think it was a custom to name the son after the father.



 But that didn't happen all the time. I mean, we have lots of families in the Bible around that time where the son has a different name.



 But it was one of the customs. And I think in this case, it was just it was expected. You know, this is the normal thing to name the son after the dad. And I'm assuming that John was not one of the family names. So if the son wasn't named after the dad, at least he'd be named after a grandpa or an uncle or someone else in the genealogy. And so it sounds like John was just something out of left field.



 It makes it more more divine in a sense, because I mean, this this was the name that God wanted. It didn't matter if it was a family name. This is the name that God wanted. So it highlights just the divine nature, I think, of John's birth and the divine nature of John's birth points to the divine nature of Jesus's birth. So it's it's all connected.



 But that's a good question.



 What were some other interesting things that came up as you read?



 Well, I found it very interesting.



 Just the mention of any time anyone was doing anything related to the birth of these two children, you know, it was like suddenly they're filled with the Holy Spirit. Yeah. You know, like no one even got by saying, oh, this is a good thing without, according to Luke, being filled with the Holy Spirit. Yeah. I mean, what are your what are your thoughts on that going on? Why they're all filled with the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Well, I do know that this is one of the themes of the book of Luke is is the Holy Spirit. So there's you're going to find more more references to the Holy Spirit in Luke than either in any of the other gospels.



 So I think that's part of it. I think part of it is also it's a it's a divine endorsement. You know, it's an endorsement of what's happening. This is not just an interesting or unique childbirth. This is something that that God was orchestrating and planning because of a sovereign storyline. I mean, this is the storyline that the Jews had been waiting for for thousands of years for the birth of the Messiah. I mean, even longer than that, this is this is the birth of the Messiah who had crushed the serpent's head that was prophesied in Genesis three. And so I think every time somebody is filled with the Holy Spirit, it's it's God putting their hand on them like I'm in the midst of this. I'm planning this and I'm and I'm endorsing this. And so we see them singing prophetic songs and filled with joy and prophesying. Yeah, that was a new one. You didn't tell me that question ahead of time.



 Yeah, yeah. You're just trying to stump you. That's our game. Yeah, that's like we're going to get going. Yeah, totally. I asked just so you guys know who are listening. I asked for the questions ahead of time, but they're throwing new ones at me. So yeah, yeah, I like curveballs. Yeah, that's good. Let's do some other ones. We have we have a few more minutes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.



 And this one's going to something I consider a little more controversial, you know, okay, a little bit of a hot topic here. But I feel like some of this preaching of John the Baptist feels like it would be controversial in our time.



 Like if I went around and told everyone, hey, anyone that has two cloaks should give one cloak to the guy that has no cloaks. It feels like I'd be like, maybe it feels like maybe I'd be condemned for being like, well, that's not individualistic enough. Everyone needs to fend for themselves. Yeah, like it's a little socialisty or like, you know, whatever. So how do we grapple with with those ideas that are present? Obviously today. Sure. With like this teaching then I mean, what's the difference in context and how do you relate it to? Yeah, totally. Yeah, like the political bent to the question. It's a good question. This political moment right now.



 Is it, is it, this probably sounds more confrontational than I mean it.



 This is just the way it's, it's coming out in my brain. Is it socialist to share with somebody?



 I suppose not.



 Is it, is it socialist to, to give money to somebody in need?



 I don't, yeah, I don't think so. No. No.



 I think that's really more the heart of what, what John's saying. So yeah, and here's an example. This is from Luke three.



 This is what Mike is referring to.



 So Luke is sorry, not John is preaching. He's preaching repentance.



 He's telling them that merely being a Jew is not enough to be saved. You have to repent and put your faith in God.



 And the crowd asks, well, well, what do we do then? You know, this, this fiery message of repentance and faith. And John answers, this is Luke three verse 11. He says anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none and anyone who has food should do the same. And so, so John's not trying to organize a community wide or country wide system where everyone puts all of their money in a pot and then some person with power distributes it. That's more what socialism is, is it's a top down system where the people in power actually get to decide who gets what and it's their version of equality. You know, they try to decide, okay, we actually own all of the money or all the resources ourselves, and we're going to try to force equality on the people by, okay, you get five shares, you get five shares, you get five shares. What John is actually saying is something that Christians should be doing, which is live generously.



 It's a rather than top down, which is socialism or governmental system. This is just a grassroots movement. This is from the bottom up. This is one person at a time when you see somebody who's in need, do something about it. You know, this is, this is the book of James in the New Testament. Hey, if you see somebody that is lacking in resources, don't just say, God bless you, do something about it. Give them some food, give them some money, help them in some way. So that's what John's saying here.



 He tells people to share like we just read, verse 12 says, even tax collectors came to be baptized teacher. They said, what should we do? Don't collect any more than you are required to, he told them. So he's saying, be honest at your job. That's what it means to live as a disciple. It means you live with integrity.



