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Personal Shopper
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This week, we explore the haunting psychological thriller "Personal Shopper," where Kristen Stewart plays Maureen, a young medium trying to contact her dead twin brother while working as a personal shopper in Paris.
The film discussion begins around 15:43.
let me look. I mean, I'm probably honestly, I'm probably gonna watch the new episode of dexter when we're done.
Captain:Oh, my God.
Wilson:Severance, that's not what I said, but yeah, we haven't started the new season yet.
Captain:Ew.
Wilson:I think we're going to wait till they're all out. Well wait, I think till like maybe there's like two episodes left and then we'll catch up.
Captain:It's really good. Honestly, it's so hard to wait until Friday, because it's like Severance and Dexter and it's like okay, but what do I do in between? Do you watch Invincible?
Wilson:That cartoon? Yeah, no, I don't, but I heard it's really good.
Captain:Yeah, the new season just started back up. Actually, I think it all came out or something, or like. But I heard it's really good. Yeah, the new season just started back. Just started back up. Actually, I think it all came out or something, or like half of it it's like not week by week I mean, yeah, I heard it's good.
Wilson:Wow, my head is like so itchy from this, like bleach or whatever, oh my gosh, you gotta put a um.
Captain:What's that called like? Um, uh, like a scalp, a hair mask, where it moisturizes A hair mask.
Wilson:I've never heard of a hair mask before. Why are?
Captain:you offended A hair mask.
Wilson:I've never heard of this, but I just Googled it.
Captain:It's hydrating. I don't know if it actually does anything for your scalp specifically.
Wilson:Well, I know, when I was walking home, my scalp felt tight as fuck. I'm sure it like took all the oils out of my head are you like?
Captain:okay, I mean, did your hairdresser like say anything about like?
Wilson:she did check in a couple times to be like are you okay?
Captain:uh, but every time I get my hair done, they're like okay, let me know it's burning.
Wilson:And even if it burns, I'm like it's fine, I don't care, oh yeah, I mean, like I don't know what they're gonna do, like you really want me like if I say it burns, they're gonna wash it out and try again or they're just gonna give up and it's not gonna look the way you want it to yeah so I'm like I'm not dying, so let's just do this yeah, I'm surprised.
Wilson:I mean, I don't think I've ever been that reactive to bleach, though well, I mean like I was not dying, but my head I could definitely feel it felt a little toasty. A couple people walked by like other stylists. They're like you should do your beard. I was like I'm not gonna do that oh, oh, I never even thought about that. In two days I would have roots showing or whatever.
Captain:I never even thought about. Do men dye their beards? I guess they do.
Wilson:I don't know. I've seen the eyebrows. Yeah, For my complexion. I don't want to see.
Captain:It's going to be an Ariana Grande situation where you're just all one shade.
Wilson:Yeah, I'm not gonna do that, but oh they the stylist there loved it when I uh, when I was about to leave, like another stylist came up and it's like let me just take some pictures, and she had me like rotate and she took like different. It's like I've been.
Captain:I have been the rotating hair picture wow, it's a nice compliment but it's, it's really just they want to like photograph their nice work oh yeah, and I'm totally fine with that. Yeah I, yes, but I I know, I know how it feels and you're like I'm a gem yeah, so I've been there okay, I also okay quickly. I know it's been like 10 minutes. I did want to talk about um wolfman oh shit. Well, you hadn't seen it, but um oh wait.
Wilson:So how is it? Because it looks like it could be terrible, but I do like. What's her face, julia?
Captain:I love her. It's like a really common name heart hatter or heart something julia.
Wilson:What?
Captain:I don't know. It's like a really, it's a really common.
Wilson:Julia Garner yeah, there we go, okay, yeah.
Captain:That was close but so like it's one of those movies where I liked it. But I do think the trailer gives a lot.
Wilson:Okay, I remember thinking that I saw the trailer and I was like I just saw the whole movie.
Captain:Yeah, you don't see all the movie and there's a little bit of story that you get which helps tie it together. But it's a really good movie where it's like, if you want a monster like here it is, but I does definitely like lose some steam. It's not bad, but it does definitely like lose some steam, it's not bad. It's not a bad movie. But I wouldn't like necessarily say like you have to see it.
Wilson:Did you Letterboxd rate it? I forget.
Captain:I did. I think I gave it a three. Let's see you really got me on this thing. I can't believe you have me on here on this thing. I can't believe you have me on here, um, and I hate how fucking like not intuitive.
Wilson:It is um. Oh, I gave it a three and a half.
Captain:Okay, okay, not terrible that sounds. That's watchable then um, okay, but companion, we both saw oh yeah, I I thought that it was really good. I think the reason why I wasn't blown away is because, like I told you, there's a book that has a very similar premise and I didn't know that that's where the movie was going. Like, I don't know if you want to talk about spoilers, but um, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers yeah, okay, I didn't realize that she was a robot, because they don't give that away in the trailer.
Wilson:I think so. Trailer number one they don't. I think trailer number two they do oh.
Captain:I see.
Wilson:I saw that one.
Captain:Yeah, there's a very similar book that I read like not even that long ago, like, I think, in December. That has a similar plot where there's a robot that's like very intelligent and is like you know, either you use them as like a nanny or a cook or like a sex bot.
Captain:So I was like oh. And then, of course, you know creatures that are that sentient, even if they're robotic. They're like well, hold on, Other people are free. Yeah, why am I not but it? What's weird is that she doesn't know she's a robot, which I feel like is really freaky. Like I was trying to think, like if I found out that I like, as I am living right now, that I am a robot, what would that do? I don't know. Have you ever put yourself in that thought?
Wilson:I have not had that thought experiment yet.
Captain:I was trying to think. I was like what would it really change All my memories that I have? I feel like they're mine and the life I've been living is still the life I've been living.
Wilson:And like the life I've been living is still the life I've been living. I think in my mind for that movie the revelation isn't or like the big wow, isn't so much that she's a robot, it's. She realizes she's a robot and everything that she's experienced so far was fake, Like I think. Realizing like all of her memories mostly were fake is like the big deal.
Captain:She's been used as a setup from the jump Like she was there to be the scapegoat.
Wilson:Yeah, like I think she would have been fine, or she is fine realizing she's a robot. But realizing she was used and she has fake memories is like the big thing.
Captain:That girl is coming up as like upcoming scream queen, yeah, sophie. Yeah, she's, yeah, yeah, like heretic was so good and this, and she's in um yellow jackets yeah.
Wilson:So, like I was, this movie did like goop and gag me.
Captain:Uh, I thought it was like what was like what was like your big like.
