Keith Smith of BeatTheCasino.com - Baccarat and Blackjack Strategy Discussion

BeatTheCasino.com Conversation on Self Adjusting Progression Betting w/Kevin Achatz

May 05, 2020 Keith Smith Season 1 Episode 1
Keith Smith of BeatTheCasino.com - Baccarat and Blackjack Strategy Discussion
BeatTheCasino.com Conversation on Self Adjusting Progression Betting w/Kevin Achatz
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Keith Smith:   0:00
Okay, Keith here from beat the casino.  I'm here with, of course. Kevin Achatz in Las Vegas, one of our premier players out there.  Hi, Kevin. How are you doing out there?  

Kevin Achatz:   0:16
I'm doing great Keith!  

Kevin Achatz:   0:17
That's good.  

Keith Smith:   0:18
This is are we wanted to do ours during this month our legacy system approach review of things.  Of how beat the casino evolved over the years.   What we talked about for years and years and what worked What was good about some of the ways we evolved into what we are today.   The Premier social gambling club in the world. And you know what we did the other day? I know we talked about, I think we talked about System 40 and I forget what else we talked about originally  

Kevin Achatz:   0:53
Net betting  

Keith Smith:   0:53
Net Betting. We talked about some net betting, and we still have other things to cover that we're going to cover the course of the week.   We'll probably go into OTB4L and time before last.  And I think we talked about the Matrix and we'll get into some of the two high systems that we used to explore. And all the different betting strategies that have come about over the years.  And, uh, I think it's a really interesting topic. But one of the things that we wanted to talk about today was what we originally called SAP, which stood for self, uh, self-adjusting progression.  

Keith Smith:   1:30
Which SAP originally had a betting strategy attached to it. But its primary function was to compare one in a rows to two in a rows two in rows to three and threes to four are not not not necessarily to in that order, but across the whole spectrum. Ones, twos,  and threes, and four and then assigning a numeric value to get their distributions so to speak in the shoe.  Then make make bets relevant to what the distribution. was.  

Keith Smith:   2:03
And I know, Kevin, you looked at it originally when it came about. And, uh, you know, I thought it was kind of unique that we said, Well, at a certain point in the shoe, we should have so many one in a row. So many two in a row, so many three and rows in So many four in a row,  and we assigned a numeric value that would normalize or weighted them relevant to what they should be.  

Keith Smith:   2:33
And I think originally we weighted ones one-twos,  two, and I think we made a mistake weighted  first we waited threes, threes, what they should have been waiting four.  

Kevin Achatz:   2:42
Yeah, right.  

Keith Smith:   2:43
And then the fours,  We just clumped them all together and they were originally waited four, But then they should have been weighted eight, which we later discovered. So I think that's where you picked up, you know, And after we corrected that we would keep a graphical and I'll put the links below to some of the information about it. We kept a ah chart, and you could see if the numbers were all equal. Like if they're all 2,2 or 2, 2 4,8 then ah, you know, it was a little unbalanced. But if it was 8,8 8, 8 than everything was normalized. In other words, there were 8 one a rows,  4 two in a rows because twos counted 2.  Two 3 a rows because they were counted four and one,  four in a row at a certain point in the shoe. And we would make adjustments and what we bet according to that count.  what Was your thoughts on that, Kevin ? I don't know. If you've ever experimented with, I'm sure you've looked at it. What after kind of kind of set it up and how it involved there?

Kevin Achatz:   4:17
Well, I didn't just experiment with I played it. I tested it. I looked at it. I, you know, I used I used it made for a while there back, you know, we're going back again. Ah, lot of this goes back in time. Now we're talking about whether it's System 40 or Net Betting or, you know, SAP up. You know, we're talking about 6 or 7 years ago. Yeah, I'll be making more. Maybe more, maybeIt was more like 15 for sap.

