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Charlie Kirk's Legacy: A Nation at a Crossroads

• Elsa Kurt

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Speaker 1:

Well, hello everyone. As you can see, we are in a very as Clay just said it in a very somber mood. It is Wednesday, 4.54 pm and we've been watching the news. Clay was actually the first one to let me know what had happened. Charlie Kirk was shot at a college campus event, Utah Valley, correct?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Utah Valley University.

Speaker 1:

Thank you. And he has passed away and I'm trying to keep it together. I did not think I would be a person to cry over someone I do not know, but Charlie Kirk was a very, very special human being and, more importantly to what he represented to conservatives and to civil, intelligent discourse, he was a husband and a father to tiny children. This is his beautiful family and now they are looking at life without him all because a deranged, lunatic Thought that would be a good idea to do that. I'm going to implore you guys, if you listen, you do what you want to do. I'm going to recommend that you do not watch the video which is there's multiple ones. Now, I was not prepared for that. It is. It'll stay with you. Let's just leave it at that. It'll stay with you.

Speaker 1:

It is very graphic and, like I told Clay watching that, I could not imagine short of a miracle if he could survive that. Imagine short of a miracle if he could survive that. And I kept hoping and I'm sure, like you, clay kept hitting that refresh button every two seconds and hoping for a miracle. And you know the Internet, as we usually like to joke and no joke, this time the Internet internets and does what it does, and there were just, you know, constant conflicting reports and, uh, we actually are recording later than we actually normally do on a wednesday because we wanted to wait for facts. Um, yeah, I don't know about you. Know, you, clay, I it's like one of those times where I just feel like hanging it all up and just being done with all of this stuff, and I know that's not the answer.

Speaker 2:

But yeah, this is a tough one, like Elsa said, so it came across my newsfeed. I alerted her because I knew we had the recording coming up. I knew that would impact on what we were going to talk about. And listen, folks, you're not going to get a full hour tonight, don't?

Speaker 1:

feel like it yeah.

Speaker 2:

Don't feel like it, but it's, you know, not something to be ignored, but we're not going to go through and do a full up show, but we are going to talk about this incident as well as the attack on the Charlotte Metro. But, charlie Kirk, when it happened, I let Elsa know and you know we went through what we normally go through, which is wait. That's why I asked, you know, or I recommended to Elsa that we push our recording 30 minutes, especially as the film footage that Elsa mentioned became more public. And if you see that, and if you know anything and unfortunately I probably know too much when you see that I told Elsa if, if that film footage was real because nowadays we don't know if it's AI or if it's real, but if that was real film footage, we would know within 30 minutes, um, if he was going to survive or not. And, uh, I think our right right at our normal recording time was when the first reports came through that he had passed Um and understand that the man who was arrested initially has been, uh, released. Uh, they have determined that he was not the shooter, which the goal is to find out who the shooter is.

Speaker 2:

The only things that we know, folks, is that this was, I think, the first stop on a new tour for him or it was very early in a new tour for him. I think it was the America Back on Track Tour is what he was calling it. We do know that he was being asked. He was on his second question and, if you've all seen Charlie Kirk, it was his normal setup. It was the pop-up, the white pop-up, him behind a table, kids all over the place and he was on his second question and the question. My understanding from some of the reporting was it was on um, the subject was it had to do with transgender people. Um, and that's when Charlie Kirk was shot.

Speaker 2:

Um, again, if you haven't seen the footage, you guys are going to be watching this, you know, 24 hours later, but, um, if you haven't seen the footage, don't um, you have. I hope that somehow you can erase that out of your brain. And you know, the striking part of all this one is that we still don't know who did it at this juncture, and two, that this is where we are now. Um, you know, two assassination attempts on president Trump, with the trial of the second one, uh, beginning, as you know, yesterday. Um, and then, you know, now we've got Charlie Kirk and, uh, so the solution for certain people, when they disagree politically with your views, is to kill you.