Wilson:Oh, love this well, so walking out of it. I do wish I did not realize she was a robot, because I would love to have experienced that scene where he's like Iris, shut off or whatever, go to sleep. That was me and her like yeah, so I would have really liked that moment. But I think the movie kept surprising me.
Captain:Yeah, you get lines ahead of that that are confusing. But because when that girl says one of the girls doesn't like, her was like, you make me feel like I'm replaceable. And um he, she does that weird thing where he said what's the weather and she can like say it robotically.
Captain:So you're like this is weird, but like you're not, I don't know. I wasn't really putting the pieces together. Um, jay said he figured it out before that reveal, but I, I don't know, I just wasn't. I was just like watching it for what it is. Then I was like, oh and then. But as soon as it happened, I was like immediately came back to that book because I like hadn't read it that long ago and I was like, damn, I feel like I have to stop reading books because I feel like they're ruining movies and tv shows. But, um, I don't know, have you? I I told you about the book, but I don't know how much you really like read, uh, sci-fi, like weird, like they're not, they're like drama, sci-fi or comedy, sci-fi.
Wilson:I mean the book sounds good. I have I've been taking like a little break from reading and I very recently got back into it, so like I just started another book, so like it would be a while I I'm trying to make my reading goal this year of 40 books okay, I know that's impressive I feel like I haven't been like that, but I don't know the kindle man, the kindle has like I I don't, yeah, I don't think I read any books.
Wilson:last year I didn did an audio book and then I didn't finish it because I got so tired of it. Wilson, you're not the kind of book you like. Did you read their guest list? Mm-mm oh.
Captain:Was that?
Wilson:I think in book form it might be better, but I was listening to it on drives because we've done a lot of long drives recently and I'm like I cannot listen to these people drone on about their problems.
Captain:Based on the front of this book. I would hate this book. Is it good?
Wilson:It's interesting. It's like a murder mystery. I feel like it's recent.
Captain:There's a bunch of ones on here. You're going to have to send me the one that you were talking about.
Wilson:Okay yeah, each chapter is like from a perspective of a different character. It is from, oh I different character. It is from oh, I got it, it's 2020. It's by Lucy Foley.
Captain:The guest book.
Wilson:The guest list.
Captain:Oh, I looked at the wrong thing. Oh, oh. I've seen the front of this book before, but I did not read it.
Wilson:Okay.
Captain:Yeah, it's one of the good reads awards. Um, yeah, I, I the kindle has really. Oh my gosh, that's what I wanted to tell you. Sorry, I know we have to get into this, but, um, okay, for christmas I got I, I asked for this, so, like, I'm glad I got it, but I, I it's I already put in the work to know what I wanted but.
Captain:I saw this on tiktok, where I can't remember I brought this up, but there's a. There was a girl who was reading her kindle burrito in a blanket with a remote control and a stand yeah, oh, got it for christmas got it for christmas. Oh my god, I am a burritoed tucked and but like I tucked how do you not fall asleep immediately?
Wilson:because sometimes the books are really good but I'm burritoed, tucked, and. But like I tucked, how do you not fall asleep?
Captain:immediately, because sometimes the books are really good. But I'm burritoed in, I have my remotes in my hands inside the burrito and then, I'm like the the kindle is is like on a stand where I'm laying down and it's like facing me perfectly. Oh, it is so comforting. I was like I could be here forever. It's so good.
Wilson:I've seen videos of that. It does look very nice. I just think I would fall asleep. Oh my.
Captain:God, it's so good. I mean I fall asleep, but that's the whole point. It's like I read until I'm sleepy.
Wilson:Yeah that's fair.
Captain:But yeah, I've already read four books this year, Nice, okay.
Wilson:I'm reading is it was written right at the beginning of COVID, so it's like it's very heavy in talking about lockdown and, like Trump, it's in the book yes, and it's. I'm like I don't know if I want to read this. It still feels too soon there's yeah, I could.
Captain:Yeah. I'm like I don't know if I want to read this. It still feels too soon. There's yeah, I could. Yeah, I don't know if. I want to read that, to be honest. But yeah, there was an author I found recently that I oh, Noel, I don't know how to say the last name, but I actually found an author recently that I really like. How do you say the last name? I-h-l-i.
Wilson:I-H-L-I Illy.
Captain:Is that it Illy?
Wilson:I have no idea. That's just what I would guess.
Captain:Yeah, noelle Illy, I really like her. I found her one of her. I like thriller horror books.
Wilson:Oh yeah, Shock.
Captain:Que sorpresa.
Wilson:Yeah, thriller horror books, oh yeah, shock, um yeah, but um yeah, I really like her right, tanga, I'd really like it too.
Captain:Then, yeah, and then there's the other one. I feel like this is very targeted towards um women, but the one that, oh man, I cannot remember her name, but she writes like a gazillion books.
Wilson:Is that helpful?
Captain:I think she has one coming out soon. Oh, Frida McFadden, have you heard of her? Oh my gosh, she writes like that lady's written probably like 60 books and they're all very similar. But like I don't know, they hit, so I'm not even mad about it I'm uh, I'm trying to look up a book.
Wilson:I think it was like a honestly a james patterson book.
Captain:Um, are those good? I? Don't know there's so many there was.
Wilson:There was a really good mystery slash horror book that I, like finn and I both read. Uh, I don't know for sure it was him. It was somebody him or James Patterson adjacent I'll just try to find it but it was actually really good. I heard he uses ghostwriters and it's like oh well isn't he like 90?
Captain:I don't really know, I might be making that up but I swear that man looks really old and he's looked really old for a long time. But I could be making a terrible mistake.
Wilson:He is 77.
Captain:Does that man look any different than he looked like 20 years ago though?
Wilson:I mean, I don't know anything about this guy besides some of his books and that he writes. That's all I know.
Captain:He'd be writing.
Wilson:He'd be writing Okay, I'm going to try to figure out that book.
Captain:Okay, I love the Shuno Okay Last book. I'm working on a new movie. I'm so sorry. I think I mentioned this to you before, but Dark Matter is by far like the best book I've ever read. Love that book so good, you should get into it. I don't think I know a single person that would not like that book. It's so good.
Wilson:Damn.
Captain:that is a glowing review, it is an insanely good book Like I could not, I don't want to like over I good book like I could not, I, I don't want to I don't want to like over.
Wilson:I don't think I could. It's, it's really good anyway. Okay, can you remind me when we're not recording, and then I'll look it up fine, okay, um.
Captain:Are you ready?
Wilson:let's pop in you got your drink, I got my drink, I got a, I got a kona I got a premiere, all right.
Captain:Welcome to the 166th episode of the red room podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two, and I'm captain and I'm wilson and this week we're reviewing the 2016 supernatural psychological thriller film uh.
