I Trapped the Devil

Welcome to our holiday episode and the season finale! The film discussion begins around 30:20.

Can you imagine being stalked by a gigantic cat just because you didn't get new clothes for Christmas? Join us as we unravel the mysterious legend of Iceland's Yule Cat, a creature used to incentivize productivity among Icelandic farm workers in the 1800s. With a sprinkle of humor and curiosity, we explore how this peculiar tradition has evolved into a modern-day celebration in Reykjavik, where a 16-foot sculpture of the Yule Cat stands watch. Our exploration even includes a whimsical gift exchange that prompts a chuckle at the quirks of holiday gift-giving.

Switching gears, we brainstorm a wildly imaginative TV show concept that blends science fiction with sitcom vibes. Picture Little Tony and Fred navigating through time portals and exotic alien planets—all set against the backdrop of Brooklyn. We chuckle over potential casting dilemmas and rights issues, envisioning a world of conventions and fan interactions. As if that wasn't intriguing enough, we touch upon the unsettling character from the film "Creep," played by Mark Duplass, offering a unique twist to our creative brainstorm.

Our adventure in indie horror films takes a suspenseful turn with a storyline featuring a devil trapped in a basement. We critique the atmospheric tension and pacing, offering candid reactions to the film's execution and exploring the allure of atmospheric storytelling. We reflect on how the film's intriguing premise could have benefited from a lengthier runtime and more dialogue. Our discussion culminates in a playful rating game, revealing our mixed feelings about this mysterious film while hinting at exciting plans for the next season.

Transcript

Captain 0:18

one year later. All right, how's it going? It's going pretty well welcome to christmas christmas and we're together for christmas a whole family gathering um, you have something for moi.

Wilson 0:35

I I do so. It was a topic, I think, I mentioned in a previous episode. Maybe, maybe okay um, have you ever heard of the Yule Cat? Yeah, no, I think I saw this from an Instagram meme and it sounded like a joke, so I looked it up and it's real. So Yule Cat is Icelandic Christmas lore, so it's a huge and vicious cat that is said to lurk in the snowy countryside.

Captain 1:07

Why is it twice the size of a house?

Wilson 1:11

I mean, you're not going to have a house cat be like this scary monster. It has to be enormous.

Captain 1:18

Bruh twice the size of a house.

Wilson 1:21

But the thing about it is it eats people who did not receive new clothing before christmas eve. So if you don't get new clothes for christmas, you're gone wait.

Captain 1:33

Why like? Why is iceland like it's new clothes or bust?

Wilson 1:39

I don't know. So there is another version of the story where it just eats your food if you don't get new clothes.

Captain 1:46

So it spares you, but you will starve. Yes, okay, but I am curious.

Wilson 1:52

I didn't look up like why, like you know, usually these stories teach a lesson to kids to be good, or but it's like oh, it just kills the less fortunate. That's kind of what it seems like.

Captain 2:08

Yeah, I'm looking right now and it's from a book from the 1800s, but it says that the author of the book didn't really give a source for the story either.

Wilson 2:19

Okay, wait, I do see now what they're talking about. It was used as a threat and incentive for farm workers to finish processing the wool that they collected that fall bro, not the farmers.

Captain 2:31

They already have so much to do they spreaded this.

Wilson 2:34

Sorry, they spread this they spreaded they spreaded for like adult farm workers like usually, it's like a kid thing.

Captain 2:41

What does it even mean? They spreaded.

Wilson 2:42

They spread like what they like the story. Does that even mean they spread it? They spread what?

Captain 2:45

The story spread.

Wilson 2:47

Well yeah, they created the story to incentivize farm workers to-.

Captain 2:50

Okay, here's my question Farm workers are adults.

Wilson 2:54

Most likely, unless they have little child workers.

Captain 2:56

And they're believing in the Yule Cat.

Wilson 3:00

Maybe it was the farmers that did it for their farm workers.

Captain 3:04

And those people are not also adults?

Wilson 3:08

Maybe not, maybe not.

Captain 3:12

I guess this is before the age of the internet, so who knows?

Wilson 3:14

I think it's pretty old. It's folklore, so it says 1860. Well, okay, 1862, maybe.

Captain 3:24

Wow, in 2018, they put up a sculpture of a Yule Cat.

Wilson 3:27

Where.

Captain 3:28

In Christmas decorations. Dude, don't ask me to pronounce this Rækjavik.

Wilson 3:33

Oh, rækjavik Iceland.

Captain 3:35

I only know that because somebody went there. Is that how you say Y-K-J next to each other?

Wilson 3:40

I guess I just know somebody that went there and they said it was pronounced Reykjavik.

Captain 3:46

You and all your friends.

Wilson 3:49

It was a friend.

Captain 3:50

Well, they put up a 16-foot statue of it.

Wilson 3:54

I'm going to have to see it.

Captain 3:56

Let's go, let's read Podcast on the road.

Wilson 4:01

Just to see this Yule Cat.

Captain 4:02

The Yule Cat. Some of the ways that this is um illustrated very, very beautiful yeah, this.

Wilson 4:09

Okay, I'm looking up the picture of the sculpture and that was terrifying.

Captain 4:12

Oh, that's like red eyes I mean if it's supposed to scare you into knitting it's the big uh knitting industry. Yeah, yeah, it's like big pharma, but yeah, big knit yeah, um, okay, well, I guess let me know if you'll kind of ever visits you in the night yeah, I mean, I don't really. I guess I get clothes for christmas now so I'm in danger if I don't, I actually I'm getting clothes for Christmas too.

Wilson 4:45

You already know what you're getting for Christmas.

Captain 4:47

Well, this was a purchase that was made with my approval.

Wilson 4:52

Okay.

Captain 4:54

I feel like, and I'm glad I was asked for approval hey Jay's on the podcast.

Jay 4:59

Hey, jay, speaking of approval Wait what.

Captain 5:04

I don't know. You think you've been approved to join.

Jay 5:09

Yeah, I guess so. Or needing approval from my peers. Talk about a fashion emergency being like the day before Christmas.

Captain 5:17

And it's like I don't have any new clothes. I also have one thing that I do want to give you on the podcast.

Wilson 5:24

Oh wow.

Captain 5:28

I just think that it's podcast related.

Wilson 5:31

Should I shake it? It's making a lot of noise, perhaps, so I should open it up, yeah.

Captain 5:41

Really get that tear in the mic.

Jay 5:43

Did you know I was going to be on this episode before you got the gift? Because, there's only one gift here.

Captain 5:52

I can't show this to anyone I know oh, I wonder if we could put it on the insta it's an alien's alien and he can build it like he likes to do. I really liked this, because I should have pulled this up, but I even have the saliva dripping down.

Wilson 6:07

Yeah, it's its own lego piece.

Captain 6:10

Yes, oh my god, thank you um, yeah, it's like a you build the alien. I wasn't sure if you had one of those I definitely do not okay, okay, um, thank you but I really liked on the on the website sells it. I was wondering if I could pull this picture up, but one of the pictures in the ad was this, where they just have it propped on two books and I was like this is not this is so Wilson coded.

Jay 6:34

It is so Wilson coded. Very derpy I was like.

Wilson 6:38

I can do it. That is so cool. Thank you.

Jay 6:41

I'm assuming my present got lost in the mail.

Captain 6:46

Very unfortunate, cool. Thank you. I'm assuming my present got lost in the mail. Very unfortunate. You know you're gonna have to talk to the manager. Yeah, I will.

Jay 6:50

Yeah, I will. I will talk to the manager, you're already on thin ice.

Wilson 6:52

So good luck with that conversation I think sternly worded email he's gonna need a name, especially if I sit him on a pile of books like that picture, like that that gives like fred, energy, like, or or something along those lines.

Jay 7:05

Two mouth Tony.

Wilson 7:06

Two mouth, tony Two mouth.

Jay 7:08

Yeah, they have two mouths.

Wilson 7:10

Oh, oh, the little mouth, so like maybe Fred and little Tony, and little Tony is like the.

Jay 7:16

Little.

Captain 7:17

Tony, ah, tony, tony, tony, yeah, yeah, he's like.

Jay 7:19

Hey how you doing.

Captain 7:21

Oh yeah, Give me like a, I'm little Tony.

Jay 7:25

Hey how you doing. Yeah, your brains look real good over there, so I'm gonna chow down.

Wilson 7:31

So I feel like that means fred has, I think, like a british accent, and then little tony's like little tony's from like brooklyn or that is very proper, he's really like

Jay 7:40

I'm a gentleman this is like the makings of a sitcom. And then little tony pops out.

Captain 7:47

He's from old england, he's from new england yeah, this quirky yeah quirky duo hashtag xenomorph just a xenomorph trying to make it in the city.

Jay 7:59

I mean I would watch that oh yeah, I would watch the shit.

Wilson 8:05

So does it get a laugh track like does that make it oh better?

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Captain 8:09

like it's almost a satire sitcom yeah I think it makes it, I kind of like that, yeah, yeah it would. Um, I think it would play really well and honestly it's giving like a robot chicken skit yeah, I was just thinking that, yeah, like a robot, chicken skit.

Wilson 8:22

They just turned to a tv show like I don't think it could go for eight seasons or anything like that, but at least seven. I was thinking maybe like one, I mean that far in little.

Captain 8:33

Tony is getting married, Fred's getting married.

Jay 8:35

They're having kids.

Wilson 8:37

I mean. So do you think they're like in human culture, or is it like?

Captain 8:44

an alien planet? No, no, they're, they're. They're like in manhattan, but they're in like brooklyn trying to make it okay. It's like two people with aliens.

Wilson 8:51

I thought it was like maybe they were raised around other aliens, but like or like, they're on an alien planet, but they were raised in on earth and then they're like it oh, the, the invert yeah. So I don't, I don't know Whoa. I feel like that'd be tough. We have some options.

Captain 9:04

Yeah, that'd be tough, that'd be a big budget sitcom they have like season six, they go through a time portal and they have to live on the xenomorph planet for a season, and then they realize that they're too humanized and they have to go back to Earth.

Wilson 9:16

Yeah, it's like.

Jay 9:17

Jack like we have to go back.

Wilson 9:22

That could work.

Captain 9:23

That could work I mean, if it's seven seasons in, we got, I mean we gotta, you know, play with one season no there's a lot.

Jay 9:28

Seven seasons you're at the bottom of the barrel. Full cheese at that. Yeah, definitely.

