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Altitude

• Captain & Wilson • Season 7 • Episode 156

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The film discussion begins around 11:50.

Remember the last VHS tape you owned? We kick off this episode with a cheerful trip down memory lane, reminiscing about our final VHS treasures before diving into a thrilling film review. We also revisit the eerie world of "Darkness Falls," revealing new depths of Matilda Dixon's tragic backstory through a fascinating comic book tie-in. And for all the special effects aficionados out there, we highlight the magic spun by Stan Winston and experience the nostalgic charm of early 2000s ads.

Ever wondered how a low-budget horror film set in a tiny plane can grip you from takeoff to landing? We share our thoughts on the 2010 Canadian horror flick "Altitude." We break down the film’s unique aviation setting and the dynamic, if somewhat immature, characters. We discuss Jessica Lowndes' performance as Sarah, the questionable competence of her piloting skills, and how the film cleverly utilizes aviation jargon to build tension.

As the airborne thriller unfolds, we dissect the chaos that erupts mid-flight, from mechanical failures to monstrous hallucinations. We debate the group's decisions, especially Cory's risky efforts to unjam the elevator and Sal's shocking betrayal. Despite its low Rotten Tomatoes score, we argue that "Altitude" is a hidden gem worth your time, with its blend of supernatural, horror, and mystery thriller elements. To cap it off, we share some practical air travel advice, emphasizing the importance of experienced pilots, and laugh at the film’s quirky release date inconsistencies. Join us for an episode packed with thrills, chills, and a touch of nostalgia!

Captain:

perfect all right, how's it going?

Wilson:

uh, it's good, it's real good I'm.

Captain:

I'm in a great mood after that, after what we just watched. I'm gonna be so for real, we'll get into it.

Wilson:

But we will. That's like uncommon. I feel like to be in like a good mood after uh I'm like I'm, I'm eating. Gob smacked.

Captain:

Like it is. Yeah, I'm floating, flying.

Wilson:

Floating. I wouldn't say I'm gooped and gagged, but I am pleasantly surprised.

Captain:

We're camping out. We're doing a good thing.

Wilson:

We're camping out, I don't know?

Captain:

Okay, hold on, I will say. I wanted to ask. You said you were at least three drinks in at the start, so how far in are you right now?

Wilson:

Oh, I think I'm on my fourth one, so not too wild Okay.

Captain:

All right.

Wilson:

I feel just fine, yeah, proving it Proving proven it. Um, yeah, so I had a story for you and it's a follow-up to, um, I think, our last episode, or the one, yeah, yeah, last one and this is kind of like what real podcasts do I know we actually like follow through with what we'd say and um.

Wilson:

So last time we had watched darkness falls and I had mentioned there was a comic book, well, I had texted you a couple days later that I had ordered the comic book. Um, so I read it this week in preparation for this podcast, yeah so I'll show you what it looks like. Um, it's pretty short.

Captain:

It looks exactly like the cover of the movie.

Wilson:

Yeah, so this is the backstory leading up to the beginning of the movie. So it's Darkness Falls, the Tragic Life of Matilda Dixon. I guess not a lot happens, but it gives you like a, so I'll give you the short version. Basically it's like a this woman, she's like kind of off but fine, but anyway. So her husband's like a sailor or something and she's always wanted kids. And then one day her husband does, just doesn't return home. He's like lost at sea, um, so she can't have the kid that she always wanted and her husband's gone.

Captain:

And that's Matilda.

Wilson:

Yes, and so she starts like baking treats for kids, because she likes kids a lot Gross, so they would basically come bring their teeth or whatever to her and she would give them like a treat.

Captain:

Okay but, did they explain, like how the teeth thing started?

Wilson:

no, I think just like an exchange for, yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm forgetting, since I read it earlier this week but, um, I think something happens, but basically, uh, oh, I think some kids accidentally set her house on fire I'm mixing up some of the events but basically they stopped coming to her house. So she starts going to the children, um, and giving them treats, uh, but I think I think maybe her house burned down because kids decided to come to her house and just steal treats. But when the kids do this, the parents and we hear about this in the movie the parents think the kids are missing and she did something to them.

Captain:

Yeah, it's giving Hansel and Gretel.

Wilson:

Yeah, so basically the parents, all the parents, come there and they like hang her. And then the kids walk up and like, oh, we stopped at the fair on the way home. So yeah, I mean it gives like a little bit more backstory, but the final two pages are like some information about the effects artist that did like created her for the movie.

Captain:

Yeah, because the comic was after Right, so they this was after the movie and everything.

Wilson:

Yeah, I think so. So they just talk about his. His name is Stan Winston, so he did like some things for Jurassic Park. I forget what else it said, but he does a lot of like visual effects and I think he started out as an actor. But they kind of just go through how they made like the floating creepy doll woman. I guess he looked at like a lot of pictures of burn victims and that's how they modeled her face. Yeah, so it's kind of neat. Oh, actually, that reminded me. Wait, I need to find the page. So this comic book came out around the time the movie did. Do you remember the year of the movie?

Captain:

Oh yeah, I don't know.

Wilson:

Early 2000s. So the what I didn't realize is, like the comic book is very representative of the time. Um, like, there's ads in here for, like, uh, the buffy the vampire slayer role-playing game. Um, the new the hellboy movie coming out in 2004. There's an ad for that. Uh, I was thinking there was something else that jumped out at me. It's like, I don't know, I just thought it was funny. It's like whoa, this is I'm reading blast from the past. Like, like, look at this ad for, like, triple x.

