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Speaker 2Welcome to the Jasmine star show. My name is Scotto and I had the customer experience department for social curator. And I'm here to introduce Jasmine's conversation with sack Kravitz on his podcast, rambling radio. In this episode, Jasmine talks about the way her Enneagram number impacts our actions of being bullied in elementary school affects her business today and why she pivoted from being one of the top 10 photographers in the world to starting her membership social curator. I loved the way Jasmine and Zach were somehow able to joke around and go deep in this interview and I think you're really gonna love it too. Let's listen in on Jasmine's conversation with Zach Kravitz on his podcast. Rambling radio.
Speaker 3You are a hard lady to track down.
Speaker 4So I've been told, so I've been told
Speaker 3you are everywhere. Um, I see you online. I see you speaking. I see you in your DMS. I see you everywhere .
Speaker 4Shut off of the DMD . I mean for like, I saw your story.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, I know, I know. You're always, you're in it. Um, how do you before Luna, cause we're going to get there. You're going to get to see your, your, your newborn. But , um, how do you manage a schedule like that? How do you, how do you do that without overwhelm ? How do you do what you do? Speaking, Instagram, Facebook live. I mean, every time I open up my phone you're there.
Speaker 4Yeah. Um, it started off like discipline leads to creativity or I'm sorry, discipline gives space for creativity. Like I started off as a photographer and I had these visions out of like I'm a photographer when I travel you'll see me in Amsterdam, I'm going to be walking the fields of wheat by camera. And then you realize that like when you prefer to pursue something professionally, 20% of the time you get to do what you love. And 80% of the time is just working through the mire of it. And I realized that if I wasn't very strategic with how I laid out my timeline in a day, I wouldn't even have the 20% to create. And so for me it came back down to I'm a creative, but I need a lot of structure so that I have the time. And space just to create without creating under the gun. Like know who creates well when you're like, I have to do this in this time. It's like that's not the way it works. So for me, every single day I create, I create a timeline. I wake up, I have a routine like my husband and I, we're business partners. We sit down and I'm like, what hours were you, what am I doing? How is this like how does this work? And it's like two, two well oiled machines just going in very, very, very strategically on a day . But I am living proof that somebody can take the little they have and make it work. Like I don't, I'm thankful that I have a team with social curator, but that social curate as far as like building out like the Jasmine star, like brand endeavors, creativity. That's myself and JD and now our baby girl.
Speaker 3That's amazing. How much does J D play a role in your life and managing it and, and just being that support system to you?
Speaker 4Yeah. I just know for a show beyond a shadow of doubt , I wouldn't be who I am. I wouldn't have the business, we wouldn't have the structure. Um, we wouldn't have our house function because we live and work together and we also work from home. And that's a decision we could absolutely get an office space. But I know number one, I'm an introvert in number two , right ? I know I'm not one for smalltalk . Like I'm just like, I want to go in with a strategy to get it done. Let's go. Right ? And when a coworking space, I just discovered I was just not at all productive and I just felt like I was, I care a lot about people. So I'm like, you know, walking down the hall or like passing by some of these office . And the very quick question turns into let's come up with your business plan and how are you showing up on social, what's your structure? And all of a sudden I was like, Oh , I'm spending half of my day consulting instead of getting my work done. So for us, like he is a hundred. The reason why I can do this podcast today is because of him. Right ? Like everything now even that much more as the family grew, he, he's just, he's 100 the person who's just like, I'll provide the structure, I'll take care of things here and you'll take a bigger lead outside facing. But all strategy, all deploying all vision is something that we do together.
Speaker 3Yeah. I think, I think a big question I get, I get this question all the time, is having a significant other while starting a business , um, you started your business after you were with him, correct? Well we've been together since we were 17 that's what I thought for a long time. Do you get that question a lot? Like can you, can you have a significant other and start a business cause your businesses , I don't want to say it's like it's sustainable now. I mean it's, you've built a machine and it's not like you're just getting started. So for someone that is, wants a significant other or is in that stage but is also trying to start a business, do you think those two things are possible? Cool .
Speaker 4A hundred percent I mean, listen, you just need one person to do it before you to know that as possible, whether or not it's possible in the relationship you have is a different thing. And you know, people say, Oh, well, you know, you and JD have this business, you guys built it out like you do that. But I'm like, yeah. But when we first started, like we met when we were in high school, we dated long distance when he was in college, I went to law school, we were still dating during that time. We got married and he was with a startup company and that's when I decided to start photography. So we really had to learn how to work together. And when I was, had the desire to become a photographer, it's not like he woke up and I was like, you know what, I want to be a photographer too. That's exactly what I wanted to do. But I was like, yo, I'm on the struggle bus and I don't know how to read , um, user manuals. And he's like super. Like he can read a book and get it. And I'm just like, I need to see it, I need to feel it. So it's like he would read the user manual, he, we would walk and then we would prac, like we would walk through it together and then we would, and like essentially without us knowing, he was teaching me and I was teaching him photography. And so then when we started landing my first gig, I was just like, listen, I just need you to look the part. Like basically I needed a human security blanket and I was just like, if something goes wrong, I'm not going to have to fix it. So I rented a camera for him, our very first gig and I was like, this was my second photographer.
Speaker 5And I was like,
Speaker 4when all else fails, put it in P mode. I just made a photography joke. If anybody's a photographer, you'll think it's hilarious if you don't know what that means.
Speaker 5Okay . Did you get it? It's like he mowed professional, you know? So that's how we ,
Speaker 4it kind of rolled for our first couple of gigs. And then after I just realized that he was the person that really pushed me creatively and he was the counterbalance. So we built every business and every iteration of our business together. Wow. Was it, what was he doing before that? He was with this startup communication company for like education. So fricking hated it or JD doesn't hate anything. Like, he's like, he's, he's hard. He's hard wired for optimism, positivity. He's hardwired for finding the good in every, it's good. It's so rare. And I would always go to him like, what are you doing? Like you're literally, he had this like Acura Integra it was used was like red and it was oxidized and he would drive like three hours to do a consultation and then drive home without a contract sign . And I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm listening to sales CD .
Speaker 5She'd be like , I'd find like the positive and , and I'm like,
Speaker 3yo, I want you on my team. So yeah. Was that it ? Was that a hard transition for him coming to , because technically he was working for you or did you never see it that way? Always. Never saw it that way. And I know he see it that way though. No , I've never hard for him. No. No ego, no nothing.
