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It's that time again....
Are you ready for a journey that will chill your bones as much as it warms your palate? Join us on a haunted adventure that combines two of our favourite things: whisky and ghost stories. We start off by sipping a 12-year-old Aultmore and share tales of the spooky side of distilleries, even revealing what kind of ghosts we'd be, should we ever haunt a distillery (planning on it!)
From there, we take you to Northern Ireland, diving into the eerie stories surrounding the Bushmills Distillery. Brace yourself for tales of ghostly pipers, tragic love stories, and a spectral search for a lost love. We also whisk you away to Louisville, Kentucky, to explore a distillery with a history as rich as its whiskey. The Old Forester distillery, with its chilling tales of murder, ghost sightings, and a dapperly dressed spectral figure, will surely send a shiver down your spine. OOOOooooOOOOoooOOOO
Also, we talk about The Boston Molasses Explosion! Spoiler Alert: not a great way to meet your end!
This Episode is sponsored by Sherbrooke Liquor, one of the World's Best Top Bottle Shops.
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Hello and welcome to Dram Find the podcast where we talk about all things whiskey. I'm Chelsea and I'm Pamela, and on this episode we are diving into the paranormal and the macabre once again as we talk about dead distillers and distillator tragedies. So grab a drum and listen, if you dare.
Speaker 2:We would love for you to take a sec to subscribe to our show on your podcast app and leave us a 5 star review if you like what you hear. You can also support us by heading to our website, dramfindca, and sign up for our newsletter. Alright, let's do it. Hi Chelsea, hi Pam, can you see ya, we are face to face. Wait, ted, actually quite close. Ted on Ted. We're sure now, mate, ted, I just had Italian dressing, so you probably you're gonna smell that Same Okay.
Speaker 2:Good, so it's fine. This is good, this is fine.
Speaker 1:This is fine. So are you afraid of the dark? Are you scared of ghosts? We're talking about ghosts again.
Speaker 2:Well, we always do that, don't we? No, we don't, no, we do.
Speaker 1:Once a year. Oh, I mean this. I thought you mean, like, talk about ghosts in general. But you know how we do once a year, once a year, and here we are. I'm scared of the dark, are you? You know, I don't have time to be scared of the dark anymore, too busy, I'm too busy. But other things like oh god, what are you into? Real things.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, it's like ghosts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mortgage payments, I don't have time to worry about. If there's a ghost over there, maybe Now all the ghosts, I'm like taunting the ghosts now they're gonna come. They're coming for me A challenge, but I do enjoy, as you know, do enjoy a scary ghost story and the macabre, the macabre, the macabre.
Speaker 2:Yep, I'm all up at the macabre Kind of are I actually am. Yeah, I know I love this. This is my favorite time of the year. Halloween is my favorite holiday. Yeah, it's long gone now. I'm stoked. My decorations are still up, exactly so this was supposed to come.
Speaker 1:You know what? We were just gonna say it. We were supposed to have this out earlier, but you know what Shit happens, guys, and instead we're doing it because we want to extend the holiday. So here we are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, plus, there's always time Halloween's for life, not just for Halloween.
Speaker 1:Exactly it's a state of mind. It's a state of mind it's for life, not just for.
Speaker 2:Halloween. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:So I have a question for you, though, because we're gonna be talking about ghosts here. Ghosts, yep. If you were a ghost.
Speaker 2:Cool. Oh did you get a chill? No, I just was an excite in this question. Oh okay, yep.
Speaker 1:If you were a ghost, pam, would you be kind of ghost would you be? Would you be a benevolent entity, would you be mischievous, or would you be like trying to scare the shit out of people?
Speaker 2:Oh, I think I would just be like a nosy ghost. A nosy ghost, yeah, just way to see what the fucker up to you just see what it up to. Yeah, what's happening there? What's happening there? Yeah, what's people doing Properly? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:As a pervert ghost. You'd be a perv. What would you be, mmm Pervert ghost? Exactly, no, I think I would like, I would definitely want to be a mischievous ghost. I think I would just like to really mess with people.
