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How to Attract & Convert More Leads Without Feeling Salesy

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Leads. Clients. Sales. Growth. We all want them, but what’s the best way to get them?

Turns out, the answer isn’t more hustle—it’s better marketing. And in this episode, I’m breaking down the exact strategy that’s changing how I attract, nurture, and convert leads in 2025.

I recently attended a mastermind in Napa hosted by marketing legend Brendon Burchard, and one takeaway hit me hard: The key to marketing isn’t just selling—it’s creating belief, offering a better way, and building a sense of belonging.

That’s what we’re diving into today.

🔑 Here’s what you’ll learn in this short but powerful episode:

✅ The 3B Marketing Framework (Belief, A Better Way, and Belonging)

✅ Why changing your environment can change your business growth

✅ How to dazzle your leads (and why that’s essential for conversion)

✅ How I’m applying this framework to grow my leads in 2025

If you’ve been struggling to attract new leads—or feel like your marketing is falling flat—this episode is for you. Let’s transform your marketing and make 2025 your best year yet!

🔥 Action Step: After listening, tag me on Instagram @jasminestar and share your biggest takeaway!

Click play to hear all of this and:

[00:00] The Key to More Leads: It’s Not What You Think

[02:18] Why Changing Your Environment Changes Your Business

[05:07] The Difference Between a Rest Trip & a Recharge Trip

[07:23] The 3B Marketing Framework: Belief, A Better Way, Belonging

[10:24] The Power of Challenging Your Audience’s Beliefs

[13:20] How to Position Your Offer as the “Better Way”

[16:31] Why People Need to Feel Like They Belong (and How That Drives Sales)

[18:35] How I’m Implementing the 3B Framework in 2025

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Jasmine Star 00:00:00  Do they believe that your way is in fact a better way? Have you made it easy to understand? Is it simple? Because simplicity leads to conversations and conversations lead to conversions. Let's talk about leads, getting leads, cultivating leads, and closing those leads. Welcome to the Jasmine Star Show word. Today we talk about business and marketing. When I said today, I actually mean every episode is what we're focusing on. I always like to focus my intentions on yes, building a better business, but also becoming a better leader and a better person along the way. And I believe that better comes by way of education. And sometimes education makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable. I have to put myself in new rooms, new spaces, and with new people. But if I want change, I miss change. And one of the things that I discovered there is a podcast with Billy Jean, and I'm gonna link to it in the show notes.

Jasmine Star 00:00:51  But one of the things that he had said was so powerful and he was talking about some really cool marketing strategies, but one of the things that he said is, in order to change, you need to change your environment. And I don't know why that simple sentence really revolutionized what I did in 2024 to get out of my space and into new spaces. I'm gonna get to that in a second. But before we do, let's go back to our intention around leads. In 2025, I made the commitment to grow my leads. I needed to create and cultivate a new brand of people, a new set of people who are gonna be in my orbit and who I could serve. So I have a newsletter list and it has hundreds of thousands of people on it, but as the business changes, I need to also change the focus of who I'm serving.

Jasmine Star 00:01:36  And so of course, anybody who's on my list, I want to continue to serve. But if I want to grow and get new leads in a different way, I have to get new leads in a different way. So I have been slowly diversifying my business for the past two to two and a half years, but it's become very clear that I have a very strong direction and I know that I want to start running to it much faster than I have before in the last two years. And it makes me nervous to say, but it also makes me very excited to say, because it's taken us a minute to get here. So my leads and your leads, this is where we all intersect. These are simply people who might buy from us in the future. I don't look at a lead of something or someone that I need to close immediately.

Jasmine Star 00:02:18  In fact, I know that the longer I cultivate that relationship, the more likely they are to say yes when the right offer lands in their lap. So I have to believe that I have to earn a sale. I have to say, okay, this is going to be the thing that I believe is gonna make your business better. So once somebody becomes a lead, I believe this is my personal stance, it might not be for you, but this is what I'll tell you has worked for me very well. Well over a decade when somebody becomes a lead, I believe I have to dazzle them. Now I know you might hear that word and you're like, okay, that's really silly and ridiculous. Who needs to be dazzled? Have you ever walked into a wedding reception? Have you ever walked into like a storefront at the mall during Christmas?