Speaker 4No. I think from the outside, and again it's how somebody is created, how the relationship is and like the conversations. We have a ton of communication and I've gone like out of my way. I have never at all ever looked at it as something and it was my own, and I even had conversations with him. I was just like, listen, it started off as my own thing and since the iterations have occurred, we're so strongly business partners, I could absolutely rename this and he's always never wanted that. He's like, I don't want to be in the front. I don't want my name out there. He's like, I just want you to do your thing and I want to support that. And I don't know if you're into Enneagram , but it's , he's a two , so anybody who's into Enneagram two , it kind of like divides out characteristics and personalities to his hardware breaks no different. But they come, they're super complimentary. Like, I think you would dig it, especially your wicks , you guys should do it to kind of see two twos are classified as helpers. Like when you feel like you're most satisfied in your career and personal life is when you're helping somebody. And the power play for two is to really align themselves with somebody who has the vision, knows what they want to and has a very clear plan of how they can help that person get where they want to go. So basically I have like the unicorn of business partners. Yeah , that's what I'm saying. That's what I was saying. I am a three. What does that mean? Um, you know, achiever, a young achiever, just they what they call just achiever. I stuttered, I did step , I was trying to and then Z , but I was like, Oh cause I get embarrassed of it. Like I'm just like an achiever. So an achiever is really defined by the things that they do. And like the upside is you're an action taker. You want to get ahead. And then the dark side of that is that you're driven, you're selfish, you're very , you have your blinders on, you're not paying attention to other people. And so when Enneagram, you have these things called wings and I'm a three wing four and a four is classified as an artist. So I can clearly see, I mean, when I took my test I was like, Oh, that was spot on. And artists have a tendency to um, be internal introvert , uh, very like sensitive. And so it's like this weird little combination between being achiever and somebody who's highly sensitive introvert. Um , yeah, I'm basically the hot mess. I got the, I got the hot mess. Like my husband got the top of the pyramid. I know . Exactly. It's like, no one wants to be my friend. Maybe you should create your own quiz and it's all optimized. Your amazing Jasmine.
Speaker 3Exactly. Um, well just looking at you speaking all the time and , and stepping in front of the stage, talking to hundreds, thousands, thousands, hundreds. How many, what's your biggest appearance for the amount of people?
Speaker 4I think it was 5,000 in a row. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's nothing I want to do like 50.
Speaker 3Is it? I believe it. Is it harder to speak in front of a smaller group?
Speaker 4Yes. We just like, yeah, we just had a team like , um , so we have departments, so we had a department head, I call it a department head bootcamp. Um , excuse me, retreat. And when we were there, the department heads said we're changing this to the department head boot camp because when Jasmine gets you in a room for three days, all you doing is working. I was like, wait, we can kinda sorta relax and they're just like, Jasmine, you got us margarita so we can work into the night. And I was like, yes. So I did. Uh , yeah. So , um, so yeah, as far as that, it was harder. I got more nervous talking to three people on my team, four people on my team. Then like I would rather speak to a group of 4,000 strangers.
Speaker 3Yeah. So how long did it take you to get comfortable doing that as an introvert? Cause I just watching you, I would never expect that you were,
Speaker 4a lot of people would just think, Oh yes , yeah, yeah. No, a hundred percent repetition. And then like having the humility to speak to a group of five for like five years before the group of five turns into 10 and then 10 turns into 20. Um, but yeah, it's like you're sharpening your teeth. Like nobody ever stands on the stage. Never makes a video. Nobody ever takes a picture for people to pay attention to it until you do it again and again and again. And, and then people you start noticing.
Speaker 3Yeah. Wow. I remember I met you in Lewis's mastermind , um, that was like two years ago. That was two years ago. Yeah. And I listened to the podcast that you guys did together and he stopped you.
Speaker 4Oh, I totally do. Like everybody, everybody damned me about it.
Speaker 3I thought it was amazing. Um, he stopped you because you were trying to be too perfect in his eyes. Is that something that you continue to work on or is that still a struggle for you of always correcting yourself? Always. Cause like to a lot of people, you're perfect, you're beautiful, you're all made up, everything looks great .
Speaker 4You know, it's crazy because I was so happy was sufficient . Cause now I correct the file . Let me set the record. Big earrings , I got my fingers. Let me tell you something. Okay. Um, he hadn't said, you know, it doesn't have to be perfect and like I received that, like I received it. But like one thing that I have always said and maintained is that like perfection, the idea of perfection doesn't exist. So oftentimes somebody like Louis can say you're trying to be perfect and , and so to bring everybody up to speed who didn't listen to the podcast , it was like I was trying to find the right words . I was trying to get it out in the right way. And I was correcting like just like you did a few seconds ago , I was like, I didn't an NCA. Right. So what he saw and what oftentimes people see is like, Oh, this idea of being perfect or attempting to be perfect, or Jasmine's coming across as a perfectionist. Do I have those tendencies? A hundred percent yes. Do I disagree with that assessment? No, but the undercurrent isn't perfection. The undercurrent stems, thank you to lots of therapy is, you know , I'm a daughter of an immigrant and I didn't learn how to read until I was like 11 and I was homeschooled and I weighed 175 pounds when I was 11 years old and I had greasy hair. I hated taking showers. You know, it was just like, I was like probably the , the easiest target for people to make fun of. I will not say I was bullied, thank God. But there is like a fine line between being bullied and being meaning made fun of like kids would leave what they call the traps. So it's like I would walk in and hear this happened at church. Okay God forgive them. So I would walk in and you know, you're maybe eight, nine, 10 and they would leave traps. They would leave like candy in like a line or across like a desk or they leave like a can of like seven up. And like I would walk in, I would see and they would all be sitting in tears like chairs just waiting for me, unknown unbeknownst to me. And I would sit in this chair and I was like, who's seven up is this? And they're like, Oh she's eating. She's always wanting it. And I was like, Oh, like I was set up for this thing. So I think that when you grow up with everybody expecting you to be the lowest or being put in like the special reading group or being behind the curve is that like probably when I was 25 was like the first time in my life that I actually was good at something good. Being as a photographer, as a photographer, like being known for something that all of a sudden I spent the most of my time trying to hedge my bets to be like, Oh well finally it's easy to go through life being unnoticed and unremarkable. The hard part is being noticed for something and having an opinion and working towards it because then everybody wants to call you out on that. And so Louis was, I think the second or third person I interviewed. So I didn't even know how podcasting worked. And I was just like, okay, let me have my podcast or voice and here I am, you know, now I know you can edit it.
Speaker 5Podcasts . Zach , you better be some good signs.
