Ep. 11. Integrity and Giving (w/Oracle Girl)

This is the 5th interview with my amazingly wise guest Oracle Girl. 

And this time, it was an exploration of what is happening in the business and financial arena now and in a near future. 

We discussed those questions:

• How we navigate the transition to new business and financial models where we give with integrity?
•  How is money being repositioned in Nature’s World Order?
• What will happen with our financial system? 
• Will there be an economic crash? 
• Should we all be buying cryptocurrency? 
• What are the dynamics of the moment of exchange when working by donation?
• Practical actions to prepare.

Remember aftercare after listening to this special interview.

I highly recommend checking our previous conversations too:

• Episode 9: Donations, nature and "Freely Given".
• Episode 7: Care - the new currency.
• Episode 6: Money and Business
• Episode 4: Future of business

Your love offerings (donations) are highly appreciated. You can do it HERE with Fiat or Cryptocurrencies.

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Transcript

ELAIRA: Hello and welcome everyone today. Welcome to this beautiful podcast called Welcome Future, and it’s all about business and money new paradigm.

For those who don’t know, my name is Elaira and I’m here to change the way we work. And today we’re having a continuation of episodes of series with Jacqueline Hobbs, also known as Oracle Girl. And today is our 5th conversation that we have. And it’s a little bit different this time because this time we are going live for the first time. And other 4 interviews we had before, you can check them out on my website: elairaflow.com. I really recommend it and actually now all the transcripts are available for all those episodes, or you can check them on oraclegirl.org website. There as well you will find some really amazing tracks all related to business and money and supporting that theme. And we will show you those links, as well, here in the comments so, to make it easier for you.

And thank you all for sending your questions. We received them and I will try to cover all those questions today as much as I can together, including live questions we well get today in the last half an hour of our interview.

So. Hello Jacqueline!

JACQUELINE: So happy to be here today. It’s lovely to be with you again Elaira.

ELAIRA: It’s so nice and I’m so excited to continue our very rich conversation we had before and jump on it again today. It’s such a potent time we are in, and I feel it’s so important to have these conversations.

JACQUELINE: Yes. There has never been a more pertinent theme right now because once we’ve got past December 14th and 22nd and there’s really no holding us back. And now that nature’s world order is really starting to assert itself through us, we have to change our habits in the way that we think about everything and especially in relation to money.

Because of course it’s no accident that right now what we’re seeing is a change in the money system. When there is a frequency change on any planet in any way, what happens is the way that everybody connects into their own selves changes setting. It changes frequency. And then what happens is that in all of the external societal systems, they are forced into a reset as well.

Don’t you think it’s strange and rather ironic that out there they’re all calling it the ‘great reset’ – which is not a positive thing, by the way. Meanwhile, there is actually a great reset going on with everybody’s source connection, getting us onto the future positive timeline in alignment with nature. And of course that is the nature of the external system: it always copies, it always imitates - because it doesn’t have an original bone in its body - and it always attempts to give you a parallel reality to trap you in, so that then you are under control, and also under the charm of what’s behind that other parallel reality, instead of answering directly to your own being.

ELAIRA: I love that you jumped in right at the key pain that we have today: that great reset. And those people who don’t know, maybe I will elaborate about it a little more. It’s financial system reset that our banks are planning, basically owning and digitalising us fully, including the body and the mind, access 24/7.

So I’m curious: is it going to happen? And next question to that is: is this social credit system that we’ve seen in some countries already, is it the outcome of it that is going to be implemented?

JACQUELINE: Absolutely! You are definitely seeing the very last stages of a move towards that kind of system. And it’s been very long in the planning and it is now rolling out fast and furious so that it’s almost, in the eyes of some, a done deal. But of course it isn’t a done deal, and we must never forget that those behind this parallel reality that they are attempting to implement are deeply afraid of us discovering and realising what they’re trying to do and seeing through it. They rely on sleight of hand and they rely on giving you something else to look at and focus on rather than them and what they are doing.

So it’s definitely rolling out, and you see that’s the whole thing. You see people interpret that as being a negative thing. It’s actually the exposure of something that has always been there hidden. It will try to assert itself, it will peak and then it will buckle and break. Because, you see, the more you try to impose control, actually the weaker that you make yourself.

So actually it’s a bit like freewheeling off the side of a cliff, right now, what the old world order is doing. It is trying to put its foot down on the gas but it doesn’t realise that it’s running out of road, in terms of the ability to materialise and successfully overturn this reality into a new physical manifestation of their vision. What’s happening really is that we have an old system on an old frequency that is realising that there’s not quite enough natural resources to keep it going any more; it’s stolen all the money and it has to have some kind of excuse for the money not being there any more. And that’s why we’re seeing a push towards a completely different system which, when it is in place – this more digitalised, slave type of reality – then there is the ability to hook up not just our bodies but their bodies with a type of set-up where they can keep going for longer and longer and they will need us less and less. And that’s where we understand that this picture is not just about nature’s world order, it’s about negative high frequency beings.

But there is nothing to worry about because even though we see, on the one hand, this coming in of this monstrous idea of a technocratisation of reality and a phasing out, if you like, of physical currencies, while that gathers momentum, on the parallel side of that coin, which is actually the new frequency, you are having a different reality come more into form as well, which will take it over and has the grip on physical reality in the longer term. So, one, nature’s world order, is actually dismantling the other, and the faster nature’s world order comes in, actually the faster the technocratic option comes in as well, but then at the last minute that buckles and that breaks.

Does that make sense?

ELAIRA: It does make sense, and I still want to go a bit deeper there, on practicalities, maybe a little bit on how. So I think a lot of people have on their minds now: so, how do we go through that transition? How do we go through that collapse? How do we secure our money or our financial situations for ourselves and our families? What to do? Because it feels like it’s that end everywhere we go.

JACQUELINE: Well, you see, the thing about it is, is that right now it doesn’t matter how much you try and tweak your own personal picture financially, because you might be worried, or even your security arrangements or your personal physical circumstances, because it’s not really the time for that right now. What’s happening is that everything is turning inside out as nature’s world order asserts itself. And so we are all being reinserted back into a much higher order reality with far more possibilities, a much higher frequency and more of our abilities coming forward. And actually that’s extremely tiring. And all of the opportunities that we’re hoping for and the gaps that we’re looking for and waiting for to see the cracks in the old system, they can’t come about until we take our hands off, really, reality in general. We for short amounts of time actually free-fall a little in the new set-up as it’s sliding in, and we rest. Because the collective emotion and the fear is very strong right now. And that’s quite draining.