Wilson 9:34

It's like xenomorph bats are all right at that point I think we could also do like a half season arc where they have a shift rotation on the nostromo and they're like guys, this isn't working out, it's not scary enough.

Captain 9:47

Nobody's dying, yeah, yeah, yeah you know the little crawly creatures face huggers face huggers would have to come into play at some point.

Wilson 9:56

I just see one of those smoking a cigarette oh, they're like co-workers one of it's claws, the world's biggest cigarette, it's just basically one giant hand.

Captain 10:08

He's like the line cook in some pizza shop that little Tony ends up working in at some point.

Wilson 10:13

It's just a neighborhood in Brooklyn Fred's like.

Captain 10:20

Matty has to be there because he's like. I'm trying to do something really important.

Jay 10:23

This is going to become the show within the show for you guys. This is turning into a real show, though.

Wilson 10:29

Give us some good groundwork.

Jay 10:30

Tune in next week for what happens to little Tony. What's the name, fred?

Captain 10:36

Yeah, Fred's a proper Englishman.

Wilson 10:39

We'll never get the rights to this, but that would be it. I'm into this show now. We the rights to this, but that would be it.

Jay 10:44

I'm into this show now.

Captain 10:44

We're halfway there, I'm pretty sure I just got a text that was a cease and desist from Ridley Scott. Ridley Scott himself, wow.

Wilson 10:53

Okay, so I think we need to get Sigourney as a guest on the podcast and tell her our idea for this show.

Captain 10:59

See what she thinks. Yeah, we're friends. I'll call Siggy.

Wilson 11:02

We got one person so far.

Captain 11:03

Maybe we can like get I'll call her she actually suggested that lego set oh right, yeah, she like gave you that idea, she like literally crafted it yeah, it's actually signed, I see it on the side, if you brought that to a thing where she would sign things. Do you think she would sign the box?

Wilson 11:30

If I'm giving her money. I feel like she's going to sign it.

Captain 11:34

She's so cool. She's cool. I do like her. Get away from her, you bitch.

Wilson 11:39

I don't think she does cons, though Probably not. She's a little too like above that, I feel like she's at an age now where she's like I don't need any of that. That's true.

Jay 11:50

I feel like some actors they're just not into it, Like you kind of have to be into it, Like it's a lot. You go to those conventions, You're kind of surged by a lot of people.

Captain 12:09

I've only been to like oh, 80 of these people I hate, so it's just really cringe your fellow fans. It's really cringe. People just want to hang out and I maybe not all conventions are like that, but sometimes I'm like, oh my gosh, I would not be friends with any of these people that are around me right now I think they they probably just see all walks of life, so they just need to be like.

Wilson 12:21

It's probably is a lot to like. Yeah, they need to be okay with just like interacting with anyone did you watch style 2?

Captain 12:27

not yet. Oh then I can't say what I was gonna say you know, the scene in style 2 that I was gonna talk about.

Jay 12:31

I do know the scene as well, as you were talking about, but because I don't like to do spoilers, I won't bring it up jesus, I'm not a criminal.

Captain 12:40

Okay, do you want to pop? Do you want to like say what you were gonna say, jay, because jay wanted to say something oh, I did have a little little tidbit um.

Jay 12:48

So one of my, yeah um, one of the one of my favorite movies, creep um by mark duplass, has a tv show called the creep tapes starring mark duplass returning to his role is. I can't actually remember the name of the character, he's just the serial killer Does he have a name.

Captain 13:09

I think his name changed. He tells people different names.

Jay 13:12

I don't think he ever gives his real name, the only name that we really get is that scuttlebutt.

Captain 13:16

What's that wolf's name?

Jay 13:17

Oh, Mr Peach Fuzz.

Captain 13:18

Peach Fuzz.

Wilson 13:19

Yeah, name, we really get fake names dying creep, no, no he ends up just killing everybody okay, so it's creep tapes the creep takes are cool, or is it like?

Jay 13:29

it's like prequel.

Captain 13:30

So basically he has in the creep movie he you end up seeing his shelf where he has hundreds of vhs tapes with different people's names on it of other people that he's, that he's trapped, that he's, you know, conned into coming and filming him and then he ends up killing them. So the the creep tapes are literally that it's 23 minute episodes of his vhs tapes, like as if they were pulled directly off of his okay in his house and we're watching now.

Jay 13:57

Right now it's currently airing. It's like episode five just came out by the time this comes out.

Captain 14:01

Yeah, it'll be six, five or six. It'll be five or so. You've watched it so far, yeah we're watching it actually, yeah, and it's cool.

Wilson 14:06

What's it on?

Jay 14:07

It's definitely cool, it's ooh, amc Plus or something AMC Plus, I think. Maybe it's like maybe Something weird Showtime, maybe. I don't know, but what I would do is wait until it's done airing and then get the free trial and then watch it all. Oh yeah, Just binge it.

Captain 14:30

But they're short, they're like 23 minutes and you get that same creep feeling without being sucked into a whole movie and it like practice these different roles that he wants to do. When he like hires somebody to come film him, he like does a different character every single time and it's like really cool to see it.

Wilson 14:55

I think I need to re-watch Creep before I watch the show.

Jay 14:57

I would re-watch Creep 1, and if you haven't seen Creep 2, do you watch Creed 2? You?

Captain 15:01

don't have to. I just know that.

Jay 15:02

Jay loves the movie. No, I do, and they do a lot. They play a lot more in the series because they're short form and they're just little episodes. So if it's a bad idea, at least it's not a two-hour bad idea. Right, it's only 20 minutes. So I think one of the episodes I particularly did not like the most recent, I think the most recent one where he's yeah, I didn't like that one, but most of them are actually are pretty good and the first episode of the season is really good. I have a feeling they just use the best one to get people to suck in, but I really like that one, that middle one.

Captain 15:31

I don't want to give too much away but, um, he's playing a I. I don't think this gives. He's playing a priest oh, that is.

Jay 15:37

That role is so funny.

Captain 15:39

It is funny because you can he just he's so bad at playing a priest.

Jay 15:44

But it's intentional.

Captain 15:45

He's very that you're like, is this just a really weird priest that's trying to be like cooling down with it? Yeah, and but yeah, it's really good.

Wilson 15:51

I I honestly forget. Are these all airbnb guests or whatever it's?

Jay 15:55

a, it's, it's just different stuff, like a craigslist.

Captain 15:58

Usually it's usually not always. Usually it's like he hires somebody to like film something he wants to do, and what he's asking them to film is always different. But he just gets them there, makes them wildly uncomfortable for a couple of hours and then yeah.

Jay 16:13

And typically, when you think about it, one of the creepy parts is like man, someone could really do this. They could just rent out an Airbnb and then invite you to it and pretend it's their house using a fake name, and then you're done yeah, just leave there's like oops so yeah so that's it would be an incredible serial killer.

Captain 16:32

Yeah, but as I've mentioned before, mark duplass has a creepy fucking face and if I met him in real life at like a convention, I don't think I could see him any other way. Besides, he's a serial killer.

Jay 16:43

He can do a really good creepy stare like a really good.

Captain 16:45

I don't think I could see him any other way. Besides, he's a serial killer. He can do a really good creepy stare. I don't think I could see him as a regular person.

Wilson 16:48

You did say he is a regular character in the Morning Show. The Morning Show Interesting.

Captain 16:51

Yeah, I haven't watched that yet.

Wilson 16:54

I would say watch that season one. You're probably good.

Captain 16:59

You're probably good.

Wilson 17:00

You could continue, but it's like no A season maybe it could continue, but it's like a season, maybe one and two, or like a story in itself.

Captain 17:07

Oh, ok, I also wanted to talk about that movie that we finally both watched called Heretic. Are you dying? No, yeah, I loved how creepy Heretic was. The slow burn yes.

Wilson 17:25

The unsure if what he's saying is real it was a little like it played out a little differently than I expected, Like I thought it was going to be like maybe a little more super, super naturally not like a um like uh, figure out like not murder mystery, but like kind of like one of those you're figuring out what's going on.

Captain 17:52

It was like a plan the whole time, right. Oh okay, I don't know. I liked the.

Wilson 17:54

I liked the way it was like initially shown and then the reveal at the end. Yes, spoiler. I um I did not expect uh, sophie, or like the girl from yellow jackets, her to just like die.

Captain 18:03

So early or quickly.

Wilson 18:06

I think that was the trick too, like you thought she was going to be the one that would, if anyone survive. Yeah, and that way it was good.

Captain 18:14

We were watching in theaters, though, and I like at the certain like like the thriller suspense parts, I mean, it was like dead silent in there, like people were in it.

Jay 18:24

No, it's very good. I, I, I really like the, the ending. I I kind of was like you, like you mentioned, I wish there was more to it, you know. But again, it's kind of hard when you build up that much suspense and there's so much mystery. It's like it's kind of hard to deliver when the the build-ups so well executed. But I, I still really like the movie and you know, and Hugh Grant is a really good villain.

Captain 18:46

He's played a lot of good villains actually recently. Kind of makes me want to kick him in the nuts.

Jay 18:51

He's good. Yeah, it's just a fun movie. I don't know what I was expecting, but it's just. They really, really kind of make you deeply unsettled, like from the beginning where they turn that candle and it's blueberry pie and it's like, oh crap.

Wilson 19:04

unsettled, like from the beginning, where they turn that candle and it's blueberry pie and it's like, oh crap, oh yeah, it's like we're not leaving. I think the trailer gave that away, but it was. I didn't see the trailer. So that happened and I was like oh, really makes a bitch.

Captain 19:12

Want that candle my favorite.

Wilson 19:14

They do sell it 824, I know, but I'm like I could buy a blueberry oh yeah, that's way better and way cheaper, probably like shit on.

Captain 19:21

824 is merch. I don't know if I've ever bought it personally.

Wilson 19:25

I have seen on Reddit some people complain about the merch. It's like are you serious right now?

Captain 19:29

Yeah, that's why I haven't actually pulled the trigger on any of it.

Jay 19:33

Yeah, Well, my favorite part of that movie and this is a spoiler, but is when they go back to his room and he's kind of giving them their whole rundown. It's very clear something's wrong and that this person has at least some malicious intent. They're begging him like please just get your wife out of here I cannot be here.

Jay 19:51

We need a wife, we need a woman. He's like, alright, I'll go get my wife. He's like well, I'll go get my wife, if you still believe she's in that room back there, and I'm just like it's like, oh yeah, it's like you couldn't think of a worse thing, you. You could hear in that moment it's like oh no.

