SPEAKER_01: 0:04

Welcome to Mixpace for Nature from Nature Scotland, the podcast celebrating Scotland's nature, landscapes, and species. I'm Kirsten Guthrie, and in this episode, Tim Hancock and I are joined by Ophelie Adamie, the creative mind behind Mixing Colours on Instagram, where she shares honest, often humorous moments of visiting a family in Scotland across cultures, inspired by her friend Patrick and her partner Josh's Nigerian roots and their two children's unique identities. But this isn't just about lovely family photos. For too long, Scotland's countryside hasn't felt welcoming to everyone. Josh is co-founder of Black Scottish Adventures, an organisation breaking down racial barriers in the outdoors. Together, Ophalie and Josh are showing that nature is for everyone, regardless of background or skin colour. Offaly is passionate about getting kids outside in all weathers, because connecting with nature starts young. This is a conversation about representation, resilience, and why seeing yourself reflected in the outdoors matters. So hi Offalie and welcome to the podcast. So thank you. Well, first of all, thank you for all the inspirational posts you've been creating for our Make Space for Nature campaign. And I just want to go back, let's rewind a wee bit. And can you can you tell us about you, you know, where you're from in France and what brought you to Scotland and obviously how you met your husband Josh as well?

SPEAKER_02: 1:19

Sure. So I don't have to specify that I am French. You can hear it. I was born in Paris, very cliche. Uh, but when I was around nine or ten, my parents moved the whole family to the south of France. It's like a small village near Nice. So we went from a two-bedroom flat in the middle of Paris city centre to a small village of about 7,000 people. So it was quite brutal. With a house and a garden. I mean, so whoa, are we on a holiday? So that was a shock for a while. And um, funny enough, for a while I thought it was actually a holiday. It's only when uh we started going to primary school that I thought, wait, are we not going back to our school? What's going on? So yeah, it took me some time to realize there is no plan on going back to Paris. This is where we are for now.

SPEAKER_01: 2:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 2:10

And then uh what brought me to Edinburgh? Uh actually it's my sister. So I have two sisters. We are triplets. So one of my sisters uh moved to Edinburgh to do a master's. She studied in Hyattwatch University. He loved it. Always talk uh great things about Scotland and Edinburgh. And once I finished my own degree, I quickly realized that in my line of studies, which was hotel management, English was gonna be something that I need. Uh you can't, you know, have a high role in hotel management if you don't have any English. So I moved to Edinburgh in August 2012, and we took a flat near Haymarket together. And then Josh comes into play seven months later, completely randomly. I met Josh. He lived basically opposite my flat with his brother. So I lived with my sister, he lived with his brother, and then what started as a bit of banter across the street basically turned into meeting my soulmate. We started chatting via Facebook, via messages, and then we met again. And I was just, oh my, you're great. I like you, you like me. Let's get together. And that was it. Now we've been married for 12 years. We just celebrated a 12-year anniversary on the 13th of November. Oh, lovely.

SPEAKER_01: 3:31

Oh, that's such a lovely story. What nice of you to meet as well.

SPEAKER_02: 3:35

People don't believe us when we tell them we met face to face. There was nothing there at the time.

SPEAKER_01: 3:39

So yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, you growing up in France, how how is that um how's it shaped your relationship with nature? Because obviously you you're outdoors a lot, um, you're fat you're out, you know, you're outside with your family quite a lot. And obviously, you mentioned being a triplet. Um, and that must have meant, you know, built-in adventure camp companions all the time outside with your with your sisters. That must have been fantastic.

SPEAKER_02: 4:01

Yeah, built in their friends. I always say that's why I struggle to make friends because I have sisters. So in my mind, I feel like I have people to talk to. So yeah, no, I I spent the first 10 years of my life in Paris. So I remember the chaos of the city, walking to school with the cars, the horns. Uh, but my dad was amazing and he took us to parks a lot, he took us on holidays to the countryside. Uh, he has family in Clermont-Ferrand in like the mountains, you know, when when they make the water, aviant, and all those things. So complete countryside. I remember uh going to the farm, and I love putting my finger into the baby cow's uh mouth because they would suck on it. They would think it's like uh, you know, they were they're just little babies, and that was one of my favorite favorite memories back then. Oh, and then uh we moved to uh a small village near Nice, and suddenly very quiet, very peace, peaceful, and it act it was actually a bit too peaceful in my teenage years. I thought, oh, is this my life? I was so far from the city, there were no buses, just a school bus. That was the only bus that was running through our streets. Uh so we spent our childhood outside with both my sisters and neighbors, climbing trees, building little dens in the woods, uh, playing volleyball, uh beach volley. Basically, we were constantly outside, and the only thing that would make us come home is hunger. And also because it was getting dark, so we knew that we're gonna get in trouble. So honestly, now I'm I don't like crowd anymore. I mean I don't like noise. If you ask me, do you want to go to Rome or do you want to go to the Dolomites? I would 100% pick the Dolomites. I don't like City Break. The only city I like going to is Nice now, where I'm from, because I obviously I get to see my family. But other than that, no, I don't know. Don't take me to Barcelona, please. Nothing against Barcelona, but I like the countryside.