Speaker 2:Are you the ones that leave the drawers in the kitchen and leave the papers around and stuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would gaslight, people and the after all the afterlife. Yeah, I wouldn't want to cause too many. You know, maybe some people I would scare Certain people out there. I would love to scare the pants off, oh yeah, but others, just a little trick.
Speaker 2:I would just watch you and have up your laugh. Follow me. Yeah, yeah, you'd be tricking me. No, I wouldn't be tricking you, you'd be just watching. I'd be watching your tricks of people and enjoy it.
Speaker 1:We're both ghosts together in the scenario.
Speaker 2:Well, we do have our nails together, okay, well, we're gonna be ghosts together.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, that's good to know. So I guess we should start talking about some ghosts and distilleries and whatnot, because distilleries are really old and I feel like people like to hang around there. They're creepy, they're creepy. Lots of creaky wood, lots of dark, cold, dark.
Speaker 2:Or warm or warm. Yeah, ghosts love a big range of stuff. They do because they like to shock you by making your temperature drop.
Speaker 1:That's right. Yeah, the beat drops too. Whoa DJ.
Speaker 2:Ghost, dj Ghost. It plays music for people. Well, they do turn the stereo on sometimes. Rik Rol, maybe that's what it'll be. Just get the tunes on. There you go.
Speaker 1:I like it Okay, but before we do that, I think we should talk about what we're drinking today too, while we talk about all these fun things, what you brought for us.
Speaker 1:I brought oh, would you care for a wee meal? A little nip of the Bucky Road. Oh, what a nip, how many nips? Because that's apparently what you would say on the sly if you wanted to taste Altmore. Altmore, the space side whiskey. This one here is the 12 year. So the Altmore of the Foggy Moss, what's it called? Dave, I know right, sounds kind of scary. It does so. This was. This distillery was often veiled in an obscuring mist, probably, aka the Foggy Moss, and it's been often. This distillery has been shrewded in mystery. This whiskey is an exceptional. It's very smooth and it's just a top class stuff. So it's kind of like, if you know, you know. So we're going to try some Altmore 12 year old today while we talk.
Speaker 2:Okay, yes, definitely for me on the Bucky Road. Then, alright, here comes a nip.
Speaker 1:Oh, here we got a two bottle pop A BP, those kind of scary.
Speaker 2:Spooky bottle, pop, spooky pop.
Speaker 1:Okay, alright, so we have our glasses. Let's do a little cheers. How's that for Scary let's? We're going to have a quick sip here. It smells really nice. The nose on this is quite sweet. Very vanilla, very rich vanilla sweetness. It just ought right off the bat.
Speaker 2:What's the ABV on that? Because it's not 46. Yes, that's the lower part.
Speaker 1:We will check back with this. I'm gonna open up. I think it actually could probably use a little bit of time. I think it'll open up nicely. That's what I think of the first taste. Okay, well, while we do that, why don't you talk? Yeah, lead us through what we, who we talking with distillery, we go on to first. Hey, bush Mills, you ever been there? Not physically, but and spend it.
Speaker 2:It's weird, I'm always there, okay, wow. Well, this first story He'll is some star-crossed lovers.
Speaker 1:We love a star-crossed lovers. Yeah Well, everything be okay for them in the end.
Speaker 2:Well, no, it's a tragic tale, okay, but let's, let's travel back to to bush Mills before. It is what we know it now. Does that make sense? Well, I just said it's kind of French Roundabout way, get that? So the small village of bush Mills, set on the banks of the river bush, is the oldest working distillery in Ireland.
Speaker 1:Okay, We'll fight about that later.
Speaker 2:It's been operating for more than 400 years, so sure it has its fair share of ghosts, and the distillery is home to the gray lady the great or gray, what do you say?