Wilson:Personal shopper which is uh a last minute replacement yes of what we are going to watch and that is crimes of the future.
Captain:Wilson's fault, because that movie sucked. I could yeah, I was like I think that was me that suggested it yeah, you said you've always wanted to watch it, that that movie I didn't even finish it was it. Was the ending worth it or no?
Wilson:uh, I mean, in a way I'm glad I finished it because I could like see what, what story they were trying to tell, but it like wasn't worth it um, yeah, based on what I had already seen, I was like I don't, this is not for me, so we watched videodrome for the podcast, I think.
Wilson:I think that was another one of these movies but it's like on brand with that, like um, I don't think we did it for the podcast, but I watched the movie Existence several years ago, which is another David Cronenberg movie, and it feels a lot like it with like the fleshy controls like he loves, just like weird fleshy yeah, he did the fly too, right.
Captain:Yeah, which I mean the flies the flies.
Wilson:Amazing, like great movie I don't know.
Captain:I feel like cronenberg's just gotta, like, just gotta you gotta put the. The body sticks down. I just I wasn't, did you?
Wilson:so did you get to the part in the movie that I referenced in my letterboxd review with like the zipper stomach?
Captain:I think so. Okay, I was like it's like towards the beginning, right.
Wilson:I think, and like the girl like, makes out with his stomach.
Captain:Oh, I did not see that. No, he gets like a.
Wilson:He gets like a surgery and he has a zipper in his stomach and he like unzips it and she like makes out with the wound. Boy, I did not see that and I'm so glad I did not, that's why in my review I was, like honorable mention, to like the slurping down some stomach zip pussy.
Captain:Because, like no, I did not see that. I thought you were talking about the laparoscopic surgery in the beginning. Like where they're tattooing his organ or whatever. No, no, that's not I got to the part where there's that man who's like a stupid performance artist, who has like a bunch of ears all over his body, and I was like what the fuck am I watching? Yeah it's just a miss for me a zillion nominations and awards that movie yeah, it's.
Captain:I mean I'm not gonna like yuck somebody's yum, but it's like not for me I don't, I'm gonna yuck it, fuck that shit yeah, I don't, so we switched kids and fuck you too uh, so we switched a personal shopper and this one and the main reason for this, which is that I already prepped the movie and I was like well, kristen stewart, I can keep her line as it is yeah, it takes like so much effort to change that, but like I did want to do personal shoppers, but on my list because it sounded interesting when I originally heard about it.
Wilson:Not the movie that I thought it was, but no yeah, like I thought I was confusing this movie with uh, a personal favor. Oh, a simple favor with like blake lively and uh anna kendrick and I thought it was gonna be like that caliber of movie.
Wilson:Um, I will also preface and say I went to a happy hour right before I watched this movie. So, like in the last 40 minutes I fell asleep. No, I woke up at the very end and then I like, uh, like fast forward. I rewound, fast forwarded through the last 40 minutes and I was like, oh, interesting I feel like you missed so much at the end there, dude, oh I mean I eventually I think I got all the pieces and I read about it afterwards, so like I can at least talk about it well, the movie.
Captain:Well, hold on. Okay, we haven't even gotten that far in the movie. It was directed by Oliver. Oh, assias, assias ass. Yes, I don't know, oh ass, yes, it's probably like a science or something um, yeah, he's french, he has a lot of french stuff, but um, he's got a real thing for irma vep, if you've ever heard of that.
Wilson:Who is that? Is that a person?
Captain:irma. That is a character that I think was like originally, like a broadway play in like 1912 or something, but it's an anagram for a vampire okay and there's um.
Captain:I've seen the. I saw this in like a, a local theater group, but they did I can't remember what it was called. It was like the mystery of arma vep, I think, um, and I didn't realize when I was watching. I don't know anything about arma vep, but it was like it's just a character that they do a lot of. It's just she's like it's an anagram for vampire and she's, like, you know, a vampire. So there's been like a bunch of different, like variations of like the mystery of Irma Vep, whether it's like on Broadway or a local theater, or this guy did um like a tv show and a movie, with Irma Veps like the character I'm guessing all french uh, yeah, I think yeah yeah, yeah one of them's on hbo, though hbo max um, I don't know if it's dubbed or it's just in
Captain:french, but I, I just I only know about irma vep the character because I watched the mystery of irma vep in this like local theater production. It was pretty good uh. But yeah, you like find out in the thing that it's an anagram for vampire and it's like she's a vampire, um. But yeah, he like does he's done multiple arm of up stuff and I was like, oh, he likes this oh, so that's why he like picked kristen stewart.
Wilson:He's like maybe.
Captain:Yeah, he said that he well, it's kind of hot goose, but he did write this role for kristen stewart. This whole movie was for kristen stewart wow, okay but so yeah. So kristen stewart plays maureen cartwright, the main character. She's in a bunch of stuff like bella from twilight. She was in panic room, which we did for the podcast, though, and I have no idea what that squelch is like a hundred, and oh, was it that had to be an oldie you think so?
Wilson:I really don't remember doing that one that much I feel like it was not that old maybe.
Captain:Maybe I'll go down a little, maybe like 94, no, do I also have to guess? Yes, and then I'm gonna guess 65 and then you, then are you looking?
Wilson:I am looking. It was. Do you want to hear it?
Captain:Yeah.
Wilson:It was 86. So you win.
Captain:We're kind of right in the middle. But oh well, yeah, okay, so yeah. And then she was in Snow White and the Huntsman. Oh, I had Personal Shopper later on the list. That's why I said, oh, I had Personal Shopper later on the list. That's why I said, oh, underwater, she's in that one.
Wilson:That was a good movie. That's a good movie. We should do that one. We could.
Captain:It's a thriller, sci-fi.
Wilson:Well, you haven't seen it.
Captain:I think I have seen it, but I don't remember what I would call it.
Wilson:It's sci-fi.
Captain:Sci-fi, I would say sci, and then Lars E oh.
Wilson:Lars Herb Herdinger.
Captain:Yeah, lars E Dinger as Ingo and he's European and you don't have to put European films. But he was in Dumbo, the Tim Burton Dumbo from 2019.
Wilson:Didn't watch it, but okay.
Captain:Okay, and then there's like Kyrie, who's played by Nora oh gosh, waldstatten, I don't know. She was in stuff. I didn't really recognize any of it. I think there's a lot of French and European people.
Wilson:Okay, so they're not in like Hollywood blockbusters.
Captain:And then Anders Danielsen-Lai was Erwin, but he's only in like five minutes.
Wilson:Is that the boyfriend or whatever?