SPEAKER_00: 6:02

Yeah. Oh brilliant. That's great. Hi, Ophelie. Um that that's such a great story. Uh we've obviously started to work with you now through your your fantastic Instagram channel, mixing colors. Can you tell us a bit more about the inspiration behind the name and um what you hoped that that would start to represent?

SPEAKER_02: 6:21

Sure. So people often ask you, I created it when we had kids, my husband and I, but actually I created Instagram in 2018. So that was two years before having my first child. And regarding the name, I wanted a name that described uh my life. So mixing or mixing cultures, backgrounds, and languages, and the colours. It's because even as a white woman, I wanted to celebrate all colours and show that love doesn't need to follow rules or expectations. And then for me, the name is really an invitation to be open. You never know where you will meet your soulmates. My story is a perfect example. I was not expecting to meet a Nigerian guy in Scotland. I always laugh when people say my type is this, you know, tall, blonde, blue eyes, because my type was not Josh. Sorry. I thought he was handsome, but it was not my type. Uh, if I had stuck to my type back then, then I would have missed out on the greatest love of my life. That would have been a shame. So what we see around us shapes what we think is normal. And unfortunately, although I had a great childhood, there was not much diversity around me. So for me, my mom was white, my dad was white, my sisters were white. So that's why now after I met Josh, it really opened my eyes, and I now try my best to break those barriers for others, you know, be a voice, just do my little thing, do what I can do anyway, not much, but I support my husband anyway.

SPEAKER_00: 7:56

Well, it's it's it's such a lovely warm channel, and and your your platform shows families who you might not always see themselves, you know, being in outdoor spaces. Um can you tell us why that representation matters to you?

SPEAKER_02: 8:10

I think the the outdoors is truly for everyone, and people need to actually see to believe it. When I moved to Scotland, my first focus, and like many immigrants, was simply settling in, finding work, for me learning a new language because my English was really bad. It was nothing, really. It was it was tough. First year was brutal. Um, so Josh and I, when we met, because we met very early on, uh, when I moved here, uh, we didn't really take time to explore and we didn't have time to explore. Uh, you still focused on stability at the beginning, trying to save money to buy our first house. Uh, it's only later later that we started uh hiking. Uh we started with Archered, and then we thought, oh, let's move. We bought a car, we went to Ben Normont, and over time the outdoors became a huge part of our life. And in the last few years, I've really noticed how uh Edinburgh has become much more diverse. And diversity in the city doesn't always translate to diversity outdoors. So the type of people you see in Edinburgh, for example, you will not see them on Archer State, even though it's just there. Um, and that matters because when people don't see themselves represented in certain spaces, they can start to believe those spaces aren't for them. And sometimes even other people look to price, see black families hiking, swimming, or here walking. So that's exactly why representation is so important. We need the elders to reflect the real Scotland and Scotland now, I think, and I'm sure it's multicultural, modern, and welcoming. I think Scottish people are known for being very well welcoming and very friendly. And uh black people shouldn't feel unusual anymore, it should just feel normal. And and I think also sometimes within our own communities, we kind of carry the weight of stereotypes that we've placed on us. Like the idea that black people don't hike, they don't swim, they don't do outdoor activities. Sometimes you feel like you have to fix the that thing, and when you try to come out of it, you're being told, oh, that's uh you're white, you know, that's a white people thing. And for me, if I try to go dance, you know, that's a black people. Who do you think you are? Or you know, this kind of thing. And yeah, for me, I have the same for you know, little silly cliche about the French being rude or drinking wine all day. That's not true. Those are just stereotypes. I don't think I'm rude, that doesn't reflect the reality. I mean, if I have been unlucky, you met one French person and it was not nice to you, and now that's the image you have of people, or maybe a black person stole your phone in London and now you hate all black people. No, that just doesn't make sense. There are black people everywhere. So we all need to work together to break those walls. And the more we show up in those spaces, my kids, my husband, the more other people we hope anyway, that more people will feel like they they can do it too. But I guess just recently, because um before for BSA, Black Scottish Adventurer, my husband is the founder. Uh, I would usually just join the group in in the afternoon. So in the morning, my husband would take the group into like a nice walk, and then in the afternoon, uh we do like a what we call vibes. So we meet somewhere, we have food, we kind of network, and we dance and other things. So usually I would always come in the afternoon and bring the food with me and my daughters. But now that they are older, we started taking them in September to the hack in the morning, and they've loved, they are loving it. Then he even did her first monro at five years old. You did Ben Lamont.