Captain:

It's just, it's interesting oh my gosh oh yeah, get it today on vhs and dvd oh man, vhs is definitely a blast out of the past yeah, that's I think the last vhs tape we ever can, or purchased. I mean it had to have been like uh, or purchased. I mean it had to have been like uh, it was like kind of like towards the ice age time, or like over the hedge or something okay, I was gonna guess mine was like rugrats in paris or something oh really yeah, I mean, I don't know for sure, but I feel like it was somewhere around there yeah, I think mine, I don't know last vhs how to have been around, oh, like maybe monsters inc

Captain:

wow I don't know something like that I never owned that movie, so oh, we owned probably way too many movies for than we should have.

Wilson:

I mean, I don't think it was a rule.

Captain:

I'm just saying we had a lot and we had one of those towers where you could store.

Wilson:

DVDs and VHSs. I had DVD towers, not a VHS tower.

Captain:

No, we had VHS cabinet that was made for V vhs, oh man anyway. Well, I did. You like the comic, though it sounds like it was good yeah, I mean it was neat.

Wilson:

It didn't add a bunch, but that's fun okay, okay like I guess it like it kind of makes you feel bad for her, but at at the same time the comic still portrays her as like she was already naturally kind of off.

Captain:

Yeah, she was giving weirdo.

Wilson:

Yeah, definitely in the movie, For sure.

Captain:

Anyway, well, I'm glad you had fun. I'm still reading this. This is the first steven king book I've like picked up and tried to read all the way through. Uh and it's super long but it's good. But I have like 50 pages left and I I just I'm trying to get through it. It's good. It's just like it's so long wait what book?

Wilson:

what book?

Captain:

The Institute.

Wilson:

Oh, I haven't heard of it, it's like 800 pages.

Captain:

It came out fairly recently like 2021, 2022.

Wilson:

Oh, okay.

Captain:

And it's good. He just writes a lot. He writes all the words.

Wilson:

Yes.

Captain:

So I'm just trying to. I'm really close to getting through it, though, but it's kind of been putting a block on my like reading or consumption, because it's just so long.

Wilson:

Oh yeah, I read the Stand a couple of years ago. That took a while, but it was good.

Captain:

Yeah, like it's good, it's just a lot yeah.

Wilson:

I was actually thinking recent, like this week, that I want to get back in the stephen king because I've read, like most of his classic books and I really like how he writes.

Captain:

I want to get back are you gonna put it on your goodreads that you're reading?

Wilson:

um, do I?

Captain:

I don't think I have a goodreads, or maybe yes, you made one during the podcast so you could friend me oh, true, true, I do.

Wilson:

Um, I feel like it's like every couple weeks. Like goodreads sends me an update of like books that you finished specifically.

Captain:

So like I'll get an email of like captain, like graded or finished some book well, it's been a while since I've had an update because I've been stuck on the Institute.

Wilson:

Would you recommend it?

Captain:

I would.

Wilson:

It's really good, it's just long, remind me later and I'll look it up. The last book I got by his is Holly, but I haven't read it yet.

Captain:

This won the Goodreads Choice of 2019. It was a 2019 book, wow. But I can really see why Stephen King had so many books made into movies, because it's giving movie while I'm reading it.

Wilson:

I mean it'll probably be a movie.

Captain:

It's giving TV show. I would say Like a six-part series.

Wilson:

Someone's probably going to make it Eventually.

Captain:

It's coming.

Wilson:

It's coming.

Captain:

What do you got going on over there? I'm drinking my fave Florida seltz.

Wilson:

Honestly, I'm like a broken record at this point. Obviously, I'm drinking a Kona.

Captain:

We really need to reach out to them for sponsorship.

Wilson:

Yeah, please.

Captain:

We'll take an umbrella. We'll take a Kona umbrella, a Kona suitcase. I'll just make this whole room just like a kona kona wallpaper yeah, the kona office well, I mean, I think they would take it.

Wilson:

We'd probably have to have a tiktok, though yeah, and we'd have to like start like, like recording our podcast, like yeah, I don't want to do that, that's more of a thing now, like people do that most of the podcasts I feel like I listen to.

Captain:

They do that now yeah, I'm like. Well, what's the point?

Wilson:

I mean it would keep me as full attention the whole time because I'd be like somebody's watching me oh no, that's true.

Captain:

If for us, yeah, if I had to video record myself, yeah, I mean gussy up gussy up um, all right, well, um, I mean, I feel like I'm a broken record too. I I drink pretty much the same thing as well you're florida seltzer, florida project yeah or is it florida seltzer, florida project? You ask me this almost every time. It's florida seltzer, but they're by untitled artist.

Wilson:

Art right, the florida project is a movie yeah, not to be confused with project x project x wait. Is that that that like party movie okay?

Captain:

okay, I really want to get into this movie because it was really good yes, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Wilson:

Um are you? Are you bopping us in?

Captain:

I can pop us in. Okay, I'm going to preface this by saying that we should all give claps. You can insert clap noise, because Wilson has prepped this podcast for us.

Wilson:

And I never do that.

Captain:

Yeah, the prepping. So I'm going in this blind, blindsided whiplash.

Wilson:

I think it'll be helpful, but he did preface this again by saying this is ai, I mean I put the prompts in, I was like who's the cast and what are they known for in this movie?

Captain:

and then I copied and pasted it copying, pasting is I 90% of the job.

Wilson:

I know it's no joke.

Captain:

Okay, so welcome to the 156th episode of the Red Room Podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two and I'm Captain.

Wilson:

And I'm Wilson.

Captain:

And this week we are reviewing the 2010 Canadian Horror harar altitude, which is, oh, direct to video. I did not.

Wilson:

Yes that was news to me.

Captain:

I made some of this hard but um canadian interesting, I think when I was skipping through the credits to look for an after credit scene I.

Wilson:

I did see a Canada thing Flag. Well, yeah, this is where we made it.

