17. Our Favourite TV Themes

Most of us would agree that music might just be the best time machine we have. It has the ability to take us right back to a specific point in time, a specific place, a specific memory, and one of the best examples of this is TV soundtracks.

That short opening sequence of melody and rhythm has the uncanny ability of staying in our heads, attaching itself to the memories and emotions we have from the show and the time itself. And despite lasting only a few seconds, these pieces of music are often surprisingly sophisticated, real compositions in their own right.

Join us as we share some of our favourite TV theme songs with each other.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Oh Here we are again, and we're talking about TV theme songs. Speaking of theme songs, how about that intro, eh? Well, you know, tell me, tell me what you're I can't be objective, so give me praise. Lots of praise.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

I think it sets the scene well, you know, it's nice and it's upbeat, it's um gives us a good vibe for what we're going for, you know, trying to be a bit more positive, talking about the music that we love and the things we love, trying to stay away from so much negativity. Yeah. So yeah, it works perfect for that.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

I like to hear that because that was literally what I tried to do. I thought to myself, like, yeah, it needs to feel good if people hear it somewhere else, it needs to have that connotation of this is cool, puts you in a good mood, you know? Mission accomplished. Yeah, and I like it how every time we get to the end, everyone plays the eardrums.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Well, at least we I'm gonna assume that uh the listeners do as well. Let us know if you also play the airdrums on that last little bit there.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

So what gave you the idea about TV themes? It was your idea, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Yeah, um actually it was one of those things where I just saw an Instagram clip um where somebody said, Hey, did you know that so-and-so was the vocals on this, you know, um famous theme song? Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

And you're not mentioning which one because it's probably one of your things.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

It is, it is it's one of my it's one of my selections, so that'll be towards the end of my picks. Um But yeah, it was it was one of those things where I thought, oh, you know, that is a it's a it's a really interesting point. Um a theme song, they can be they can become, you know, pop culture um I'm not not sure what the right word is here.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Icons? Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Yeah, yeah, you know, like they can they really do sort of embed themselves, you know. Some of them you only hear one or two notes in a certain sequence and your your brain immediately goes to that.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

And it's it's cool how ingrained they actually become um in our pop culture.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Right. Yeah, one of the reasons why I love theme songs, uh TV theme songs, is because they are actually usually musically really interesting. And you know, when I was growing up, a young kid in the 80s, you know, it was pre-streaming and pre-all of that. So access to music was part of the challenge. And a lot of the most sophisticated music that wasn't just radio songs, was movie soundtracks and TV themes. And and as a young kid, I actually really paid attention and learned a lot from these things because it was the only place I was hearing like interesting arrangements and key changes and horn sections and stuff like that. So this is part of my education, musically.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Yeah, and I mean, depending on the show, um, and I guess depending on the era of the show as well, you know, that's actually something that I thought was kind of interesting when I was looking for different examples. How, you know, if you have a show that's from sort of the 60s or 70s, it'll be almost more um orchestral, it's gonna be larger arrangements, um, then you kind of got more sort of synthie and stuff in the 80s, and then in the 90s it kind of went more into sort of rocky grungy area and stuff. Yeah, it's cool.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Yeah, and it'll be interesting. I'm I'm quite undecided whether we're gonna have all the same songs or not. Like I initially I thought we're just gonna obviously have at least like a third of them or two-thirds of them be the same.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Yeah, I'm curious to see.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

But you are from Canada, you know. I wonder if that changes things. I don't know. I mean, did we watch all the same TV shows?

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Well, there was one that I thought this one um I'm sure you would at least p get right away. Yeah. But then when I was looking at the history of the of the show and all the stuff, I realized that it was basically a Canadian-run show, so you might not get it at all.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Uh because the other interesting thing is that you're I mean, obviously Canada's part of the British Empire, um, which I mean I I assume that means that you guys got loads of the British shows and stuff as well, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:48

We did. Um you get a lot of the American shows as well. Yeah, so a little bit of both.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Yeah, we were both. I'm always surprised when I talk to an American, they haven't heard of certain things. Like they haven't heard of Faulty Towers or they haven't heard of Billy Connolly or whatever. Yeah, you know, that always kind of amazes me. But then I think, oh yeah, but we are the country that, you know, like same as Australia, where we are the little the little brother in a way, heavily influenced by both sides of the ocean. Yeah, definitely. Is that true for for Canada or very much.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Uh I have often remarked that New Zealand like the New Zealand and Australia relationship does feel pretty similar to the the Canadian and American relationship that's maybe changed a little bit in the last few years, but yeah, and a lot of people point out that Canada and New Zealand have a lot of similarities.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Definitely. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, which is interesting. So yeah, I yeah, I wonder if it'll just be a case of every single theme as you know, we've both picked. I think I don't think so. I think I've picked a few that you wouldn't have got.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Yeah, and I feel like I've probably picked a few that I don't even know if you would have watched that kind of show, so you know. So uh Days of Our Lives. Yeah, exactly. Beverly Hills 90210 and Dawson's Creek.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Yeah, I think I watched Dawson's Creek a little bit. I don't think I ever watched Beverly Hills. Uh I don't think I watched either, to be perfectly honest. But it was also that era where, you know, whatever's on TV is on TV. Yeah, you know, and and you know, uh I mean there were a lot of shows like that I probably did see because my sister would have been watching them or something like that. So I would have been walking around, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

Um that's actually that's an interesting point too. Um whatever was on TV was on TV. Yeah, but that's why we also had that sort of shared pop culture. It's not everybody was in hey, hey, what what streaming service do you have and which shows are you able to watch on that streaming service where it was, hey, guess what? This is on you know Tuesday at seven.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Right tune in. It sounds worse, doesn't it? But I liked it better. When you when there were like three channels and you know the show that you really liked is starting in an hour, and what's on now, and it's like the news or some boring documentary or this stupid sort of drama show, and you're like, Well, I guess I'll just pick one of them and just wait for my good show to come on, and then you sometimes get to like the thing you like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get sucked into it or whatever, you know. Um but it it certainly did mean that we were all part of the same zeitgeist. Yeah, for sure. Which is um yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame it's not like that. It's quite a serious point in some ways as as well, isn't it? Because it was a group think in a way. And I think a lot of the polarization in today's society is actually related to that too.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Yeah, I d definitely agree. Um you know, I think that's also why some of these songs became such big pop culture icons, because we actually had a a more shared pop culture at the time.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Right, exactly. Yeah. So again, we don't know what each other's picks are. We've also decided that we're not gonna say what it is straight away to see if the other person can guess. Although a lot of them will be pretty obvious. I was gonna say, my first one you're gonna guess, I'm pretty sure within half a second. Yeah. And of course a lot of them will even have the name of the show in the music. Yeah. Yeah, that will. Um but uh there will also be a couple. I can't I've saved my best one for last.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

I I'm not gonna say you wouldn't know it. It's probably there's a very good chance you will know it, but I think you'll if you don't agree, it's the coolest pick ever made, then you know, we've got problems.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

There there is a couple that I purposely didn't pick because I was thinking and hoping that you would. Right. So I'm curious to see if you did.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

So is there anything else to say, or do we do we just go to it?