If you are a high frequency being on the positive timeline you are processing a great deal interiorly, especially while you sleep. And so you need to play things very carefully so that you have enough time for rest and you don’t resort to your rational mind too much to try and make logical or linear decisions on an old timeline which is fast disappearing. It’s a bit like, you know, when you’re very confident and you’re driving at the wheel, you can take your hands off the steering wheel for short amounts of time and even, you know, if you’re a girl, fix your make-up or whatever it is in the mirror, and then you’ve got an eye on the road and you’re in full control of the vehicle at the same time. It’s a bit like that right now.

And, actually, going into silence, taking small punctuated gaps during the day of just stopping and refocussing and then going back to things are all good to help this break-up of what’s going on. So that then, when everything is starting to move more coherently with the new frequency on the physical, then you can lightly step down on the gas again and start to implement those changes in your personal arena which will see you following the principles of nature’s way in relation to money and finances, as well as your whole life, of course, and get used to this new way of acting with business and money.

ELAIRA: Beautiful! You often say about that bright future, and you’re leading towards it now. Can you share and elaborate a little bit more what does that bright future look like in regard to business and money?

JACQUELINE: Sure. Well, on the one hand it is actually up to us to form it, and so there isn’t a solid form that you can pre-determine or predict. It’s not something that’s set in stone. But I can certainly describe it to you as it is starting to scan forward, today. And when we get there, it will definitely be different, and what I’m saying is that this is the least of what is possible, OK? On that positive future timeline. Because we need to make sure that we are listening to what I am saying, taking a lot of responsibility, because we are in control of the form of the future; we shape it and when we are purifying, we understand that everything that comes forward from this point of time is something that we have the ability to alter and correct.

But in the future, actually, once we’ve got past this very difficult time, there will be a lot of global resolutions that are passed to make sure, first of all, that the right principles are named and put into place for the type of society that we all want to see. Not a one-world or a one-world order in the negative sense, in the sense of a new world order, but certainly some consensual values on the planet as well as, loosely, in different geographical regions that people decide they want to adhere to and believe in, because they claim and take ownership of their own territory. And it will be very much about land, again, and bodies of people.

And we will see loose collectivities all over the planet. Some more powerful than others in terms of how much they choose to take charge of and take responsibility for, but all dialoguing appropriately with other bodies, recognising that collectivities and the ways that people have organised themselves all stand on an equal footing as being equally important and needing to be listened to. There won’t be so much of a centralised source of authority on the planet. There will be currents that run through different societies and groups which join them together, which are part of that consensual process, but there won’t, for example, be a one-world parliament or, let’s say, a place on the planet where, you know, leaders go. There will be more variable styles of leadership at different levels in societies, and some places will have more of the local and others will take more of a regional flavour. Others will break up more into individual sort of municipalities and run themselves according to very definitive principles which would only apply in that place and nowhere else. And within those boundaries, then, people would agree to be subject to those rules, because that’s the way that, for example, maybe economically or technologically that place will function most optimumly.

But the degree of coercion that we see now will no longer be in evidence. In fact it will be a little bit the opposite. For a period of time, actually, maybe it will move a bit like a pendulum – in some people’s view too much in the opposite direction until there is a reorganisation and a resetting in the dynamic of what’s already happening, that starts to slow everything down and everybody starts to feel that they are more on an even keel again.

ELAIRA: Sounds really interesting and I want to dig deeper on the practical side of it, on the transition itself. So how can we, on day-to-day basis or individually support … sorry, not support that slavery system, and how are we going to build everything from bottom up again? All economy and all finance?

JACQUELINE: Yes. This is very important. It’s going to be very messy in the transition. Because on the one hand what you have is a dictatorship trying to slide in a transition to a transaction-based, control-based social-preferencing system, at the same time as also trying to slow down the end of fiat currency so that it is not too unstable. That dynamic is going on in the external world. And then, at the same time, according to nature’s world order, you have the sliding in of a completely different dynamic which is all about integrity and giving. And we will have to manage the 2, in the transition.

So let’s talk a little bit about the principles of nature that are ruling new business and new money and will be here to stay for the future. These principles, by the way, are nothing to do with any one type of currency or financial system out there. They are on a deeper setting which overrides and actually controls everything that’s happening on the external.

So nature’s world order is about giving. It’s about freely given. It’s about no agenda and about doing what the integrity of you feels moved to do in that moment, according to the signals in your body. Because you are already deeply enmeshed with that raw force of nature and you are an expression of the purity of your being and you are purifying out any remnants of the slave self.

So that giving dynamic is moving on a completely different currency. It moves, as I’ve explained in past broadcasts with you, on the currency of care. It’s to do with bonds of affection. And it will be much more local, as well, in its foundation. So you will be in set-ups with people around you, and you may find that you are very limited to who you can interact with, but it will still be people-based transactions over technology, or in the physical, to some extent, and it will be the people directly in front of you who matter most in those situations. And then you will work along the lines of where that internet – your own human internet, I call that the gold frequency – interconnects you with those beings in line with the purity of your connection. And then you will have an outpouring of what you feel to give through excitement and upliftment. That’s the first thing that happens.

And then, the other person meets you. You decide what you want to collaborate on, how you want to collaborate. And it’s the outcome that really speeds the transaction. So this is the real transaction-based economy. Not the transaction-based economy that is based on cryptocurrency, social control, and what we see in the new world order: that’s the copy of it, it’s the denser-frequency, partial translation of nature’s world order which is asserting itself. We’re on the full bandwidth. We can give everything. We can give emotions, we can give time. We can choose what we give. We can give skills, we can give a smile, we can give our practical knowledge, we can give our research – whatever we wish in the full range of human expression. Because that comes even before machines and the technology, which actually serve us.

In the negative scenario, of course, it’s the other way round: you’re hooked up to that technology and it controls, actually, the way that you make your transaction and you are actually forbidden from and limited to certain transactions even before you think about what you want to give. So it’s slightly different, the way that nature works.