Captain:

I don't think any of the accents seeped in. I didn't hear any aboot.

Wilson:

Aboot. They probably wanted to appeal to a large American audience.

Captain:

Oh yeah, For sure they wanted to give Hollywood. I mean, the girl did it.

Wilson:

She gave.

Captain:

She did. Okay. So the director, oh, lordy Car.

Wilson:

Car.

Captain:

Car. Andrews Care, andrews Cara. Andrews, are you looking it up?

Wilson:

I am. I'm like I do kind of want to know.

Captain:

Yeah, it's just two A's, Two A's, back to back.

Wilson:

One website says it's Kari.

Captain:

Oh, I actually kind of like Kari Kari Andrews, is this a woman?

Wilson:

Is this a? I'm just gonna say they. I think it's he looking at the, what they're known for. I see some, some he's okay, okay.

Captain:

Well, he is known for abcs of death. From 2012, he directed a segment in there.

Wilson:

I think we watched that right.

Captain:

V for Vagitus.

Wilson:

I think we watched that movie.

Captain:

Oh, yes, I have seen this actually. Yeah, you're right. I don't remember all the letters, though. No. But he did the V one Cabin Fever Patient Zero from 2014,. Directed this installment in the franchise. Cabin fever that's a franchise.

Wilson:

I don't even know what that is well, we, I think, wait, I think we did cabin.

Captain:

No, we didn't no, no, we did not liar.

Wilson:

Okay, fine, we didn't, but we mentioned it in two other episodes.

Captain:

Ew, stalker, I have no memory. Did we mention it in reference to the film or did we just say cabin fever, the phrase?

Wilson:

That's an excellent question that I can definitely find the answer to, um, I guess. So I'm surprised we haven't done it, but I do wonder. I'm pretty sure like a raccoon or something dies, so I wouldn't be surprised like there's definitely a dog in there like that's why it's on the list there's's like no way. Oh, we did talk about we covered House of the Devil. We said that director directed Cabin Fever and ABCs of Death.

Captain:

So is it Car Andrews, kari Confusion.

Wilson:

Well, wouldn't it have said in here I'm so. No, ty West did House of the Devil, so did he. Maybe he also did ABCs of Death, and then oh, they're anthologies.

Captain:

That's why.

Wilson:

Yeah, there we go, there we go, it's all coming together.

Captain:

We got there and then Sniper Assassin's End in 2020. Couldn't tell you what that was either. Sniper Assassin's End in 2020.

Wilson:

Couldn't tell you what that was either. Yeah, no idea.

Captain:

But Kari, if that's how you say the name.

Wilson:

Or Kor.

Captain:

That was another website, so I don't know. Oh, I like Kari better. I actually like Kari a lot. I'm stealing it. It's mine now. Okay, so there's five main characters in the movie. Okay, so there's five main characters. This is another movie. I will. I mean, we should say that most of the setting of the movie.

Wilson:

You were on a plane you're just in the plane.

Captain:

Yes, you're just we. That is the setting um microplane, by the way, not like commercial oh yeah, it's not an airliner or whatever, it's like a it's like an itsy bitsy.

Wilson:

yeah, I, I don't know what type of planet it was.

Captain:

She sounded like she said it, but there was a lot of plain talk that I was like, sounds like it'd be real, but I really couldn't tell you yeah, there was like Zulu and Alpha X-Ray.

Wilson:

Yeah, all those 215.

Captain:

Okay, so the main, our five main characters. Okay, we have. Jessica Laundis plays Sarah, who's best known for her role as Adriana Tink Duncan in the popular show 90210 and the reboot Beverly Hills. I did watch pieces of that show, I think, but I don't think I'd recognize her from that, and she was in the Haunting of Molly Hartley and the Devil's Carnival. Don't know those works, don't know.

Wilson:

I've heard of the Haunting of Molly Hartley, but I don't think I've seen it.

Captain:

And she's also a singer-songwriter. You know she's giving like Ali and AJ. Is that the type of song she does?

Wilson:

You're just like she gives off the vibe that she would do an ali and ha song aesthetically. Yes, okay, yeah that's fair.

Captain:

I mean the hair, I mean. I'm sure her hair doesn't look like this anymore, but it is peak 2010 in this. With it, with the shortcut, swish bang yeah, it is peak, peak um okay. And then the other female character, um, is um. Okay, juliana, I'm trying to do the right thing, juliana. Gill gill sure plays mel um, and she's best known for her role as brie in the 2009 reboot of friday the 13th. How many friday the 13th movies have there been?

Wilson:

I mean a lot. Do we do this one?

Captain:

From 2009? No, I think we did the original.

Wilson:

Because this one didn't this have Chris Hemsworth in it.

Captain:

I think it did. Oh really Well, we should have done that one Fuck.

Wilson:

Just kidding, it was Jared Padalecki. Oh, he's also good. Yeah, oh wait, juliana was like a main character at least she's like listed so.

Captain:

So it's like I think it's like she is the main role damn good for her queen um and then we have ryan donahue, who plays cory um, and he's mostly known for his role as johnny harper in the oc and he's listen, what are these? And he was in a film called bad slam and the mudge boy, I think it's Band Slam, but though I don't know what Mudge is, I don't know. Like. What is that? I don't know what these are. Also a musician. Oh, is he the other act in the Alley in AJ?

Wilson:

Yes.

Captain:

B-list lookalikes, not lookalikes. What do you call those Copycats? And then we have Landon Whoa.

Wilson:

This looks like a fun last name.