Wilson 20:08

I think I wanted that movie to be like an actual test of faith for the girls like I wanted it to play out like maybe there was a supernatural component, like they were actually tested, whether they really believed or not, not like just a guy that really liked being in control of people.

Captain 20:25

Yeah, cause that's what it ended up being, and you, you think it is a test of their faith, right?

Wilson 20:31

I guess to some degree. But like for him, he was like he was just saying what he could like get people to do, like yeah, Cause he's like.

Jay 20:39

master plan was like he gets them to believe in a miracle and then ends up making them one of his disciples, that gets stuck in that dungeon. Yeah, but like I thought it was going to be more like okay, one of these paths will actually set you free, but are you willing to be truthful to yourself enough to take it? Yes, like, are you just going to walk through the belief door Because, even though you know for a fact that there's no way that you're going to get out that way, are you going to actually be honest with yourself and go through the agnostic door or whatever? It didn't end up being that way. It wasn't a bad movie. Still, I really liked the idea. I liked Little Butterfly on the very end.

Captain 21:12

Yeah, Her sister lands on her.

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Jay 21:16

I really liked that movie. I just didn't know anything about it. I just heard it was good. I went in without knowing anything. I was pleasantly surprised.

Captain 21:23

Grant is something.

Jay 21:25

Definitely.

Wilson 21:26

Hugh Grant. I haven't seen him in anything recently besides that. Well, I did see him in Wonka.

Jay 21:32

Oh, I haven't seen Wonka. Was it good? I actually liked it.

Wilson 21:35

I was like very apprehensive, but it ended up being good.

Jay 21:40

Tim Tay is a very talented actor. Tim Tay, he's nothing like the character he plays. I mean he plays some like crazy you know like he plays like a lot of like royalty in a lot of movies. He's a very talented actor but in person he's like kind of like just a chill guy.

Captain 21:55

I think he's just like a dude, like yeah, he's just a dude Like he's into college, uh football yeah, he seems like gibby ohio are shocked by how much he knows and he's laying down stats and stuff and they're like what though? What? Like?

Wilson 22:13

they are shocked that this kid is like he's following it all because it's probably what he likes did you see he did, or like there was somebody organized a timothy chalamet like lookalike contest in new york in like washington square park and he was there he showed up, he like heard about it so like he took a picture with the winners of like the look-alike contest.

Captain 22:34

People knew it was actually him.

Wilson 22:36

Like, oh yeah, like I think he just he showed up like it was independently organized people, just like, hey, if you look like him, show up like sometimes, celebrities enter this contest and they don't win. I heard Dolly Parton. I don't think he entered, he just heard it was happening and he showed up and then it was like, yeah, I'll take a picture with you.

Captain 22:54

Did the winners actually look like him?

Wilson 22:57

Pretty close, I think. Yeah, they all looked like variations of him. Nobody I don't think was like oh, that's timmy.

Jay 23:03

Yeah, that little timmy it's hard to recognize celebrities like in person. Like tony hawk talks about all the time how people will be like hey, you look like tony hawk, he's like I am tony hawk and they're like good one.

Captain 23:15

It's like okay yeah, I think I've heard tony hawk say something along the lines of like people, you know he'll be like skidding around. They're like wow, you're really good for like you know for like yeah, for like an older guy and he's like. Then they say something along the lines of like you know, was tony hawk one of your heroes and he was like, well, not, not really it's me, but I guess they're all picture they're like in their mind.

Jay 23:42

He is like 20 years ago. I mean, that's the best way to be famous is like you're famous but no one recognizes you. Yes, that's really great.

Captain 23:55

Oh, I see these.

Wilson 23:56

Yeah, they kind of look like him, but not, yeah, they're like the winner. Winner. I was like I think there were others that were better, but Wow, they didn't get your vote.

Jay 24:04

Huh, Nope, nope nope, it's all rigged.

Captain 24:07

Is there anything?

Wilson 24:08

Oh, you have one other thing here. Oh, just really quickly, did you see, abigail?

Captain 24:11

No.

Wilson 24:12

Oh, that was actually pretty good, that's the ballet thing.

Captain 24:15

Yeah, it was on our list.

Wilson 24:16

I thought the trailer gave away too much, but actually it was more than I expected.

Captain 24:20

It ended up being better than that.

Wilson 24:21

Should I add this to?

Captain 24:22

my letterbox now that I'm boxing yeah.

Jay 24:25

Is it a horror movie? Yeah, the last dancing horror movie I saw was Suspiria.

Wilson 24:29

Okay, I'll say it is not. The girl in the focus of the movie is technically a dancer, but it's not a dancing movie.

Jay 24:37

Oh, okay. Well, I don't think Suspiria was weird.

Wilson 24:40

Okay. Well, it's like she maybe dances in a few scenes, but it's not. Dancing is involved, I guess. But I like Suspiria a lot Okay yeah, no, it's more like a kidnapping heist type movie.

Jay 24:51

Oh, it's not like Demonic, which is Coven.

Wilson 24:54

I'm not going to answer that question, oh, okay.

Jay 24:58

Someone kidnapped the devil in a ballerina's studio huh. Yeah, maybe it's on a theme with this movie?

Captain 25:04

Yeah, maybe Unless they're filming a door for 60 minutes. Can I talk about the fact that I really like this?

Wilson 25:13

spoiler alert oh my gosh drinks, yes, what do you drink?

Captain 25:17

I love this, this, um, I guess it's just bubbles and I need to be expand on the bubbles you're drinking.

Wilson 25:24

Uh, you're blowing bubbles around here, yeah well, I was told that.

Captain 25:28

I'm going to be a fake fan if I say the whole name.

Jay 25:31

Why would you be a fake fan?

Wilson 25:32

Just because I don't want to spell the company that makes it.

Captain 25:36

Rheingeist Bubbles.

Wilson 25:38

Wait, that's the company.

Captain 25:40

I guess, yeah, man.

Jay 25:45

It's rosé fruited. Ale it's so good, bro, Watch the skull on it.

Captain 25:49

I don't know, but it's bright and it's bubbly and it's apple and peach and cranberry.

Wilson 25:54

Are you just reading the description? I mean, what am I supposed to?

Captain 25:57

do Just come up from the top of the dome.

Wilson 25:59

What are you tasting? Put it on your palate. I'm tasting all of those.

Captain 26:06

Turn it sideways, stick your nose in it's all in there, the tannins or whatever tannins yeah, does that have tannins I have no idea those tannins are, I tell you if I was gonna win a million dollars and I had to give you the definition of what a tannin is I'd be like there are six tannins in this one.

Jay 26:24

Well, I've seen a tannin bed, so I assume it's something similar.

Wilson 26:29

How many tannins you got in that one.

Captain 26:31

I think it's a lot Like a 20 maybe. Yeah, I think like 21. Wow, yeah 50 tannins, easy, easy, I don't know what the fuck hops are, I don't know what tannins are, I don't know what none of that shit is yeah. I couldn't tell you. I thought hops were nuts, but apparently they're like green balls. What, what would you think?

Wilson 26:53

So I don't know nothing, but they're in there. Yeah, let's just say tannins are the percentage behind alcohol. Whenever you see in a can Like it's 16%, like 12% alcohol, it's like that's related to how many tannins are in there. Okay, yeah.

Captain 27:06

It's like a rough, like a correlation yeah like eight and a half tannins it's not at all.

Jay 27:12

It's really the vibe.

Captain 27:13

It's not at all correct guys.

Jay 27:14

It's really the vibe. I think you're being serious. I was like, oh, let me run. Oh no me waiter. How many tannins? Oh my god. I'm looking for ten, that wine place we went to yesterday.

Captain 27:29

I'm looking for ten is crazy.

Wilson 27:34

Okay, so if we go back to that wine bar, from yesterday. Oh my god bother that man that knows everything about wine. I really like when there's over ten or so tannins in it. He's going to be like actually you need to leave.

Jay 27:49

This is not for you. Get some. Franzia, you're good, you're for sure getting boxed wine if you come in there and be like I want 20 tannins on the table right now. Now I'm not leaving without them.

Captain 28:01

Double shot of tannins please.

Jay 28:03

Get this guy a Coke Zero and put some grenadine in it, I guess Perfect.

Captain 28:09

Well, they're in here.

Wilson 28:10

I like it.

Jay 28:11

What are you drinking I?

Wilson 28:13

got Surfside raspberry tea and vodka.

Captain 28:17

And it's not a Kona. I was going to say it's not a Kona.

Jay 28:21

You don't see one anywhere. Let the record show. I like the colors of that can.

Wilson 28:26

Well, I bet it tastes good, because I'm also drinking the Surfside.

Captain 28:30

It's really good. Wait, yours is a different color.

Jay 28:34

It's a different flavor.

Wilson 28:34

Yeah, you're right, oh it's peach tea and vodka. Oh yeah, it's a four-pack of different teas.

Jay 28:39

I was about to roast you and be like you, idiot, and about to like, roast you and be like you idiot and I was like oh wait, no they are? These are totally different colors. I just didn't know, I was like it's the exact same.

Wilson 28:52

No, it's a different camp. I mean they all kind of taste the same it's less into martin.

Captain 28:56

So that's about, yeah, I think they they do rank the same as below the drink that I'm drinking, which is number one they were like in terms of tannins.

Jay 29:06

I've heard so much about it, but I've actually never.

Wilson 29:08

Oh, you haven't tried the bubbles yet, I have not tried it.

Jay 29:10

It looks good.

Wilson 29:11

Just be ready for how many tannins are in there.

Captain 29:14

Yeah, did you cleanse the palate that smells?

Jay 29:15

like a 20 popper 20 popper, it's really good. There is some Somalia right now being like I won't never listen to this.

Captain 29:37

I keep thinking of that man yesterday.

Jay 29:39

He loves wine he was very knowledgeable.

Captain 29:44

I'm gonna be a dick bro. Hey, let me get some tannins over here. Tannins Anyone else? Tannins, three tannins Round of tannins. Sir, get out Sir how many tannins have you consumed today, anyway, oh my gosh you want to pop in here, let's uh, let's pop in uh.

Wilson 30:15

Merry, merry, christmas, happy holidays, however you celebrate. This is our holiday episode. This is our holiday. It is our holiday episode. This is our holiday.

Captain 30:23

It is our also finale episode Holla slay, holla, slay, holla, slay, all right.