And this adds up to some very big things, because your integrity is about a definite mapping with what you feel in your body in that moment: whether you feel comfortable; whether everything’s been covered; whether you’re fully represented; whether the other person is fully represented. And in this system of transaction, which is nature’s way, everybody needs to be happy and to be benefiting and nothing must be left out. And this is very dependent, also, on people’s ability to be honest. Integrity, of course, is about that old-fashioned thing called ‘honesty’, and also, remaining open enough, as you go into transactions, to continually review; to have room to say: "you know what? I realise now I didn’t include this bit – it’s just come to me. I might need to reframe some of this. Can we have a conversation about that and see what we can agree about that?" It needs to be a continual responsibility- taking of one’s own process. Because it is self referencing.

Nature is completely self healing, self referencing, self informing. And then it feeds into that whole grid of interconnections which supports all beings and takes all the different coordinates in time and reality into view, if you like, and makes decisions about it each moment. And our bodies can do that. That’s why our body is the ultimate technology in the way I was discussing with Jennifer Joan earlier this month on UK Health Radio. The technology with machines is also incredible and very advanced, and when you put that in the hands of the new-frequency embodied human, the 2 work together for the most incredible results. And I was explaining that with Paul in the Positive Life Ireland interview earlier this month, as well.

So integrity is the benchmark: i.e. the way you reference with what is going on in your body and are as honest and as straightforward in the moment as you can possibly be, according to where you’ve got up to. And then the actual currency of the exchange are the bonds that you form with the people that you’re working with, whether you know them or not; the build-up of understanding, reciprocity, trust, mutual like and respect. These things are incredibly important in the new currency system.

And then, right at the end of after all of this beautiful collaboration that you’ve done together and whatever you produce, virtual or physical, then there is the honouring of some type of agreement that has been made which will involve, somewhere, to some extent, actual money. And it’s very important for us to realise that the transactions in the future on the positive timeline, they won’t actually involve money very much. And that’s not because I mean they’re going to involve virtual money. I mean there’s not going to be money involved very much at all. It’s not necessary, because a lot of the transactions that will be taking place, you will feel so content and rich and happy with what has happened, money will not actually be necessary in quite wide areas where those transactions are occurring, and where the transactions do require money, money will already be flowing into the scenario to help support the collaboration in the first place, as well as what then becomes subject to an individual negotiation alongside that more collective flow of money that may actually be holding a whole event of transaction and productivity.

So I’m not talking here, by the way, about a socialist collective or some type of, you know, money that has been offered by the state as a benchmark for all of living reality – that’s on that ‘imitator’ timeline that goes with the new world order. Nature always has money in the bank, so to speak. There is already water in the river. There is already temperature in the atmosphere, to go up or down. And when 2 people meet to actually work together, they already bring a set of skills; they already bring, if you like, a ratio of ability, of value and investment, in all of the interconnections with reality, because they’ve worked with others before; because they have already reached a certain frequency and they have a quotient of pure love which they already share with this universe.

So that’s already flooding in to the whole framework of the transaction, before you even start. And you will find that there will be many, many organisations around, including our own, to some extent that will be offering to sponsor these types of interaction and exchange, and also in view of the end point and the results that hope to be achieved, so that there is already money there for the project or the transaction and the relationship to happen and to continue, and then there will be just an individual area where it will then come down independent individual negotiation – notice I use that word ‘negotiation’ – for what you might call the private sphere of currency and how that boils down into the receiving or giving of actual money.

That’s how nature works. It has investment, it has that collective frequency and it also has the individual frequency. And more and more, we are going to be looking for ways to collaborate where money is not involved at all, because we’re going to have to. Because on the parallel timeline, what’s going to happen is that, although it is ebbing away and it is dismantling and fragmenting and breaking up, you will find that, particularly if you are not in agreement with a lot of the agendas out there going on in that more negative future timeline, you won’t be able to have access to quite a lot of what’s going on in parts of society. So you won’t even be transacting with money so much.

And also, it’s possible that you might have less money, as well. Who knows what’s going to happen during this time? There might be a huge swoop on bank accounts; there might be a massive financial crash – I think that is quite likely. And so, what’s left as a result of what the external world goes through may be much diminished. And believe it or not, that will be very good. Because it means that that old order is faster speeding towards its own dismantling, even if it makes it across the bridge into that slave reality with all the different set-ups that it is proposing.

Does that make sense?

ELAIRA: It makes so much sense, I have, like, 3 more questions and so many directions you went. It’s so wonderful to hear about integrity and the resources, and natural resources. And it’s so hard, sometimes, to tap into it because we are so conditioned and all our life is so built around the money …

JACQUELINE: Yes.

ELAIRA: … the system, to plug it out and just plug in the way of nature to come back to.

JACQUELINE: It’s the big psychological break, right? Because we have commoditised our own selves, down to our emotions, our thoughts and our bodies. That is what we have been encouraged to do very, very strongly from the end of the last century. And it is very deep in our cells and in our conditioning, and that’s why the purification space is here to help to start to delete those frequencies through switching on the part of you that knows how to do that, that’s already in you. Because that, actually, is already wired incredibly deeply into your own physical body. And that’s even before we get the other stuff that they’re proposing to put into your body to take even deeper control. In many ways this whole move is not a new thing. It’s actually just a deeper layer of exactly the same thing: AI and all of those things have been with us for a very long time.

So the de-programming and the taking on of this whole new way of being is going to be a massive shift, because we are going to have to go back to thinking about ourselves as having everything we need before we begin, rather than entering into transactions and processes in order to get something which we are lacking in. The only thing that you’re without when you transact in nature and you cooperate and collaborate with other beings, is the final form of what is already there waiting to take place. So you are never in lack, in nature, and your body is pushing you towards the pathway which simply materialises instructions that you already have within you, and you are collaborating with the person already that you’ve drawn who has the match for making that materialisation come into this reality.