Captain:

This looks fun, but I'm going to butcher it. Landon LeBaron, sure LeBaron. He's most known for playing dot declan coin in a canadian. Oh my god bro oh my god bro, he's the guy that degrassi. I actually I'm shook. I actually know who that is wait, you've watched degrassi, the new generation the next generation whatever not the new generation, and it was not that new fine like yo, I'm losing it wait, this was it.

Wilson:

I don't think it's listed here.

Captain:

He was in hemlock grove no, it is, it's the last.

Wilson:

It's the last thing, because I like looked him up and I was like okay bro, I totally forgot that this character even existed in this show.

Captain:

Lieutenant's gonna be mad shout out lieutenant um, whoa, okay, um. And then, uh, yeah, he's in hemlock grove, um. And then, lastly, okay, we have gory bruce. Okay, last week we have jake weary playing sal. Um, sal fucking sucks in this movie, but he's known as playing kevin in shameless. Which one's kevin. I watched like five seasons of that I thought kevin was.

Wilson:

There must be a different kevin. Who's, uh, um, damn, their neighbor?

Captain:

there's two neighbors, that couple, that's their neighbor oh, that guy's kevin isn't his name, kevin I think so, yeah, I mean I guess they call him kev but no, I think you're right. I don't know who this kevin is um, but sal also. Oh, he's also in.

Wilson:

It follows from 2014 that must be like I was. Like he looks familiar squelch we already squelched.

Captain:

It follows before, I think I think so that was way back.

Wilson:

That was like episode I don't know, 40 I think, uh, he's the guy that gave the main girl the like it thing oh, he's the beginning guy I think he's the beginning guy I think he's the beginning guy.

Captain:

Nothing like a beginning guy. Okay, well, that's fun.

Wilson:

Also a musician.

Captain:

Also a musician. They're all in a band together.

Wilson:

Yeah, honestly.

Captain:

I mean, the only person that doesn't do music is Mel.

Wilson:

She's not in the band.

Captain:

They kicked her out. They bonked her on the head, bonk. Okay, so that's our cast um. So we have sarah, who's our main girl. We're introduced to her. Um, well, actually no, before that, sorry, we see the crash of the original plane.

Wilson:

Yes.

Captain:

There's a kid, a mom, two adults that are. One of them looks terrified and they're on like a microplane and you see them hit, turbulence and there's like fear in there and then they crash. What the phrasing of like and there and there was like fear in there and then they um crash into a time I'm guessing, um, and we meet sarah who, uh, is a young, relatively inexperienced pilot.

Captain:

Um, and she has her father who, I guess, is an experienced pilot the colonel um and um we get through a phone conversation with them that um, he doesn't trust her um in life because she drinks, and um I feel like that makes it sound so much worse than it is.

Wilson:

He's just like a suspicious dad. He's like you're going to a concert, don't drink okay.

Captain:

But he also doesn't trust her because her mom died in this plane crash. I mean, he does say like don't booze out bitch, no um I mean, yeah, he does okay. So, um, well, I think I agree with her dad, because she immediately makes all the wrong decisions. She invites her friends out to go drink on this, to go to a weekend getaway to, apparently, see coldplay, which I didn't catch.

Captain:

That I swear they said coldplay they said I mean concert for sure. I don't know. Maybe you were just like getting the the feels of the movie and you're like it's probably a coldplay that's yeah um, so they decide they're going to charter this like micro plan for this weekend getaway and I'm immediately you hate her friends, like because they don't I think it's because they don't want to hit traffic decide they're gonna charter this like micro plan for this weekend getaway and I'm immediately you hate her friends, like because they don't.

Wilson:

I think it's because they don't want to hit traffic. So they.

Captain:

Oh my god, bro, I'm mad. I thought they were flying because she they thought it was just like cool and like she could like get them, I think they just like kept complaining about traffic where is this coming from? I missed all this traffic conversation.

Wilson:

I guess maybe it was before you were, like, too interested in the movie probably um, but yeah, her, mainly sal.

Captain:

Sal is terrible. He's insensitive. He yo didn't your mom die on a plane like this. It's just like really weird, I don't know. There's like endless scenes of him being just the worst and also, at the same time, mel is camcordering, recording absolutely everything that's happening, and I didn't catch what that was for. But she also gives off terrible because it's like can you get this fucking camera out of my face? Um, so we also, before the plane takes off, we get um introduced to bruce, who is not a like a longtime friend of the group. He's like sarah's love interest, but kind of like more like she uses him for tutoring and he's into her a lot more than she's into him.

Captain:

Is, I think, what we're supposed to get out of that she honestly sounds like a terrible person at this point, like yeah, yeah she's not um, oh, whatever so they get on the plane, things seem relatively fine at first, but but tensions rise in the group members. What is it? Bruce is, like, really scared to be flying, and so, because of his fear, sarah decides she's going to let him fly the plane to like overcome his fears. But he panics and like uh, the plane basically almost I don't know explodes. Um, so sarah takes the handles back from him, but, um, everybody uh hates him after that point.

Wilson:

Um, yeah, I don't get this part.

Captain:

Yeah, they're like pissed at him, but I, I don't know, I don't get it yeah, it's 100 sarah's fault and, honestly, like before that even happens, the tensions are already kind of high in the plane. Because what is it? Sal is just drinking and he's like wooing in the back and he's like making uncomfortable comments about how there's like only one parachute in the plane. So, uh, dibs on that, or something like in case they need it. Um, oh, I should say also, during takeoff, we get a scene of that screw going, becoming loose somewhere within the that was like some final destination shit yeah, actually I never really watched final destination, but that that does seem like that's what it is.

Captain:

Um. So I will say they do kind of mention it briefly. But as soon as I saw that screw was shaking I was like where the fuck were your safety checks? Like I'm pretty sure before you take off any equipment like into the air, you have to do a like thorough check.