Speaker 1:Gray the color, gray, gray, okay.
Speaker 2:Most are always gray Gray.
Speaker 1:But it's always a gray lady. How did you say a great lady? A great lady Doesn't sound much different.
Speaker 2:A great, a great. Don't make me start that the Aaron and Aaron argument again with you. That's true, that's true.
Speaker 1:Sounds the same when you say it Well. It sounds the same when you say gray and gray.
Speaker 2:Well, she was a great gray lady.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, good.
Speaker 2:And numerous employees spotted her over the years. So it has actually been a settlement since the 12th century. Bush mills the area. So back in the day there was lots of mills along the river bush the Brits corn mills, flax, timber, paper mills and numerous distilleries. So it was a wee spot and eventually a community kind of grew together in the 1800s. It's this very thriving community and people started traveling there for tourism because it's not far from Giant's Causeway and it had a lot of what happened in there A lot of people doing it reproducing, because you expanded.
Speaker 1:You said it just draws people. Yeah, that's where my mind went.
Speaker 2:You've got sex in the brain today.
Speaker 1:I don't know what. What's wrong with you? Oh the horny ghosts. Yeah, you're right, that's probably what started it.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just thinking about Ghostbusters. For that scene it was when they, yeah, the when he's getting a blowjob off a ghost. Oh, I know that delayed scene. No, I don't. Well, I didn't know what, I don't know what. The deleted scene? Well, it wasn't on TV because obviously I had it taped off the tail. Of course, I was a wee girl and I never knew this scene was in it until, like, probably in the last 10 years or something like that. And there's a scene where what's his name, what's the guy's name? Bill Murray? No, dan Ackroyd, the best one, the best one, and he's like sleeping and he's dead. Oh, oh, he's down on him. Shit, I don't know that. Okay, so it wasn't loud in Italy, in the UK, this is true. We'll put a link in Vile, it is true. Okay, we'll put a link in the show notes. Six of Ghosts.
Speaker 1:I just thought you meant like when they're getting, when they get stuff shot out of them, it's very, you know, you know, suck Anyways, continue Anyways. Six of Ghosts, she's like.
Speaker 2:Anyway, let's get back to the serious bushmills here. So in bushmills, the village, there was a couple that lived across the road from the distillery called George and Margaret Mags George, and they were a retired couple, very devoted, happy couple, who just wanted a quiet life, like they couldn't be bothered by all these tourists coming in, going to visit Giant's Causeway and hanging out at the distilleries and that Like this is their tune, yeah, like they just wanted to chill and have their nice times together. They were always seen together. They were never apart, apart from when George would take the redog for a walk at night.
Speaker 2:So he would head out, walk along the river bush and then wander into the distillery because it didn't have like big fences around or whatever like security like it does now, like people could wander in and out of it, and that was he's route. He did every night, so he always went the same way. And one night he went for his usual walk and Margaret was waiting, waiting. He never came back Over an hour she's still waiting and then she heard some scratching, scratching at the door. She opened the door. It was the be-dog. He came back without, without, without George, without.
Speaker 1:George.
Speaker 2:George. Where is he? Where is he? George is missing. So Margaret in a panic now obviously he's off with one of the tourists. Could be. Yeah, that's why they hate them, that's true.
Speaker 2:So Margaret was off, grabbed her like we candle torch guy off, she went out into the night to search for him. She's banging on all the neighbours doors. They never seen George and some of them had, because they all know each other. So we tune and the last sighting was of him wandering into the distillery and then no one saw him again. So she's wandering around the distillery grounds hunting for him. She opens one of the doors to the distillery, gets in there. She's wandering around all the floors with her little candle trying to find him and he's no there. She had to give up, go home. But the next night she went out hunting for him again the same route that no George. The next night and the next and the next the same. She never gave up looking for him. She did live a long life, weren't she? Eventually, when she passed away, there was some unusual happenings when she died around the distillery. Just her searchin' still.