Captain:No, he is the.
Wilson:Or Kyra's like. Was it Kyra's boyfriend or no? That's Ingo.
Captain:Erwin is her sister-in-law's New boyfriend.
Wilson:At the very end. Five minutes. Okay, so, maureen kristen stewart.
Captain:She so like the synopsis always says she's a personal shopper and you're like, yes, but I feel like that's really not the main that's not yeah like, every time I read a synopsis or a plot summary, it's always like so she's a personal shopper in paris and you're like okay, like yes, but that's not really it doesn't feel like that's the focus.
Captain:That's not the focus of the movie. So, yes, she's a personal shopper to a supermodel, kairi um, but really what she's focused on is her twin brother died of a heart condition like what three months ago, and something like that. They made a pact with each other that if whoever died first, they would like send them a sign from the other side that there is something, that there is an afterlife. And that's because they both felt very spiritual and that they were. They were both had like a medium ability.
Wilson:So yes, so she's like looking into the house that he died in to like try to contact him yeah.
Captain:So like it starts, the movie starts out with her like looking through that house. I'm not really sure what the role of those two people that want to buy the house are like. I don't know who they were in relation to her twin brother well.
Wilson:So I think, yeah, I was confused about that, but I think we're mostly mostly relation to her twin brother, well. So I think, yeah, I was confused about that, but I think we're mostly talking to her sister-in-law-ish. And then I think at the beginning we were just talking to people that were maybe buying it, that wanted a house or something.
Captain:They said that, oh man, I can't remember what his name was the brother.
Wilson:Lewis.
Captain:Oh yeah, they were likewis really loved you guys and you guys are really close, so I think you'd be happy that you guys have this house and I was like, who are these people? Yes, and I think, uh, we do start to see like little wispies yeah, so like kristen stewart's in this house and she's hearing noises and she's trying to like um, I don't know, get, get like speak to lewis, but she does get like little wispies and that's about it. She doesn't really get uh proof.
Wilson:She's like looking for like hard evidence yeah, um, and I went in blind to this movie and I was like very shocked when I was like oh, we're like seeing ghosts.
Captain:Yeah, she like actually sees wispies, um, and then, as she's seeing this, it's like weird. She goes through phases where she says like I don't really believe in this stuff. But lewis really did to being like well, you know, like I am a medium and you're like okay, but where do you actually lie, like fall in right of this, but for the most part I feel like she doesn't really believe.
Captain:But she's like looking for what is the um fox molder. I want to believe like she's like looking for reasons or like ways to believe in it and she wants that closure too like that's the only reason she's staying in paris yeah, and as she like talks to people, I think she like looks up like other people who have done seances, like oh, I wanted to look that up, hilda Af Klint or whatever they were talking about. Is that a real person?
Wilson:Oh yeah. So throughout this movie she was watching videos of seances Of other famous people. Yeah.
Captain:Yeah, oh, wow, this is real Interesting. So Helma Af Klint was a swedish artist who did these like mystic paintings it's basically abstract art, but it was like way before abstract art was founded, like this is what 1860 like before that even concept of that was. She was born in 1860, before the concept of abstract art. She was like doing these like really intricate abstract arts styles, um, and she said that it was her way of the spirits, like working through her to speak to the living. So they like bring them up in the movie. It's cool that that's real. Um, and then while you know she's trying to look into this stuff with her brother, she yeah, she is happens to be personal shopping for this famous person. We do meet what her friend slash boyfriend, gary over Skype, briefly in the beginning, who I don't even know what that man is doing, laying cables or something.
Wilson:Yeah, he's just like, has to be away somewhere.
Captain:He's like in whatever must mascot is, I don't know, but he's be away somewhere. He's in whatever Muscat is, I don't know, but he's away basically. It's basically to show you that she doesn't have a lot of connections to people. All she really has is her boss that she works for.
Wilson:She doesn't really see her a lot they miss each other a lot and just pass notes and bags. Also, her character feels super lesbian-coded'm like she has a boyfriend.
Captain:I feel like kristen stewart never is like. She's never not lesbian coded yeah, yeah she just always is like a very metro type of character, um, but I think that's kind of how she is in real life. I just based on what I've heard her this was kristen stewart.
Wilson:Yeah, not in character, just I don't want to be rude, I don't want to be mean, but I feel like kristen stewart doesn't have a lot of range, but she people love yeah people love the acting that she does and I'm like isn't she basically just her, but like more awkward I have seen her do some like good acting in movies, but it is, like you know, like the same character plus or minus yeah like yeah this movie has good reviews and it's like mostly because they loved kristen stewart's acting and I'm like acting it's like 80, I feel like it's just her I will say like oh my gosh.
Captain:Um, this was like semi shortly after twilight, so like compared to that I think it shows a lot more twilight, but I do see a lot of twilight script is rough um, yeah, but anyway, yeah, I don't even know why I got on, okay, so anyway, yes, we meet, um, uh. So she goes to kairi's apartment one day and we meet ingo, who is Kairi's lover, and they end up talking about Louis and her brother, because they're both like waiting for Kairi to get off this phone call that she's on. So she ends up giving him like information, like yes, me and my brother were both mediums. I loved him. We made this oath where we'll send like a sign in the afterlife. And she even says like I don't necessarily believe in all that stuff, but I want to. He deserves that. I give him a chance to prove it basically to me.
Captain:So like we get that whole conversation and like it's not super like flirty or anything, but there is kind of like a vibe happening. But Ingo says to her like you know, kairi told me to leave, but I'm just going to sit here and wait until she's done with her phone call. And he says, like I think he says I think she's going to break up with me because her husband is getting suspicious. And you're like, oh, okay, so like that's what you're doing over here. Yeah and yeah. So I don't. I don't remember how that conversation ends, but basically that's what they talk about. I think Kristen Stewart goes back to that house that her brother was in and we get the full ghost scene. I don't know if you were awake for this or not.
Wilson:Yeah, I think.
Captain:no, I was still here for this one there's a big ghost scene where she gets a ghost but screams at her and glass shattersatters. It's all just a bunch of white wispies, but I think it's a feminine ghost, right yeah, I mean.
Wilson:Yes, I couldn't necessarily tell from the scenes, but I do see the description is identifying female versus male oh, a female specter yeah so basically she knows it's not lewis really is. What is what's happening um and then it's like lewis wouldn't do that. Yeah, I don't fucking know um.
