Jasmine Star (00:00:01) - Welcome to the Jasmine Star. Show. My heart, my soul and my entire physical being couldn't be more excited for who we're going to have a conversation with. I've always said here on the podcast the reason why our conversations are so palpable and the reason they feel so real, is because they are the people I bring on the podcast, 99% of them I know firsthand. And so before I get into the story, our origin story with Doctor Gabrielle Lyon, let's just bring you on to the mic because you are a queen. Rightly so. Thank you for being on the Jasmine Star Show.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:00:50) - Are you kidding? I am so thrilled to see you. I cannot wait to see you again in person, which by the way, is going to be happening sooner rather than later. It is such a privilege. You are truly a legend, and I don't know if the listener knows how strikingly beautiful you are. Not just on video, but in person.

Jasmine Star (00:01:11) - Oh, stop. Oh, stop.

Jasmine Star (00:01:12) - Okay, so doctor Gabriel, he said, we're going to be seeing each other sooner than later, but I want to go back to when we first met. And so Doctor Gabriel is going to share a bit of her origin story. But I always think it's so powerful why I become such an advocate. Like I've always said that if we meet and we connect, I'm not your friend. I become an immediately an evangelist and an ally. Now, normally for me, I know it's probably terrible to admit I'm not hardwired for immediate trust. It takes me a long time to build trust with a person, and then every so often, you meet a person who completely transforms the time frame in which you start making assessments. This is exactly what happened when I met Doctor Gabriel. So we were in Laguna Beach. There was a group of female entrepreneurs. We all met here at a local resort, and I didn't know Doctor Gabrielle, my friend Jen Gottlieb, who's been on the podcast before, she had said, I really want to invite this particular woman to join us, to which we all said, yes, let's meet her.

Jasmine Star (00:02:14) - So we are in the lobby of this gorgeous resort, and in walks somebody who there's just no way. There is no way under God's great sky that a woman could be a doctor, powerhouse, kind of formidable force in entrepreneur. And let us not doubt it. Now, officially, a two times over or two weeks in a row New York Times bestseller. No, no no, how can how can the jeans be so good for one person? So before I let Gabrielle talk, I have to say that there has never been a person in my entire life who not just says, I want you to get better and live your best. She doesn't just show you how to do it. I have had a front row seat to how this woman cares about you. Yes, you, the listener, the watcher, and then me, her friend. And she had said, and I thought this like really stuck with me, that she wants to work with people who change the world. And I don't think that she would have access to the level of people who she serves without showing again and again that there is a mix and a necessity of intellectual drive, health drive and then giving back.

Jasmine Star (00:03:29) - So on that note, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here, and never in my life have I ever had a doctor sit next to me by a pool. She went back up to her room. She brought out her stethoscope. Y'all people are looking at Doctor Gabrielle and I by the pool and they're like, those women are weird. And I was like, yes, we are weird and we're getting healthy. And that's what I want to talk about on the show today. I want to really create a crosshair between how entrepreneurs can better their health, to also better the business. So on that note, I am so happy you're here. We've set the framework and I want to dive into some questions. But before we get there, yes, you are in New York Times selling Best Author. And yes, you work with patients and yes, you have a powerful podcast and a YouTube channel. How did you write? Now become the person who is working with some of the biggest names, caring for so many people, creating so much content, and being known as a force, shaking up things in the medical world.

Jasmine Star (00:04:30) - Who are you and how did you become this?

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:04:32) - Well, first of all, thank you for that incredible introduction. And the first word that comes to mind is perseverance. I was very much driven by making the world a better place. And we all know individuals. You know, there's an inherent nature about people, and some people are really driven to service humanity, and that has always brought happiness. You know, we would tease and people think, oh, I'm doing it for them, which of course I am. But selfishly, me being able to show up and help transform individuals lives is probably one of my most aside. From being a mom and a wife. That is hands down my favorite thing to do is the opportunity to serve. And I've been doing that. I graduated medical school almost 20 years ago. Believe it or not, I've been a physician for almost 20 years.