SPEAKER_00: 11:48

Oh, fantastic.

SPEAKER_02: 11:49

And she put her feet into Loch Lamont afterwards. Oh, brave girl. And oh, it was amazing. I just loved it. So yeah, Scotland is stunning, and I feel like such people don't realise how lucky they are. It's amazing. I love it. I I'm Scottish at heart, I can say that for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 12:07

You've spoken about Josh and the the black Scottish adventurers. You know, he's he's he's so good at um talking about diversity, encouraging people into the outdoors, but he's also very good at talking about responsible access and the Scottish Outdoor Access Code. So it is about getting people into the outdoors, but with that obviously comes responsibility. So has he influenced or changed you know how you're and your girls see or enjoy the outdoors? Oh yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02: 12:35

I mean, we've always been on the same page. We always the two of us, we always love uh the outdoors. It's not like he never had to fuck me, drag me out. Yeah. So that was a good thing. I think that's why we connected so well as well at the start. But seeing him actually building Black Special Adventure has just been incredible. He really took it to another level and created that community so that people never had to experience what he did. And also it teaches it in a good way, you know, responsible access. It teaches them about right to roam, but you also have to be responsible and leave no trace. And uh yeah, I think it's very important for people that just moved to the country so they feel welcome and they can actually not just work, work, work, but it's also you know, discover the others. I'm just really proud and I'm so happy that the girls have him as uh example, you know, such a strong role model to look at this. That's that's been amazing.

SPEAKER_01: 13:31

Yeah, absolutely. That's brilliant. I know we we are very lucky in Scotland to have the Scottish Outdoor Access Code and and everything that comes with it. So, you know, and and you know, you've talked about the generally people in Scotland are very welcoming and and um and friendly, but have you have you had or you and your family experienced any negative interactions, you know, when when you're outdoors? And and how did you kind of deal with that if you if you have?

SPEAKER_02: 13:54

Uh still with the girls, nothing. I think people are always very lovely with them. Uh but at the start of a hiking journey uh with Josh, we did get comments. Uh for example, when you go up the hill and you meet people going down, we would always get comments. Oh, have you got crampons? Have you got head torch? They would just assume we don't have those things, like they can see in a bag, you know? So very, you know, like yes, we do, but like I don't know if you were walking up the hill, would you think someone coming down would ask you if you have a head torch? Have you ever been asked this? No, never. No, and but yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01: 14:33

It's funny though, but sometimes Scottish people tend to be looking for people, yeah. And it's like, oh, are you okay? You need to help with something. But yeah, whether it was done in that way, I don't know. But yeah, I guess we'll never know.

SPEAKER_02: 14:47

No, but it can be a bit frustrating because we look like we know what we are doing. We'd go a hiking shoes, we'd go a hiking clother. It's not like we're wearing uh ASIC or yeah, absolutely. We still get asked, do you know your head top? But now it doesn't happen anymore because I think Josh is Josh is known, so it's recognized a lot, so they don't ask anymore when they see us uh with this uh some like that one meter of snow on top of a mountain. They don't ask questions, they see Josh and they're like, okay, that's fine. Yeah, they'll be asking you guys for advice. Yeah, but with black specific adventures, though we we had some issues where uh we were accused of litering, so we started doing all those videos where we tidy the whole place, and then we take video, we met we do a video before leaving the place just as proof because we don't want people to come and then make a mess and say, Oh, the black adventures were there. And we even had a time where a couple of years ago we found a bag of litter by a car that was not ours, and someone had left it by a car. I don't know, I don't know if it was just random that it was our car, but it was our car, and we had to take it with us because the beans were full. So we couldn't just we always take our um our own bean bags with us. We don't put it into the community communal bin. Yeah, it was a beast, it was very, very frustrating. So that's not even our rubbish. Not fair.

