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SNM181: How to start a side hustle writing career without any experience with Lise Cartwright

June 12, 2020 Jonathan Green : Bestselling Author, Tropical Island Entrepreneur, 7-Figure Blogger
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SNM181: How to start a side hustle writing career without any experience with Lise Cartwright
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Lise Cartwright was just another brick in the corporate wall until she decided that she wants to write and make writing her full-time job. Her process was long, but she did her best, and now, as a self-published author she will give you some advice on how to start a side hustle writing career without any experience and how you should organize the transition period in between.

How to start freelance writing with no experience

If your passion is writing, but you have little experience, try freelance content writing. There are many online platforms you can use to get started. Start small until you get how the fundamental concept works. It's best if you keep your day job, at least in the beginning until you find a freelance writing job that pays off but still keep applying to as many jobs as you can.

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How to turn your side hustle into a full time career with special guest Lise Cartwright on today's episode. So it was brought to you by Easy Pay Direct - the payment processor for entrepreneurs by entrepreneurs. Get the lowest processing fees in the business by visiting servenomaster.com\easypaydirect today. Are you tired of dealing with your boss? Do you feel underpaid and underappreciated? If you want to make it online, fire your boss and start living your retirement dreams now. Then you've come to the right place. Welcome to serve no master podcast where you'll learn how to open new revenue streams and make money while you sleep. Presented live from a tropical Island in the South Pacific by bestselling author, Jonathan Green. Now here's your host.I'm excited to bring another amazing expert for our interview series, and today at least it's going to teach us about changing your career and building a fulltime business from your side hustle. Some important advice for freelance writers. How to start, even if you don't have any background, how you can jump into the field and start making money a lot faster than you ever thought possible and her process will sell publishing. What's exciting about this interview is that it's a very different story and journey than mine. It's an amazing story and it really shows you some things that are working right now. If you want to start making money this month, then you're going to love listen to this episode. Hi everyone. I'm so excited to have Lise here. She's an amazing experts on starting your side hustle, build your own business, and she's the founder of hustle and grow, which is the number one online source for getting clear on your side hustle and starting an online business that you're actually excited to work in, not a business that you hate, not a business you're going to everyday just to pay the bills, and this is so timely right now. I'm so excited to throw books, training videos in her, even her coaching, she's helped hundreds of different people to, um, start their side hustle journey and begin building a side business that they actually love, which is something I'm very interested in because to me, quite a few variations to get to a business that I love myself. And so we're really excited to have you be here. Thank you so much. And maybe you could just tell us how you started, how you decided to write that first book, how the story began. Well, thanks for having me here. It's on us and I'm really excited to test. My side hustle actually started before I wrote a book. I started back in 2011 with my first side hustle, which was, um, in, in a suit of space business. So as a freelance writer. So my story is probably very similar to anybody else out there at the time. I have been in my job for that three years. And by the time you've been in your job for that amount of time, you kind of know things inside out. And so I was looking for it next year, so I had a conversation with my boss. And she just basically, you know, just basically about career progression. Like what, what was next? What would, what could I expect to be doing in the next three years if I decided to stay with them? Because I would generally change my job every three years cause I'd get to that point where I'm kind of like, I want to do something different. Um, so I had a conversation with my boss. And her response was, is hilarious. But basically when I asked the question, she just said Lise, why would you want to do anything different? You make my life easier. Um, you're so organized. Everything runs smoothly. You're next. See it would be taking over my role and I not leaving any time soon. And instead, if you went into another area within the company, you're going to be basically starting from scratch. So bottom line, just keep doing what you're doing type scenario. And sorry, maybe getting harmed that from work that day just kind of going, okay, well what the heck am I going to do because I don't want to be in this situation again, and another job in three years time. So it made me just kind of start looking around and I, that's how I basically decided to freelance writing. I had no background in writing. I just want to book heavy it there. Anyone's sitting there thinking, well, Lise must've had some background in writing. I certainly didn't, but I wanted to try something and writing felt like an easier thing for me to learn versus graphic design skills or website design skills or anything like that. So that's what I did. So I did, I quit my