So this is a very different way of being, and also, when we come to the actual money part, if that is a feature of the individual realm, then we have lots of different options, then, about how we go about that. We will have multiple options, with or without the money system that is out there. We can choose for money not to be arranged at all; we can choose for money to be arranged later, at a future point, in a different way, nothing to do with this scenario, now. We could do, for example, a hard currency transaction where one person gives something to another person and that amount is pre-agreed; we can wait until it’s finished, and when our bodies tell us, hmm, it feels now like we want to actually give something, and then the negotiation about what is given happens at the end rather than the beginning. It is all up for grabs.

And the feature, there, is freedom to choose. Because there’s no desperation about something being lacking, there’s no obligation in the sense of being enslaved to a contract, but there is nevertheless a framework of trust and a guiding through nature’s principles and that dynamic movement that’s shaping you that holds that collaboration together and enables you, then, to name successfully what you want to receive, and to receive it.

ELAIRA: And what are those options? Let’s drop that big word that probably everyone is waiting for: is cryptocurrency the answer in the future, or not?

JACQUELINE: Ah, well, this is a very good question. So, bearing in mind that I’m talking about 2 parallel timelines, and that nature’s world order governs both, OK? I explained a little bit more about that at the end of the broadcast on December 22nd with Souvereign and Imani and Dr Christiane. What’s happening there is that in the external reality on the old-world-order timeline, you have cryptocurrency being the possibility as there is a move away from currencies in the physical sense – the fiat money system – to more transaction- based economies, which are more virtual. So cryptocurrency will be there. Then, alongside that, you will have this way of being that I’m talking about, that may or may not include individual money transactions and how you want to go about them, with or without whatever money arrangement there is in the external world at that time. Cryptocurrency undoubtedly will be involved. And if you are using it from the high frequency perspective, then actually it will endorse and it will build the future positive timeline. If you are working through the auspices of the old world order, then just be very aware that that cryptocurrency is there as part of that framework of control and depopulation, and all of the things we know about that are happening on this planet.

By the way, that’s why we have all of the confusion going on, because there is a masking (haha!) at the moment of this transition phase to a more efficient slave system with another set of circumstances which are there and which are true but are just being made out to be only about an illness and nothing else, when in fact the illness is just the tip of the iceberg: it’s the front face or the leading edge of a much bigger movement to entrap and enslave.

Cryptocurrencies can be part of that negative scenario just as much as they can be part of a positive one. And as the picture slowly moves more and more into only the future positive manifestation, if you like, on the material, then you will see cryptocurrencies and other forms of currency come forward, which then serve only that positive future timeline.

So remember what I said before: nothing is only positive or negative. This is not a biblical, you know, dualistic battle. That’s the way it is presented to you in the external world order. We are moving more and more along a positive future timeline where the materialisation of the negative future is not longer possible. So one world, one frequency, slips out of view and another slowly comes into view. And what happens first of all is that actually, the materialisation of the negative one peaks before it fucks up and disappears.

ELAIRA: So, how to know, in all this confusion, which crypto to invest and which not? And there are so many of them, as well.

JACQUELINE: This is not so much about knowing, OK? Anything you do in the external world, especially about cryptocurrencies, should be secondary to you actually understanding and realising that it is your own source connection which is going to get you through this time and see all of your needs met. Never invest anything more than what you are prepared to lose in any external system, including cryptocurrency. And if you are going to invest in cryptocurrencies – and it’s your choice: nobody’s telling you to do it – then it is wise to go for the ones that are more stable. And at the moment there are really only 2 coins that are well established, and even they are highly volatile and not that stable all of the time – that would be Bitcoin, of course, and Ethereum. There are lots of other minor coins, and there are a huge amount of different platforms and ways of dealing with them. You would need to go to a professional to get advice about that. But always remember that it is actually your source connection which is governing your material reality and how well you are supported, not any type of physical coin or virtual currency system that is out there.

ELAIRA: Mmmm. I like that. So I want to switch to another very important moment, in my eyes, in doing business together, and the moment of exchange itself. I feel like that is the thing that is usually skipped too often, or jumped through. It became very transactional and in my personal experience and what I observe around, it’s very important moment and there are so many dynamics happening, which are not looked enough. Maybe you can share in your own experience, especially when you said ‘negotiation’ – I dropped that word! Can you share more those dynamics of exchange moment itself?

JACQUELINE: Yes. I think this is incredibly important, because everybody is trained, really, to believe that, you know, money is a bit of an awkward topic or that, you know, if you’re pure then it shouldn’t really need much mention and it will all happen, you know, perfectly and smoothly and beautifully and in lots of love … Actually, money transactions rarely happen that way. Money can be a very emotional topic, and also, even when a high frequency transaction or exchange is occurring we can have a lot of anxiety about it, especially because we wish to represent ourselves and the other party very well, and it can feel incredibly uncomfortable.

And ‘space’ and ‘negotiation’ are the 2 words here. It is incredibly important to name, right at the beginning, how you want to work around that individual transaction about money, and to say, very clearly: "you know what? I don’t want to work by donation, I want this to be a set fee, and this is my fee." Or: "You know what? I work by donation and this is specifically how I do it." Or: "I’d like to, you know, give you something for this bit, but maybe we can exchange in another way here, and this is where the boundary would be, and I know this bit now, but I’m not sure about this other bit. Can we sort this out by a certain time, but can I say really clearly right now that I’m really not sure about this bit and I can’t make a promise about that."

We need to learn to develop a vocabulary that will already be built into that trust scenario of who we’re working with because we will be building on bonds of affection. And we will be taking time, as well, to get to know the person that we are working with, whether it’s over the computer or physically, so that we can build in that space for us to be vulnerable about our process. And I don’t mean by having a big love-in, you know, for, you know, 30 zoom meetings and not get anywhere after 6 years. I mean – I’m exaggerating, but you get the point – I mean that you are actually being really quite ruthless in the way that you say: "I don’t know this bit, I do know that bit." And leaving the space there for sometimes there being quite a lot of discomfort on both sides. And not attempting to fix it or quickly brush over it or smooth it over – which is what we’re kind of socialised into doing.