Keith Smith:   0:00
It was maybe more like 15 for SAP  

Kevin Achatz:   4:17
I don't even know I got on the forum are likely about 10 years ago. So I don't know how far back it may. Anything may have gone, but let me

Keith Smith:   4:25
give you some perspective, Andre, Who's our player in Thailand? Experiment a lot with SAP. And you know, he's been with this 25 years, so it just gives you some perspective about how long ago it was

Kevin Achatz:   4:40
I don't know. What happened has happened to my my camera. Yeah, but

Keith Smith:   4:50
looks like it froze up. Let's let's just take a pause here and then come on back on and we'll let you reboot your camera there. Okay? It looks like you got your camera Difficulties squared away there. Come and started.

Kevin Achatz:   5:25
I knew anything I just said here.

Keith Smith:   5:27
Yeah, it must have had a connection problem. But I was saying about, you know, wolf fat, you know, was it was messing with 15 years ago. But anyway, you had said you played it. Pick up from where you were. There you were talking about how you played it extensively.

Kevin Achatz:   5:43
Well, extensively. Maybe the wrong word to use. Keep. But let me let me just explain. And that is Is that remember? I got in the form of the time when I believe that everything had to go back to 50 50 three banks in a row. Three players in a row. Whatever. You had to go back to the other side. I just had to Okay,

Keith Smith:   6:03
you know, you weren't necessarily wrong, but you were. It was incorrect To think it had to happen within the shoe. Is the problem correct?

Kevin Achatz:   6:12
And and also it's important, Understand? In this time frame, that I'm talking about. The cards were being hand shuffled. Yeah, OK. They were not being, you know, pre box shuffled eight decks. Whatever. So you had a lot of back and forth movement in that within the shoe or or you had a whole long run, Like something. 2022 23. Whatever. Mass in a row. Okay, get it. Seemed like he had one or the other. Yeah, okay. It did. So So sap came at a time when it made a lot of sense. Yeah. It made a lot of sense today. That way. Yeah. Okay. Um, I don't know. Keep if you're gonna put a card up or whatever to show how it's played or how people play it.

Keith Smith:   6:59
Yeah, I will. Afterwards, all linked to one of the one of the public. Absolutely. We'll let people know. Yeah. Yeah. We have some video. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We wanted to show everybody that, um,

Kevin Achatz:   7:12
it's a little guy. Silver. It was really helpful for for me by understanding that was to identify when the fat count, which would express the normalcy of a shoe rapidly okay, differed from what was actually happening within a given show. Yeah, and I would use it. Really? Kind of like the, uh, the anti, Uh, What's supposed to happen, huh? For the anomalies in the shoe? Because that's really what one should be playing. Exactly. Yes, once once could be playing. What is the most weird, unusual, abnormal thing that's happened in the shoe? Compared to the normal frequency of events? Ones twos, threes, fours, etcetera?

Keith Smith:   8:07
Yeah, exactly. Let me Ah, let me just, uh let me see if I can pause this a second, Kevin and see if I can see if I could go ahead and no, keep talking. I can I can set this up. I'm going to go ahead and add the sap manual to a screen here if I can get that on DSI. Yeah. There we go. There we go. There we have that. That was the sap manual, Miss, if I can get just a little bit bigger. The sap manual. There we go. Here we go. Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Achatz:   8:46
To this day, there is nothing that is changed with respect to why sap should or shouldn't, you know, be a useful tool. It's really just one of a number of methodologies that we should all be paying attention to. And that is it's to a way to express or to view firsthand or toe calculate what is happening compared to the long term, normal distribution of events versus what is happening in this shoe, which is what one should be playing.

Keith Smith:   9:19
Yeah, absolutely. And I think the thing with sap, I could make it a little bit better for folks to see. There we go. Um, you can see we actually still use this format quite a bit on some of our scorecards. If you take a look at it, we have ones, twos, threes and fours across the top. And then to what I was talking about here. After the first play, we counted that one. Okay, then if you get down to play seven, you'll see there's a too well that that was to compensate for this two in a row here and that you'll see in 1/3 column. There was a four which calculated the three in a row there, and we did that to get a balanced count of events of what should occur now when they were all equal. Then there was unequal distribution. But as you could see in this one. There was a lot more longer runs, as particularly the threes and fours per how maney hands were passed on numbers. It's certainly a shortage of one's A to that point now, we missed one. There should have been one here at row eight that should have went to two and its crew and then it road nine. It would have went to three. So the count would have been 3 to 48 And in that way it would give you an idea of what the distribution of of of the Sap count Waas is what we were actually talking about there. So yeah, good, good, good stuff with us with with sap and how it worked. It evolved into a couple of different things to whereas way found to your point when you had said that, you know, the thinking was that everything would have to normalize when we first started counting it that way. That seemed to be The assumption is we wanted to see where it was relevant. Teoh Normal. We kind of launched their

