Lydia was an up and coming mountain bike racer, cutting her teeth on some of the toughest courses in Europe when she decided to take a step back from racing. After a 6 year hiatus, Lydia decided she was ready to give it another go, but this time on her terms. In this episode Lydia and I discuss unsustainable motivation, finding your 'why', training with a curious, humble mind, and racing with a growth mindset. We also talked about some of the common reasons people train and race, and how that might be helping or hindering their performance.
Lydia was an up and coming mountain bike racer, cutting her teeth on some of the toughest courses in Europe when she decided to take a step back from racing. After a 6 year hiatus, Lydia decided she was ready to give it another go, but this time on her terms. In this episode Lydia and I discuss unsustainable motivation, finding your 'why', training with a curious, humble mind, and racing with a growth mindset. We also talked about some of the common reasons people train and race, and how that might be helping or hindering their performance.
Thanks for being here. Actually. Thanks for having me. We're sitting in your kitchen. We just got done. You forced food down my throat after our long ride because I'm wasting away because I'm a delicate flower and, um, yeah, so thanks for taking the time to do this. Uh, you and I, we've known each other for a little while now. Um, and I feel like we've had some pretty good conversations over that time. Um, and so part of my interest in talking to you is that you have a pretty, uh, I guess you've been in, around, in and around the sport of cycling for quite awhile, both as an athlete and then also as a journalist. Um, and so that sparked some of the conversations that we've had, be it around training or equipment and things around, um, along those lines. And so I just thought you and I could have a good conversation.
Lydia::Yeah, I'm excited. Thanks for having me. Very nervous to speak into the microphone.
Dave::I know it goes away after like 10 minutes maybe. So
Lydia::yeah. Is that after we break out the whiskey?
Dave::Exactly. Yeah. It's highly correlated with the amount of shots you do. So, so hurry up. Exactly. So for those of, uh, for the people listening that maybe don't know you, will you, uh, just tell us a little bit about your history and um, both in, in the industry in general, I guess. Yeah,
Lydia::so I started racing bikes when I was, I guess 15. I was, uh, a ski racer and I blew my knee two years in a row and I ended up, uh, riding a stationary bike a lot for rehab. And my coach at the time, or my PT at the time, uh, was aAn Trombley and she ended up becoming my coach. And so yeah, she took me around to my first race, which, um, like I, I got like something lodged in my derailer and it was, it was super muddy out and I was out there for like four hours and she had to come find me. I was like, Oh yeah, like this. And for some reason I kept bike racing. Um, and so I've been doing it for, yeah, I was thinking about it almost 18 years now. Um, which it seems like a really long time, but it doesn't feel that way. Um, but yeah, I got, uh, my first internship was at bike magazine out in California, so I moved out there for a couple months and worked with them and learned a lot about the industry and I've pretty much been writing and working with them ever since. Um, I worked at bicycling as an editor for a while. Um, and then, um, just besides that I was bracing, um, collegiately and then on a, uh, team here, kind of a grassroots team, but at a pretty high level. Um, I got the opportunity to go over to Europe with the national team a couple times and did some, uh, really terrifying races in Switzerland and Germany
Dave::on the road or mountain really.
Lydia::And, uh, yeah, I used to call it Euro spankings cause I just, it was every race was like the scariest race that ever, but I learned a lot and it was, it was an amazing experience. And uh, yeah, then I got to go to world championships in 2010 as a youth 23 and um, pretty promptly after that. Quit.
Dave::Really. And what was it that kind of brought that to an end? At that time?
Lydia::Man, I just, I'm looking back, I feel like my motivations were, uh, not sustainable and, um, I was also in a very unhealthy place, both physically and mentally. So I think, I think that happens to a lot of young athletes as they're making that transition. Um, you try to, you're, you have a lot of different moving pieces in your life at that point. It's really hard to balance everything cause you can't see the big picture yet. Um, and I wish I could have been like, just hold out for like, you know, another two years. But it's hard, you know, like there's, there's a lot that feels really dramatic at the time. And, um, it just, it was, it was too much for me. And so I took a step back.