SPEAKER_01: 16:15

No, not at all, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02: 16:19

That's what I was gonna ask. A lot more good, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 16:22

And and you know, on the flip side, as you say, is there been like a really kind of positive outdoor experience that's reinforced, I suppose, why this works on representation and access matters so much?

SPEAKER_02: 16:32

Yeah, I think what I love the most at BSC at Black Special Adventurers is when we sit together afterward and you hear uh people's stories on how it helped them with loneliness and depression. It's so lovely to hear, and that that's the biggest reward. And it also means that our own daughters are growing up in a community, they they are not they see people that look like them, that have the same hair type as them, and they're going outside and doing all those things. So for them, that's they're normal, and that that's amazing. That's what I want for them. But I don't I don't want them to feel like oh, that's not my space. They're Scottish, they were born in Edinburgh, born and bred. They don't drink Aaron Brew yet, but I'm working on it. No, you don't like it? It's okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 17:20

It's okay, it's okay.

SPEAKER_02: 17:22

I think busting that doesn't like Aaron Brew in the West.

SPEAKER_01: 17:24

Yeah, I don't mind it, but it's not, I don't tend to drink it by itself.

SPEAKER_02: 17:28

I don't want to say, but uh, you're wearing stripes, so it feels like you're more French than Spottish. I do wear a lot of stripes to be fair, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 17:39

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's uh yeah, having a a foreign-born child in Scotland, my my little boy, same same as you, but born and bred in Scotland. I take him back to South Africa and he complains it's too hot here.

SPEAKER_02: 17:53

I can hear your accent now. I can hear the South African accent now.

SPEAKER_00: 17:58

So Ophelia, you you've hinted at it. Um, but uh um how outside time is clearly really important to you and your family. Can you tell us a bit how how that helps you to connect and how it's different from time spent together, you know, indoors, which is obviously also has its place, but but how does that um help you as a family, do you think, to all or be being together in the outdoors and in Scotland where it's you know, there's so many beautiful places to go and things to see and do.

SPEAKER_02: 18:25

Yeah, um well outside everyone just relaxes. Indoors, the girls are like tornadoes, they they just try to knock off the walls. Outdoors, they are free. I don't have to worry about tidying. They explore, they run, they climb, they they use the imagination. And Josh and I actually get to have conversations outside when when we are at home. We we can't, they are just constantly at our legs. It's not me, it's it's Josh. And uh and also being outdoor, it tires them out and they sleep very well. And and weirdly enough, I don't know if we're just lucky, but our kids are never sick. They they didn't, even though they go to school, they went to nursery, they didn't get all those um you know hand and mouth kind of stuff. Uh they had very light chicken pox at the start, and that was it. They have sometimes a small call, you know, they have a stomach bug, but uh every time I talk to my mom's friends, they say, Oh, my son has this, my child has this. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know, I should touch wood because you'll see that tonight. Yeah, yeah. They almost come home with red chicks with that. I'm not feeling well. I don't know if it's spending time outdoors that just make them more resilient, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 19:40

Yeah, maybe it could well be all the all that fresh air and and and time outside. Are there any um you know, outdoor rituals or places that have become really special for your kids? Do they have a a favorite place to go and walk, or is it or is you just try and do a different place every time? Or or have you got sort of a few standards Places that you go, it's like this is our favorite. This is what when we're not sure where else to go, we go here and the kids love us.

SPEAKER_02: 20:05

They really like uh where we live. We've got a park called the Seven Acres, and it has a long walk, and it's called the Puddle Walk. And so it's massive holes, and when it rains, it makes some really it's like very big. I've never seen puddles like that. And so after it rains, we put like a whole suit, waterproof suit with boots, and we take them there, and they just for hours. They are completely sold with so much fun, they love it. And then on the same walk, uh, we've got a lot of horses, and sometimes the horses come to us and we get to pet them, and you know, they love it as well. And the little ritual in when it's cold, we always take hot uh flask with hot chocolate. Uh that that's really nice. That's the reward when your hands are cold, just nice hot chocolate, a snack, and go back home.

SPEAKER_00: 20:54

Yeah, no, I like that. Yeah, we we do that as it's good, it's good uh bribery to make the the kids keep going to get to the top of the hill or something as well. I found that with some hot chocolate.

SPEAKER_02: 21:04

Yeah, but it's quite funny because uh now when we do big hikes and when we stop to rest, they're always like, Oh, that means we can eat, mama. Oh, so we need to plan a snack for each time we stop.

