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• Season 8 • Episode 164

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Captain and Wilson are back for season 8!

We catch up by learning about the Greenland shark and the Voynich Manuscript. Jay also joins us for the premiere!

This week, we review the 2023 horror film "Stop Motion," directed and written by Robert Morgan. "Stopmotion" combines live-action with stop-motion animation, offering a unique visual experience that enhances its psychological horror elements. 

The film discussion begins around 18:03.

Wilson:

C'est son Marguerite.

Captain:

Eight.

Wilson:

What.

Captain:

How many Cezannes are we in? Welcome. This is the new Cezanne Cezanne. It ain't no Cezanne without a little Cezanne. You know what I'm saying, what you don't know what season we're in.

Wilson:

It's eight. Did you ever watch the most popular girls in school on YouTube?

Captain:

Yes, I think you send them to me.

Wilson:

there's a character named saison marguerite, and she's like, how you say, bagel, and they're like you just said it.

Captain:

It's a good show, though it's been a while I haven't really uh popped in there. Um, how's your break been?

Wilson:

My break.

Captain:

Yeah, the break's been good I heard you're going through withdrawal symptoms from Kona.

Wilson:

You're right, yeah, so I haven't had, I haven't it's been a long time since you've been out of. Kona. A long time since I've been out of Kona, yeah, so this podcasting sesh I've just had Surfside.

Captain:

Surfside, surfside, surfside.

Wilson:

I don't know who makes it, but yeah, I can tell you. Do you have some resources you can reach out to it's?

Captain:

Stateside Vodka Stateside Stateside Vodka.

Wilson:

Yeah, so not a Kona in sight drinking a vodka, self vodka tea I still have what I was um really loving last season um the bubbles reingeist bubbles I really like them.

Captain:

Did you want to hear some like fun random facts?

Wilson:

yeah, I'm like I would see these topics. I have no idea what they.

Captain:

Yeah, they're really random, but they've been uncovered by me recently and I just wanted to talk to someone uncovered you sound like a, like an archaeologist, you like? Welcome, dug them up um, okay, so this is so random greenland sharks. I looked these up or something popped up recently where I was like this can't be real. This is 100% real. There are these sharks that live in the Arctic Ocean.

Captain:

Okay, and they're not seen very often and they live like in the depths. Okay, but they're especially known for their longevity of life and they're poorly studied due to the depth of their remoteness of their natural habitat. So like we don't know a lot about them, but from what we do know they can live estimated to be somewhere between 250 to 500 years old.

Wilson:

That is outrageous.

Captain:

And the reason why they think this is because they did do a study where they, I think, collected. I think it was like 12 different Greenland sharks they collected, or it was Arctic fishing expeditions over the course of the netting that they did. There was 12 Greenland sharks that got caught in the nets and every time one was caught, scientists would take cells from those sharks.

Wilson:

Sure.

Captain:

And they could decipher that the oldest one was 500 years old and it died in a net. So not uh, of natural causes, which is crazy.

Wilson:

Could you imagine being the scientist that was studying them and they were the cause of death for a 500 year old shark, I mean we don't know that much about him.

Captain:

Like I, I don't I I would feel bad it was like 12 sharks is like all we've really been able to look at like it's not that many how deep are like, are you saying?

Wilson:

arctic depth I don't know what that means. Are they in the arctic or the arctic depth? I don't know what arctic depth means actual arctic ocean well, yeah, but they could be like swimming on the top and be in the arctic ocean.

Captain:

They're in the arctic ocean, and they're also on the floor okay, they're, they're down not where we would ever be okay, okay um, and I just was like blown away by that fact and like, uh, the idea behind it is like, because they live in this really really cold environment that like they just age very slowly. Because of that, it's like almost cryoreservation.

Wilson:

Okay, they're like basically sleeping their entire lives. They're just like existing Well.

Captain:

I don't know. Something else that they found from this thing, where they were collecting these sharks in the nets, is that they don't believe that they reach sexual maturity until 150 years old.

Wilson:

Okay, so it's not just the cold, they're like genetically long-lives.

Captain:

They're long-life bitches. Yes, Damn.

Wilson:

Do they look any different?

Captain:

They look like animals that would live in the depths. This is not a good picture because it's in the depth of the ocean.

Wilson:

Okay, but it looks like a shark with a tiny fin.

Captain:

Yeah they don't get super, super big, but I was just blown away by these facts. That is outrageous. With a tiny fin, yeah, they don't get super, super big, but I was just like blown away by these facts.

Wilson:

That is outrageous.

Captain:

Also it says the longest one that was confirmed was 21 feet, so pretty long that's a big boy. And also sexual maturity, 150 years old. And then they don't. They believe the gestation period. So the entire time that they are making pups could be up to 18 years.

Wilson:

Could you imagine being pregnant for 18 years?

Captain:

Bro, I am just blown away by how slow these things age. It is so weird to me to imagine that A shark that's 500 years old was born in the 1500s.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

Isn't that insane.

Wilson:

That's outrageous, isn't that insane yeah?

Captain:

Like crazy. I don't know.

Wilson:

And that one scientist killed it.

Captain:

Well, the scientist didn't kill it. I think it was fishing nets.

Wilson:

We were fishing Arctic salmon, but they like fished it to study it. No, it wasn't to study it, it was like the fishing If they ever caught a shark in the net, like like a fisherman, called yeah, and then they took okay, fine, fine, that's what it was.

Captain:

It was like hey, we've, we got one in our net do you want, we killed it, but do you want it do? You want it. Yeah, um, don't quote me on that. I'm pretty sure that was what okay, so like it's maybe probably mostly true actually went to like I don't think it was the nih, but it was like another scientific publication and I actually looked at the paper okay, you saw, because I like, I wanted to know yeah, oh yeah, how do you know this?

Captain:

yeah, so yeah, um, I just thought that was like crazy cool that is cool, that is cool and it was super random where I found out about, okay, the other topic okay should we like? I don't know if anyone else wants to be in here, but I feel like they might have things they want to say.

Wilson:

Well, we should say one it's the season premiere, welcome. Did we say that? Were we excited about it? Were we hyped? Okay, we have a guest. Jazz it up.

Captain:

Jay welcome back.

Wilson:

Oh, do you.

Captain:

Jay, can you confirm or deny that we did already welcome people to the new seesaw?

Jay:

it, I think, was mentioned. Uh, briefly, I don't think it was did we not say?

Captain:

seesaw all bunch yeah, I mean.

Wilson:

We said like I mean, you have all these fireworks set up.

Jay:

I don't you haven't lit them off yet yeah, like they're just back there do you have?

Captain:

anything to say about the greenland sharks or?

Jay:

um, it's fascinating for sure.

Wilson:

I can't imagine waking up for 500 years like bro, that's such an ugly thing they probably like sleep for like this is a year at a time or something like yeah, I don't know something outrageous, probably.

Jay:

They probably hibernate a lot. It's in the arctic, right? Yeah, that's just a long time, do you think they?

Wilson:

may be. Just like what if they just like accidentally slide into like a half glacier and then they get frozen?

Jay:

for 30 years and then they wake up. It's just Avatar Hang, but shark style.

Wilson:

Yeah, they're not actually any different than any other shark, they just get frozen. Every once in a while. That actually could be possible.

Jay:

That would be interesting.

Captain:

Yeah, they do carbon dating of their actual proteins in their body. I would say I'd be pretty salty 512 actually was the age of that 512 did?