Speaker 2:Where could he be? Where could he be, george?
Speaker 1:He's like I've had enough of this shit. He had to Canada or something, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Oh, poor Margaret, so poor Margaret. So poor Margaret. She's still wandering around. So people have felt a hand on their shoulder when they're in the distillery, cold flash or them while they're wandering around the warm areas of the distillery doors that are heavily bolted, normally left open. You know spooky stuff, and some people have actually even seen a figure of a woman in a shawl with her little candle, torch thing or lantern thing in the corners of the distillery. Spooky Ooh. So she's wandering there moaning and wailing, searching for George, people hear her moaning and wailing too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's one for the dramatic. She's never gone over it.
Speaker 2:She never got over it.
Speaker 1:Well, I would be pissed. I'd be pissed and sad, like where the fuck did he go? I know so would she Right? I mean, we had to take care of this place by myself now, maybe with a note, but then maybe he did die, maybe he like fell in a still and got like, or I know that people would find him. What happened? What happened to George George? I think he fell in the river. You think he maybe fell in the river? Yeah, maybe. That's a good, that's a logical explanation, very good.
Speaker 2:Very good.
Speaker 1:Well, that was a really good story for really bad for her old marriage, or Meg.
Speaker 2:Should.
Speaker 1:Maggie, maggie, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, let's get on to our next story, shall we? Yeah, let me have a piece of the last one. Okay, cheers to George and Meg. This one's for Max.
Speaker 2:It's really sweet actually.
Speaker 1:It is, we're kind of casks, we're kind of casks of the years here. I think it's just a must be American oak. I think it's just like maybe doesn't really say what. We're just assuming it's American oak.
Speaker 2:It's cannot like. It's sweet and floral and and very easy to drink. And yeah it's actually I'd just say that's lovely, that is quite a lovely smooth and clean.
Speaker 1:So next up we are going to continue our tour of Ireland here, because we're headed now to Kilbegan, which you know has a little beef with bushmills, perhaps because, because, although bushmills maybe technically had the first license bestowed upon them by King James I in 1608 to distill, because you had to have a license to distill, yeah, they had to register, but they didn't register to trade until the late 18th century. So meanwhile, kilbegan, they were distilling before that. So I don't know what the, the hang up was bushmills, but we're busy. Yeah, tourism, they had to try to find George then. So, kilbegan, they I mean they call themselves the oldest working distillery. Because of that, certainly one way We'll have to fight, yeah, fight, I'm going to get my sword. So the also but they would, they do have is the oldest working pot still for sure, it's over 250 years old.
Speaker 2:They still use that bad boy yeah, it's called usually have a name Old timer. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Old potty and they're hot head. So, anyways, the founder, matthew McManus. He started distilling there in 1757. He was a good year and his family kept the distillery for over 100 years before it was passed on to John Locke. Not to be confused with the philosopher or well lost, which he was probably named after, the philosopher and and doctor physician, oh my God, you know John Locke. Hey the philosopher. No, I only know John Locke from lost. Yeah, they probably named John Locke from lost after the actual major John Locke, I imagine.
Speaker 2:Well, I like to imagine that there's an episode that never been out of lost, where John Locke traveled back.
Speaker 1:And it was actually based off of John Locke, the distiller. Coming up next is John Locke crise. Well, maybe there's some lost footage out there somewhere. So, on the cutting room floor Lask, we'll call, we'll call, we'll call the lost people. Um, you get on that Okay, so, uh, but it's very Kilbegin was very much, very much part of the of the community, like even, I think um, they credit uh, matthew McMadis from almost having the very first like a crowdfunding project because one of the major components of their still broke and the whole town but pitched the money together so he'd get it fixed so that it wouldn't halt production. They were all probably drunks and they're like we need, you know, keep making whiskey here.
Speaker 2:I wonder what the parameters were around that let you get one B-dram for every two paints or something you know how. There's like tears when you do your credit card. I'm not sure I wouldn't have had tears.
