Manifesting Your Dream Life Through Science and Spirituality with Dr. Eleanor Haspel-Portner

What if your frustration, your child’s struggle, or your career tension isn’t something to fix — but something your soul is trying to tell you? 

In this deeply thought-provoking conversation, Dr. Eleanor Haspel-Portner — developmental psychologist, Jungian scholar, astrologer, and creator of Noble Energy Maps® — shares how subconscious energy patterns shape our lives, relationships, and parenting.

With over 50 years of clinical experience, Dr. Eleanor explains:

• What it truly means to “live from soul”
• How emotional reactivity can transform into compassion
• Why most personality tests and inventories are incomplete
• The four worlds of consciousness and how they influence development
• How to support children without overriding their intuition
• Why alignment matters more than achievement

We explore tantrums, intuition, clean questions, family energy, manifestation, faith, and what it looks like to honor your child’s soul without losing your own.

If you’ve ever wondered how to manifest your highest potential while staying grounded in family life — this episode bridges psychology and spirituality in a way that’s both expansive and practical.

Learn more About Dr. Eleanor and take the free four-world assessment at nobleenergywellness.com.

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Transcript

Ryann 1:04

Welcome back to the Raising Wild Hearts Podcast. This is episode 149. And today we are building a bridge between the spiritual and the scientific. Dr. Eleanor Hasbell Portner has spent over 50 years synthesizing psychology, neuroscience, astrology, Jungian theory, and ancient wisdom into a framework she calls Noble Energy Maps. This conversation is fascinating, and we're going to explore the soul, subconscious patterns, you know, the ones that maybe are keeping you stuck. We're also talking about parenting from alignment and how we can transform emotional reactivity into love and compassion. Hi, Dr. Eleanor. Welcome to the show. Thank you. I'm very honored to be here with you. Me too. I'm so excited to have you here. And you talk a lot about creating a dream life. And I resonate with that deeply. And I'm sure many people listening do as well. And here's what I want to kind of tease out in that dream life piece is that sometimes when we ask ourselves, what is our dream life? We feel these limitations because maybe we don't see what's possible, right? Or maybe we're just saying, I don't know. And it's like, hmm, what if we did know, right? Kind of like hacking that subconscious and saying, like, but you do know somewhere inside of you. So if someone were to say to you, like, I don't really know what I want my dream life to be, or everything's just kind of fine, what would you say to them?

SPEAKER_01 2:47

If you knew what your dream life would be, how would you know you knew?

Ryann 2:54

How do you know that you know? Is that your soul, right? Is that the observer?

SPEAKER_01 2:58

Yeah, well, it's one of the things I say to most of my clients is when you know what you know, and no one can tell you you don't know. You're not stubborn, you're not selfish, you are in alignment with your soul. And in my clinical practice, which spanned over 50 years, I can say that every person who came to me for therapy came because no one had listened to their soul. And the hurt was of knowing something that's right for you and not having it listened to. And that happens in our homes all the time with children.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

And when I think back to my own experience that led me to my work, I was already a developmental psychologist when I had my children. I had studied with the best of the best at the University of Chicago. Larry Kohlberg, Bruno Betelheim was there, Tom Gordon came out of there, Carl Rogers came out of my department. So there was a lot of focus on communication. And I had studied development in children, in babies. And yet when my two-year-old had a tantrum, I was like, okay, what do I do? How do I stop this? How do I it you know my oldest child is my son, my children were 11 months apart by choice. Um, and my son would get frustrated, and there was no way in with his frustration. And I learned to let him go through it and to just say, I know you're frustrated. I know this is something you want to figure out on your own, and it's frustrating you that you can't. I'm here if you need me. And you know, fast forward to when he was in high school, and he wasn't doing a lot of extracurricular stuff. He was just basically on his computer and doing his thing. And I said to him, you know, how are you gonna get into a great college if you don't do more? And he said, I don't want you to worry. I said, I'll make a deal with you. I won't worry unless you tell me to. So do I have your word that if I need to worry about where you're gonna go to college, you'll tell me. Probably a year or year and a half later, he came to me one day and said, You need to worry. And I said, Okay, what's going on? He said there was a teacher who nothing he could do was right, and he didn't know how to get through it. So I went in and I spoke to the teacher with him, and they became the best of friends. And he got into Brown early admission, and he didn't do it a traditional way, he did it his own way. So I believe very strongly that because we live in four worlds, the mental waking world, the physical biological world. Now, interestingly enough, in my Noble Energy Maps, which is my energy mapping system that's scientifically documented on 45,000 cases, it's astrologically based. And between those two worlds, there is a solar plexus. There's emotions, and the body registers those emotions unconsciously before we ever feel them. So those are two worlds that have emotion, but the spiritual archetypal world, the world that we're in when we dream, not when we sleep, but when we dream, is a world of symbols and where we're connected to the collective consciousness of everyone on the planet, maybe even beyond. And so the fourth world is what I call the emotional angelic world. And I named it angelic because it's the world where we transform emotional reactions of the waking plane into what's meaningful for us spiritually. Passion and love are the creative intelligence of consciousness. But that side of us is intuitive.