Dave::And so what did you do in that time? I know you do some rock climbing and said, did you just do like anything but bikes
Lydia::basically? Yeah, so I was at school in Montana at the time and I was lucky to have a group of friends that were really into like Alpine climbing. So I got into like ice climbing and from there into rock climbing and ski mountaineering and basically just like learned a whole different frame of reference for like endurance sports in the mountains, which was really awesome because I had this like, I mean, those sports are like hyper non competitive, at least in my experience because if you get too competitive, they get dangerous, right? So you never want to be making a decision in the mountains based on like, you know, trying to beat somebody else because you're gonna like make a bad decision and die. Right? So there's this culture of like, really, uh, like global awareness of what you're doing out there. And I think that kind of like put the whole bike world in perspective for me, I was like, okay, this is just like something we do because, and we, everything that's like serious about it is like, it's in our own minds. Like it's stuff that we can always control.
Dave::And so you mentioned that part of it was your motivations for racing were wrong. So what were those motivations at the time?
Lydia::So this, and we've talked about this, this is this, this thing I've been thinking about this year because I've gotten back into racing in the last year or so. And um, and I've been like really trying to soul search and make sure that like, like the reasons I'm doing it are sustainable. Um, because I think there's like, there's lots of reasons people raised, right? Like there's, um, so my, my device for that was like, hate hedonism and practice. Those are my like three things, right? And so if you're racing out of hate, it's like, cause you, you don't like yourself or you don't like other people or you're angry about something. And like, that's a really great motivation cause it's, uh, it's really easy to hurt yourself and do an endurance sport if you're mad. Which I mean, I think, I think that was part of partly my motivation when I was younger just because it was like, you know, you're, you're going through adolescence, your body's changing, you're not like sure what's going on and you just like, it's really easy to just go out and hammer yourself because that makes sense. Right. Um, but I think ultimately that's not sustainable. It's not like, you know, you don't see old people out there just like hammering and being like super angry. Right. So, so that's one reason. And then there's another one, and I like the word hedonism because I like alliteration, but I don't know if it quite works with what I'm trying to say. Cause I mean he knows, he knows him is like self-indulgence. And I think really this reason is more to do with like external validation. Um, right. Like I think a lot of people race because it looks cool or it makes them feel good or people tell them they're good at it. Or, um, you know, they're trying to impress someone or prove something and like that's not sustainable either because if you like have a bad day or people stop paying attention to you, then like, why are you doing it? Right. Right. So, um, I think I was doing it for like, that was less of a factor. That's always been less of a factor in why I do the sports that I do, but it's always there. Right. Um, and then so this third one, um, practice, which I think is, um, the only sustainable one and that's when you start doing a sport for the process of it. And kind of with like a, like a humble and curious mind. Like, you know, I'm gonna see if I do this, what happens to me, you know, like, and you have to go into it knowing that if you try something it might not work. But that's good cause you learn something too. Right. So, I mean, that's, so that's how I have gone into this last, this last season because, so over the last, what, six years that I took off a bike racing, I like got a full time job. I, you know, I lived in my car for a while, I've gained a bunch of relayed, I've lost a bunch of weight, I've gained a bag and lost it, have done like a bunch of different other sports, like, um, so I've really gotten a sense of like the rhythm of my life and my body and like, you know, pretty much where I'm at, where I'm good, right? Like I got an established, a really good baseline and I wanted to make sure that if I went back into racing, I didn't lose track of that. So, um, and part of it was that like sustainability piece. So as I was going into at ours, like I was like, okay, like this is going to have to be an experiment. I'm going to have to be okay with it failing, you know. Um, and I totally, really expected it to because I, I really thought at the start of the season that to go fast, you had to hate yourself a little bit and um, turns out that's not true.
Dave::It's definitely not true. You've had a, you've had a pretty great season after being off the bike for so long. You race nationals, um, you said in July. Yeah. And how'd you do there? Yeah, pro women, correct.
Lydia::My first elite race and
Dave::six years. Yeah. That's not too bad. There's pretty strong field. It was a surprise day.
Lydia::You know, I have to couch that in the fact that a couple of really fast girls had mechanicals or uh, miss Hobson didn't finish. But um, I luckily had like a clean day and a smooth race and I was really happy with it. So I was, there was some crying for sure.
Dave::That's fantastic. And then you followed that up with a, with the Breck Epic, which if people aren't familiar with it, it's 240 miles over six days and over like 40,000 feet of gain. No, I think it's like 210 is it 210. Okay. All right. 210 then. But I mean it's, and it's no joke, like you get halfway through and it's not like the course get easier. I think they get harder the further you get. You had a good showing there as well.