It’s very important for us to say, right from the beginning, what it is, also, that we want to make sure does happen. Not so much emphasis on what we don’t want to happen, at the beginning. But then also, equally, at a key point to really factor in our past experiences and say: "I just want to mention that in the past this has happened to me, so I really do want to make sure that this learning that I had gets included, and my learning was that if we go down this pathway, maybe this could happen, and I really don’t want a repeat of that." So you have to be free to mention the positives and the negatives. But again, a little bit like nature’s world order, there’s that bigger picture of where you want to go and then you factor in the caveats or the things that you’re concerned about, within that framework so that they’re under control, they’re not defining a very negative outcome or scenario and they lead to more positive outcome and a muscling-up of your ability to achieve in the way that both of you would really like to see.

This is all part of the technology of dreaming, of course, because when we dream, we actually log into what we’ve got in our bodies in this moment, and we use ourselves as a positive resource - not as a commodity-based resource, just as a positive, living resource of experience, of feelings, of knowledge, and the ability to actually build and materialise. And that’s a completely different vision of the human being. There is time to actually say: "You know what? I don’t know." And you don’t do what you don’t know. It’s a situation I find myself a great deal in in business. There’s all sorts of ideas whirling around and it’s very exciting to entertain those ideas and you feel really, really optimistic about what could happen. And it’s fine to do that kind of scoping. But then, when you come back to your body and into the moment, there are certain things that you need to move ahead with that then flow out of that exploration, which are either happening or they are not. And you only commit to that next step that there is in front of you that actually you can already feel that’s solidly building up, almost like a piece of earth that comes underneath your feet. This is the way we don’t lose ourselves in La-La land and make lots of promises we can’t keep or invest in something that really doesn’t hold and has no reality, because nature is not really flowing long-term in that direction.

So there’s a lot in that space which we can name, which we can share with the other person – not in a soppy or an emotional way, but actually report to a person of where that process is up to in the body, of what is going on. So that nothing is ever committed to in the short term or the long term which you feel uncomfortable with. Very important.

‘Amplifying the silent space within’ – that purification track that’s available in the library – is very useful for those moments when you go into those transaction conversations in the individual money-based arena.

ELAIRA: I’m not sure I’m fully grasping why the silence is so important in this transaction moment. How is it relating?

JACQUELINE: Because silence gives you the possibility to earth and to ground in all of the signals that you’re receiving. The human being is an incredibly multifaceted, busy organism. We are receiving on every single frequency 24 hours a day, whether we’re asleep or we’re awake. And we need our conscious apparatus to be really fully docked in the body process, rather than being pulled out into just one aspect of reality. And as we know, there’s a lot of other signals going on in our reality now, besides just our body and our source connection reality. And so it’s very easy to get pulled out into other signals as well as our own, and silence just enables us to come back to our sense of self and dock into our actual physical arena so that we are wholly picking up all of the signals that are coming through our own source connection.

So that is a very dynamic silence. It’s not a sort of, you know, passive ngggggg … that kind of silence. Usually what happens in that kind of silence, your brain starts to really activate and you get even more possibilities that take you out of your body. I am talking about that holding where you just notice, while you are talking with someone and being with them in the same space, what’s coming up for you. And you even note it down as you go along, that there’s a point that you want to go back to because it came up in your body while you were talking. Maybe the flow of the conversation is hard to interrupt at that point, so you note it down so that then you make sure that you always bring the conversation back to that set of body points. It’s a body dialogue as well as a verbal one.

ELAIRA: That makes so much sense now. And, before we continue – and I want to still continue on this topic – I just want to say we’re reaching one hour soon, so people on the chat, please let us know your questions which I’ll soon incorporate and switch towards. And coming back to you, Jacqueline, again, I know you are one of those pioneers and a role model to do business differently, or nature’s way. You work entirely on donation.

JACQUELINE: Yes.

ELAIRA: And I know it’s been a journey for you, so maybe you can shortly elaborate on that and tell a little bit where are you going? Where Oracle Girl is going? What is changing and maybe how are you changing, personally?

JACQUELINE: It’s been a wild ride, to be honest with you. The only thing I think that, business-wise, I was ever clear about right at the beginning was that everything that I did would be by donation. And as most of you know, we work by 2 types of donation: we have what I loosely call ‘zero donation’, where you choose whether you wish to give and then you choose how much you wish to give, and also ‘minimum donation’, which is more attached to products, which is more to do with our financial system as stands.

 Where is it all going? Well, who knows? At this moment in time we are certainly moving into a world where we will need to get much simpler in the way that we work by donation. We will need to pick up more frequency in all of the events, which always governs the way that you work with the money-based aspect of transactions. And we undoubtedly, at some point, will contemplate the use of cryptocurrencies in the space. We are looking, also, at people making more and more move towards taking responsibility for their own purification, which will mean taking more and more responsibility for your own donation as well.

When you come into a space like this, you are receiving so much from yourself, from each other, and also from the purification space, which includes, also, of course, myself and my set of abilities. So in nature we are always receiving before we give. And when we give, we are actually giving in a movement that is giving forward for more possibilities for ourselves and others. And we will be incorporating this understanding more and more into the space. Because this is how nature works, as well. Nature doesn’t say: "well, before you get up tomorrow morning, you know, I’m sorry but you need to put a few more coins in the meter so that I can still give you air to breathe." The air is freely given, and because the carbon dioxide then comes out, that then supports something or someone somewhere else, another being in this world. And you build, continually, on a bedrock of what has been already enmeshed and incorporated into this system of exchange and living dynamism. And all parts of a forest, for example, support each other: each individual tree is taken care of by the collective as well as that individual tree doing its own thing, as it must, in order to plug itself back into nature’s mainframe. And we’re going to be mirroring this set of relationships more and more, and there will be progressively a set of upgrades in the platform that will allow this to happen.

ELAIRA: Sounds really beautiful!

JACQUELINE: It’s an incredible thing. And it’s a very exciting thing because doesn’t it feel good when no one says to you: "You can’t, because you haven’t got enough money." Isn’t that an amazing thing? That doesn’t happen in the purification space. All that gets said to you is: "You can." "You will." And: "You must be who you are, first." There’s no qualification. And then, as a result of what you become involved with, what you are inspired by, and what you feel to give, trust is then built into any transaction which you choose to give. So you are put in a position of autonomous independence from the very beginning. And that’s how the purification works, as well: you use your own source connection in my proximity. It’s not me working on you, even though we sometimes use that vocabulary – that’s not what we mean here. You stand in your own power. We all stand in our own power together.