job in 2012 and went full time as a freelance writer, and then that was okay for a little bit, but I really discovered that I had just replaced a job with another job. Like freelancing is still someone's requiring you to be there. There's still an element of having to be in front of your computer for certain amount of time. And so for me, I was really looking for true time freedom. And what I mean by that is actually being able to decide what my day looked like. And so I wanted to transition into something else. I had no idea what that looked like, but I loved writing. And so in 2014 is when I learned how to self publish and go through the entire process becomes slightly addicted. Um, as of today, I think I have 32 books published. On all the topics that Jonathan just talked about when, um, when he introduced me. So yeah, I, I really fell into writing books because I wanted to create a different business based off of what I had already had an I, and so by that time, yes, I had skills in writing. Um, but the thought of writing a book was super scary, right? Like, it's, it's still, it's a lot different than running a bloog post. Writing a book is, is quite different. And so, yeah. So that's really how I got started was it was, it's always been for me about making sure that my business is something that I enjoy doing. And if I don't enjoy doing it, what's the point? I might as well just be working for somebody else. So at any point in my business, if it's not easy, and if it's not fun, basically I'm not enjoying it, then I need to pivot. I need to do something different. So I'm, I'm creative, so I like to create. So that's why I have so many books, um, why I choose to do, um, courses, and I just like to do lots of different things. So I think that's the great thing about having an online business now, is that you get to decide what it looks like. Um, so yeah. So I feel like that was a really long answer to a Christian, Tennessee. Nope. That's such a great answer because it gives me lots of thinking about, one thing I'm interested in is the idea of quitting your job and then having transitioned freelancing career before you go to the passive income before you go to the next thing. So, okay. How did you get, like how did you get your fridge freelancing clients, and maybe you can tell me a little bit about what you think about if you wish you'd skip that freelancing part or if you think it is a critical part of the transition. Personally, I think it's, it's the base snake state, right? Like as someone, um, particularly if you've never run a business, if you've never had to make decisions in your day to day job that is financially impacts a business or you've never had to make a decision about whether you take on a new client or not. I think that is a good stepping stone. I call it a bridge business. We have, you do, and freelancing is one of the easiest things to get into because. Any skill can be tuned into a freelance business. Some people, they love freelancing and they, and they choose to stay there. But for other people like me, it makes sense to use it as that stepping stone. So yes, I, um, so when I started freelance writing, that was back in August, 2011 and I quit my job June, 2012. So I think that was 10 months later. So for me, I had my exit plan, or my exit goal was to replace half of my income. So at the time, um, my fiance and I had a conversation and he was working full time and he said, if you can just get your business to a point where you are covering your half of the bills, then you can quit your job. And then go, you know, earn more money. Because the reality is when you get to Pope point and you're freelancing side hustle, there's only so much that you can do in the hours that you have. And I knew that going full time would allow me to replace my full time income a lot faster, but I needed to get to that point. So I'm my first freelancing client was on oDesk, which is now Upwork, which I would not recommend now for, for writers in particular, freelance. Upwork is very saturated, um, with, and you just don't get paid what you're worth. So for me, freelance writing, um, finding that first gig was actually relatively easy back in 2011 right? Freelancing was still just taking off, so now it's better off. You're better off to actually figure out what you want to write about and the actually pitch to clients, to companies that are aligned with what you're wanting to do, whether it's a search engine optimization company who outsource content writing, or whether it's actually pitching a local business and writing for them. You have far more success doing that. And really at the end of the day, it's a numbers game. So then. Pitches or the more letters of introduction that you sent out, the higher the chance of you actually getting someone to hire you. So when I was transitioning, so when I was still working full time and doing my side hustle and my first month, I think I must have seen it applied to a hundred plus jobs to get to my two first gigs. And my whole goal from that point forward was to find recurring clients. Like I knew that I didn't want to just do one off stuff cause I was always going to have to be chasing down jobs. So for me, that's what I, I focused on. I focused on building recurring clients and I, um, to quit my job, I found, uh, three clients that would pay me a thousand dollars a month to write four to five blog posts for them. And that was relatively easy for me to do while I was still working full time. Cause I could bet that content, right? I could literally on a set day morning, sit down and write the blog price that I needed to refer to for a client, and I could get that done in a three week period. So it's, a lot of it is about time management. A lot of it is about being intentional, and a lot of it is