Speaker 2:

And this is folks. This is not where any of us need to be or should be, and this is, you know, I got to be honest. The patience that half of this country shows when incidents like this happen is waning, and that's a very frightening prospect. There's been a lot of restraint, a lot of patience, a lot of trying to understand happening on the conservative side of the aisle, and my fear is that that patience is, if it's not gone already, it's really, really close, and that's when things, will you know, will get bad. This should not be politicized. Someone will, all you know, turn this into an argument about gun control. Someone will turn this into an argument. You'll see people I'm sure they're already out there on the internet saying had it coming? What did you expect? Those types of comments very much in the same way that they responded to President Trump being shot. Same reaction. There was a reaction just unbelievable from MSNBC to try to downplay this, saying, oh, it could have been somebody shooting off their gun in celebration. We don't know what happened. We know what happened.

Speaker 1:

America knows exactly what happened, everybody know what happened.

Speaker 2:

America knows, we know exactly what happened. Everybody knows what happened.

Speaker 2:

Stop being an asshole, everybody knows Like I'm starting to get upset, but this is like that's what this is. We have downplayed these events so many times and it emboldens people to execute them and it's shameful. And the media is complicit MSNBC folks. We're going to talk today about the FCC going after mainstream media for for exactly things like this and taking away their license. Yes, and I didn't know really how I felt about that, but when you have incidences like that and that's the reporting, the offhand comments that you make, your license should be pulled. That's despicable.

Speaker 1:

It's unbelievable to me Exactly Like you said, in the aftermath of this, within minutes. You know they're essentially blaming Charlie Kirk, calling him a right wing extremist and inciting. You know, blaming him. And if you've ever watched Charlie Kirk and clearly they have not, because there's no possible way anyone could say such a thing if you've actually watched him. He promotes, he promoted, he promoted discourse, conversation, intellectual communication between people instead of this kind of nonsense. And we have surpassed the point where you can have these kind of conversations with these people.

Speaker 1:

Because this is where we're at and I have said this for years now and I will shout it from the rooftops I blame the media, I blame the mainstream media all day long. And I agree with you, clay, you know the FCC conversation there, you know, I kind of have those same mixed feelings, because when you talk about the government getting involved in certain aspects, especially when it comes to free speech, gets a little scary, gets a little cringy. But this is, you know, I don't know what else to do at this point. They won't self-regulate, they won't tone down the rhetoric, they won't be human beings. These are. This is evil, pure evilyear-old Ukrainian girl getting onto this train, and I'm sure you've all seen that video as well many times over now. It is no less devastating and infuriating and horrifying as many times as you watch it.

Speaker 1:

And again it's another video. I pray for your heart that you have not watched the unedited version of it. I unfortunately again have. You know I did this stupid thing Apparently I don't remember doing it, but enabling autoplay for videos on social media and I actually put out a post that I recommended that people take their. Turn that off. If you can figure out how to turn it off, turn it off, because you're going to see things that you may not be prepared to see. Or heaven help if your children are sitting there with you and they see this, and yeah, so if you can do that, you probably should do that, if you think you can stomach it. I mean, you know, again, I'm not going to tell you what to do, I'm just I'm trying to protect your heart and your mind. I had no intentions of watching that unedited video and unfortunately I did. I didn't know that that was going to keep going and it did and it is, and everything about it is horrific, from the act to that poor, beautiful girl's shocked face which they show. You know, somebody screen, grabbed it and, you know, plastered all across social media. And then, of course, you have the apathy of the bystanders that were, you know, on this train and I will give the credit enough to say that in the initial first moments I don't think anybody understood what happened. I honestly don't think that anybody knew it was so fast and so shocking. I don't think any of them knew what happened. But then you have the aftermath of this poor girl.

Speaker 1:

We are in a state in our society. You know, as you were saying, clay, that this is a big turning point right now, and I think this has unleashed something in conservative America that the left is not ready for. You are not ready for what will come now from this. And you know, if Charlie Kirk is the catalyst, if Irina is the catalyst, I don't think it's any one thing, it's just maybe, like you said, you know, the match just lighting this fire that they're not going to be able to put out.