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Go to the first one. Well, one thing one thing I think I would say, you know, in the first um in one of our early episodes when we were talking about what is a musician, and we talked about how music um can make you feel a certain emotion right away. I feel like theme songs are a really good example of this. Um, you know, some of them it's just a couple a couple little notes, but it immediately makes you feel a certain way. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Yeah, and and I agree, but how would you flesh that out? Like how would you explain why that happens? I don't know. That's why I'm gonna um lean on your music theory uh knowledge. Oh, you mean on a theory level?

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Well, yeah. I mean sometimes sometimes it is just in the um arrangement or or it's in the actual instruments that they're using. Like, you know, I guess we'll look at the example shortly when we get into them.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

A lot of the stuff is written quite modally, and people who understand the modes will know that the modes have different emotions to them. So um it's one of the great tools that composers and arrangers will use is they'll know that you know the the such and such mode is sort of evokes evokes a certain feeling or whatever. So there's there are explanations in the music like that. Um what I was actually getting at was more the sentimental, you know, emotional memory sort of thing. Like a lot of the a lot of the music that I've chosen takes me straight back, you know, to a moment in time. Yeah, you know? It's like time machine. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, it really is. Okay, let's go to your first one. Cool. What's an anno what's annoying is I can't put my finger on it yet. Okay. I know it very, very well.

SPEAKER_04 8:48

Oh, Adam's handlow.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

I knew it really well as well. Yeah, I was a bit surprised you didn't get that one right away.

SPEAKER_04 8:56

I don't think I really watched this chart.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

So, like, I'm pretty sure this is the original recording from the 1964 version. Right. Written by Vic Misty.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

So iconic. I like to think about how it came to be in terms of you know who wrote the lyrics. Was it was the were the lyrics written by a committee in the company somewhere and they passed it over to the to the writer and said, use these lyrics and write something with this feeling and or or did they hand the whole thing over, or you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

This is the theme of the show, this is what we're gone for. What would you How many sound effects you want to put in?

SPEAKER_00 9:52

I don't know if it goes that far back, but I I know these days uh a lot of the time they're pitching. So you know, they'll invite people to pitch songs. Oh yeah, and so they'll end up with because I've known people over in LA who have pitched songs that haven't been picked up, but um I actually met the guy who wrote the Spongebob soundtrack randomly. Oh you know I almost picked that song. It's funny, I I met him um through a mutual friend. He's like, This is Evan, he wrote the Spongebob soundtrack. And I'm like, Cool, never watched Spongebob. Well I think I was almost almost an adult by then.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

That song, you know, that I'd say that that Spongebob intro song, that is a bit of a uh pop culture um Titan today. Like it's one of those things.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

For that generation, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Yeah, like I'd say for probably like the generation just below me, you know. Right. Um, but yeah, you you play that little aye aye, captain or whatever it is. Like, I'm sure you've probably even heard it. Like it's it's very popular, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Well, I would have heard it, yeah, because it's just around. Yeah. Okay, I've also chosen a very obvious one and a very important one to me for my first one. Oh, he doesn't know it. Interesting. Not yet, anyways. The feelings this song gives me. No? I don't know this one. Really? Yeah, isn't it? It's also a Canadian. Um I never watched the Kniver. See, that's that explains it. Everything we disagree about, I think, comes down to the other. How can you not have function?

SPEAKER_01 11:28

I mean I'm done with it, obviously, but yeah, I think that's all it was. And I'm just a little bit before my time.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

And I've got an interesting triple run now. It feels like it changes time signature, but doesn't just a little like polyrhythm thing on the polyrhythm thing that that kind of throws your ear on where the one is. Yeah, it's really cool. There's a danger.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

And and and that's what's McGiver gonna get out of this one, eh?

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Exactly. And that opening scene has all these different shots of him, you know, jumping up onto the helicopter and like getting out, you know, spinning around and ducking out ducking behind the fence or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

But um Yeah, I definitely I definitely know the show, and I'm seeing clips and stuff over the years, but yeah, it wasn't one that I know the I know the theme song for.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

And I and I I mentioned this on the Yacht Rock episode, but it's a show that's often mocked for and fair enough, like I said, on the past episode. Oh yeah, it's a little bit more cheesy, it's very 80s, very cheesy. Um and a lot of the gags of him getting out of stuff were um heavily exaggerated. You know, the show the writers said that they it was important to them that there was science behind all of the gags, that there was some kind of underpinning logic to it. But they they exaggerated it, and you know, uh Richard Dean Anderson is the Canadian who played MacGyver. Um and he said that one, MacGyver would have to be incredibly lucky the whole time to always have the right bits and pieces, yeah. And for the for it to always work. But the other thing was uh I've seen other people point out actually that a lot of the quantities weren't right. Like, yes, that chemical would create that thing, but you would need like three buckets of it. Yeah, and he found like a little bit, you know, and stuff like that. But it's still cool, and like I said on the Ot Rock episode, it taught me as a kid that when you think you're screwed, but there's there's you know, think a bit longer, you'll you'll find a way out. Problem solving's cool. Exactly, exactly. It also made every kid my age want a Swiss army knife.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Yeah. Well, I mean, hey, there it's a good utility tool.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

I'm shocked you didn't know that one straight away. Sorry, I feel bad. I'm I'm kind of excited though. Like, what's what's this one gonna be? Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I didn't put this one. I think I even thought about it.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

It's another one where it's just those two notes.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

That's all it takes. It's got such a great little saxophone on it. It's it's got such a um what am I trying to say? It's like a creepiness sort of thing, or a sleaziness to it, or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

And I mean that that's kind of what I why I wanted to mention that point at the start, where um you know, relatively simple song, simple music, but it does immediately evoke that feeling of, oh, something's going on. What are we, you know, what are we doing? Where yeah, what what's the what's the heist? What are we what are we after here?