Lydia::Yeah. So I have done, I did the Breck Epic in 2013 and that was kind of one of my last, um, serious races. And I remember that race being legitimately the hardest thing I'd ever done. Like I didn't think I was going to finish. I was and I was not going very fast. I was out there for, you know, five and six hours a day for most stages, which, um, is a pretty serious week. Um, so, and I, it literally took me all this time to even consider doing it again. But kind of when I started thinking about my goals for this year, I was like, well, what's the hardest thing I know of? I was like, well, it's that. So, um, that was like kind of the ultimate test to see if I could sustain this like positive mindset and, um, like growth mindset of like, well, we're going to go see what happens and hopefully,
Dave::right. Yeah. And so you didn't work with a coach to share? No. And what did your training look like? So with that driving unit being your focus, like how did you plan your training? Um, both leading up to nationals and for,
Lydia::so I have to give some credit where credit is due because, uh, so I, I edit the training piece blog, which means that I get to read content from coaches all day, every day. So I basically get to cherry pick all the coolest info and stuff I want to test. So I have worked there for almost two years. And, um, so I've been kind of just like, when I read something that I, that really resonates with me, I kinda just scroll it away and I'm like, well, I'll add that to my, sort of like monster training idea and like see how it goes. Right. So that, that's how I coached myself. I, I went in the, you know, annual training plan and set an arbitrary, I want it to be at like a 130 CTL for, for Breck Epic, which I was like, that seems like a good high number. I want that. And, um, and so, and then I, and then I planned my periodization around that because I knew, I know enough about periodization to kinda just like, and I know enough about my body for like, I know that I need more recovery than most real elite athletes. Like I need to chill out usually like two weeks after like a 50 mile race, like a hard race. So, um, I, I tried to build in lots of really good recovery and, um, do my best to like, set myself up for good showings at the races that were important to me. And, um, yeah, I think it just, it like could not have gone better. Um, I actually can't, I'm astonished with how well it all went. Like, like I couldn't have felt better at every race and, um, like my hard blocks were hard and my easy blocks were easy and yeah, all worked out
Dave::well. And I think just listening to you now, I think that's maybe a lot of self coached athletes. That's where they struggles. They don't, they don't have the confidence to make those easy weeks, easy weeks easy or to take the time off cause it's always in the back of their mind that I'm not doing enough or I need to do more. And so it's like, really that's a benefit of a coach is having somebody there to pull the reins and you know, slowly down a bit. And so like having that,
Lydia::but I never did that one at a coach either. I was, I was like, Oh, you don't know me. I can do more than this. Like, yeah. Um, but I think yeah, having that six years of basically just, I remember, so I went, I went like kind of in the beginning of my whole, like off period. I remember going to a yoga class and the teacher said something like, it's okay if you can't do this stretch if it's not available to you today. And I, that would like blew my mind. I was like, you can just, you can just not do it. If it doesn't feel good, you don't have to like force yourself to do it. And so that, that literally like shifted my whole mind into like working with my body instead of like working, like punishing it for not being what I wanted it to be. And so I have this ability now to kind of step outside of it and be like, okay, but what do I really need? And like, what's available to me today? Right. And how do I like tweak the equation so I can get as much as I need to get. Right.
Dave::I love that. Yeah. Yeah. So as you're talking about that, it reminds me, so I was a triathlete for like 10 ish years or something and then recently started mountain biking like just the last couple of years. And it's been really hard for me because I'm a control freak, but it's been very there. Yeah. But it's been very therapeutic because that's what I had to learn is like I can't fight the terrain. Like I have to work with it. And it's either like that's a rock and like I am not going to win. And so I either need to work with it or it's going to conquer me. And so it's been very, so that's kind of what that mind, you can get mad at the Hill, it doesn't give a shit. Right. Absolutely. And, and yeah, it's like you just have to roll with it or, or like the Bruce Lee thing, right? Like mind Mike water. So
Lydia::yeah. I mean, because at the end of the day, like you've only got this one body right. It's, it's what you got to work with and you can like, you can accept that the, that's the tool that you have. And like usually you'll get more out of it, you know?