Ryann 7:42

So if somebody right now is stuck in their life, I'm hearing you say that we can transform those emotions, those lower vibrational emotions that frustration and maybe anger or rage, we can transform that to love and compassion, correct? 100%. Okay. And how do we actually go about the transformation of that?

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Well, let's say you it's a couple, okay, and they're starting to argue. Not a bad argument, but something where they disagree. The quickest way to stop it is with a question, given all of this, what would you like to have happen now? Stops it cold. Mm-hmm. So it's all about tuning in to the inner being.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

And as related people, to see the soul of the other person, to see who that person is putting forth in the world. You're doing a podcast. I'm a guest on your podcast. I'm looking and seeing how much love you want to share. It's coming across in your energy that you're doing this uh as an act of love for the people you can speak to. And that's very visible. So if somebody did not see that in you, they would be miscommunicating. And let's say that were happening, your defense against that would be to see their struggle and to do it lovingly so that it would transform and align with what your mission is. Did I get it?

Ryann 9:30

Yes, you did, Dr. Eleanor. And I actually have a specific instance that popped into my mind where I actually felt really judged by somebody in a professional circle. And I felt like, ugh, this person just doesn't understand what I'm trying to do. If only she knew, if only she didn't misinterpret, you know, what I said or what I did. And we do this like so often in life, in our families, at our work. Like we think, oh, that person is judging me. And then, you know, typically what we do is like, ugh, they're silly anyway. I don't want to be friends with them anyway, right? And we project, I don't know if that's the word you would use, but we project this like bad or wrong onto them so that we don't have to be wrong.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

The experiences of dissonance between two people because they're not really connecting at the level that they want to connect. One of my books is called Living from Soul. And my next book's going to be Parenting from Soul. But Living from Soul came out of my work in charting the four worlds. And I came to the four worlds from my study of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, but also as a trained Jungian. And so Jung talked a lot about four types and the Myers-Briggs. And you know, we tend to think in terms of four. Uh four quadrants in the astrology wheel, four seasons in the year. Um four is a number of completion. Um so the Kabbalistic Tree of Life talks about the four worlds, and it actually is a map of self-actualization, how the stages we must go through, and you're doing a lot with parenting. And so a big part of parenting is recognizing the stages of development and the fact that when you when a child is moving or we're moving in our adult life between stages, let's say it's a kindergartner who goes into first grade, so they're learning a whole set of visual, auditory, kinesthetic cues that destabilize their sense of balance until they move into the new equilibrium. So every new endeavor, whether it's a new day or a new piece of knowledge, or I was just before this in a um webinar on using the AI tool Gemini and creating creating custom bots. It's a whole new learning curve for everyone on this planet. And then the question is, how do we bring soul into it? How do we bring, how do we not take soul out of our relationships? And how do we use AI so that we can be more present with each other rather than less? Yeah.

Ryann 13:00

I want to go really granular and get your definition of soul, right? Because you're saying we need to bring soul into parenting and living from soul and soul in our relationships. What is our soul?