Kevin Achatz:   11:22
my back. My back. I'm sure just moving

Keith Smith:   11:25
a little to the left. A little You're right. Just the other

Kevin Achatz:   11:30
way. Don't want this on. We begin with the monitor.

Keith Smith:   11:35
We don't want to miss any part of you. What? When we first when we first set it up, Um, we set it up with you know how far away from normal is it? But then to your point, and I think it's indicative of some of the things that you have developed, particularly as it relates to five D and 87% as sap of all too. We wouldn't we just started counting them singularly. In other words, everyone we just counted. While there's so many wonder there's 41 in a row is there's 22 and a rose. There's No three in a rose, and there's 14 in a row. So consequently, WhatsApp taught us, I think, and see if you agree, is that what is ahead is probably better to bet that than something else will catch up.

Kevin Achatz:   12:29
Yeah, it's the concept of most common at least comments

Keith Smith:   12:32
Exactly. That's what sad taught us most.

Kevin Achatz:   12:34
And also the intermediary, which is recent most comment. Yeah, recently is common. Whatever,

Keith Smith:   12:40
right? No, no, I mean, I think they're really valuable, valuable things. So with within sap, you know, as it looked at the game, as it predict, Progressed way looked at it from normal and that we switched it. Teoh, to your point, least common, most common. I just just basically doing tick boxes. I guess you ones. 12345 And then betting it started as betting what's occurs will continue to occur. And it is kind of like I think someone made the analogy. I'm not sure who originally, if you were in the ninth inning and I don't know, it's the Phillies in the mess and 3 to 2 and the Phillies air winnin and somebody says, Who do you wanna bet on? Well, I mean without being funny if you're a mess fan. But most people would bet on the Phillies. They're up by one and there's only one inning left. Why would you bet the person that's behind? So that's WhatsApp taught us it was a really interesting kind of part of our development. And what Not now,

Kevin Achatz:   13:45
go ahead. I think if I was interrupted that, you know, actually, I think it's more than just interesting. I think it's like, uh it's part of, you know, like, uh, Beta casino 101 or 102 or 13 or one of fourth. It's somewhere in the beginning courses you take in the first year. Yeah, it's funny, buddy, who hasn't, like, learned this. If you do so much, everything else you see on side on our forum or your form I'm sorry for that's are absolutely so bet so much better explained. It's gonna be so much more understandable.

Keith Smith:   14:19
Yeah, I think so too.

Kevin Achatz:   14:20
Your A lot of this stuff derives from the math of the game. The ones air 50% that Tuesday 25% blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, So I would urge again people in this like, uh, you know, this New World order were living in the prissy word you know, which now had for Corona virus. Uh, I would urge people to go back and look at this because they may find some new derivative or something else that is, like, really well, we should be looking at that too, And

Keith Smith:   14:55
absolutely Well, I I think two is like the basic concept. You know, when you when you discover something or think about something and you know, to your point, you said, You know, we used to think everything should normalize. And sap was a mechanism to track how far off normal it Waas is. WhatsApp Waas. But then we found out, you know, as we got better players and and other players and more experience and played, you know, probably millions of shoes now in the casino, collectively among all of us. You know, we found out that, you know, the statistic is good, but we're using it backwards. You know, to some extent, it's not always like that, obviously. But to some extent we were using the information backwards. And we since adjusted out with some other approaches that we like to take a look at. Now. I think one of the reasons they called itself a adjusting progression is that sap, I would say, Well, okay, initially, if if there was no two in arose, you would bet Mawr than a two in a row was going to occur, which, of course, was backwards to because you're betting again. If you were betting three units on on some event that had a zero at some point, then that probably wasn't a good idea, but that's the way originally, it was thought. And, you know, I could see how someone would think that originally on Ben that that concept developed into MDB, which was, you know, betting against other things.