Speaker 1:Maybe he started we'll have to look more into this tear system. Um, they also came together. There was a actual a uh a big mass of fire in 1878 and they, all you know, cause alcohol and fire.
Speaker 2:It's flammable, not good, not good.
Speaker 1:So, they were.
Speaker 1:They were rolling out barrels out of there, saving all the whiskey, risking their lives for the whiskey, mm, hmm, and uh and yeah. So that's just to show you how important the skill bag in the distillery was, um, but now for the haunting. So there was a like a, a, um, an abbey nearby, uh, and you know lots of monks hanging around. So there's always been multiple sightings of monk ghosts. Monks love a drink. They do love a drink. You know they brought, they brought distillation to Western Europe, to Ireland, mm, hmm, right To Ireland. I think I bumped them like that. It was a ghost, um. They brought it from, uh, from the what was at the time called as like Mesopotamia, which is like Iraq now, that area.
Speaker 1:They used it just to still make like medicine and and and you know perfumes. Yeah, they brought that technology. Then monks did that, brought it back to Western uh, you know Europe. And then Ireland and Scotland were like oh, we have lots of barley kicking around, let's just still it's still that shit.
Speaker 1:And then whiskey was born. Technically, I mean, there's a bit of an argument of who invented it first Ireland and Scotland, right, technically there's a record of Ireland having it first. Look, it's a good job with pals, that's what. What's that? It's a good job with pals. It's a good job with pals? Yeah, scotland, ireland, yeah, they are, but this is. But then it's got to say some heard them say. Sometimes they say okay, maybe Ireland discovered it, but we perfected it.
Speaker 1:Uh, so maybe we'll just let that lie. We have to be. That's not something we're talking to. Yeah, we're not doing it. I just want to talk about monks, really Monks, yeah. So anyways, there's monks, ghosts, monk ghosts, which I'm not a fan of.
Speaker 2:I hate their hair costs. Yeah, boldly hate the, the, the, the fire, the type of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wonder why they do that, I don't know. Oh baby, they probably. Maybe. Maybe they want their head no closer to God, but then some people want higher the hair, the cost of the God. That's like Texas, is You're right. So what is it?
Speaker 2:Well, is that hair?
Speaker 1:God, Less more hair to God.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but no wonder that we are hood, that cat called cold, yeah.
Speaker 1:So anyways, I'm just imagining these. You know, um, monty Python, ask monks in ghost form, like smacking their head with their bibles, just run straight to the battle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So all very scary stuff, um and there's also there's also lots of um, apparently, in the distillery. There's lots of murmuring and whispering going around here.
Speaker 2:Gossip ghosts, gossip girl, gossip ghosts. Ghosts are like it's so, it's so, gossip Ghosts. Did you see what was there? It's a real, it's a real treat. Did he even wash that wall in his hair? See, that's a thing. Yeah, so gossip, gossip ghosts.
Speaker 1:And um, and also there's been um uh sightings of Mr Matthew McManus himself kicking around the distillery. I think these, the original distiller's, like to kick around. They want to grow micromanagers, micromanagers.
Speaker 2:Still still think of the big man yeah. Right no one does it right.
Speaker 1:Uh and so, uh, and I think you, I think you mentioned I know you don't think you mentioned it, but you told me before we started recording uh, ghost hunters, you know the show ghost hunters. Yeah, yeah, they visited. They did visit Kilbegin and they were like whoa, lots of activity here, so something's happening at Kilbegin. So if you go there, look out for ghosts, yeah, Ghosts of all kind, Wonder, wonder. Oh, a monk ghost.
Speaker 2:A monk ghost? Mm-hmm, you're fancy that, that's all.
Speaker 1:Uh, and that is uh briefly a start of Kilbegin, there we go. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:Let's have another sip, okay. So two, one, two, three, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So that's the sentence you need to solve whatever the monkey is, thanks.