SPEAKER_01 13:15

I believe from the time of birth we know who we are. Um we say I, who that I is, who I feel like when I'm myself, when I'm at my healthiest, I have no pain in my body, I am not tired, I'm awake, I'm alert, I'm connected, I am communicative. It's the sense of everything being in balance, of calm and of peace and of joy, and of feeling that I am who I am and I'm whole.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Uh when we feel that, you know, infants feel that.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

And at three months of age, as my research shows, when a baby starts to reach for an object, you have three children, you know developmentally that if your baby didn't smile by six weeks, or reach for an object, or show a preference for who was holding him when he was six weeks old, you would have thought there was a problem.

Ryann 14:32

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

So at three months of age, interestingly enough, is when the pediatric literature now says it's a baby, not a neonate, and they call the first three months of life the missing fourth trimester. So given that, I did the astrological analysis on my maps, and I found that the worlds fall into very specific critical times, both in pregnancy and the first three months of life, developmentally, astrologically, physiologically, it all tracks. So at the time a baby is three months old, and according to my statistics, I'd say ninety-nine percent of the population can manifest their full potential at three months of age. We are designed to manifest who we are. That who we are is who the baby is, and that baby is communicating immediately with the people around it. Do they tune in? Do they give in? Do they love that baby? Or do they get angry when the baby cries and is uncomfortable and they can't identify what it is?

Ryann 15:54

Yeah, like you said when your son was having his tantrums, how do I stop this? Because of our inability to be with those emotions in ourselves, we don't know what to do, right? Before growth, we don't know what to do when somebody else is uncomfortable. So it makes us uncomfortable. Stop it, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:13

My mother, when when my son was a baby, and I have this image of him standing on a cart holding on, because he wasn't yet walking, and being frustrated about something, and him crying, and my mother saying, Aren't you gonna do something? And I said to her, No, because there's no way in. And so I just wait until he invites me in. And that was honoring his soul. My daughter was quite different. She held her breath. And so I had a similar conversation with my mother. She said, She's holding her breath. Aren't you gonna do something? And I said, no, because she won't let me in. And if she holds her breath long enough and passes out, she'll start breathing. And my mother just looked at me like, really?

Ryann 17:10

And I as they do, as they do.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

And you know, each child is so unique.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Yeah.

unknown 17:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

And you have to treat each one for who they are. As you know, with three, it's a real challenge.

Ryann 17:24

It's a real challenge. I'm thinking about one of my beloved children right now, and she's having a challenge at the school she's at. And I'm so aware of my children at coming into this life with their own soul's journey and their own mission and their own purpose. But she's saying, like, I just really want to switch schools slash go back to homeschooling like we did in the past. And she'll talk about this struggle. And one part of me, like, wants to be like, okay, honey, let me save you and pull you out of this school. But the fact is, I know she's safe. She's had a lovely program that we've hand selected over a number of years to find that we pay money for, that we, you know, all these things, right? And then there's this part of me that's like, okay, you chose me. That's what I believe. I believe she chose me and her siblings and our family for a reason. And perhaps this is part of your soul's journey to be up against this challenge and to have us hold the space for you. We listen to her when she says, you know, we we don't tell her that she's a liar or that she's wrong or stop, you're being silly. It's just witnessing it.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

You could say we do have the freedom to make it a different choice for you. But we've really carefully considered that certain things are important for you to learn from as you grow. One of them is how to be comfortable in c uncomfortable situations. And so, how can we help you get through whatever it is the challenges are? Yeah, I love so you become an advocate for the part of her that is empowered, and you you're saying to the part that does not feel empowered, we're gonna take care of you.