Speaker 4No, I mean, I just feel like at the time I was trying to be what I thought was a podcaster and you know, I've been officially a podcast or now for three and a half months, and I looked back at to that version of Jasmine and I'm like, Oh girl, it's okay. You were trying to try real hard. You could just be you. So like lesson learned. And I'm actually really happy that people were privy to that. So when they listened to the podcast or whatever derivative of the podcast and they watch a video or a photo or a podcast or anything else I create , they could say that like, that is me and she's continuing to get better and I can do the same. So it's good living living out like that.
Speaker 3Yeah. Well, it's way more relatable. Yeah . So I'm sure people saw that. And then , Oh my God, thank you. Um, there's another moment I keep picking on you, but there's another one.
Speaker 5Is this picking on mail ? Come on. It's fine . I'm from the hood. This ain't nothing. We like BFS right now
Speaker 3moment in , uh , in Lewis's mastermind. I don't know if you want me to show this , but
Speaker 5I don't care. I'm open. No, I don't care. You better bring it now.
Speaker 3Um, and I remember , uh , you're going to have to correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you stood up, it was at the end of the mastermind and were given all the thank you speeches and whatnot, and you said that you got into his group. First of all, the room is super intimidating with all those people. Everyone is like super high achiever, right? And so you have to get accepted, you have to make a certain amount of money. All these, you know, there's different criteria. So you stood up at the end and you said that you got accepted the first time and you didn't enroll because you felt like you didn't belong into the, in the room. How long did it take you to get over that?
Speaker 5Hi . Why the next year?
Speaker 3Just getting over that process of, of feeling comfortable, feeling like you belong in a room. I don't know . That's not really good question. Right ?
Speaker 4I think it's a great question. I actually think we'll just tap here for a second because like how do you frame a question after something that was an experience or a fact, right? Like what , what question do you follow up with other than the fact I need to be open about that, you know , um , I'm happy that we're talking about this specifically because I think people see a version of me online and people want to have a 100% idea of me for 1% of my life. And what you just brought up is stuff that I, you know, I have never said out loud other than to the 20 people in the room that I was the person who stopped myself from being in the room and like I look back at my life and I think that that's a reoccurring pattern and for all the reasons I just mentioned, all the reasons, it's like I was poor, I was behind, I was daughter and immigrant like weed . My parents didn't have a car. We had government assistance. People drop Christmas gifts on our front porch. Like all of those things I think on a subconscious level as your child and you're being conditioned would be like, I don't belong. I was always on the receiving end of something as if somebody else's benevolence was the reason I existed. And so finally to get to come into adulthood and say like I can take up space or if I say it I'm good at something. You always in the back at least something I'm working through is like the worthiness to be in the room. The worthiness to do you want an , I wanted to start a podcast not for one year, two years. There's I want to start a podcast for like three, four years and I was the person who was like, well, unless I know clearly what the objective of the podcast is like I'm just not going to show and like, yeah , that's a good, that's a BS story. That's a BS story. I was saying that I, my ideas, my voice, my approach wasn't good enough to actually quantify me pursuing a podcast that is, that's jacked up. The person who was stopping me was me and I want to have this conversation. I want to be open about it because how many creatives are out there stopping themselves because they're not the best. They don't have the answer. Somebody else has done it. Somebody has done it better. That's imposter syndrome at its finest and I feel like I need to talk about the things that I need to learn. And so like this is like a straight up reckoning between you citing that podcasts Lewis in between you seeing me behind closed doors of me stopping myself. It's like that's what I want to come out and be against. It's like if I can save you time, like stop selling yourself short. Like I've just done it too long and the only person who has slowed my progress has been me. Yeah.
Speaker 3Wow, that's powerful. So if you were, if your young Jasmine photographer and wanted to work with celebrities and high achievers entrepreneurs, what would you tell your younger self if you felt like you didn't belong in the room?
Speaker 4Offer value that they know they need and don't know how to ask for I, that's what I did. But it was a big question Mark. Like I wasn't sure, like I felt stupid, I felt unsure. What I would tell myself is like, Hey girl, you're on the right track. Like do that thing and do it confidently. So as a photographer, I wanted to get access to other photographers. I wanted, see how they did their business. I wanted to go on shoots and I was like, I'll carry sandbags, I'll carry lights, I'll do whatever. Like that's how I was raised. That's still to this day, if ever, if anybody came into town still to this day, like I'm homeys with like chase Jarvis, like homey . But if he came into town and I wanted to see the shoe , watch me be like, can I please carry sandbags? Like that just, I mean, honest to God, I am not above that. Like I'll do anything for just that front row seat. So that's just how I'm hardwired. So I would see these photographers and it's like everybody wants to carry sandbags. Everybody wants to be like, Oh, can I just shadow you? It's like now I'm like, why? Why would they ever give me opportunity? But here's one thing I knew I was good at and you always good at like writing, which makes no sense as you want to pursue photography. But I'm like, I have a skillset that I know these homeboys need. And so I was like, Hey, like I noticed your bio on your website. It needs a little refreshing. Do you think we could chat for an hour and all in turn, give you back whatever, a 2000 word article and you can turn that into a bio and you can turn it into, I'll show you how to turn it into a magazine , um , bed or like a , like a whatever they give. Like, like they kind of put these Gibson and formats, like they'd pitch an editor like about their story or whatever it is . I can put it in that format, I can put it as a bio and I can turn it into a blog post. And so there I had the opportunity to meet with photographers and they were just telling me their whole life history, how they got in, what they learned. And I was asking questions. It'd be like, you're my mentor and you don't even know. And so then at the end of that, a week later, our turnover, they're like magazine submission. I'll turn over a bio and I would turn over blog posts all from that conversation. And they were like, dang Jasmine , thank you so much. Like when can we do this again? And I was just like, well, if you ever need help carrying sandbags , I'm your girl. Like that's what I did again and again and again. And like, I kinda sorta knew that I could do video. I was terrible at it, but I'm like, Oh, I can kind of sort of do video and like to a photographer who needed video just behind the scenes documentation, I was like, can I go to your shoot? So I would go back and tell Jasmine, I'll tell anybody who's just getting started that somebody you want to work with offer value that you know they need, but they don't know how to ask for it. You're in all day.
Speaker 3That's the thing. A lot of people just pro provide their services without really figuring out, doing that backend research, figuring out, okay, they already have a ton of photography, but they're missing this. Like , I'm going to provide it in handed on a silver platter. Yeah. That's so strong. Um, I want to take it back for a second. Uh, I know you've talked about your story for like a million interviews and we don't have to go too deep into it. Um, but what I do want to talk about is how you went from top 10, top number one wedding photographer. What was it ? Top 10 , right ?