Kevin Achatz:   16:33
The er absolutely right. It's like a Segway into MDB, which very few people on the Forum understand. Yeah, it was called $1,000,000 back, right? Maybe not misnamed, but maybe, uh, not not self explanatory. Exactly. Because that had to do with, you know, leveling up to certain levels of, you know, starting $5 go to $10 bets. And that's $1 million background was mostly about, but really what it was was a, you know, kind of regurgitation of sap. And how the play

Keith Smith:   17:05
exactly, exactly the the only and weaken will do. Ah thing. There was a ah 1,000,000 variations of $1,000,000 back around, but we could go through and revisit That too, is you know, you simply wait for X amount of two and a rose to occur consecutively and then simply bet that after three of, um, before 66 chances for to go three in a row expire. It's going to hit one of those three and a rose and, you know, in a random shoe, you know, that was okay. You know, it's not a bad way to play, if you like to, you know, play away. You know, although, you know, over the years I've learned never bet that something isn't goingto happen because you know, you it's the same. I make the same. Yeah, you know, it's like I've never been against the run. You know, you could lose every hand if you just bet with it. You're just gonna lose the last one that goes off. Is it so? But yes. Oh, that involved in mdb and some other things so that we can certainly talk about, you know, any other last thoughts on sap that you may have that things that it evolved into what some of the benefits were or anything along those lines, Kevin that you could think of.

Kevin Achatz:   18:23
Well, you know, Keith, I keep going back to this, and I think everything I say and I mean, I'm gonna say it again, and I feel like I'm beating a dead horse. And people probably say you know what this is doing and you know, And that is, is it It forced you to keep track. Yeah, and monitor and watch and look at and interpret what is happening. Yeah, absolutely. And my gosh, that is really probably the essence of what? Everything you should be doing, no matter what you call it, how you're playing it. Whatever is that is that you have got to write this stuff down. You've got to keep track of it. You've got to look at it. You gotta monitor it. You've got to interpret it. And you have to make decisions good or bad, accordingly.

Keith Smith:   19:12
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Gonna take the

Kevin Achatz:   19:14
information. So that, to me, was one of the like, you know, um, it's why I was engaged in it for a while, because again, But it's probably the old you know, C p a and me, whatever. Ah, a constant pain in the ass. Uh, you know, and that's what people most people call cph. Um, back when I was doing that stuff. Yes, 40 years ago. Exactly. One of the things that appealed to me because, like, Okay, way to keep track of what happened on.

Keith Smith:   19:48
You have to keep track. That's right. That's right. Yeah,

Kevin Achatz:   19:52
It helped me through a lot of things. And even to this day, while I don't use sap is one of my, you know, go to methodologies. It's still something that I can kind of eyeball and see, you know, just from looking at the tote board. But that's because I've looked at so money to import, You know, not everybody would do that, you

Keith Smith:   20:12
know, know exactly right now. But to your point about looking at tote boards and understanding all the legacy systems, I think you know, person said the other night. Sometimes I you look at too many statistics. You can never look a too many statistics. I'm sorry. Um, if I get that, you can't assimilate all the information and that just comes with experience. I think you know, like if you're tracking nine different statistics in a game that could be overwhelming to you. But after you play for a while, you can look at the toe board or, you know, if you're tracking some that aren't on the tote board, you can kind of just assimilate things and overlay all the different approaches that are going through your head at the same time and say, Okay, there's Homer,

Kevin Achatz:   20:58
it's Mike B. That's why, Okay, that's a little bit.