Wilson 30:28

So welcome to the 163rd episode of the Red Rum Podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying a little beverage or two and some tannins. And I'm Captain, and I'm Wilson, and this week we're reviewing the 2019, I said it right that time supernatural horror film, I Trapped the Devil.

Captain 30:49

I only took the whole season, the whole season.

Wilson 30:52

Can I have another drink?

Captain 30:57

Loving this director Josh.

Jay 31:00

Lobo Wait, was it our turn? Why do you sound like a clown?

Wilson 31:03

Was it Pee Wee Herman? Hey you guys.

Confusing Actor Discussions and Film Insights

Captain 31:07

I filled out our sheet and I put in all caps. He's done nothing.

Jay 31:13

I mean, I've seen the movie.

Wilson 31:14

Yes, he's done nothing, oh my god, I mean it is his directorial debut, and he's most known for this film. Prior to this, he did make a name for himself through short films mostly with like, uh, it's like psychological horror, tension building and focus on mood and atmosphere. I don't know what they were, I don't know if the shorts were at all and I can't click on him well, they're probably not good oh well, I mean, he got a movie, so he did get a movie, so he probably had something a lot of people get a movie, maybe something.

Jay 31:48

I mean the person who made hashtag horror got a movie.

Captain 31:51

That's true and there was an actor actress in there. That was like kind of actually like yeah, there was like a real actor too.

Jay 32:23

Yeah, yeah, because they used one of the guys' real house, wasn't it?

Wilson 32:30

It was him or his wife's house, and it was an actual actor.

Jay 32:33

I don't know his name, but I recognize him. He's like a B-list, C-list celebrity throughout the years.

Captain 32:37

Wilson, I'm not going to say outright that you're lying, but I do not see any shorts that this man has done he, but I do not see any shorts that this man has done.

Jay 32:44

He's probably done something.

Captain 32:46

Okay, I don't know Like a film school class project.

Wilson 32:50

Somehow he got funding for this.

Jay 32:51

Someone gave this man money to make a movie.

Captain 32:54

They did. Everyone can agree on. Was it a GoFundMe?

Jay 32:58

I mean.

Wilson 32:59

A GoFundMe? I don't think so. Was it like a Make-A-Wish?

Jay 33:01

Make-a-wish.

Captain 33:02

No, okay, anyway. So there's really like what?

Wilson 33:06

three main characters, but yeah, which is kind of nice. It's like a small cast. Yeah, I can't really click on any of them, but we have Scott Poitras.

Captain 33:15

Oh gosh, that sounds like I have a lisp when I say that it does.

Wilson 33:20

That's just how I would. I mean point press. So he's an actor and producer. He's appeared in several indie films and TV series, includes the Sound.

Captain 33:35

Bastards. And oh, he's in the Walking Dead, I guess for like a little bit. Yeah, like I don't know, he plays Matt in this movie, matt.

Jay 33:39

Oh, I think I recognize him from the Walking Dead. Wait what, oh my goodness, he is Beth's husband. I think I recognize him from the Walking Dead. Wait what, oh my goodness, he is Beth's husband.

Captain 33:46

I think Wait, which one's Beth.

Jay 33:48

Oh, sorry, she's not Beth, carol, carol's husband, isn't that? No, isn't he the abusive husband. No, he's not I think so how do you recognize him? I'm guessing that's who he was. If he's not a random zombie, I don't think they mentioned he was in the Walking Dead. If he was a zombie, I don't know how to search this.

Wilson 34:05

If he was a zombie, I swear, but yeah, I don't, that's why I'm assuming.

Captain 34:08

Wait, I'm confused because it looks like Scott Poitras.

Wilson 34:12

Oh, I searched Matt Poitras.

Captain 34:15

That's why I didn't find him. It looks like Scott. Poitras is not Matt in this movie. Who is?

Jay 34:19

he? It looks like he. I don't know which one was which.

Captain 34:21

Steve was the guy that was losing his mind.

Wilson 34:24

Yeah, so I'm going to blame ChatGPT for that.

Jay 34:27

So Scott Porthras is the guy who's losing his mind.

Captain 34:30

Yes. Oh, okay, I don't think he was it, but AJ Bowen as Matt, you think that was Carol's husband.

Jay 34:37

I thought so, but he was saying that Scott Porthras was the one in Walking Dead, correct?

Wilson 34:41

Yes, unless it got the names mixed up.

Captain 34:47

See, this is why humans still have jobs. I think yeah.

Wilson 34:51

We need to. Maybe we'll go back to night To be fair.

Jay 34:54

IMDB does not know who these people are, so you can't possibly expect us to know.

Wilson 35:01

Fair, fair, fair.

Jay 35:02

He kind of looks like the guy that got unalive in the season one of Walking Dead.

Wilson 35:05

I don't have to tell you um, oh, so I did when I searched aj bowen who plays matt. Um, it did auto fill and google to the house of the devil, which we did do, oh yeah, so he is in there.

Captain 35:19

Different from I trapped the devil.

Wilson 35:20

This is now house of the Devil, house of the Devil. I think had Dee.

Captain 35:25

Wallace in it? Was it just the prequel to this? Oh, it was like a cult.

Jay 35:29

Like satanic cult yeah it's like the babysitter goes to a house and she goes to the attic and ends up being sacrificed.

Captain 35:35

Dude how do you remember this?

Jay 35:36

Well, because Dee Wallace is like the realtor or something.

Wilson 35:39

She has a small role.

Captain 35:40

No no, no, you watched the movie with me.

Jay 35:42

Yeah, you did the movie, you did the movie, though I don't think I was on the episode, but we watched the movie. I remember the movie because it was so strange. The pacing was strange. It was just a strange movie. It wasn't horrible, but it was just. It stuck in my mind. It was very unique.

Wilson 36:00

Yes.

Jay 36:00

Better than this movie.

Wilson 36:06

Oh, I can actually click on AJ.

Captain 36:07

Bowne, so that makes sense.

Jay 36:07

Okay, I thought it was so cool with that pole walking. What is?

Captain 36:08

the squelch for House of the Devil.

Wilson 36:10

Oh man, I'm going to guess like 70.

Captain 36:15

Really, yeah, you think it was before we talked to Dee Wallace personally.

Wilson 36:21

I think so.

Captain 36:22

Really, I'm going to say a little later, I'm going to say 87.

Wilson 36:28

Do you want to know the answer? Yeah, it's 51. Yikes, so I win, but we would both lose if it was Price is Right rules. You won. Oh thanks, alright, so and then.

Captain 36:40

It's a Christmas miracle.

Wilson 36:43

He was in your Next. I think I watched that. Oh, he's in the Sacrament also, aj Bowen.

Jay 36:49

There's a lot of horror stuff.

Wilson 36:51

And then we have Sophie Dalla. She was in the Stranger's Prey at Night. Is that the new one, or is that just like a cheap spin off?

Captain 36:59

I'm confused because these two people you have in here, neither one of them are Karen. So what the fuck, bro? Karen is Susan, because these two people you have in here neither one of them are Karen, so what the fuck, bro, karen is Susan Karen's out.

Wilson 37:11

Who's Mary?

Captain 37:11

Can you explain to me?

Wilson 37:14

I'm looking at what you're looking at. It's Susan, susan, whatever.

Captain 37:16

Susan's not listening. You're correct, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop that.

Jay 37:23

Who's Susan? I thought Susan was the only woman in the movie.

Captain 37:27

Yeah, no, her name's Karen in the movie.

Jay 37:29

Great, but the actor's name is Susan.

Captain 37:31

How do you know that?

Jay 37:32

Because in the credits there's only three names that show up, and one of them's Susan.

Captain 37:37

Oh, you were like watching I was locked in Susan Burke.

Wilson 37:42

Yes, I'm not going to look at this AI generated script anymore, because I don't know who the hell Sophie Dalla is.

Captain 37:48

I think she's the woman that's screaming, with her eyes Blindfolded for like 30 seconds.

Wilson 37:53

Oh, why would they not show? Okay, she's not even listed on the Wikipedia page.

Captain 38:01

Susan Burke is. Yeah, I don't know. Susan Burke is the girl that plays Karen, and she is mostly known as a co-writer of a 2012 film called Smashed, smashed, smashed, but otherwise she doesn't really have a lot. Her wiki is real small.

Jay 38:20

Yeah, real small. She's got a bit of the stone face when it's just not a lot happening on the face you get awkward smiles.

Captain 38:27

You know something about that awkward smile was hilarious something about her face, and I'm not saying this as in. They are lookalikes, but there is some features. That is giving cameron diaz, for some reason for care.

Wilson 38:41

Really, I was thinking she kind of looked like Cameron.

Captain 38:44

Diaz huh, yes, something about the clinks of the smile.

Jay 38:50

Clinks, the clinks. She's got a Cameron Diaz clink.

Wilson 38:54

I don't think that's a word, I think it's the shape of the face. I thought she was giving Sarah Levy vibes a little bit.

Captain 39:01

Sarah Levy.

Wilson 39:02

Twyla from Schitt's Creek Drove the Chevy yeah.

Captain 39:07

In the Levy. Oh yeah, but Sarah Levy has too much of a normal yeah, Sarah Levy. I think Karen Diaz's face shape is very similar.

Jay 39:19

Kara Diaz.

Captain 39:20

Yeah, these drinks are good.

Wilson 39:23

Bubbles is so good.

Captain 39:31

Strong. Okay, it's not. Yeah, it's so unimportant. And his brother, steve, and matt comes and he's married to karen and karen comes how many sentences would you say exist in this movie script?

Jay 39:41

over under a hundred. I think it's probably a under. It's pretty sure it's brutal it's a lot of looking yeah, longing stairs zoom in the doorknob zoom into the door um, wait, get that doorknob again, okay make sure the locks are moving a little bit.

Captain 40:03

40 minutes later.

Wilson 40:04

Let's jump into the movie. The movie is very short.

Captain 40:08

The movie is only 82 minutes and we were all like could have been shorter 10 minutes of that was like an intro basically, and then like the last 5 minutes was credits, so it's like it's a 70-minute movie.

Jay 40:22

It's really a 70-minute movie.

Captain 40:23

Bro, the AI is fucked. I'm not looking at the AI it says Matt and Mary come travel, and it's not. It's Matt and Karen.

Wilson 40:30

I want to know where it got any of that information from. Did it dig up an early script?

Jay 40:35

All jobs are safe people.

Wilson 40:37

That they are Starboy.

Captain 40:38

Got another 10 years Starboy. Sign that contract.