Speaker 1:So boots and vines, yeah, you guys be well. Hey, yeah you guys. Okay, it's a good meal, okay, okay, slippery For yoga. No ус, you have no motto, any wish In therain for only the junk food. No Djoey. Bon Appétit, uh楽ry.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:I have more Okay let's get on to you. Have another story for us. That's yummy.
Speaker 2:I really like that. Yeah, down the hatch, down the hatch. Okay, I'm just going to touch on one. Okay, tomatoes and distillery, and you've mentioned it before. Actually, I don't think it was on the pod, but it was on our Instagram. See the Kuba can? Oh, the kabokan. Yes, do you remember what it means A ghost dog? It means ghost dog in Gaelic. So while spatting distillery may not be haunted by a human, it does have some spooky activity going on. So the legend has it that the last wolf in Scotland was actually killed near the distillery and it now haunts the grounds Like you killed the last wolf.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we don't have any, like crazy animals, just ghost wolves only yeah, but apparently it's been seen hunting its prey and then, as it's about to attack, it transforms into a blue, smoky cloud.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's not a very effective in catching prey. No, but isn't that scary.
Speaker 2:Very spooky. Imagine it was running at you, about to attack you, and then it's right in front of you and you're like I just blew myself.
Speaker 1:Sorry, that's from that's from fucking. That's from, uh, rested development, oh well, from all my rest of develop fans out there. You know, tobias, he paints himself blue and he thinks I just blew myself. Oh, anyways, that's funny that's funny.
Speaker 2:I wish I'd seen it. Maybe one day, maybe one day.
Speaker 1:Funny, that's kind of like it's a good show. It's on Netflix. Do you want to hear oh, you know what last time? Pam's having a little chuckle.
Speaker 2:Just like me plugging Netflix.
Speaker 1:Netflix. They need all the help they can get. So last time we did this, uh, this um, scary, spooky episode, I read some old newspaper clippings from this book called the Dead Distillers by, and I did this last time I didn't have it ready to go to tell you what the author of this book is, so I'm gonna look for that right now. So, yeah, so the book is called Dead Distillers, by Collins Spoilman and David Haskell from Kings County Distillery the history of upstarts and outlaws who made American spirits. So, uh, there's there's here out, there's just there's a throughout the book. There's just these newspaper clippings riddled with people that have died due to being in the distillery world, whether in an, in a distillery or what we'll see here shortly because they had a distillery. So this particular, uh, this particular news, um clipping is from the Highland Weekly News from Hillsborough, ontario, in May 27th Ontario. Uh, oh, did I say Hillsborough Ohio? Oh, my gosh, he's like Canadian, I don't know why I said Ontario. Uh, may 27th 1869.
Speaker 1:So on Saturday night, an armed band of disguised men stopped the train from Louisville to Memphis and attempted to murder internal revenue officer Han, who had a prisoner on board, arrested for running an illicit distillery bandits. Bandits were trying to rescue their still their friend, yeah Han's assistant, named unknown, jumped from the train, was fired on by the band and was seen falling. So I think he died. Mr Han fired into the gang, killing one of them. The others poureda volley into the train, fortunately without injuring anyone. The train was immediately put into motion. The last scene of the band they were making their way for the woods bearing their comrade, and the band was supposed to be to belong to a gang engaged in illicit distilleries extending from east Tennessee to Mississippi. So it, uh, you know it was a dangerous game back then and even now. But right, those bandits, those bandits, those trains out at what a, what a? That's like a scene from the wild west.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right, I'm not showing too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's one story from the dead distillers, but now it's a great book. Yeah, it's really interesting. Um, there's some really interesting female stories that we'll have to get into at some point for the show. Yeah, there's one called like moonshine maggie or something. She sounds great fun. I know right, I want to be friends with moonshine maggie. But let's now dive into another distillery. We're already talking about Kentucky here. Um, just in that clip there, and we're gonna head to Kentucky now for our next story. Let's do it, uh, in a in a distillery called old forester. Old forester, yes, yes, um, I have an old forester myself. It's a Subaru 2005. It's actually quite great. Um, it's always digging something don't you know?