Captain:So, uh, we get, we, we see her, she's okay, so, whatever. Like she had a, she had a tough time like it. It was weird. She was uh unsettled by that event. But anyway, she has to go back to her personal shopping job. So she gets on this train the next day and this is kind of where the movie takes a turn. So she gets on the train the next day and as she's on the train, she starts getting these text messages from an unknown number that are like hey, um, you know me. Uh, I don't remember exactly how they started, but instead of like, it starts being weird, like I'm watching you, I'm on this train with you, and then, because I think she wants to think it's Louis, right, yeah.
Captain:She wants to think it's a sign from him. So she even says, like Louis, she's so ready to believe. Like I feel like when the problem is, if you make a pact like that, anything can be misconstrued into a sign. Oh yeah, yeah, like it's not fair to put that on somebody, or somebody care enough about it that it matters that much because you're gonna misconstrue anything into a sign oh yeah, because this definitely just sounds like a creep.
Wilson:He's also like I'm in london and she gets to one or whatever and he's like, just kidding, I'm not here yeah, the messages are so weird and I'm like girl, why are you entertaining this?
Captain:but I saw that like, basically, we see how lonely she is. She doesn't have her brother, she doesn't have her boyfriend, all she has is her sister-in-law, who's like not really with her, um, that much. And then so like I think she entertains the texting because she's lonely, um, but she would never catch me do that. But because the texts get weird. They're like you know um, what? Like? It doesn't say like, what like gets you going, but it says something along those lines of like you know, like what I can't even remember. So he talks about trying on those dresses and I don't.
Wilson:It's not like I don't remember what word they use, but it's like, uh, fear or something oh yeah, I was like, uh, basically pointing out that, like she was trying on these clothes because she's afraid, and that's like what's hot.
Captain:Yeah, yeah. So she's like not allowed to try on her, on her boss's super nice clothing, like her boss has told her she doesn't want her to do that and you know. But she's like, well, I think the person's like, well, don't you want to the unknown numbers? Like, don't you want to like be someone different? Don't you want to be someone different? Don't you want to do something daring? I don't know. The texts get weird and creepy and there's a lot of them that go on all day, multiple days, trying to get her to do other stuff.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:But the weirdest thing is that she does end up doing some of that stuff, like the messages like encourage her to indulge, that's what it was Forbidden desires. So she ends up like getting back to Kyrie's place that evening trying on her clothes and then by far the worst scene is that she like starts laying on Kyrie's bed text in the summer and then she masturbates on that bed in her clothing and I'm like that is so like? What a violation Is that? A poor one out Is that?
Wilson:That's a poor one out.
Captain:That's a poor one out yeah.
Wilson:Like one. I was uncomfortable because she might get caught at any moment, but it's also like yes, yeah like one. I was uncomfortable because she might get caught at any moment, but it's like, and this like number is like wanting you to do it it's, it's so, it is so uncomfortable.
Captain:Um, yeah and yeah, she's, and then she falls asleep in her boss's bed, which is like, even weirder, like it's so risky, they yeah and like because she's not even just trying on her boss's clothes. Like I don't think she tries on her boss's underwear, but even just trying on her boss's clothes, like I don't think she tries on her boss's underwear, but she does try on her boss's like shapewear and bra and I'm like all right, we're, this is a lot of you're putting on too much stuff, it's a lot of skin touching things like we.
Captain:Why, I don't know. It's very weird, like I don't like it, um, but yeah, so it gets. It gets weird and this unknown number knows all the stuff that she's doing. She even takes pictures for this unknown number, so like they're in it with her and then I don't. I think the unknown number leaves a key card for her to go to this hotel room.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:And she puts on one of Kyrie's like new dresses, but when she goes to the room it's empty and when she attempts to investigate, like who booked that room, to figure out who this number is, it's under her name and the room was paid for in cash. So we literally have no idea and it's kind of like implying that. Like I mean, maybe it's kind of like implying that, like I mean, maybe it's a human, but like maybe it is lewis, because I think that's kind of like you know, we know that's what she's looking for um so my computer is dying oh, no sorry hold on, I'm gonna go plug it in okay.
Wilson:Well, while you're doing that, I will say when I woke up, I was like rewinding every 10 seconds and I kept seeing these scenes that got progressively more intense and I was like what did I miss? What happened? And one of them was like that hotel scene. I was like oh well, she's in the hotel room, and then somebody's getting arrested.
Captain:Wait, wait, hold on. There's two hotel scenes okay so you're you're talking about the second one okay, um I'm trying to. There's too many k balls, okay there we go um, yeah, so the first one, like it doesn't really lead anywhere. She's like um, like goaded or what's that word.
Wilson:She's like I think that's the right word, yeah um.
Captain:But then she goes there and like she's just blue, bald or whatever, the fuck um, um. And then after that I think she oh yeah, she has to do more shopping for kairi Gets her some jewelry or whatever, goes to her apartment and this is really like the big kicker. She opens Kairi's bedroom door because she's like are you in there? Like there's some sounds or something, and Kairi is, there's blood all over her bedroom.
Captain:And then she opens her closet where the clothes were, where kristen stewart was literally just fucking around in there the night before yeah and kairi's like bloody body is like all over the closet she's like dead ass dead yes, yes, she's dead, ass dead, but like it's brutal yeah girl is like there's blood everywhere like that's not just a kill, that's like you had a grudge there's bloody handprints on the wall.
Captain:It's bad, it is gruesome and kristen stewart is freaked out. But I don't. I I still don't understand. Like she doesn't call the police, like she oh, that's right, there's a figure in the apartment, she can see there's a figure in the apartment, so she flees.
Wilson:But like she doesn't call the police, she just runs well, I think she eventually does, because doesn't she say in the police station?
Captain:she's like I freaked out, I left and then I called yeah, but like there was a delay, it makes her look suspicious because they also question her. They're like well, hold on, you said that you were sleeping there the night before you were trying on her clothes, like yeah that's weird.
Captain:Like you're suspicious, they tell her you like can't leave the country while we're investigating, um. And then, like it gets weird after that because so she's interrogated at the police station. But then, uh, the texter is asking did you tell the police about us, did you tell the police about our text? And she starts to ignore it. But, returning to her apartment, she, oh yeah, she's on a Skype with Gary. And then she sees that the bags of jewelry that she just brought to Kyrie's apartment that should have been there are now in her apartment. So, like she didn't bring them there, she looks genuinely shocked that they're there, meaning someone planted them there to try to set her up for the murder. Right, that's what I was reading. And she's like really surprised that they're there.
Captain:And then her phone was on airplane mode. So she turns it off airplane mode and she's getting all these messages that have been coming in the last hour from this unknown number being like you know, you better not have said anything. I know where you live, I have a spare set of your keys, I'm coming up to your apartment, I'm, I'm outside your door, I'm on the landing like um. So like she's getting all of these delayed. And then she finally looks through her people. There's nobody there, but there is a hotel key card slid out of the door for a different hotel night so that's the night, you saw, probably because that's towards the end of the movie.