SPEAKER_00 14:34

I think you'll find it's not as simple as you think. Oh, it never is. Yeah, if you're never structured. Yeah. But yeah, great song. Legendary. Now, this one that I've chosen uh next is absolutely an obvious one. If you don't know this, I'm walking down. Oh, see.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

I was I was hoping you'd pick this one, so I left this was one of the ones I left off.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

I think this song is extraordinary. It really is. Yeah, the writing on this is amazing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Actually a pretty complex arrangement. Very complex. Yeah. I can see the scene in my head. It was also plutonium folded.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

I always loved it how they had those changes. Yeah. And he you know how uh, you know, what he wrote wrote on the backboard was often different, and good.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

And just to make all the sound effects actually work with the song, you know, not just being kind of hand fisted in there.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

It is quite interesting hearing it without seeing it.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Yeah. I'd love to hear it without the sound effects, actually, just to purely take in the music. Because it's really sophisticated, sophisticated writing.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Yeah. That is such a good intro song. Yeah, I kind of assumed you might have picked that one, but like you said, you left it off. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

I figured one of us had to, and I was just hoping that you did. Yeah. This is on my honorable mentions, just in case you didn't get that one. Pretty easy one.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Again, I thought about this one, and then I was like, eh. I think the reason why I left this one off is because I never really liked it that much.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Yeah, fair enough. Uh this is one and I think the song, the intro song's almost bigger than the show. You know?

SPEAKER_00 16:44

I like the show more than the song. I mean, I just I don't mind the song. I didn't hate it. I was just I guess it's like once you've heard it the first 300 times.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

You have heard it, you know, multiple hundred times.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Yeah, I know, but it's just so heavily about the lyrics and you know, the the story. You know, the story wears off a little bit. But it's alright. I mean, people love it. What am I talking about? Although, I guess recent events have made people love this a little bit less. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

This is uh Quincy Jones um produced this. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Because he basically discovered both. Do you do love it?

SPEAKER_00 17:28

It's an earworm.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

It is an earworm. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a very good example of an earworm. Yeah, it gets stuck in your head for a little while.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

No, I know you're gonna give me shit for this one, but you can fuck off because this is one of the greatest things ever written.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

Oh yeah. Uh this is Night Rider, right? Yeah. Yeah. And actually, I almost had this one too.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Yeah.

unknown 17:50

Nightrider.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

I can still whenever I hear this, I immediately envision the seepier colored car in the desert. Yeah. But I was so young when this was on, and I don't even know if I saw it in real time. I might have seen repeats. Because I think it was like 82.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

Yeah, I think it was.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Yeah, and I would have only been three in 82, so but it just gave me this like- I remember the ad break would finish, and then it would cut to the screen and this music, and it would just be so exciting. Yeah. That black car, the sexiest car ever made, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

I mean, even the intro song, you know, it's got an edge to it. Yeah, there's a bit of danger here, there's a bit of excitement. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

And I've got a couple other things to show you. I believe it was Glenn Larson who wrote the piece of music. And it was heavily plagiarized. So he took uh he took one of those that that high melody from uh from a piece of music. Uh let's see. I'm gonna botch this. Mache et cortege de buches bouches from the ballet Sylvia by French composer Leo Delebes. I think I just lost all our French lessons. But but if you check this out. Wait for it. That line was totally lifted. This time it changes slightly.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

So he lifted that line. We don't call that stealing anymore, we call it sampling.

unknown 19:45

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Well, this is the other one where where it really is controversial because apparently this has all been denied. But in 1982 a song came out called Sphinx. Where are my notes? Sphinx by German electronic musician Harry Thumann. And this is basically the same thing, and you'll hear it straight away. But Glenn Larson has always denied it. And when uh when people have asked him, he gets really evasive and defensive. Just wait till it gets to the next bit.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

He copied me. And this bit?

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Yeah. Same groove? It's exactly the same tempo? Cool groove. Really good groove. Yeah. Yeah. But like, how could that be an accident? The same year.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Who knows? Maybe they came up maybe it was uh flash in their mind at the same time. Who knows?

SPEAKER_00 20:56

It's not totally impossible. They could they could have been all influenced by the same thing or something. But like people online have pointed out, it's exactly the same tempo. Yeah, yeah. And you didn't you didn't change anything. It's too much, you know, it's too much. Yeah, that's pretty close. Alright, your one's next. I think you'll get this one. Okay. Oh yeah. Again, I didn't put this on on my list, but I did put it on my honorable mentions.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Taking a break from all your work. This makes me want to go to a pub and have pub friends.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Wouldn't you like to do it?

SPEAKER_00 21:29

I'm not a drinker. It's funny because a couple of the songs on my honorable mention. Um, I left off because they were actually songs.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Yeah, rather than sure.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Yeah, and not that that was a rule, but I just thought I was just more interested in the stuff that was more written for the show and more cinematic or something.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Yeah, I was I was kind of split on this. Yeah. Because some of my favorite ones are songs, and I feel like some of them almost become more iconic as a theme song than like a lot of them you don't. Actually, I know the artist, you know. No, not this one. Yeah. Who was this one? Gary Portnoy. This was actually one of his first first songs. This was sort of his debut. So I wonder if this was a hit first and then it was attached to the show the other way around. I think so, but I'm not sure. Right. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't uh put my sta any sort of stake in that.

unknown 22:19

The morning's looking right.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

This is a very long version of it. This is this is uh I think this is the full song. The full song, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Yeah, you can fade that out. I think you know what song what show it is.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Well, yes, chairs.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

I didn't even feel the need to say it. I feel like that's a slightly different arrangement too. I don't remember that electric guitar.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

I'm not sure either. It might have it might have faded out before then as well. Yeah, maybe. Like I think the actual intro might have only been a you know a minute 30 seconds or a minute and ten or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

I've gotta say, generally speaking, I'm very, very proud of my list.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Yeah, I'm very happy with it. Yeah, yeah. I just I just you know, I shortlisted it and I'm like, I just I just feel so comfortable defending all my picks. And they're just such cool pieces of music. Like this one, I loved hearing this every night until just over ten years ago when they went off the air.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

From New York! Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

It's the late show with David Linnerman.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

And every night the band would play it live. So it was always slightly different. But the writing, the musicianship, it's just incredible. They didn't use the roots, who's no, that's Jimmy Fellon. Jimmy Phelps, yeah. No, they had the David Linnerman band. Yeah, killer band.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

King of social media.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

That's live, remember?