Jasmine Star (00:05:29) - That's crazy. And you don't look at you don't look a day over 21. So there you go. Like, basically like you're like little girl genius for 25.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:05:38) - Um, but what what is so interesting is there's a difference between being a physician and being of service and then having to step into entrepreneurship and then secondarily into, I don't know if mainstream media or at least the media portion of the practice of medicine. I will say I did that unwillingly. I did it out of necessity. About five, maybe seven years ago, Instagram really started taking off. More of the social media started taking off. And I, I did a fellowship in nutritional sciences in geriatrics. So I did seven years and nutritional sciences, which is a long time to study something. Imagine going back and getting a degree for seven years, a professional degree. And what I began to see emerge is influential individuals in the health and wellness space begin saying things that were wrong. Everybody says things that are wrong, but saying things in a way that would be very harmful to the wellness of an entrepreneur, the wellness of my parents, the wellness of the people that I love. And I had to say something I didn't want to.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:06:54) - I was very nervous. I remember the first time I made an Instagram post, my armpits were sweating and it was a whole experience, but it was out of necessity to balance the conversation that we are seeing, and then also the intention to put integrity of science to the forefront so that people can then make their own decision. And I think that that is an important component of anyone in the public.

Jasmine Star (00:07:20) - Oh so good. So I saw on YouTube that you had a conversation with a gentleman by the name of Vince Del Monte, and you talked about a predictable entrepreneur and where business owners fall short when it comes to their health. Could you share that concept with listeners right now? Because I think it would act as a framework for this very important conversation. Yeah.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:07:42) - So I will tell you that I take care of the mavericks, the innovators and the leaders, real game changers in the world. My husband is a former Navy Seal. A portion of my practice is dedicated to special operators. I take care of a lot of female entrepreneurs and male entrepreneurs that are at the height of making impact and really helping pave the way for other people.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:08:06) - As in business, what we see are predictable patterns and algorithms. You see it in Instagram, you see it in, um, newsletter Facebook ads. Don't think for one moment that although the processes in humans are not automated, they are totally predictable. And over time you see patterns of the most successful entrepreneurs. In fact, I would go on a limb and say, you show me an individual's habits and I will show you the success of their business. Oh, seeing this over and over again and seeing this over and over again, there are a few things that the best of the best do. Number one, the best of the best are very aware of their own weaknesses. They are never surprised by their own human nature. They know where they fall short. It's not like they beat themselves up. It is not a narrative conversation. But it is. For example, I'll give you an example of this. They know that if training is important to them, and they know that they're traveling all over the place, etc., they will plan for that.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:09:15) - They're not surprised that they'll get to the hotel room and they won't feel like it. If family is important to them and that is important to their health and wellness, they plan their trips with their family. They are not traveling away. And then shocked that they fall off track because they didn't keep with the integrity of the framework for which they live their life. And, you know, interestingly, let's take Vince for an example. I was talking to Vince about this large event that he puts on. He puts on a huge event every year and every year after the event. He doesn't feel great. He feels a bit down. And every year up until we had a conversation, he was shocked by this. And I see this with all of these, all the entrepreneurs, they go, they push really hard. They have a big sale, a big merger, a big launch, a big event. And then they are shocked that as high as they go is as subsequently as low as they go.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:10:12) - It happens every single time a rookie entrepreneur will start. Not that Vince is a rookie, but a rookie entrepreneur will be surprised by this. A guy like Ed Millett, he does not get super hyped up and he does not subsequently get super low. He's very there's a level of neutrality of going in and executing to the next thing and to the next thing. I remember I called him after this huge book launch. I was like, man, uh, you know, after this book launch, how did you feel? And he was like the same. I was working, you know, I had an event in three days after and then something else. And so the reason then and again, this is just an example, and I'm not telling any secrets about all of these patients have been very public about these stories. But an entrepreneur must understand. And this is probably the most important thing for an entrepreneur to understand. As high as you allow yourself to go will be as low as you go on the back end.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:11:11) - It becomes very important to cultivate a level of resistance to. We'll just call it this dopamine drive so that with entrepreneurship, two things happen. You burn yourself out. It's a late night, early morning. You drive hard, and then over time, your health completely fails. And this is probably an early entrepreneur challenge. When that happens, it takes entrepreneurs and business owners a long time to get back on their feet, because they then have to dig themselves out of a physical hole, and an entrepreneur will only ever go as high as their health and wellness. It's it. That's it. So the cap, right? If you do not feel well and this is interesting, you typically the entrepreneur is very capable and they will push and push and push. But there comes a point in time where physically it doesn't matter how mentally tough they are, their body is like absolutely done. I don't know, Jasmine, if you have had that experience or if you've heard this from your girlfriends, but regardless, there is a moment where understanding a level of neutrality will mitigate these these ebbs and flows.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:12:26) - And there's very predictable behaviors that one can take to mitigate these ebbs and flows.