Keith Smith:   21:04
But you you know, you can overlay everything that all the approaches that you're thinking about it all the strategies that your minds trying to conjure up and you want to pick the best one, whether it be sapper net betting or, you know, whether the betting strategy and the India the side that you pick strategy, so to speak, for lack anything of the term board. But what do you know? What? Citing that, Abed on strategy and your tie strategy or whatever strategy you want overland. And the only way to have that is have a wealth of information and knowledge about all these different types of strategies where you can actually make the, uh, approach that's gonna beat the game that you're in right now and the next game. It's probably something different, which is what I think our message is is that you just can't just have one tool in your toolbox, man. You need tons of them. Uh, went to do things

Kevin Achatz:   21:58
Well, here's another thing Kate that I think is we often overlook. Okay. Yeah, And when I first joined. The four began back in 2010 so I'm gonna be labor the point I did. I don't regret it to this day. I'm just kidding. But what I'm saying, What is this? That What up? Saying this is that when I joined the forum, the whole idea was to keep your score and your keep tracking methods, whatever in a vertical card format, OK? And it was it was actually kind of designed to do it it in in in sequences of 20 plays in the time Yes. And then you're in the next column of 20 and the Knicks column 20 etcetera ever subsets. Yeah, Yeah, And I tried it for a while, and I decided that horizontal was better for me because that's what I really started playing. And of course, now the tote board draw a horizontal. Died back in 2010. The tote boards were basically the same as the roulette Tort Board. Yes is vertical. It was running.

Keith Smith:   23:00
It wasn't the same. Yeah,

Kevin Achatz:   23:01
it was insane to aboard back then. Okay, It's much better anymore.

Keith Smith:   23:05
It's much better. Visually, the traditional verticals are horizontal scorecard. Much better.

Kevin Achatz:   23:12
I think I agree with but the vertical format, especially for sap, because that's work. Yeah, it worked really well. Yeah, because it through the the columns of the downward columns. Okay, uh, to easily keep track of it. Yeah. There are many of the legacy systems, methodologies, whatever that are based on that vertical scorecard sums which many people still used today. And I'm not saying they're wrong or right. It doesn't matter to me if you, you know, do it vertically or horizontally. You know, I made no absolutely away. But But what I'm saying is is that things were were designed and they were created. It is somewhat to support a format of record keeping. Yeah, absolutely. Set SAP worked perfectly, actually worked really well with the whatever a vertical format.

Keith Smith:   24:17
Yeah, it would have to think about. Yeah, it would actually be a little difficult to do sap with the horizontal scorecards. So anyone So that's

Kevin Achatz:   24:27
done it. Yeah, but but it's not as easy.

Keith Smith:   24:30
Well, no. You know, the thing is, is with sap with a balanced count and and with just a tally count, so to speak. I mean, I can simply look at the scoreboard and tell you the stop counted and I'm sure you can and many others can once you get the hang of it. And I don't think that well, this is sap. I just think, OK, well, twos are normalized and threes or normalize, and there's just assume anyone's is there should be a this point issue. Or as 87% says, Hey, recently here there's been an increase. One's going to to as you subdivided it further and then even went more granular is comparing ones. Two twos is how kind of 87% came about through your logic of going through that process with some of those original concept. So it's it's all really good stuff and whatnot, so Well, listen, I think what I'll do is I'll get the sap up on the on the threat here, down below and link to it. Or maybe put the put the old SAT manual up there and let folks take a look at. Of course, you can always learn more by coming over to our club if you're interested in SAP already of the legacy systems, and better yet, get your hands on some of the new stuff we're doing when the casinos open up. You know, I'm sure here in May will be back swinging and having a lot of good times in some of the casinos out there in Vegas and all over the world, for that matter would be to go see So