SPEAKER_01 23:47

I did it every night, but you get pretty good if you're doing it every night. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

But all these guys in the band, they're all monsters. You have to be. Yeah. It's one of my favourite things about that show, like that they'd be playing, they were often the band behind the guest artist, just to make it easier. And they were learning things on the fly really quickly. I mean, you could tell that they were, you know, they were handed stuff that afternoon to have ready for that nice performance. And often Paul Schaefer would pick up on a comment in you know, in the conversation, if someone mentioned something or start singing something, he'd immediately be in key with them and start playing the song. And then the band would all lock in. Like, I I understand how that works. I can do that to some degree, but it's it's to watch it being done to that level.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

To that level. Yeah, that's very impressive.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

It's so good. It made it yeah, it's one more reason why I just adored that show. Yeah. What a tragedy that that show went off the air.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

I mean it was on the air for a very long time, wasn't it? Not long enough. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Yeah, I think it was 35 years. Yeah. Crazy. But um I depended on him, you know? I depended on the end of each night and hearing his point of view on things, and his interviewing style was so funny. I just love the fact that he kind of never wanted to be there.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

At least he gave that vibe, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Especially in this age we live in where everyone's like, hey guys, come to my gig and listen to my single, and it's all so desperate. Yeah. And Let him is like, is it home time? Can I go now?

SPEAKER_01 25:12

He's really leaned into that now with like the homeless beard and stuff. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

I loved it. Yeah. Okay, what do we got here? Oh, yeah, right. Not a show I watched a huge amount, but I watched it a bit. I love this show. Iconic soundtrack for sure. Talk about nailing the the vibe.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

How good is it? It immediately makes you a little bit, a little bit uneasy, a little bit uncomfortable. You can tell something's weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

I'd be curious what it is actually that that gives it that sort of feel. I mean, it's the the scale they're using, but it's also, of course, the instrument choice, and that's got that drony pad underneath the bottom that's staying still, gives it a sense of danger. Um yeah, you're on edge a little bit the whole the whole time. Yep. Yep, that's amazing. And I think you'll I'll just go straight to my next pick because I think you'll agree this is very similar in its perfection.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Yep. Almost pick this one. Yeah. But that's yeah, exactly the same, right? It it only takes a couple notes and it immediately gives you that feeling.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

Yeah. I mean the X-Files immediately puts you into that mindset of creepiness and and uh you know the the alien vibe and all of that sort of stuff. But of course, um Breaking Bad is shot in New Mexico and it's got that desert vibe to it, and that immediately puts you in the desert, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Yeah. Yeah. And that little that little shaker on the end there kind of gives you rattlesnakes. Rattlesnake, exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

So cool. Yeah. That was a great show, too. One of the best. So good. I've already watched it twice. Another obvious one.

unknown 26:51

No one told you that was gonna be this.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

It would be criminal if we didn't have this one on the show.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Yeah, you have to.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Again, uh, again, I probably discounted it on minus because it's a song.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Um I think it was a song that existed before the show, pretty sure.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

I think it did too. Um the Rembrandt.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Rembrandt. Yeah. I always want to say the Remembrance, but the Rembrandt, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Actually, quite a fun one to play and sing. We do that at the jam night sometimes. We do? Yeah. We've done it a few times. Oh. Danny doesn't pay attention.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

So most things. He's in his own world. No, that's great. I mean, it it was obviously very fitting for setting the vibe for that show.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Yeah, I think it definitely, you know. I I agree with with what you're saying, where, you know, I don't think that's necessarily written for the show, but um it does really give you the vibe that you want for that show, sort of right off the bat.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

I don't think that's an important rule. It was just the way I was looking at it. Yeah, no. I mean, loads of shows have amazing songs. And again, on my honourable mentions list is a few more. And yeah, I don't know. I was just particularly interested in the other ones, but you know, that's one of the most iconic soundtracks probably ever.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

I know, that's why I figured that one kind of had to be there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

Um it's also very fitting, because check this out.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

They're perfectly beside each other.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Isn't that amazing?

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Okay, you can skip my number nine track.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Okay, tell me when they get there. A lot of people don't realize this isn't a bass, it's played on the keyboard.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

Hmm. If it's a sample? So it's like slap samples. Yep. I like it when shows also change. When they change from like episode to episode or season to season. And this is a song that moved around quite a bit. Like, I think I think I'm right in saying they re-recorded this every single time. Maybe not this part, but when the show starts. But they've always they always had like the intro. The stand up it, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think it changed around that a bit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

So good.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

I can see your next one has a big fade-in on it. Is it a fade-in? I'm looking at the sound wise.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Uh a little bit. I think this it is just a bit of a quieter one, too. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

No? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Spec the gadget, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love this show. Listen the hi-hat work. I think this is from there is where I know it.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

They probably cut it maybe at that point.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Yeah, well I think I think that low um the intro is always like there's a bunch of stuff going on, so you don't really click to edit the music yet.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

It's crossed my mind this one. I don't know why I didn't have to be looked for it.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

I love the drumming in it though.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

So this bit wasn't on the show, eh?

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Uh, it was in the version I remember. Oh. It was always that this was like sort of the end, and he's doing all sorts of hijinks and he's going around with his helicopter hat and shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Yeah, I don't remember that kind of bridge thing. Then again, I don't know if I've heard this since like 1992 or something.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Yeah, when was this? 83 to 85. Right. But repeat's cool. Oh, yeah, there was yeah, so many, so many reboots for sure. That's cool. I'm glad that one's in there. Oh yeah, I almost picked this one too.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

So good. I should have also lined up the Simpsons version of it. Do you remember that one? I forgot they did that. Yeah, it's just so good.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

I almost picked this one and I must pick the Jetsons. Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

So good. I also thought people might enjoy this. It's quite famous. This is uh when Sting was rehearsing for his first solo show when he left the police and he went solo, right? There's a movie called Bring On the Night, which documents him and the band writing and rehearsing the show and then playing the show at the end. And randomly during one of the rehearsals, Brandford Marcellus brings up the Flintstones and they break into it.