Wilson:

But I think sarah said she mostly did it yeah, I mean I guess I don't they like there's no way they like go through the whole plane to make sure all the screws are like perfect I don't know I don't know when I had to drive the um, um, like I hated that thing.

Captain:

But driving this truck thing to pick up stuff for my job, it was one of those cargo truck thingies. It was the most terrifying thing I ever had to do. But you had to do a whole safety check of everything before you take off and drive.

Wilson:

I mean, it's a truck, but you just casually flew a plane, you tell me um, you like you really have to.

Captain:

I mean you're not checking all the screws, but like I don't know, it's pretty thorough.

Captain:

I think it was like three pages okay and you had to like check it off and that that was just like a 20 minute drive. So I feel like they probably would do more tricking, but anyway, I mean Sarah basically gives up. Oh yeah, I only had the fuel tanks half full anyway, so, and I don't think that you're supposed to do that, so maybe she wasn't doing the right thing. Um, but anyway, tensions are already kind of high before she even does that because, like, yeah, sal's being annoying as fuck in the back. There's a tension between her and Bruce because Bruce wanted to like drive her back to school or something when the semester started back up, and he's like heartbroken when she finds out that she's going to have her dad do it instead of him.

Wilson:

I don't know if you, there's yeah, there's a lot of like, uh like, how old are these people? I think they're like 19 or 20, it's just like some, this could have been like clear if you just talk to each other, and also maybe not while she's flying a plane yo, in the middle of flight, the amount of times do they interrupt the pilot?

Captain:

if I'm in a plane and the pilot is piloting, I'm not talking to them, I'm not interrupting them, I'm not bothering them. They say the name sarah. I mean, I was telling you. I was like this is half the script, is that I'm just going?

Wilson:

sarah, sarah, sarah, they're like little kids just trying to get their mom's attention.

Captain:

Yes, sarah, sarah, it's just so much and I'm like, guys, she's busy, she's working, so, anyway, after the nerd guy flies the plane and well, he doesn't he like fails. Things really go off the rails after that. Um so sal destroys his comic book gift that he got from sarah, where it's like a um, oh, you're a comic book guy, um what? Is that what is that called like mint condition or whatever?

Wilson:

uh, I mean, yeah well, it didn't look perfectly sealed, it was just in a slip cover. But yes, I have one comic book, what is that called Mint conditioner or whatever? I mean, yeah, well, it didn't look perfectly sealed.

Captain:

It was just in a slipcover. But yes, he destroys that. And then, I think, shortly after that, they hit the weather. They hit weather which is like sudden weather into the clouds and they can't get out of it, or are they like they're basically? The plane that they're in is not supposed to take on clouds, so yes what's what's happening? What's happening? Are you playing around in here?

Wilson:

um.

Captain:

Simon is laying on the keyboard just a little bit um well, I'm looking at Simon's work.

Wilson:

I'm fixed. Okay, all better.

Captain:

Yeah, so yeah, they hit weather suddenly, Sudden weather. Nobody understands why it shouldn't have been there.

Wilson:

And that screw, that loose screw, is like locking the like rudder or whatever. Yeah, so like they're forced to go up yeah, it's like malfunctioning.

Captain:

Yeah, so they basically ascend uncontrollably into the sky and then they lose radio contact. Um, and I will say sarah does is like a new pilot, um, and she is trying to be like calm, but I don't think she does a great job on like maintaining that we're gonna be okay, like she's trying, but she does not calm the plane down and everybody and all the passengers are way worse.

Wilson:

I mean, they're oh yeah chaos, chaos in the back I think, if that were actually happening, I think that's a moment where everyone's dead, silent and like scared to death, like everyone's just like not talking I think like I think that's how it would happen, but whatever I think that would not have been a good movie sal.

Captain:

Um, so there's, oh, another thing. The tension that happened before this nath, everything went to shit was sal finds there's a comment that cory implies that he and mel are having like a secret affair, even though mel and sal are boyfriend and girlfriend. Um, not, she like does he like basically doesn't even imply it. He almost says it like outright and I'm like what the fuck is happening?

Captain:

why would you take these people on this plane with you, like I don't know, it's so much drama, drama and trauma yeah, and they're unpacking it all, all on the plane while there's weather problems, while the plane is malfunctioning, um, crazy, um, so the sal chaos right, he's like well, we have to draw strings to figure out who's going gonna take the parachute. It's like one of the first thing he says um, and cory's like no, mel is gonna have it. Um, because I love her. Um, um, that doesn't really go that way. And then, before they can even do this string drawing, bruce freaks the fuck out, starts saying we have to get back down to the ground or we're gonna die, just like them. Um, they basically have to choke him out, for him to calm down and then hog tie him so he's out for like I don't know, 20 minutes in the movie or something, 30 minutes maybe, um, so they decide that they are going to one throw all of the cargo out of the ship because they decide they're too heavy.

Captain:

And then after that, because that doesn't work, corey's like well, I'm a rock climber, so I'm going to jump out of the plane and unjam the stuck elevator underneath the wing or something.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

Outside of the plane.

Wilson:

In the air the plane. I mean he is tied in, but oh, my god, oh, that little rope's gonna save him, yeah so, like when he first jumps out, he ends up really far behind the plane and he, he like, crawls back along the rope, which I don't know how even feasible that is if you're in a plane rock climbing, yeah sure. So he makes it back along the rope, which I don't know how even feasible that is if you're in a plane rock climbing yeah, sure.

Wilson:

So he makes it back to the plane and he like fixes the elevator yes, well, he kicks it.