Speaker 4They just put, they just, they didn't, they didn't to note where you were . Number one basically is that they didn't say it. Yes. Number one yet .
Speaker 3You're number one. So how did you go from top wedding photographer to just complete pivot brand strategists or business strategist to finally starting social curator? Why did, why did you make that pivot?
Speaker 4I think it's, I want to say this. I know it's gonna sound like a humblebrag. Okay. So I know that and it's like annoying and I want to punch myself in the face, but there's one thing of being, okay. So I started, I opened my very first digital camera in January 1st, 2006 so to be, you know , voted the top 10 wedding photographer in 2009 and then in 2010 voted top five most influential photographer. And then 2012 voted top five most socially influential photographer, like all of this stuff was coming because I was creating an experience within a community and it was a tiny, tiny niche. And I kind of just want it . There was, well at first it started with weddings and then it expanded into photography overall. So it's like most influential photographers, lightning was up there with like really big names. And so when this is, and of course a big debacle started, why is she on there? Like there's other people and I'm like, yo, it was an eye . It was a vote . It wasn't a homecoming. Like I'm out there pitching like people voted sorry you disagree with my influence, but it is what it is. I take it up with like photo district news magazine. Um, but you know , um , and then Huffington post named all photographers, like there's beginning photographers on there and then people had an issue, why aren't there more women? And I was like, I would just think to say in the top 10, I am the only woman, the only Brown person. So there you go. So what happens with this is the thing that I want to talk about, not because it's like that sounds cool, but because how important it is as a creative to own a small space and really love that space. Because when you dominate a really tiny, tiny sector, you can then expand lotteries laterally. So this goes back into the pivot. So I didn't go from, I'm shooting weddings do all of a sudden brand strategy and business strategy like it was, let me slowly expand through these concentric circles. So the nucleus was wedding photography. That was my golden egg. And then after that I started teaching for typographers how to run a better business, created really affluence and influence in the photographic community. Much to the chagrin of a lot of people I was not popular for like in a lot of sectors and a lot of ways. Um, but when you continue to show up in the face of opposition in the face of people who really can't stand you and you continue to do it and you end up on the winning side, everybody shuts up. It's like how many of us are willing to do that? How many of us are willing to get our arses handed to us again and again and again and then it's amplified on social. Oh man, those keyboard warriors just want to rip you a new one. And so the pivot happened because started off with photographers, teaching them how to build a better business and then slowly went into creatives, videographers, graphic designers, jewelry makers, and then over time building like legitimacy and credibility overall like business is business. But I could never walk in and say I'm a business strategist without really showing again and again how the that the market got bigger and bigger and bigger for me. And now I get up on the stage and I don't care what you sell, weren't talking about business, I'll help you build a better business. And that sounds like really swag. But like I've been in the game, like I get it. Like come at me bro . Come at me with your funeral home. Come in with your dog cutting studio. Come and meet with your dentist. Come up with your photographer. I got you. It's like how hard you want to work.
Speaker 3Funeral . If you know how to sell you not to sell ,
Speaker 4but you know, and actually I would take, I would pay, I would tap there . I keep on saying tap. Why? I think it sounds good. It's like tap, tap, tap here. Yeah. Like dang. No, I actually don't think it fails. I don't think I'm very good at sales. I'm really freaking good at creating connection and people buy by and large out of emotion. Can I create an emotional connection? Watch me all day, twice on Sunday. Can I sell? Probably not. Can I make you feel something that makes you, gives you the desire to think that would be the solution for your praying or pleasure? Yes . Well, absolutely. But in the digital age and the where the currency is right now, like if you don't move people emotionally, you're never really hard time selling now . So I'm just like, why are you out here trying to be like , I'm taking this selling workshop on like trip wires and what the five key things to say. It's like, good luck booboo . Sit there for five years and you're gonna realize that you just have a real conversation and you offer something of value. You're inline Flint.
Speaker 3Yeah. Personal branding. 100% absolutely. Yeah. Is that, is that your big driver for social curator? Actually, before we get into that, what, what made you start social security later from the gecko? Well , what was the light bulb? What was the moment? What was, you know, a few hours before the light bulb hit? Or was it like a continuous,
Speaker 4I was definitely getting there . You know, it's like, you know, they say like, what's it like to be an overnight success? I've only taken 10 years to get here. Um, yeah. It's like, it was never like, I wish it was like that lightening idea. That would be freaking awesome. It was like, it was probably, it was, I can honestly say it was probably a year and a half of it fielding the same questions again and again and again without knowing how to solve them. So what happens was I start teaching people how to use Instagram for their business. I started teaching people how to build a brand and market on social media and people now have been like, Oh, Jasmine is on Instagram. I was like , uh, out here on LinkedIn and on Facebook and on YouTube and on Twitter, like still banging all the drums and that's what I'm about. Like everybody, I don't care if you're like a post man , a teacher, a soccer coach, everybody's building a personal brand. A brand is an experience. It's what you make somebody feel. Now there are people who do it in business and if you make people feel a certain way, you can successfully sell to them. Fine. But like the reason we started social curator was because every time I came to somebody and I was like, this is what you gotta do for your business. I got you. This is it. Like this is the keys of the kingdom. And they would come back and they would be like, yeah, but you see Jasmine, I'm not a photographer. I don't have those photos. You got that. And I was like, okay. Then I was like, no, no, no guys, this is how you make somebody feel something in a cabin. Well , you see Jasmine, I just don't know what to say. Like I'm burned out, I work all day. I don't have time to think of something Woody for. Right. And the third thing that I would hear again and again and again, like this is what you gotta do. Will you see Jasmine? I'm just not sure if that's current. I don't want to do what everybody's doing yesterday. So for like a year and a half I'm like, I keep on hearing these questions and I can keep on coming back to people, but I'm like, there has to be a way to scale these pressure points. So my husband and I were walking the dog and I guess this would be the lightening point. After we had gone around and round and round and round, we actually thought we were going to come out with a kit. Like a box of like social media props. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 5Yeah. Let's talk about bad ideas here. We're like sitting on inventory like we live in like California Southern California. Be the most expensive place. I'm like, I'm just going to have like an 18,000 square foot warehouse to store props for social media. Yeah, we went down there. That was bad idea ideas. You're so happy you didn't do, and so we thought about it ,
Speaker 4this idea like these are the pressure points. You don't have photos, you don't know what to say and you're tired of just like spinning your wheels. And we're like, well what if we created stock photography for specific industries in people? And then like what if we created captions that people can fill in the blank or capture the people like, Oh, this is a framework. I see what she's trying to do here and let me make it my own. And then every month you just have a clean marketing plan like yo, like this month at the time of recording we're going through how to repurpose your content because this is a thing I hear from a lot of times people are like, I don't have time to create content. So it was like, this is my strategy, this is what I do, this is how you tap into different people at different times. It's just like you're doing one thing, but you're scaling that. So social curator became the answer to people's pressure points. We heard again and again and lucky for us it seems like we hit,
Speaker 3yeah , they wrote it for you. Pretty much. I mean any kind of course I always get a question like especially from course creators, people putting out products, they , they always think that they have to just build it. This whole massive thing first and they don't even know if it's something that people,
Speaker 4Oh Lord, it's like stop, stop. When you look at, when you look at the blueprint, like it's quite a creative blueprint. When you look at that and you look at the first iteration, are you like,
Speaker 5dang, I can't believe I put that out there. Right. I can't believe somebody paid me for that. I'm proud of it. Like the first version of
Speaker 4curator , like hot mess for sure. And like thousands of people were like, thank you so much. And I was like, Oh, okay, we only going up. So that's good. It's anybody who's listening, just start it. It will be bad. It'll be ugly. It'll be wonky. But the people who stick with you, they're going to be ride or die for awhile .