SPEAKER_05 31:24

Oh, cool. Flintstones was one of my favorites, though, all the time. The Flintstones. With the Flintstones. You know that thing? No. Yes, you do. Teach me. All British people know the Flintstones. That's a lie.

SPEAKER_03 31:37

With the Flintstones. Yeah, I know. We started singing in the wrong thing.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Ooh, they danced it up a lot.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

They started it pretty high.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

Oh, that's cool. I got to meet that bass player, Darryl Jones. Oh, cool. Behind the lamp there is his autograph. Oh, look at it. Yeah, he's now playing for the Rolling Stones.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Don't know if you've heard of them, but yeah, I've I've heard of them. Yeah. Yeah. I think they'll be alright. They're okay. They've got a a bright future. Now this one's gonna be a bit loud. Um I couldn't find a quiet recording for some reason, so I'll just turn it down then. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:43

Butterfly in the sky.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Wow. No idea. Really? Not yet.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Take a look.

unknown 32:50

It's in a book.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

A reading rainbow.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Well, that was the name of the show. Reading Rainbow. Never heard of LeVar Burton? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Reading Rainbow? Yeah. There was a kid show called Rainbow.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

No, so this this was a kid show. It was an old PBS kid show. Okay. Um, where basically LeVar Burton came out and read books and made you excited to read.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

This was a very, very big deal for me growing up.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Did you actually have to show Rainbow? I'm not sure. With the puppet zippy? Had a zip zip for a mouth? No. Wow. Random. Yeah. I don't think they'd have played here. Or if it did, I missed it.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Yeah, I'm not sure. It was so that was um P uh PBS is sort of like public broadcasting services, right? So that was one of yours. Uh if you didn't have cable or something, you'd at least get shows like like Reading Rainbow. Um and it was really it was a a really good educational show. Um I'm surprised you didn't know that one. I don't know again, I just I don't think it was played here. That went from started in 1983 and went to 2006.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

So question for you what is the most famous song written in a 5A groove that most people wouldn't know is in a 5A groove? Because it's so brilliantly written that you don't realize it's odd because it feels so right. I have no idea, but I imagine we're gonna find out shortly. One, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five, three. You don't know this? Oh, yeah, I do, sorry. Mission Impossible, right? Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you just never clicked, it was odd, right? No. It's so perfectly written. This is from the original TV show, obviously, not the Tom Cruise movie. I mean, they always kept the same melody. But I was super angry with one of those movies where they straightened it out and put it into four. I think it was like Limp Biscuit or some stupid band like that. And made like they took the coolest part of it and took it out. Stupid band.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

They must not have been able to count to five.

SPEAKER_00 34:57

I think that's probably it. They couldn't play it.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

What's that saying before Pro Tools there was pros?

SPEAKER_00 35:07

I haven't heard that before. That's great. Yeah, that was good. Yep, I think that's that's one of the top ones. I think you can skip this one. Oh, this one we've already had? Yeah. That's too good. We had to have that one. Does that mean we go straight to my one? I think so. Again, yeah. Okay. This is pretty classic.

SPEAKER_05 35:27

It's the mother jaw, we don't know yet.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

That kind of gives it away a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Again, when I was super young, like younger than most people would assume a kid would be paying attention, I was all totally paying attention to the to the arrangement, to the conversation between the instruments, you know. I I genuinely think I learned a lot about music at this time in my life. You probably did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

There's a lot of really good music in a lot of these different shows, right? And it annoys me because people have this attitude, well, you know, kids kids don't know, you can just dumb it down, play them the sort of generic silly kids' music and stuff like that. No, these kids are their their minds are fertile, you know, they're Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

They're they're you're absorbing information like you never will the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Absolutely, yeah. My daughter's about to turn four, and we're really mindful of exposing her and getting her into interesting music and just everything, like having instruments around for her to play with, even though she's not really at the point that she's playing anything, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:31

Yeah, I've never quite understood the mentality of dumbing things down.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

No. Shouldn't we strive for better? Absolutely, yeah. I mean kids are quite amazing because even if they don't fully understand something intellectually, of w of course they wouldn't, you know. But they take it in, they hear the patterns. Definitely. They feel the emotions in their own way and they make their own connections to things. I don't know yeah, I don't know where that comes from. I don't know either. I think there is a part of our culture that is made up from boring, uninspired, tiny little people.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

Not to throw any shade.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

No, no shade at all. But they're the ones who are often quite passive aggressive.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Rather tear somebody down than build someone up. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

And they've got this sort of patronizing tone about them. And, you know, I think a lot of it's a projection. They don't get it, so they assume you won't get it.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

I I I I think there is a lot of that out there. Um I always kind of get that feeling too when you ever you hear somebody call someone else like, you know, it's a bit of a uh a term nowadays with the younger kids, but they'll say, oh, something's cringe, and it's like So what? Yeah, who cares?

SPEAKER_00 37:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

Put put yourself out there. At least that person's willing to put themselves out there.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

And what does cringe mean? It's old, it's out of date, it just means or it's cheesy.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

It's just a new term for somebody. It's easier, like I say, it's easier to throw a bit of shade and try and make yourself feel better than it is to actually applaud somebody for actually putting themselves out there or trying something new.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

And it cuts down that exactly trying something new. It actually it actually attacks the pioneering spirit. Yeah. The the spirit of like I mean, it's so interesting these days that people are really afraid of being creative. And I experienced that a lot in in my lessons.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

I wonder if the fact that everything is recorded these days. You know, if you're if you're good at anything, you're real shit at it for a long time. You have to be able to fail for years before you get good at anything. Right. And nobody's willing to be shit at things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Well, that's okay to be shit, people. Absolutely. It's interesting. I think you're right. Things get documented until people are afraid of things sticking. Um it's also interesting timing because I just shared that clip with you, that video clip of me playing when I was about 17. Yeah. Which was just for fun, obviously, but you're right, because that was already quite a few years into my career, uh into my playing life, I mean, not even a career. Um, and I was kind of unafraid of screwing up, and we weren't very good. I mean I I watched that back and and I think we were pretty good given that we were totally untrained 17-year-olds just going out and giving it a go.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