Ryann 20:28

I love that. Honoring that there are two parts of her because I also see her like happy and excited, and she is very deeply spiritual, tuned in, has always been my little Scorpio baby.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Scorpio is very intense, and I have a Scorpio moon, and my mentor, astrologer, Catherine DeJersey, said to me, Well, dear, people are not gonna understand you because you have a Scorpio moon, and the intensity and the depth is not something most people want to go to. And so understanding the nature, and one of the other things that my Noble Energy Maps does, especially for parents, is that so many people, especially young ones now, with all of the planetary alignments, the eclipses, the alignments that haven't happened since biblical times. Um, and I just did um a YouTube on February 28th and another one for March 3rd, they're on my YouTube channel. But for someone like your daughter who's so Scorpion, um, I would let her know that not everybody's gonna understand her depth and that she's probably very intuitive. And what I see in a lot of noble energy maps is when there's an open center, like there is now, the splenic center is open and the solar plexus is activated. So we are living at an emotionally reactive time where people are crazed. They're just crazed.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

And they're hostile. I mean, you can be emotionally reactive and take a moment and say, okay, what do I know about what I know about this? And what do I want to have happen? And how can I do it with love and compassion? In the Tree of Life, the 27th path of intelligence is the cross of Christ. And the cross goes from the solar plexus to the splenic center. And it's specifically for transforming false beliefs and false ideas, and all of the falseness comes in emotional reactivity because once you get the truth, it's compassion and love. So most people in our Western world, and probably the Eastern world also, never get past that initiation. And you cannot go to higher mind and higher consciousness if you do not go intuitive and compassionate.

Ryann 23:22

Yeah. You hit the nail on the head with how she is, and it's interesting because it's something that she's not even really able to verbalize. She'll say things like, Oh, the class is like really loud, or I just don't have that one best friend, or like a couple different variations of that.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

You know, I would ask her an interesting question. Yeah. What would be different if you had a best friend?

Ryann 23:47

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Yeah. Or what difference would it make if it wasn't so loud? Those are what we call clean questions. They have no kinesthetic, visual, or auditory cues. So they do not in coaching, as I'm reading questions, what I read a lot is what does it look like? What does it feel like? If you don't feel emotional, you don't know what it feels like.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

You may know what it looks like, or you may know what your experience of it is, but it may not be a feeling. It may be a knowing. So each world has its specific language. The world of soul is clean. What would be different?

Ryann 24:35

What difference would it make? What difference would it make if. Okay. And then that allows them to say, I would feel this way, or it would look like this, or I would perceive it this or I would sense this.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Okay.

Ryann 24:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Also, another little tip for parents is at the dinner table at night. First off, eat as a family, no electronics. And go around and give gratitudes. But when you say what you're grateful for, the key that people leave out is a because statement. And the because should be tangible and concrete of its effect on you. And that lowers cortisol. And it it calms people down and is healing. So maybe if you went around the dinner table every night and all of you had a say of gratitude, your daughter might find something grateful for in school.

Ryann 25:38

That's so true. We do family meetings once a week, and we do a similar gratitude practice like that. Uh, but we do eat together every night, and I do believe it makes a difference. And we actually eat together every morning too. So we really have two meals together.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

That's what I always did with my family. Yeah, it's lovely. There was a Harvard study that showed that families that ate dinner together had fewer drug problems.

Ryann 27:04

I believe it. I believe it. And it's crazy because all the kids, like we have so many kids in our society who are so busy, busy, busy, busy. They have activities booked after school, and we're trying to keep it spacious, although as they get a little older, it's a little more of a challenge because we're letting them find their interests and pursue those. But also it's like it's challenging if someone's at practice at 7 p.m. to have dinner together. So that's like one of our north stars in our family for sure. Um, I want to bring it up to parents. Like I want to bring it to, because I believe that we, my husband and I, as the leaders of the family, are responsible for not only the boundaries or the rules in our house, but I feel that we are really responsible and have a huge responsibility to create an energy in our home of like what I like to think of as like a bubble. Protected space. It's a protected space, yes. So energetically, how do parents, caregivers, even educators show up in a space with children that's either their home or their classroom that really is like setting the tone for a positive relationship, a great foundation, you know, learning, all of those things? Like what do we need to energetically be doing?

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Um I think the feng shui is very important. And uh keeping the environment uncluttered. Um I've noticed that even if it's a drawer that has clutter in it, I can feel it.

Ryann 28:43

Me too.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

And so we w my husband and I before we moved we moved from California five years ago, and two years before that, I decided to Conmari the whole house.