Captain:

So it's unstunk, unstunk, unstunk it was a stanky elevator but so around the same time they start to hear noises of like a monster in the air and Sal in the mess of, like Corey trying to get back inside of the plane. He like slips and because of the way the rope is tied up, sal also gets like uh, pulled out of the plane, but he's also stuck on the rope and so he immediately makes a decision to cut that rope so he can get back in the plane and fuck cory. Um, like immediately, like there's no thought no hesitation.

Wilson:

You could argue he saw the giant creature in the clouds eat Corey, but I don't think that happened. No, I'm pretty sure it was because he was having an affair with Mel.

Captain:

Yeah, but it doesn't. I mean he gets back in the plane. Corey's gone forever. Obviously you see him fly into oblivion. But Mel very quickly sees that the cord is cut and is like you killed him. You killed him.

Wilson:

Now to be fair, and I don't think he knew this, but Sal, like the rope was going to break in a moment and they would both be dead. But I don't think Sal knew that.

Captain:

It's like that train problem where it's like do you make the active decision to kill somebody or passively kill more than one person? Yeah, including yourself. Make the active decision to kill somebody or passively kill more than one person? Yeah, including yourself? So, but yeah, no, I mean he did. He's trying to like plausibly deny. You know he doesn't want any of the guilt. He's like no, a monster took him. A monster took him wasn't me, guys, um.

Captain:

But anyway, he's in the hot seat for just a few minutes because shortly after that we find out that bruce um is not who he told sarah he was um. Sarah can tell that he was lying, that his parents died in a car crash because of what he was saying when he was going, when he was having like a panic attack and he was like we can't, we have to get back down on the ground, we can't die like they did. So sarah confronts him like almost shortly, like right after he wakes up, and um, he was like yeah, my parents did die on a plane, and not just any plane. I was the child passenger on the plane that your mom died on. That was flying, which is crazy because it is something like you.

Captain:

Don't just hide that he basically like, sought her out, like and I'm am wilson. I was very confused by this scene because, almost back to back, you hear him say, he's like screaming at her your mom killed my parents, my life is so screwed up because of her.

Captain:

And then, like almost immediately after that, he tells sarah that he loves her this guy has some problems and I like I don't know if that means that originally he sought out to like ruin her life and then realized like accidentally fell in love with her. I don't, am I reading too much?

Wilson:

I think there's like I think they didn't have time or they chose not to unpack some things. That happened this movie, but that is something that like could have been unpacked with more time okay, um, and then, yeah, so I'm trying to figure out.

Captain:

Yeah, that was like a big thing. She's like you know, I don't. You know you're not who you say you are. I don't trust you, I don't know who you are. Um, mel is suffering from hypoxia really bad and she then makes the comment of what if we are all in a secret experiment because your dad's like some cia secret agent with planes? He's like a plain cia person. And what if he's putting us in like an experiment? You know what? It reminded me of what she was explaining that like cube movie oh yeah, where it's like what if we're all just in a secret experiment?

Captain:

and what if we never left the hangar? And what if we're just like being experimented on and we're not even in the sky? Sarah's like girl, like she in the movie, sarah goes, because that doesn't happen in real life. Also, my dad doesn't know that I'm here, which they're all really they're all really mad about yes um, yeah, and then doesn't she overdose on whatever pills yeah, she overdoses on sleeping pills, which doesn't really go anywhere because, like literally 60 seconds later, they save her life.

Captain:

Um which I was like guys. She wanted to go out peacefully, painlessly, just just let her go. Y'all not getting out of this plane, um. So, anyway, I think I think the biggest um like hit that they take is around this time where they looks like they're flying into a monster's mouth yes, and it was black yes, and sarah has some type of dream thing.

Captain:

But then she wakes up, um to the plane, basically nose diving um and around, this time like she kind of tries to steer the plane, but then a fucking monster with tentacle arms attacks the plane and grabs what Sal? Oh, grabs Mel first. Yes, Just like sucks her out.

Wilson:

Yes, and then Sal gets sucked out.

Captain:

Sal, yeah, I think he gets sucked out because he was trying to. I don't. He's like he's going full. He's like not making sense because mel gets attacked by tentacle arms and he looks over at bruce and was like this is all your fault, even though bruce is sitting in a corner.

Captain:

I mean it is all his fault he doesn't know that yeah, um, and tries to, tries to uh, kick bruce out of the plane. But, um, in saving sarah and saving him, I think sal gets kind of sucked out of the plane. Um, but bruce, sarah, at this point sarah has lost all of her close friends, all of them dead yeah so she's like oh my god, this is all my fault, I'm the responsible party, I'm the captain, which is like true, very true made a lot of bad decisions even you said that you were like girly paw.

Captain:

So are we. But it's your fault, sweetie. Um, but no, bruce does say no, I don't think this is your fault, I think it's my fault. Um, I basically hallucinate, um make have these, these vivid hallucinations when I'm in fear and because of my traumatic past, I basically can create active real-life things from my imagination.

Wilson:

Yes, right.

Captain:

It's like a superpower, basically A very scary one. Um, so he was saying, like look at this, sarah. Uh, the comic that he was gifted that day, that got partially destroyed. It's literally, it's what's happening in the comic like word for word, frame by frame, word for word. Verbatim is what was happening in the comic, like word for word, frame by frame, word for word. Verbatim is what was happening in the movie this whole time, like they show scenes of it where it's like the words that sarah said they're already written in the comic by a girl that's like somewhat looks like her and all the other characters all in the comic. It's so crazy, like it's very meta. You're like what the fuck is going on? This movie is like giving story well he also uses the example.

Wilson:

When he was younger. The whole reason he got first got in the crash is because he saw like a magazine on the plane about plane accidents. Which who would put that in there?