Speaker 3Yeah. I think the only, the only reason why I've even come as far as I have is just from being in the right environment and the right bubble and having the right people around me. Um, how important is that to you having the right people, your team, J D , how important is that to you?
Speaker 4It's the life and soul. It's just everything. Like, you know, I won't be the first person to say like the people, the five people you spend the most time with dictate your outlook and capabilities and those people teach you how to ask better questions. Those people call you out. Those people push you, those people , um, tether you, those people cut things back and say you're doing too much or this isn't the right path. Or they challenge you, just somebody to come up and be like, are you sure this is right thing? And one of two things happen. You defend yourself so successfully that you're just like, watch me. And other times you're like, you know what? They just brought up some real good points. Like this is not a good idea. Right ? So how important are those people? They're everything and for people who are listening and you feel like I don't have that person you don't have because you do not seek like it exists. Like I will say that the five people I spend the most time with now are not the same by people that I spent the most time with five years ago. Right ? What's a very bittersweet thing to say, but who you surround yourself with, it really raises the bar changes things energetically, idea wise, execution wise, vision wise. So if you're looking for those people, they exist. You just have to work really hard to find them. And people are like, but how start up on Facebook groups start off on Instagram. Hashtags like if there's somebody you really want to be down with them , they're like having to be in your same neck of the woods. You should be voting on every poll that they put out on Instagram. You should be liking and liking a photo. Ain't the same as living in comment . If you're really down for them and you want to get their attention, leave a comment more than four words. Every single time they post watch, just watch, just watch.
Speaker 3Yeah. I mean another getting in, getting outside of the bubble sometimes because we're so in it all the time. Like this is our world, this is, this is, this is just like normal, right? Yeah . Do you ever get outside the bubble and you're like, Holy shit, my life is amazing. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4Oh, I mean you're talking about a girl whose family's from East LA, right ? Right . Yeah. Right. Like , yeah, like look at now you , you in LA now like I've moved , I'm like in the OSI, but in LA, Los Angeles is divided into quadrants. You have a West LA, that's where you be . That's where everybody drives a European cars and be looking European. You have East LA, that's Mexicans. You have um, South LA, predominantly African American. And like those areas are so clearly marked by race and so socioeconomic status, like when we say get out of the bubble, it's like, yeah, let me go to my dad's church. Like that's just real talk. Like that's just like working, working class. These are people who are getting by. Like nothing is more grounding than being around people who are so freaking happy with so little like that's a reality check. We out here, everybody's filled with like plastic and it's like, Oh my God, my Ferrari's, not that late in front of the hospital. What is going on. You know? It was just like, wow, let's get calibrated. Folks. Like getting out of the bubble is something that I do often, infrequently because I've never identified myself as being in the bubble ever. And now that I can say like, Oh well I have whatever, a car, a certain zip code, a certain house, it's never felt like I have been belonging in this area and I'm fine with that. I think it helps me like stick out.
Speaker 3Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean it's , it's important to look back at how far you've come instead of how far you have to go. And I'm not, I'm not even talking about just poor areas, I'm just talking about people with different mindsets, you know what I mean? They could be extremely wealthy, but they're just so negative, you know what I mean? So that's , that's kinda what I meant with the bubble . Totally.
Speaker 4So when you're around people who are always like upleveling and thinking about like things and like thinking that like you come from abundance instead of lack. I have been spoiled because sometimes I get around a group of people and it's like everything's happening to them, right ? Like they didn't have this or they don't have that. Or if they just got noticed and I'm like, wait a minute. Like you can walk this earth and think that things happen to you or he could walk this earth and things , things happen for you. Right? Like if somebody else has done the thing you want to do with less, you have zero excuse not to do the same thing. How bad do you want it?
Speaker 3Right? See, I think that mindset so obvious now, but that's because I'm in the bubble all the time. Every day I'm with positive people. I'm with you. I'm with Catherine , Brent, like all these people that just think that way. And then as soon as you get out, you're like, Oh great . It's kind of shocking.
Speaker 4Yeah. And then sometimes people think that you're just like crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 5You know, sometimes I feel like me, like when I talked to J D as like, listen , we recorded this podcast. It was a very
Speaker 4personal podcast and it was like documenting us, adopting our daughter, and we had this private conversation. And then when I was coming out, I was like, dang, people are gonna listen to this. And they're going to think like, we're really crazy engineers . Like I know they're gonna think we're crazy, but we've always been this crazy. I'm like, you're right. You're right.
Speaker 5Like cheers crazy. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Speaker 3Yeah. Um, speaking of of JD Luna, getting back to how your schedule is now, how has it changed? Are you just like, Oh my God, everything is just a clean slate now. No . A clean slate. It's like,
Speaker 5no , no , not just
Speaker 3completely just deleted events and things off of your calendar or just what does your schedule look like now?