Speaker 1:well, no, no, that one actually my newer for a Subaru means the work. The old forester has been great, so good, yeah, yeah, so, um, old forester. It's spelled differently though, but anyways, let's talk about old forester in Louisville.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in 1870 it was started by, uh, george Garvin Brown and it reopened in a new location just recently, in 2018, in a uh, a former site of this legendary hotel called the galt host sorry, this is hard for me to say galt house hotel, which opened in 1835. So this hotel was quite famous. It opened or it hosted the likes of, um, charles Dickens, big names, big celebs, yep. Also US Sees S Grant Ulysses, yep, yep. And Mr Abraham Lincoln Kind of a big deal. Kind of a big deal, yeah. So those are just the type of people that were meandering the halls of this hall of this galt house hotel. I see it's all, yeah, celebs central. This is like the Chelsea Hotel in New York or perhaps the Beverly Hills. What is it called? The? What is the one in?
Speaker 2:LA the Beverly Hills. I think it's the Beverly Hills, I think it's called.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyways, anyway. So this is all the site of murder most foul, oh shit. So there's a couple of famous murders that happened in where now the distillery resides. Union General Jefferson C Davis shot and killed William General Wait Shot and killed General William Nelson after they were drinking and had Willie Nelson. Willie Nelson, I didn't think of that. Well must be. Well, maybe that was his great grandfather or his dad or something.
Speaker 1:I don't know how old is Willie Nelson? Pretty old, he's an old guy, but like he's still kicking it Pretty good. Yeah, maybe he's haunting it, maybe that. Yeah, maybe he's a ghost. Anyway, so they, he killed the guy after an argument, a heated argument, just got, you know, trigger happy there. Nice job, jefferson. And then also, this one's a little bit more tragic. It's a pregnant mistress shot her baby daddy for not acknowledging the paternity of her unborn babies. Willie deserve it. He's really pissed. Yeah, you know, apparently he was a well-to-do man. I can't remember his name at the time, but his ghost is apparently seen walking around that area with his top hat and cane and his gold tipped cane Still being a fancy bastard, Yep still him being a little dandy, yeah, so old forester, yeah, and there's a security guard too who told the tale.
Speaker 1:He's I don't know if he's there anymore, but recently he talked about how he saw, basically, you know, the classic. You see, an old man wearing, you know, like the traditional garb of the times, like you know, mid-set or turn of the century type of outfits, and long beard, mustache. He saw this guy. He got on the elevator and he was just standing there staring at him and then he just kind of disappeared and he ended up seeing this guy every day for the next week and he could never see it on the cameras. Like they went back to check and it wasn't. He didn't show up on the cameras, I know, and yeah, there's also like just whether tourists or other workers, they see, just goes the classic walking through walls and into barrels and to barrels, yeah, drinking, drinking whiskey bottles. Someone's reported a poor ghost trying to get a drink. Oh, bottle is closed.
Speaker 2:I think I told you before because I've seen a couple of the list when I was a teenager and one of the ones was was a really old man. It looked like a sailor or something, oh really, and he was staring out a window and there was a table that wasn't really there. But I saw this table with a big decanter on it and he had this teeny, tiny little glass and he poured from the decanter into the glass and took a sip and just stared out the window. I literally was a little kid and I just looked out of her mind and my cupboards saw it and then just like closed my eyes and filled the cupboards over my head.
Speaker 2:It was like go away go away.