And that’s a very different type of system; it’s not really an economy, even. There is an economy involved, but that’s the smallest part of it. Because the biggest part of it is our togetherness and our joy, and our potential to share and to – it sounds corny, but – to love

… our lives and each other, and appreciate who we all are and what we give and what we do. That’s what life is about. And that’s what systems – real systems – seek to enhance and further.

ELAIRA: Yeah. We have indeed been conditioned completely other way round for long time.

JACQUELINE: That’s not a bad thing. You know what, you know, if we don’t allow that to take us over, it actually has its place, and it can teach us what it is more deeply that we truly want and believe in. And there’s a lot to be said, as we all know, if we move to a foreign country and we experience going to a market where it’s just one haggling process, it can be very, very exhausting. There’s a lot to be said for: "This is the price. This is what you’ll get.

Please give me x-amount on this day. Finish." It’s the choice, and it is the synchrony of all these different facets of humanness which then allow for the richness of our lives, which then bring back in the support and the money that we need to support ourselves in that reciprocal loop. Interdependency, rather than just plain old dependency.

ELAIRA: Yeah. Beautiful. Jacqueline, I would love to move to the questions we received in advance…

JACQUELINE: Let’s do that …

ELAIRA: … but as well some we get live. Is it OK, we move it now there? JACQUELINE: Yes, definitely.

ELAIRA: So let’s start with some practical questions. I’ll try to cluster them together, and it seems there are quite a lot of questions on really practicalities.

JACQUELINE: Sure.

ELAIRA: On how this money system is going to collapse. So, if money’s disappearing, what is the best way to invest money? In savings, or it’s not worth it? Any funds for children education?

JACQUELINE: These are all slave self questions. OK? Because you have to decide that. These questions are all in the realm of personal sovereignty. If you get a body signal to invest in your child’s education in a certain way at a certain time, then you must follow that, and that’s the form that your new system is going to take. What we’re talking about here, when we talk about practicality, is about how to drop the slave self so that we move spontaneously, without any doubt in our system, towards the high frequency pathways that are already there, opening up for us to step into.

So I am not the type of person who says: "You should go towards this" or: "You should do that." I will give you the broad infrastructure, because practicality here is redefined as personal sovereignty. Rather than that old split that we get in spirituality between woo-woo and getting down to the hard details. We are not sponsoring that kind of old-world separation between physical and spiritual, here, where somebody might say nothing about what needs to happen and then you have to go somewhere else for your practical details. What I am saying is the practicality. That’s the way nature works. Nature doesn’t tell you each day what weather is coming. It gives signs for you to read and intuit out of your environment, and it actually communicates through your body, and then you decide how to pick that up and put that together and author your own actions. Otherwise you wouldn’t be free, you would be a slave.

So I cannot answer, in the way that those questions are asking me to reply. Because otherwise I would put you back into that old system.

ELAIRA: Mmmhmmm. And one segment of society or maybe sensitive group of society I would like to bring you question with still: A lot of people – I think 7 in the chat, and questions in advance – talked about retirement and older people. What happens with them?

JACQUELINE: OK.

ELAIRA: … to invest in pension in general?

JACQUELINE: Yes. I mean, the notion of retirement these days is really up for redefinition, isn’t it? Because as we develop our new, much higher frequency, we are moving between rest and work, no work, lots of work and some work all of the time. And then, as our bodies age, undoubtedly, yes, we want to do less of certain activities and more of others. At the moment, planning for retirement is all, again, part of the old system, and you already know that that old system is leaving. So it is wise to make sure that you have some arrangements in the old system, watching very closely and making something flexible available to you that you can change as you go along. But not counting on that too much, so that as you go further into the future, you are firmly plugged into this set of new frequencies which will give you the circumstances that you need at every age, including much later when you won’t have, perhaps, the type of physical income that you had at other stages.

So you are definitely bridging 2 worlds in relation to retirement. And to be honest with you, most of the retirement funds, when you are older, they will not be there. Especially the state ones. They’re already not there. This is the thing to understand: the fiat currency system is a lie and, because that money doesn’t actually exist in relation to those paper notes, and never has; because that system is all vaporising and turning into something else, a bit like you see with many transitions, things slip between the cracks and are often, if you don’t make the right types of preparations, in terms of looking at what other options are available besides the ones that you know, that used to work, then you can find that what you relied on is no longer available.

ELAIRA: Yeah. And a really interesting question about the debt. What is the best thing to do about debts, credit cards, etc? And what is debt on a frequency level?

JACQUELINE: OK. So, again, it’s a very individual question: you have to make the decision for yourself. But let’s give a broader context for making those decisions that some people might not have thought about.

You’re never in debt. There’s no such thing. You are born free, and nature always works with you, concurrently, every single day of your life to make sure that you always exist in complete interconnection with that way of being.

Debt is a human phenomenon, part of our current slave system. The extent to which your frequency is tied into that system will determine, obviously, the extent to which you are caught up in arrangements where you have debt, and then are making decisions about whether you want to repay all of that debt or in what way you want to do that. Your body will actually tell you what is the right way for you. With the old system leaving, I think it is very wise to consider, if it feels right for you, to only be on minimum repayments and to not really worry yourself too much about repaying debts in full, unless that is a very particular objective that you have, personally, that will feel wrong to you not to fulfil by a certain amount of time.

If you are going to step out of our current system and get involved in other types of legal framework, which are not so much part of the birth-certificate system, you need to be very, very strongly anchored in your own power and to be very clear about what you feel and you think, because there is no one else out there, and there is actually no one way of doing those kinds of moves, and you should feel very confident in being able to deal with the unknown, sometimes extreme agitation, and also your own power and your own conviction and self belief that you are doing the right thing. More and more people are starting to make that step. You can only make that decision for yourself. It might be something that you want to find out about. If so you can look into common law and into what gets called the various forms of natural law in those legal frameworks.

ELAIRA: And how about gold and silver?

JACQUELINE: OK. Well, the whole thing about gold and silver: it’s very interesting. Remember that our obsession with gold, especially with gold and silver and metals to back our financial system, goes back to earlier phases of history on this planet. And negative high frequency beings understand that gold is the way of controlling human beings. So once again, there is the more positive side, which is the interdimensional side of gold - the high frequency gold which is to do with that set of interconnections with all reality. If you can manipulate that and stop people from operating on that level, you can downgrade them into a material set of transactions based on physical gold which support a slave system locked into currencies, pieces of paper backed by physical gold. OK?