Jasmine Star 00:02:57  Or have you ever gone somewhere on the 4th of July and you see a fireworks display that that kind of leaves you thinking, well, this was special. That's dazzling. And the art of dazzling takes a long time. But if I focus on how might I have you as a new lead come in and be slightly, oh, well that firework was special. That window display at Christmas was amazing. This wedding reception looks like it's gonna be a fun time. When somebody becomes a new lead, I believe I have to dazzle them. I believe I have to win them over. I don't believe that anybody who becomes a lead is automatically a fan of me or likes to buy from any of the businesses that I support or that I run or that I founded. Like it's our job and my job. I have to win them over. Essentially.

Jasmine Star 00:03:42  I have to earn their respect. And then once I earn their respect, I have to build trust. And after I build trust, I have to make them say yes, this is the thing that I want. So let's just take for example, the YouTube channel. I started my YouTube channel many years ago and then I stopped posting videos for two or three years. There was a group of people on the YouTube channel who subscribed when I started creating new content, they just, it didn't resonate with them. So I had to make the decision that if I want to get new people as subscribers on YouTube, well what did I have to do? What did I have to do specifically for my leads on YouTube? Because friends, this is exactly the same way that I look at getting new leads from a newsletter. I have to dazzle you, I have to win you over, I have to build your trust.

Jasmine Star 00:04:31  And when the time is right, I will make an offer that you say, well, you know what? This is exactly the thing that I need. So my question to you is, in your business, how are you doing that? Well, I'm gonna break it down, but I'm gonna break it down by way of a backend story to let you know that credit is due or credit is due, right? Like I started at the beginning episode, if you want to change, you have to change. And part of that change for me was getting in a new room around different people. And so during 2024, JD and I had conversations around creating differences in the types of trips that we were taking. We travel a lot in our lives and our business. And oftentimes I kept on saying, okay, we're gonna take a trip and we're gonna take a trip and we're gonna take a trip.

Jasmine Star 00:05:07  But now we've decided to change what we call them. Are we taking a rest trip or are we taking a recharge trip because a rest trip that's a vacation, that's where we, you know, eat copious amounts of guacamole and we just read books and we just hang out and we just be, that's resting. A recharge is stepping away from the things that we normally do. And while it might be cool to do things and experiences, it's a recharge in that we're asking how might we amplify what it is we're doing? How to get recalibrated. So in quarter four of last year, I just marked off four days in November and I marked off those days in August and I just said, I don't know why. I'm just gonna mark these four days in November because I'm gonna need time to recharge. I need blank space to think about the business.

Jasmine Star 00:05:51  Well then, lo and behold, the week before November, this is the third week in November, the week before I get a text message from a gentleman by the name of Brendan Burchard and we are talking about something else and he says, Hey, are you free to be in Napa next week? And anytime Brendan Burchard says, are you free? The answer is always yes. Because if there's anybody who knows the art of dazzling, it's Brendan Burchard. He's so finite to attention of details and experiences and he's so smart when it comes to marketing that I said, I have blank space on my calendar. I literally texted JD and I said, book us tickets to Napa because we're going and anytime he'd sell JD, we're gonna Napa. He's like, chin, chin baby, pull me some cab. Okay? So I knew that we were gonna go there and Brendan had said, let's go to Napa.

Jasmine Star 00:06:39  I'm gonna be getting a mastermind of people together. So all I knew was I said yes to being in Napa. I didn't know the intention. So if I don't know an intention, how could I ever meet my intention? So regardless of knowing what this mastermind was about, I said my intention is to have a clear plan of how I'm going to strategize new lead generation. And if there is a person who I trust to really speak into the process of new lead generation, it is Brendan Burchard. As you know, my commitment on this podcast is to put you in the room with me. So what I'm about to share are the three Bs of marketing principles by Brendan Burchard When it comes to marketing, this is what he suggests and this is what I focused on, how I'm gonna get new lead gen. Now here's the thing, he didn't go in there and he didn't have a mastermind on lead generation.

Jasmine Star 00:07:23  I just said, my intention is lead generation. How might I use what I want to get and distill it through things that he's sharing and talking about. So the three bases of marketing principles by Brennan Burchard, when it comes to marketing, you're not selling a product or service, you're selling belief. You're selling a better way and you're selling belonging belief a better way and belonging. Let's break them down one by one. The third B is belief. Now belief comes in two ways. Number one, the audience believes something about themselves. The audience might believe I am lazy. The audience might believe I'm active, the audience might believe I'm an achiever. The audience might believe I'm a failure. They have to believe. So in order for good marketing work, you have to know what do they believe. And then secondly, we have to have a central belief of what we are selling.