Dave::Yeah. Yeah. Work with it, not against it. Yeah. So let's go back a little bit. Your motivations, um, weren't healthy. So this year you had different motivations. They seemed to have planned, panned out. And that was,
Lydia::that was something that I was like hyper-conscious of it cause I wanted to make sure I didn't go to a place where I was like trying to get a result for like to like prove something to somebody or you know, like trying to, uh, like for me it was always really unhealthy. Like I would always start chasing like, uh, a body ideal, which is, uh, a really good way to like make sure there's never any gas in the tank and you can never do what you need to do. Right. So I was always trying to be really careful about like if I was feeling stressed or like I was feeling like I needed to like get more control or if I was, um, like if I noticed my motivation starting to slip into an unhealthy place, I would literally just like take a day off and not ride. Like be like, okay, here's, you have to chill out, you know? And, um, and that worked pretty well cause I noticed like it's easier to slip into those like unhealthy patterns when you're, when you're more, uh, when you're, when you're rundown, when you're not like recovering correctly. So like it's really easy to be like mentally healthy and mentally strong when you're like, not asking a lot of your body, but if your body's run down, like it's easy for your mind to start like trying to compensate. Right.
Dave::All right. I don't know if that answers your question. I don't know if that was even your question at all. No, I just, I mean that's, I just wanted to talk more about that, about motivations and cause that's kind of where I, I guess that's part of what this was, is that at one point you said you were thinking about writing a story about people's motivations for training. And then I got the idea that because I don't want to write, let's, let's talk. I mean I think it all comes back to right. Like,
Lydia::and that's, that was like the major shift. I think I went from being like, Oh, I'll be an Olympian and then I'll quit and do something else. Right. To being like, no, I want to be an athlete for my whole life. And like it doesn't really matter to me so much anymore what my results are as long as I got them in a way that I'm proud of. Right. And so that means like I want to be racing within myself to a point where I can be like respectful and kind of my competitors where I can be. Um, you know, really on my nutrition and like, like, like if I was really, really proud of my race at whiskey this year, even though I was not very fast because I had like the perfect race, like I ate all the food, I plan to eat. Like I drank all the water, I plan to drink. I like had like great interactions with every other racer on the course. Like it just, it was like a beautiful, smooth race. Like I didn't crash it just, and I was like, wow, that was a success, you know? And so I think any more, like that's what's most important to me. And I think that's what sustainable. I don't, I mean I'm sure other people do it for different things, but um, yeah, I think focusing on that process and focusing on, um, just trying to do it the best I can do it for me is what's gonna keep me doing it.
Dave::Right. Yeah. No, I love, it's great that it's more process driven and, and being able to take pride in the process and being able to like get those little things right and in the end they lead to results.
Lydia::Yeah. But they might not too. Right? Like, and that was kind of part of the gamble this season. I had to just be like really humble about it. Like I could go out there and just fall flat on my face. I could be totally off base with what people are doing anymore. Like, I could think I'm going hard and I'm not, you know, I almost every race this year, I had that moment at like 4:00 AM the day before the race where I woke up and was just like, I'm going to get dead fucking last. Like I'm going to be the last person out there. And then just just being like, well if that's what happens, that's what happens, you know, because someone always is right. That's always somebody. But yeah, just like, just kind of making peace with that possibility and being like, it's okay cause I'm being true to my process and if that's what happens, then I learned something. Right. It's the baseline. So,
Dave::so let's talk about some other reasons that people might raise just based on, I mean, you've had the opportunity, you've had lots of interactions with athletes, coaches and yeah, I've had, uh, interactions with athletes as well. So first I'll start like, and this is how this all started was you and I were just having a conversation about why people raised. And so for me, cause you had asked me why do I race? And like mine started where I was an athlete in high school and things like that. And then I got super unhealthy and gained a bunch of weight. And then when I started getting back into it I like ran a mile and didn't think like, didn't think I could run a mile. And it was like the hardest thing in my life, you know? And then I like set a goal for running the Boulder Boulder, which was six miles. And I thought, Oh God, I'll never be able to do this. And like a week before I finally ran six miles, you know, and then it became like, Oh well how fast can I do this? And so it was like, again, this maybe not the process but like continual self improvement and it like, it eventually got to a point where it's like, I ended up running a really fast time at Boulder Boulder where four years prior to that, I mean just finishing was like such a feat. Right. And it's like having that experience and realizing like something that I thought was never possible ever in a million years. I'm like experiencing that. And that's what made me want to start coaching was to help other people experience that same thing.