So once again, be aware that the real gold system is the interdimensional high frequency one, which is about purifying your own source connection of the slave self, so that you then operate on the gold frequency. Then whatever you do with any of the things in the external world will run only to the advantage, rather than the disadvantage. You will turn them into positive tools for yourself, in line with the context of the situation that you’re a part of.

But if you use gold, or any type of material substance, to actually guarantee your survival, as a kind of reaction to what’s going on in this world, you’re still acting in the slave self frequency. You know, people who are digging holes and locking themselves up in bunkers or, you know, converting all their money into gold or silver, or whatever it is, they’re reacting on the same level as the problem, so they’re just actually compounding the same system that they’re reacting against. It’s a frequency matter, first of all.

And then after that, I would say to you: spread your assets widely so that you have varying different options. And the way that the patterns are moving at the moment, I would say that gold is really gold is not as reliable as what everybody thinks it is. That’s my suggestion.

ELAIRA: And I think one of the last ones on the practicalities of finance and different angles of it: there are a lot of questions on the land. Is real estate worth it to invest, and feels like good resource. Is it?

JACQUELINE: Yes. Because hyperinflation is definitely a possibility in the near future, and the devaluing of currencies, it’s bound not to go smoothly – these things rarely do, and of course there’s a great deal of profit to be made, as we’ve seen, out of changes in financial system and also spiralling currencies or volatile indexes. Land holds its value, because of course once you are on land - actually it doesn’t belong to you, if you’re still part of maritime law – but land is something that endures, whereas we all know that currencies and currency systems can have a shorter shelf-life. And especially if we are going to be subject to very high rates of taxation in the near future, to pay for our recent crisis – which of course is the whole idea – then you will find that many of your assets will disappear into paying those taxes and to upholding that old system. You will have less for other things.

And so it is wise to perhaps invest some of your money now, while land still holds some value, so that you can secure a place for yourself to be on that is slightly more buffered from what is happening. But nothing is buffered completely – only your frequency is the true protection against so-called ‘negative’ happenings. Because, of course, if your frequency isn’t right, you’ll buy, you know, a crap piece of land in a place where, you know, you might get into trouble. Nothing is the answer, when it comes to the world of form that is conditioned by frequency.

ELAIRA: Let’s shift a little to other parts of the business. Let’s talk about promotion. What is the best way to promote prosperity? And how can I reach more people in order to share my skills and get paid for my time? Especially in these times when everything is getting more and more controlled and limited.

JACQUELINE: Well, you can’t really promote prosperity. I mean, either you’re prosperous or you’re not, in which case it’s an advert for itself, either on a negative or on a positive frequency. You can’t make prosperity happen. Again, this is sort of the old system.

Prosperity is naturally there when you are aligned with nature’s principles and you are not so subject to the slave self. It’s a fait accompli: you can’t stop it, actually. It’s about not getting in the way of it. And then, on the back of that, your frequency and the way that you act and what you do is broadcast through the gold frequency, through that human, positive internet, that interconnection of all beings, and they will naturally find you and start to gravitate towards you and hear about you. And then you can do some targetted promotion in a small array of areas where you want to clean up, if you like, or maximise and optimise the overall momentum that’s already positively working in your favour.

So this is a very different idea to marketing. Or what you see out there on those business platforms about how to make your business great, pay this amount per month, get all these ideas and tools and then you’ll be successful. Slave system. Old ideas. OK? All on a certain frequency. Those tools will only work for you anyway if you are in a certain bandwidth on the new frequency, and you will use them very lightly and powerfully, in targetted ways at certain points, because you are purifying, and already heading in the right direction according to your own source connection.

ELAIRA: And very beautiful question about integrity, actually. JACQUELINE: Yes.

ELAIRA: I think we covered quite beautifully there, but I would like to read this question because I think it’s nice example: "Sometimes I feel that having integrity towards myself and maintaining boundaries can still be perceived as hurtful to another. Shouldn’t integrity be a flow that is beneficial to all? Where does it begin and end? Thank you."

JACQUELINE: This is the old chestnut, isn’t it? But they’re the same thing. Just because someone doesn’t like it doesn’t mean that it isn’t benefiting them. During David Kahn’s interview for Karmic Delete 7, didn’t I talk about the bears who get … the baby bears who get washed down the river? It doesn’t seem very good for the baby bears, does it? But nature has already decided as part of its order that that happens. If we keep on persisting in this sugary sort of saccharin insistence that everybody’s loving and peaceful and happy in that more superficial way, without taking into account all of the coordinates and all of the needs of the situation, which will be open to any possibility of any type of feeling in the situation, then we are going to plant seeds that will not bear real fruit in the future.

The boundary is always being negotiated in your own being by your experimenting with reality and transactions, in a small way, inside the context that you’re already working that is based on your practical experience and your knowledge and your know-how. You never know what’s coming next, but you have a databank, literally, within you that informs you, and then you use the signals that you’re given as you go into the unknown, constantly recalibrating according to where integrity lies for you. If it’s integrity for you, it will be integrity for another if you put that person – and listen to me carefully here – equal second.

And they mean exactly the same thing. It’s not a contradiction in terms. You have to listen to your own body first and make sure you’ve represented all of yourself, then you listen to the other person, because they are equally important. But you’re listening to them second, rather than first. And then you put together all of the information and the knowledge and the experience from all sides, and you go back to your body and then you make your decision. That’s the integrity.

And then you find out, from the results. And you’re only as good as your latest decision, because your decision is always a mixture of what you know and what you don’t. So you then feed back into that system the outcome that you experience, and next time you have even more knowledge and information to make your decision and to think about and to register the needs and wishes of the other party.

ELAIRA: I like that! There is very interesting question and I think people are asking because they want to know how far we are in the awakening process. Nadia is asking: "People in purification group are predominantly from Europe, North America and Australia…"

JACQUELINE: Are they?

ELAIRA: "How is the awakening going in other parts of the world such as Asia, Middle East, Africa and South America?"