Jasmine Star 00:08:13  The audience has a belief about themselves and we have to have a belief about what we're selling. So every aspect of what we do, we need to establish belief. And if people don't know what you believe, they're going to be lost. So I'm gonna break this down in an example that I used when I came back from Napa, things that I immediately changed around these three B marketing principles. So I had a newsletter that was promoting a webinar to a live course experience called Your Biggest Launch Ever. In this newsletter, in this email, I needed to acknowledge a change of belief. So in the first paragraph of this newsletter, I had to change a belief. And so I went through and I was using Brendan's Brendan's advice

Jasmine Star 00:08:55  And I said, I believe you can sell a $19 PDF and create a six figure business. That is a tenet of what I believe. And I had to change somebody else's belief. 'cause somebody's looking at that and being like, I can never make six figures selling a $19 PDF. I had to change that belief. But first I had to acknowledge the belief about what they believe about themselves and then challenge the belief about what I believe. I believe you can make six figures on a 19 PDF. I'm an example of it and I've seen other people do it. Ah, I was going to send that email anyway, but now I was looking at through the three B framework. Now lemme give you another example. In the first five minutes of a keynote, I have to establish a belief. So in the first paragraph of a newsletter, what do I believe or what do you believe about you?

Jasmine Star 00:09:36  In the first five minutes of of a keynote, I'm gonna tell you I have a belief about something and I'm here to create interest, insight, or education. So I might start a keynote by saying, you might think a social media growth strategy is impossible in the era of TikTok ification, but I'm here to change your mind. I'm establishing a belief you believe it's not possible, I believe it is. And then I need to state my belief. You might not think it's possible. I think it's possible. Here's how. What are we doing? I'm changing a belief. Now we have to establish that they believe they have a problem and then we have to establish that they believe we have the solution. B is for belief. They believe something about themselves and that I have to establish a belief about what I believe. Then I have to establish they have a belief around a problem.

Jasmine Star 00:10:24  Let's go back to that newsletter example. The belief that they have a problem that they didn't actually know that they have is they didn't know that they believed like they never believed. They can sell a $19 PDF and make six figures of revenue. And then they have to believe that I have the solution. Well, I did it and I taught other people to do it. Cool. Now here's the thing that you need to answer. When it comes to marketing, what must they believe about themselves? If somebody doesn't believe that they have the ability to do X, to lose weight, to become a better parent, to become a better marketer, think about this in the context of your business. What do they have to believe about themselves and then what do they have to believe about you? They have to believe that they want or struggle with X.

Jasmine Star 00:11:07  You have to believe that your solution Y actually works. And then they have to believe, we have to ask what do they believe about the future? Because there's gonna be a group of people who open that newsletter and say, oh, I don't think I could sell a $19 PDF and make six figures. And then I have to say, I have the solution. And then I have to ask myself, what do they think about the future? There's going to be a group of people who read that and think in the future, there's no way that I make six figures. Great. This offer isn't for you. For the people who believe, I think I have what it takes. Now I'm building out a more qualified lead that leads us to being number two, which is a better way. Now we need to explain this better way. The thing that you're selling or promoting it is a better way of them doing something.

Jasmine Star 00:11:52  Even if they haven't tried it before, or even if they have tried it, it's better than what they've done. So if you truly believe that it is the better way, then you're going to have to repeat it. And this is the key to marketing. You have to say the same thing a lot of times, many different ways because when you establish it as a recurring central point, I believe you can make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars selling digital products. I believe that I have done it, but it's not just enough for me to say I believe it, I've done it. I have to say that this is a better way because I've taught other people to do the same thing. Six and seven figures of revenue off digital products. Now then if we say this is a better way, in order for us to show that it's a better way, we have to address what's already out there.

Jasmine Star 00:12:40  I'm not the only person who would ever think or believe that people can use their knowledge and create a digital product of it. I'm not. But what I need to say is this is the established way. These are other ways, these are other people who do it and that's fine and great, but this is a better way. And then I have to explain why. And that's what starts defining and redefining how our offer is different in the marketplace. So now the more obvious your better way becomes, the more conversions you have. So for instance, if I'm saying I have a better way to lose weight and it will take you six months and it'll take restrictive eating and uh, you're gonna have to work out and you're gonna have to meal plan and you're not gonna have any alcohol and people are like, that's your better way.

Jasmine Star 00:13:20  Well it is if you wanna have a better, stronger life. But there's also a group of people who say, I have a better way with GLP one, right? We're talking about glide, we're talking about all the other um, the ozempic options. Now here's the thing, it doesn't mean that that's the better way, but somebody who's advertising that will say this is a better way because it takes less time and less effort to get this similar result. Now listen, don't come at me sideways around what's this, that or another. I understand I am just literally giving an example around how you can frame a better way. Well, you have a lifestyle that's going to require a restriction. People say that's the better way. That's great, that's just as awesome. Then there's other people say this is a better way. Then there's other people who are saying, well, paleo is the better way.