Captain:So it's such a small scene, but I think it's important. Um, and they don't like mention it at all, but you see her pull her sim card out of her phone and then put a different sim card in. It's like, I guess it's, to block the texter from texting her, right?
Wilson:okay your sim card would do that right changing I mean, I guess it would be, you'd be getting a new number okay, okay, yeah, so yeah it's like a five second scene, but I feel like it's important.
Captain:So she then she goes to the hotel room with the jewelry bags, um, and she's in there, she puts them on the bed. And then she goes to the hotel room with the jewelry bags and she's in there, she puts them on the bed and then she hears the door open and close and she's looking at the figure, but we don't get to see it. And then the weirdest scene I feel like of the whole movie is like this long what one camera work scene where it's interesting. You watch like an empty hallway but it's panning as if there's a figure walking and then an elevator door opens and then it closes. And then you you're on the first floor of the of the hotel elevator opens and then it's a. It's the camera's panning as if there's a figure walking through the lobby and then out the front doors and they're, um, automatic doors, so they're opening as if there's someone walking through them right and then after that you see ingo, so kairi's boyfriend lover yeah, yeah doing the exact same sequence with the exact same camera work.
Captain:So it's like very clear.
Wilson:Trying to show you like seems like so this is the part where I got confused, where, because I was like semi-asleep Exact same camera work, so it's like very clear, trying to show you like Seems like. So this is the part where I got confused when. Because I was like semi asleep.
Captain:Where was Kristen? We don't, we don't see her. We don't see her. Ok, so we see a ghost leave the hotel and then we see Ingo or whatever. We see what appears to be a ghost, leave the hotel and then Ingo leave the hotel, whatever we see what appears to be a ghost, leave the hotel.
Captain:And then ingo leave the hotel and, as ingo's on his way out, the police grab him and try to arrest him and he shoots at them, but he still gets arrested. So I didn't realize those were police until I read the description and I was like, oh, that makes more sense so where was?
Wilson:we don't know where she was.
Captain:Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, so we see later. Kristen Stewart Maureen meets her sister-in-law at a cafe and she's like, yeah, all of it's over. Like Ingo confessed to all the murders. You know, I'm not on the hook anymore. Like I'm cleared, I'm going to go see Gary. And she says like I don't really want to be alone anymore. Like while I'm waiting, like I'm going to leave like in a night or two, but like you know, and she's like, well, that's fine, you can stay with me. Like I understand why you're like kind of freaked out by everything. So she goes to her sister-in-law's house and then she meets her sister-in-law's new boyfriend and she's saying like you know, I'm glad you're going to see Gary. You should have done this a long time ago, because now it's been like a hundred days since her brother died yeah and she's been looking for a signal.
Captain:Um, and she's like I'm glad you're doing this, I'm also moving on. Here's my new boyfriend, um, uh, lewis wouldn't have wanted me to like dwell in his death. Um yeah I don't think they were married like I don't think they were that serious.
Captain:I mean they were serious, but I don't think they were like that serious um and then marine has this conversation with ervin, erwin, um, and it's kind of an interesting conversation how he basically says, like I also knew lewis and um, I don't know like he, he also wouldn't once you would have dwelled in this like you deserve to be happy and I don't know um, just kind of like a coming to terms with the fact that like this is things now. But in the most interesting part is that after he walks away, we see a figure in the background that is most likely lewis, and you see him holding a glass.
Captain:It's kind of blurry, but he slowly slides across the back behind the focus of Kristen Stewart's character as she's just sitting there drinking coffee and then there's a floating glass. He goes what behind like a pillar in the house, and then there's nothing but a glass floating in the air and it shatters.
Captain:so right, okay, I saw that she cleansed up doesn't really think that much about it. She's like oh, I guess urban left this on the corner and it fell off in the wind or something. Like she doesn't even consider it to be a sign anymore. Like she's like I've accepted this.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:And then the last scene of the movie. She does go meet Gary in the mountains, but it's like you don't really you watch her. Her like get to Gary's place and he's like, oh, I'm glad you're here in a note. He's like, oh, I'm glad you're here in a note. He's like I'm glad you're here. There's gonna be a five hour drive to this like other city, and this is your driver's name. So she like drives up to the other city. We never actually see Gary in person never, she gets this like random.
Captain:I don't know what that is a hostel. There's like a bunch of other people around.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:And in the last scene she is at this retreat house thing and she hears a noise and finds a glass floating in the air and it falls and shatters again. So she like just saw this again, she just saw the same thing happen twice and she is like, oh, like, is this Louis? Oh, and there's also these thumping noises, like irregular thumping noises.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:And she's like thump, once for yes or twice for no, and she's getting responses and she's like Lewis, is this you? And then she asks or is it just me? And then she hears a single thump and then the movie ends so originally. When you watch it and it ends like that, you're like what, why, like what? Um, but I did look it up and I think like as soon as I finished the movie I was like oh, this is definitely a lookup movie oh yeah like, I feel like this is you.
Captain:As soon as it ends, you're like this is one of those movies where, if I look it up, I'm like oh, I actually like it, um so well, when I'm watching it I'm like, uh, what did I just watch?
Wilson:what did?
Captain:I just watch exactly, so I don't know if you did you have thoughts like what did you think or what did you?
Wilson:um, I felt like when I woke up that I feel like I missed something. And then when I was scrolling back through the movie, I was like this feels like it was a good movie, but also deeper than I was ready to watch.
Captain:It was deeper yeah.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:I yeah. So I was like immediately after it ended I was like, well, I'm going to look it up because I know, there's pieces, so there's kind of two main theories which I like the first and a lot more.
Captain:But basically the idea is Ingo is the secret texter in her room. They had that conversation in Kairi's apartment where he learned enough about her to start plotting a way to set her up for this murder, because he wanted to murder Kyrie. She was going to break up with him he didn't want to be broken up with.
Wilson:He murders her of course, because that's the only, that's the only option there's nothing else to do.
Captain:Wilson, step one, step two, yeah, so he murders her and then he, when he meets kristen stewart's character in the hotel room, he also kills her.
Captain:So her ghost, kristen stewart's ghost, is the one that leaves the hotel room, the first figure that we see and then ingo leaves immediately after that and, um, you know, we see that part. So she's dead at this point. Uh, my feeling is, if she was a medium, so like her connection between the living world and the dead world is really strong. So even though she is dead, she can still interact with a lot of living people, um, mostly the people that are really close to her, and they always say, like you know, your life flashes before your eyes when you die. So it's kind of like the people that are left that are close to her in her life, like her sister-in-law and she doesn't even really get to see gary, but like her sister-in-law, um, you know, she can still talk to her and like that's that final meeting they have in the cafe right, but I guess she also does talk to the, the boyfriend that she hasn't met yet yeah, but I don't know.