Jay:

was there any signs that he was like, like on, like his last leg? Yeah, so then he's like in his prime and they just don't really know, they just haven't been able to look at that, right. But I'm saying like it could be lived to a thousand years old how does carbon dating work like Like?

Wilson:

I don't understand how this is another Tannins, I don't know. Yeah, I think I need your best. I think Uneducated guess the element of carbon is the basis of all of the life on earth.

Captain:

Sure On that page, but I think I think they can look at your specific carbon.

Wilson:

Oh God, specific carbon, oh god, and like see how, how degraded. So I think you have like, you have like flaky carbons, like or like I don't know. Yours are like kind of wrinkly right, you know how carbon.

Captain:

I think it's supposed to have. What four charges? I could be making that shit up, but maybe you're like the bonds to your charges. I could be making that shit up too, but like maybe they're on like medicare.

Wilson:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, your bonds are on medicare. I think it's I need to I think it's like they do.

Jay:

I think you're right. I think it's like they know how fast, like the, the rate at which carbon degrades, and what it looks like at each of its phases, and so they can guess, based on the state you're in, how long you've been around it says yeah sorry, I would assume it's like you cut a tree down. You see the rings. You have like little carbon rings, it. It's like, oh, this guy has two rings, so he's like 20 years old.

Captain:

Yeah, it's like the radioisotopes, Ready for that one Chemistry 300. Yeah, it should be like carbon 12 and carbon 14. And then the ratio between those charges as radioactive carbon 14 decays is like, as it's not replaced by the exchange within the atmosphere, then you can. You can tell like how old it is based on that rate what happened to carbon one through 11 14 carbons ago.

Jay:

Yeah, I know what happened to the first 11 carbons and we're not scientist in this way, I'm something of a scientist myself actually okay, then explain it. I need you to tell me well okay, well, um, you know how, cars have a carburetor all right, and you know how I like carbs yeah, you eat carbs, there you go.

Captain:

That's a carb and dating okay, the other thing I wanted to talk about is super random, but I listened to. I heard about this on another podcast. Okay, and it's called the Voynich Manuscript. Okay, that's the name of the podcast. No, that's the name of the thing that I was talking about. I was about to say, like what?

Captain:

But it's an illustrated codex of handwritten in an unknown script and basically it's been around since the 1400s and it has been endlessly meticulously analyzed and we still, to this day, do not know what it means or where or like what it comes from. It. Has these really intricate?

Wilson:

where do they find it?

Captain:

it was in somebody's library voynich which is why it's called the voynich manuscript, because it was in his. He like bought it from some dude and like he had it in his library for a long time and that's's the we can kind of date it back to Based on the here's some carbon dating Carbon date the paper.

Captain:

Yes, they do. They dated the paper of the carbon and they realized it came from the 1400s, but we don't really know exactly where it came from beyond. I don't think they can trace it super far back beyond Voynich, but anyway it's like has these crazy illustrations of it Of like Women in these like Kind of bath houses, but like not exactly, and then like these flowers that are all throughout the book, that like they don't actually look like any flower on earth and like so, like they look like hybrids Of like flowers that you would find Like throughout the Earth, like throughout the earth that they like are weirdly anyway, um, and the script itself, so like here's a pic d.

Captain:

Oh, that looks fun, um, but the script itself, like the language, they don't know it they can't decipher it they cannot decipher it. It's not related to any languages that we've ever found, and there are like whole subreddits that are trying to analyze this. There are people that try that. I've been trying to analyze it for hundreds of years. There are people that have claimed that they've um deciphered it. So here's like some of the pictures of the women whoa watch.

Wilson:

This is like some 14 year old boy yeah it's the world's oldest, oldest porno some people are like it's a hoax.

Captain:

Some people are like you know it's not real. Oh, look at this script. This is the, the script they can't analyze. Isn't that so cool?

Captain:

yeah, I mean it's, it's like intriguing this manuscript is currently at the library at yale. So I was listening to the woman that um is like the librarian and she like this is one of her like main projects is like trying, you know, you know, uh, making sure that this is like maintained. And she like this is one of her like main projects is like try, you know, you know, uh, making sure that this is like maintained. And she also like has tried to decipher it and she like um sometimes will be on the subreddit and like um arguing with people's um theories and she's like, well, that's not true because of this or that's not true because of this um, but I just thought it was like really interesting. Um, that is kind of cool how did you run across this?

Wilson:

um, it was really interesting. That is kind of cool. How did you run across this?

Captain:

It was a podcast I listened to.

Wilson:

Oh right.

Jay:

Yeah, yeah, what do you think it is?

Captain:

I don't know.

Jay:

What does your gut tell you?

Captain:

A lot of the things that they talk about in the podcast that I listened to was like it does seem to be targeted. The implication is to be targeted more towards women, and people think it's. Some of the theories are that it's like a codex of um, like women's health and like um diseases and like ways that you can kind of like um, naturally cure women.

Captain:

Like health issues like um and like women empowerment, almost um. But there's this huge like question mark of like why is it coded? Like no one can understand, like what in here is so important that it's coded and we don't can't decipher, like what the code is like why is it from the 1400s? Interesting. You could like you could read whole books about the Voynich manuscript.

Jay:

Do you?

Captain:

know what region of the world this is. That is a good question.

Jay:

They don't think, they even really know, oh, so it's just somewhere in.

Captain:

It says the manuscript is indicated that it was composed in Italy during the Italian Renaissance, supposedly.

Wilson:

Okay.

Captain:

And they believe based on the writing, they believe it was like five different authors, so it's like not even all one person. Um, based on like the way that the script is all, like the way it's written, yeah um, I don't know, it was just. It was really cool.

Wilson:

I was like I feel like there's people that could talk about this for like a zillion hours, because there are people that dedicate all their spare time like on reddit it's like so I am intrigued, but part of me is like I don't want to even get into it, because if there's not a clear answer, I don't want to get really invested in something there's no answer to something you can't like.

Wilson:

Verify yeah like all those crime documentaries, if there's no resolution, I'm not going to waste my time hearing about something that I really want to know the answer to no different theories, but you have no way to know which one's right.

Captain:

Like look at this, it is a picture of some of the flowers. No, some of the flowers and then the writing around it. It's very strange. Anyway, I just thought it was cool.

Wilson:

It was cool.

Captain:

And they don't know anything. And if you also don't want to know anything, you can look it up on there if I want to know more.

Wilson:

But nothing. I'll look into it, thank you.

Jay:

I wanted to talk about it, no it's interesting, it is interesting. What do you think it is? What do I think the manuscript is?

Captain:

I told you some people think it's a hoax, right like some people think, boy did pulled out 1400 year old paper I think it's yeah and wrote on it and then so like I was trying to sell it for a bunch of money but they obviously didn't right.

Wilson:

But, like I, like, I think people still want to know that the codex right. Yeah, what do you? Well, they were. It was a hoax like.

Captain:

I want to know what it says well, they thought it was just like scribbles is it english, but?

Jay:

it's like five it's like a western alphabet, right, no, no, it's no, you can look it up interesting. If one is a is a character, um, I think it's either, like you said, a hoax, that's like the most you know occam's razor. The most obvious answer is the one that's most probably. I mean like probably. Just, I don't think that's the most obvious answer, but if it's not that, then I think it could be. Why would you put so much time into a hoax?

Captain:

I would say it could be a group of women. It's so extensive.

Jay:

You know, 1400s is not exactly the most. It's not the easiest time to be a woman, especially an educated woman who's trying to disseminate information that may contradict certain organized religions and or male scientists at the time. So you just code it up, you're like, hey, I know they're saying one thing, but we know the drawings in the book are also like, very extensive.