Jasmine Star 00:14:01  Well, intermittent fasting is a better way, no problem. But the easier it is for a consumer to understand your better way, the more conversions you'll have. I'm not here to talk about what you think is a better way. I'm just saying the easier it is for them to understand, the better way the more conversions that you're going to get. So what the best marketers do is establish the old way, acknowledge the old way, celebrate the old way, and then say this is the better way. Now we're gonna get onto the third B. So the first B was belief. What do they believe about themselves? What do they be about you? What do they believe about their solution and what do they believe about the future? Then there is the better way explicitly stating what the better way is acknowledging the old way, but saying the better way is definitively different and better because, and repeating that again and again.

Jasmine Star 00:14:51  Now we're in the third beat and that's belonging. Now this is where this part of this podcast, you know it's, this one's gonna be short and sweet, but this is where it gets a little warm and fuzzy and people are like, Ooh, no, I'm gonna tell you, when you are selling an offer period, you are also selling belonging. Now, I don't care if you're selling running shoes because you know what you're selling into, right? You're selling into the belief that that person is a runner. I don't care if you're selling uh, group coaching because what they believe about themselves is that in that group coaching program, they were going to learn how to put their sleep training to work with their baby. Okay? So people are joining into a group mission. Even if you're selling skincare, what's the mission? You're enrolling people in better skin youth turning back the clock of time.

Jasmine Star 00:15:40  Now you are not selling just your product or service, you're selling into a vision. So remember how we talked about these are the three bs of good marketing, but I was looking at through this, the lens of good marketing for lead generation. So I had to go back and I had to define what am I getting people involved or enrolled in? What is this group mission? What is this new belief that I need to share with a new or different group of people? Now, over time, our marketing has become bland because I hadn't clearly defined this is the person I'm going to serve. Now all the people in all the ways the shapes and colors are invited to this party. But the clear I became around who I served and what I was building in the future, I am then able to reconfigure my marketing according to the three Bs.

Jasmine Star 00:16:31  And when I reconfigured the marketing to the three Bs in terms of lead generation. Now I looked at every form of lead generation. I am talking about a funnel, an optin, a webinar, a challenge when I was a guest on a podcast, when I host my own podcast, every single arm of what I am doing to attract attention for my business endeavors is a form of marketing. Now, my marketing has been refined through the three Bs and the three Bs became a lot more effective when I know exactly who it is I'm targeting. So if you are looking to build new leads, hey, let me just save you two and a half years of a little back and forth. Who are you targeting? What do they believe about themselves? What do they believe about you? And what do they believe about their capacity for the future? Then you are gonna move into a better way. Do they believe that your way is in fact a better way? Have you made it easy to understand? Is it simple? Because simplicity leads to conversations and conversations lead to conversions. And once they believe in that better way, how you get them to stick, how you get them to stay on, how you get them to return and buy other things in your product suite is to belong. That they're not just buying a thing, they are buying a belonging. And that has really radically

Jasmine Star 00:17:49  Transformed the way that I am acquiring leads in 2025. I'm gonna be dropping another episode in the future to talk about how I've started applying this three B framework, not just to lead cultivation, but within our funnels, within our content and the extension of it thereafter, because there is another framework called the A MG framework. Prepare your hearts. That's gonna be coming in a future episode if if you so choose. I actually started realizing that I put a lot of time and effort into creating a very long podcast about all these detailed things. And I thought to myself, wait a minute, lemme just see if it's resonating with people. I'm not here to like keep the conversation going. I'm here to serve you well. So if this three B marketing framework work well for you, please can you share it and tag me so that I can have a conversation with you and thank you personally, and then say, okay, well do you want more?

Jasmine Star 00:18:35  What do you want more of? What are you struggling with your business? How do we go deeper? I am here to cultivate relationships. Why? Because my intention is for lead cultivation. But here's the thing, if you and I start talking, you know, it's my responsibility to what dazzle you when you over build trust. And it might not be an offer anytime in the near future, but at some point in the future, if I give you something irresistible, you know I showed up and I served well. So give me the opportunity dazzle, you baby, tag me on Instagram at jasmine star, share this podcast. Leave a review. I'm here to serve and serve Well. Thank you for listening to this short episode of the Jasmine Star Show.