J2cast: Prepping

J2cast: Prepping online opsec Vol 2 Ep4

April 18, 2020 Jeff Allender Season 2 Episode 4
J2cast: Prepping
J2cast: Prepping online opsec Vol 2 Ep4
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J2cast: Prepping
J2cast: Prepping online opsec Vol 2 Ep4
Apr 18, 2020 Season 2 Episode 4
Jeff Allender

Jeff and Jesse discuss online opsec 

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Jeff and Jesse discuss online opsec 

spk_0:   0:04
Hello. Welcome back to Episode four. Volume two of the J to cast Prepping Podcast as usual. I'm Jeff joined here with Jessie. Jessie, how are you doing today?

spk_1:   0:16
Fine. Enough to fit their an N 95 mask.

spk_0:   0:21
No. Good. That may get you banned from some places, though.

spk_1:   0:24
Yeah. Call the CDC on me.

spk_0:   0:28
Well, I'm going to start off the day we got. We're gonna be talking about opsec statistically upset online, but I want to Ah,

spk_1:   0:36
clarification for those that don't know operational security. Yeah,

spk_0:   0:39
well, even that's part of it. Ah, all right. If there's anyone out there that you're talking to and they're they're raising a fit about P, p e and other supplies getting to hospitals, personal protective equipment. All right, um, if they're out there saying all this, why don't we have it? Where is it? Why is the government you know, Trump should have done this earlier to the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? I happened as I do most mornings when I'm getting around to have NPR on in the background. First, I will. First thing I do, I get up and have my Alexa device giving my news uh, dates.

spk_1:   1:31
Right. The news brief. Is it?

spk_0:   1:34
And, uh, I haven't do Fox, BBC, NPR and CNN, right. So anyhow, I go there, I do all that pretty pretty good matter. And, uh uh, Then I turn on NPR. Why do some other stuff? Because I got to get my daily dose of, uh, liberal propaganda, which I hate to say that it sounds like a cop out. Right? But it's true. It is. It's it's gotten worse. It will amazes me because they're government funded, right? And they're so slanted at the same time. Absolutely. Hellboy. It amazes me.

spk_1:   2:13
It is interesting, but sometimes I like to listen to NPR to find somebody more monotone than me. So anyways, I

spk_0:   2:20
want you to today and they've brought in a guest and his name. Waas. Make sure I get this right. Greg. Bureau l Okay. Former strategic National stockpile director. He was until January this year, okay? He ran the thing he had for years, and, uh, they brought in another person who was obviously the other side of the spectrum from the

spk_1:   2:48
president. All right. Where the talk on the same subject matter. Yeah, Yeah, but were they as well versed in the subject matter as Ah, well,

spk_0:   2:58
you guessed it came to fruition that No, they weren't. Okay,

spk_1:   3:03
okay. I will let you continue without interruption that,

spk_0:   3:05
uh, the the host. And I'm sorry. I've gotta change one thing here real quick. I'm going to, uh, talk as I do this. I have developed a delay in my headphones, and it's driving me nuts, so I'm going to

spk_1:   3:24
it all. Sounds good to me.

spk_0:   3:25
All right, we're back. Now, Uh, I switched that out because the delay I was starting to feel like I had used, uh, some sort of loose Ishan that I've typed. I'm assuming I've never used a solution.

spk_1:   3:36
Sure. You know what? It's a family show, Jeff.

spk_0:   3:39
Uh, anyways, they had him on there in the host. She says they play this clip of Ah, the president saying the shelves are empty. Okay, we went to We went to, you know, use the national stockpile. There was nothing there. Okay? And this gentleman, Mr Burrell, had said something about there keeping up certain things in all this. And she says, Well, you were the director until January. She says when you left were the shelves empty. Now, this guy has spent the entire show being very middle of the road. Okay, so he kind of went well. Him and the guests kind of jumped on it, right? You know, in all this and he Finally, he says they get back to Mr Bureau, and he says something to that. I don't wantto make anyone think this is a quote, but this is the area he's going to. He said we were well stocked on everything except pandemic supplies. Okay. And the, you know, I wish I could have seen a video feed of it. I'm sure the people there Well, I sort of lit up. And they said So why is that? And he says, Well, in 2009 when h one n one was doing its thing and we declared it a pandemic, we sent all of our pandemic stuff out. PeopIe medicines like anti virals.

spk_1:   5:21
Think h one n one actually killed 60,000 people.

spk_0:   5:24
Settle that out because we did. We never got funding to replace it. Oh,

spk_1:   5:31
So you're saying that wasn't this administration's issue?

spk_0:   5:35
I'm saying that for 10 years 10.5 go to 11 if you want to, Depending on your political actually have to crying the things that everyone right now is going. Why aren't we getting it? Haven't been there because Washington call it Congress called the president, called whatever you want to never pushed for the funding to replace what was used in 2000 and nine.

spk_1:   6:05
Wow, Which a lot of that. No, Some of that p p e stuff may have been a little out of date by now. Had been on the show.

spk_0:   6:14
Well, uh, I'm not sure, but I pp do do she'll face shields, masks age out

spk_1:   6:21
a cz long as they kept in a climate controlled environment. If

spk_0:   6:25
they're kept sterile, we wrapped all that. I don't know, right. That'd be a good question

spk_1:   6:28
for well, uh, you know, the, um I I guess Thea Ah, no. Trying to think of the word for it, but as far as, ah, consumable equipment. Ah, rather, rather than, um, organic goods, you probably should have a near infinite shelf life.

spk_0:   6:55
Well, this just brings me the point of if you're not into taking care of your own. Perhaps if you think the government has all this stuff when worse comes to worse, we can depend on things like a strategic stockpile. We could depend on things coming around as they need to. This should prove to you it doesn't matter your political bent, right? You can't trust that the government's going to be there for you.

spk_1:   7:27
It well and just and you shouldn't.

spk_0:   7:31
But if you if you are the kind of person that says we need safety nets, we need this, we need that. This is a classic example where both parties have been in charge. Neither one of a major. This stuff was replaced,

spk_1:   7:48
right? And But now it's time for the blame game.

spk_0:   7:52
Now I'm going to say when I say both parties, I don't know. I don't mean just president, I mean in Congress,

spk_1:   7:59
right, Because we've got appropriations committees.

spk_0:   8:03
We've got a Senate run by one party now in a house run by another party. Got all that. We've had a different party president since then. During them Still didn't get done, still didn't get done, So I don't care what your political bent is. If you think that the government is supposed to sweep in and take care of things than you are probably really, really waking up two the truth right now

spk_1:   8:27
or running to Wal Mart to buy a TV.

spk_0:   8:31
And well, and I would think to, as I mentioned last week, I've got a friend who? Ex Navy, but huge government guy. Okay, I would think anybody with military experience and this is I don't have military experience. All I have is talking to people who do anybody military experience to be the last person to say I'm gonna count on the government to take care of this for

spk_1:   8:57
17.5 years in the military and two different branches, one including the Navy. Yeah, that is not my standpoint. I is that the government is not my sugar daddy.

spk_0:   9:09
I think I've used this as an example before. You're a while back. You know, in volume one, I was friends with the guy who went over to the original desert storm. He got over there and they keep coming. You know, at that time I don't remember how many people remember it, but there was a big push. What do the guys need? What do we get over there? They want you Record companies were donating packs of CDs and cassettes and things and sending over there. People were sending huge boxes of things over there, and he said the one thing we kept requesting was socks absolutely sucks. And he says it was It was a great day. When they tell us where you're going home, there's the plane, go get on it. And as they're getting on the plane, they get issued their socks. So I just say it, You know, that's you know, that's the military. It's not even the civilian side. That's the military. Uh, and I I think that's one of the things that have always stuck with me, says I'm getting on the plane to go. Yeah, here

spk_1:   10:18
socks socks way We finally got hot water the day it made it below freezing. Now let me emphasize it was a date made it below freezing. It had been near freezing before then. Bathing was it had its challenges, but it politely yeah, uh, hot water the day it dropped below freezing.

spk_0:   10:45
Now you say that there's I can't remember his name off top my head. I know Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller promotes this guy, and he says, you should only shower in cold showers. Pieces that the body is. It's good for your body to only shower in cold showers.

spk_1:   11:03
I have no argument against that as far as a benefit for your body. But, um, I could invoke the George Costanza clause here on on the issues of cold water. Uh, you know, my my shower this morning. Apparently, somebody decided to turn on the garden hose, do laundry and take another shower at the same time. So I was in a very vulnerable position for a little bit this morning.

spk_0:   11:30
Why attempted this for a week?

spk_1:   11:32
Okay, how they go

spk_0:   11:33
and I stopped, okay? I mean, it was It was it was interesting. I mean, it's supposed to stimulate, you know, different everything from fat burning, toe disease, fighting that things like that for a week. I tried it, and I was They were that I want my hot water.

spk_1:   11:47
Yeah, I mean, it's you know, it's it's much more tolerable during the summertime, but, uh uh, but during the where, uh, no,

spk_0:   11:56
no, eso So that's just what I want to say here. This is Apparently this problem that we're experiencing right now has existed for over 10 years.

spk_1:   12:10
Okay, but we're having a wreath World wind as it were. Right?

spk_0:   12:13
So this is not new. This is not something created by any one person. It is something that has existed and has been ignored by the government as a whole for over a decade. And this, like this, this gentleman very even keeled, very modern. He just he believed in his job. You could tell he's talking right now about the hardest thing to do is watch all this going on and not take part right. But he's retired. He's done. And, ah, he believed in the job. I believed in what the, uh, stockpile is four and believed in doing the best job possible. But he could only do what he was given the funds and permission to do.

spk_1:   13:07
Right? So, I mean, there's no matter what you're in charge. There's always a huge level of bureaucracy either above your beside you.

spk_0:   13:18
So that's I just want to bring it up. I thought that was interesting. Point of taking care of yourself. Taking care of your family. Taking care of all this I'm not even get into today is thea 16th and I think the money speaking was turned on yesterday.

spk_1:   13:37
Ah, my government. Uh, deposit did come in yesterday.

spk_0:   13:43
Well, see, I write a check and send it in, All right? So they don't have my baking information, right? If I get it, they're gonna mail it to me. Sue knows when, uh, that happens. Um, so I is is going to be a interesting time. They're going to see big push towards the government, taking care of everybody a big bush towards socialism of big push towards, um, authoritarianism on a range that the people who feared Trump never comprehended them. And then the bill's gonna come. Yeah, and, uh, because there's only two ways this can keep doing this is either keep going that we have now decided that money is not an object.

spk_1:   14:41
Well, just keep printing it

spk_0:   14:43
right. We either have got to decide that. In which case we're going to see student debt loans paid off. We're going to see Ah, it just broaden out too. You know, we're going to see the healthcare rolls, get huger and huger all these things that we could not afford. All right, before suddenly now we can afford and there's been no change. Yeah, I'm sure. So eventually the chickens are gonna come over to roost. I don't know how I'm not a economics guy. I am not a, uh I'm not a, um, expert on the way the Fed works, right? But I do know when the past the Fed has always wanted its money back,

spk_1:   15:31
right? So, yeah, that's that's kind of been the, uh, the standing concern. So

spk_0:   15:41
I think we've just just started experiencing what we're going to experience on the on the financial sides.

spk_1:   15:49
I I think we've just started something we never should have started

spk_0:   15:55
What they say. Another two million people were out of work this week. And if you do the $600 times two million, thanks. That is one point two trillion. Always a 1,000,000,000. 1.2 billion. That's if you only do the $600 payment right from, uh, unemployment, 1.2 billion every week in unemployment benefits.

spk_1:   16:29
Not can not. Counting the stimulus deposits,

spk_0:   16:33
right. So now I know you're technically supposed to. The businesses are supposed to pay in to the unemployment think, but what happens when these businesses go out when they go bankrupt. When they go,

spk_1:   16:45
and many of them have already

spk_0:   16:46
and there's nothing they can, there's no money to pay into it. So, like one or two things are gonna happen. Either we're going to get a really, really, really big Bill, or we're gonna decide that money is made out of thin air. Doesn't need to be paid back, at which point we're going to experience inflation because other countries going to go. It's not worth anything,

spk_1:   17:13
all right,

spk_0:   17:14
you just keep printing more of it,

spk_1:   17:15
right when it's when it's the global standard for trading and and it's become as valuable. It's on the level of Venezuelan cash.

spk_0:   17:25
And it's interesting to see that because, uh, I was also a C on NPR. They were talking about Italy and Greece, and some others are going to the U saying share our debt with us. You know, we want to distribute this debt throughout the you because we can't handle it on her own. And Germany and the Netherlands are going No.

spk_1:   17:48
Yeah, no things with shared misery here.

spk_0:   17:51
So, uh, that just shows you that one country it can can bankrupt itself in this situation

spk_1:   18:01
and and I don't totally understand the other countries going. You made this bed, you sleep in it.

spk_0:   18:06
So it'll be interesting to see how the you handles that. Because I You know, uh, and personally as somebody with a lot of, ah, uh, German in my background, a lot of relatives who are quintessential e German. My great great grand parents speak English. Uh, see, the Germans know. Yeah. Warm, fuzzy people. We are not. So, uh Oh, no, no, it's Yeah, whatever. You off of that on today's topic, which is opsec operational security. And, uh, I'm just gonna make a overall statement here. I've been on Facebook a long time. Been taking part in some prepper groups on placement on plate Facebook. Different ones. I remember some statewide ones, remember some national ones. And one thing I'm very proud of on the G on the G to CASS prepping Facebook page is we don't get into a lot of what if situations we don't ask people. What are you doing? Because a lot of you don't have common sense at all when it comes this online. And, uh, I'm here to tell you. You gotta cut this crap out. Uh, one of one's a Facebook group from Kansas. The guy says Okay. Who always bugging in and who always bugging out, let us know. Uh, no. And, uh, I answered, I said, I have a plan, but my opsec says I can't tell you, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yet all the other people's air going in, out, in out. Or why would I go anywhere? I live in my bug out location. It's great here. At which point you can Then, you know, use many search engines available online to find out where these people are. Yeah, and

spk_1:   20:14
or look at other information they have divulged publicly,

spk_0:   20:17
which, uh, you know, cut it out if it's really your bug in bug out location. If it's really how much ammo you have, it's how much toilet paper you have. It was how much food you have, right? It doesn't need to be on Facebook. It doesn't need to be on Twitter. It doesn't need to be on Instagram. It doesn't need to be anywhere except in your head. Or maybe on a ledger in your house.

spk_1:   20:45
I mean, oh, what my preps are, which are perhaps our fall into the category of no nya

spk_0:   20:53
well and no, that's you, but none of your business. And, ah, if I do ever say if you ever see me say I have x number of anything, it's a lie. Yeah, it's one way or another I

spk_1:   21:13
mean, except for that tragic boating accident I had.

spk_0:   21:16
I'm either telling you I have a lot Maur or I'm telling you I have a lot less one of the other right, but it's probably it's gonna be a lie. There's no reason for me to post that stuff where everybody in the world needs to know

spk_1:   21:26
well, and it runs beyond preps. Ah, there the thes info mining sort of things that go round the seem innocuous. You know, uh, you show me a list of all the cars you've ever owned, and you know, uh, or the list

spk_0:   21:45
that say, What was your what was your grandfather? What was your favorite grandfather's name? What was your Who's your this? What's your favorite? This? What's your favorite? That these air. All security questions? Yes, security questions. You're basically giving them the way to go to your bank. Go to any of your other accounts because if you've put all these questions on there, All these answers on there. There's a lot of websites just by knowing your email and that they can get into and they may be able to find out your banking information, they may well find out yourself security number. They may be able to find out a lot of things about you or just change it and be a pain in your butt.

spk_1:   22:21
Yeah, well, And just don't let the boredom of of all this quarantine stuff make you play those stupid games.

spk_0:   22:27
Now I'll admit I answer him. You know I do. I'd answer him and I lie like a dog. Oh, because here's my

spk_1:   22:37
first car was ecto

spk_0:   22:38
one. Here's here's my my reason I do that is I and muddying the waters.

spk_1:   22:49
Not all heroes were came straight. Not all heroes were chaos.

spk_0:   22:52
I put in there that my grandfather's name was Ronald and my favorite toy as a kid was a ray gun. And I put you know, all these things. I'm just muddying the waters up. Yeah, I'm just putting all this stuff in there, and they're going to try it, and they're gonna get locked out. But I'm a least because there's a dark Web in the dark. The normal Web is constantly being scraped of public information. That's then being put on the dark Web and combined the cross reference it I want. Since I can't control that there is some data on the dark Web about me. I'm going to fill it up with so much trash that they won't know what's good and what's bad.

spk_1:   23:34
You know, Jeff, I rarely ever say this, but another man, but you inspire

spk_0:   23:37
me. I appreciate that, and that's exactly what I do. Once I saw how those data scraping it all worked out well, there's only one way to fight this, and that is to inundate them with so much information they can't tell the good from the bad. I like it. So that's why that's my personal. Now some people don't want to take time to do that. That's fine. If you want the people that don't then what you have to do is protect your online stuff. Uh, I had a lot of a disagreement, is what you would call it. Uh, Chris Weatherman posted the other day that he wants to do these group things online. But Zoom is compromised, so he doesn't want to use Zoom, and he wants to use one into what other platforms where they're available. The number of people that told him to try Microsoft teams I wanted, you know, there's Jay and Silent Bob go to Hollywood worthy. Uh, Jane started Bob strike back as was called, and they get the go online and find out all the people that are talking to saying bad things about their movie. And they go to their houses and beat them up individually. I wanted to do this to all the people going. You oughta try Microsoft. You ought to try this. Anybody out there who thinks that zoom is compromised so they go toe Microsoft is like saying, I think there's too many guns in California. I'm going to move to Texas, All right? So because Well, a lot of it's because people have short memories spans like goldfish sometimes. Yeah, and and in the ah, what? All the stuff came out from Edward Stone about Prism. All right. I wanted to remind some people this I gotta open my notes up here to make sure I say it right when prism was came about and they looked at all that paperwork and they saw what was going on. I want to remind you some of the highlights of what they discovered was at at that time, a new version of outlook in office had been rolled out and, uh, outlook left the door of Microsoft with compromise security for the U. S. Government will take a look at anything. Oh, all right. It was all they already had. Uh, outlook Encryption was unlocked for the government the day it went out the door.

spk_1:   26:26
Surely not from the guy that says we need to depopulate planet

spk_0:   26:31
Skype, which is what teams is built on, was opened and worked to an able collection of video calls for prism. Oh, by Microsoft. Microsoft said that this is all okay, because we're legally compelled to comply.

spk_1:   26:56
Uh, they're fiscally compelled to comply, considering the fact that the government uses all market our product.

spk_0:   27:03
Microsoft just got a $10 billion contract for the housing of government information. Part of the jet I the joint something, something, something thing. Cloud computing. Just Microsoft just wanted over Amazon for $10 billion. Amazon, suing because they say that the Defense Department gave itto Microsoft because Trump doesn't like Jeff basis. But whether or not that's part of it, I don't know. But they did gives get a $10 billion. If you think Microsoft's goingto

spk_1:   27:34
people actually like Jeff Bezos personally,

spk_0:   27:39
I don't know him personally. I don't know him personally. I I use this service a lot.

spk_1:   27:46
I can't tonight. I got got, got got new hat, showing up on Saturday.

spk_0:   27:50
I can tell you this, though. If you look at Jeff Jeff Bezos, Uh, if you look at pictures of him Ah, the guy behind family guy Seth McFarland. Huh? And there's one other I was looking at the other day. You look at pictures of them before they made it big. And now I can tell you his money's good for you.

spk_1:   28:14
Just Yeah, Yeah. Jeff Bezos got him one heck of a personal trainer, I'll tell you that.

spk_0:   28:19
Yeah, uh, money money makes you handsome because the before and after pictures of these people

spk_1:   28:26
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was, uh, Jeff. Jeff Bezos before was just your difficult bolding nerd. But now he's trying trying to be ven diesel stunt double

spk_0:   28:37
Yeah. Yeah. So money works for making your sexy Let's put it that way. Um, it was Skype. So Skype was set up for that, Uh, this $10 billion. I think a lot of the reason it was already, uh, so easy for them to get that waas The Microsoft worked with the FBI to allow the N S a easier access via prism to its cloud service is noon. Then, as skydrive, it's now knows one drive. It just changed names. All the same stuff. Okay, so the FBI, uh, Microsoft also worked with the FBI is data intercept unit to understand potential investors issues without featured outlook that allow users to create email aliases. So you want to keep track of you? Even if you were working under an alias in July of 2009 make sure I'm right on that. No, I said July at 2012. Pardon me? I was wrong. Now I lost my place. All right. NASA boasted that Microsoft from the time in nine months after they bought Skype, the N s. A boasted that a new capability had tripled the amount of Skype video they could call. They could collect in that time. Wow. So Microsoft apparently didn't change a whole lot with Skype, except it make it easier to intercept for the cut for the government. And there's something now this being said, there's a reason that companies like Apple have fought these back doors in encryption keys. Because any time you introduced one of these, you create a hackable area right and you'll be wolves. Just give in to the government the government's made up of people. If people do the wrong thing with the tools the government gives him, if a cop uses his position to get bribes, if a person in Congress use their position to make money off of stocks, if all this these air tools, they're given to them that they're doing bad things with what's going to stop somebody intelligence community from doing something beyond what they're supposed to. And I'd even argue they're doing more than they should. Anyhow. If they're intercepting your stuff without a warrant, they've just exceeded the Fourth Amendment. What they're they're what should be their limits. So you take that now. We take that and we go back to this Zoom versus Microsoft. Here's the other thing the primary and we spoke last week about this. The primary problems with Zoom right now consumes aggressively doing this, But the primary problems have been a couple things. First of all, people, not password protecting their meetings, which is like not password protecting Anything else you use, you don't do it, you need to do it.

spk_1:   31:53
So not a failure on Zuma's part. Failure on the operator on users end

spk_0:   31:57
and people not taking advantage of the security systems that were in place. Now they're in place now, and they're forcing them now, which is, I guess, you know, if you gotta if you're gonna be cold out for it, you just turn everything on and let people deal with it, right? So which gets into with the password situation? Too many people are falling for these things where you get an email, you get us something on Facebook and it says, Well, to continue doing this, we need you to log in to Facebook or regional, log into your email, or we need to log in for this and people do it and it's not really doing that. It's just capturing

spk_1:   32:36
right to data Logger.

spk_0:   32:38
The best thing that can happen to these hackers isn't encounters. One of the people out there who don't keep track of how they do their passwords. And I've seen people do this and they just start entered just entering passwords, entering passwords, entering passwords, airing passwords. Internet password is password. What you're doing there is you're giving them a database of every password you've used. Wow. So the more times you try, the more you're giving them. Not good. The other side of that is the people that only use one password for everything. Right? And the way I would describe that is if you go through and let's say, Well, we got the studio here, I got a house, You've got the business and I insist on making one key for all that works, All of them, right. And people know I have one key that works for all of them. All they gotta do is get that key. And it came close up my office Krupke house crew out your business cards, everything else. That's why we have unique keys for all the different places. Absolutely. So when you have the same password for everything, and they could figure out from your social media or whatever, but say or they get into your email, Macy updates through your bank on, and you've got the same password at your bank. They just used to getting your email. Guess what they have access to now. Right? So you got it is if you cannot do this if you're If you do not have the ability to do this, find yourself a password manager online, there's one called last pass. They're not paying us money, so I'm not gonna go to I'm not gonna miss him too many times.

spk_1:   34:42
I do it. I do have to say that, Um, there are some makers on YouTube that that I follow. That last pass does give them money and they I think very highly of it.

spk_0:   34:54
I have a client who has used last pass for a couple of years now. Smart guy, but not a technology guy. I can relate. He set it up, he uses it. He has uses it across divide many devices. Well, I could tell you is if he can do it. 90% of the people out there can do it. It's that simple to set up.

spk_1:   35:23
Maybe, maybe last past will give us the money.

spk_0:   35:25
Yeah, so if you use that otherwise likes it used that single password or a few passwords, let them into your email it to me. Lt's another thing. Make this close to us. I have a family member who I won't name. It's not my wife. Okay. Uh, she we were all we're out to eat as a family group. One time I looked over and she has her keys on the table. On her key ring is a little leather tag. A fob, maybe we'll know it's a tag. It's like something you'd slip it about. Size of a credit card. We deal with bigger, Okay? And I look over and it is holding her driver's license. Really? So all you do you get her keys, you go in the parking lot. Use the

spk_1:   36:23
fob in the car.

spk_0:   36:25
Makes car. You're now in the car. Now that you're in the car, you've got her driver's license. You know where she most likely lives help. You know. Now, some people would say, Yeah, you gotta look through the glove compartment. You find the insurance information. You gotta take time to do that. It's not gift wrap for you, right? Oh, on one thing. So that's basically using one password is just like that. You're just handing them out and saying, Here's everything I got Go get into it. Right. So I called her out on that, too. I said, do you really want to do that? And she wasn't too worried about it. So I guess I guess she didn't have anything we're stealing or didn't think she did. Um, so that's, you know, the passwords, But the passwords? Well, being a part of it, I think are secondary to this sharing of information on the different websites, the different things like that. Uh, I know some sharing of information is good. Sharing of what you think, but to give people your actual setups, right? Not the greatest idea

spk_1:   37:40
sharing a viewpoints recipes.

spk_0:   37:43
Yeah, but to actually say dark. Here's what I'm gonna do. A lot of it is trying to keep this PG. It's It's It's a measurement contest. Yeah, some guy gets on there and says, I'm doing this and somebody else gets on their asses. Well, I've got this.

spk_1:   38:05
Don't let yourself get roped in into that being for distance contest,

spk_0:   38:08
right? So it's just you gotta keep it control on it. Because let's say you are one of the half a 1,000,000 people that when Zoom got hacked a while back here, you find out. Now your email and your password for Zoom is on the dark web. Let's just say you are. If you used a unique password for Zoom, you've got nothing to worry about. You go in, you change your password, you're back on the road. You've got nothing else to worry about. If you've used that password for that now they can get into your Facebook. They can get in anything else and get your messages. They could look at your private groups. They can look at your, uh, whatever they want to know. You are now an open book to him. Unless you keep your password secure and you don't put everything on there. I

spk_1:   39:05
still like pencil on paper.

spk_0:   39:06
Well, and pencil paper is great because really, somebody's coming. You burn it, eat it. You, uh, destroy it no longer exists. You never destroy anything online. It exists somewhere, if no other way. And this is especially important for people have blog's and things like that. Uh, there's a little tool called the Wayback Machine.

spk_1:   39:41
Mr. Peabody. Exactly. Okay. Yeah.

spk_0:   39:43
You go into the Wayback machine, you tell it. Show me all the versions you have of this website, and it will show you it logs all the website. It just logs everything. You go back, you can look at what postings were done 34 years ago. Five years ago. Things like that. Whenever anything changes, it updates on the way back machine. You could do that. Also, Google has a certain has a a a feature like that as well. Okay, uh, Google's even goes over into pictures. The street images on Google go in there and you click that little one icon and you look at old pictures on Google Maps. Oh, Okay. So you look at that. So there is no deletion of anything once it's online, you know? And you're not gonna scrub it. It's part of it. It's part of a backup. It's part of Ah. Okay. You don't know who saved it, you know?

spk_1:   40:42
Okay, well, that makes me even more curious. About 33,000 missing e mails that you know, that somebody would like to look for?

spk_0:   40:50
Well, that the one difference is that those 33,000 Well, there were fragments on other people's computers. You want email over here? And one over there. One over there. That was its own server. That's the upside to having your own server. Right? Is you can you can keep it from being backed up. You could You could keep it from being accessed and then destroy it. You're not going to destroy Google? No. If you're using Google for your e mails, you're not going to destroy Google. You're not gonna destroy Microsoft. You're not going to do destroy yahoo. Yeah, who's coming close to it itself. But you're not going to destroy yahoo. Uh, so Skynet? Yeah. Yeah, it's getting closer and closer. I mean, like, I saw a friend of mine today posted that any time Facebook decides that you've been reading, uh, information contrary. So what The W h o determines to be correct aboutthe corona virus. It will offer you a better site to go to.

spk_1:   42:09
Whoa, Let me manipulate you. Let me influence you.

spk_0:   42:13
So at which point, I responded with all praise our Facebook overlords. Big Brother is wonderful. just let him know I was on board,

spk_1:   42:26
and I am pretty sure pretty sure you sold him on that

spk_0:   42:29
one. I said, I'm you know, and, uh, here. I want to find it real quick. Mmm. Course that friend that posted it is a friend for being a friend of mine for years. Great guy, but a raving liberal, Uh, very proud of it. So, you know, I found it was funny. Um, here we go. Facebook will start steering users who interact with Coronas and virus and misinformation to W H. O. So you don't have to read a sight. You have to interact early with Corona virus misinformation. But they consider misinformation now, speaking that back to NPR. One of the things nothing surprised me today. I mean, it wasn't NPR maybe a seeing anyway, One of the ones. It actually made national news today that there are more more people pushing that the Corona virus started in a lab.

spk_1:   43:34
I've I've noticed that as a trend,

spk_0:   43:36
and I found that interesting. And since it wasn't that long ago, that was just a conspiracy theories sight thing, right? And, ah, they're claiming more, more people and of course, you know, China and the W H o are still saying No, you didn't do that. But other people are pushing for that, so it would be interesting to see where that goes.

spk_1:   43:55
That China also tried to say that was made in a lab in the U. S. And uses a weapon over there.

spk_0:   44:00
Who knows? Maybe it's a lab somewhere. I don't know. Depends on your guess. It depends on your, uh, definition of lab.

spk_1:   44:16
I got some cop buddies who have seen Cem Cem very different labs. Then what? Then what? I used to test petroleum. And

spk_0:   44:22
well, when I say you I mentioned on earlier show that one gentleman who used to work or maybe currently work for the CDC. He said that there, the way they stack things in those wet markets, he says, if you were to go and get permission and say, I want to run, experiment to see what happens when you put chickens over iguanas and just have them live with the iguanas ingesting the chicken feces while surrounded by all these other things they know you can't do that. So I guess if you want to call a wet market a laboratory?

spk_1:   45:04
Well, the the only issue with that is I mean, yes, it could be experimental grounds, but the issue is that the any results you get wouldn't necessarily be replicable because of the lack of containment in the area.

spk_0:   45:18
Well, in that manner, though, uh, most meth labs don't have containment.

spk_1:   45:23
Yeah, I think lab is use a little loosely when it comes to the manufacturing of methamphetamines at home.

spk_0:   45:30
I'm assuming that because when I used to work for the news

spk_1:   45:33
or some bad hobbies out there, but

spk_0:   45:34
he would tell us that you know, you could we? They tell us things like, Well, the house is reported for a very strong urine smell. So we went took a young look at it in all this. Well, that means there's not a lot of containment then.

spk_1:   45:49
Right now, no, I've had the opportunity to death. I have to clean up after some of them. And, yeah, there's not a lot of containment to pretty much anything.

spk_0:   45:59
So on that operational security, if you're going to claim to be taking care of yourself being taken care of your family, whether you whether or not you want to call yourself a prepper. Operational security is something that needs to be practiced and needs to be taken seriously. Otherwise, you're just making a shopping list for the government, for other people, For these idiots that go on doomsday preppers and say, I'm not going to prep. I'm just gonna have guns and take stuff from other preppers.

spk_1:   46:34
Then you provided more equipped people with a lot more guns. Oh, yeah, no. And very little food. So what good are you?

spk_0:   46:44
So it's It's one of those things. Now I'm all for getting online and, like said before, here's an idea. Here's a possibility. What do you think? Here's you know, these types of things. Here's how I would make this. Here's how I would develop this. Here's all I would do this. God too specific. Yeah, is where you're gonna shoot yourself in the foot. I do like

spk_1:   47:13
the misdirection idea on social media, though Usually I just see those I'm like, nope and, you know, scroll on. But messing with him, I like it. Yeah,

spk_0:   47:24
I I think that's the best. I mean, for me, that's the best thing I could do. Is just muddy the waters just cause I know I mean, the perfect opsec. I'm gonna be perfectly blunt. The perfect upset is opsec is not be online. Ideally, that's is it. Now, if you're listening to this podcast, you're online,

spk_1:   47:43
right? Well, it's It's not necessarily realistic. In our modern culture,

spk_0:   47:48
there's a few people that manage it. Yeah, you know, they're usually on the edge, Uh, so them I'm jealous of. There's been some days that I've been like, you know, if I could destroy this Facebook account, I'd be a happier person because one of the worst things I could do is wake up in the morning and read Facebook right away. Yeah, because I could ruin my entire day. Um, the wrong thing by the wrong person on there could just, you know, set me in a mood of, you know, that I'm not the best playmate rest the day. Uh, so you know, that would be might. But unfortunately, with the podcast with businesses, with things like this, Facebook has become the new Aaah. Well, right. I don't know how many people remember when a well used to distribute, um what were they called now? There were words. They were just you get me a well word. And if your word was Coca Cola, you type it in there. You want Koko's Web site? You know, if it was, you know, you could get other words and things like that. And the goal was to keep you in the air. Well, system No, not actually. Branch out on the Internet, but to stay in the whale system. Okay, Which is similar What? Facebook is now Facebook. Once you get into Facebook, they want you to stay in Facebook,

spk_1:   49:17
right? Shop from phrase book. You know, a book. You know? Well, before all this mess happened, book trips and stuff to Facebook.

spk_0:   49:26
Yeah. They want you to stay there. And even when you leave, they follow you. Oh, yeah. You know, um, I had another instance the other day. I was talking to somebody about something. Open up, Facebook. There was an ad for what I was

spk_1:   49:37
talking about. Yeah, I was, uh I mentioned the free story attic arthritis about 1/2 a dozen times in a day and never typed in a search or anything else about it. And next morning, I wake up and my Facebook feed is filled with, you know, 10 signs that you've got. Sorry. Attic, arthritis den ways to treat story attic arthritis. And

spk_0:   50:02
they're everywhere. And then, you know they are. It's. And the thing is, it's totally legal because of the way the user, the user agreements between the maker of your phone and I make her Facebook between the way those user agreements read like Apple will say, we will not listen to you until you turn you until you say Hey, Siri. Right? What? Upsy Ritter. Uh, but Facebook ask you, can we have access to your microphone? Right? It doesn't mean only when you're using it.

spk_1:   50:37
We have access your microphone. Can we have you downloaded a An innocuous game That won't load until you give it permission to access your camera? Yep. And you and your microphone and it's and it's just a simple game.

spk_0:   50:51
Yeah, I when it comes to I wish if I had my druthers when it comes to Facebook, when it comes to prepping an online, I would rather we go back to the old forums where you get on a forum. You give your own name. You could use a throwaway email address. You can exchange information, you can exchange rumors. You can change all that, but none of it's tied to something you use all the time, right? If I had my druthers, that's the way all preppers and things like that would take care of. This is through four go back through forms. Facebook's easy to find things. Facebook's. It's because of the ease of use that we keep using Facebook. I admit that, Yes, and I mean I'm guilty of it, too. I mean, I'm guilty. I don't know how many times I will look something up on Facebook and then think to myself, Why did I not just go to their Web page? Yeah, and a part of the time. It's because because of Facebook, people have slacked on keeping up their Web pages because they just think we'll post it on Facebook.

spk_1:   52:04
Guilt guilty of that myself. I I get more traffic from the business through through Facebook gonna do from the website.

spk_0:   52:09
So you know, it's that way, and that leads to this circular behavior of I goto on Facebook so they don't keep their website up, so I don't go to the Facebooks. They go to Facebook and just keeps going. It just feeds on each other. So, um yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, Facebook's days are numbered simply because younger people my daughter, which turned 30 and she she got a Facebook account. And I was surprised because most younger people now we're not using Facebook. It's Ah Instagram. Isn't this instagram? It's tick talk. It's things like that. And, uh, I know it makes me sound old and I lose a little bit credibility as a tech guy to be Totally Honestly, I I don't understand Instagram. I can't even tell you enough about it to tell you what not to do. That's how little time I use Instagram. I haven't account because it's linked up through my Facebook account, but I know nothing about likewise so and I don't use Twitter much either. Twitter is just too much. It's like watching all the stuff pop up on Twitter to me is like trying to drink from a fire hose that I

spk_1:   53:24
have seen other Twitter accounts. I have signed up for one, but actually going on Twitter, I I couldn't make heads or tails what was what was going on there. So

spk_0:   53:35
that's today's episode. I really kind of ran out of steam there, but I wanted to tip a tech on that because there's just a lot of stupid people doing a lot of stupid stuff and claiming themselves to be preppers and cleaning themselves to be ready. And you're

spk_1:   53:48
not. If you're if you're Pepper, that is fantastic. Just don't help the other. Don't publicize what your preps are.

spk_0:   53:58
Well, and I would even say, unless you're you do something really dumb, like start a podcast hearing until people that much,

spk_1:   54:06
right? Yeah. Yeah, we're just We're just couple of guys with podcast on a horrible boating accident,

spk_0:   54:14
So I you know, and that's why if you will go Well, what are you worried about? This list of everybody? If there's a list, I'm already on it. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I know I am, but that doesn't mean the people that listen to this can't keep from

spk_1:   54:25
Yeah. I was again military for 17.5 years. I worked for the government for over six years. Uh, that they already

spk_0:   54:33
know me. Well, I've got a podcast on prepping. I'm I'm on the executive committee of the Libertarian Party of Missouri. I've got I've got way too much on the record of what I think of the government. Overreach being I'm on the West.

spk_1:   54:49
Yeah, I've never been one to keep my opinions to myself,

spk_0:   54:54
so yeah, I'm I'm definitely on the list Will save yourselves. And, uh, don't post on Facebook. Anything you don't have to uh I guess you really want to start a podcast. Do it, but be smarter than us. Used an assumed name and ah, VPN through Germany or something like that, but, uh, you know

spk_1:   55:20
Yeah, well, I mean, it's first things I personally share. I'm currently, you know, if anybody's got a good recipe for Bryant brisket, I'm looking for one of those,

spk_0:   55:31
but I don't do much recipe sharing. I try. Stop. Alright. Right now, My wife text me over lunch that my banana bread was smelly. Really good. So I'm gonna go home to that and my new breadmaker. Nice, nice and do that. But

spk_1:   55:45
otherwise we got new pellet smoker. So, you know, really, really enjoying that That that thing's got a temper on brisket go through. The other day,

spk_0:   55:54
my dad asked me the other day. I told him I picked up some ribs when I read that Smithfield was closing down a couple of pork plants, right, I wouldn't got some ribs for the price shot up. Aces, Will. I need you to come here to teach me how to smoke those then and I said, Wow, I don't know if I can do that. I said I usually turn out pretty well, but just like in my ammunition reloading. I am one of the few people that own a smoker that don't I don't know everything. Most smokers most guys on smokers are going to tell you with the way everything has to be exactly how it has to be precisely how has to be.

spk_1:   56:36
I've been smoking meat for years, and I'm and I'm I'm still just a newbie,

spk_0:   56:40
and I have I just every time mind comes out good, I'm surprised is the first time it came out. I just

spk_1:   56:49
I do a smoke. Corned beef that'll roll your eyes in the back of your head butt.

spk_0:   56:53
Now, I'm very precise on my handler t uh, my measurements, my things that very precise on, but I still I'm not enough. Comfortable to tell someone else what they have to do. I can tell him what I do, right. And I'm tell what I recommend. But I in no way feel that I'm enough of an expert or an authority to say you must do this or you're going to die. Yeah, I

spk_1:   57:29
know. I was just going on the list. Was thinking Is there anything that I feel that I'm that much of an authority on it, And I just dabble in everything,

spk_0:   57:36
So But I know a few people you say I'm gonna smoke this. Where you making sure you're doing this? And then you gotta do this, Smith, Not Then you got it. Going has got to be. You've got to do 218 degrees. You 219 screwed the whole thing up. Yeah, but there's after at there's atmospheric issues that make it where I might hit 2 19 Well, I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I sometimes creep up towards 2 25

spk_1:   58:05
I you know, So it's cool Outside. All set mind to 25

spk_0:   58:12
something. Mind. Usually the end. When I go, you know, I kind of I kind of like a little bit more crust on this or something like that. I mean, pump it up, but that's just that's just me. So not given any advice, not tell anything, except on computers and things like that. I do deal with this every day. Watch your passwords. Don't give too much out online. And don't follow stupid links. I will say that unequivocably

spk_1:   58:38
don't follow stupid links. And don't tell people who your favorite grandfather was. What? Your cars. You know, the name of all your pets? The street you lived on when you were a kid?

spk_0:   58:51
Yeah. Yeah. Which? See? I've got that one already nailed,

spk_1:   58:56
uh, 13 13 Mockingbird Lane

spk_0:   58:59
because the street I live street I got my mail on when I was in from sixth grade on we didn't have a street name.

spk_1:   59:14
The call of the owl under house.

spk_0:   59:15
Yeah, basically. I mean, your email literally came to Jeff Calendar at this town Kansas zip code. Really? Yeah. We did not use streets on our address. Okay, well, there's only 100 people.

spk_1:   59:28
Yeah, s o the postmaster knows that related to half a story

spk_0:   59:33
before, but, uh, I was out with my mom one time. We saw the postman and she says, by the way, she was Ah, my in laws. Got that? Ah, card the other day he says, Oh, yeah, she is. How did you know who to send it to? Because it said Grandpa and Grandma Last name town Zip code. Now, the one problem is, this area is populated by a family named the West Germans and another family named the Hint six. Now, when they grew up, when they go, grew up all the Western brothers named married All the forensic sisters. There's now one family re union for the Westerns of the Hint six. Okay. Making a lot of Grandpa and Grandma's. Okay. Okay, So and the email got to the right one.

spk_1:   1:0:33
You mean the email

spk_0:   1:0:34
that, you know, that was the mail, the mail, the card Got to the right. Grandpa and grandma. She's had, you know, he was Well, I knew I looked at the return address and I knew that. So I know that so and so lived in that town. So that would mean that it was meant for this grandpa and grandma. So I took it to the

spk_1:   1:0:55
very Mayberry of you. Wasn't it.

spk_0:   1:0:59
So, Yeah, it would literally work that we didn't have. So I've got that covered. Well, I can't answer. I don't answer that question.

spk_1:   1:1:06
All right? Yeah, I remember all my addresses, but, uh, but my answer is 13 13 Mockingbird Lane.

spk_0:   1:1:14
So, Yeah, I, uh really, That one's done. Ah, small town, man. Small, small town. You don't need need silly things. You know, we one day during church, my best friend's father walked in. He was the pastor at the Presbyterian Church, two blocks down the road. Okay. He walked in interrupted service to say so. Is those houses on fire? We need everybody to go over and help out with that. So

spk_1:   1:1:44
very Mayberry of, you

spk_0:   1:1:48
know, radio's carried no phones, no nothing. Just the pastor from one church walked into the other church, said, I'm sorry to interrupt, but this house is on fire, and all the people that help could help. Got up and left

spk_1:   1:2:00
both churches, whole towns out there, putting out fire.

spk_0:   1:2:02
Yeah. There you go. So, uh, yeah, that's that's why I'm good to go on those things.

spk_1:   1:2:07
Oh, wow. Well, I thought I grew up in a small town

spk_0:   1:2:11
in the meantime, Take care of yourselves. Try to avoid the virus. Try to avoid the hysterics there accompanying the virus. And, uh, we will be back when, Ah, you know, hopefully next week with new material, Uh, four episodes deep. Hope we're not rerunning. Yeah.

spk_1:   1:2:28
Yeah, well, the w h o and the CDC order and and all the talking heads that are doing a fine job of giving us a lot of material to sit for.

spk_0:   1:2:39
They're giving you more and more reasons to not count on somebody else. Absolutely. They're doing that. And that's exactly I think what prepper preppers believe is I can't count on somebody else.

spk_1:   1:2:50
I mean, the core prepping isn't necessarily courting guns and ammo. It's looking towards self sufficiency.

spk_0:   1:2:57
It's really more. That's really more the fun part of it.

spk_1:   1:3:00
Okay. It is. It is. I had to rebuild. Yeah, went out yesterday on the tractor and reformed the berm out out my pasture. So So that you know, if if my losses were ever recovered from the boating accident, I have a place to do some target shooting

spk_0:   1:3:16
good in the meantime, to carry yourselves and we'll talk to you next

spk_1:   1:3:22
time. Be safe. God bless