Wilson 40:46

Okay, sign that contract, okay, so. So this movie is like one of it's kind of like a framed-ish story, like it starts off, oh, with the police. Yeah, the police are like they go into a house and then it like also very quickly cuts to the previous night, so quickly that I forgot that the police even showed up at the beginning.

Captain 41:00

The two cops show up and I think it's supposed to just give you Like a creepy vibe, Like they walk into a house and there's like it doesn't seem like there's anyone in there and there's like twinkly Christmas lights but like no life TV static, so it kind of is like eerie and then it just cuts to credits and then to the actual story.

Wilson 41:20

Yes, weird intro credits. Okay, so basically it's Matt and his wife, karen show up at Matt's brother's house, steve, steve to visit him and Steve's like I didn't know you were coming and clearly we know basically right away, steve, there's something going on with him. We find out fairly quickly that his wife and, I think, child died in a car accident.

Captain 41:44

Yeah, you say that I don't remember them like specifically saying that there was like a he's clearly grieving.

Wilson 41:49

And then he picked up a newspaper thing, or Matt did later, Somebody did later, yeah yeah, yeah, and it references like mother and child died in a car accident or something.

Jay 42:00

That is a little into the movie, though it is, I thought he was grieving his parents' death because this looks like the childhood home.

Wilson 42:06

I think it's their house, but I think Steve lived there with his family.

Captain 42:14

Yeah. So, basically, they get there, though, and Steve's like you can't stay here, and they're like, well, we drove all this way and we wanted to spend Christmas with you, so you're not alone, and we didn't tell you in advance and we're just showing up and we want you to be. We want people do that, really, um, yeah, so he's like you gotta go and they're like no, so they want to help him, because I think that he's like brooding and like I don't know, just like sitting, and which is fair, like he's in pain.

Wilson 42:38

So they're like we want to, yeah, but like most of the time he's not really saying anything and they're like eating dinner and they're asking.

Captain 42:44

They're just talking to him, not responding at all and then eventually he's not really saying anything and they're eating dinner.

Wilson 42:45

They're asking him questions. He's not responding, they're just talking to him. He's not responding at all, and then eventually he's like Matt. Can I talk to you in the kitchen?

Captain 42:51

So, yeah, he's getting these phone calls that seem to be threatening. I guess we don't really hear anything, but he panics over the phone during one of them and you can see he's like on the verge of tears. And then he's like, hey, matt, like can I talk to you? Um, and this is after they've been in the house for like at least an hour.

Captain 43:08

right, yeah, they've been here for a little while, yeah so he pulls him into the kitchen and I don't remember exactly what he says. He says like, oh, do you trust me? Like, do you really trust?

Wilson 43:19

me really um, and I I think it cuts to. Then karen snooping, yes, but then karen runs into matt and matt looks completely shaken oh, freaked out. Yeah, and he's like chugging liquor yeah, and she's like what's going on and then it cuts to um steve bringing them both to the basement yeah, I think I think we do hear matt saying that scene that there's a man and he said he said steve, steve is in trouble, and it's not just that he's worse than I thought.

Captain 43:50

It seems like he's dangerous. And then he says there, he has a man in the basement.

Wilson 43:54

Yes, yeah um, so this is where he, like we're in the basement, there's it's just a red light and there's a closet with a giant cross on it and a bunch of locks, yep, and he's basically saying, like I've trapped the devil yeah, he tells them I've trapped the devil.

Captain 44:09

And you can tell like karen and matt are not, they're like huddled, they're like kind of scared. Yeah, it's like an.

Wilson 44:17

It's like an unspoken uneasiness yeah that they're feeling they're not really addressing it, but like, yes, they know there's somebody trapped in the closet. They should probably help them, but there's like weird vibes.

Basement Devil Trap Revelation

Captain 44:30

Yeah, so he has a giant cross on the door. He takes the cross off the door, steve, and then as soon as he does that, whoever is on the other side starts talking and I think like begging for them to be saved. But it is very suspicious that they can't really talk until that cross comes off the door I'm assuming it's intentional, but the audio mixing the voice is pretty low.

Jay 44:51

Oh, the voice, and it's a little distorted.

Captain 44:53

Yeah, it's deep um, it's like a when they. What is it? It's like it's called something.

Jay 44:58

When you're like, um, you put it over your voice to, like, hide your identity like oh like a voice mixer or whatever this is like the pool thing all over again where I was.

Captain 45:08

Like I swear I've been in a pool but I don't know any of the night time.

Wilson 45:15

Listening back to it I was like oh my god.

Jay 45:19

It's a pool skimmer for your mouth. I think it's an anonymizer or something. It just distorts your voice so it's hard to recognize, but that's what it sounds like, so it doesn't sound human.

Captain 45:32

They said that the vibe down there is kind of like yeah, it's like Steve says later on in the movie. He's like I know you felt it Something don't feel right when you're down there.

Wilson 45:43

Oh, and around here. I think he says Offhanded that this thing's been trapped. It like something. Don't feel right when you're down. Oh, and it's around here. I think he says like offhanded that this thing's been trapped in his basement for two years I know I was like sir pardon he's lived like that for like steve has lived in that house for two years, pardon what do you mean?

Captain 45:57

two years? Yeah, yes, uh no um, I think we also, I think around the same time. Um, so, like it's weird, it's like they go back upstairs after Matt and Karen hear him hear this thing talk. And then Karen is like well, thanks for that, because you've roped us in here. And, steve, like I'm gonna have to call the cops, you're going to jail Because, like I am not living my life as like an accomplice to this. And Matt is like well, well, like let's hear him out. Which is like what?

Jay 46:28

yeah, he's my brother.

Captain 46:29

He does say I don't want my brother to live the rest of his life in jail, but he is not as sus as he should be yeah um, and so I don't know. I matt, I think he goes to steve and he's like convince me, and that's when we see the room with all the red string everywhere and he talks about. Not a single bit of convincing was done in there he talks about all the evidence, which is one missing person that shows back up. I don't know.

Jay 46:53

I was very confused by that he's like I feel like fewer evil. Things have been happening since I've kidnapped this person and it's like okay, but how much he's like, well, it's not a lot, but if it's 1% less evil, isn't that a huge difference?

Wilson 47:06

Yeah, I needed more. The movie could have been longer. Yes, and I could have used this.

Captain 47:12

I need the explanation, he does say we're at the precipice, and I'm like, sir, did you not just tell us you've had him for two years? So precipice is not a two-year situation, right?

Jay 47:27

yeah, I, you know, and I don't know when we should get into this. I don't know if you want to do it after, but like at this point in the movie or really a few points before, it's kind of you get the feeling like this really isn't fully baked, like the premise is great and I was very interested going in, but I'm like one, there's not even that much dialogue. And then, two, they're not really playing on the idea that, like this guy's got the devil trapped. But a normal person would assume oh, you're just completely crazy. Because when they go down there there's an eerie red light, they get goosebumps, the voice sounds distorted. If it sounded like a normal human being, you're left as the audience to be like oh, is it a regular person? Is he crazy?

Wilson 48:06

Is it really?

Jay 48:06

the devil. But no, they kind of just kind of like show their hand and like, oh, it sounds like the devil and it's like okay, well then. Yeah, if it's been down there for two years with no food and it sounds like the devil yes, I think you can't trust what Steve's like.

Movie Analysis

Wilson 48:20

Yeah, Well yeah, but that's more, I think, evidence of like, if they think there's something going on with Steve, like I feel like when you know there's a guy trapped in the basement, they would run into the closet, rip it open, right, they'd call the police. But I would agree. I think I love the idea of the movie. I think it's either it should have been a TV show episode or a longer movie. Right, I longer movie.

Captain 48:42

Right, I agree. I did see somebody on Reddit was saying that the Twilight Zone did a very similar episode and they did it much better.

Jay 48:48

Twilight Zone is like one of the best TV shows I've made.

Captain 48:52

I mean Twilight Zone is my favorite. We used to have some great nights years ago of just sitting watching Twilight Zone.

Jay 48:59

When we were young.

Captain 49:01

When we were young. Okay so the only explanation we really get from steve mostly is about the book he said hey, matt, here I know what I'll convince you. Look at this book called the devil in you or something, where it basically makes no sense.

Jay 49:19

It's like I don't even understand.

Captain 49:20

I think it's a book that basically suggests that the devil can manipulate people into committing evil acts. And like the devil, he says like the devil's the seed. It's not like the devil is just like an actual person that like walks around and like pulls the trigger or like does the act, but they put the seed of the idea in your head.

Captain 49:42

And the concept of what that seed thing is. He's like yeah, I got that shit in my closet. In the concept of what that seed thing is, he's like yeah, I got that shit in my closet in the basement basically right, I mean, that's what he says basically what it is.

Jay 49:53

And the after this, I don't understand the reaction. The reaction is like very neutral. They're like, okay, we're just gonna hang out. Like okay, you say you have the devil. They're like what do we? Yeah, agree and disagree, let's go to bed.

Captain 50:05

It's like what they weren't sure what to do and they were contemplating, kind of like, what they should do. Um, yeah, and karen. Around the same time though, karen, she sneaks down and she hears the devil basically begging for their life again. And that's when steve how, how, how holds her and matt at gunpoint and says what did you hear? I think they really are not trusting.

Wilson 50:29

I feel like that's especially the part I've been like if I didn't call the police when I first heard there was a guy in the basement after a gun was pointed at me, I'd be like, yeah, 100%, you know what we're going to drive through the night, I don't care or leave. You know what I mean. You know what I mean.

Jay 50:44

There was never a good reason given, besides the fact of the implicit hey, we're brothers, I guess, but they don't seem that close. It seems strange why they would stay, why they would stay in that situation.

Wilson 50:56

It just doesn't make any sense at all to me, I think, if this house was located in the middle of nowhere and, let's say, the power was out or the phone lines were down.

Captain 51:03

the power was out or the phone lines were down.

Wilson 51:04

They never give them I believe you're still here Even the shot at the end of the movie. They're in a neighborhood and the phones still work. There's a house right across the street.

Jay 51:13

Normal people. It didn't really make a lot of sense. Again, I get the feeling that limited resources here. It didn't seem like they had a lot of writers. I've never really seen a movie with this little dialogue, really at all. I mean, even with the points where you think there's gonna be a conflict between the main characters and one side saying this devil, the other side saying this can't be true.

Jay 51:35

It's like a two sentence, it's like a very short exchange yeah, very short and there's like okay, and there's a lot of long shots of someone sleeping doors, he's boarding up windows and I'm like yeah someone's coming, I'm like what I would say.