Jasmine Star (00:12:34) - Okay, I have to pause here and I'm going to synthesize what I think I heard and then I'm going to be very selfish. But I always say I'm selfish and I want to start correcting that in 2020. For what I want to say is in light for the greatest amount of listeners, because I bring you on the podcast because I want to learn more from you. And in the process of me learning, I get to serve other people. So selfish. And in a way it's very benevolent. So I'm going to choose in the greatest good of the most listeners. What I heard from you was a predictable entrepreneur has a tendency to go so high, so hard, and as a byproduct, as mere science. What goes up must come down. And so the lows that we often feel after these like inordinate amount of pressure, stress and success, we also feel the absolute inverse of this. And when I started noticing this about myself, I started making different lifestyle decisions.

Jasmine Star (00:13:30) - And so Doctor Gabrielle had just said, if you find yourself on the road a lot and you're not staying up with like fitness and eating the right foods, you're going to feel it. And so a few years ago, I started making decisions about the hotels that I'm booking based on the gym and or its proximity to places that I would be able to work out. Because when I'm on the road, it is a non-negotiable. Now, having said that, if I were to end it there, people would say, wow, she's so disciplined and she saw this and I'm like, oh no, no, no. Because at the time of this recording, I'm preparing to go into a launch now. I watched you flawlessly. Now I know you worked tirelessly on your book launch. It was so beyond successful. We were talking about the planning of it in the middle of it. You were just hitting it. What on the outside looked like super high. And people like you and like Ed, you guys charge.

Jasmine Star (00:14:23) - But I didn't really see. And you and I have gotten very close. I did not see a very big dip. And so as I am preparing for a launch, I know that this launch is going to be very different. It is a new offer. It's a high ticket offer, but also on the back of it, I'm teaching a live course. In the past when I launch courses, I will pre-record the course. So a lot of my energy will go into the launch and then I go into support of the course. The main difference here, Doctor Gabriel, and I'm really asking a question, is I'm going to be exerting a ton of time and energy into the launch, and then afterward I have eight weeks of live teaching. How do I prepare to not spike and then fall when I need to be in the greatest place of service for people who have invested in their careers? On the back of what we're going to be doing live every single week, what do I start doing now? What changes can I make that anybody else who's watching or listening can say, I'm going into a big project, a big launch, a big thing? How do I best prepare for that?

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:15:21) - I love this question.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:15:22) - I'm so thrilled to be able to walk you through it. I also want to point out something that you did naturally. You put yourself in positions to succeed. When we go to the the spa, the hotel or whatever, there's a great gym. You it's not that you're waiting for discipline. You put yourself in position to excel and that is very important for the listener to understand. By the way, I hate going to the gym. Believe it or not, I hate going to the gym. I try to talk myself out of it every day, so I do. I do write, I schedule time with a trainer, so I'm showing up every day and every single day. I'm already talking myself out of it, but I never don't show up. You plan for your weaknesses. So this is just an example. Now you are going into a really big launch. Here's a few things that I heard. You are going to be offering a high ticket item in a different way than you have before, and then you are going to be doing live courses, which is going to require more energy.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:16:18) - The first thing that you're going to do is it's going to be your last high ticket offer.