Speaker 1:You think you were dreaming. No, you saw that I was a spooky kid. That's so spooky. I don't like that. I don't like that at all. But yeah, I mean, there's I don't know how many, how many stories now we have of just you know, oh, there's these ghosts walking into the walls, into the barrels, and just like this just seems to be. That's a right for the ghosts are right for the picket and distilleries. We're finding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, do you. So that's, that's four different stories, two from Ireland, two from the States. Yeah Right, Goose garen, they're all over the place. Do you think there's a ghost here now? Yeah, so I have one more. It isn't necessarily ghost stories, more on the macabre side. Let's eat it. So this also came from the Dead Distillers book that I mentioned previously. And have you ever heard of the Boston molasses explosion?
Speaker 2:I've heard of the Boston Tea Party, but not the Boston molasses explosion.
Speaker 1:Well, get ready to hear about it, because it's actually quite horrifying. Okay, so there was this was during the early 1900s, during kind of the end of World War One, and they stored at this distillery 2.3, I believe, million tons of molasses that they used to not only make ethanol they can use it for drinks but it was used for ammunition, like making ammunition for the war. So they had 2.3 million gallons of this stuff that was recently delivered and was stored in this big vat and then all of a sudden it just something happened and the structure failed and it just came like a wall of molasses down into the town below and essentially like we're talking four-foot-high molasses, Like lava, Like well, I think it must have been. They kept it warm so that it could be easier to manipulate and use, because it gets hard, but I think like a few dozen people died, drowned, just pummeled, because it's like kind of molasses. Yeah, Can you find it Like? Can you think of a worse way to go? Drowning in molasses, Sticky, Sticky, and then just the rescue missions getting people out, and yeah, it just.
Speaker 1:There's actually a picture. You can see pictures of the after effects here or the after. So, yeah, if you can imagine a tidal wave. It's of 2.3 million gallons of molasses, 25 feet high actually, and traveling 35 miles an hour. When it hit, especially, there was a young girl that was hit right away, Maria. And oh man, everything was just crushed. Everything became debris, reduced to sticks, because that amount of force and the viscosity of molasses just oh my gosh. So here's tsunami. There it is, there it is. Yep, Let me see, We'll put a picture you can link to of the molasses explosion Shut up. Look at that. Yeah, and apparently yeah. Apparently, to this day, in that part of town in Boston, people still report smelling molasses on a hot summer's day. Right, right, yeah. So distilling dangerous business? Sure does. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Hail to safety. Wow, so distillery work.
Speaker 1:Spooky business, spooky business, yep, and you know, I guess, if anyone who has any stories with distillery, please let us know. Email us. Yes, we love them. We love them. We want more. We want more, exactly so final thoughts on our whiskey that we're drinking today our ultramar.
Speaker 2:I actually really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1:I think it's a really nice strap, I think if you're looking for a nice classic, easy to see, a nice space-side whiskey, this is a great representation of a space-side. It's 46% too, so it's not you know. It's taking itself pretty seriously and I just love whoever the writer is for their copy.
Speaker 2:They've got a creative writer in the ice for sure. Yeah, it's really nice. Bucky road Tornups to the Bucky Road, please.
Speaker 1:I will take a dip of the Bucky Road. Thank you, so yeah. So well done ultramar. Well done you two.
Speaker 2:You're good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:I guess that wraps up our episode. I guess season two, episode nine, no idea, it's nine, I think. Speak back, it is going to be back. We took you know what life comes at you hard, sometimes you gotta, sometimes it doesn't come at you like a wall of molasses. Actually, wall molasses in this case came at you really fast, pretty accurate, yeah, it came at you fast. So molasses not always the best analogy for something that goes slow, because, see Boston, molasses explosion.
Speaker 1:Anyways this outro is just losing it's and end and end. So no, we gotta say thank you to the creator of our theme song. Stir Bob In, for this Is the Life.
Speaker 2:Make sure you subscribe to us whenever you get your podcasts and follow us on Instagram dramfinepodcast Cheers, gang cheers gang.
Speaker 1:Mmm, that was really scary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you should put the question at the end of this. I've got all done here, in case my boss wants to. Yes, yes, yes, okay, high page je各.