Lydia::So that, that feeling of doing something you didn't think you could do.
Dave::Totally. Yeah. Did you, you're sure today, you're absolutely sure you'll never be able to do that, but you keep doing it anyway. You keep, you keep striving for it because that's, that's the point, right? It's the journey. It's like it's trying to get there and maybe someday you'll never get there, but,
Lydia::right. Yeah. You know, it's funny, I was um, interviewing a coach the other day and she was talking about how she, um, she runs this women's group, girls gone try and she says like, they have a, they have a group of women that's like the, um, I think they're 50 to 70. They're like grandmas, right? And they are a lot of them, not your typical, uh, image of an athlete. But she says all of them finish. And she said, it's just profound to see how they go from thinking they can't run a five K to identifying themselves as triathletes and what a profound change that like kicks off in their whole life. Right. And so I think that's such a magical thing when you become part of this community and part of this like identify as like, you know, someone who can do things right. And I think that's so powerful. It's just, yeah, it's, I love it.
Dave::And so that, that's something I've seen recently, or maybe not recently, but over the last couple of years or something, like there's definitely that desire to be part of something no matter what it just humans wanting to be part of a tribe. Absolutely. Yeah. And, and do you know where, where it struck me is I was at Disneyland or Disney world and it was right before Christmas and there was all these crazy people wearing Disney shirt, like wearing the same shirts with their family name on it and like lights and all this. And I'm just like, all of a sudden I realized I'm like, it's the same as like Harley Davidson people or iron man. Or it's just like people wanting to belong to something. It is,
Lydia::why do we all do this? Like why does it, this tribe like to do this weird Zufferey thing? Cause we could all just like Disneyworld,
Dave::pretty expensive. I don't know man.
Lydia::No, cause I think that's the, I think that's like gets to the heart of it, right? Because I mean you'll hear a lot of people say like endurance athletes, I'll have demons, right? Like we all have something that we're battling, right? Um, or you know, a lot of people say that they do it for the, the tribe or the community and um, but yeah, I think that that demon question is really interesting to me cause I like to think that you, you can have like really good, strong mental health and still be a fast athlete. Um, which was like kind of my, my gamble this year. I was like, okay, can I like maintain solid mental health and also like be competitive, right? Because I know that like that, um, I don't know, I don't want to call it insecurity, but like that sort of, uh, like need to prove something is really potent and it makes you really fast, but it's not like a sustainable thing.
Dave::Well, no, and that's just like, so you talked about healthy motivations and then there's those unhealthy and nonsense stainable and they're, I, I've coached several people where it is like, their motivation is extrinsic and that runs out eventually because you, that person can't be there cheering them on during the race or during workouts. And you see it when the people struggle doing workouts on their own. And so, yeah, it's like, how do you, how do you work with somebody like that that's doing it for someone? What else? And it's like, you want to take six years off, learn to ice climb, right? I mean, that's what it has to come down to. It's like, if you're not doing it for years, if it's not internal, yeah. Then is it the wrong reason?
Lydia::Right. Yeah. I mean, well, and if it's the wrong reason, should you quit? Right, right. Or should you, like if you, if you realize you're doing it for the wrong reason, how do you turn it around and do it start doing it for a different reason or should you stop? I don't know.
Dave::Yeah, and I would say in my experience with some athletes that I've coached, when we have that conversation, it usually ends up when you have that kind of come to Jesus moment and they realize why, why they[inaudible]. Yeah, that's what you're saying. Oh, all of a sudden they just like, okay, I'm going to take a break. Yeah.
Lydia::Yeah. I mean, and I think that's probably okay because like, life's too short to spend it like doing something that you hate. Right. Um, and or that you're doing for like a reason that isn't like enriching you as a person or helping you grow. Right. Um, which is why I think it's so interesting that I totally quit and then still came back. I feel like I got this whole weird second chapter.