Kevin Achatz:   25:56
But I just want to add a few Could things get and that is number one. Okay, I don't want to lose because we're talking about sap. I don't lose this thought and that Is that any any history of any, you know, great empire or whatever. It's built on a foundation. Okay, now, in today's world, we use concrete, you know? Used to be they dug a hole unused, you know, would or, you know, dead bodies or whatever they used, you know, as the base. I don't know what they dio get back to that we're getting that They were kind of moving in that direction. But what I'm saying is, is it you know, everything has to have a foundation. Absolutely OK. And whether in our our case, it was system 40 which we've talked about. How Aria was, you know, net bedding or in this case, is sap whatever. Yeah, you know, you were living in a time where if anybody is really serious about, you know, winning at baccarat long term, it wouldn't hurt to take a couple of hours of your time and go back and really look at sap. Yeah, and look what it what it meant and what it means and why it's important. Okay, t understand what's, uh what? It's morphed into what's happened since then. What? Yes, what it's become because then you will better understand it. I mean, there's a person on our form right now. Name will go unnamed, but I'll tell you what it's like every other comment is. Well, what do I dio? Well, what about you? Why? How did I do this? Well, how come this, You know, I keep thinking to my psyche of saying, Just go back and spend a little time on

Keith Smith:   27:33
spend a little time. That's right.

Kevin Achatz:   27:34
You'll get up, you'll get You've got this time now where you can't wager anywhere, right? You spend a little time and you're gonna you're gonna be well ahead of the game when we come out of this. Oh, yeah, because of it, you know,

Keith Smith:   27:47
now's the time, and I have that challenge up. It's like 30 days to become the best soccer player in the world that you could be, you know? And I put that up and I said, you know, now take the time. Followed, Go through The legacy systems learned. Watch the consummate Bakar approach, which has the 87%

Kevin Achatz:   28:03
like everybody five betting on background brush

Keith Smith:   28:07
everything. You watch that video that's on beat the casino on. Then you get with the great players like yourself and look for our seminars in our practice sessions and you'll be all set to go in a month or sell. Tell you that if you if you spend the time now, now is the time to do it so well, Listen, I think you

Kevin Achatz:   28:24
don't know Kate. I said I had a couple of things. Okay?

Keith Smith:   28:27
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

Kevin Achatz:   28:28
So so here you go. And please indulge me. Okay, I will. A domina move off the topic. Okay of betting and baccarat and whatever. I'm gonna move off your health, and I'm gonna move on to your health and well being during this troubled times And what that is. Is it you know we're using, you know, kind of some video, you know, trickery or whatever You wanna call it toe be able to seem like we're in the same room together or you're in that room. And I'm in this room over here

Keith Smith:   28:57
in Vegas and you're in Vegas and I'm in Pennsylvania.

Kevin Achatz:   29:01
And you know what? You could just as easily be in Italy. Well, maybe not. I don't know, but Spain, or, you know, wherever you know, and we could be doing the same thing. But what I wanna do is I want to talk to about it about just really quickly about a couple of my favorite Netflix and Amazon Prime. Siri's okay? And I'm gonna name I'm gonna list them for you. And I know you've all probably got your favorites, but why your home and why you can't you know you're quarantined or your woodwork of what? Self quarantine or whatever. You call this this decent, you're gonna make you feel better now. Everybody's got their own kind of like things that like to do on watch or whatever, but I'm gonna give you mine. Okay? So first thing is you really should watch six feet under. Okay, now six feet under. In a time like this is maybe not the best thing to the recommending because, you know, we might all be sooner Leader with Corona virus. But you've gotta watch it. It's a comedy. It's still really interesting and stuff. So take a look at that. Take a look. A hell on wheels. I just started re watching it today, and you could binge watch it on Netflix. Okay? It's about the building of the transcontinental railroad. After a terrible crisis was called the Civil War in the United States. You We think we're in a bad time. Well, a civil war up until that point in time in world history was the most devastating war that was ever at least recorded and, you know, talked about or whatever. Okay, that's something that anybody that you know needs to get outside and just like Explorer and you get to get away from the house and get out of its sons of anarchy. Okay, Pretty much it wasn't the Corona virus count everybody. They were killing each other. OK, but that's a great great, You know, Michelle, there's one called justified of a and it's about Kentucky, and I watched a special on Fort Knox today. Fort Knox is down in the Kentucky area. Okay, You know, they don't tell you exactly where, but you can actually go see it. They can't get in it. But you go see it from the outside. Justified is about, you know, a federal marshal that gets kicked out of Miami because he's a little, you know, loose with this gun and stuff. So he spent six seasons tracking down people in the age of opioid crisis and stuff like that. Okay, Orange is the new black. Oh, my gosh. Women in prison who doesn't want to see a Siri's like that? Okay. And it's not love. Like what? You think it's not too difficult? One in prison. The one I just watched blacklist to blacklist James Spader. Oh, my gosh. 143 episodes so far would be a great gambler. Oh, my gosh. Can you miss playing? Can you imagine playing with that guy? I know you have your drink.