Jasmine Star (00:16:21) - No, it will not be my last high ticket offer.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:16:23) - No probably not. This is right. So the meaning of this offer is this is just an experiment. It is not. There is no narrative about how amazing it is. If it's going to go good, if it's not going to go good, basically what it is is that you showed up. And you are doing something different and you are delivering it. There's only two outcomes. Either it sells or it doesn't sell, or people get benefit or they don't. And there's probably gray areas in between, but the narrative around it doesn't even have to exist. You go, you put in the work and you execute. So as you begin to be all this idea of celebrating each win, so you create these modules, you create this template and you go, oh my God, this looks so great. I would say you're going to flip a coin and you're going to decide whether you celebrate that module or this PDF or this email, etc. or not.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:17:20) - There has to be intermittent reward. And I know you and you drive for perfection. It is phenomenal. It is excellent. And you hold yourself to an incredible standard. I would say that you do this as a natural way and part of who you are. Everything else that you were thinking about and talking about within yourself doesn't have to be said. There is a level of neutrality that as you are executing, you are just doing no good.

Jasmine Star (00:17:51) - Somebody number two. Oh, God. Yes. Let's get to number two. You are going.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:17:55) - To maintain your habits of daily living. You are not going to spike up everything. Push hard in a way that is going to leave you depleted. You're not going to skip your workouts. You're not going to be going off your nutrition plan, and you are not going to be going to any old habit that you might have. And here's what you're thinking. The habits might not be crazy, but the habits like shopping habits, like, you know, whatever it is that you do again, maybe it's shopping for a purse or a bag.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:18:28) - It's something a little that creates a distraction, and there's a moment of discomfort before you make a decision that actually becomes divergent to your ultimate goal. So for us right now, we have a big launch. Secondarily to that, this launch is the preservation of dopamine. It's the preservation of your mood. It's the preservation of your capacity. It is the preservation of your drive. Because once this launch is over, after eight weeks of live courses, I want you to call me and go, I'm feeling great. I'm going to take the weekend off, but that's it. You're not going to call me and say, I'm totally burnt out. I'm exhausted. My stomach is a wreck. I feel nervous in my stomach, you know, or whatever it is. I went off my diet, my workout suffered, my sleep suffered, etc. and I'm just hypothetically speaking, because every entrepreneur who is sitting in your Jasmine Starr, same seat, getting ready to embark on something big. And again, you said this is a new thing.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:19:33) - So when there is a new thing, there's a level of being uncomfortable because there is the unknown. As entrepreneurs, you are primed for the unknown and the other aspect. And I was going to tell you, this is not the way in which we manage our mentality. Going into something big comes from number one being neutral. There's a level of neutrality. There is a behavior and habit management which we can talk about this intermittent reward schedule, ways to preserve dopamine, etc.. And then the third thing is rethinking the external stimulus. If I were to go out on the street and ask 50 people, tell me what a stress response is. We have one word to define. My kids spilled hot chocolate on my white brand new sofa. I had to go to the DMV. I don't know if I have the right paperwork. The airplane is delayed, I lost my job, or I lost a loved one. We have one word to define a vast spectrum of human experiences. Mm. And we have one understanding of what a stress response is.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:20:54) - And that is fight or flight fight flight or freeze. This is the framework that we internalize the human experience. But Jasmine and every entrepreneur listening there are two other more valuable stress responses that are cultivated and not talked about. They are. The courage response which is your back is against the wall. You immediately initiate a action oriented behavior that mitigates a feeling of stress because you are taking action. Many of my military clientele function like this. If I am standing out ready to jump out of a plane, my blood pressure would be up. I literally would pee myself and think that this is the worst possible idea I've ever had. My husband, on the other hand, would be standing there thinking, let's go. His blood pressure may be up marginally. He would not be having the same kind of cortisol release because of his responsiveness to the stimulus. He interprets it as this is fun. This is something else. And then thirdly, the tend and befriend response to stress. This is immediately. How can I serve others? The responsiveness.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:22:13) - And typically women go into this kind of stress response. This is what can I do to support you? How can I help you think about if a bear was coming for your child, if you were in fight or flight, which is again the only stress response that is ever taught to anybody. If you were to do that, you would be able to not mobilize any kind of behavior. But if you initiate a tended befriend, it's immediately, what do I need to do to help this person? What do I need to do to console them, make them feel better or I am stressed? I'm going to reach out to my friends and we are going to collectively figure out a solution. So there are can they.

Jasmine Star (00:22:52) - Pause you first? One second I want to make sure. So stress responses, alternative stress responses to the fight or flight was number one courage. That's action oriented behavior. And then number third was the tend in befriend. How can I serve others. What was the second one because you talked about already.