Speaker 1:

And you know, and I'm certainly I will never be the one to advocate and promote violence for violence. But I do know that this is one shove too far. It's too far. One shove too far. It's too far when you cannot go anywhere as a white well, male or female if you can't be white in America right now without being in fear for your life and yeah, that's a big fat no, I'll tell you, I carry. I have for a long time. I will be changing the way that I carry and I can't believe this is a conversation in real life, right now that you know I'm sitting here telling people to recommend that you protect yourself in any way that you can, because this is, you know, in some ways this is war that's being declared and I don't really want to feed into it and I don't want to be the one to say let's, you know, let's go to war here with the other half of our country. But major things have to happen right now and I don't know what they are.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, the reaction from the politicians in the aftermath of this is too little, too late. I've seen Gavin Newsom. I've seen Kamala Harris. I've seen members of Congress, you know, decrying this. You know political violence has no you know no place in our civilized society. Well, they didn't do anything to stop this when it started a few years ago, in the riots in the aftermath of George Floyd. In fact, they encouraged it. People like Maxine Waters encourage violence and you can't turn around now and say no, thank you, or you know, we don't support this. It's too late for that, george Soros. George Soros should be in jail right now. Everybody knows it, there's no question about it. He's been feeding this financially. He's been feeding political violence across the United States for years, and everyone knows it. The riots in the cities, as we know, you know, stacked piles of bricks delivered right, shields delivered right, all of these things, these weren't paid for by, you know, the 32 year old living in his mom's basement with no job, uh, who's a member of Antifa. This was. There's money behind this, and they and you can track all of that and I, and it all leads to the same people, the same person. Um, but, but it's too little, too late for that.

Speaker 2:

I don't want to hear. Uh, I don't want to hear one. I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear one. I don't want to hear from Kamala Harris at all at all, but I don't want to hear from Gavin Newsom. I don't want to hear from anybody in Congress, on either side of the aisle, decrying political violence, when they've done nothing to prevent this. They've done nothing to stop this.

Speaker 2:

This has been building for years now, and Congress, our lawmakers, our elected officials from both parties have sat on their thumbs when it comes to political violence. In fact, most cases, they've incited it, they've encouraged it or at least they've been complicit in looking the other direction, the other direction. So the rest of us are tired of it, okay, and I and I they should be ashamed collectively, as a whole, as our governing body, for their lack of effort in resolving any of this. It's shameful. It is shameful from the national level down to the local level, because that includes governors, it includes mayors and major metropolitan areas. They are complicit in this because they have either done nothing or they have encouraged this type of behavior. So I'm tired of it. A lot of America is, and I'm not trying to incite violence.

Speaker 2:

But it's the cat's out of the bag, folks. You know you've got to. Somebody's got to put a hard stop on this right now, or the things that Elsa is talking about are going to come to fruition and nobody wants that. Nobody does out loud when you have, you know, city representatives I've heard say the gangs are telling the military not to come to Chicago or it's going to be a fight like that is unacceptable. That, the fact that that is being said about the city of Chicago and nothing is being done by the city of Chicago to stop this, except to block the federal troops from coming in, allowing the gangs to do what they please, instead of facilitating the dismantling of the gangs. Right, the federal government now is going after the cartels. Good Right, we're OK with that. Yes, but what we're not doing is preventing. You know Jasmine Crockett, who came out and said the other day the police aren't there to prevent crimes, they're there to solve crimes.

Speaker 1:

No, she's an absolute moron.