Captain:

but like that, that the accident he saw in that magazine is the one that happened to him as a kid oh yeah, that's right, because it that they were calling it like a ghost plane, like planes don't just appear out of nowhere in the sky, but it did because he basically um, like brought it into being. What's that word I'm looking for, like he like materialized it, yeah, yeah yeah, I materialized it, yes, through his imagination. Um so he's doing the same thing with his cynical monster arm.

Wilson:

Not on purpose, but yes, yeah, wow.

Captain:

Not on purpose, not like consciously on purpose. Yeah, maybe like subconsciously, but yeah, I kind of stopped taking notes around this time because the movie was getting really good.

Wilson:

But well, I think, like yeah. So she's like okay, well, you can use this to get us out of it, because like they're running out of gas and the monster's like in front of them or something yes, yeah, and it gets the point.

Captain:

Like you get to you, you get the final scene of the monster where it's like full scene and it's just like I don't even know how to describe it like a. It's kind of like an upside down, like like from stranger things. Upside down, monster, slash, octopus, squid, um, very dark, very big, very scary, like very scary. It basically like uh breaks through the windshield and tries to pull sarah out. Um, oh, this is what happens. And in the middle of sarah being, she's being tugged out by a tentacle around her waist and in her arms she's trying to hold herself, um, with like bruce trying to hold on to her, trying to keep her in the plane, and she goes, bruce, like she gives a whole spiel, a whole speech or whatever, and she's like bruce. You know you need to use your imagination to zap us out of here and bring us somewhere else. Um, you know, imagine yourself back with your mom.

Wilson:

So he kind of like well, that's the, that's the second time, right the first time she, she kisses him and they're like brought out of the storm oh, that was the first time, I think so yeah, and then he's like wait, you didn't mean it, and they're brought back into the storm.

Captain:

That scene was creepy, because sarah is yeah, you're right, there was like they're they're dealing with the storm and she kisses him to kind of break him out of his terror and it's like a beautiful day outside. Yeah, so it's kind of proof that yes, that Bruce is doing this. And then the second time, yeah, he was just like you didn't really mean that.

Wilson:

Kiss Sarah.

Captain:

Is he trying to die? So back to Storm Leontes. Yeah, I don't, it's giving like. Yeah, I don't, it's giving like psychopath. I don't know, bruce is not all there.

Wilson:

No, like, don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to, and that's exactly what he did.

Captain:

And also don't seek out the daughter of a woman that you claim ruined your life. I don't know so, yes, so in his trying to get out of where they are dying in the sky at this monster, he imagines himself back with his mom, which they are back in a plane and it's clear outside and it this scene really shocked me because you find out that the um where they are is. They are the plane that bruce and sarah's mom ran into in the middle of the sky, like I don't even know.

Wilson:

20 years ago, I think you said 10, and I was like how old are you um?

Captain:

but yeah, that is crazy. I was like shook, totally shook. I was not expecting that. I was like, ah, like I don't know, it's so cool to be like yo. They wore the plane, they were the problem plane this whole time.

Wilson:

Yes, but this time they did not crash, at least like into each other.

Captain:

But, you see, those two like basically they run out of gas and the engines are done and they like accept their fate I'm trying to not be blurry um, yes, they, they basically can dodge the plane because they like understood what was happening right before it happened. Um, I I will say this like gives some questions as to the timeline and the time continuum, but anyway, um, a lot of movies do that, but, um, yeah, they basically the I don't think you really see them. It's like ambiguous about how they. But the movie ends with a scene of Sarah's mom landing safely on the ground and she's like 10 years ago, hugging her family, and then Sarah and Bruce meeting as children.

Wilson:

Yes.

Captain:

That's basically it.

Wilson:

So I view that as during the scene in the background you see smoke. So, I think the plane of the older version, I think it crashed and they died, but it ends up not mattering because the timeline's different. So it's kind of like a happy ending.

Captain:

Yeah, it does. It's giving happy ending. I mean, I'm just surprised by what a cool story they could do. That's all.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

Also, you hear the idea that this whole movie, the setting is inside of a microplane and're like this sounds so stupid as fuck but honestly, when you're watching it's kind of refreshing.

Wilson:

I was like okay, because it is risky to do but like they play with the space yes, they do, so I didn't feel like I wasn't annoyed of like okay, I'm tired of this. Um like set the whole time, so it worked out well.

Captain:

Yeah, I am. I love the like supernatural aspect of it, the horror aspect of it, the like mystery thriller, almost I don't know. It was very cool. I'm really blown away like cari props cari.

Wilson:

So I guess, what would you rate it then, if you like it so much?

Captain:

oh man, the rotten tomatoes is so, so low. Why the rotten tomatoes is the 24 yeah and critics. There's isn't even a critics because it's direct to tv. But listen, I would think I have. I would have to give this movie like a 75 wow, okay, I really liked it. I mean, it was so fun. It was so fun, um, you like can't tell what's real sometimes and you can't, I don't know. There's like so much, I don't know. I liked it. What about you?

Wilson:

I think for that quality of movie. I was definitely surprised at how like the story was like. Fairly solid. Uh, this is like one of the first times that the audience score on rotten tomatoes. I just don't. I think it's too low.

Captain:

This movie isn't fantastic, but I think you have to give it more credit than a 24 yeah, like I mean the acting could have been a little bit better, for sure, if they had more money to do more with the special effects, sure, but like it's good, like they're just wrong I.

Wilson:

I think I would give this a, a 57 okay, why so low? I mean, I think that's fine. It's not like a I'm not gonna go tell everyone to go like watch this movie, or I don't think it's like some of the acting is stale. Overall it's good, but like I think, for a c or a d movie. This was like very good this.

Captain:

This had to have been like a d directed to t yeah.

Wilson:

So like I mean, I think 57 is generous yeah, for what you're expecting, but for what you actually got.