Jasmine Star (00:23:07) - Those two. Oh those those two.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:23:09) - Those only those two. There's fight or flight. Oh fight flight or freeze. So we'll we'll put the fight or flight and freeze together. Okay. And then there's the courage response and which can be cultivated. Got it. And the tendon befriend response. Now what's so amazing about these responses. And there's literature and studies out of Stanford really hallmark studies is that how we perceive our environment is actually how our physiology responds. There was something called the. It was a I was a housekeeper study, and they took a handful of housekeepers in multiple different locations. They took half of them and said, what you are doing is good for your health. You're being so physically active. Keep doing it. Good job. And then they took the other ones and they kind of insinuated that it was a bit negative and they really needed to work out more, and they weren't really keeping up with their health. Those that were told that what they were doing was good for them.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:24:10) - Lost weight, had lower blood pressure, had better levels of insulin and glucose. None of them changed their activity. None of them changed their diet. It was simply the understanding of the external environment. This is a long winded way of saying how we perceive what is in front of us, and the recognition that we have alternative responses that are, quite frankly, hardwired into us as humans. But we don't have the verbal capacity to speak about them, to label them and thus understand them has really done us a disservice, especially in entrepreneurial health and wellness.

Jasmine Star (00:24:51) - Okay, so let's break this down. I'm going into this launch and then I'm going into eight weeks of teaching live lessons. There will come. It's not a matter of if there will come moments of stress and moments of stress. Up until this exact moment has been my natural response of fight, flight or freeze. Now I look back at my life and I mostly look at my career, and I'm a fighter. But there comes a point, Doctor Gabrielle, that it was me versus me in the ring, and I realized that it was not serving me in that fight mode.

Jasmine Star (00:25:24) - And now when I come into a stressful situation because they are coming, I am called to choose courage, action oriented behavior. If I don't like what's happening, I could take action. And even if it's the not the right action at the time, at least I've figured out what not to do next, or the tend and befriend. And I think that most often, like if I could choose my stress response going in, because if I think, oh, something's not landing or it's not going well, instead of me taking more action, which is what I do as a default, I think in this particular case, how can I tend how can I serve the people who've invested? So my big call to action from this conversation is at the end of the launch, and the live and the live course I want to call you, and I want to say I'm feeling very much like myself. I'm going to take a couple days off because why not? It's what I do every quarter. And then I want to look back and say the vast majority of the decisions I made, the vast majority of the responses I had to things that didn't work out.

Jasmine Star (00:26:23) - I'm really proud, Doctor Gabrielle, because I was really focused on taking action, and I was really focused on tending and befriending the people who invested. That's going to be my intention, but I want to go back real quick. When we talk about these things, I've heard a different like, here's the thing, I'm an avid consumer of you, girl. I mean, it's like like, honestly, it's like what you put out. I'm like, yes. Okay. So there was, I think, a good place to kind of tether this would be you had a distinction between external discipline and internal discipline. And so I kind of want you to like dig that out. And specifically in relation to us as entrepreneurs and specifically as we're putting things out into the ether if they're known or not known.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:27:02) - Yeah. This idea, there's internal and external drivers and you have to understand what pushes you. Are you someone who needs accountability from an external perspective, or are you someone who, without a doubt is disciplined from inside out? I'll give you an example.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:27:22) - And by the way, notice there is no judgment. It is truly the more neutrality that we can cultivate, the lower the amplitude of the swing, so that the more neutral we cultivate things, the lower the amplitude of the meaning. Because we have a long life to live, everything is not a big stress, and in a small it is very much this ebb and flow. So there are people that are very externally disciplined. That would be an example of, um, you.