Captain:

It's like if you were trying to make it a secret. You're putting a lot in there. Oh, you're saying like, yeah, like you're putting a lot in there about women. Men are dumb.

Jay:

They don't even know. Very easy to fool it's on record yeah, you can fool a bear, you can fool a man um yeah, that's what I have.

Captain:

Oh, we already talked about what we were drinking, right?

Jay:

No, we didn't.

Wilson:

We talked about what I'm drinking.

Captain:

I said I'm drinking Bubbles.

Wilson:

You said that Uh-huh. Bubblies. So I guess we don't know what Jay's drinking.

Jay:

Oh, it is a bit of a mystery. It's something called Surfside Raspberry Tea and Vodka, something we've never heard of before. No, never before you haven't heard it in at least 10-15 minutes, because that's what Wilson's drinking.

Wilson:

So do you want to bop us in? We can bop. Bop us into our first episode of season 8.

Jay:

Can you actually bip us?

Wilson:

Yeah, maybe not a bop.

Captain:

What about a bip bop?

Wilson:

Buka to Beppo.

Captain:

Welcome to the 164th episode of the Red Run Podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two. And I'm Captain.

Wilson:

And I'm Wilson.

Captain:

And this week we're reviewing the 2023 Horror Stop Motion. What?

Wilson:

I said, and I'm Jay, oh sorry.

Jay:

Hey, jay, it's fine, I'm just like a little recurring character.

Captain:

This is directed by robert morgan, not to be confused with dexter. Oh my god, original sin we should have talked about. Oh yeah, oh, next time.

Wilson:

Well, okay, I think I think by the next time the our next episode comes out, what we'll see?

Captain:

like the whole season, oh, so we can just talk about it from there.

Wilson:

Oh, and the new season, the new show might be out.

Jay:

Yeah, about the first half of 2025. I am super excited about that. We don't have to get into it, but very excited.

Captain:

This is just a little flag just for everybody, including myself. It's like Original Sin and Resurrection. They got to be on the pod.

Wilson:

Yeah, we'll get Michael C Hall, just bop him in here.

Jay:

Or bick him in here. My boy Mikey, he's still got it.

Wilson:

Yeah, my boy.

Captain:

Mike, yeah, I'll bring him in Tonight's the night so. Robert Morgan is this director and he hasn't really done a lot. It's mostly a lot of shorts like this is his I think directorial debut of a feature length.

Wilson:

This one kind of felt like a short, it did kind of feel that way, yeah I mean, it's basically a bunch of little shorts together well, yeah, I mean, if you're looking at the subject matter specifically like, stop motion is a bunch of little shorts um, but he the thing that he is that, in my opinion, would be most known for.

Captain:

Like he's on some. Whatever the fuck the cat with hands is, I don't want to see that shit. Um, but like he's terrifying that I would think he's most known for is he is in the abcs of death 2 and he did d is for d loused I.

Wilson:

I think we saw the first one in college.

Captain:

Not two.

Wilson:

No.

Captain:

Okay, Well, he did. D is for Deloused, and I'm guessing that has the bugs.

Wilson:

So I don't want to see it. Oh yeah, I wonder if that's like murderous lice.

Captain:

I don't know what else it'd be Well, damn, I mean right, I'm sorry. Oh, it does not sound like that.

Jay:

Sick burn.

Wilson:

Oh, I'm skimming it, and that is not lice.

Captain:

That is not. The delousing is a random letter.

Wilson:

Oh wait, a giant insect becomes small and crawls into what was once the man's head. Oh Great, that does sound Okay.

Jay:

That sounds kind of fun, I'm just going to add this to my list, but also gross.

Wilson:

Gross and intriguing.

Captain:

Okay, so the cast.

Wilson:

Yes.

Captain:

We have oh gosh Aisling.

Wilson:

Aisling, are you saying that right? Let me look at his name the main girl Aisling Francosi she looks familiar. Oh, ciosi, now I know what she's.

Captain:

I don't know, but she plays ella in this movie and she's best known for her roles in the nightingale 2018 and then um, she's leona stock in game of thrones and she's also in the fall.

Wilson:

We've seen her in the fall. She's in the fall. We've seen her in the fall.

Captain:

She's in the fall, which is the one with Gillian Anderson. Yeah.

Wilson:

I think she's the girl that almost gets dead. Do you know who?

Captain:

Lyanna Stark is in Game of Thrones. I believe it's.

Jay:

Ned Stark's sister. She would have been a very small part.

Wilson:

Oh yeah, like the whole.

Jay:

Robert Baratheon was in love with her.

Wilson:

Yeah, I, robert Baratheon, was in love with her. Yeah, I guess it's a spoiler, but yeah, she's in there very briefly Well. I don't want to spoil it.

Captain:

I mean. It's been out my dog it's been out, but it still would be she had done, been out. Aisling has won she done, already, done had hers. Aisling has won an oh, I looked it up An ACTA Award, which is an Australian Academy of Cinema and Tevelovision.

Wilson:

Arts Award Tevelovision, tevelovision. It's like a telenovela and that was for Nightingale.

Jay:

Wait, he directed Nightingale.

Captain:

No, no, no, Aisling the main girl in this movie.

Jay:

Oh, okay.

Captain:

Nightingale is the one with John Kit Harington or no?

Jay:

No, john Kit Harington or no, john Kit Harington Nightingale is like someone's assaulted. Oh no, no, sorry.

Captain:

Further in somebody else was in a Kit Harington. Okay, so that's Ella. And then Stella Garnet. It plays Ella's mom, susan, in this movie, and she's recognized for her performances in some shit I've never heard of. Do you know those things? I mean, don't the house of elliot and then nicholas nickleby come on.

Wilson:

That's a fun name, well, nicholas nickleby is a household.

Jay:

Nick nickleby.

Captain:

Yeah, nick nick yeah um stella's boy, nope, ella's boyfriend in this movie is Tom, played by Tom. Tom's done nothing. He's done some shit I've never heard of. And then Tom's sister, polly, is played by I'm sorry, I did it wrong Therica Wilson Reed. And then she's appeared in the Witcher as Sabrina Galvestig.

Jay:

The Witcher is a TV show.

Wilson:

I watched season one.

Captain:

Is she in that? I don't know, sabrina.

Jay:

I haven't seen the Witcher TV show yet.

Captain:

I think she's in like 10 episodes. I think she's like a main character.

Wilson:

In season one.

Captain:

I don't know.

Wilson:

Did you play the?

Jay:

game? I did not. Oh, they just announced the next game.

Captain:

Oh Well, that's not for the podcast.

Jay:

The main character's a woman.

Wilson:

now, Ow ow no.

Captain:

That's uninterested. So, and then, lastly, there's a little girl.

Wilson:

Say that name Just titled.

Captain:

Say that name. Just titled little girl in this film, but, oh God, played by what am I supposed to say? Cowlin?

Wilson:

Maybe it's just like Kalen. Let me see.

Captain:

C-A-O-I-L-I-N-N. Cowlian I don't know. Springle Okay, she's been in a Kit Harington movie, the Beast Within.

Jay:

Didn't that come out this year?

Captain:

Yeah, and she's in the Midnight Sky, sky which I think was directed by george clooney, they said, and she was in an amazon series called citadel, which I think I've heard of um, apparently it's pronounced queelan or keelan queelan is crazy yeah, it's like an irish oh, that's right, like stars yeah everyone's, yeah, everyone's saying Quilon or Quilon. Quilon.

Jay:

It's like one of those names like isn't it like a Shyvana Irish name?