Captain:

I'm trying to talk you up. So there was no really theatrical release, so we don't really have a box office. It does say it took approximately 3.5 million to make. Um, and then is this hot goose, the only hot goose like did you check imbd for? Yeah, there really wasn't like nothing, yeah I mean, it's a tiny itsy bitsy movie oh wait, so it does.

Wilson:

It does tell us the type of plane we were talking about earlier piper chef chieftain, chieftain yeah, um, I thought it was interesting. I just thought it was interesting that the they obviously they didn't film in the plane while it was flying, so they they used a salvaged airframe for like the whole movie set. There's those small light twin piper chief tan, yeah um it says the majority of the sequences in the air were cgi work.

Captain:

No kidding, but yeah, like what like I said, that the probably the best thing they could have done to make this movie even a higher score. For me is yeah, have more money to make the cgi look good. Yeah, because it didn't look great.

Wilson:

But no, but it wasn't terrible either.

Captain:

No for 2010.

Wilson:

I'm like, yeah, that's probably on par we've seen higher budget movies with worse cgi, I think yeah, for sure.

Captain:

Oh, I do want to know. Do you have a rag, by the way?

Wilson:

shite, I was just thinking about that. Um, um, I mean, besides, I feel like the like, for sure you like when they see you realize they're passing the original plane oh like besides that um blew me away I mean like the girl getting like out of nowhere sucked out of the window, or like pulled out the window was fun no yeah, I guess like nothing really like jumps out at me, but there were like some good moments yeah, the yeah.

Captain:

I think we both agree like the best moment is them realizing that they were the plane from 10 years ago, because Bruce like imagined them back into the past. So cool, um, but I, yeah, if I had to pick some other ones, I. There were two lines that Sal said that made me chuckle. The one where he was like this is, this is after you know, like this is towards the end of all the panic and the plane's already in terrible shape. And Sal's like okay, sarah, we've been going, we've been descending supposedly for about 20 minutes. And he goes what is it? The altimeter says that we should be in fucking outer space right now. So where's the ground? I don't know. That little line made me laugh. And also, sarah says, like I didn't tell my dad that we were coming to this. And they were like Sarah, what the fuck? Like, why wouldn't you tell your dad? And she goes well, he's paranoid that I'm going to die, just like my mom, and he doesn't trust me. And Sal goes oh gee, I wonder why, sarah.

Wilson:

I deserve that.

Captain:

Although Sal is a terrible person and I would absolutely never be friends with them. Those lines made me laugh. But I mean they're in like full panic, terrible time right now. So, but yeah, this movie has absolutely no business being this good and I would absolutely recommend it, and I'm like I don't even know what's happening right now wow, okay.

Wilson:

Well, you know, if you had letterbox, you give that five stars oh my gosh, you love planes.

Captain:

You're plane man, you don't?

Wilson:

I mean I don't, I'm just surprised I mean that makes it sound like Snakes on a Plane should be my favorite movie of all time.

Captain:

I mean basically.

Wilson:

You could see. Maybe it is on my Letterboxd, if you got Letterboxd Anatomy.

Captain:

Oh my gosh, what do I get if I get on Letterboxd A cookie?

Wilson:

Hell yeah, I mean, if you want one.

Captain:

I'll take a cookie. Hell yeah, I mean, if you want one, I'll take a cookie. Uh, cookies, um okay, so I'm trying to, um, do you have? Man?

Wilson:

there's really no hot goose go see it's like that's the goose the goose is the goose is good cooked cooked and it ate uh, yeah, I mean, I yeah, not no goose on that and um, yeah, overall pretty good movie. Surprised me, you got me. I think I probably liked it better than the next week's.

Captain:

Yeah same. Yeah. So, speaking of next week, we're doing the Devil's Candy, which is supposed to have really good reviews.

Wilson:

And it was released in 2015, 16, 17, somewhere around that. I feel like every source I looked at it was like a different date and I had to double check that I was watching the right movie no-transcript. So yeah, they, they do play around well, it just made me mad because, well, because, like, when I saw the second date I was like fine, sure, like it happens. And then when I looked somewhere else and it said 2016, I was like really you can't just how?

Wilson:

how is it you can't say it's three, both, like all those years?

Captain:

version one, two, three. Yeah, you ever get the updates.

Wilson:

Maybe they just wanted like a chance to the oscars, like all three years I guess they maybe different awards different award shows razzy every year oh my gosh, what was that movie that won all the razzies? Um, you don't mean like gothica, or didn't that, didn't you know?

Captain:

a recent movie that we did that won, like all the razzies oh, I don't remember well, not this movie. This movie is good. Okay, yeah, that's all I really got, that's all you got.

Wilson:

Oh, I think it was Winnie the Pooh. I feel like Winnie the Pooh oh, it was, you're right. You're 100% right blood and honey, okay, so what were you saying I?

Captain:

feel like that's all I got and I feel like the advice this week is really, really Blood and honey, blood and honey. Okay, so what were you saying? That's all I got, and I feel like the advice of this week is really, really straightforward.

Wilson:

Which is, which is On the same page, maybe?

Captain:

Don't get in a plane with an inexperienced pilot and don't fucking bother them while they're working.

Wilson:

that's great advice everybody should follow yeah, honestly, I think in no like no scenario. If one of my friends was like I'll fly somewhere, I'm not gonna get in a plane that anyone that I know is flying like I don't know just you don't trust them I just asking for trouble yeah, yeah, I don't want to be involved.

Captain:

I want the pilot to be somebody I'll never meet and I'll never talk to, and they're just like a blur somewhere in the cockpit behind a wall and they're experienced and that's how it should be. So, anyway, always do that when you're flying.