 He goes on, the soldiers asked, and what should we do? He replied, don't extort money and don't accuse people falsely, be content with your pay. So again, these are, these are things that are applicable to all disciples of Jesus. Live with integrity, live in truth, live, live with justly as much as you can.



 Does that make sense? Yeah, it does make sense. That's good, Glenn. Yeah. Thanks, Micah.



 What else we have? We have probably time for one more.



 Okay, yeah. So just to jump back to the Old Testament here in Exodus, just started my reading and I'm noticing a lot of laws and stuff that feels like I don't necessarily do all this stuff. Like when my friend tells me to not serve God, I don't kill him, you know? Yeah. Well, anyways, my overall question here, I guess, is like, how do I distinguish these laws?



 What's the good system for like, well, what applies to us and what does not apply to us? And what's like a good idea and what's like required and what's like allowed? And, you know, how do I, how do I determine that? Yeah. Yeah. That's good because it is hard.



 We want to be people that read the Bible and we believe that every chapter is inspired and we find ourselves reading through these big portions that sometimes seem weird or irrelevant. You know, why are we reading a whole chapter about slavery? You know, it's, it's... Why do I need to know which cow to kill for which sins? Yeah, exactly. There's this sacrificial system and all of its complications.



 So this is really huge and I think it's going to be helpful as people read through what, what, how are we supposed to take these laws? How much of it is relevant to us?



 I think there's a simple answer and then there's a more complicated answer. So I'm going to give the simple answer and I'll maybe just hint, like give a headline to the more complicated one. But really that one would take a lot of time.



 The simple answer is that whatever laws or commands are repeated in the New Testament are binding upon disciples of Jesus.



 I mean, that sound, that may sound obvious, but it's, it's actually a, it's the most simple and helpful way that I can think of. And I think you're going to cover your bases if you do that. If you, here's an example, the 10 commandments. Okay. Nine of them are repeated in the New Testament. Not all 10 of them are. And which, which one is not repeated? You guys, you guys went through gap year. You guys should know.



 Yes. Remember the Sabbath. Yes. Yes. Yes. I was afraid one of you would say murder.



 Murder. Okay. No, not murder.



 What is do not murder?



 Yeah. So Sabbath, that's the only one that's not repeated as a command in the New Testament. So all the other nine are still binding, lying, thieving, murdering, adultery, not worshiping other gods, idolatry, all of these things are still binding. But the Sabbath, even though there is some debate about it, there's no New Testament command that says you must celebrate the Sabbath from Friday night to Saturday night. And so we know from other passages in the New Testament that we have, that we, we keep the spirit of the Sabbath. We have a rest in Christ because of what he's done for us. And we want to rest in normal rhythms throughout the week. So we don't overexert ourselves, but we have freedom in the way that we do that. There's not a law about it.



 Okay. The more, more complicated answer, because there are, there are some laws in the Old Testament that are not repeated in the New Testament that would still be good for Christians to follow.



 All used just a real obvious and awkward one. Like there are, there are commands. There's a whole chapter about sexual immorality in Leviticus and it includes things like bestiality and incest. Those are not repeated in the New Testament. Those are still good commands to follow.



 So what's the more complicated answer?



 Emily, you could chime in on this because Emily has actually done a lot of study on, on Leviticus, no pressure.



 But one way that a lot of scholars break down the laws in the Old Testament are three categories,



 ceremonial, civic, and moral. Okay. So this is not something that the Old Testament itself does. It's not like, okay, now I'm going to list the ceremonial laws. Next chapter. Now I'm going to list the civic ones. But as we go back, we can put each of the laws in one of those three buckets.



 Ceremonial would be laws that have to do with the sacrificial system. And those are laws that are, are fulfilled in Jesus. Jesus was our sacrificial lamb. Those are not binding upon us anymore. Civic laws are laws that have to do with the nation of Israel. And so a lot of the laws about capital punishment, stoning the rebellious child, you know, these are, these are civic laws because God was giving laws to a nation to carry out. We are not living in a theocratic nation like Israel where, where God's in charge and directly giving us laws. And so we don't carry out those capital punishment laws anymore. But the third category, moral laws are still, are still binding upon Christians.



 So anything you want to add? Not off the top of my head. Okay.



 Yeah. So we'll, we'll leave it at that though. And maybe in the, in the show notes, I could include a resource on that. But yeah, it's a super important question on how do we, how do we take these laws that we're, we're reading about for so many chapters?



 Okay. Thanks guys.



 We will see you next week for week six for a part two of BP. What was that for? BP? No, no, no, RP. RPBP. RPBP YA edition. We need to pay blood pressure. Blood pressure.



 Blood pressure. Who's that word for you?



 I can't hear it. I can't hear it. I can't hear it. All right.