SPEAKER_00: 21:15

Yeah, and that's but I think I talk about a you know a place nearby that you can go often like that. It also just shows you know what we we try to emphasize that you know you can go and do the big Monroe and go out and explore you know all different parts of the country, but at the same time, you know, there there are nice places, even from the cities, nice green spots that you can go just for a bit of outdoor time.

SPEAKER_02: 21:37

Yeah, well definitely. I think we're called lucky in our area because we've got the pentland heels, we've got rustling, we've got a lot of um Darkest Country Park, all this kind of nice even portobelo, the promenades. I love to take them. It's not really outdoorsy, but take the bikes or the scooters, take them there and you just go.

SPEAKER_01: 21:55

Yeah, I mean uh the thing is with with kids is you know, it is great getting them outside, but it's sometimes it's not always that easy, you know. As much as um some Instagram posts try to make you believe it, you know, um, but you know, using things like snacks and treats and these kind of things often often helps. But you know, you do include humour in your posts, which is great because you know, I've I have laughed at quite a lot of them in in a in a good way. Um and so what's what's the what's the funniest or the maybe the most chaotic thing that's happened with the kids outdoors?

SPEAKER_02: 22:25

So recently there's not been much. I think I really try to be prepared. Yeah. So always have a change of clothes. That's the number one. I have a change of clothes, socks, everything, even fashions in the car just in case. But uh, the first time I actually took Tammy to a BSA walk, her sister was still a baby, so I've just taken her. She was three or something, and it was autumn. And uh she was walking and she fell face first into the mud. Face first. Oh no, and she was covered. Uh, I wanted to laugh so bad, and she didn't even cry, she just went like, what's going on? And and now that's when BST community really kicked in. Um, they they they took her up, and someone had some warm water in a flask, and it was probably to keep them warm and maybe have something, some warm water later on, and instead they used it to wash her face and her hands. Oh, and I thought that was amazing. I'm like, thank you so much. But that that was the the the BST community is is really good for that. Even just uh the last walk. Someone I was last because my kids always I want to see, I want this, I want that. So we always at the end, I want my jacket, I don't want my jacket, I want my thoughts, I don't want my gloves. Just make up your mind. So we're always at the end, and there is um Jamie, uh a Scottish man actually. He he comes quite often and he stopped and he waited for us because there were some massive cows by the path. So he didn't want us to walk by them by ourselves. So he waited and then we walked next to the big cows. So that really shows he could have just kept going, you know, and joined the big group, but no, he did wait. So that was that's quite nice. That shows that it's really a community, even though it is not black, but it's part of the community, it's for everybody, it's not just for black folk.

SPEAKER_01: 24:11

Just when you're talking about rain suits and puddle suits, I remember putting mine in in some of these suits, and uh didn't realise how slippy slides are wet slides when you put a child in a puddle suit. Yeah, flying, and again, it was one of those moments when you don't want to laugh, but you have to, and they were absolutely fine.

SPEAKER_02: 24:28

I have a video of Timmy doing it just next door, as she same exactly as just oh go down, you you got your wetsuits, so it's okay, you won't wait. Ah, she flew off the slide and she really felt hard on the bumps of her and just fried and it just ruined. We have to go back home.

SPEAKER_01: 24:44

Oh no, sorry. So maybe a health and safety advice around puddle suits. I'll tell you, honestly, we've all done it.

SPEAKER_02: 24:52

Imagine though they should do a soft play where they wet it.

SPEAKER_01: 24:55

Yeah, that would be fun.

SPEAKER_02: 24:56

That would be so much fun.

SPEAKER_01: 24:59

Little practice, get in practice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 25:02

Philippe, you've you've mentioned you're uh a fresh pair of socks and things and and uh some hot chocolate and things like that is as uh a good advice for for families to have with them. But do you have any other tips for for people who who maybe they're part of a family who don't go outdoors very often but are looking to get outdoors with their kids? What what would you advise they to do? Where to start? What should they bring with them?