Ryann 28:54

I don't know, Conmari.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Conmari is a decluttering system.

Ryann 28:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

Um the art of tidying up. Marie Kondo.

Ryann 29:04

Oh yes, okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

And so I I hired a coach and she came to the house, and we started with the closets, and then we did books, and then we did papers, and and the whole house was completely uncluttered. And I I got rid of thirty out of forty boxes of books, if you can imagine. Wow. I c we it w it made such a huge difference.

Ryann 29:30

I believe it.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

That I don't think I can ever go back to anything that's messy. But also I put crystals in all of the strange angles in the house. Um my office has a door that's at an angle. So I have a crystal hanging on a red thread on either side of the door. Um, I have mirrors on the outside of my home facing out, eight-sided mirrors that keep the protection and perimeter safe.

Ryann 30:07

I've heard of that. And that like literally just deflects like any bad energy coming towards the case.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

I wouldn't believe it, except that when we lived in California early on, we had we had indoor cats, and there was an outdoor cat that would come to our living room window and drive our cats nuts. So we had a Feng Shui expert come and he said, put a mirror on the fence facing the house across the street, and it'll stop the cat from coming.

Ryann 30:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

We did it. He never came back.

Ryann 30:48

Wow. I wonder if he went to the house across the street instead. I want to talk for a minute about limitations or maybe living in boxes. So sometimes when we get our astrology readings, or when we get our Myers Briggs or our Enneagram, or you know, the number of brilliant and beautiful personality tests out there and they limit us into a box.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

I'm an astrologer, I'm a clinical psychologist, but none of the personality instruments you mentioned take into account the four worlds. And I was gonna when I look at a noble energy map, I'm looking at a six-month period over which your energy was developed. Okay. And so in someone like yourself, you might be one way in the mental waking world, and yet you may have a whole different life purpose that needs to bridge, and knowing how the energy moves between the worlds can give you the insight into the bridges. Um just looking at you that you're energetically open, you're highly intuitive, and so where the mental waking world puts limitations on the creative intelligence, um you don't want to go there. And so it's a balance and it's like a it's like a um almost a cheater shotder. Where you have to be exactly at this at the right balance point so that there's not spillover between the worlds you don't want to spill into each other.

Ryann 32:32

That that resonates. And another thing with the Kabbalistic, you you're familiar with Kabbalah, obviously, because you talked about the tree of life. My takun is family. And so mentally, you're right, analytically, I'm going, well, my takoon is family. I really have to focus all in, you know, 80%. I have to give everything to my family, basically. And I that doesn't leave any room for career. And then my astrology echoed something like that. But your point, you're saying we're actually not taking into account all of the information that's available, which is why it feels lacking, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Well, but but from what you just said, what I'm hearing you say is there's more to you to bring to your family than you can do if you just stay at home and don't realize your own potential.

Ryann 33:22

1000%. 1000%. Because when I am pursuing my passions and interests and things I'm curious about, I'm happier and fulfilled, and just everything is better.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Right.

Ryann 33:39

Including parenting.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

Most of the tools out there disempower.

Ryann 33:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

The worst of them is human design.

Ryann 33:48

Really?

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Yes. I'm the world expert on human design.

Ryann 33:52

And you're saying that it's disempowering?

SPEAKER_01 33:54

It's disempowering because it's one-eighth of who you are. It's only the mental waking world at the moment of your birth. It doesn't take into account attachment, spirituality, and creative intelligence. And so when you add those other seven component time frames into the basic human design chart, you have noble energy maps, which is what I use and developed.

Ryann 34:24

Cool. That is awesome. So I always uh felt very limited by being a generator. I was like, this can't be true. I can't be true.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

You're probably a manifesting generator.