about it being the right numbers, right? Like, getting as many, um, job applications, letters of interest, liters of instruction out there. Because if you do stuff like that, it all adds up in your favor, right? Like if you're in, if you're just consistently doing things like that, it eventually starts to click. And the old, that's all you need, really. You have to figure out what your income requirements are of what you need and then go from the, yeah. So that's what that really looked like for me was just being really intentional about applying for as many jobs as I could and then transitioning into recurring clients, like really looking for people who wanted a longterm relationship. When you moved out of that into books and started the business you're doing now. What came first? Was it the book that business was built on the book, or did you do the business and then you started the book? Books first? So for me, I, I think it has a cycle of two year, two year things where I was freelance writing for two years before I transitioned to being an author. And then I was a full time author for two years where I just, I literally just focused on producing content. Um, intentionally like for me, it's always been I need to set foundations. Like I really am focused on building businesses that have a solid foundation before, before transitioning into the next piece. Now nothing is perfect, right? Like, I make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. So I don't want anyone sitting there thinking, well, at least must've had it pretty smooth sailing. Stuff happens, right? I mean, I remember, I'm sorry. I was probably two years into writing a black. So for me, I was writing a book amongst Bernie and really good, consistent income. From Amazon and means shiny objects syndrome happens where I was like, wow, I'm going to start creating courses. This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to stop writing books and I'm going to create courses, and so all of 2016 that's what I did. I stopped writing and I went, I'm just gonna. I'm want to create courses, and I created, I don't know, 25 courses like launched them to crickets. I made $0 million from courses that year because I didn't, I hadn't understood what it looked like to actually go through that process. So sometimes stuff like that happens, right. And I had to reset it and go, okay, this is not working. What, what am I going to do now? Um, so yeah, so I did books first before I transitioned into, I mean, I do do courses now that I'm more of a group program kind of person. I love working with people still, like I love coaching by love coaching in a group situation. So with any course that I launched now, it's always alive program versus a Eva green course. Okay. So now that you've found your path with courses, which is awesome, and you found that they're live, do you find it different trying to do an evergreen course versus creating an event? Is it creating the event and saying, Hey guys, this is only happening next week. Do you think that is how you can start to get an audience. I dunno. Sometimes I feel like I'm slightly unique. I don't know. But for me, because I like to create, so at the beginning of every single month, I sit down and map out what I'm going to sound like. I'm intentional about this, and I have tried the evergreen process, but I just didn't like it because I'm like, why am I only focusing on one thing? I like to sell multiple things. So just like I liked creating. Multiple books. I love creating multiple courses, and sometimes those will be self study and sometimes they are a group program. So yeah. So for me, every month I sit down, I look at the assets that I have, and I intentionally sell them. So my model is a little bit different. I am actually selling something different either every single week or every three or four days, depending on whether I'm doing a flash sale or whether I'm launching one of my life programs. That's kind of what it looks like. And so every single week you can get into my community or you can start to work with me at different levels. And this is something that I like. I actually love it. So fun. I game easy and fun is what I'm all about. Um, so yeah, so I'm sitting down at the beginning of each month mapping out what that looks like. And so sometimes I'm creating something brand new from scratch, and sometimes I'm just literally delivering a product that I have already created. Sometimes that is literally doing a book launch or. Um, something along those lines. So yeah. So that's, that's what I prefer to do now in terms of getting people into my community. That's where my books are. My biggest asset. Right. I can give those away. They've been created for a long time. A lot of those books that I have now were created back in 2014, 2015 the content and still current, but they're an amazing asset for me now too. Utilize to get people onto my email list cause I at the end of the day, create to help people.I don't create stuff just for the sake of creating stuff. I'm actually creating stuff to help people. So quite often I will utilize my book side hustle blueprint. Well, my whip book, cultivate your hustle as a free gift, as a free incentive for someone to join my email list. Now, just through either of those two things, someone could actually. Run and implement what they learn. It's like I'm, I'm giving that content, but if they want to dive deeper, there is always a product that they have on the vacuums that also supports that with a group coaching element. So it's a, it's a great ecosystem. Um, yeah, I think, I think that, does that answer your question, Jonathan?That's really great because that gets me and he's doing all these amazing things you're doing, which is exciting. So it makes me wonder, well, what are you working on right