Dave::Yeah. And why D that's the one thing I wanted to ask you is like why, what was the catalyst for that? What made you decide that you wanted to give it another go? I know I've
Lydia::been, I've been thinking about this too. Um, I mean I think there's part of me that, uh, just from like, uh, it's, it was like a problem I wanted to solve. It was like a puzzle, you know? And um, I think it was kind of this like ultimate test after like working so hard on my mental health. Um, it was like this test to be like, all right, like if I'm good then I can get through this, you know, um, to like kind of go back into the ring and see if I could, um, like stick to my guns. Um, but yeah, I know it's that, but I was, I had to be really honest with myself. I was like, am I doing this for approval? Am I doing this because I live in Boulder again? And that's what everyone does, you know, am I like, you know, even at training peaks, I'm like, am I trying to like establish an identity in the office? Like I had to be really like straight up with myself and I really think it came[inaudible] down to like, just like curiosity. Like I was like, how do I solve this problem in a and can I do it? You know? And it was, it was really this, it was like a test for me, I guess. Yeah. And now I don't know what I'm going to do cause I basically was like, Oh cool. You can still go pretty fast and be happy. So, so now I've gotta figure out what the next thing to do is while you're about to race cross, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to do some cross, but that's mostly just to keep me riding until ski season and, um, because otherwise I don't know what I would be doing probably like, I don't know. So you also get back into knitting. You also coached the, uh, the Boulder junior cycling. Oh yeah. Yeah. You'd said, are you still coaching right now or are they in the off season? I am coaching one girl independently right now, um, who wanted to carry on with me from the mountain bike season. Um, but not, not like anyone officially. And then I will start again probably next spring. Um, but yeah, I coached, uh, the program here is amazing. There's uh, we had something like I want to see 40 kids and just the, the like serious mountain bike race group, which was, um, they're like 13 to 18. Um, and, and so of those of that group, um, I got to work with this group of like seven or eight girls on a pretty regular basis and Oh my God, they were so cool. Like I had so much fun working with then this year. I know you, what a great role model you are to have just kind of been through what you've just went through over this season. Yeah. Well to pass that on. Totally. Yeah. I remember were there is this day when we were going to go do like a LT test, um, just like a time trial of, uh, a piece of single track. And I'm like, right away people started pulling and it wasn't just the girls, it was like everyone, they were pulling out like every trick in the book. Like, I'm not feeling, I had a big test today. Like I don't know if I should do it. Like I, you know, like everything you can think of for like reasons why they were going to do badly or why this number wasn't going to be valid or you know, like I should do this a different day and I had to just sit them all down and I was like look like, uh, well. So we, we did one, we did one go at it and like everyone, you know, had a horrible time and it was really painful and we all got done and they're all like, Oh, it was like as like, okay, like let's say like tech take a step back and let's go through like what was going on in our minds during that. I was like, I don't know about you guys, but my brain was telling me like, who do you think you are? Like you have no business being out here. Like you're so fucking slow. Like I, I just laid it all out for him. Like my internal dialogue, which was really abusive. They were like, they all kind of were like, Oh. And it's like, yeah, like that doesn't go away. You just learn to deal with it, you know? And um, and I was like, you got to get these numbers even if you don't like'em because they give you a starting point and like, even if it's not the best number you can do, like it's just, it's like it's a measuring tool. You can't, you can't, uh, um, you can't fix what you can't measure. What's the, what's the word? You can't improve what you can't measure or whatever. Yeah. That which is measured improves. Someone said it really well the other day, but if you're going to have eight different iterations on that, which is yeah. Anyway. Um, and so yeah, it was, it was, it's really cool cause like I have done all those things as a racer also. Like I was just telling you how, um, with my coach back in the day, I used to, like, I was, I was reading through my old training journals just to like see what I was doing and see how hard it was. And I was like, Oh, I didn't, I never actually did a prescribed workout because I always had an excuse. Like, power meter is always broken. I always got lost. It was always too cold. And so like I, I know how scary it can be to have like, to get that like number and have to work on it. Um, and I know like a lot of the challenges that these kids are going through and, um, it's, I just like love seeing him go through it. I think it's so awesome. Yeah. Very rewarding. Yeah. And, and then also they got really, really fast, so that was really cool. The Boulder air. Yeah. Yeah. Must be that Boulder air. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, cool. Um, so if people wanted to follow you on the social medias, they'd be able to do that. Uh, well, my Instagram is lid loves mud. Um, because I do, I don't know if I really have any other social or anything. I'm on Facebook, but I don't really do anything on it. And you still write for you still do some? Um, yeah. So you can see, I do a lot of biker views. Um, you can find those usually on bike mag. Um, that's mainly who I'm writing for these days. Okay. Blog or anything? No, I used to have a blog, but I think domain died
Speaker 3:doing too much other writing now. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much for taking the time. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me.