Ryann 34:35

I I think I'm just a plain old generator. But I I felt like, ooh, that doesn't feel it never resonated with me ever.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Well, that's what I hear from most people. Really? And um I according to the human design of a manifester. Okay. And I kept saying to Ra, who was my business partner, I wrote 13 books with him. I kept saying to him, Ra, I'm not a manifester. I'm not a manifester. And then when I laid out my eight charts with the calculations, I went, holy shit, this explains it. I'm a generator, a lunar generator. So I wait and I wait and I wait until I know because I know because I know. And then you can't stop me. But it could it took me twenty years to go fully public with Noble Energy Maps. What was that like? I was teaching it, doing readings, but it was invisible. And so at the same time, I mastered the Kabbalah. I mastered the system that I have. I played with it, I deepened it, I did thousands of readings, I put it into a four-world system, I fully studied the Kabbalah so I could use the paths of intelligence, just was doing my thing. And um continuing to study. And then in October of 2022, the voice said, You know what you have. You know what it is. Go public. And I I and then I waited. And two weeks later, the voice said to me again, Go public. What are you waiting for? So I went public with my Tai Chi group, and 15 people were interested.

Ryann 36:26

So that's such a testament for me personally, and I feel like many listening because we have an inclination to rush things, or why is it not here, or why have I not hit the pinnacle yet, or kind of chasing success. But you sat there, mastered what you were doing, deepened your knowledge, and basically turned it all into wisdom.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

I was doing what I loved and loving what I do because I've never worked a day in my life.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

I've, you know, I was continuing my clinical practice, I was doing readings, I was doing groups, I was teaching, you know, I was doing what I was doing, but I knew that there was a bigger mission that I was moving toward. When and how it would happen, I didn't know. And we can't know until we know.

Ryann 37:16

Yeah. A coach of mine used to say the how is none of your business. And I I always remember that because there's this faith that is required in order to walk that path.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

And when we're on the path, synchronicities happen. People show up, the right people show up with the right questions, the right answers show up in our life at the right time. And I think maybe your daughter needs to hear that. That sometimes we're tested, and especially for all of the listeners now, with the uh kinds of cosmic energies. Um three eye atlas possibly going to land on Ganymede and the moon of Jupiter, the alignment of six planets on February twenty eighth, the uh lunar eclipse, blood moon, March third. This is uh biblical, and everybody is uh feeling it. Um so many people who are open energy centers are feeling the energy bigly red hands, red feet, itchy skin, aches and pains and craziness. So be patient, be loving toward yourselves. This is a time when people are confused. Don't take the confusion personally. It's not personal. And all of us have such an important mission with each other and the people we love. And respect their soul without pushing. The Kabbalistic tree of life says that the Holy Spirit lives in the sacral center, the gut. If it doesn't feel right, it's not right. I always say, when in doubt, sit it out.

Ryann 39:22

When in doubt, sit it out. I love that. Yeah, I love that. And I think as kids we were taught like the opposite of that. Like, get up and do what I say, or like listen to your teachers, or some variation of that.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

An example of the soul not being listened to. Correct.

Ryann 39:39

Correct. Do you think with this generation the tide is turning and that we are becoming collectively more conscious and that we are starting to see each other as souls?

SPEAKER_01 39:52

We're in a battle between good and evil, and I'm encouraged that faith is coming back and God is coming back. Um, without faith, we're lost. And there are so many people now who are lost and they don't know they're lost. And um we're at a critical crossroads. So those of us who understand soul, who understand consciousness, who understand faith need to be loving those who are struggling and reactive and not fighting them.

Ryann 40:32

That's the work.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

The tarot card associated with the twenty-seventh path of intelligence that goes between the solar plexus and the splenic center is the tower card. The tower card is showing that false beliefs must be thrown away. And we must be looking for real truth. And the truth is not angry, and the truth is not withholding, and the truth is not judgmental. So those of you listeners who are caught in a web of the mental waking world reactivity, maybe just for today, be quiet and go within and ask where the battle is raging within you instead of outside. And maybe then as peace comes inside, the peace will come outside.

Ryann 41:30

I love that invitation. I really believe that in this little corner of the world, which one of my previous guests called our one eight, uh, you know, our one of eight billion in our little corner, like that's what we can do. We can to figure out, to feel whatever that is for you, more peace, more love. Dr. Eleanor, your work is so great. So you can head to nobleenergy wellness.com and take the free assessment and schedule a call with Dr. Eleanor. Thank you for your presence and your passion today.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure.