Burned Out? How to Find Your Second Wind

Join Pastor Joe Liles and the TNC Podcast team as they unpack the hidden costs of burnout and explore a transformative approach to finding genuine renewal. Through personal stories, biblical wisdom, and practical insights, this episode reveals how to break free from the exhausting cycle of chasing worldly success and rediscover your spiritual strength. Learn why waiting on God might be the most productive thing you can do when life feels overwhelming.

Key Takeaways:

• Understand the difference between working hard for worldly success and working for God's kingdom
• Learn how to recognize and combat spiritual fatigue
• Discover the importance of relationships over achievements

Memorable Quotes:

• "Don't confuse successful with being faithful."
• "Those who wait for the Lord shall renew their strength. They shall mount up with wings like eagles."

Chapters

• 0:00 Sunday Reflections and Church Banter
• 5:30 Memories and Moments that Matter
• 15:45 Proverbs 24 & Isaiah 40 - "do not wear yourself out"
• 25:10 Strategies for finding spiritual renewal
• 35:20 Understanding God's perspective on work and rest
• 45:00 Spiritual disciplines for renewal
• 52:30 Preview of next week's sermon series

Transcript

Pastor Joe Liles: 0:00

Welcome to the TNC podcast, live and recorded in the worship center at the neighborhood church. We are three awesome staff sitting in the neighborhood church after a wonderful Sunday. We're gonna break that down a little bit in our dear younger me series and and can I just say that it's all post? Gosh, yesterday, I think it was where last, last two weeks, we've had like a heat wave, right? I mean, it was 9598 900 Right, right, in that range, and blistering hot. And then, and then fall just came in like a wrecking ball. I mean, it basically dropped 30 degrees. It's been like 70 degree. It's been beautiful.

Roseann Bowlin: 0:41

Was almost cold. It was

Pastor Joe Liles: 0:43

cold. It is cold. Like I was running this morning and I got cold, and I was like, This is awesome. Now here's my fear, is that I'm fully in for this weather right now. I think it's wonderful. I don't think summers don't fall for I don't know fall. It was that a pun intended. It's false. Fall. It's false.

Tom Helmich: 1:00

It's so good though. Mother Nature, Jenkin our chain right now, because so good. I wanted to sit on the front porch, but Amy's allergies are killing her, right? Ah, because the weather is great for it.

Pastor Joe Liles: 1:09

So well, you said that to me the other day in our one on one. We were sitting you like, Hey, what's up with your voice? And I'm like, nothing. And you're like, Are you sure? And I'm like, Well, now that you ask, why is my voice sound like this? And I was like, I could be in allergies right now. I was like, I just don't, and I don't recognize allergies.

Tom Helmich: 1:23

Yeah, if I can tell in your in your eyes and your voice, yes, right? Because it's, it sounds like you're either kind of sleepy and it gets much lower and kind of gravelly, yeah, like, oh

Pastor Joe Liles: 1:31

yeah, there's something Joe's getting well. And then I'll get it every year, 15 years in Arkansas, every year, I just get my energies as draws at one part of the season. And I just get tired, and I just get tired, and I go to Jess I'm like, I don't get it. Get it. Like, I'm just exhausted, right? And it takes me two weeks in to figure out its allergies every year. And I'm like, oh. And then I go to my doctor, and I say, oh, I need the Claritin D and the prescription trait. And he's like, every year, Joe, my doctors that kind of like, speak truth and love, like you're an idiot doctor, like, he'll just look at me, but you're in it. And I'm like, come on, doctor. And he's like, You should be loading up two months prior every year to out. And I was like, I know you said, can I just have the drugs? Please just give me the drugs. Put it on your calendar. Put it on my calendar. No lecture. I know what I've done to myself. Here we go. So yeah, so we're in and we're gonna be talking through this wonderful, dear younger me series. But let's introduce who's on the podcast. My name is Joe Liles, host of the podcast, along with two other wonderful hosts and pastor of the neighborhood Church, which is wonderful. And to my left we have the wonderful director of operations, Roseanne bowling. Roseanne bowling, which is great. No E on the end of Roseanne, I I put you yesterday on our new storage units. We got new storage units yesterday. Isn't that exciting? It's very exciting. I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask the question before you ask it, why would we need more storage units, right? Versus the ones we already have? Now, what we did, though, see Tom's also looking at me, like, how dare you get Yeah. So don't worry. I'm gonna, I might be judging, yeah, yeah, don't judge. So we were paying surgery, but our storage unit company got bought out, right? So they switched hands, so we had to go in and re sign our paperwork, right? And everything else like that. Well, when I went on, I was trying to figure out the numbers, so I went onto the website, and they have the new owner specials. And the new owner specials were a third of the price that we're paying for our current unit at the same size. So I messaged him, and I was like, hey, I want the deal. And he's like, can't get the deal. You're already a unit holder. And I was like, Well, how do I get the deal? And he's like, Well, a lot of people are asking. He's like, you have to basically get to the end of month, not renew your next month, move out of your unit and move into another one. And I was like, Can I just move back into the same one? He's like, no. It's like, this bike. And I was like, but it's gonna save me$200 a month. And he's like, yes. And I was like, great. What units can I have? It's like, tell me what's going on. So we went and got two units, and I'm saving $2,400 a year. So that was a good investment. Imagine how much we save it. We just, you know, you know, we don't got to say that out loud. I know how much we save. It's out there. Now you throw it all away. You know? What else can do it? Donate it. We're going to inventory. You could use it. We're going to inventory what's in there so they see what we can release. So zero See, I'm already on a path, Tom, I'm already on a path. And you hear Tom to my right, pastor of care and education, the one Karen, education, the one the only Tom. Tom, it's great to hear you. So the thrower

Tom Helmich: 4:13

away of useless things

Pastor Joe Liles: 4:14

and Tom, you love to throw away things. I have entered more fridges, right? That are just been wiped. I go in there for, like, a week old, something like, here's all scavenge. I don't mind, right? You're well, we have enough vents right now to where I'm like, there'll be, like, some good chicken left over. Like, no one's coming in

Tom Helmich: 4:33

for the week. Botulism, you're welcome, Joe.

Pastor Joe Liles: 4:35

Oh, I get him. Like, Tom's been here. Like, you need a sign that, just like, a little placard that says Tom has been here. So that way when you clear out the fridges. But I've been doing good. I've actually been clearing out the fridges now too. I've been you've taught me better. You've taught me better. It's great. And actually, I just thought today we have a new staff coming on for facilities and maintenance. I'm actually going to have them every Friday. Just clear fridges, right? So that way nothing stays I know. I know Roseanne. It's crazy. I know I

Roseann Bowlin: 5:00

found brown sugar in the back of a cabinet yesterday because I am cleaning, also

Tom Helmich: 5:07

you're cleaning. Wow, this church is going to be just know that any day you're not here. Yeah, stuff's going

Pastor Joe Liles: 5:13

it's good. I want to go back. Where did all of our banners go? Like, what sounds like I threw

Tom Helmich: 5:16

them away. So, so far, you've not looked for anything. I've thrown away. Yeah, that's really good. It

Pastor Joe Liles: 5:21

is. Look, I don't need to go good. This is wonderful. Well, before we get the podcast, before I forget,

Roseann Bowlin: 5:26

which we always do, well, he saved $2,400 so now he can buy new

Pastor Joe Liles: 5:29

bands. You know what? Hey, let's go new banners. We got some other things coming on with the property. It's great. We got a new fridge coming in tomorrow, which is gonna be great,

Tom Helmich: 5:38

Bay new fridge. It's gonna be great. A lot of kids to feed. It takes a lot of fridge space with it takes

Pastor Joe Liles: 5:42

which it takes a lot of fridge space. And so we're going to be out, which means we get to clean our store room in little neighbors. So look, look at this. Just, it's fall, cleaning. And I know I'm, you know, where

Tom Helmich: 5:50

we could use with that other $2,400 what we could rent a big dumpster.

Pastor Joe Liles: 5:54

Oh, yeah, clean up the barn. We should do that. Clean out the barn, and

Tom Helmich: 5:58

then we could roll off dumpsters. Stop by the storage unit, you know, yeah, just load it wherever. Well, this drops. People don't realize how much like stuff you accumulate. Doing, doing church.

Pastor Joe Liles: 6:08

Oh, absolutely right. The the seasons, and then and it, yeah, and we use it. I mean, we'll pull out,

Roseann Bowlin: 6:13

yeah? We have someone who says, Oh, we can use this next season, yeah. Who

Pastor Joe Liles: 6:19

would ever say that for two seasons? Which

Tom Helmich: 6:22

is working. We need a sticker, right, right? So it's like, okay for that, but then if it doesn't get used to the next

Pastor Joe Liles: 6:27

one, then we could just, it goes away. Donate it. It goes away. Yeah, it's gone. Gone. That's great. Well, in light of starting the podcast, let's sing our jingle. Are you guys ready? A, one, A, 2479367, 2285, 2285 neighborhood church. That's great.

Tom Helmich: 6:46

That was our phone number. I really miss, like, table setting up, like, the really quick tempo and, yep, becoming completely different.

Pastor Joe Liles: 6:53

Yeah, exactly, yeah. Just goes fast into it, and then he was done, we switched, yeah, like, I missed the harmonies. Harmonies were there. I'm soloing it out right now. Can't help you with that. No, you can't help me with that. We might need might need, like, its own jingle, like that we just create. And so, like, we'll get to the next podcast, like the jingle, and be like,

Tom Helmich: 7:08

on these mornings we need to call them and be like, Hey, will you sing this for a minute? Yeah,

Pastor Joe Liles: 7:14

jingle it out. That's great. Yeah, we hung out with table on Sunday night, which was super cool. So he's over a bike rack when we were doing beer and hemps and so that was super fun, all right, so let's get into the podcast and talk through a little bit of dear younger me. So we've been walking through the series that is truly talking about wisdom at all the different ages. And I had a moment on last Ooh, what was it? Last Saturday night, we had Tyra came back into town. We got her in, we had dinner. And as we were having dinner with like, the core team and the band and different things like that, overused, honest pizza, and we got into the space where a lot of kids were there. So he had these teenagers there, and one of the adults opened up a photo. Was like, Oh, this is funny. Like, this is when I dressed up for, you know, my high school dance. And they still had this photo. And so they brought it out, and he was in a cowboy hat. This is Waylon, right? Waylon was in a cowboy hat, and he thought it was super cool. It was, of course, it was super cool, and so cool. Then it was cool then, so he gets his cowboy hat, and he dressed up in this kind of cowboy tux and everything else like that. So the kids were laughing. I was like, Oh, wait, I have one where I'm wearing a fedora. And so I was going to look through the like to find this Fedora picture that I had from when early on in the church days, like, 15 years ago, and I'm looking for it, but as I was looking for it, I came across all these other pictures from like, 1012, years ago, and I started to stop, and we were kind of heading out of gusano, so I didn't find it right away. But then I was in the car, and I started hitting, like, early kid pictures. So I early land and early Kaylee, right? And just a delight, because you forget, like they looked different than an age you know, like Landon was a platinum blonde, super light, flowy hair, right? Super smiley, but didn't talk a lot, right? So he was unintelligible, right? So he there was a lot of babbling going on, I mean, all the way up 345, years old and and so like, looking at him like his expressions were so much more alive, because that's how he communicated, right? He communicated through expression and and so just to see him, and we hung out all the first year of the church. So I had all these pictures then Kaylee, right? Kaylee was super active, right? Wanted to do everything, so I have her doing all these different things and all this. And so I started showing the kids these pictures, and I realized, like, looking at wisdom from like, 40s is really this kind of setting up of families, right? It's and it's not everyone is setting up a family, but you're setting into relationship. You're starting to be ingrained in a path, not starting a path or ending a path. You're kind of in the middle of it. And even if you're like 50s, you're kind of peaking in a path, right, like you've set yourself. So that means you got kids in school. Could be elementary, junior high, middle school, high school, some college, right that are sitting in there. You got your career, which is climbing right, and so you're settled in your career. You're getting it. You're settled in a home environment. So you have all these moments where you're kind of settled. And it was nice to go back and look at where this began before that time frame, because right now, in your 40s and 50s, wisdom goes to your calendar. Calendar, like the calendar controls your schedule, right? And it's it's so important to look at what is the priority on your calendar. So the first thing I did is I brought up pictures on Sunday pictures. I brought up like, 15 pictures from early on church days, first youth mission trip, right? And on that mission trip, I showed that like, Bailey now plays in our band, and she's married and she's about to have a child. And Molly was our kid city coordinator for the last two years, and she was on the first mission trip. Cheyenne is just about to have a baby, and I did officiated her wedding two years ago. You know, like, so like, all these youth who are just 13 Kaylee's age, right when we first started the church, are now married and having children and everything else, which scares me for Kaylee, because that means, like, at some point, I also was with these kids at that age, and now they're have families and everything else. So so it was really neat to go back. So I went back to, you know, early mission trips, early popcorn theologies, early church days and first worships and different things like that. And then I, you know, really went back to my own childhood and the pictures I had for my child in those special moments that are etched into your mind. And I told people on Sunday. I said, if you look at the days right and go back into your pictures, those are the memories that caused you to pause and want to capture for a lifetime. You wanted to capture this for a lifetime that helps to you to understand priority. And I said, go back and look at all the different pictures and tell me if it's at work. Tell me if it's the days you spent late, you know, sitting at work and you're capturing the project that you finished and you took a picture of your report that you turned into your boss and did all like, tell me if any of those pictures exist in your book, and if they don't, what does exist there and its relationship, its relationship to friends and to family and to trips and to different things like that that were really prime. So just as an opening question, like, what are some of the pictures that come to your mind from your childhood? Like, if you go back in, like, what's a picture that's etched in your mind when you were a child? Like, what is that picture like? I want, I want you to paint that picture for people that you're looking at a photograph. This is what I see. And this is

Tom Helmich: 11:59

extra time to think about that, because, yeah, I don't know, and it's the 70s, so, like there was color, kind of, yeah,

Pastor Joe Liles: 12:10

like, real color, no, no. This is, I mean, your Polaroid days back then, right? Like you're just sitting in, like, the paper peel off, correct? You still had to take your film in do that kind of stuff,

Tom Helmich: 12:22

yeah? So the color was, like, it was color, technically, but different, yeah, uh huh, yeah. So I don't know it's I think about that. My

Pastor Joe Liles: 12:29

early on pictures are from the 80s, right? So I have a couple of those from the 80s, right? And going through. And then my mom randomly invited over for dinner the other night and brought a baby book, like, she just brought a baby album. And so, like, she's sitting down for dinner, and she's plopped it down. And I was like, we kind of looked each other, like, is that a photo album? She's like, Yeah. And she opened up, she goes, just use a baby. And I was like, Oh, cool. And we flipped through the whole thing, right? It was great. And so showed the kids and everything else. What about you, Roseanne, what are some pictures that you remember from childhood?

Roseann Bowlin: 12:56

Well, there's one in particular. I have two sisters, so we took turns taking pictures one Christmas. So I took a picture of my mom and my dad and my two sisters, and then my older sister took a picture of me and my younger sister and parents, and that that has really stuck with me. And of course, it's not on my phone. Oh, yeah. But, you know, we look at that picture, and I don't remember exactly how old I was, probably 1415, somewhere along in there, my older sister was probably 18 or so. We didn't realize how precious that time with our dad was right. So we look back at that picture, and it was at Christmas, you know, happy times and and Christmas, Fourth of July, we always got together with the extended family all the summer holidays, whatever they were, extended family, but Christmas and Thanksgiving was really just the five of us. Yeah, it was just our, our little nuclear family, and so precious.

Pastor Joe Liles: 14:11

Oh, absolutely. Why do you say so? Can you tell me why you say precious with your dad? Like, what? Why do you use that language?

Roseann Bowlin: 14:17

Because he died five years later. So I

Pastor Joe Liles: 14:20

was young, yeah? So that unexpected, yeah?

Roseann Bowlin: 14:23

And he had chronic illness, so, but we didn't realize then that he wasn't going to grow

Pastor Joe Liles: 14:32

old, correct? Yeah, it was so interesting. You've highlighted a fear that I've had recently, and I don't know where it's coming from. I think it's because I'm having older kids, but I've been kind of processing it lately. So I'll be out in my run like this morning, around 10 miles, right for a good two miles of my run. And I think it usually happens when my body reacts weird to something on the run, right? So I saw Caitlin Parnell, I was running, and I ran to her car. She honked at me, and so I ran to the car and high five the kids in the car, and then I kept on running. And I. Think when I was running up to the car, the sun that was rising had hit the car and went back directly into my eyes, because I turned away from the car and started running, but I had that like, blinding, like, light spot in my eyes, and then I was like, Oh my gosh, and I realized I was facing away from the sun. So I was like, There's something wrong with my brain. So mind you, on my run, I have time to think. I didn't have any music in today. It was just 10 miles of just me and God, right? And that was intentional. And I'm looking at the sunspot that's just in my vision. Like, it's straight in my vision, you can't look away, right? Because it just goes wherever you look. And I just got this bright sun button. And I'm like, Oh my gosh. Like, well, this is something in my brain, you know? Like, what if? Like, it's just now it's revealing itself, right? And I'm like, and so I'm telling myself this is not true. Like, of course, you just saw like, a reflection somewhere, and it caught you, right? But then I started thinking, like, wow, what is like? Well, how much time do I have left? You know? I think this is very much so because, like, kids are like, Tom, you're ahead of me, like your kids are going to call. And I'm just, I'm just learning right now from Tom, like his kids are off emptiness. I'm looking at our kids like we're planning, you know, and different things like that. So like that. And I'm like, How much time do I have left? Like, last night, I was going for a run and and I went out, hit the trails, dropped Kelly at some cross country thing, 730 at night. I'm gonna hit the trails for an hour, right? And just kind of go run into the dark, right? And I got, like, five minutes into my run, and I called Landon, and I was like, you want to throw around the ball? And he's like, Yeah, I do. I was like, sweet. And I just turned around and went home. And I was like, and so I don't know something's in me right now, that time is precious, and I can't, like, be away, you know, like, I can only be away when the kids aren't available. So I don't know what that is, but yeah, I've been having that, yeah, that very unique time is precious feeling that you're saying right there. And so, yeah, so it's very interesting. So I'm glad you shared that, though. I'm really glad you shared that. So that's really great. And then you were telling us before though about some Girl Scout pictures. Oh, yeah.

Roseann Bowlin: 16:51

So from my childhood, I just have the pictures of that someone took and gave this of Girl Scouts and just that camaraderie and that relationship, and how formative it was for me to just looking at those pictures and going, Wow. You know we were, we were a group, so

Pastor Joe Liles: 17:23

it was just fun. I love it. I love it. Tom, do you remember any pictures from your childhood?

Tom Helmich: 17:27

Man, I started thinking going through like the Rolodex in my head.

Roseann Bowlin: 17:31

That's an old

Pastor Joe Liles: 17:35

decision. Can you explain that young assistant podcast? It's yeah, and he did the motion in his head. He rolled back his head,

Tom Helmich: 17:48

yeah, like, yeah, yeah. But, man, I remember, like, a lot of, like, fishing pictures with Dad and I my granddad and and a lot of them were because pictures, you know, then we're not like now, we can just take a picture with your phone and delete it if you don't want it. It costs you nothing, yeah, correct, you know. But then it was kind of expensive. You had to, you know, you take pictures on a camera that you can't see, so you don't no idea how to turn out. Yeah,

Pastor Joe Liles: 18:16

remember getting those roles where they're all blurry? Yeah, they're all messed up, you know,

Tom Helmich: 18:21

the person the photo lab accidentally exposes and ruins all of them? Yeah, that's a bummer, because that's happened before. But like, so you don't, so you get, you don't know how it's going to turn out, but like, they were all pictures of holidays, like Easter morning, Christmas, Thanksgiving, occasionally, birthday parties, either with my mom's parents, or my dad's parents, or, you know, Dad and I the granddad fishing. A lot of pictures of me and my granddad holding a fish, or deer hunting with a deer, Skinner, deer, you know, stuff like that. So they're all like, they're more, you know, more important moments, whereas now we get the more candid shots of just everyday stuff all the time. Yeah, because we we have a phone now with a camera on it, and back then you had to go get the camera, and then you had to roll the film up, and then hold the button down and charge the flash, yeah. And then fly, you know, change the flash cube, maybe, and depending on what camera you had, and so it had to be a lot more deliberate then, yeah. So now we, like my kids, there, we have so many more pictures of our kids than there are us. Yep, because it's so accessible and easy and easy to do. So mostly they're at their events, like with a big fish or a big deer or a holiday. It's cool at church, it's always a picture of the church after service, you know, at a holiday, Easter, Christmas,

Roseann Bowlin: 19:33

or just milestones for your family, milestones? Yeah, absolutely.

Pastor Joe Liles: 19:36

I showed Kaylee a picture of me in high school when I was at beach camp with church, right? And it was a good summer for me, like, I was on point. So I was like, Kaylee, here's High School dad. She's like, that's you. I was like, yeah, that's your dad. I was like, in high school, and I was on beach. I was standing like, Superman, you know, like, type of deal. And I was like, I was really proud of myself. That was summer. There were summers I did not have beach worthy anything, but that summer was beach worthy. And I was like, I. Remember that summer I

Tom Helmich: 20:01

was like, oh, everybody's shirt off. Everybody is beach worthy.

Pastor Joe Liles: 20:05

This is very God. That's very true. I had my own self body image issues when I was a high schooler and so, but that summer was a good summer for me. That was great. Okay, so now let's, let's transfer this. So I opened the message like this the same way we just did is I wanted to grab people in kind of this nostalgia of their life. And the reason I did that is because what you're going to remember as we read Scripture is that these were the moments that were prioritized in your life. These were the moments that should have ruled our calendar for all of our life. But yet, other things take us over, right? Other things control our life, and those things are of the world. And I'm trying to make a distinction between the things in our life that we think are important, and we use great excuses. I'm sustaining the family. I need to be, you know, the provider. I need to make sure that I have purpose in life, right? I need to, I need to make sure that I'm giving back to the world, right? All, all these are great excuses, and I'm just going to name them for what they are. They're excuses, because when you get to what God is calling us into and I shared this right at the start of the message, I said God is calling us into relationship. I said God's relationship to us as Jesus Christ, that was meant to be relationship, relationship with us. With Jesus Christ was meant to be given to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit sustains our relationship until we go back to relationship in the kingdom of heaven, you know, like it's always been about relationship, and yet we move to earthly and worldly wealth, right, as an attraction in our life, right? That takes over our schedule, status and prestige. It really is. It really is. So we're gonna open up scripture and hear about that a little bit so that we can kind of walk into that as a staff too. So we're gonna be in Psalm 23 to start, and then we're gonna read also in Proverbs 20 sorry, you know what? So I've been writing, sorry, this is a side note that you got me. I've been writing Psalms on my on my notes for my message, when I outline it, we're in Proverbs. But every time I talk about I write, maybe God's

Tom Helmich: 22:00

trying to tell you something, maybe, oh, something. Oh, it traditionally, like in the church, Psalms are a big deal. Like in the traditional hymnals, there's a section like, they don't have the Bible in the hymnal, but they have the Psalms in there, you know. And every Sunday in a traditional liturgy, a psalm is read every time. And you know, you're going to get a different New Testament, reading a different different gospel and a different Old Testament, but there's always a psalm. Yeah, correct. And my great, great, great aunt, I've got it. They used to, people used to have a separate book, just their Psalter. They're a group, just a book of the Psalms. And it's, there's a lot of, a lot of neat stuff in there that that we kind of gloss over these days,

Pastor Joe Liles: 22:40

I was on a plane. You keep me on the story here. So go with me for a second. I was on a plane, and a lady's next to me, and she's trying to sit down next to me, and she's got her bag, right? And she goes, lift her bag, and I can see this is just, it's gonna be a struggle, right? And so I stood up, and I said, let me grab that for you. Great. Grab the bag, throw it up top, right? She goes, Oh, thank you so much. And I said, Yeah, no worries. I said, No, she at all. Right. So we sit down, talk a little bit, right? We get on the flight and everything else like that. And then flights couple hours, right? We get done, and I grab her bag for put it down on the ground, right? And she goes thinking, and I'm wearing my neighborhood church hat, right? And so she's sitting there, and she goes, Oh, she was, You're so kind. And I said, Great. And she goes, she goes, do you know about Jesus? What's like? I was like, I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah, it is. She goes, oh my gosh, I love Jesus. That's like, that's really whatever. She goes, No, like, change my life. Love Jesus. And she's like, and she goes, I'm a Christian, and she goes, and I used to be Catholic, and she goes, but I'm still kind of Catholic, but I'm Christian, and she goes, but now I also go to, like, a non denomination, but it's okay, because it's all Jesus. I was like, Okay. And she's like, she's like, Yeah. And she goes, I just, I just love Jesus. And I was like, I wish more people had your energy for Jesus. I'm like, this is really delightful to hear, right? And so she reaches into her bag and she hands me a Bible, and she goes, here's a Bible. And I don't know, it's like, there's probably other people that need this. That's like, I have a couple. That's like, you know, but I didn't want to, like, she was so excited for passionate for the Lord, right? And so she hands me the Bible, and I look down, and it's the Nuevo Testamento, right, which is the New Testament in Spanish, right? So this is what keep me off like, and it's only the New Testament. It's not Psalms, it's not, you know, anything like that. It's not the Old Testament. It's just the New Testament. This new have a testament, though, but I've always wanted a Bible in Spanish, and I have Bibles in Spanish, but I've always been intrigued by Bibles in Spanish because I want to learn Spanish by reading the Bible. It's been kind of one of my like, just background goals, like, I would just love to go through a Bible in Spanish and read all in Spanish and start to learn the language that way. We talked about that with Kim. I know, yeah. Like, I love it, right? We're the guitar. Go, yeah. So, so I want to do this. And so I'm like, oh, it's really nice. So I'm thumbing through it. I was like, Oh, this is cool. Like, this is a God moment for me. Like, I love this. You know, God's saying something here. Then she starts handing out these Jesus cards to everyone in the seats around her, right? You know, like, like, bold, like, this is awesome, right? And so I turned around. Said, you know, I just really want to thank you for giving me a Spanish Bible. I said, you know, I really want, you know, I've actually wanted to read a Spanish Bible. And she goes, what? And I said, What? And she goes, what'd you say? And I said, Thank thank you for giving me a Spanish Bible. And she goes, why'd you say that? And I was like, because you gave me a Spanish Bible, it's like you gave me the Nuevo Testamento, right? And admittedly, she was Spanish, so I thought it was the thing, right? And she looks me, she goes, No, I didn't. And I was like, I don't know how to go forward with this conversation. I was like, Yes, you did look it's a Spanish Bible. She goes, Oh, it's a Spanish Bible. And I was, yeah, you gave it. I was like, what is happening? I was like, I don't know what's happening. And she was, Oh, I just grabbed a whole bunch from our church and didn't even look at him, and threw him in my bag. And I was like, Okay. And I was like, Well, God, God, you hand the Bible to the right person.

Tom Helmich: 26:01

Walks away thinking I just handed

Pastor Joe Liles: 26:05

Oh, man, that was good. So Alright, so let's open scripture. So we're being Psalm Proverbs, 23 man, you know what it is, you know what it is. I'm gonna tell you what is. Our last series was in Psalms. Well, I've been in Psalms and Proverbs in this like wisdom narrative for the last eight weeks. And so I moved from Psalms, but I can't get out of it. It's

Tom Helmich: 26:22

get out of it. But now, when you get done, you gotta go read the you know, yeah, though

Pastor Joe Liles: 26:27

I walk through the valley. So Proverbs, Chapter 23, verses four and five is where we're gonna start, and I'll read this section. And then, as we scoot to Isaiah, scoot, scoot in the Bible. As we scoot to Isaiah 40, both of you can share those scriptures when we get there. So this is Proverbs, Chapter 23, verses four and five, do not wear yourself out to get rich. Do not trust your own cleverness. Ooh, I like that. That's the NIV cast. But a glance at riches and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle. Now that's the NIV. And I'm gonna take a second and I want to read you the NRSV, which I shared with the church on Sunday, just to hear a little bit different version there. So here it is, Do not wear yourself out to get rich. Be wise enough to desist, right? So don't be clever enough. It says, Be wise enough to desist. And then it goes from there and says, when your eyes light upon it, it is gone, for suddenly it takes wings to itself, flying like an eagle toward heaven, which is really interesting. The riches fly toward heaven. And so this is saw Proverbs, 23 and so the wear yourself out to get riches is where we started the message. And I talked to people about this wearing yourself out. Because what I wanted to see is, how many people are worn out? It's a big question. No, it's 2025, everybody, everyone's well, and here's, here's the thing, everyone's worn out like everyone is tired, right? They're weary. Their souls are tired. And so I wanted to break down what the scripture saying it means, don't wear yourself out. Now there's a very big distinction right away, do not wear yourself out to get rich. I think that's really important, because it doesn't say Don't wear yourself out for the Kingdom. It doesn't say Don't wear yourself out in serving others. It says Don't wear yourself out to get rich. And for some reason, for me, that there was a permission giving that it's still okay to wear yourself out. But I wanted to break that down in my own heart, because that's how I'm generated, and I know that. And so I wrote an excuse or a joke excuse, I don't know. So what I did is I broke down this word, Don't wear yourself out. And it's whole human fatigue in the Hebrew language. And what it means is it's a daily grind, kind of that daily wearing yourself out all the way to the depletion of the soul like so imagine that scope of what it means to wear yourself out. And so what I told people is that this is not a physical wearing yourself out, like you went out and you mowed all day and it was hot outside and you're physically worn out. It's not a relationally worn out, which means that you've been in an intense relationship, and it's kind of taken all of your energy to be present in this relationship. That's not it is not a socially worn out, where you're out in public and you're in the midst of a lot of people, and you've had to be on for a long time, and so you're socially worn out. It's not a mentally worn out, where you've had to study a lot and you've had to do these things, right? It's whole of human fatigue, which means it's all of that, and spiritually worn out, right? Do not wear yourself out to get rich. Be wise enough to desist. And so, like, open question here, how are you two doing? Like, are you worn out? Like, where are you two at? Right? Just in like, how you're feeling right now with life, things going on, all the kind of things that are happening.

Roseann Bowlin: 29:37

I don't feel like I'm at the point of worn out yet, but it's like I'm on the edge, like one more thing, you know, waiting for that shoe to drop. It's

Pastor Joe Liles: 29:50

danger. Close. Yeah, danger. How, when, what areas of your life would you say that the one more thing could happen? I mean, is it work? Is it church? Is it? Is it family? Is it, you know, things you have to do, and errands and,

Roseann Bowlin: 30:06

well, I think it's all of it. Yeah, it's, it's little things that add up, you know, I don't, own my either sister's situation, but they're still a part of me. I'm a part of them. So that is that kind of wears me out. And then, you know, there are little things that happen at work that wear me out, but it's not like but I take time to pray. Yeah, that's great. I'm so as a protection over being worn out. Yeah, and I'm protective of that. I'm not the best or great at taking that time. But for example, I didn't sleep well last night, so I prayed, yeah, you know, I don't I don't know what you need me to pray for God, but I'm praying, yeah, take care of whoever it is that you know is on your heart that woke me up.

Pastor Joe Liles: 31:16

So when I also see you as a person who fills that that weariness with uplifting realities, right? Like, you're a huge part of the prayer team and the women's group, right? But I see when you go into there, there's joy that fills yourself, yeah? And I mean, every time you're there, because it's as a pastor, I watch, and, you know, I want to make sure that, like, as you're volunteering in areas and working to the church, right? That's, that's a whole reality, right? Because we're at the church and, like, Okay, I'm coming back tonight for a meeting, you know, like, great. That has to fill you, because if it's a draw and, like, that's really tough, right? Yeah, and I look at you when you show up to those things, and you're just joy filled and smiling and laughing. And I'm like, Oh, this is a cup filler for her, you know, like, volunteer appreciation. Oh my gosh. So good, so good. Fantastic, so good.

Roseann Bowlin: 32:01

So, yeah, that filled my cup, and so I can keep going.

Pastor Joe Liles: 32:04

That's great. That's great. What about you, Tom I

Tom Helmich: 32:08

think it like at the beginning of the day, it's not too bad, yeah, but there's always, I always, every day, there's stuff that I want to do that I know. There's no way I have to do all that, isn't it? Stress, you know, every day. So I wake I'm like, oh, oh yeah, nope. You know, throughout the day, yeah, yeah. And it just depends on how it goes. Like, I've had those moments where, like, I walked into the office third day and it was raining, because they are something that happened. And that was that moment of that, oh, okay, I don't have time for this. Yeah. That's that. What's interesting is that that word, and he really talked about the root, the root word of that comes from where it means to, gasp, yeah, just that, that total, like, I've got nothing for this, yeah, you know. So it varies, but I think that's part of the reason we have an intentional time to do things, to kind of drain that bucket, yeah, so that doesn't overflow, yeah, you know. So you can, you can kind of keep, you know, stay ahead of it and knowing boundaries. Because I know, like me now at at 49 I have a different capacity in that than I did was in 20 years and 30 Yeah, absolutely. Young family and needed to, you know, to do things. And now we're empty nesters. And so now my priorities have shifted, yeah, and so, which means my boundary lines for those things have have shifted, yeah? So sometimes it makes it easier, because I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not gonna, yeah, no, I'm not gonna do that. So it keeps me from getting to that edge. So it very goes day by day. Yeah, right. Like, right now, like, I feel pretty good, yeah, two hours from now, it depends on

Pastor Joe Liles: 33:34

what happens. It does. There's stuff that I can have happen in a day where I start the day and I'm like, I'm gonna get so much accomplished, and then it sideswipes me in a good way, though, like, Monday, I got side swiped, but I got a lot of great things and different conversations and that I felt really good about. Got nothing accomplished that was on my list of like, weekly to do's. And so I had this moment of, like, today was a great day. So, you know, like, I don't that's

Tom Helmich: 33:56

when you go back to your like, weekly list, yeah, all the stuff you got done, you add it to it so you can mark it off. Yeah.

Pastor Joe Liles: 34:00

Oh, I've done that so many times, and I'm like, hold on, a second. Didn't expect this, but I'm putting on a list just so I can cross it off second I feel better accomplished. We're in it right now. And

Tom Helmich: 34:10

I think that's the thing of just having an idea of, like, prioritization, yeah, you know, of knowing, like, what's the most important thing right now, and then, you know, going with that thing one at a time, when

Pastor Joe Liles: 34:19

I think that's the part of it too, is that it's not a wear yourself out to get rich, really, in the church, right? But that identity of the administrative task we want to accomplish to move us forward as a church in an organization, I think, sit on that list of like, hey, these things need to be accomplished in order, organizationally, to move

Tom Helmich: 34:33

forward, right? Yeah, and there's a The difficult thing that I realized for pastors is there's a difference between, you know, God's intention for the church and our intention, yeah, and where the Spirit can push us to where they overlap is great, yeah? Like, there's the seminary I talk about, like the the missio, de e, like the mission of God's mission on earth, that that we're not responsible for. And then the, you know, the mission of the church, yeah. And within humanity, like, we get our ideas. What we want to do. And we're pushing real hard over here and then, but God is trying to constantly tug us to this other direction a little bit. So I put all this energy, energy to point in this direction we wind. We're gonna wind up over there. Yeah, you're gonna get there eventually, whereas if we just point the compass, yeah, man, it takes so much less. So yeah, that's the hard part of very much. So what our what we think is a good idea, what we're trying to do and achieve in the church, not always knowing exactly what God's plan is, yeah, and we just do the best we can, you know, because it's, it's ultimately not up

Pastor Joe Liles: 35:29

to us, yeah, and I think that's the relationships. Why relationships are so important, is because if you break it all down administratively, that task can exist next week, right? Like, that's okay, right? But if someone needs that relationship and that sit down and that coffee and needs that moment, right, that's the intention of a church that seeks to understand people one on one and be in the midst of their lives.

Tom Helmich: 35:50

And that ultimately, is what the church is, you know, then the English language doesn't do justice to church. No, I agree. I've got a German English parallel Bible that, like I did my morning reading out of this morning. And there are certain areas I think the German does it a little better, like in though the Luther Luthers translation, when the Greek says ecclesia, which we translate as church, yeah, Luther translated it as geminde, which is like a gathering of people, which is closest to like our congregation. But in an English Bible, you hardly ever see, like you don't see where Jesus, where Jesus said, on this rock, you know, Peter, you are, you are rocking on this rock, I will build my church. It I'd be better say, on this rock I will build my congregation. Yeah, correct, because Luther says that you'll build my mind. Because for us, the church is both the people and the building, whereas in German, there's the Kirk, the the building, which is where we get the English word church, yep, but it's both. And so people automatically start thinking of the building. They start thinking like a business and its own entity. Yeah, where it's the it's the gathered body, it's the gathered Body of Christ, the the congregation of the people is the the point is the what the church actually is the building we're in and the branding, and also it's just a tool, yeah, for that gathering of people that's rooted in relationship with each other, to assist and lift each other up and assist each other and nourish each other in faith, and to to pursue the mission of Christ on earth. And that is the is the church. But we can get off. We can get off base on that really easy if we're not careful, if we lose sight of the people. The most important tool that the church has for pursuing the church's purpose is the people that make up the actual church.