Captain 51:46

There's like it felt like it was like 10 minutes of like you can see, matt and and karen are like sitting in their rooms, respectfully like respectively, contemplating what to do, meanwhile steve's downstairs listening to a record, smoking, drinking and boarding up windows all at the same time and I was like what's happening in this house?

Wilson 52:05

right, yeah, it just doesn't what's going on here, but I don't really mind those like limited dialogue, because I think you can get away with that, but I think it's like the the things around it I can't not focus on or like I'm like I'm focusing on, like I don't understand their motivations.

Jay 52:20

I don't understand why they aren't going to the police or why they didn't leave yet yeah, I just feel like there's so much opportunity to really lay down, because usually in a movie like this, with the limited resources, your best bet is like hey, we can, now that we've set up a situation, just have people talk through it and kind of I mean you don't have to explain what's going on, but just kind of like build up either some suspense or some tension between the characters.

Captain 52:44

I feel like the tension wasn't really all that really dialed up it has to go in like a nice upward right like angle and I feel like you get the gun pointing and then he puts the gun down and so it kind of falls away and then and yeah, and then like it kind of there's a plateau and then it goes back up, like later on in the movie. But yeah, I want it like a nice increase, steady increase, the whole time. If that's the way you want to go, that's the route you're choosing.

Captain 53:12

She's so strange, but it all kind of comes to a head when and I don't fully understand. But basically, karen, it seems like I know, karen, that you feel it and you see it and I can see it in your eyes. You see it and I can see it in your eyes and you see it. And then he chloroforms her.

Wilson 53:27

He's very confused. Yes, and then maybe locks from the basement.

Captain 53:31

Yeah, but why? What's the purpose? Why, karen?

Jay 53:35

Didn't he say hey, I want you to see, I want you to open up the door and see what you see, so I can see it too, because to me it looks like a human.

Wilson 53:48

I want to see what it looks like to you. Is that what he says? I?

Jay 53:49

think that's something like that. Yeah, he's like what it looks like to. You kept the door locked because it like yeah, there's a lot of scenes of her looking scared at the door. We never get to see the door for a while and she's just backing up to the corner. She's like, oh my goodness, oh my goodness, and I think they're. I'm like, oh, they're to pan to the door and it's going to open because he unlocked it. He didn't unlock it.

Captain 54:03

I'm like, okay then why is I don't understand. One of the big goofs is the door that they use for filming has padlocks that have keys. It doesn't make any sense in which that could ever get opened, even at the very end of the movie when they're unlocking the locks it's clearly switch locks, you can hear it.

Wilson 54:25

You don't see it, but you can hear it behind his body. That it's like. You know.

Captain 54:27

Maybe the key's just like hanging right next to the. I mean it is it's, but like it's confusing about the whole movie because you're like I. You keep focusing on these locks that are shaking. They're padlocks, key padlocks there's.

Jay 54:37

I don't they're also like really tiny locks, like the locks you put on like carry-on luggage at the airport. That door shakes a lot them.

Wilson 54:43

That door shakes a lot too, yeah. I'm like you could bust the hinges. Satan can get out of there, okay, If Satan can't get out of there.

Jay 54:49

we're all good, there's no danger.

Wilson 54:51

I mean there is a cross on the door. I guess that's true.

Jay 54:54

But they take it off and Satan is on the lead.

Wilson 55:07

Yeah, he chains Karen up, but then saw to like a saw blade and again very confused, I'm like why is he jigsaw, playing a game with her? I was so confused by that and she just like like to cut straight yeah, yeah.

Basement Demon and Twisted Murder Plot

Captain 55:13

So I'm like why? Why are we? What's the puzzle? What's happening? It didn't really make any sense um, so she gets free, I think. I think we get um. Steve has a vision of which. Thank you for my couch friends, because I didn't know what the fuck that was, but apparently a man, the man that killed his family.

Wilson 55:32

Yeah, that vision that he sees.

Jay 55:33

Oh yeah, that was the creepiest part of the movie.

Wilson 55:35

Yeah, by far.

Captain 55:36

That happens at this point, after Karen, like Karen, gets free when he comes to and realizes that what he's seeing is not real.

Jay 55:42

Yeah.

Captain 55:46

But yeah, it's a guy. I don't know what he says and he's holding two stuffed animals that are like gushing blood.

Wilson 55:50

I think it was a stuffed animal that was ripped in half. Yeah, oh.

Jay 55:56

And he says something like I didn't mean they won't stop bleeding, or something like that yeah.

Captain 56:00

Which is supposed to, yeah, be the killer of his family.

Jay 56:05

So I guess this is Satan working its magic.

Captain 56:08

Steve does say in the movie that he keeps seeing things. He does.

Jay 56:12

I don't think the characters around him ever really respect that. They never treat him like he's a danger to them at any point in time. It's so strange she got chloroformed and they're still just like just give us a little gun. And they're still just like okay, like, just give us a little gun and we're all good here.

Captain 56:31

Like, when steve comes to, he does realize that what he's doing is scary and he like pan, he like is crying and he hands the gun over to his brother because he's like I was pointing this gun at you and I didn't even realize it because I was seeing something else. But again, it doesn't last very long because, like, like they go, like they go to all the other go down in the basement because matt was gonna free this thing down there.

Wilson 56:54

He's like I don't trust what's happening here and just like, fuck it, I'm gonna free it, yeah, and steve's like nah and stabs him in death.

Captain 57:01

Yeah and I'm like well, why didn't you just realize that what you're seeing is not real?

Wilson 57:06

Yeah, I don't know. Two minutes earlier.

Jay 57:08

Yeah, the last scene was you being like take this from me, I'm not dangerous to everyone in myself. Yeah. And then it's like got to muck a fish, yeah.

Captain 57:19

And then he's like he's basically dies right there.

Wilson 57:21

And then it cuts to like Steve is upstairs staring at something like kind of upset. He's like I can't believe I just did that but like I had to. And then you see like a blurred uh karen in the background and basically like he's trying to explain himself, but you see her basically hold up a gun, like in the background and shoots him.

Captain 57:39

Yeah, I will say like I don't again. Why? Why is no one calling k? Karen watches her husband die in front of her, no calling to the police.

Wilson 57:48

No one called the police, nothing. And then she goes back down to the basement.

Captain 57:52

I wonder if it's because Steve does say throughout, like multiple times throughout the movie, that he that like, like, if you call him, they won't believe you. And Karen, kind of, is believing the fact that there is a devil back there. So maybe that's why she's not calling, I guess, but he also just killed your husband.

Wilson 58:08

Yeah, I'm giving him a lot of grace, devil aside there was an actual murder right in front of you. But what about the seed? The seed is the problem, the seed yes, not. Steve, so please come. But Karen, oh, yeah, is that one, but yeah, like she goes back to the basement but she's like on the floor.

Jay 58:31

She's on the floor next to her husband. She called, they call the police. Comes back to the scene in the beginning of the movie where the police show up. Yeah, so it circles back to the beginning yeah, um, and the police come downstairs and she's back down there well, the police first.

Captain 58:43

They find steve brutally axed.

Wilson 58:45

Oh, that's like more than a gunshot. No, she like unloaded the barrel. Yeah, I don't yeah.

Captain 58:51

The splatter to me looked like axing, Like she took an ax and like plop plop.

Wilson 58:55

I mean, maybe she shot him and then just axed him too.

Captain 58:59

It was everywhere.

Jay 59:01

But she didn't have any blood on her. Well, yeah, I don where, but she didn't have any blood on her.

Wilson 59:10

Well, yeah, I don't know how much blood's in the human body, but it ain't that much.

Jay 59:12

I mean I couldn't believe they cut to his body and I was like that's a lake, that's a lake of blood, like what happened to this man, like no way yeah, and so they find that, and then they go down to the basement.

Wilson 59:27

And then she shoots the cop.

Captain 59:28

She shoots the first cop because he's about to open the door. Yes, and she's like no, no, devil's in there.

Wilson 59:33

And then he, like I guess, shoots her even though I missed that because she's suddenly dying.

Jay 59:38

Suddenly they come at her and she's got a gunshot wound.

Captain 59:40

I'm like wait what she's shot wound in her chest, so I'm assuming that she got shot back.

Wilson 59:44

And she said nothing through all this.

Captain 59:45

It's not in the film.

Jay 59:46

She said nothing. Did the cop even draw his weapon? How did she?

Captain 59:51

get injured. I don't know. I think it was probably a scene that got cut weird and they were like oops and they can't edit it.

Wilson 59:55

Yeah, they're like the run time is too long.

Captain 59:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah we gotta cut some time on the 82 minutes.

Jay 1:00:00

We've got an 8 o'clock dinner.

Captain 1:00:04

So all she does is shake her head to not open the door. So the second cop comes down, yeah, and all she does is shake her head. No to that cop. It's kind of funny, it's a little comedic, it's hilarious.

Jay 1:00:12

Also, is she the one that called the cops? Maybe.

Wilson 1:00:15

I don't know, we don't really know If she called the cops.

Jay 1:00:17

Why is she shooting them when they try to open the door?

Captain 1:00:20

is because during the gunshots. Our view as the audience is outside the house and you hear two pops and the light flashing. So I think it's supposed to be like as the view of the neighbor. It'd be obvious that there was gunshots and some neighbor would call that in. That's what I assume, because that's where the camera was.

Jay 1:00:43

Why did the cop say she's a clever little thing? What was that about?

Captain 1:00:46

I don't know what that was. Honestly, I have no idea.

Jay 1:00:48

I honestly don't know what that was On their way to the house. They're talking to his partner and he's like oh, she's a clever little thing.

Captain 1:00:54

The first line out of the cops was yeah, she's been a clever little thing. I do have some hot goss to share later. That might almost explain the motivation behind some of these things. Okay, but anyway. The second cop. He unlocks the door.

Wilson 1:01:11

And we see little tap shoes or some.

Jay 1:01:18

Yeah, it's a little girl, it's a little girl we don't see her face, but she doesn't acknowledge anyone in the room. She just skips out of the house.

Wilson 1:01:23

Oh yeah, doesn't kill that cop either. Skips out of the house with a just skips. Oh yeah, Doesn't kill that cop, yeah, and then just like the house with like a little side Big yeah.

Captain 1:01:31

Big side pony During the entire time. Anybody that comes down the basement the voice you hear is that is that voice muffler thing.

Jay 1:01:39

Sounds like Benedict Cumberbatch Very devil sounding.