now? What's coming next? What's coming down the pipeline? Have a big product. Gosh. So there's a lot of things going on, right? Like there's lots of stuff. So the thing that I'm most passionate about right now though, and is probably super relevant to anyone right now, is. For me, I started creating workbooks in journals last year. Um, I am a massive, like, physical, physical workbooks, physical journals, and I'm launching a planner, um, this year as well. So I just, I love doing this type of creative piece, but as a physical product. So I've done, um a workshop on how to do all of this using a program called Canva. Now, Camba is free, and I'm a huge fan of Camba. Um, and so I knew, I'm, like I said, I'm a creative person. I actually have, I got it hanging out here. I do. Um, so this is my physical, physical workbook called memory. We're talking about cultivate your hustle before, um, so this is, yeah, this is what it looks like inside. Um, so, and this is what I teach. I teach people how to create all of that. Cause I did this all myself. Um, and that's what I, what I'm doing. And so yeah, it's called create with Canberra. It's a workshop that I've run. I'm going to be doing a live, I'm actually in the middle of a live program right now and teaching people how to take that learning and then actually create a business around it because if you can deliver what books, journals, and planners to your audience on an ongoing basis. And you get to use it as a list building piece as well. Why wouldn't you like it's, yeah. So if you're a creative, and I know I'm using my hands a lot because I'm, I love this process so much, um, if you love that type of thing. Yeah. So. It is like my jam right now.  Okay. That's interesting cause um, I'm really interested in journals. I know people are always talking about low content books or how to make a book and that the journal, all different types of journals. Some of them are just blank lined pages is one question at the top. I can see yours has a lot more going on, which is cool. If this follows a structure. So I'm interested in is what is about the process of printing it? Do you like it? Are you doing batch print things or special printers, or do you do print on demand with those books? Just like with all the other books? Yeah, so I teach you all like the print on demand model there. I mean, it just depends, right? Like at the end of the day, I always start with print on demand and then you transition into doing something that's a little bit more high end. So if you want spiral bound or anything like that, then you're definitely having to go outside the print on demand space. Um, you can get spiral-bound down, but it's just, it doesn't look very good for print on demand. So yeah. So I teach people print on demand first, make some money, then look at going and doing bulk buying, and then selling through Amazon, through their reseller, through there where you kind of do Amazon advantage now. But, um, through other programs. The great thing is, is at IngramSpark also have some really amazing high end options as M had covered that with a cloth cover. They are beautiful. And that's my teams do for my journals because I personally prefer a journal that has had cover. Um, now planners. The same. So that's what I tend to go to for print on demand. I'll do a paperback version as well with the, with the perfect binding, which is also print on demand. But then I'll do like at the luxury luxury version with the cloth binding from Ingram's box. So yeah. Print on demand first. That's what I always want people to be able to make money first. Then when you're ready, you can do more of those things. You can do spiral binding, you can do the different binding pieces, but that requires you to do like minimum orders, right? So you're having to front up the money first. So if you're in a position to do that, of course you can do that. But I like to teach people just like I did with side hustle blueprint. Stepping stones so that you build your foundations first so that you're not putting up money that you might not necessarily have right now, that you can earn money and then reinvest, see assets, what that looks like. Do you, um, as you go through this process, as you started launching all of these more and more journals, are you, is it your existing audience that's buying the journals or a new people finding you directly through the journals? Right. So when you've got, when you start to get an email list, it's a lot easier to launch products. So just like I intentionally sit down and map out what a month looks like to launch. Any of my products, my, my work books and journals and planners fit into that mold. So what I might do is offer a bonus with a physical product where I'm just like, if you grab the workbook, you get access to the course that goes along with it. Cause with, particularly with a workbook, it's very, and teams know, like if you've got a workbook, you can create a course off the back end of that. And then with a journal though, you could do something very similar, particularly if you choose to include prompts. Like if, if you're, um, doing like a mindset journal or anything like that where you would actually have journaling prompts. You could also offer some type of audio program on the back end. Um, little meditations, anything like that. So there's always opportunity to make more money, um, and do things like that. So, yeah. So I launched my MLS sparring also bringing people into my list every single day too. So I'm just constantly growing, growing, growing, because at the end of the day, it's about having customers, it's about soothing people. But if you're running an online business, there's nothing wrong from you making money. Right? I want everybody to know that like there is nothing wrong with making