Speaker 2:

She's the dumbest person in office period, but. But crime prevention prevents Irina from being murdered on a train, right? It stops that. When you lambast people like Daniel Penny for protecting people, then you get five people sitting on a train doing nothing Literally nothing, because we've bred a society that is. I'm not going to get involved, it's not my problem, I'm staying away from that. Yeah, people are at risk, averse for their own safety, they're not willing to step in and protect another human being. And it's shameful because it's all led by our political leadership of both parties, at every single level.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

There are some exceptions out there, don't get me wrong. There is some great state-level leadership, there's some great federal level leadership, but decades upon decades, upon decades of both parties sitting there and doing nothing and letting it trickle down this trail. To now we've got a full bonfire. All we need is the match, and I hope that this Charlie Kirk incident is not the match, but it very well may be.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I suspect the murder of Irina Zerutska was probably the drawing of the match out of the matchbook. And now this with Charlie was the lighting of it. And now it's a question of is it, you know, is that match going to get blown out or is it going to get flicked and ignited? I don't know. You know, and of course it's, it's these aren't just two isolated incidents. This is, you know, obviously years.

Speaker 1:

But more specifically, over the past several months, within the past year, you know, it has been high profile, horrific, shocking, incident after incident. The first one that's coming to mind, well, of course, coming to mind, well, of course, daniel penny. Um, then you have austin metcalf, who they still refuse to release any kind of video, and again, it's not that I want to see it, it's the fact that they're, they're high it, um, and again, why? Because it's black on white crime and they want to diffuse that and pretend like it's something else. And of course we have this, and now we have Charlie, and there was a professor, female college professor, who was just murdered in a park, Retired yeah, yes, retired, thank you.

Speaker 1:

Murdered in a park. We're talking about horrific, violent crime, and those are just the isolated high profile ones. Then you have all of the citywide crime, rampant crime, and a big part of that. Again, of course, number one in my mind, or at least tied with them. So number one, we have the mainstream media and number two, which is probably side by side with them, is these liberal judges who you know, this piece of garbage that killed Irina, and, yes, I keep saying her name and I'm not going to say the murderer's name, because he's a piece of shit and he doesn't even deserve to be named.

Speaker 1:

I don't care about his mental health, by the way, I don't care. He was a is a cause. He's still alive. He has been let out 14 times. He clearly stating the obvious. Obviously he has mental health issues which you know. The system just ignored and said whatever, I'm sure it'll be fine. And here we are, here we are, and I believe, here we are, and I believe, pam Bondi, they've, they're going for a federal death penalty, they're going for the death penalty. So, good, good, I really. I just, you know, do like to go the least combative route, like let's talk about this. Let's work it out together, let's figure it out. You have taken us and you have made us feel so uncaring about these people that you think are the victims instead of the actual victims. So now, so now we've hit that point and, like I said early on, charlie Kirk man, he will be the martyr for this, because he is the one you're going to be looking to.

Speaker 2:

The conservative crowd is going to be looking to, as you know, this young man, 31 years old, beautiful, young, family, christian, just a good man like a good man, self-educated, did not have an advanced degree of any kind, right, you know, he's a Chicago area kid, taught himself, you know, studied the Bible, but studied our history, studied our politics. Very, very well informed, was brilliant. I would bet money that he had an eidetic memory. I had to. I'm fairly confident with his ability to recall such deep information, specific facts, to recall such deep information, specific facts, and he was very gifted. But he was also, you know, very kind in that he would have a grown-up conversation without getting animated.

Speaker 2:

He, you know, invited all of these people. He knew he was at risk. He had a security team. He knew there was a risk every time he went on these things and yet he did it because he loved this country and he wanted to see this country get better and he wanted to have open discourse and can't agree to disagree and their only solution is violence. Then you have days like today, and this is unfortunately where we are right now and it's shameful and it's scary, truthfully.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and let me tell you to anyone on the left, using the and I've seen it already a few times, actually, before Charlie Kirk was murdered, the whole, oh, the right is going to use this, meaning the case of Irina Zarutska. You know they're going to use this as as a weapon or as a tool to enact their this and that, and they're saying the same thing about charlie kirk's passing, that it's going to be used as a blah blah. You know, let's pause for a minute and talk about all of the things that you you scumbag, pieces of garbage have done in the name of vigilantism or justice, you know, social justice and all of those things. You burned down cities, you put addicts, pieces of garbage, felons, up on pedestals and made gold statues of them, and did all of these things for for criminals, for horrible human beings, and you ignored people like Irina and barely even commented on her. Only to. You know, I mean, I'm going to put them up now and I have them and I just, I just simply don't even feel like it.