Speaker 4Yeah, so just bring everybody up to speed. We had been , uh , in within the adoption process for years and um, then we got like 24 hour notice. And so we had no, yeah , yeah . Like the baby was born and they were like, Hey, there's a baby in Las Vegas. Do you want the baby? And we were just like, Oh, this isn't a movie. Like it's a , so we packed our bags literally in like 37 minutes. We just got like rant . We just threw everything in bags and they said, it'll just be out there for like five days. And so you Pat for five days and you think, Oh, it's going to be amazing. Lots of things that happen . Things that were unexpected, things threw us for a loop. We ended up , um , having to stay in Vegas for like two and a half weeks. So we were living in a hotel for two and a half weeks and we would not have stayed in a hotel had we knew well you see that until your corn . Yeah .
Speaker 5Like it's Vegas. Like I was like, you go out to Vegas. I was like, yo, Vegas is cool for three days
Speaker 4that you're like, Oh, another buffet awesome came out . No. So , um, because of that we had , we had no advance warning and because I do take in burrs and meetings and things of that nature to cancel a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff. But thankfully I have a virtual team so we were able to keep up on that front. But like getting back home, that's when you're just like, Oh God, it just got real. So you know, it's us trying to figure out like how do we balance Parenthood and who is responsible for Luna when, and that was just been like a whole tag team effort and like poor sweet J D he said, I'll take the night shifts because you need to be like , and that's great. And then that son of a gun, I'm telling you, he just brings in like such good stuff. Our baby sleeps like six hours stretches. Like she falls asleep like at 10 and then she's good until like, I can't even do math. 11, 12 one, two.
Speaker 5It's like more like four and he chooses a diaper and he feeds her and then they sleep until like seven 30.
Speaker 4I was like, okay one, I'm so happy for benevolence, but two you got real lucky son. He got real like she's a freaking gem man. She's awesome. She's awesome. Oh my God , she's awesome. Wow. But as far as like balancing, that was the question. I'm not , we're not here to talk about how rad she is even though she is. Um, it really is about every morning we have to sit down and say like, what are the nonnegotiables and for him he was like, I need a haircut. And I was like, Oh, I'm teaching a mastermind class this afternoon. And I was just like, okay, got to get the bottle, got to get the diaper gotta get everything and then just gotta be real. Like, this is new for us. Like I was not planning on teaching a mastermind with a baby sleeping here, but here I am doing it and I don't think it will be that way. Obviously we'll find a way to like balance it better. But right now we're in the thick of it and you just gotta make it work.
Speaker 3Well people love it though. I'm sure if you pop on with with Luna, they're going to eat that shit. Yeah , no . Um, I did see and , and I, I was pissed off for you and you were extremely pissed off, but I started, well, I saw your Instagram story about the criticism, unsolicited advice of parents and I was like, come on, like out of like everything, like that's gotta be the worst out of everything.
Speaker 4The worst though word .
Speaker 3How do you handle, I mean, I love what you said. I mean you were like crossing the line. Like I love you guys. But
Speaker 5yeah , I mean, and I,
Speaker 4I think that's why I've been a little like not a little, we've been very judicious with what we're sharing about our family and with Luna. And because it's like the more you talk about it, the more you give permission to have an opinion about it. And I ain't trying to hear anybody's opinion. Yeah . And so you know, there was one like Facebook live that we had done and listen, I am a new mom and I had 24 hours notice to figure out that I was going to be a mom. So if I had been placed, I could read those books. Like what to expect when you're expecting, what's the growth phases, what you should be doing. I didn't do any of that. So all of a sudden I get this little piece of like human jello who's like, life is dependent on me and I'm trying to make it work given 24 hours notice. So I'm still continuing to do my business. Like this is what I do, this is my higher calling. This is my purpose. So my priorities are God, my family, and my business. If you see me doing something outward facing in my business, you have to know that my priorities are correct. So if I decide to do a Facebook live and my baby is sleeping next to me and in the middle of my Facebook live , my daughter wakes up and is like me and I give her a pacifier. And somebody like, you should not be doing this Facebook live . You should be with your daughter. These moments are fleeting. You show up . And I'm like, excuse me, my baby was sleeping. Like I could touch her and see her. There's no reason that anybody should be having an opinion and I'm going to do me and there's not going to be a greater thing than for my daughter to see her mom pursue her dreams and may my ceiling be her floor. I will sit there in boardrooms with my baby. Y'all better come. Correct cause this is my life now. And there has to be, you know, and then I think that it's tethered because a lot of women are like, Oh my gosh Jasmine, thank you so much for showing us what's possible. And I'm like, Whoa, I am not trying to be the Joan of arc of mompreneurs out there. Right. But I'm like, I'm just doing me. So like let me do me and let me figure it out without your judgment. But here's the thing, I know the judge is going to come and when my business keeps on growing and when my daughter loved me and when my daughter is healthy and when she's on flights with me and when she's doing the dang thing with me, y'all can still have opinions but I'm not gonna let your opinion stop me or my daughter from doing we're supposed to do. Were you expecting that at all? Zero. You're just like, no one is ever like emotionally it and there's times where I like, I want to take like a picture of her or put out in a story and then I'm like, Oh God, I'm going to have to deal with the mom brigade. Her head is not right. You buckled her in wrong. One of the safety hazards of having multiple pacifiers in there and I'm just like, listen, I did , my parents drove us around without seat like that seat . Like we weren't even in child carriers, like my dad's car would. We consistently break down here, this Volkswagen bug and the backseat didn't even have like the pleather lining that bugs have. Like you could see the Springs and the coils and the crap and we could look down and see the road underneath us. My dad would drive down our ghetto street and he would honk his broken horn and all the neighborhood kids would pile on the top of his hood and he would drive us down. Like we were in the freaking Rose parade and we're like waving in seven. I look back and I'm like, yo, my parents were really jacked up and I came out pretty good. My daughter's freaking fine. I slept in a drawer. My parents brought out a drawer. Do you know that's true story that was faxed ? My mom just told us that a couple days ago. And so I'm just like, listen, I'm people, I'm fine. Love covers a multitude of parents , parental transgressions. I am here for it.
Speaker 3Yeah, I didn't know that. Wow. So how do you, so how do you deal with haters? Do you have a mental process or is that something just more repetition for you? Actually, for me, I'm used to it. I embrace it except for, well I'm not parent, but I could imagine I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to shake somebody. It's another line. Give me, yeah.
Speaker 4So at the risk of sounding super cliche, VAV , the heaters have made me really good. The haters have made me better than the people who just liked me for me, because the heaters will only ever say one of two things. One, something that's like patently aligned, false and so stupid that you're just like, eh , dust , dust off your shoulders. But they'll say something. Sometimes it has a kernel of truth that hurts like a mofo. But when somebody calls you out in love or in hate, the truth still remains. And so if I see that and I'm like, dang, they're right, I got to come correct and I got to beat the crap before it slung at me. And I can say, you know what, I did come across this way. I did say this, this, I didn't consider it like yo hater what you meant for evil. God has turned for good and watch me continue to bloom like legit. So you know, shout out to the haters. May you continue linking at me and tagging?