money. Just because your business is online doesn't mean that you have to give everything away or that you have to put everything at a low price point. You can make money. Um, so yeah, so I'm just always wanting to get in front of new people all the time so they can  continue to help more people. And get more customers, help people first, sell to them second. That's, that's my philosophy. Help first, sell second. Okay. You mentioned something that I thought was really interesting about how sometimes people, especially in the starting out prices themselves way too low. And I've seen that. Well, you know, when people start freelance writing, they're like, what should I charge a fraction of a penny per word? Or, and then, uh, doing massive jobs and realizing that they're making less than minimum wage. And the same thing when they put out their books, they're like, Oh, I wish I could charge less than 99 cents. How can I make it cheaper because my stuff isn't worth anything. Is that the most common mistake people make when they're starting out as a ride or starting new side hustle, or is there a more common mistake that you see that a lot of people make when they're starting out?  Yeah, so I think that, I think the mistake that people make is aligning themselves with the sales of product that they're doing. When I say aligning, that's not the right word. I can't think of it. But it's not, your value is not attached to your product or service. So it's not about charging what you're worth, it's charging what your product or service is worth. And that's where I see people making the problem. The biggest mistake is because then they're associated with that and then it becomes a, an immediate drapes. Um, lay it down. They feel like they're a complete, complete failure when it's not at the end of the day. For me, whenever I'm pricing a product, service, whatever that is, my. Question is, do I feel like this price point aligns with the value of the product or service I'm providing? And if it doesn't, then I need to add more value, right? Like if I'm charging a price point and I don't feel confident in it, then I need to provide more value because at the end of the day, it's about the value and that's what your customer is looking at is the price it's been offered, am I getting, do I feel like I'm getting value for it? So that's my philosophy. So sometimes when you're just starting out, you might not feel as confident. That's okay. But you just need to think about it from a viewpoint of this is a product or service. It's nothing related to do with me, right? It's, I'm not charging what I'm worth and charging what the product or service is worth. And I, I understand it because when you're an employee, you're getting charged what you're worth. Like you're, you're getting paid what you're worth. Like that's how the employee system works. So when you transition into freelancing or coaching or anything like that you have to flip and garlic. Hey, this is nothing to do with how much I'm worth. It's, I'm not now any an Allie, right? It is now about how the value proposition of my product just say this. Does that make scenes? Absolutely. One thing I learned when I first started working for myself was that most people that first year freelancing making exactly the same as they did their last year in a job. Because they have this idea of what they're worth. They go, okay, I made $30,000 last year. That's what I'm worth. So that's what I should make this year. And I definitely went through that my first year. If I hit my number for the month on the first day, I go, Oh, I've got 29 days off cause I've already hit my number for the month. And so my first year of business was exactly the same as my previous job until someone told me that I go. Oh, I my own limitation. I'm the one that's holding myself back and I began to see the possibility. So let's maybe to now we're talking about the beginning of the journey, which is where most of the people watching today are stuck, or where they are right now. And how should people start their journey? They're at a job right now. They're thinking about, especially right now with all the things going on, there's a lot of people thinking about the economy is going to shrink. They're going to lose their job. They have to start thinking with that side hustle. Now, what's the best place to start? How should someone begin their journey? Yeah, so in my book side hustle blueprint, I take people through an exercise at the very beginning of the book, which is to write down every skill that you do and your job first. Like write down everything you do. Now, when I say skill, I mean actually break. I want you to break down your job. Like what are you doing day to day? Are you creating Excel spreadsheets? Are you writing reports? I you designing websites, like what is, what are the, the little nuances, the little things that you do every day that make up your job? Because everyone does multiple things. I don't just go to work and do one thing. They didn't tend to do multiple things. So start there, right? Write that list. Then also write a list of all of the things you enjoy doing and that you probably would do for free. So what are your hobbies? Like what, what? What are those things look like? Then also write down those things that people ask you for advice on. What do they come to for you for? Like for me, for example, I'm like the tick go-to person in my family. So everybody, if there is a computer issue, I'm getting called, right? Like that is something that someone will call me about. So that would be a skill that I could actually do. And then once you've got that list, really, you just have to sit down and go, what could I easily do right now? What do I know that I don't need any additional training on? I don't need to set up a website