Wilson 1:01:49

And they're usually. They're begging for their life and if the begging for their life doesn't initially?

Jay 1:01:52

work. Then they start like double laughing, like malicious like I almost got you.

Captain 1:01:54

Yeah, so the all the like everybody that goes, like the two cops they both heard the begging for their life like if they're not just like opening a door, that's not saying anything. Yeah, so they're trying to do the right thing, but, um, yeah, a little like like I don't know skips out of there, didn't like?

Jay 1:02:09

that twist. I feel like it'd be so much more interesting. I was fully expecting. Maybe it's too predictable, but like the voice behind the door would be like a normal sounding human being who's like hey, man, I'm just trying to get out of here.

Captain 1:02:18

I don't know. These people are crazy, yeah, and they open the door.

Unanswered Questions in Indie Horror

Jay 1:02:20

It's like a giant demon. It's like, oh crap, yeah, but it was the opposite kind of like a demonic voice and they open the door and it's like a little girl and just leaves. It's like I mean I mean, it's a similar dynamics, the same, you know it's the same thing. It's like, oh, you got me, you're actually the devil. But because they do a really good slow, like the scene where he sees, uh, illusion of the person that killed his family is probably my favorite scene. That's really scary actually.

Captain 1:02:47

Is that your razor glass?

Jay 1:02:49

I didn't say that, I just said it's a really scary scene. And the second scary scene is when the door slowly opens. They've been filming this damn door. Half this movie is just looking at this door. 40 minutes of the movie, I promise you, 40 minutes of the movie is just looking at the door.

Wilson 1:03:02

So finally, it slowly opens that was also a good scene. Yeah, that was good, like yeah, yeah, pitch blackness, yeah, yeah, and then all you see is like pitch black ballet shoes, step out of the darkness.

Captain 1:03:14

So it's, that is a good scene, yeah is it worth 60 minutes? 60 minutes 80 minutes you said you had some the goose.

Wilson 1:03:27

Yeah, so like the the normal, our normal sources for hot goose were not not good sources?

Captain 1:03:33

Oh wait, should we talk about numbs? Okay, you can hot goose first.

Wilson 1:03:36

So I did see I was looking up. I was looking up like Reddit discussions of this movie because I wanted to read a like a movie discussion okay however, I did find a thread and josh lobo was replying to some of the oh, the clown himself yeah so the the post was um, somebody basically just thought they went a little overboard with the atmospheric stuff, whatever. So he comments like it was conceived as more of a tone poem than anything.

Wilson 1:04:07

I don't know what that means girl um, but he basically he never considered it as a straight horror film to begin with all right, um, okay, so some other things.

Wilson 1:04:17

So, um, what did I see here? So, like somebody mentioned what you said earlier, like it was a twilight zone episode. Um, josh Lobo does say it's like he's sure it's not for everyone, but he does say there are a lot of answers to your questions, like, I guess, in the environment. So you have to like what, basically saying like, maybe on a second viewing, more of it would make sense. If you're like paying attention to everything, more of it would make sense. If you're like paying attention to everything. Um, you know, some other people are, some other people are saying like they didn't like it. And he's like you know, even if you didn't love it, I appreciate you taking a chance on an indie film, which I appreciate, that I like that attitude.

Wilson 1:04:58

Um that I know everyone won't love it.

Jay 1:05:00

No.

Wilson 1:05:01

I just like it attitude. You make up for the turd, but at least you're not getting upset about it. Thank you for trying an indie film.

Jay 1:05:10

I think it's a bad look if you're in comments on Reddit being like you just don't understand my art. That's a horrible look. He's taking all these in stride. That's a great.

Wilson 1:05:19

Somebody pointed out how they wanted to know how he trapped the devil and the characters were like that's not important right now. So his response to that, his response to that is the issue is once I tell you how the audience gets so fixated on breaking that apart, they lose interest in other things. So he said the film is more about Steve and not the devil.

Captain 1:05:46

I mean, I get that, steve is a lot.

Wilson 1:05:50

I still have a lot of questions, but I see what he's like going or like yeah, yeah.

Jay 1:05:58

I think they said that Steve is or not Steve, that this movie was shot in eight days, yeah that explains so much so I'm like what in the world so well, I don't want to no you can go well, I was going to say as far as the only hint to how he caught the devil is in the very beginning oh, I'm so mad that we don't really get that. Yeah, it's absurd that someone would sit there and accept from Steve. It's not important how I caught the devil. That's literally the only way I have to validate whether or not it's the devil.

Wilson 1:06:29

Like did you just trap a little girl, right? Or does the devil look different to him, right?

Captain 1:06:35

This is how it went. Line one from Karen how did you trap the devil? Line two from Steve it's not important and I said girl, I'm sorry, the hell, it's not important and I said girl the hell it is yeah what?

Jay 1:06:46

how much did the devil cost michael? Um, no. So the only hint we get is, in the very beginning, very easy to miss what's the what's the woman's character named mary, suzy, karen, karen, how can I forget? The brother goes in. He's talking to steve from the jump. Steve was crazy.

Jay 1:07:06

But karen's outside and she's about to light up a cigarette and she looks down the ground. There's shell casings on the ground and she's like what in the world is shell casing? And so the only hint we get is that some time recently there was gunfire on this property and so I'm assuming he shot at the devil and wounded it, but it's not wounded when it comes out, maybe that's the only kind of hint we get and it's, I guess, supposed to be disconcerting to the audience that something is amiss. Um, it's america, there's shells casings everywhere, but, um, but no, but, um, I, I just it's so hard to immerse yourself in it. It's like you're you as the audience, are asking these questions. They're blaring in your mind like wait, you, wait. You're saying you have the devil. Okay, well, how did they get in there? How long have they been in there?

Wilson 1:07:50

What do they sound like? How do you know it's?

Jay 1:07:51

the devil.

Captain 1:07:52

None of that is ever even answered or discussed. Steve's not reliable, so you don't. At least you didn't get something, but he's not like forced to give an answer.

Jay 1:08:00

So then you can compare his answer to the experience of the other protagonists who are in the house and be like okay, what lines up, what doesn't line up, what can be real?

Captain 1:08:08

We never get that it's just like.

Jay 1:08:12

I have the devil. It's like how do you know what if I did have the devil?

Wilson 1:08:16

I appreciate he acknowledged the question. We addressed it, but I need the answer.

Captain 1:08:22

You need to give me an answer.

Jay 1:08:25

You can't just say I know there's a question, it's just. From that point on it's like I don't know. And then I thought, well, maybe they'll answer later.

Wilson 1:08:30

They never did and it's like, well, it's kind of hard to just I did kind of wonder, like, maybe, like is the little girl actually somehow his daughter and his daughter?

Captain 1:08:38

was the devil.

Jay 1:08:46

Like that would be a reasonable way that he trapped the devil. I don't know, maybe Like she caused the crash. I also feel like it's like I feel like the whole point of this setup is to pose the question of whether or not it's real and play off that there would need to be more Immediately. Immediately the main characters go down there and they're like ooh feels devil-y down here.

Captain 1:09:02

It's like okay.

Jay 1:09:02

Well then, I guess it's really the devil.

Captain 1:09:11

Like, ooh, feels devil-y down here. It's like, okay, well then, I guess it's really the devil, like I don't know what else. Five more minutes in of movie time.

Wilson 1:09:12

Let's say we go from 82 to 87 I feel like I this, the rating of this movie could go up dramatically. We rarely say this, but this is one of those movies where it needs to be longer.

Captain 1:09:18

Like I want more, I need more I just need a little bit more background into how this happened, a little bit more back background into exactly what happened to Steve's family and I think that would be Give me 15 minutes more. Not even. I think they could do it in less than 10.

Wilson 1:09:35

No, I'm going to be like I will give you 15.

Captain 1:09:37

You can have it here.

Wilson 1:09:39

It is Like yeah, I need you to answer the how, and then, just like I need you to answer the how, and then just like I need more of these questions answered, slightly more history, and that's it, and I feel like that could give me a raise, a little more. Give me five minutes of the wife and the child are ever dying.

Jay 1:09:57

And then how he trapped but there's other things that never really get answered and I think I guess that's what Josh Lobo was just talking about. The leaves are there because throughout the movie they play with a tv that turns on and it's static, but the person looks into it and they see like these little visions of things in the tv. Um, it means nothing to me, it's never addressed, no one ever mentions it.

Captain 1:10:19

Yeah, I have no idea yeah, we see a woman dancing around that I think is the same one in the static and I guess that's his wife I think so where she's like, screaming, like why can't I see I?

Jay 1:10:28

think at one time he sees a man and I guess that's the person killed his wife or something I don't know, it looked steve, uh, steve never mentions that. Hey, I'm anyone seeing this on the tv. Never mentions that? He does.

Captain 1:10:39

He does ask them what do you see or what are you hearing? Because he't know. He knows that he's seeing things that are not there, or hearing things that are not there.

Jay 1:10:47

I thought they were going to do something with the phone, because the phone keeps ringing, yeah, but you never see the other two characters. I think it's ringing right now, thank you. You never see the other two characters react to it and I'm like, oh, maybe he's only hearing the ringing and that it's all in his head like a little evens, like no, they heard the ringing, I am I. And he also doesn't say what is on the phone, doesn't he ask him what's up with the phone? He doesn't say anything it's like nope hello, what's up with the phone?

Jay 1:11:14

did you hear me it? Just, it's so strange the way steve is off the hook for answering anything about his what he's experiencing.

Captain 1:11:21

I do see that the original title is a man in the dark, which is giving more light to it's. More about Steve and not about the devil.

Wilson 1:11:27

Yes, and I do see actually we missed this person in the cast, but the guy from this is us, if you ever watched that it sounds like he voiced the devil. Oh the man is is Chris Sullivan.

Captain 1:11:40

Oh, I thought the man was the was the guy that was holding the ripped in part stuffed animal.

Wilson 1:11:45

Oh, you know what, maybe that is Was that.

Captain 1:11:47

Oh, maybe that was him with long hair. I think it's that guy.

Wilson 1:11:49

Yeah, you're right, you're right.

Captain 1:11:52

Okay, fan.

Jay 1:11:54

Also like I guess they had like a couple bags of blood, because there's a scene where, like, blood comes out of his hands.

Captain 1:12:08

Oh, that's kind of I mean I mean it's fine, I mean I just love. So now it's just like I have so many questions. So the twilight zone episode is called the howling man. I actually have I do remember I have seen this like I'm looking at pictures of it, I'm like I've watched this episode 100 and it was, I remember, liking it. I mean I I won't.