Wilson:

Shyvana is spelled with a T yeah.

Jay:

Siobhan Right, yeah, Siobhan, Like you see it and you're like what? And then you hear it pronounced like I've heard that name a million times, oh yeah.

Wilson:

The first time, Siobhan, I had never seen the spelling so I was like I have no idea how to say that or spell that yeah, there's a lot of like cilantro.

Jay:

You see it spelled like Cilantro. No cilantro.

Captain:

It's like the Irish bars Like cheers.

Jay:

It's how they say, cheers, but it's spelled crazy.

Wilson:

It's like S-L-A-I-N-T-E, n-t-e, yeah.

Jay:

Right, but it's pronounced slainte.

Captain:

But I would have never pronounced it that way, unless I heard someone say it.

Jay:

It's not slainte, that's what I said. We actually met at a bar earlier when we first got to know each other and I was like, oh slainte. And then the bartender looked at me like they wanted to wring my neck.

Wilson:

They they probably get it all the time?

Captain:

yeah, they probably get it endlessly yeah so that's kind of our main cast. I mean that's pretty much everybody in the whole movie, to be honest yeah it's a tight group it's a tight knit besties, so this movie is real artsy. Just to start off it is we get some weird snips in the beginning of like an egg spinning, not on the nips um, and then she is like dancing what you don't remember that?

Jay:

no, I remember that.

Captain:

that was like the best part, and then she's like in the club we all dance in, and then I don't know, it's really, it's kind of weird. It's just her like dancing around and then that's just like our what do you call that? When there's like here's a snip of the middle of the moves, just for the beginning, just for the vibes.

Jay:

That cold open Okay.

Wilson:

Kind beating just for the vibes that cold open okay, kind of, but it's not.

Captain:

You mean, if they like, show a later part.

Wilson:

It's not like in sequential order. Oh, you're saying that they show. They show a snip yeah oh, I didn't think that was out of order part, or what do you mean?

Captain:

that wasn't. Oh, was that that?

Jay:

was actually. I think it's in order. I think it's just showing like a day in her life. Oh okay, so she's like dancing at night in the club and then it's disorienting because it's just showing like a day in her life.

Captain:

Oh okay, so she's like dancing at night in the club and then it's disorienting because it it just kind of starts well, it's that.

Jay:

And like it like the first scenes when they're pieced together. It's like this makes no sense. Like she's like working on a movie, but she's in a house and she goes downstairs. She's at the bar. I'm like what, what's?

Captain:

going on yeah, but yeah she is making like felt puppets with her mom, basically, and they're making a stop motion film. But, she's helping her mom because her mom has severe arthritis so her mom can't do all the movements.

Wilson:

Her mom is terrible.

Captain:

And so she has Ella do all of the movements for her. So her mom's still the director. Yeah, she's a bitch, she's screaming at her daughter.

Wilson:

I mean I wasn't going to say it, but like she is at first I was like is she the assistant?

Captain:

because she's getting treated so poorly yeah but then you see the scene of them eating dinner and she's still there and she's helping to cut her mom's meal and you're like, oh wait, no, this is not assistant work. So then you realize that, like it's probably, uh, family, yeah um but you can tell she's like not that happy doing that.

Captain:

Um, she does. Then you see her at night again where she we see her meet with her like artsy friends and her boyfriend and they're having fun. And you realize, okay, like, although she's like dressed like a mormon and working with her mom, like she actually is a somewhat normal person with a life and a boyfriend, and she even, like, hangs out with her boyfriend all night and says like hey, I have to leave and get back to my house before she wakes up.

Wilson:

Um, which I was like it's giving teenager and you're definitely an adult yeah, she gets home, she lays down and her mom's like all right time for work yeah, immediately.

Captain:

Um, but the second day of her working on this movie, that's when things get real weird, where her mom like screams at her almost in a demonic way that like don't move that.

Wilson:

Like yeah weird thing that she does and then she has a stroke and faints in the basement and the lights flicker or something I don't know what's going on with that, but yeah, like flickers, her mom disappears and it turns out she was like on the floor stroking yeah we're having a stroke yeah, but she was like desperately trying to finish this specific stop motion movie that she wanted to do before she dies and I think she even, like creepily, whispers something along those lines in ella's ear, while she's

Captain:

telling ella you cannot move, do not even blink. Um, it's like really abusive, um? So her mom's like in a coma, like she's in a coma. She's com Ella, you cannot move, do not even blink. It's like really abusive. So her mom's like in a coma, like she's in a coma, she's comatose in the hospital and she's out the movie pretty much I understand, but this does affect Ella severely.

Captain:

She's sad but she also like decides that that like she doesn't want to be like weary through life after a day and she just wants to finish this movie like to honor her mom. But I don't really understand the purpose. Like she, she rents an apartment.

Jay:

I don't really get that like why they were working in a space already yeah, but I think I think her boyfriend mentions like you shouldn't have to be there, and at first he offered his place and she was like no, I think this is fine. I wasn't sure who's paying for it. It kind of seemed like he was paying for it.

Wilson:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the description. I didn't catch this in the movie, but I guess his family or he owns an apartment building and let her use one of them.

Jay:

Yeah, but she already had the whole thing set up in the basement. I don't, yeah, but I think the the the thing that happened with her mom, I think just kind of was heavy on her being in that space. I think wasn't good I guess so also I just I got the. I think the impression the movie is giving like she doesn't like being there in general, well, yeah, kind of her mom being her mom that comes out later, yeah, but so I think that's also lying yeah.

Captain:

So she gets a separate apartment space to do her work, she sets it up, but she like quickly, she um meets this like weird, like little girl that lives in the building who's like singing and it's kind of creepy. But basically she like quickly wants to be involved in the movie and she even tells ella like the story that you have is boring. I think this is where ella tells her what the story is, which is a cyclops that um decides to sacrifice it's one of its eyes, which now, therefore, it is a cyclops um to see its future, and then the future that they see is just its death, which is like laid out, I guess, like basically while working.

Wilson:

I think that story sounds kind of intriguing, but the little girl said it was boring.

Captain:

I think at the moment you hear it it's very meta because her mom literally worked herself to death and is now in a coma and she can't even use her fingers anymore because of her arthritis. You're like, I know this movie is artsy and I can see it pretty quickly. This is just a metaphor for her mom's life. So like we get it. But yeah, the little girl's like that's boring. And then she presents Ella with this different story about a young girl lost in the woods who, like, is being chased by this entity that is going to come and get her.

Wilson:

I never would have hung out with this girl.

Captain:

No, I said. While we were watching I was like where's this girl's parents? If this was a real girl Because, let's say, ella was a man who invited this little girl into her apartment this would have been looked at way differently.

Jay:

Yeah, it's kind of obvious that yeah.

Captain:

So it's pretty obvious that this is not real.

Jay:

She's there for hours.

Captain:

It's like real, yeah, yeah like someone should be looking for you at this point yeah, um, but yeah, the conversation they have is kind of funny because, uh, she's like this is boring and ella's like okay, well, how would I make it better?

Captain:

and she was like the only way to make it better is to make a different story, which is a little kid answer yeah um, so I, yeah, she tells her about you know you need to go, you need to do this scene with this forest thing, um, and then I can't remember, when, um, like I don't remember exactly, like what happens, but she, I think she what she starts, she blacks out, oh yeah, that's right. She blacks out and she like wakes up. That's right, she blacks out and she like wakes up to it Like part of the scene is already made and like the old puppet is destroyed and the new creepy doll girl is made, right.