Speaker 3Yeah, it's, I dunno I think, I think haters are a good thing. My buddy Nick bear , he runs a supplement company and he always talked about when he was getting a lot of criticism, his business was growing and it was like this weird thing,
Speaker 4frustration with the friend today. I was just like, it always sucks whenever, whenever there's like a PR nightmare or like a storm or just like you open your mouth and crop's going to fly in like you're in like the tornado of it all. Yeah . In all of those situations in my business, cause it's happened multiple times, the business had never done better because there were so much attention. What started off as negative attention. So what I discovered after going through it is that there's going to be a group of people who absolutely hate you and they're just going to light you on fire and they're gonna be talking about you so much with vitriol and venom that people on the outsiders , like who is this person? Then they go to your business, your profile, and then they get to make a decision and they might totally disagree with the hater and they end up buying the thing you're selling. Never has my business done better than when all the haters were falling effect. Yeah, it sucks. It stings. It hurts. Like you can't sleep at night. It makes you want to throw up like I'm losing it . I was literally, I couldn't keep my food down. I was losing hair. I'm going to a therapist and so I was like, what's the point of having lots of money when you feel like that crappy, but what I didn't know then is that like you will get through, I literally would think like this is the end of my business. Like I'm done. Like , and I thought that like on one big, big, big instance, 2014 2015 and I was like zit and like studies have shown like a very primal sense is when somebody threatens your home or your family or your sustenance, like you go crazy, like you legitimately like I'm going to, I'm going to shank somebody. And at that time I felt like every, they were threatening all of that and I just couldn't think straight. Like I literally was just like, I'm freaking jacked up. I'm sad, I'm depressed, who cares that we have a lot of money, it's done. And you know, every time something really serious and really bad has happened within the business in that capacity, I've been able to like show up again. And they think that that if anything is what was created allegiance for a lot of people, they're like, dang, we didn't think you'll bounce back from that here . You hear that's powerful. And I think that that, I hope that that shows other people like what's possible.
Speaker 3Yeah, well it's just deflecting. I love what Bernay Brown says about the arena. Do you remember that speech theater. Roosevelt. Oh my God .
Speaker 4You're sitting in , if you're sitting in the stands, I ain't trying to hear you. You on the floor getting your ass kicked. Then we can talk until then. Except for parenting.
Speaker 1You know what can
Speaker 4say something real quick, because this is the thing that like I'm definitely working through is if you don't want people to have an opinion about your parenting or your kid, don't put them out on social. Yeah. Because when you do like social , it's an invitation. It's an invitation so you can get, you can flex, but they're going to come at you sideways. So the least that you do it, the less that you're giving them as fodder. Right . And this is where I'm at right now and I'm like, you know, I do think I will incorporate my daughter into whatever certain aspects. But no, it won't turn into like a very personal look at who I am as a parent. And then people are gonna have opinion about that anyway. Oh, she doesn't post pictures of daughter cause she's not with her by like just by like as I respond to your DM and she's strapped to my chest with her pacifier. Yeah . But Nope.
Speaker 3Um, I want to talk about some of your mentors really quick. Are we good on time? Yeah . Like nine minutes.
Speaker 1Wow . This is a blast, man. I'm like, Oh, we're 30 minutes then
Speaker 3fire through these. Um, I know you're , I know you're a big fan of Gary V.
Speaker 4Oh my God. Stop right now. Stop right now. I'm not even a fan of him. I love him. I like, no , it's creepy. And my husband is all for it too . I think he's, I think he's fricking a spot . I think he's like, yeah ,
Speaker 3well he's made one of the biggest impacts in people's lives. It's pretty, it's insane. Um , so I know he's a very big deal in your life and I also know that you have James Wedmore as a, as a mentor. And those two people
Speaker 4are so different. So I know, I know
Speaker 3my eyes. I'm like, huh. How do you incorporate the two into what you do when you two opposite
Speaker 4mentors . I think that's great, but I think it was, it was Thomas Jefferson or Abraham Lincoln. He wanted to fill his presidential candidate with people who were so opposite so that he could see the extremes of the opinion and come up with something that he felt was representative of the nation. And I feel like it is in our best interest to surround ourselves with people who do not think like us and who do not process like us and who pushes to such limits that you're like patently, I disagree with you. And all of a sudden you walk away and you're like, well , maybe we have a point. And that is truly who Gary Vaynerchuk on one of the spectrum and James Wedmore on the opposite end of the spectrum. But both of them have wildly successful businesses. They're both happy and content in what it is that they do anything . They're emblematic walking icons of living their own life in their own way. Now it's my objective to figure out where I fall in that spectrum. But James is like so powerful in saying that success isn't the outcome. Success is the decisions that we made to get what we got. Can you look back at that and be so far removed from what your goal was to say, dang, I showed up bigger and better than ever before. I can't control the outcome. I can control how I showed up. Right . And then you have Gary on the opposite end and it's just like grind until you get it. And I like clearly align like as as the daughter of an immigrant, as a girl from the hood, like yeah, I totally see that. So both of them are so heavily needed and like the mind, body, soul connection that James is so in tuned with and the stories we tell ourselves, like I believe that with lots of great, like with lots of great therapy, a lot of self work, but actual actually having him as an in person business mentor to call me out on like the lies, the stories. Like there was a conversation that he had. He's like, Jasmine, I'm not going to sit with you if you want to fight for your limitations, go right ahead. And I was like,
Speaker 3you don't know me . And I was like,
Speaker 4Oh my God, I'm fighting for my limitations. Yeah . So you need people like that. And you know, like I invested heavily to work closely with James and I've invested heavily to work as close as possible with Gary. Whatever is allowed to. But all of us have the accessibility to people that we look up to for nothing. Even though I'm not working with Gary or not working with James at the moment, like I listen to their podcast, I read their book was I follow them on social like mentors or free depending on how hard do you want to work. Yeah ,
Speaker 3I love that. That was, I was just curious personally when you showed up some homework . Try . I love it. Alright , we got it . We got a few more questions. We got like five minutes. Take your time. Like walking around the studio, like showing you stuff. Go give me an extra five. Absolutely. I just have, yeah , I just have to pick up something locally, but it's all there. Okay. Okay. Let's just do them there . They're kind of, they're quick. If there's something you're out on, what is it right now? What are you missing out on, if anything?