Pastor Joe Liles: 37:33

Yep. So I mean, this is the important part about when it says, Do not wear yourself out, right? It does not want us to deplete our soul to get rich. But I also think there is some permission giving in there that we know the work of the Lord is not an easy work, right? This is not a work where we're comfortable or it feels sustaining sometimes, right? It's a hard work. And so what I told the people in the church on Sunday is like, there is permission in here too to work hard for what God has called you to but you have to make that distinction between working hard for what is in the world and working hard towards God and understanding that working hard, it does not affect our salvation, right and and in the midst of working hard, God also honors rest and honors Sabbath and honor like so there's an important reality of that when you understand the work of the Lord, It's equally understanding Sabbath and rest, in addition to working for the Lord and understanding that God places many people in the kingdom to do the work of God, right? And it's not just on one person. And so I kind of took this wings like an eagle and said, Hey, this is fleeting. If you're if you're going after riches, it's fleeting. You look at it and it's gone. And that's true. Like, you'll go through season your life when you feel on top of the world, and you go through season life, we're like, why am I paycheck to paycheck? Like, I don't understand how I can get to this space, right? And it just kind of wafts. And so with that, I kind of took this wings like an eagle and moved into Isaiah. And Isaiah was that other text that we're more familiar with, right? Mount of wings like an Eagles, right? So if you guys want to take a moment to read Isaiah, 4028 through 31 that'd be great.

Roseann Bowlin: 38:59

All right, Have you not known? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary. His understanding is unsearchable. He gives power to the faint and strengthens the powerless.

Tom Helmich: 39:19

Even youths will faint and be weary, and the young will fall exhausted. But those who wait for the Lord shall renew their strength. They shall mount up with wings like eagles. They shall run and not be weary. They shall walk and not faint.

Pastor Joe Liles: 39:37

So I loved this because one it talks everything that we're talking about, right, grow weary, right, even useful, faint and grow weary, right? But it talked about the Lord being the search, unsearchable, right, understanding right is something that's even to the Lord. There is no weariness and there is no faintness. Right with Lord that we will knew their strength, and I was preaching. On Sunday, and I shared this moment of talking about renew their strength like the Lord will renew your strength. And I was making this distinction that, you know, God will never grow tired of the work in the kingdom, right? And moving people towards that work, and in that that we have to put our trust in God, and God will renew our strength for the kingdom in a really, really intense way. And with that, I felt that word on Sunday of renewing the strength, right? So in a question to you both, like, what? What renews your strength? So we talked about this, just like, you know, a second ago, Roseanne, when we were talking about, like, hey, when you jump into like, a women's group, like, I see that, like, if there's a renewal there, but what is it in your daily life, when you get tired, that renews your strength as an individual, whereas the spaces or the who are the people that renew your strength, that you know you can go to and be like, whoo, like, this is just renewal. Like, I'm just getting refreshed right now to go back into the world. Who are those people, or what are those spaces in your life?

Roseann Bowlin: 40:59

Spaces for me would be nature. My back porch, watching the hummingbirds.

Pastor Joe Liles: 41:07

Nice. You watch hummingbirds too. So do we? Yes, how many birds are we? Do you have a hummingbird feeder? Oh, lots. You have lots. Yeah, okay, great. I think four. You have four. We have one, and they fight. We have one. Really Mean hummingbird they're very

Roseann Bowlin: 41:19

territorial. They're very territorial they are, and they'll chase each other off.

Pastor Joe Liles: 41:23

I hold up my finger the other day, like little like, like a hummingbird, like, like nest, to see if they'd land on it. It didn't work. No, it didn't work. That's

Tom Helmich: 41:32

why, when you put multiple feeders out, you have to have space them as far as the way as possible. Interesting. Yeah, space them out. Okay. Well, welcome to old age, you're now official.

Pastor Joe Liles: 41:42

I even got one of those. How many? Like the feeders with the cameras so I can see the birds.

Tom Helmich: 41:47

So when you do your your food on the inside, you use this stuff that's got food coloring in

Pastor Joe Liles: 41:52

it. No, our hummingbird feeder is red, so we just put sugar water in. Okay, yeah. So for people,

Roseann Bowlin: 41:59

my friend, Carolyn. Okay. I mean, I can text her and say, I need some Carolyn time, and we just, we usually go walking somewhere, and it just renews me being with her, and she's going through a season of life that's kind of hard right now, but being with my daughter and my grandchildren, like, this past Saturday, they did a pool party, and just, I was around all my favorite people, and it was just, it's renewing, and I gotta swim and

Pastor Joe Liles: 42:35

you gotta swim like, let's go, right? It's perfect in that great weather. What about you Tom, who are the people or the spaces in your life that give you renewal?

Tom Helmich: 42:41

I think it depends on what kind of renewal I need. Like, there are times that I might need to go to go to the gym, or sometimes I just need to get out in nature a little bit and get out in the trees or or especially if I'm outside at night. I used to love to do it at my house, where I just walk out in the front yard, just look up at the stars. Yeah, I can't do that anymore. Thank you very much. Top Golf, because there's so much light pollution where

Pastor Joe Liles: 43:04

you called it on top golf,

Tom Helmich: 43:07

between the top golf and the amp, yeah, oh yeah. Top Golf is like, maybe a mile away from Yeah, or less Yeah. You know, half a miles of crow flies. And so those lights are on all night. And so I'll walk out, you know, midnight, you look up at the stars and yeah, most of the time, like, losing hardly anything now, whereas I can go out to the farm where I grew up, and it's just so bright, so so early, yeah? And sometimes it's just getting to go hang out with Amy, yeah, it's great, you know, just something that, you know, I think it's the and it's, it's whatever it is that's making you feel, you know, to get that point of gas with gasping, of just like, Oh, I'm so done with this. Yeah, whatever is polar opposite from that, and that's the point of the Sabbath, right? Is a change. Like, for you, Joe, act is active rest, yeah, which doesn't translate for some people, like that doesn't sound very restful, but for you, you know, it is. So it's it, because it's whatever it is, it's making you feel fatigued and worn out. And whatever is 180 degrees from that, yeah, is where you get rest from that. Yeah, you know. And so if it's being away from family too long going to family, if it's being too busy in the city and stuff, just run, run, run, run, run, it's going where there there's no there's no running, there's no business. And so I'm able to find it in multiple places. That's great. A lot of times it's just being able to sit and read and this phone not go off, yeah, oh, absolutely. So it just kind of depends on what's going on.