Captain:That guy said that he knew uh lewis really well, like they were close friends, they worked together, so I feel like it was like her, like the closest she could have to lewis I guess, I don't know.
Captain:Um, and again she's kind of a medium, so I was taking it as of like, don't know she can have connections to the living world. It doesn't even seem like she knows she's dead and then she doesn't know she's dead, I think, until she starts asking questions in that room at the end and then she asks like is it you, lewis, or is it just me? And then she gets that thought being like her acceptance that she her realizing that she is dead, like she's accepting the fact that she did die in this situation. Um, I saw somebody make a comment on reddit that I really liked, where she was thinking that the thumping represents kristen stewart's character dying because of heart failure because her brother had the same weird congenital disorder. Yeah, they even have. I missed I skipped the scene, but there's a scene in the movie where she's visiting a doctor who's checking her heart.
Wilson:Right, yeah.
Captain:And says, like you know, I recommend you get scans twice a year. That's what we were doing with Lewis, which didn't save him. They were saying that, like you know, they were reminded by the sound of that, of that like irregular thumping was very similar to irregular heartbeats and we're reminded throughout the movie that her sibling died because of this heart defect. So, you know, there's like this irregular pattern of thumping which is like it's symbolic of her death. It's like she's having the same problem that he did right. How do you feel about that one?
Wilson:uh, I feel like it's. I don't like to think that she was murdered in the hotel room, but I see why that theory makes sense.
Captain:I mean, what else would be that ghost that leaves? The same way, we see the exact same.
Wilson:I mean she saw a couple ghosts that weren't necessarily her brother, yeah, but we don't see automatic doors and like lobby or elevators, like opening for them I feel like I saw a reddit comment that was like she was somehow predicted what he would do, so like not necessarily this yeah, like not necessarily seeing a ghost, but like seeing a premonition of his person walking through the hotel and leaving like like because you said you saw like, you see, like nothing go through that same path and then you see him do it.
Wilson:So, like the comment I saw was like oh well, that was just her foreshadowing or seeing him about to do that I guess I feel like, what's the point of that scene then?
Captain:so the other theory is that she did not die and that it felt like a. It was more like a. The whole movie was like a story of symbolic, of acceptance. Like in this case, she has to accept the loss of her brother. We see the scene of Marine switching her SIM card out and then going to the hotel. Some people think that that was her actually working with the cops to get ingo's confession and to set him up. Like she she's, she's helping them catch him. So, you know, they, they, they realize that he's the one that's texting her. Um, because it would likely be kairi's boyfriend. That's her killer. You know that's who she's. You know it's always like the boyfriend or whatever.
Captain:Um, and he manipulated maureen to use the things that they, that he got from their conversation to like, um, you know, try to frame her for this job. Things that she says during there are like, you know, she's always able to feel things. Um, there's something weird about like, leaving the door ajar I don't remember what that comment was, but like, anyway, he uses those phrases against her to try to frame her for this murder. And then, um, the superficial stuff or, sorry, supernatural stuff, is just really a figment of her imagination the whole time, um, and then she would come up with ways to like rationalize those um things happening around her, um, I don't really like that theory as much, because I don't think it, I don't think it answers all the questions and also, uh, I don't know, I just feel like that's not like what's, why don't we, if that's true, like why? Why do we never like?
Wilson:like. Why? Why do we never like? Why do we still?
Captain:have that scene at the end, I don't know. Yeah, so you, you think she was probably murdered. Yeah, I mean, the only reason, the only last thing, is that I didn't watch it, but there's like that's 30 minute. Um, I think there was like a convention, I don't know. There's some. There's a 30 minute video of the director talking on a stage about it, like at a convention, and I didn't watch it.
Captain:But people say that in there he says he implies that there are no ghosts in his movie. And I'm like, do you mean like there's no Lewis ghost in the movie? Because I just feel like it makes so much more sense to me that Kristen Stewart dies in the hotel room. We watch her ghost figure leave and then she kind of comes to terms with the fact that, although she's, you know, a medium and can talk to a few people, like she comes to terms with the fact that, like she is dying, you know it was not Lewis that was talking to her, it was, it was part of her imagination, but like, um, you know she's, she's on the other side with him now.
Wilson:Yeah, I, yeah, I could see that being the preferred ending. I do wish like. I don't really like when directors leave it so up to interpretation. It could be a couple endings. Directors love that shit, I want you to just tell me what you envision the ending to be, and then I'll be like on board.
Captain:This director, I think, is one of those people that have said I don't give answers, but I just tell stories Like I don't give you the answers.
Wilson:Well, what did you intend with the story? That's like David Lynch. I do like a lot of his stuff, but I hate that he makes his movies so up to interpretation.
Captain:Yeah, but they're always like I want to tell a story where you have feelings about it and you're like, okay, but like how did it end?
Captain:and yeah, like I want to interpret my feelings and closure closure is important yes um, yeah, I I liked it a lot more after I read and read into, like you know, looked it up. Um, just for some numbs and stuff, the budget was a million, the box office was 2.7, so it was a success. It was very low budget um and then it does have really good reviews. The critic scores an 81 and the audience score is a 53. So I don't know how do you, where do you fall in all of that?
Wilson:um well, so I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt, since I did fall asleep, but I do think it was a well done movie I feel like you probably missed like 30 percent I? I mean I got the gist after.
Captain:I read about it.
Wilson:I mean, I don't know, I would give it like a 60.
Captain:Yeah, I think I'd give it a 60.
Wilson:Like I didn't love it. The story's interesting, it isn't true? I'll give it a 63. Oh, I'm sticking with a 60. So generous, okay.
Captain:I wish the premise or sorry, like the plots synopsis thing that they write they gotta switch that thing up, like they they always start it with she's a personal shopper. I'm like, okay, that should be at the end of the sentence saying that yeah she. She is a woman that is trying to figure out if her dead brother is sending her signs from the other side while she's personal shopping like yeah, yeah, this movie is a a sister grieving the loss of her brother yeah, like and she happens to be a personal shopper yeah, and like I, even if the ending is the one that I want, she's murdered by her boss's boyfriend.
Captain:It doesn't even matter, her boss is a personal shopper like that. That. That is so irrelevant it doesn't.
Wilson:There's probably some like artsy explanation, like her serving others or like dressing up others when she like doesn't feel comfortable in her own skin or some bullshit. I mean the there. It's important that we have the scenes of her pretending to be this totally different.