You had a lot of passion. And that's what you need to get good, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:06

That's what you say when people suck.

unknown 39:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

You're 15.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

Yeah. You're yeah, you're thrashing around, it was cool. Yeah. I mean, I thought we were doing okay. Uh especially yeah, consider the fact that we're we're put together ourselves, we're self-motivated, we wrote the songs ourselves, we we organise everything ourselves, you know what I mean? Like we're we're all right, but we certainly weren't like a young CV wonder, you know. Um but you're right, we we weren't worried about every single bad gig we did being filmed and you know, kept forever on socials.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

I think if you're in that mindset, you're never gonna do anything interesting. Yeah. Because you're never gonna get through that awkward crap phase. Which which everybody has. That's just part of the journey.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

And I I do experience that a lot in my guitar lessons because people are really afraid to make mistakes and really afraid to put themselves on the edge or make themselves vulnerable. And I spend a lot of my time trying to encourage people not to worry about it. Like we we all make mistakes, you know, as part of the process, just lean into it. And you know, that's I think an important thing to teach in lessons.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

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SPEAKER_00 41:00

Damn it. So you're paying more attention than I thought.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

What I'm gonna have to do now is just memorize the line because I have a feeling there's gonna be some some trip ups every time. I'm gonna get you.

SPEAKER_00 41:07

I'm gonna get you.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

Okay, that was good. Oh, I'd be surprised if you get this one. Yeah, no idea. So that little melody there, that's sort of the the um the part that sticked. But this is from the X-Men animated series from uh the early to mid-90s.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

Uh okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

No never once it's all that. And that little ten-year-old Mike he would be ready to run through a fucking brick wall after this song came on.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

We've already mentioned we've already talked about it off mic, but we definitely need to do another one of these episodes about movie soundtracks. Yeah, for sure. Because uh some of those are the same for me. I'm like ready to I'm ready to go. Yeah. Bring it on.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

And the guy who did this one was the same one who did the Pink Panther theme. Random. Yeah. Oh, sorry, no, it wasn't Pink Panther, it was Inspector Gadget.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, I've just kept the theme going with this one, uh, is per my last one.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

I don't know this one.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

The lyrics will tell you so.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

So Jim Henson uh was an influence on Yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:58

And everyone else from our generation. They were amazing. That whole company is amazing. They really were. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

You know, all the music and I was thinking before, all the music and like the Muppets movies and stuff over the years has always been really good. Absolutely. It's clearly something they pay a lot of attention to.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

They're just people who love excellence and craft. Doesn't matter if they're making puppets or making music or whatever. They're just frego rock. I always loved how he sounded like he couldn't care less, you know? Yeah. Down a frego rock, leave me alone. Yeah, that's good. You've got another very long one here. Yeah, we didn't we can That's what she said.

SPEAKER_01 43:37

Rooney's not here, so I have to throw that out.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Doesn't work, does it?

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Now this is a pretty new one. This show only came out in 2022.

SPEAKER_05 43:49

Surrounded by losers, Miss Fitz.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Yeah, I'm not gonna know this one. Why is it so long? It's an actual song. It's Mick Jagger. So he did. The uh intro song for slow horses, right? But this is one um you know how so many shows these days have that skip the intro song? Right, yes. This is one of those shows I never skip the intro. Come on, the song. And and what did you say the name of the show? Slow horses. Never heard of it. It's uh Apple TV. It's uh it's about basically like uh MI5 agents who are like outfits. It's sort of like the Island of Misfit toys of MI5 agents. Right. Um with Danny Oldman. Yeah he he's uh or sorry, Gary Oldman. Um he's the uh the the sort of main character of the show and it's phenomenal. Yeah, highly recommended.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

Interesting. Yeah, I don't have Apple TV. I need to get it. Everyone keeps telling me about great shows that are on it.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

Honestly, the um you know, if I were to re-subscribe to uh uh streaming service, it would be Apple TV. We've kind of found that we just will start watching random shows and most of them are pretty good. Yeah. They don't mess very often.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

Yeah. So this this one I picked next is actually not exactly the theme song, sort of. The show had a slightly different piece of music at the front as it did to the back. I think it's the same piece of music, but a different slightly different arrangement of it. But the the outro music I thought was just devastating. I thought it was one of the saddest pieces of pieces of music I've ever heard. And yeah, is it the days of our lives? No, it's the love boat. No. Let's see if you know this.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

I think you might not, but a lot of like Japanese animes will play stuff like this. So that's that's sort of the feeling it gives me as another start, but I can't say I've ever watched anime.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

No, I don't know this one. Okay. This is the original TV series of The Incredible Hulk. Oh, cool. The with Lou Farigna? Yeah. Oh, cool. And it always ended with him uh not as the Hulk, walking down the street with the camera looking at his back. Like, I I I mean I was watching reruns when I was a kid because this is way earlier. But I remember thinking, like, this show was so sad. And and they've totally lost that spirit in the Marvel version of it all. Is it Marvel or DC? Marvel. Okay, good. I just heard heard people shouting. They're still shouting because I didn't know. Um, but they've lost that side of the incredible Hulk, and I loved that part of the show, the fact that this was a tortured character.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

He the Incredible Hulk is him losing control, and he hated that side of himself, and it made him extremely lonely, pushed away from people, and it's like such an interesting story. And then when I heard they were bringing the Hulk back in the Marvel movies, I was like, How are they gonna do that? This is like him on his worst day, you know? And then you see him, you know, in around the board table saying, We've got to go and get the bad guys, let's go and do this now. And I'm like, What?

SPEAKER_01 47:07

Yeah, they they definitely changed the character over the years. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

Yeah, and I don't know which one is loyal to the comics, because often I will make that comment about Marvel characters, and someone will say, Yeah, but the original comic was more like what they're doing now or whatever. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

I th yeah, I think it might have been. Um which one? More towards what they're doing now. Okay. At least some of the comics that I read with them.