Wilson:

Yeah, this looks so disgusting yeah.

Captain:

That creepy doll thing of the new little girl in the woods is horrifying.

Wilson:

They're so fleshy and like disturbing.

Jay:

You think they're fleshy now? Well, yeah, they're not fleshy yet it's disturbing.

Captain:

And then there's like a scene of her like again, I think, hanging out with some friends, or oh yeah, that's right, tom's a little worried about her because she's like diving deep into this, and Tom's sister comes to check on her.

Captain:

Tom's terrible yeah tom's sister polly comes to check on her and sees like what she's doing with this girl in the forest, but ella basically kind of like pushes her out, doesn't really want her there. Okay, then little girl comes back and she's like you know, this doll's okay, but it really needs to be made out of meat. Like it's not good enough unless it's made out of meat and it is as nasty as it sounds, has her pull steak from the trash or something and remake the doll.

Captain:

And then we hear the story of the Ashman, which is the thing that's chasing her, and she said, little girl says the Ashman will come for three nights and he'll knock on the door for the one night and then the second night he'll see her.

Wilson:

And touch her.

Captain:

I think the second night he touches her and touch her, yeah, and then first, night sees her second night, that's her yeah, um, so yeah, she's diving in really deep and eventually little girl says you need to make these, the ash van, even fleshier by using a dead fox carcass, um which she brings her to in the woods, um, and at first ellis says no, but that doesn't last very long.

Wilson:

And I think around this time they do offer the boyfriend's sister, offers her a job or whatever at where the sister works, which is a stop motion company.

Captain:

Yeah, they make commercials or adverts with stop motion.

Wilson:

But they told her once she got there she wouldn't actually be doing stop motion, just like helping with it, right. And then she also finds out the sister-in-law took her idea a little bit towards the, towards further, like further in.

Captain:

At first, um, she goes to the sister to try to trip on drugs because she doesn't like the story of the ashtray and is like kind of creepy to her and she like doesn't necessarily want to do it that way, but she remembers that she's heard Polly say like you know, some of my best stories or my best works come from me like tripping balls. So she asks her for some drugs and that's a weird fucking night with the clown puppets and like they're in the club but they're not all fam.

Captain:

Like it is Right, right it's like no, it's a.

Jay:

It's a series of sequences of her assumingly being on drugs, kind of just drifting through a lot of skin pinching. Remember she was like, yeah, she has sex with her boyfriend, but she's like really like molding his skin. She's like obsessed with touching his skin and like she's almost messing with it, like the molding play earlier that she was in the doll. She's like just really needing it, oh my gosh.

Captain:

And then there was that guy that got in a bar fight and was bleeding and she's full fingers oh, she like stuck her hands in his head. Yeah, wilson, we don't have a lot, a lot of these like that I've mentioned, but this is a poor one out this. This is a poor one out, right here, the blood, the fingers in.

Wilson:

I think I texted you I was like I don't think you're going to like this.

Captain:

Yeah, and I it's, as it is way weirder than I thought this movie was going to be Super gross.

Jay:

The guys just stand there, just like.

Captain:

We pour one out for that.

Wilson:

A bad poor one out um.

Captain:

A bad poor one, not like after this trippy drug thing, then she's like you know what I do? Need that fox carcass, fuck me so she like goes in, goes to get it and she sculpts it um to make the ash man to make the ash man which I think around this time.

Captain:

You realize, the ash man is like becoming real, almost. It's like very meta, like the ash man is coming to her doll in the story and the ashtray is also like according to her perception, is like also like coming after ella in real life in the apartment yeah, but like she's also like kind of tripping balls, so you're like not really sure. She sees like a piece of like an ash man's arm, like coming up the steps of her apartment building, um, and red eyes are like bugging out through the people.

Wilson:

But then you find out that she was like oh, I didn't actually take the drugs she didn't even take the drugs.

Captain:

She wakes up on the floor the next morning with Tom and she still has the drugs in the bags. I was gooped for that.

Jay:

She's like I didn't even take it and she's like throw it on the floor.

Captain:

I literally wrote an on-cop. She didn't even take the test and the boyfriend's understandably worried.

Wilson:

He's like we need to, maybe we like don't do this Right, and she's like no.

Captain:

I can do it Also. A crazy scene is when she goes to sleep that night she has a nightmare of her girl. Puppet is opens the bedroom. She almost has like sleep paralysis.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

And that opens the bedroom, crawls into the bed and starts touching her and ripping her leg open her skin open Again pour mine out for that one, horrifying.

Wilson:

Horrifying.

Captain:

She goes to see her mom in the hospital again, basically to tell her like oopsie poops, I can't finish your story. I have this other one that's going well.

Wilson:

Oh yeah, she destroyed like the whole set of her mom's movie is more disturbing to me.

Captain:

In this movie and this is hard, but nothing's more disturbing to me than she starts to do animation on her coma, her comatose mother in the hospital. Did you see that where she was like moving the hand thing?

Captain:

oh, yeah, and I was like this is so unnerving this is this person's not dead, but they're not alive and you're using them as an object. It was so weird and I guess it's like inverted, like almost revenge, because her mom basically used her as a puppet, like to do her work, so like I don't even know if ella realizes that like she's like doing it in reaction. I don't know, but I hated. I hated that I thought it.

Wilson:

I took it from a different perspective of like, not in a way of honoring her mom, but like, uh, no, just hang out with her. Like I'm just gonna like animate you.

Captain:

I don't know something about that is oh, it's so unnerving, I really don't like it. Um, but yeah, she goes back to like filming her scene, her thing with the girl in the woods, um, and she does. I think the little girl tells her like the man touches her and she's like that's, I don't want to do that for the second night, but it doesn't really seem like she has a say, like the little girl's like no, that's what happens um, and there's also that like you can tell that Ella is like losing her mind, I guess.

Wilson:

Oh yeah, she's starting to look kind of bad. She's looking bad, she's losing touch with reality.

Captain:

Like you can tell Tom's worried about her but it's like her only connection to the real world. Like he's it, her set like becomes the Ash man, which I thought was a cool thing that they did. Or like her set becomes alive and like the ash man comes out of it yeah, and he is like the set um and then he like touches her and he like she becomes a clay puppet.

Wilson:

It gets real weird, like crack dreams, but it's not and then after this is where she basically ends up in a hospital, right?

Captain:

well, yeah, she like, yeah, she like becomes a clay puppet. She's like that thing where she's hiding in the wall as like a miniature. There's like a weird cushion room. Um, it's kind of like you know the shining where, like, they open doors and like random shit's happening and that's kind of what I was. I was like it was. That's where it was bringing me um. The ash man puts a black like egg thing in her mouth.

Wilson:

I don't know um she I did read a theory about all this.

Captain:

I did read a theory about this as well, um, she wakes up in the hospital and tom is like enough with it, girlfriend, we're destroying everything that you have going on because it's killing you and I'll show you killing and she was like what, let me destroy it with you, because I can't deal with you destroying it by yourself.

Captain:

But then her mom dies, like in the same hospital, um, so I think she like she can't deal with it anymore. Like things are her life that which was happening a week ago is like so different from now and like things get really haywire. Um, I can't even explain everything that happens, but like she's digging in her own, she tries to kill the little girl, choking her out and the little girl's like he.

Wilson:

Do you feel better now, right, yeah, yeah like, like, like, choking her out, did nothing.

Captain:

So you like, it's very clear that this is like a little version of her, like her child, her inner child's voice well, she agrees with tom to destroy her work.