Captain:Like she's, that's like part of the forbidden indulgence. Is like, oh, I, yeah, I'm. It's important that we have the scenes of her pretending to be this totally different. Like she's, that's like part of the forbidden indulgence. Is like, oh, I'm dressing like a supermodel and I'm like, I'm like you know, coming in her bed or whatever.
Wilson:It's important for her character.
Captain:Yeah, the growth, growth. I just I don't know. It's weird. I.
Wilson:I don't know, it's weird, I don't they gotta fix whoever wrote those synopses? Yeah, and we saw a lot more of her than I ever expected to see. Oh, the nudity, yeah, the full frontal.
Captain:They talked about Kristen Stewart said in an interview I actually did look at that. She said in an interview that, like for her craft and for her art, she does not mind like full frontal nudity. She said the director for this movie made her incredibly comfortable. They have working history together, um, and she was like I honestly don't even know why people are so fucking weird about it. Like if I'm gonna make a movie where it's like I'm playing a character like who's not gonna be like naked in their house at some point, like I don't know it, just for her. She was like it's not even that big of a deal, like I don't even really care about it.
Captain:And if I'm comfortable and if it works for the story, like, I'm gonna do it and I was like okay all right respect I I mean do you? Yeah, um, like I said, they have working history together and he he basically wrote this movie for her to play another character. He did some other french movie with her clouds of sils maria.
Captain:I don't know what that is but, I think she plays a similar character where she's like an american transplant living in paris for something else. Um, and he really liked her and directing her so he was like I'm gonna write another movie where she's the main character. He said that he wouldn't have even written this story if he didn't work with kristen stewart prior wow like, that's how much this was for her.
Captain:Um, yes, and then one of the other hot gooses is. He won best director at the canes film festival for this movie. Um, and I think you'd like this. One of the dogs, uh, owned by lewis's girlfriend, was named bella, perhaps an homage to kristen stewart's character in twilight I wonder how she feels about that, but yeah, I even hear her say bella like, hey, bella like, you know, don't do that or come back here you know they just released a lego set of you sent me that, you sent me that I'm thinking about it, but it is pricey yeah, how much is that?
Wilson:one like 500 20 oh so yeah, not like insane, but I'm like I'm evaluating how badly I need it do you have space for it? I can make space for it, that's no problem. Um, I feel like you're gonna get it okay, I probably will you know, my, my brother's office it's, I think it's basically been turned into a lego room for his son. Um, but they just like there's, it's like a lego City in there and I love the idea of that. If this room was filled with Lego tables, I'd be happy.
Captain:Oh, my God, yeah, but that Lego room of your nephew would be like for Legos that are like for what?
Wilson:10 and under right, but he builds Harry Potter Lego sets.
Captain:Oh, he does the big ones, so he's not doing.
Wilson:Duplo blocks, or whatever you call them.
Captain:Linkin' Logs.
Wilson:Linkin' Logs. Yeah, it's Legos, okay.
Captain:We were playing with K'nex for a long time when I was a kid.
Wilson:Oh, K'nex are good.
Captain:K'nex was a big one.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:They don't make those anymore, do they?
Wilson:I think they do.
Captain:Oh.
Wilson:I never heard anybody ever mention them, Maybe not like this year, but I think a couple years ago I looked it up and they're like still technically connected.
Captain:You're going to crack your Connect game back out.
Wilson:Am I about to look up Connects? It looks like the company still exists, okay.
Captain:Yeah, okay. So in this movie you gave a rating. Do you have a razor glass? We do have a poor one out, do?
Wilson:we have a razor. Um, my razor glass is like I mentioned it sort of earlier. But, um, when I had no idea what this movie was about beyond a personal shopper, and then we just see like wispies out of nowhere, it just like completely changed how I was viewing the movie.
Captain:So I guess I'll say that's my razor glass. I don't know what's yours. I think my razor glass is actually finally seeing Lewis at the end, because I really did not think we were going to see him, but it's clear that that is a figure of what would be her dead brother and he's watching her from behind. Um, and something that's interesting about that scene that she's so ignorant to all of it happening around her, like she's already accepted the fact that she's not going to get a sign from him and that's and that's when we see him in the background, which I feel like is really interesting.
Captain:Um, I just didn't. I didn't expect to actually see him, so it was nice to actually see it. I was like, oh, yeah. But yeah, that's probably my raise a glass.
Wilson:Okay.
Captain:Also, I did like the scene where she's in her apartment and she sees that the jewelry bags are in there that should not have been there and they should be at the crime scene, and she's like yeah, I miss, I miss that scene yeah. It's a, it was interesting, it's quick, but she's like you can tell she's like surprised.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:Um, she's like I'm gonna be framed.
Wilson:Yeah, uh, wait, so did you say the box office already, the budget box office?
Captain:Yeah, one mil and 2.7. It was success. It was success, yeah.
Wilson:Not like groundbreaking, but good enough. Okay, mm-hmm, what do we? Well, if you don't have any closing thoughts about the movie, what are we doing next time?
Captain:I don't really have closing thoughts besides like it was fine. Don't think I'd recommend Damn that's thoughts besides like it was fine, don't think I'd recommend damn. That's. That's about it. Um my oh, next time on the red around podcast we're gonna do village of the damned. Is that your pick?
Wilson:I think, so I'm excited about this one as bad as your david cronenberg pick right oh it's not.
Captain:No, no, this one's like almost campy okay, is this an 80s or 90s or something?
Wilson:uh, I feel like it's like late 80s that's very up your alley. I feel like you love those, those bitches yeah, I think when you watch this just have like an open mind. But oh, I've seen the scene.
Captain:I've seen the pictures of these children before yeah, like I think you'll recognize the movie. Okay. But yeah, this score is not good.
Wilson:No, it's not Just like open mind. You're just in for a good time and I think you'll have a good time.
Captain:Village of the Damned. And then, oh, do you have a question for me? Well, just a side note caveat.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:My main advice for the week is do not watch crimes of the future unless you're like a david cronenberg, like fangirl fanboy I guess um, but that movie sucks and I do not recommend um, but if you have. Do you have another question for me about?
Wilson:just.
Captain:I need other advice, like more based on applicable okay, I I did write this down while I was watching the movie and I think this is important. But if you're getting creepy messages, you can block them. Block unknown numbers. I do it all the time. It's a great idea, oh yeah who answers those? Fuck those strangers. Yeah, they're always spam, so it's a great idea. Oh yeah, who answers?
Wilson:those, fuck those strangers yeah they're always spam. So fuck them kids and fuck you too.