SPEAKER_00 47:27

So the TV show might have changed it.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Possibly. Yeah. I mean, they they obviously didn't have the same sort of effects and everything that you have today, so they would have been working within the constraints of what they could actually do with the the show and the story as well. Yeah. You know, you make it more of a human thing because yeah, even though Luf Rigno is is huge, it's not really the Hulk that you have from the comics.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

So it's hard to adjust though for someone like me, you know, to come into that universe and watch this like cartoon character try to look as dangerous as a grown man covered in green paint.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Some of the footage in the clips back are quite funny when you watch them nowadays, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 48:05

But at the time. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Just like Night Rider's dashboard, you know, at the time it was the most lights you'd ever seen. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

And more lights means more fancy. That's right. I'd be surprised if you know this one. Yeah, no idea. This was uh goosebumps.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

Oh, okay. Oh, that's cool. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:41

Hip hop feet with a kind of jazz piano. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

And then scale it used in that previous run-up that it never really resolved. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. That got me amped up and scared every time.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

The power of music, hey. Yep. Wow. It's a good one, isn't it? Yeah, it's a really good one. Good call. Okay, what have I got next? I don't remember. You really don't know this one? No, I don't think so. Not from my era. Decades before me, but again, reruns. I assumed this was re- re-ran all over the world. Uh. It feels familiar, but I can't put my finger on it. I'm gonna get a limb here and say your mom is gonna be so disappointed with you. Shout out to Max Mum. Yeah, it's Gips Mutt.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

Oh, okay. In my head, I was thinking, um I was thinking Charlie's Angels, and I was thinking the 18, but I know it's not the 18 because they had that whole like speaking thing. Yep. Yeah, that's a cool one, but no. We just think you'll get this one.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

Oh yeah. Red and Slimpy. No, no, South Park. Oh yeah, yeah. My brain went to the wrong place. Primus and Les Caporal without temptation.

SPEAKER_02 50:30

Going down South Park.

SPEAKER_00 50:31

I was in the right era.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

I think it's hilarious that it's Las Capable.

SPEAKER_00 50:38

Yeah, I heard him talking about this when he was asked to do it. He knew Trey, I think. Oh, okay. And um it was like, hey dude, can you just do this thing for me and whatever? And they weren't successful yet, and he was like, Yeah, yeah, whatever. Kind of knocked it together. He had absolutely no idea that the show was gonna blow up like it did. I mean and now he's it's one of the most famous things he ever did.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

1997 and it's still running today. Yeah. That's insane. Did that get cut off? Uh no, that is it does this is the original. So if you watch the later seasons, it will run a bit longer. Oh, okay. Um, but yeah, that was the the I think from season one to five. Right. That was the recording.

SPEAKER_00 51:15

Yeah. Well, I think you're gonna be happy about this one. I'm pretty sure you mentioned this earlier.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

Oh, there we go. I forgot the long intro. Yeah, I love the device.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

Again, what an amazing piece of music, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

I used to sing this in for all.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Yeah, another earworm. I just remember, like, I'm pretty sure this is the 60s. Yep. And this would have been an orchestra. Would have been done in one go. Yeah, crazy. So good.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

I love that part.

SPEAKER_00 52:02

And then they go into chopsticks. Yeah. And the sound effects are so good.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

Yeah. Captures the vibe of the show perfectly.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

Why are all yours so long? Um we can fade it out. Just an interesting pattern I'm noticing.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

This was the song that originally gave me the idea for this. For the episode. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 52:32

Every day when you're walking down the street, and everybody likes to meet. That's an original point of view.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

I don't know. No. Uh different.

SPEAKER_01 52:58

So this is Do you know it? I can't pick the TV chuck, but I've heard this. This is from another PBS kit show. This is Arthur. And it's uh performed by Ziggy Marley and the Melody Makers. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. So yeah, it's Bob Marley's Kid. Yep. And this is another one that just gets you so excited, you know. Learn to work and play, get along with each other, go out and explore the world, and man, great show, great song.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

Yeah. It's cool that they got Ziggy too.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

Make it real, make it authentic.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

Also, like, who starts a kid show with a wicked reggae song like that?

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Like, yeah, but back in the day they did awesome stuff like that. We've heard the Fraggles, you know, we've heard Muppet Show. I actually forgot about this one until I was researching. And then I came across it, listened to it again, and straight away it all came back. I was like, oh my god, I feel like I just heard this yesterday. How cool is that?

SPEAKER_01 54:00

It's I mean it's a great song, but I can't picture the show. Have you can you remember the song though? It feels familiar. That's good. No, I don't what what is that one?

SPEAKER_00 54:22

That's Night Court. Oh no, I never saw I don't think I ever saw that. That's a great show. Great show from the 80s. Yeah, worth going back to.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

Yeah, no, that was I mean, it's a cool song. Yeah. Yeah. I like the little breakdown and what was the little percussion.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

The wood block thing or xylophone or what was that? I'm pretty sure it was just a wood block, I think. I don't know. Uh right, we got one each left, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:43

Yeah, now this is another one that is a song for a show. Okay. But um I also think this is one of the the most iconic themed songs that I can think of. Is it believe it or not? Nope. Ah. Yeah, but I think you'll get it pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_00 55:08

I recognize the music that I can't place it yet. I feel like I don't know it, but I my guess is that it's probably like a 2000s era crime show. Like, would it be Dexter or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 55:23

Yeah, close.

SPEAKER_00 55:24

I mean, well, 2000s crime era, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

I'll be guessing at this point, but 99 to 07 at Rand. The biggest crime show ever. Sopranos? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:39

Yeah. That's a show I'm like, it's still on my I need to get to that level.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

You should. Yeah, I'm gonna show you.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

I know, I know I yeah. And I know I'm probably the only person left who never saw the show, too.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

That's a yeah, that's a really good one.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

Probably everyone listening is like, what the hell is wrong with him? But you know, I'll get there.

SPEAKER_01 55:59

I mean, there's so many good shows and good artwork out there to consume. You're never gonna get it all, but that is one I'd recommend spending a bit of time with.

SPEAKER_00 56:07

I don't remember why I didn't watch it.