Jay:

Then she breaks out of the hospital early so she can go there without tom. Yeah, try to finish her project oh yeah, that's true and then she's, like, has her final moment of like I don't want to be this way, and tries to kill the little girl who, you know, is kind of like a manifestation of her inner voice. I guess we'll talk about the theories beyond that.

Captain:

There's like but it doesn't work.

Wilson:

Weird, she starts digging into her own life because she's like I need meat to animate yeah, but the tom and his sister show up and see her do this right yeah, and it is horrific.

Captain:

it's as bad as you would imagine of like digging in her leg and like ripping a tendon out, but she's in pain the whole time. So like she's screaming while she's doing it. Yeah, and then Tom and Polly show up and girls like they obviously try to stop her.

Jay:

Tom's like enough of this shit yeah.

Captain:

Tom is an incredible person for sticking with her.

Jay:

Yeah, I mean yeah, he's Well.

Captain:

I mean he dies her.

Jay:

Yeah, I mean yeah, he's well. Yeah, I mean he dies.

Wilson:

Yes, because they try to basically take her back to the hospital.

Captain:

The sister dies too, even though I'm not really that upset oh, she had that coming the deaths are are also like, not simple like she like paulie gets stabbed with the leg of a police is brutal. Yeah, isn't that what it was? It was was like a camera leg.

Wilson:

Yeah, like right in the throat, pushes it into her throat, but Tom gets thrown down the stairs and then, I think, choked.

Captain:

His head gets cracked and then he gets choked out.

Jay:

Yeah, she just suffocates him.

Captain:

And then she drags those two bodies back to the apartment so she can use them to animate stuff, because it's fresh meat.

Wilson:

Nasty bitch.

Captain:

But then like I don't know what's happening and how real this is now they're like three foot size puppets yeah. Using like the flesh from their bodies yeah but they're like moving around by themselves and like the little guy like basically comes towards her and then I don't know like eats her face or something in the closet.

Captain:

It becomes a full-size ash man thing, I don't really know and then she ends up being in a cabin yeah, like the cabin, yeah, it's like she's inside the ash man story and she is the little girl running through the forest hiding from him, um, but uh, she's like while she walks in there, it's her as ella, and then the little girl is in there watching the movie, like inside the cabin. It's very meta again, um, and the little girl says I love it and ella like nods at her, climbs into the chest, uh, with the same like yellow cushiony thing that, um, we saw earlier in the movie and it's almost like a coffin. She climbs in there, slowly, closes the lid and lays down her body to die.

Wilson:

So, yeah, I think that's like I forget who mentioned that to her earlier in the movie, but I think it was her mom. But basically she basically told her you just do what people are told.

Captain:

She said you can't really control this the way you need to to be a real artist. And she says you're just basically like a little puppet. And then her quote is once the puppets are played with, they go back into the box.

Wilson:

So that's what's happening at the end.

Captain:

And her mom is actually funny Her mom herself actually calls her puppet, which usually is a pet name, but in this situation it's actually no, you are objectively literally my puppet, which is like kind of crazy. I like that they play with that because you know, I never heard that interpretation of that pet name or like used in that way.

Jay:

Yeah, it's not really a term of endearment.

Wilson:

No, no, it's just very cold to our clutter. So what theory did you read about this?

Captain:

Well, so there's two main ones that I've seen, but I think I agree with one of them way more than the other. Yeah, so one of them's, like you know, she was touched by a little girl, not by her, she was touched when she was a little girl. Very different when she was a little girl, and this is her kind of unpacking a trauma from that that she like didn't really get a chance to unpack. But I think it makes a lot more sense that her mom's an abuser and the Ash man is a metaphor for her mom. So basically, you know, her mom has been her abuser her entire life. But also her life is like so blended into her mom's life that it's almost like one life in, like into one or two lives into one.

Captain:

So when her mom goes into the coma, she like doesn't know how to cope, she doesn't know how to navigate because she's like she even says early in the movie multiple times she's like I don't have my own voice, remember, because like they're asking people are asking like tom, you know he was like why don't you make your own movie? Like you don't have to be your mom's hands. And she's like I don't have a voice, so like she doesn't know how to navigate life without her mom and she's like well, I can dive into her art and try to find my voice, but like she doesn't really know how to do that or how to control it, which is the words they use in the movie so she like just is really destructive, almost like childlike like she doesn't know, I don't know the right way to go, like go about stuff.

Captain:

So she's just like destructive and I don't know, plays with carcasses I don't know, ends up killing people like she doesn't know, she doesn't know how to be a person because she hasn't had to.

Captain:

Yeah, and the only person that she's interacted with the most is someone really abusive. So she like can't do stuff and when she has an idea, she'll just like go with it wherever that leads, which ends up being this like girl in the forest getting chased by the Ashman, which is like literally her mother. I liked Jay was saying that like what he was kind of reading was like the black egg that was being pushed into their mouths is like their mom was like a. Like her mom was literally force feeding her ideas, like shoving them down ella's throat because you know, abuse I heard a completely different theory so um, that was kind of what that was.

Captain:

I was really confused by the egg stuff. So like that's what I wanted to like know about um and then the egg cracking at the end that like spinning egg. We see um is like she's not taking it anymore. Basically, I don't know that's what. That's what we were talking about after we watched it what was your theory?

Jay:

so well, it wasn't with my theory.

Wilson:

But like what I, what I had read was that she as a child had been sexually assaulted and the ash man, like the egg, was like the seed, like somebody like sexually assaulted her and that was like how she like coped with it. I thought that was interesting. I think that's the one that I guess I more closely think happened, but I don't, I, I don't know I just feel like there's no.

Captain:

We have no male presence in her life in a negative light, like Tom is never seen in a negative light. So it almost makes to me it makes more sense to the Ashman as her mom Cause like that's what we see as the audience. We see nothing else. That's, you know, a negative person to her. So I just feel like that makes sense.

Jay:

Yeah, early on in the movie she's extremely verbally abusive to her and you see, even in like her mom's final moments, kind of how warped her reality is. Like her mom is like her voice is getting demonic when she's like move the effing doll two millimeters and it kind of just kind of exact, accentuates how much of a dominating monster she is in her life. You know she's like we don't get a lot of it.

Jay:

It's like it seems so innocuous in the beginning where she's like you know, maybe I can do some ideas. She's like oh yeah, what ideas do you have? And it kind of cuts away from that scene. But then you realize throughout the movie as they refer back to it's like oh, she didn't say anything. Like her mom was literally just like you don't have any fucking ideas. Like just shut up and do what I tell you to do. Like literally I mean not literally, but like almost verbatim that's what you told her to do. And so the like uh wilson said I saw that theory was like, hey, I think it's like a sexual assault thing. I was like, yeah, that that does make, that does line up with the imagery that they show. Like a lot, like it's very creepy. And you're like, oh man, this is gross. But then the other fear I saw was just like uh captain said, where it's like, hey, the ash man's her mom, it's like a dominating monster in her life.

Jay:

At one point she's like carving out her face and feeding it to the ash man and they said that like is, like her like just giving her entire body to her mom. Like she, she has to cut up all her steak and feed her. Like she has to wait on her hand and foot. It's like. That's just kind of like her whole life is being given to this monster that controls her, um, which I thought was interesting. I, you know, watching it without any of the. I always feel weird about having to google stuff I like it makes me want like roll my eyes.

Wilson:

Yeah, it's like I have to google.

Jay:

Yeah, like like she's literally getting into a puppet box at the end and I'm like I I'm like I'm gonna have to look this up, like I don't know, I'm like I'm. I'm kind of lost here, like honestly Like.