Jasmine Star (00:27:57) - Know, who I think is like, is this like what we see, like outward manifestations of discipline? Okay. So I know and she's been very open about it. So I would never talk about your patience. I mean, although, you know, everybody here loves Ed, and Ed has been very vocal about his working relationship with you. And Cody Sanchez has been very open about her working relationship. I look at her and I see that she's extraordinarily disciplined. I think that if she had an accountability partner or 100 or none, she would still finish things that she set out to do.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:28:24) - Exactly. Yeah. That is external and internal discipline. And my husband, by the way, is exactly the same way. There is no variation between the external and internal discipline. They are there, they are executing and those. Rules have a very limited narrative. There is a very limited conversation going on, right? My husband, for example, works 100 hours a week. He was a former Navy Seal. He is now a surgical resident. I'm waiting for him to complain. I cannot wait for that guy to complain, because I know I would be in complaining the entire time. After working 24 to 36 hours. I'm like, honey, isn't that terrible? He's like, no, I mean, just this is what I do. It's my job. And what you can learn from that is his experience of what he's going through. He might be tired, but there is no friction, the internal friction. Can you imagine if every time you experience something or looked at an email and you had a subconscious response to the stressor or what it means, or this reevaluation of something? So every time, you know, I look at my text messages and all of a sudden if I see 50 unread text messages, I might initiate some kind of like, oh my gosh.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:29:39) - But what if instead of interpreting that response? Because that's going to probably be my whole life, if it was a response where maybe my blood pressure went up, or maybe there was some stimulation that I didn't actually interpret that as bad, that I didn't actually interpret what I was feeling as stress. If and this is cultivated. We've seen this in brain studies. These behaviors are cultivated. Mhm. Fear and courage. Courage is it is a cultivated attribute.

Jasmine Star (00:30:14) - Okay. So somebody hears this. And then what you had said was to keep neutrality in the assessment. If you need accountability or if you are disciplined inside out. So somebody hears this about Cody and your husband and they're like, that's amazing. But if I was being neutral, I am not that way. So for the for the person who needs accountability or craves accountability, if they are in the exact same situation as your husband, as a surgical resident and they default into maybe I need to complain, what is their course of action if it's not discipline on my own? Well, I'm not gonna complain because it's the thing I got into.

Jasmine Star (00:30:46) - What do they do? What is that segment of people do?

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:30:49) - The first thing is determine what is it that you truly want? What is the person that you want to become? Because without a perspective of who it is that you want to be, you'll be much less likely to exhibit behaviors that cultivate that kind of experience in life. So, number one, who do you want to be? You could totally be someone who wants to complain, and that's fine. However, if you want to be someone who is not distracted by that internal complaint because can you imagine if you were internally distracted from that mental noise that takes you away from a much greater vision and a much greater service? So the first thing that I would do is pick things that, and I don't want to say goals, because I actually don't believe we should have goals. For the most part, I feel as if we should have standards, because standards allow us to create a framework that whether something, uh, hits a certain number or doesn't, we have created a standard operating procedure of high standards.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:31:49) - You will never hear me talk about going on a diet. You will never hear me talk about that. I want to do this or that. But what we do is we set up a framework and that framework creates guardrails. So number one, for example, if you want it to be the person that complained, etc., think about the thing that it's taking away from. Are you unable to surf the discomfort and then fall off your plan? For example, let's say you work on and this would be me. I'd work 100 hours, or I'd work 24 hours overnight, and I would know that I would have to go back to work the next day. The option is I'm just too tired, eat this, blah, blah blah. I'm not doing it. And that would, over a period of time, take me away from a greater goal of being fit or being an example to my patients, etc. instead of that, I plan that every time I do this 24 hours. I know that before I go to sleep, I'm going to train.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:32:44) - And I know that might sound crazy for people, but it doesn't matter once you implement and you put and it could be anything, I could say, I'm going to sleep for four hours and then I'm going to wake up and here's what I'm going to set for myself. Structure creates accountability. Structure creates accountability. Courage is a decision and fear is a response. So fear is totally this physiological response. One can decide on courage. One can also create structure that becomes non-negotiable and, quite frankly, the non-negotiable. Behaviors allow individuals to put a mental framework. It allows people to put in place a mental framework because at the end of the day, if we are living out of integrity. So you will see. Here's an example. You will see a highly, highly successful entrepreneur that is killing it in business. And they cannot get their physical health together. It just can't. That is, external discipline met with a lack of internal discipline. And the answer could be I'm so controlled in business that I can't possibly do that for myself.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:33:57) - That is my one reprieve one would have to examine. Is that true at some point, and is it potentially a worthiness kind of a thing individuals will only ever go to as high as they feel worthy to. But that is an example. Or on the flip side, let's take another extreme. You will see an incredibly fit athlete or athletic person. You just oh my brushing it. I don't have $0.02 to get their business together. Constantly distracted by exercise, constantly distracted by external physicality and cannot. Get their financial peace and order their financial house in order. Here is what I will say to the divergence between the external and internal discipline. There is usually a level of discomfort that an individual is not facing. There is a true level of discomfort that, in fact, is actually just unfamiliarity. And once an individual can bridge that gap. Each time they choose the alternative action. They become a different version of themselves. So the overweight entrepreneur who's making close to a billion, hundreds of millions of dollars.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:35:13) - There will be a moment in time where they know they should work out. They know they shouldn't eat the pizza. They know they should go to the gym. There will be a moment of decision. Where they make a bad choice, and then they continue to make that bad choice. But the moment before that choice is actually a level of discomfort. And it is that discomfort that veers them off into this old behavior. If you can assert that urge for just one moment. You allow yourself to make a courageous decision, and that courageous decision becomes a courageous action. And that courageous action becomes an outcome that is visible and manifests into external discipline. You know, we have.