Speaker 1:

I have a whole bunch of snippets of these posts, headlines from the mainstream media, from Axios, which is a joke in itself CNN and all of them, and just you know framing this brutal murder in such absurd terms, and it's you know this is their tactic that they do over and over again. They downplay the atrocity and you know they either victim blame or they completely disregard the victim and talk about you know how society, this and that. So everybody is just so sick and tired of them. And I am ready for, I am ready and fully encouraging strong, swift action from our government on this, on the media, especially them. I want these scumbags shut down and I don't want free speech shut down.

Speaker 1:

I want these media organ. I don't care you're going to pop up somewhere else anyhow, but there needs to be accountability for the lies that they tell, the violence that they incite, the mental illness that they encourage. You know, with their rhetoric and their lies, the freaking lies that they tell, lies that they tell and villainizing people who are truly good humans like Charlie Kirk. And it is that rhetoric, it is that nonstop barrage of BS that is the dog whistle for these fringe lunatics to act, and it's it's. Enough is enough. I mean, enough is enough, we're done.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, folks, this is, um, I think, uh, on behalf of both of us, I think. I think we're calling it. I think 30 minutes is plenty to talk about this. You guys, we will all know more, uh, when this airs. I know that the the Charlie Kirk shooter is still on the loose. I know that you're going to see and hear a lot of things in the next 24 hours. You're going to see conspiracy theories from both sides. You're going to see evidence, self-proclaimed. You're going to see evidence, uh, you know, self-proclaimed. You're going to see internet detectiving going on. You're going to see a lot of things come up, um, conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1:

You'll see the whole thing you're going to say this.

Speaker 2:

You know you're going to see that this is conservatives. You know, sacrifice charlie for their gain. You're going to see that. You know um, liberals. You know blah blah. It's going to come from both sides. It's going to come from everywhere. You're going to see that. You know liberals. You know, blah blah. It's going to come from both sides. It's going to come from everywhere. You're going to see every theory in the world and I would tell all of you to, just right now, I think what we all need to do is breathe, because we are standing there with a lit matchstick and that's where we're at right now. So don't take the bait is all I'm telling you. That's my advice to everyone is don't take the bait. Love on your family, be happy that you have them and you know, band together and let's pray for brighter days coming in the future. But something's got to change and I'm not even going to, I'm not even going to sign off. I'm just not even going to do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'm with you, clay. You know it's funny. I've been multiple times over the past few days. I keep seeing a couple of Bible verses and for my Christian family out there, you know exactly how this happens that you know. For some reason, you don't know what it is. You keep seeing the same ones over and over again and you kind of just store it away in your mind. And the two that have been on repeat for me lately have been guard your heart and minds in Christ Jesus, and the other is to capture every thought in Christ, and I think I needed to store those words away for myself as I emotionally navigate all of this. I am extremely upset.

Speaker 2:

We are all.

Speaker 1:

We are all extremely upset. So I agree with Clay this is a good time to call it for the day, because I will probably I'm getting close to saying a lot of things that I will probably regret saying. So I echo Clay's sentiment there Hold your family close and try and keep calm, keep prayerful. If you are the praying kind and speak good to each other, all right, and we will talk again next week, and I pray that we will have better things to say to you next week. There is so much good in the world. There really is. It doesn't feel like it in this moment when you hear this barrage of all of the ugliness and the unfairness of it all, but there is so much good out in the world and if you, you know this saying if you can't find the good, be the good in the world, and I think that's all we got. So we'll see you guys next week.

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