SPEAKER_01 56:09

It also had like it wasn't a show you could just sort of jump into, you know, but if it's already up to season seven, you kinda need to go back and and watch the first six.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

That was a problem back then. That even could have been the reason. Like, you know, you hear about a show a couple of seasons then you're like, well, I've kind of missed the story.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

And I don't have it on demand, so you have to go out and actually like buy the DVs or something, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 56:29

There were a few things like that. And then there were just shows I just didn't care about, like Lost, never watched Lost. Yeah, I never really got into Lost either. No. And then when it ended so badly, I was like, well, sir, you're right for watching a stupid show. Same with Game of Thrones. Anyway. We're gonna have to talk about that one later. Okay, so I told you that my last pick was the coolest pick. Okay. You can disagree. You'll just be wrong. You'll just be wrong. This is clearly the coolest piece of music ever committed to a TV show. The other thing I'll also say is that it wasn't actually the theme song uh that opened the show. It was a theme song played within the show. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

What a groove.

SPEAKER_03 57:15

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

SPEAKER_00 57:21

This is where I was about five years old and I was learning about changing time signatures. And they count it for you. They don't count the time signatures right now. You don't know this? No. This is a recurring song on Sesame Street. Oh, this level of musicianship. Wow. Sesame Street. It's um it's called Pinball Number Count. And it had an animation over it of like a pinball machine, and you're following the ball going around all these things, and and they had the number of the day. So each time I opened with, you know, they would shout the number of whatever the number of the day was. But as a kid, this is this taught me music, man. And and ever since, jazz bands all over the world have covered this because it's such an amazing piece of music. What a groove. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Again, on a kid's show. Yeah. Long before we started patronizing our kids.

SPEAKER_01 58:17

Yeah. Before thinking they couldn't understand more complex music. Too dumb to get it. Maybe it's the adults that too dumb.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

We moved through that pretty quickly. It was good. It was good. Yeah. So I guess the the obvious thing to ask uh to our listeners is what did we miss?

SPEAKER_01 58:35

Yeah. Wha what are you screaming at your uh at your phone right now?

SPEAKER_00 58:38

Oh you didn't get this one. Yeah, exactly. And uh you know, you can find us on Facebook and Instagram. Um we also have our private Facebook group which we we only let good looking people into.

SPEAKER_01 58:50

That's not true, they let me in there.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

So just but yeah, give us your feedback. Uh we will likely do a follow-up to this episode. Um I'm sure as soon as we stop the recording, we're gonna remember all the ones we forgot about. Did you have any honorable mentions you wanted to chat about? I did. Um so the believe it or not reference I said a second ago, did you know what I was getting at? Was it Ripley's? Like they had a show. Oh, yeah, no, it wasn't that. Okay. No, it was the greatest superhero ever made. It was the show called The Greatest American Hero.

unknown 59:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

I don't know that one. You know the song Believe It Or Not Um Walking or Night.

SPEAKER_01 59:27

I only know the Seinfeld version. Believe it or not, George isn't at home. Well, that's a parody. That's a joke because of Greatest American Hero. I know the joke, but I don't know the I don't know the intro.

SPEAKER_00 59:38

This is the greatest show. This guy, this guy is visited by aliens, they give him the super suit, cool, um, but he loses the manual. Uh so he doesn't know how to use it. So the entire show is him crashing into billboards.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

It's kind of like CEOs with AI right now.

SPEAKER_00 59:54

Exactly. It's exactly that. But I just loved that show and it had this iconic song, and yeah, especially if you're you know, a little closer to my age, you'd absolutely know that. Yeah, that is a good one. Uh Married with Children was another open put down. That is a good one. Again, I left that off because it's a well that actually could have been written for the show. I don't know. I don't know if it was.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:17

It's definitely an iconic one.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

Yeah. Uh Happy Days? Yeah. I always had that one too. Again, that's a you know, an actual song. And Sesame Street. Yeah. Sunny Days.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:29

You know which one um I wanted to add, and I was hoping you might was Better Call Saul.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:34

Right, yeah, I mean that was a great show. I don't remember the song right off the top of my head, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:38

It's um it's got a really weird sort of uh it's a really cool intro guitar riff um from a guitarist named Little Barry, who um uses a whole bunch of like dissonance and sort of weird rhythmic patterns and stuff. Definitely check it out. Maybe we'll maybe we'll check it in the Facebook group for the listeners. That sounds good.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

I also uh we're talking about the art, not the artist, but the theme song to the Cosby show was pretty awesome. And what I also liked about that was that they totally changed it for every season, which I'd kind of forgotten about until I went to listen to it. I eventually decided to leave it off because I preferred some other picks more, but it is a cool piece of music, and they really did change it from ep season to season, and it was just so interesting. It's just this extra unnecessary thing that made the show just that much more interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

Yeah, there's a lot of shows that actually did that. That you know they have a sort of a a common theme, but then they sort of ref on it a little bit for the different episodes, which I always thought was cool. Absolutely. I mean just like this the Simpsons couch gag, right? Right. Yeah, yeah. Just more points of interest.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

Not everything was in a rush. Not everything was about the margin. Just make good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So what's our conclusion? What'd you learn?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Um I was gonna say I feel like they don't make theme songs like they used to, um, but I don't know if that's really true because I feel like there are a lot of shows that are coming out right now that do have really great music and and good artwork in it still. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:02

Um probably they probably don't make them like they used to, but they're still making great theme shows. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

Yeah, they're made in a different way now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

It's a piece of the art of the art world that is still intact. They're still being creative and interesting and trying stuff is awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:18

Yeah, we'll see how that uh evolves over the next few years. Because now, you know, your corporate studios are gonna say, well, why would I pay real musicians when I can just go to Suno and uh create something in two seconds? So be interesting to see how it plays out.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:30

I am interested in the fact that we only had one overlap. That being that being Seinfeld. Yeah. Uh good one to overlap on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

To be fair, I was trying to take picks that I thought you wouldn't take as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:42

I don't know if you were doing the same, but sort of, but then I just thought, fuck it. Yeah. Because I thought we couldn't do this episode and not have Seinfeld and not have The Simpsons. That's right, too. So I you know if we ended up with a double up, then whatever. Yep. Yeah. Uh right, so um, yeah, if you got any thoughts, let us know. Remember buymeacoffee.com, what do we know show is our page where you can help us pay for these microphones. And uh now we're gonna play what are we gonna play?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

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SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

Did you actually turn your guitar off?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

Yeah, I thought so. But you just turned up the race of the way I just didn't. Yeah, it wasn't that was because I was nervous. I didn't know what you were doing.