JACQUELINE: Oh, this is a very limited view point. The people in the purification space are from all over the universe. This person is asking from the perspective of political geography and birthplace – which is only one of the many, many aspects that define all beings. And it’s also coming, I think, from a place where there’s a sense that there might be some kind of inclusion or exclusion. And the purification space doesn’t really have that boundary. All types of frequency choose to enter the purification space. And that may take any and all forms. And high frequency beings are taking form on all corners of the planet, and not just human form either. Humans are the least of the high frequency beings on the planet – let’s remember that.

So we really need to re-perspectivise this question, because it’s … it really leads us down a blind corridor. Where someone signs up for according to where they hold their credit card or where they live or their nationality or where they were born has nothing to do with the power of our source connection at this time to recalibrate our reality and how we also re- author our financial system in the way that we choose.

ELAIRA: Yeah. To look much bigger. I don’t understand why we have several questions, even, about blood type and how it’s related to negative high frequency beings, and another question is how it’s related in the history.

JACQUELINE: Ah, well, there’ll be those questions, because I think there is a theory out there that above surface – and if you were at the negative high frequency beings event you know that below the surface there are negative high frequency beings – but above the surface there are some forms of life that have a human appearance, which are already, if you like, melded together with high frequency beings below the surface, and then they become apparent, sometimes, through the type of rhesus factor that they exemplify on testing.

It’s a little bit more complex and it’s not really so much to do with the financial system, although, of course, the shadow controllers who are vying, if you like, for this change in our financial system on the planet, they do have certain types of biology and certain types of genetics, and that’s why the current crisis is linking money and genetics together. Because not only can you control people according to who they are, as determined by their genetics, you can find out who they are if you have a financial system that uses genetic information as the control factor for whether you’re a part of that system or not.

ELAIRA: And I think there are few questions similar, so I’ll just group them: Can we collectively and officially go into sovereignty to go faster in transformation process? And how can we help individually everyone to go through this transition more quick?

JACQUELINE: I didn’t really capture the first part of the sentence. Can you read it again? I’m not sure what one of the words was that you said.

ELAIRA: "Can we collectively and officially go into sovereignty [Stumbles on pronunciation]…"

JACQUELINE: Yes, that’s the word I didn’t catch. ET: Yes, sorry, my English.

JACQUELINE: Can you spell it? ELAIRA: Our independence.

JACQUELINE: Ah, OK. So, can I define how we go more into our independence?

ELAIRA: Yes, faster, and how we can faster, quicker and more smooth, in general.

JACQUELINE: Yes. Let’s give some really practical points here to help. Think before you spend. What are you supporting? Do you want to support some of the corporations that you are giving your money to, really, when you see what they’re involved in? You have all the power. And those corporations and those people behind them are terrified of you and your power.

Do you want to continue to uphold certain aspects of a system that wishes to enslave you? It’s a question each person has to ask for themselves. Using money, you can determine which way the actual practical and physical machinery that enslavement is being rolled out by goes. You have all of the power. And it has to be physical and practical at this time in history. So think very carefully.

Always preserve your independence, especially over your food and water supply. You have to match your physical reality with the freedom of your being. They are one and the same thing. The physical is the spiritual. And so if there is a vast difference between how physically independent you are and how free you are in terms of your frequency, then nothing will be able to bridge that gap when the time comes, if you haven’t taken care of it. It’s your personal responsibility to make sure that you don’t compromise your ability to govern your own physical vessel and well-being in the way you wish to. And that’s what this current crisis is all about. Power has been given away to such a huge extent, now, with the change in the financial system, and actually a very, very microscopic amount of negative high frequency beings trying to take over the planet, people are virtually, seemingly, powerless. It didn’t happen by accident.

So really think about who and what you are supporting. And purify the slave self, so that all the practical moves you make are in alignment with the materialisation, rapidly, of that future positive timeline. That is the thing that will help an individual most, near or far, including yourself. Because it will govern the quality of everything you do, including your money-based transactions.

ELAIRA: That sounds like almost a nice summary, this answer. We have just few minutes left, and I really would like to make sure that we covered everything that you wanted to cover. Is there anything else left, or is popping now, for you to wrap it up as a closing?

JACQUELINE: Sure. I want to ask you how you found this interview, Elaira? Doing it live for the first time. What’s the difference between working on recording and working in the camera?

ELAIRA: I didn’t expect that! [Laughs]

JACQUELINE: I know you didn’t! That’s why I’m asking you.

ELAIRA: I find it really beautiful and I don’t see the difference, much. I love to engage with people, actually. It’s so nice to feel this collective together and participating in it all together. And I always enjoy to have conversation with you and I’m so focused. So it was really, really enriching for me this time as well.

JACQUELINE: This is the currency. This is the bond of affection. This is the excitement and it is the real value and investment that now goes forward into all of our lives, including our financial lives.

Elaira’s business will blossom and grow, as a result of this interaction. Everybody will purify more strongly and deeply, because of the connection that we have just had during this hour and a half, and particularly during that statement that Elaira made. More people will join the purification space. Oracle Girl will grow larger and be able to benefit more people.

The benefit has already gone into the equation. All of the foundation has been laid and now, next time, when somebody wishes to give – whether you guys decide to come back to Elaira or myself to give, or you go off into your lives and you go and give to someone else - you have pulled on an infinite flow of nurture and supply, nourishment and providing, which you are then handing to the very next person that you interact with. That always comes back to you in exactly the way you need, when you least expect it. That’s the way our system works. The new, high frequency embodied human system of relating. It’s just a relation, actually. We are all just relating together, collaborating, enjoying, sharing and negotiating. That will bring what we need, including the money that fits into the current framework of our world situation and financial systems, whatever that happens to be in any one moment. We’re in control.

ELAIRA: Wow. Thank you, Jacqueline, so much. It’s always such a pleasure, and it’s such a gift and so rich experience to collaborate with you.

JACQUELINE: You’ve been brilliant, as always.

ELAIRA: So, thank you everyone joining us today and thank you everyone who is rewatching this episode with us. See you next time then!

JACQUELINE: Yes! OK! Good bye and see you soon for a very exciting new year to come. Let’s see what happens on the financial markets. Bye for now.