Wilson:

I clearly missed something major here.

Jay:

Like you hit the pause button, you're like there's no more time left. Like okay, this is it. I was like, all right, you should have, I guess, saw this coming.

Captain:

I don't remember, like there's a callback, it's like the same room that she was getting chased in and I'm like what she got in that box and the closing of the of the top of it is like very slow, it's like a full 15 seconds and while it was happening I was like, right, yeah cool, cool, yeah, yeah, the all the box. Yes, now it's all coming together like I was, just like annoyed google search.

Jay:

Yeah, yeah, it's no, I mean, it makes Google search, it makes sense Either way. Actually, both theories make sense. But I didn't really get that watching it. I guess it's on me, but also, again, a lot of these movies where you question the protagonist's reality and their experience and you're trying to digest what's actually happening, what's not happening. It kind of makes it hard to try to like, go back and like oh, this is pointing back to the scene in act two where it's just like dude, she just chopped up a woman's throat and turned her into a meat puppet. Now she's getting into a box like I don't even know. Evil Mary Poppins.

Captain:

I'm like right, the ash man coming after her and like pushing things into her and stuff. I was like, what am I watching? It's like is this?

Jay:

happening. Yeah, yeah, I, it's not a bad.

Captain:

No no, no, no, no. I don't, why can't I just?

Wilson:

it's not a bad no, no no, no, no it's me, I'm the, and like that's the harmony. I just want a straightforward, stupid stop motion. Back in my day, creepy puppets were enough.

Jay:

I don't need no intellectual shit, freaking dissertation over here Back in my day creepy puppets were enough. I don't need no intellectual shit. Freaking dissertation over here.

Captain:

Seriously Okay, but that was basically. I do want to go to a short commercial break now that we have a sponsor and we'll be right back.

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Wilson:

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Captain:

Reportedly the budget was like a million dollars or less and the box office was oh yeah, it was in certain theaters for a very small time, like AMC did show it. I remember it was in the list wait, you like remember seeing it.

Wilson:

I remember seeing it on the AMC app, oh wow, okay, but it was in the list. Oh you, wait, you like remember seeing it listed. I remember seeing it on the AMC app oh wow.

Captain:

Okay, yeah, but it was made at approximately $804,000, so less than what it would cost basically.

Wilson:

Yeah, if the budget is, but in any case it sounds like they didn't really yeah.

Captain:

It was like barely, it's just really artsy, so like, if that's not what you're down for, then I mean it's like it's a horror movie, because like it is truly disgusting I think like it, um, it was really close to being the type of artsy that like won a bunch of awards, but it wasn't quite there.

Wilson:

That's how I view it. Like it was almost like it had all the makings of like a really artsy movie that people would love, but it just like wasn't there yeah, I know I do get that, um, I mean people do like it.

Captain:

On rotten tomatoes, the um the critics like it have a 91 because it like it has those pieces and then, but audiences of 49 because if you have to goog, points get taken yeah, they do, they do, they really do um you always have letterbox on here.

Wilson:

I mean a 3.1, okay, um I mean that kind of like tracks with that like um, oh, I didn't look at any of the hot goose, is this? Uh, there's, there's honestly not like. It's kind of they share some things about the, the filming process, oh, but nothing's like um. So it's like interesting, just read like how they kind of did it, but none of it's really goss yeah, none of it's really goose a sling prepared for her roles.

Captain:

Is there any goss? Yeah, I don't think so. Um, she prepared for her role by training in some stop motion animation before portraying Ella, and the film has some eerie enhancements by the practical effects of handcraft puppets, aligning with Morgan's traditionalist. What is this? I don't know what that is.

Wilson:

Who wrote this crap?

Jay:

I think AI wrote this crap.

Wilson:

I mean, yeah, I think ai wrote that that's, that's, that's our boy ghost in the show um wait, what would you rate this?

Jay:

oh, that's right.

Captain:

Um yeah, what's your ratty addy addy I don't know man, you're ratty addy and you're raggy aggy okay. Do you have a raggy aggy? I think I do have those.

Wilson:

Yeah, I don't have a specific moment, but I will say I think the work they did on the stop motion was really good. Just seeing the stop motion girl you could see how the doll was feeling. They did emotions very well. I thought they emoted that.

Captain:

I've never seen a movie like this, where it incorporates real live action people and stop motion seamlessly like in a scene it was kind of weird. I like something about that I don't like I don't want to see it.

Wilson:

I think the yeah, I would say the stop motion effects are great captain herself just doesn't like it.

Captain:

It it freaks me out. I don't want to see claymation moving around me fair, real talk.

Wilson:

What, what was it? Do you have a razor glass?

Captain:

oh, yes, my razor glass actually was a jump scare that got me. When she's tripping balls but not actually tripping balls, um, she sees like the ash man is coming in into her life, in her real life.

Captain:

There's a there when she looks in her peephole because she feels like the ash man is outside her door and she looks in there and there's like a bulging, like bright red eye, like staring at her, like it's a jump scare and I, we, I like we, we did jump but you have to know if we're watching a scary movie and somebody's looking through a peephole like there's gonna be a jump scare better than when I thought it was gonna be okay how the movie was going and I was just one giant angry eye did you ever raise a glass, jay?

Jay:

well, I did like that scene um wow remain nameless took that scene from me, um, and even though we agreed privately before airing this, that scene would belong to me. But what another bridge, um, I'm trying to think. So I do agree with wilson that a lot of the the animation stop motion work was really good. Um, as far as, like, scary moments go, there's a moment where, early on in the movie, um, the lights are flickering in her mom's studio her mom's still alive but like they have like what looks like the most crazy, dangerous set of wires, extensions and wires in the back room.

Jay:

That's just like literally sparking electricity and eventually the lights go out and her mom disappears and she reappears real quickly and scares us, the viewers, before she dies. I thought that was pretty good. It's really on the movie, so you don't know what you're in for, but it's kind of fun. Other than that, I don't. I did like when that really annoying sister-in-law died, I really hated her. When she goes to work and she's like wait a minute, you recreated my set. That was I was. That was so fucked up.

Captain:

I was like invited there to like get a job and like not be a crazy psycho in her apartment by herself she's trying to change yeah, but she doesn't really actually get to do the animation, and then when she does look at the animation board, they stole her idea of a girl in the forest and she was like no, I was just inspired, by it.

Wilson:

It's like what?

Captain:

I'm confused as to how you can use that as an advert? Yeah, but do you?

Jay:

I guess she's like, well, you passed me up. It's like, okay, you didn't steal the idea, yeah, and then she just gaslit her for the rest of the movie, being like you're so crazy, honey, you think you need to Really. So I was really happy to see what she got. That's fair.

Captain:

I feel bad for Tom. Tom didn't deserve it.

Wilson:

He's just a good guy.

Jay:

Just a chill guy.

Captain:

Do you know what you would rate this movie before I go?

Wilson:

Who are you asking who we are? I give it like a 39.

Jay:

Oof. Is that lower than last season's finale? It is yeah.

Wilson:

I think a lot of it was done well, but I was just like I don't want to look up all this stuff.

Captain:

I know the gooks put so much on it, like knocked it down, but I don't think it's bad. I feel like I'm going to give like the same score I gave last season for the last movie we did, which everyone remembers.

Jay:

Of course I totally remember. Don't even go about saying it, because I see it right here in my mind.

Captain:

I want to say it's like I'll go straight like 50. I think I'm going to go straight 50. It's not bad, the story makes sense. Ish. The general story, the general metaphor story makes sense the gist of it yeah. But all of the stuff in the middle to end is like real crazy. I don't like it.