Jay 1:12:19

I mean the twilight zone, I don't expect him to be the twilight zone, but but there's just so many questions that you have as an audience that I don't feel like there's enough of an answer. There are little hints, but they aren't substantial enough I think to really warrant. I just don't feel like, as an audience, you would be rewarded for going down a rabbit hole. If I rewatch this movie and I'm like all right, let me freeze frame the static TV.

Wilson 1:12:52

There movie and I'm like, all right, let me freeze frame the static tv like there's just nothing here. Um, did you have anything else? No, that's all I have.

Jay 1:12:55

So you want to rag it. Oh, raise a glass, yeah, um, so you might be surprised, but my all-time favorite about this movie is not the scariest part. Um, I believe it's a little bit after. Karen is chloroformed and chained in the basement and she cuts herself loose, escapes Pretty calm after that. Steve points a gun at Karen and Matt. They talk Steve down from killing them. They get the gun and the favorite part is Matt's like I'm going to free this guy from the basement and Karen's face is just a little like awkward little smile.

Wilson 1:13:32

Oh, she has the strangest facial expression For a minute I thought she was the devil.

Jay 1:13:37

After that, yes, I was literally like, oh, she's not human.

Captain 1:13:41

That would have blown me away because there's a scene where steve is asking him. He was like what, did anybody follow you here? And that's like the fuck. And then steve's like well, I don't know, man, we're on the precipice of this and I've had this double down here and people are calling me now and someone's coming for it, and now you two randomly show up and I was like, bro, if karen's not on it, shots fired they.

Jay 1:14:03

They do leave those little hints, because Karen's the one that asked to go there unexpectedly and not tell Steve. She's the one that made him do that and I was like, oh okay.

Captain 1:14:14

I would love if Karen, like swanky you know, she ends up opening the door and she's like I've done it, papa. And then, like you know, what I mean.

Wilson 1:14:23

That would be fun. That's what I was hoping for.

Captain 1:14:25

Yeah, it would have been a good twist, right?

Jay 1:14:27

that almost seemed like that's where they're going, but didn't. Super weird. But like, yeah, that was my favorite part is like her completely alien reaction of just being like like she's like someone trying to get by you to get to the bathroom in a restaurant. Yeah, like hey, how's it going, I'm trying to get. It's like this man literally just tried to kill you. Like why are you making that face like you're not reacting to anything? That's happening at all? No tears, no anger, no nothing. It was super weird what's it?

Wilson 1:14:54

do you have a razor glass?

Film Scene Analysis With Red String

Captain 1:14:55

I don't. I didn't write one down specifically, but I do think. Out of all of the scenes, I do think that the scene that I liked the most was the part where the door opens and it's a slow creek yeah, and then it's pitch blackness in there, like that, that build up. I was like I was. I was clenching like waiting for a jump scare, so, um, I guess that was my favorite part.

Jay 1:15:15

Perfect opportunity for a jump scare. I thought they were gonna do it oh yeah, I mean, I guess it's like low-hanging fruit, but like I was ready for it, I was like after 80 minutes.

Wilson 1:15:22

I was like show me the most demented crazy shit I've ever seen um, that was fine, yeah did you um, I guess no scenes like really jumped out. However, I would say I think the actors did a really good job, like besides the weird, like smile by karen no well, what they were given like I thought the actors were pretty good and I thought the shots like the filming looked pretty good oh yeah, the cinematography, yeah. So I'll just say that.

Captain 1:15:51

The acting and the cinematography. I always give some shit answers like that. What? That's a compliment.

Jay 1:15:56

It didn't look like an amateur filmed it. It did not. I just didn't feel like they had enough time. I mean, you said it was filmed in eight days. That makes that explains so much, Because it felt like there was so much left on the table and it's like, why aren't they explaining anything? It's like, oh, they just didn't have time.

Captain 1:16:10

The one other thing I did want to mention okay because it's done so poorly in this movie is the red line, the red string connecting pictures. Usually it like somewhat looks like there's a picture and then there's a red string and it's connecting to something else. No, steve's room is like. The wallpaper itself is random, missing flat person flyers, like top to bottom, including the ceiling, and then after that wallpaper has dried, then he's put just uh, I mean a shit storm like a tsunami came through there and threw a bunch of red string everywhere. Um, that's not what that's supposed to be. So see, connecting them, like you know, in a way that makes sense. And I looked up I was in the middle of the movie. I asked like where did this trope start, like this comes up so many times in the movie, and apparently that it originally comes from the chinese red string theory, like from it's like a cultural thing or about, like there's supposed to be red string that connect, connects pieces of your life, that all kind of like okay wind together and make sure yeah but, um, the first time that was put on screen is from like a british, uh like spy tv show, the tinker taylor, soldier shoulder, oh god tinker to the soldier spy

Jay 1:17:23

you've heard of that there's a movie with gary oldman. That was really good.

Captain 1:17:26

Oh yeah, yeah yeah, but this is the show from the 70s um, and there's a scene that features characters using red lines to connect photos on a calendar signifying like connections and now it's like a whole thing yeah, and that was 1979 is when I was gonna say first put on the screen from always sunny no, no, apparently this started like what was that 35 years ago, or something you know?

Wilson 1:17:50

based on what I've been seeing on reddit, like I wouldn't be surprised if josh lobo listens to this episode and you're gonna be enemy number one, like me.

Captain 1:17:59

Well, hold on, let's hear your rating, because enemy number one might change okay, well, I will say you get you not happy I will say first the critics score is 71 around tomatoes that's true.

Wilson 1:18:12

The audience is 44 critics is very high I'm gonna give this a like a 63 oh, that's nice.

Rating Film With Mixed Reviews

Captain 1:18:21

Yeah, I was like.

Wilson 1:18:22

So yes, while this film I think has problems or I want more, I was still like the. The story is fun, the acting was good. I was like a little impressed. What you?

Captain 1:18:35

were expecting.

Wilson 1:18:35

You thought it was gonna be way less I think so like I think there's a lot of really good potential in this movie. I wanted more and that's why it's getting a 63 honestly, I feel like that knocks it down.

Captain 1:18:48

A couple numbers, because I'm like you had it, it was right there.

Wilson 1:18:51

I mean maybe the budget, I don't know like uh, I don't know, this is not.

Captain 1:18:57

It's not on the positive side for me it's, but it has all. It has pieces, but I think it's still like 47 because I'm like I want you to put it together you're still enemy number one yeah, apparently I want you to put it together what do you got?

Wilson 1:19:13

what do you got percentage wise?

Jay 1:19:15

um yeah, I mean I think we all agree we want a little more, but it sounds like that was an artistic choice to, like, really be as minimalist as possible. I mean it has to be a choice when, like, you're literally asking like point blank, point blank, why is this happening?

Captain 1:19:28

Yeah.

Jay 1:19:29

The character's like doesn't even like acknowledge that he was asking. He's like I'm just going to eat my cereal. It's like okay. So I mean again, I would want a different type of movie. I was kind of expecting a different type of movie. I agree with wilson wilson, I agree with wilson that um that you know the execution is not bad I, I.

Captain 1:19:54

What's your rating? This is not gonna change your life.

Jay 1:20:02

Put a number on it. I was gonna give it a number but then he was like joshua might actually listen to this and I'm like I don't want to be mad. Fuck that man, you don't know him. Josh Lobo.

Jay 1:20:13

Well, I mean, honestly, I'll just do 50. Like straight in the middle, out of 100. I just it was. I wanted so much more but the ending was kind of it paid off a little bit of the investment. Yeah, it was fine and it's not a super long movie. So it's not like you're like it's not Citizen.

Wilson 1:20:31

Kane. It's not a huge investment. It's not a huge investment If I dropped three hours on this movie and it gave me what it gave me.

Captain 1:20:37

I'd be pissed Three hours.

Jay 1:20:40

This is basically like an episode of a tv show.

Captain 1:20:42

I'd rather shit my bed and sleep in it. That is crazy, could you?

Wilson 1:20:46

imagine three hours and then just like, longing, like, just like a lot of stairs.

Jay 1:20:50

I don't think that's like a lowes movie, where it's like they're just filming a door for an hour and a half one of us starts watching the movie and we're like um wilson you want to switch it this week?

Jay 1:21:01

we're suddenly gonna switch 100, yeah yeah, if it was half way through, the text goes out like um, so I'm halfway through and I've just been looking at door. But no, I I see that there was there's intentionality here. I didn't appreciate it. But that's not not to say like who knows. I'm sure film it's got a 71 percent from critics.

Captain 1:21:20

I'm sure they know if you don't put that big dick energy down.

Jay 1:21:24

You said it was 50 I know, but you're so nice I'm just saying I don't like I what I'm looking for in a movie.

Captain 1:21:32

Not everyone's looking for in a movie all the time yeah, that's nice I'm looking for just like, very like straightforward I want you to give me what I'm looking for. That's it all right.

Wilson 1:21:41

Well, I don't know what. Yeah, okay, I'm getting cranky. Someone needs a pizza baby.

Captain 1:21:48

This is the final episode of the season it is season 7, do we tell? People what we're doing in like months from now.

Wilson 1:21:54

Do we want to do that?

Captain 1:21:55

I mean, I guess we're good. I think we mentioned it already on another episode. So, next season, the premiere Is going to be stop motion 2023.

Wilson 1:22:07

Yes, it is, next year is 2025 I'll be here all night. So good, no, can you put like a?

Captain 1:22:17

boo track like not a laugh track.

Wilson 1:22:20

Yeah, okay, you want like a real one, yeah.

Jay 1:22:22

I hear there might be a sponsor for Nixism.

Captain 1:22:25

Oh, maybe, oh might get a little commercial in there All right.

Wilson 1:22:30

What's your oh?

Captain 1:22:32

What it's you.

Wilson 1:22:34

Oh, I have to give advice, yeah.

Jay 1:22:35

I need advice. What's the advice I?

Wilson 1:22:37

need advice. Oh, you know what, you know what. Don't show up at your family's house. Oh, that's so good. They could have avoided all of this.

Captain 1:22:47

They didn't need to be there. Bye and send a Christmas card.

Jay 1:22:49

That's good, most people don't need that advice Like that's like straight serial killer Someone's house. Be like we're here. Well, stop what you're doing. What are you weird or something?

Wilson 1:23:02

So send a Christmas card. Yeah, that's great you.