Jasmine Star (00:36:05) - A very limited time together. But when you say all of this, it like just moves me from the inside out because there are people who say one thing and then there are people who live that one thing, but you embody the tertiary level of living, embodying, but then making sure that the people you have contact with are absolutely adhering to the very thing you live your entire life by.

Jasmine Star (00:36:33) - And so as I am sitting here and I am listening to you talking about managing your mentality by being neutral, by habit management, this is where we were managing our dopamine and by rethinking our external stimulus. And then you talked about how do we respond during times of stress, that what has happened since the last time I met you? And for people who are watching or listening, I have to say that a doctor, Gabrielle, I actually at the time I was working with a trainer and he saw that I had spent some time with Doctor Gabrielle and he's like, you hung out with Doctor Gabrielle? I was like, you know her? He's like, who doesn't know her? And I was like, wow, okay. And what he had said was, what did you learn from it? And I said, outside of talking to this very amazing, brilliant group of people, I said, I noticed the way that two women on this trip, I noticed the way they worked out, and I noticed the way they ate.

Jasmine Star (00:37:26) - Now, this is coming from somebody who works out and I really am conscious about what I eat. And then I got around you and I realized, whoa, there's an entirely different level of living life. Good on the inside out. It was every decision. It was what you drank, which was water. A ton of freaking water. And it is what you ate. We both ordered salads, but what did you get? A double amount of protein, no dressing. And you would get mustard on the side. Why do I remember this was because it had such a transformative effect in the way that I was looking at, hey, there's a different way of choosing the thing in the best service of myself after that conversation. And we're going to be closing it here because this is a a true life example of knowing what is right, embodying what is right, and then gathering people around you around the same and similar belief that I, you know, you have to care about what is going on.

Jasmine Star (00:38:16) - I have like a lump in my throat. I sat with you and I said, I have been struggling with something for six years, and I've gone to every doctor, and I looked at you and I said, I've given up. I have said that this is my lot, and I'm accepting that this is the pain I have to live in. And you looked across me and you said, oh, no, we're healing you and I. I made the courageous decision to believe that you were going to help me find somebody who was going to get me on the right path. We work together for three months now. Here's one thing I am not a patient of Doctor Gabrielle. She just looked at me as a human and said, we're going to find you something. I sent Doctor Gabrielle pages and pages and pages of doctors who took my insurance. And then she said, we're looking for a specific fellowship for this type of doctor. And then she connected me with that doctor, and then she followed up with me.

Jasmine Star (00:39:03) - And then I will never forget it was a Saturday, and you sent me a voice memo and said, we need to get you on some vitamins. You need to go and do this. And my husband heard your voice message and he said, who is that? He's like, it sounds like a pitbull angel. And he said, that's her doctor Gabrielle is my pitbull angel who not just cares about herself, who not just believes in what she's saying, but gathers people around her to make those changes. I wanted you on this podcast because I want somebody who right now feels I can't change. I can be healed. This is just my lot to hear this and say, you're starting your journey right now with Doctor Gabriel because, like me, I had given up. I accepted that that was my lot. And then I met you, and then you changed my life. So for people who want to change where they are, for people who are like, I know I need to make a difference, and I don't know what to get around.