Speaker 4Oh, you have one team. Well, so we have, okay, so this goes back to, and this has been like a very weird growing period is like social. Yeah. Social curator has its team and like I feel like when can Jasmine star? Like I'm referring to myself as third person, but really that entity build out like a structure. Cause like right now I feel like I'm doing a ton of that stuff and I feel like,
Speaker 3yeah . Yeah. So you need to get rid of that. Okay. Um, that's interesting. What takes away your energy?
Speaker 4Oh, energy vampires. People who just like to talk a lot to hear their voice about parenting. About, yeah. It was just like, you know, it's like people who just have opinions about opinions. I just find myself really attracted to people who can talk and listen in the same, in the same frequency. Like how much you talk and when you're thoughtful you speak and that kind of stuff gives me life. Yeah . Well you're very self aware, you know, I actually do think that somebody listened to the podcast and they could definitely say, Oh that annoys Jasmine is probably annoying doesn't because that's the thing she possesses. Like I'm like I really liked to be in here. I am like talking of this storm. So Hey, I called you out for all you doubters. Okay. I see it too . Okay . Okay.
Speaker 3Um, what used to be a big deal to you that isn't anymore.
Speaker 4Uh, I'll tell you a Louis Vuitton purse. Really? Yeah . Like to me, no , you don't give a shit. I don't like at all at all. And there's like, I studied this in college, it's like the reason why like boys in the hood would wear like baseball caps with like the holographic sticker on it . It was like to show people like it's legit. Like I'm not carrying the hot stuff off the street and like for me to carry a bag with like status on the outside meant like I had arrived. And then the minute that I had actually arrived, I didn't carrying more . Like I don't want to look rich, I want to be rich, you know, like it just changes . And so , yeah , I mean , so people now are going to hate and be like, Oh, Jasmine , you're walking through a Louis Vuitton . Yeah. For like the past decade it's been the same bag. Thank you very much. I'm home . I'm straight.
Speaker 3Oh my God. I know. Weird. I know . It's weird. I mean, it's, yeah, I mean, I couldn't imagine where I'm at right now. Like two , even two and a half years ago. Yeah. And now I'm here. I'm like, I don't know. It's crazy. I was, I was having a talk with Brennan and we were in his RA and he's thinking about upgrading until like a McLaren. And I'm like, dude, do you know what I would do to kill
Speaker 4[inaudible] there ?
Speaker 3It doesn't matter. You're onto the next. So interesting. Last question for you and then, and then we're gonna boot you off here. Um, if you had, well you already have it now, but all the money in the world success, the business, everything. What would a perfect day look like to you from wake up to going to bed and are you living that right now? Perfect day.
Speaker 4I feel like, I think since becoming a mom I get like super email. Like nothing would make me cry. Like my friends would say, like my team literally says Jasmine eats rocks for breakfast and I do okay. Um, you know, my family, like they're like tap on her chest, it's hollow, you know? Um, and then all of a sudden an advocate and I get super emo . I felt like that question just kind of like hit struck a nerve because I'm like, I'm literally living my dream life and I don't know if I, if I understand the gravity of that because living your dream day is hard. Like living your dream day takes a lot of work. Like my dream day is getting up and walking the dog with my husband and my daughter and that is clearing out my responsibilities for the team, not being beholden is enjoying coffee. We ran out of coffee this morning and I Uber eats coffee to my door like do you know like that, that privilege. Like I walked out and slippers and I think the guy who delivered an Americano and I walked in my house and then I plan out my day and I write social media, which is what I love to do and I made a video and I taught a master class and I did two podcasts. I got in a car, I drove down PCH, Pacific coast highway, Toledo. I'm looking over the water, having an inspiring conversation. Tonight I will go and meet somebody to talk about something personal for my family. Go and meet my husband in my daughter and enjoy dinner. I couldn't imagine that anything better and yet I'm running out of the house being like, do you have everything? Do I have those directions on me ? Grab that. Did you get the gift card? Did you already think you had like that's in it too. So I think that when we craft our dream day, which is what I did three years ago, I read school of greatness and it is an exercise that Louis had you write out. And I didn't believe that three years later I could live the dream life. And the thing that I want to say now as an addendum to anybody's listening, anybody can do that exercise, which is truly powerful because in order for it to become reality, you have to imagine it. So I imagined my dream day and I get the dream day. The addendum is, it's not perfect and it still takes work. But can you go to bed and rest your head and be like, dang. Like I am doing the thing I want to do. And my answer is yeah. And then that makes me so happy.
Speaker 3That's amazing. Do you, last question. Are you afraid to lose it? Yes. Every day affects you every day, every day . As soon as your head hits the pillow to go night night, he's
Speaker 4like every day. And that's a byproduct of how I was raised. And that's just something, but like you lose anything you don't own. And when you think about that, like what do you own your mind? That's it. Yeah , that's it. So I always think and, and , and, and like when my husband and I first got married, we literally had no money. We don't come from money. That's nothing that we ever knew. It was nothing that was ever known. Our date nights we're sharing, you know, $1 combo meal from this Chinese restaurant and like us like splitting a fortune cookie. This is us driving like, you know, a 22 year old Honda accord to client meetings where I would park around the corner in West Los Angeles and then walk in, you know, so that like, Oh, you can't really see what I'm going to be . This is like me getting a black marker to my shoes and like covering the scuffs like, and we were freaking happy. I wasn't starving. We were laughing, we were traveling , we were having a road trips. And I think to myself, go back there and you could be that happy. Take it, take it all. I built it once, I'll build it again and if I could be happy throughout the process and I've won. And that's the thing I tell myself again. Again, not to fear it. If it happens I'll be fine. I don't want it to , but I'll be fine.
Speaker 3Once you get a little taste, it's hard to try to let it go. That's beautiful though. I'm working. Where can people follow you?
Speaker 5Uh , Jasmine, star.com and all social media, Jasmine star, social security and social curator and and yo , yo, yo the Jasmine star show. Hey fellow podcasters in the room. Well thank you Jasmine. I really appreciate this so much.
Speaker 3You inspire me so much and, and for you to take time out of your day after everything that's been going on. I appreciate you. I'm watching you all the time and taking notes. So yeah, it's very appreciative. Thank you.
Speaker 5Welcome back. Thank you. Does that Kravitz for allowing us to share this episode from rambling radio with you? I love this conversation and I hope you did too.
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