SPEAKER_02: 25:23

Well, I would say first start small. You don't need to go on big mountain, just go to the local wall, go to the park, don't don't go crazy. Get the basics as well. So, as you said, uh waterproof, so a wet suit, uh waterproof, very important, warm layers, so some fleece, good gloves, proper footwear, and then for yourself as well. So sometimes a lot of people make that mistake, they will dress the kids really warm, very well, and they forget about themselves, and then they are the ones suffering. So you have to be warm as well, otherwise, you are going to suffer. And then very important snacks, chocolate, you know, really, very important. And then, as I said, just do local walks and then see how that goes. And once they build stamina, uh, you can take them to do conic heel, you know, petland pen heels, and then you can find all those walks that I'm sure on the internet if you write easy walks to Scotland or around your area, you you will find a lot. And then uh start young, obviously, because I don't know how I would feel trying to get a seven-year-old or eight-year-old to go outside. I feel like it's too late already. They don't want to go. So start young as long as they are steady on their feet, maybe three, four, four years old. I think you should start. Try to they will complain, but then it will pass and they will actually enjoy it. And they'll be the one asking you on weekends, can we go? My my kids they they mix French and English, and they always say, Mama, can we go for a ballad? And ballad is a walk in French. So they always say, Can we go for a ballad, mama? Oh look outside, okay. Even though sometimes I'm the one that gets lazy and they're pushing me, like, let's go, I don't want to be inside. But B BS they uh does very easy walks, so even if you want to join with BSD, just see how that goes. And then we've got jollof rice after for lunch. That's that's a nice incentive.

SPEAKER_00: 27:19

That's what I was gonna say, uh snacks, but again, not just for the kids, for you too. We've all made that mistake before. Like nice snacks for the kids, and then you're starving.

SPEAKER_02: 27:27

Yeah, well, they want to hold your hands, and you don't you forgot to take your gloves and your your hands are absolutely freezing. I want to put my hands in my pockets, and they're crying for your hands. I hope I'm cool.

SPEAKER_00: 27:40

Um and growing up, obviously your your kids are getting bigger, and and like you're saying, nice to start them them um young, but when they're older, like teenagers or or young adults, what what memories or or feelings of being outdoor are you are you hoping they they take with them and and are are left with as they go into their adult life?

SPEAKER_02: 27:59

I think really that they belong there. That's the main thing. They belong there and they're uh, you know, they should also make sure they take other people with them. You can be selfish. So I really hope that they carry my husband and my talk, you know, and take it even higher and do great for their community.

SPEAKER_00: 28:20

So um, because we're we're now going into like the the proper depths of of winter approaching and Christmas time, um, where it's dark and cold and it gets harder and harder to get outdoors. Do you have any idea what you know what inspires you to keep going and still go outside, even though you know it's not the middle of uh uh summer, although you know people joke about summer being very short, so you know you can have bad weather at any point um and good weather at any point. But what what helps you to to feel like you still want to get outdoors even if it's you know it's raining or at this time of year when it's when it's really cold?

SPEAKER_02: 28:52

I think it's really all to do with your clothing. You just have to be more prepared. And uh maybe don't spend as as uh long outside, so do shorter walks. Don't spend don't take your kids for hours outside. I mean it might be a bit too cold. Uh yeah, just short little walks, and hot chocolate, good clothing, warm clothing, good hat over your ears. Um I think the in the winter months really the the good good clothing is uh the number one. If you've got good clothing, you can do you can go out at any time of the year. I think accordingly, check the weather forecast. If it's planning 90% chance of rain, take waterproof clothing. Obviously, you have to stay safe if it's really really bad. Stay at home and do a movie night at night or on popcorn. Don't want to like scare them off and never do it again.

SPEAKER_00: 29:52

That's a good point. It's having those those those nice memories that make them want to keep going. But it sounds like you've already managed that if they're asking you to go all the time. So that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02: 30:08

And Timmy screamed on top of her long, said, I'll never do that one again. And all the people around were laughing, and I thought, Oh my god, you'll do it again, Timmy. Don't worry. But she was so honest about it, it was really funny.

SPEAKER_00: 30:24

Oh, brilliant. Well, thank you so much, Ophelie. And and thank you for sharing your story and and um and you know your your lovely family. We we we follow you on Instagram and and see your adventures, which has been fantastic. And thanks for just sharing the you know everything you've created and all the great work you're doing with Josh and and Black Scottish Adventures, which is really feels like it's it's making a big difference in Scotland. The show that, you know, like you say, outdoors is for everyone, and we want everyone to get out there and enjoy it, obviously, responsibly. But but it's we've got all this amazing nature on our doorstep, and and thank you for inspiring us to be brave and not be lazy and and get outdoors and enjoy it more.

SPEAKER_01: 31:04

It's my pleasure, thank you so much. Thanks for listening. For more ways to connect with and help protect Scotland's natural world. Go to nature.scotters.