Keith Smith:   31:51
He'd be a great Bakara. Plus,

Kevin Achatz:   31:52
you have no chance. And then on the flip side of all this is one called Frankie and Grace Frickin Jane Fonda's 80 years old Lily Tomlin, 79. Um, you know, uh, Mark machines like 76. I mean, these people are like putting on a show like they look like they're in their thirties and forties now. So what I'm saying is, don't get your chin down on the table like No, no, no. Be happy. Be proud to be an American. Be proud to be, you know, doing what we're doing. I look forward to the next of keep the next thing we dio Absolutely. Oh, everybody, get on sap. It's not. There's nothing. There's a lot to learn from a thirst of. It's just a foundation again. The floor of the concrete on what you build.

Keith Smith:   32:42
That's right, we've got we've got I think I sent you the list one time of 100 some systems that way we can review and we'll go through all of them here this month. So you're in for Well, I have. I have one movie recommendation for gamblers. Okay, so at least I'm relating. Mind to gambling and your

Kevin Achatz:   33:02
There you go.

Keith Smith:   33:03
OK, so it was Kevin Costner's, I think, First movie. Do you know what it waas

Kevin Achatz:   33:08
his very first movie.

Keith Smith:   33:10
Yeah, it was a gambling movie.

Kevin Achatz:   33:12
If you tell me what is. I'm sure I recognized what

Keith Smith:   33:15
it was called. It was a blackjack movie was called Stacey Nights

Kevin Achatz:   33:19
Station nights. Now, you know, I've never seen

Keith Smith:   33:23
so ah, lot of people say it was actually about the great blackjack player Lawrence Revere, who was the master on which is the real life player, actually. And, uh, wrote a book called The Blackjack Blackjack for Business. It is a very good movie, I think. But they say it was partly based on his life, but it was a very realistic movie kind. Not like 21 where while we lost a 1,000,000 then, you know, way lost practicing and allow that bullshit, you know, facing. Yeah, Yeah, but, um, this was this was a realistic blackjack County movie, and I thought it was very good. It was. I think it was Kevin Costner's, if not his first. I'm pretty. I think people have told me it was his first movie, but watch it. It's it's filled in casinos and stuff. It's very realistic. And, uh, I thought it was good and it's a great blackjack movie. now, of course, for baccarat there's not. Maybe we'll have to make our own black around movie one of these days. Of course, you can always see baccarat in a couple movies. I mean, there are some on the B movie list. I forget what it's called their filmed in Macau for the guys they're playing blocker are quite a bit.

Kevin Achatz:   34:39
How about James Bond of Cory? My book? Most of those movies that were Montecarlo, right? Yeah. And then when they moved a poker and stuff, But I mean, yeah, you know, most of them played baccarat.

Keith Smith:   34:52
And, of course, Robert Redford when he's playing and and I forget the name of the movie Indecent proposal, you're sitting at the baccarat table with down calls or over. I think you got I think you got beat about 100,000 or something. I forget.

Kevin Achatz:   35:08
Yeah, but Demi Moore, So

Keith Smith:   35:10
yeah, yeah. Anyway, OK, we'll

Kevin Achatz:   35:13
probably worth 100 anywhere. Well,

Keith Smith:   35:17
listen, eso That's our movie list today for gamblers and our SAP legacy system. Next time, check back here, I'll posted on the Forum. We'll be talking about another legacy system in a day or two here and join us that beat the casino said Thanks for watching. OK,