Jasmine Star (00:39:49) - You have so many free resources. You have a Ted talk. You you have hundreds of thousands of followers on Instagram. Anywhere people go, they will find you and start changing their life. For anybody who's asking right now, where do they go to get started with you and get to know you a little bit more? Yeah. Of course.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:40:03) - Well, first of all, thank you. And I would never let you suffer. And that's just the truth. Thank you. Uh, if anybody knows me personally, I'm extremely tenacious. I knew that whatever it was, we could figure it out. And I wasn't going to be accepting anything less. And I was going to be right by your side. And, of course, you're welcome to be a patient anytime. I. Don't you worry about that. Um, but in just all kidding aside, people can find me on my website. Doctor Gabriel Lion. Personally, I only will be taking three more patients this year. I have a concierge practice, but I do have other providers that are wonderful and all trained up and are amazing.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:40:45) - Go to the website Doctor Gabrielle. Dot com. We also have a community, which I'm really excited. I don't know when this is coming out, but I have launched or am launching depending on when it's coming out. A community where I will be interfacing, asking questions, taking what I have learned over the many years of practice, and teaching people that have questions and generating community, which is we all are stronger together. Period. Yes, a free newsletter. I put out a ton of free content. I have the Doctor Gabrielle Lyon Show, which is a top health and wellness podcast. YouTube, I don't know, is there anything else that I'm missing?

Jasmine Star (00:41:25) - Okay, so here's the thing. So you're talking to entrepreneurs, right? So people are looking at you and they're not just inspired to change their life and their outlook and their health, but they're looking at this as the business model. So let's talk about this. I'm going to strip this down in 30s. The business model is a ton of free content, by way, per podcast doctor Gabrielle Lyon Lyon Show.

Jasmine Star (00:41:43) - She also has a newsletter, you guys, her newsletter, her community freaking bonkers. Crazy. They are fully bought in based on how much she's been giving them. Also, if you are just consuming content on social media, follow her on all social. She's very active, but here's the business component of what it is she does. She has a very successful individual practice where she is a concierge. She works with high performing individuals. There is a 99% chance it would not be a fit for you in that capacity. She has other providers underneath her name, so you're looking at her business as an umbrella, where she gets leads and is able to give them to other doctors in her network who all subscribe to the same philosophy and belief, and then what she's decided to do to serve more people who cannot afford. Let's just be real, concierge medical care is the future. It is not here now. It is reserved for the very few. It is a luxury offer. So what is she doing now? She's creating a community for a mid-tier offer for people to start understanding more of their health, taking control of their health, and having pathways of understanding how their health works within their considered medical providers.

Jasmine Star (00:42:41) - So slam bam, check out doctor Gabrielle Lyon, savvy freaking businesswoman, powerhouse mother, wife, entrepreneur, caretaker of Navy Seals and anybody else. I mean, I she's the kind of person you sit next to her in a plane, she's taking care of you. So may y'all be lucky enough to sit next to her on a plane. Not do that. But that is true.

Dr. Gabrielle Lyon (00:43:01) - Do not do that. And one more thing. My book Forever Strong. Yes. If you guys are interested. This book is very unique. It's the first book of its kind. It talks about muscle as the organ of longevity. Not only does it have health and wellness information, which again, I service a ton of entrepreneurs, people just like you, you don't have time for trying to figure out all the deep science. This book is for everybody. It outlines very specifically exactly what you need to be doing, and as well as the mental framework for how you need to approach these changes. This conversation now marginally weak but forever strong, forever strong.

Jasmine Star (00:43:38) - New York Times multiple. All of them. Yes, that's right. That's right in her community. Put her there, y'all. I can't say enough good things. Doctor Gabrielle, thank you for being here on the Jasmine Star Show. Y'all. Tag doctor Gabrielle Lyon on Instagram. Give her a little bit of love for the amount of time and energy that she shared, for our changing our minds and our bodies and our souls from the inside out. Thank you for listening to the Jasmine Star Show. It is an honor and it is a pleasure. I.