to do cause you don't need a website to get started. What is something that I could easily do in like five hours a week? So normally when I'm studying or recommending someone starts a side hustle, I just go, you know what? Just start out at five hours a week. Keep it low and easy. Like so it's not impacting, um, your self right now. Cause it can be, it's a lot to juggle, particularly if you've got family and you've got kids and all those sorts of things. Five hours is relatively achievable because really you could split it into 60 minutes a day and then your two hours on the weekend or something like that. So that's, that's what I generally say to do. And then go and look at, um, the best website website that I can recommend, particularly if you're going, the freelance writing route is pro blogger.com and the job board it is fantastic. People understand the value of what you're providing. So you will not find jobs on there for $5, four or 500 blog posts, for example. Um, so part, yeah, pergola.com is, um, one of the best places to go if you ongoing freelance writing, um, there is another one could content lee.com and that is for, for freelances. It's. An awesome place to set up your own sort of online portfolio. Um, so those would be the two sort of places that I would start. problogger.com multiple jobs. It's not just freelance writing and then just start applying. It really like for me, I had no idea what I was doing. I just started applying for jobs and I was just like, okay, well I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna try. Um, and particularly if it's a skill that you're already doing, right? Like I wasn't freelance writing, but I was writing in my job, right? Like I was, I was writing emails, I was writing reports. So I knew that I knew how to write and construct a document. I just had no idea what a blog posts really look like. Um, so if you're, if you ask studying and you're wanting to do something a little bit different to what 
 you're doing right now, my biggest tip, particularly for going down the freelance writing route is to go and have a look at some existing websites. Um, pick a topic that you're really passionate about and then go and look at some blog posts and rewrite it. Rewrite the bloog posts that you see, so you get an understanding of how a blog post is constructed, um, how you would right it. Find your voice. Is really at the end of the day what that looks like. If that's how I started. I just rewrote a whole bunch of blog posts to get an understanding of what, like what this writing thing was. Cause blog  posts are much more conversational than what I was doing in my day job, right? Like I had to be really professional. And you're super dry, like their content is super dry when you're working in a job in a corporate job, but when you're writing a blog post, that tends to be more conversational. So yeah, whatever you can do to figure out how to get your first couple of dogs. It's easier if you just kind of taste it out for yourself. Right? And your first blog post might take you an hour and a half to rise. And so the more that you do something, the faster you will become. Um, so yeah, so, and if you're an Excel spreadsheet, um, expert people will pay you to create Excel spreadsheets. Oh, you can teach others how to create Excel spreadsheets. Where I live, there's lots of different options, so just start at the end of the day you just have to start and figure things out. I figured things out as I weaned, I have no idea what I was doing. No idea, but I'm someone that prefers to learn as I do. So I had to do as I learn, learn as I do. I don't know which way that goes, but I just was like, I'll figure it out as I go. Right. Because at the end of the day, you're not risking anything in a situation where you've still got your job. You've still got at least some type of income coming in. Why not? Take some risks in your business now before you leave your job or before, um, you know, whatever happens, happens. At least now you've got an idea of what you're going to do. Oh, that's so amazing. It's so great to show people where they can start all the way to find it. The low socio is found, at least that's been amazing. I've learned a lot. You can be a lot of good ideas that are swirling my head right now. I know that everyone else is having a really good time. They've learned a lot. So thank you so much for spending this time with us. I really, really appreciate it. I know your time is very valuable. So. We want to say massively. Thank you for participating. Thank you so much for being here today. Oh, you're so welcome. Was so happy to do it. Thank you so much roaster today's episode. I hope you enjoyed what Lise had to say as much as I did. You can find out more from her at leastcartwright.com that's L, I, S E, C A R T W R I G H T.com and of course, If I said that too fast, don't worry. The link is in the show notes. The link is below the video and in the description you can find it wherever you need it at least was amazing. We appreciate having this episode. I hope you guys are enjoying this authorship series as much as I am. If you enjoy learning about authorship and you want more interviews added to this feed, please just hit a thumbs up. Right below this video. Thank you for listening to this week's episode of serve know master. Make sure you subscribe so you never miss another episode. We'll be back next Tuesday with more tips and tactics on how to escape that rat race. Head over to servenomaster.com forward slash podcast now for your chance to win a free copy of Jonathan's bestseller serve no master. All you have to do is leave a five star review of this podcast. See you Tuesday.Ready to turn your book into a bestseller? Find out what other authors don't want you to know at servicemaster.com/secrets.