Jay:

Yeah, it's extreme, even with the. I mean, I know it's supposed to be like, I guess, disturbing, but like at some point she's point towards the very end. She's literally making herself a stop motion video and she's filming herself bleeding out on the floor, slowly moving, and then taking pictures. I'm like this looks kind of silly.

Captain:

Yeah, that actually did look really silly. I was like what are we doing? That looked really silly. It looked so ridiculous. I saw someone interpreted the movie that she had a drug problem because of the tourniquet that she's using and then ripping her leg.

Wilson:

It was like a metaphor for a drug addiction.

Jay:

I guess so Interesting.

Captain:

Because we see that part and it's like why would you have that equipment?

Jay:

But, yeah. I mean I guess, yeah, that could be a theory. I mean, they came in and saw her and they weren't like what's happening. They're like, oh, you need to go back to the hospital. Yeah, they weren't, they were just like, oh, back to the hospital. I would say my rating I can't give it less than a. I really did not like last season's finale movie Damn, I did not care for it.

Jay:

I'd have the Devil at Christmas maybe yes, why it takes place during Christmas. But looking at a door for 80 minutes is not a movie. Oh yeah, I mean. Sorry, josh Lowe, if you're listening to this, I'll give it slightly better. I think I gave that movie a 50. I will give this movie like a 60. But again, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I wouldn't be like you have to see Stop Motion, like I just watched it, like there are tons of movies and there are movies that I think aren't as like creative as stop motion. I would still recommend to people because I think they'd just be more enjoyable watch like I don't think the average person is going to enjoy watching this very much.

Jay:

If I recommended this to someone, they would be like delete my number. Yeah, yeah, if I caught someone, you didn't see this, I think they would be what kind of view do you have of me? Yeah, like what is wrong with you?

Captain:

I feel like normally stop-motion movies, aren't they like fun kid movies?

Jay:

Yeah, typically. What is that man? Tim Burton? Yes, yeah, those are all like.

Captain:

Those are all weird movies. They're dark-ish oh.

Wilson:

Wes Anderson yes.

Captain:

Those are all weird movies. They're dark-ish.

Wilson:

But they're not like horror I know that's the stop motion.

Captain:

I want to see the Ari Aston movies.

Jay:

Midsommar Hereditary Very creepy, very dark, still great.

Wilson:

Very mindful.

Jay:

Very mindful, dang it. Yeah what Wes Anderson, tim Burton, we were very mindful, but dang it who?

Captain:

was what Wes Anderson, tim Burton, what you're thinking of a specific stop motion artist?

Jay:

there's another like he's not up and coming anymore, but there was another I thought like really good horror director recently. Besides Ari Aster, I can't think of any of the movies.

Captain:

I don't know this podcast. We never remember anything.

Jay:

Yeah that's true, we mix stuff up. It's all the kona, big wave going a big wave um yeah, oh my gosh, sorry, I just realized.

Captain:

Do you know what we're doing next time? Wait, do we have anything else you wanted to say?

Jay:

I don't, I wouldn't recommend. I think the Airbnb we got was cursed, so I'm gonna call 1-800-I-NEED-BJ.

Captain:

Oh my, gosh you found a shrunken doll in there yeah, a shrunken head, oops, you sure it wasn't mine, or?

Wilson:

we're gonna find out, do you know?

Captain:

what we're doing next time?

Wilson:

what are we doing? I don't know what we're doing this time. Oh my gosh I can tell you you made it sound like you knew?

Jay:

yeah, I feel like you should be prepared to answer their you brought up the question I was.

Captain:

I was preparing, but then I thought maybe wilson arnie knows the answer I never do but if he doesn't know the answer, then the movie that we're doing, this, this is the worst.

Wilson:

This is me killing time. No, no, the last movie that we are doing is I haven't pulled up Curve, curve, your enthusiasm. I think I looked it up before. I'm excited for the movies we're doing this season. I took the slime ball off of there. It's still there.

Captain:

Well, I'm taking it off. Um, this is one about, uh, someone who's a young bride she curvy, she gets crushed.

Wilson:

Do you guys have a?

Captain:

hitchhiker that she has to play with or escape from. Um what well?

Jay:

I'm just gonna ask how do you set the roster like, do you like? Do you automatically include?

Wilson:

captain does it, sometimes I'll sneak in a movie or two. Well, I was gonna ask like do you like? Do you automatically include captain does it? Sometimes I'll sneak in a movie or?

Jay:

two, well, I was gonna ask like, do you just like you take the movies from, like, let's say, 2024 and you're like, okay, out of these new movies, what movies we've seen?

Wilson:

we're gonna okay, no, it's a random, just any that don't feature a dog death.

Captain:

Yeah, they basically I look up anything that has animal death and those get mixed okay, okay, get out of here. Most of the time, Like this one had a fox carcass, I was like I think I can deal with a fox carcass.

Jay:

Yeah, I mean they did do a lot of fox carcass. There was a lot of fox carcass.

Captain:

I usually try to have a kooky move of the season.

Wilson:

Kooky.

Captain:

So, like you know, night of the or not, David Jesus, blood and Honey or yeah, or. Llamageddon or Killer Sofa, like I have a kook and then I have a Halloween one that's set in Halloween and then I have.

Jay:

Is Night Swim kind of a kooky one? No, it seems like it should be, but it was a different kind of kooky.

Wilson:

Yeah, it's on the verge it's on the verge um.

Captain:

Do it's on purge.

Jay:

Do you think we can make this episode longer than the Night Swim episode? Wait what? The Night Swim was a long episode, it was like 90 minutes. Oh, sorry, I don't know anything.

Captain:

Oh, sometimes we do a parrot theme.

Jay:

A parrot? I thought you said parrot. I was like what?

Captain:

Okay, sorry, my accent's heavy A paired theme yeah. Oh like, oh paired theme.

Wilson:

Yeah, oh like, oh paired yeah like we have a lot of accidental paired themes. Yeah, barbarian super host, that was on purpose.

Captain:

Yeah, so um okay, sorry, that's not important. What we're doing is next time is we're doing sorry, sorry, and I do have kooky move of the season, but I don't want to say yeah.

Wilson:

Don't say yeah, I'm not gonna say it'll be a surprise all right, right.

Captain:

Anyway, that's what I have. Oh no, what do you got for?

Wilson:

me. What do you got for me Advice? Oh no, Give me advice.

Captain:

Jay, do you have any advice based on this movie, based on this movie.

Jay:

Yeah, I think you know you should really learn to speak up, like be honest, like speak up for yourself.

Wilson:

Be honest. Speak up for yourself.

Jay:

Real advice is you should have confidence enough in yourself to speak your mind and assert yourself in a situation.

Captain:

He's really trying. My dumb advice is don't play inside your leg wounds.

Jay:

Yeah, that's the only thing that sticks out from this movie. Those two things are the really fingers out of wounds. That's the next thing I was thinking of that final scene where she's doing that. It's almost unwatchable. Fingers don't get pushed in wounds, she's using her fingers.

Captain:

Twice in this movie.

Jay:

Just deep in there.

Captain:

Yeah, that's really the advice.

Jay:

That was tough to watch.

Captain:

It's a common problem.

Jay:

I'm putting my score actually to 50. I'm sorry.

Wilson:

I forgot that is actually just yeah Gross.

Jay:

I don't like that, that's just gross, sorry.

Wilson:

It's really All right. That's what I got for advice of the week.

Jay:

Yeah, clean your hands.