Pastor Joe Liles: 44:23

Yeah, I went running without my phone today, like, I forgot

Tom Helmich: 44:26

my you're not an age where that's

Pastor Joe Liles: 44:28

kind of dangerous. I went running and I forgot my vest and I didn't have my rough belt. And I was like, well, guess I'm just going running today. I was like, let's go. And it was delightful. It was great. And but, you know, I had the same thing the other night. There was that meteor shower that came through, and so I'd gone running late at night, and got back around 1130 and I pulled the cushions off of our outdoor patio set and laid them in the back of the truck, and then I climbed into the bed of the truck, and I just laid down on those cushions and and it was delightful, and it was, it was cool outside, and I. Stared up. I'm far I'm outside of town, so I had very little light pollution, and I just stared up at the scars and stars and watched this kind of meteor shower in this beautiful way. And it was delightful. I also find rest with Jess like, you know, there'll be times to come home. I'm like, hey, just five minutes. Five minutes come lay down with me, like, and just lay next to me, right? And that, that five minutes will fill my soul for a week, like just, I just need intentional. Nothing else in the world matters, just us to just be here, be present right now. I fight that with the dishes, though, are also very important to her, and like anything else that needs to be cleaned, if the kids have a schedule and need to get somewhere, like those are the things that she'll be like, I gotta clean something. I was like, no, no, just come here for five minutes. So

Tom Helmich: 45:46

yeah, a couple of years, you'll miss that opportunity. I know, I know. So look looking at the reading here that we read, yeah, like 28 through 31 is a response to the question in 27 of you know, why do you say oh Jacob, and speak oh Israel, my way is hidden from the Lord and my right is disregarded by him, or my just claim is passed over by him. And so it's kind of like a talking about, like a spiritual fatigue, yeah, you know, like a feeling of abandonment from God, a disconnect, you know, from from God, and then the answer that you'll be rejuvenated in God. And so I think that a lot of people like, if you're real, like, got to a point a day where you realize that you're exhausted, but you didn't know how exhausted you were, yeah, busy where you were, and you're like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm really, really wore out. Like, you don't realize for two weeks that you have an allergy issue, yeah, until you slow down enough to realize that, I think society, we run so much with everything going around us in town, we don't realize there's a spiritual fatigue that we're not rejuvenating and refilling.

Roseann Bowlin: 46:45

I think, in our day and age now, things run so fast that we're challenged to wait on the Lord for guidance and protection and just that renewal of the Spirit. So we have to take that time. We have to plan it Yeah, so that yeah,

Tom Helmich: 47:13

not let it get invaded by dozens of self help books or comments or social media stuff trying to fill the gap. Just sit in the silence. Just

Roseann Bowlin: 47:21

yeah, just let God tell you what renewal

Pastor Joe Liles: 47:27

is, yeah, yep, yeah. That's, that's where I concentrate on. The end of the message is that there was this part in here where it really says, right at the very end, right? We're talking about you shall not be They shall run and not be weary. They shall walk and not faint. But when we went back into it, it was talking through, the Lord shall renew their strength. But it says, for those who wait for the Lord shall renew their strength and and even this week, right, we had a couple things hitting some really great ways at the church. And some things were just coming together, but really fast. And I just paused and said, Hey, I need to, I need to take a step back and wait on the Lord for like, I can see it all coming together, but I can't see it coming there, but I can I know the Lord is in it, and I know the Lord's renewing the strength. And I was like, I can see but like, I need to wait for the Lord, like the Lord needs to put all this together. And I think that needs to be more true in our life, that when we need our strength renewed, we need to wait on the Lord. We constantly go out and try to renew our own strength. And I think there is a renewal that comes from the Lord that is different than anything we can do on this earth. And that is a primary message that we need to hear, that when we grow we are a faint, we need to go, return to the Lord when we want our strength renewed, even if we're not weary and faint, we need to return to the Lord and wait on the Lord. And I think that strength comes where the Lord is guiding us, where the Lord is saying, Hey, here's your call and purpose. Move in this direction, like you said when we order. When we orient that direction, that's what renews our strength. When we're oriented outside of the direction of the Lord, that's what takes our strength. And so to find that path and that purpose with God is essential in having our strength renewed. And so yeah, there was wisdom that came all the way down, right? And at the end, I told the churches that the greatest wisdom I've had from my dad when he was in his 40s, giving me wisdom when I was in my 20s, right? This wisdom I've had to this day is like, don't confuse successful with being faithful. And that's that do not grow weary trying to get rich, right? And and I think we do that often, and I think we just need to wait on the Lord and faithfulness versus trying to become successful in life, because that doesn't prove anything to anyone, right? And that doesn't matter. In the kingdom I love that it says it'll mount winds like eagles and go to heaven like your riches. Yeah, yeah. Like, it just goes, it just goes to heaven. It doesn't matter. So it's like, yeah, it's a relationship. All

Tom Helmich: 49:38

that is a temptation when we're young to get an idea in our head of what we think successful looks like, yeah. And instead of, instead of chasing what makes us successful, we start chasing this image of success. Well, if, if what I'm doing looks like this, then, uh, then that's success. Or I'll look successful because I'm, you know the and then you look on, later on in life, about 20 years later, and you look back and you're like, Oh, that. So messed up. Yeah, did not work. That was not even, not even close, right? Because it's about chasing the things that can cause you to be 60. It's like chasing the cause versus chasing the the sign, right? It's like, if people think, oh, people that are successful, they're wearing these nice clothes, so I'm just going to get these nice clothes and you're still unemployed, that make you successful in business, right? It's like you could be successful like Sam Walton and show up in just a collared shirt, jeans. It's not what it looks like. It's what's under, underneath. And that's that spiritual side of our life, that's that's underneath, that has to be there for any fruit to come from it. Yep.

Roseann Bowlin: 50:35

And I think that young people probably don't want to hear this, but a response to, what do you think I should do? Should be, pray about it. Yeah. Did you pray about it?

Tom Helmich: 50:48

Yeah, because we get to give them a better answer of exactly what we think they ought to do and they're going to do something

Pastor Joe Liles: 50:52

else anyway. Yeah, that's exactly what it works.

Roseann Bowlin: 50:56

I can remember that. I mean, I'm still young enough to remember, you know, my dad would give me advice, or my mom would give me advice, and it would be like, Yeah, I'll do it this. I'm gonna do my way, yeah, and I messed up. It's not good. So

Pastor Joe Liles: 51:10

we're gonna take all this wisdom. Last week is the last week of our series, and we're gonna be talking about those 50 and older. I'm kind of given the whole range up. I don't know how to say it more delicately than that, but we're gonna get wisdom from the people who've experienced the most life, and it's gonna come all the way back down. And so that way, we can see what is this time frame when you know you're you've spent life serving God, you've spent life in church, you've spent life kind of in this faithfulness. What is the wisdom that you have for all of us who are still looking at the next 2030, 4050, years and saying, How can we move towards God and all this? So that's gonna be the last part of the dear younger me. And this is your podcast for this Wednesday. And all God's people said, Amen. You.