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• Captain & Wilson • Season 8 • Episode 169

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Captain and Wilson discuss the 2009 horror, Deadline, which was Brittany Murphy's final film before her passing. 


Captain:

we're here, we're back we're back.

Wilson:

I'm not rusty this time, I know.

Captain:

Last time we I was rusty um, I think the last ones were fun.

Wilson:

Oh, they were fun. I just felt like I struggled to get like how does this work?

Captain:

I mean, you know, I'm like lost without the script which? I know I say it, like I've said it 170 times, but I still like need to read the words, Like I don't know what's wrong with me, but I like legit cannot do that intro without reading it.

Wilson:

It should be second nature at this point.

Captain:

I know, but I like stress and freak out. I'm like uh, uh, I don't know what are we talking about? Where are we? Yeah, that's really what it feels like Okay, so I heard we have a movie star in our presence. Where are we? Yeah, that's really what it feels like Okay, so I heard we have a movie star in our presence.

Wilson:

That's a strong word, but yeah, so I think actually did I talk about it in a previous podcast.

Captain:

You did briefly talk about it, so someone like investigated. Yeah, maybe you don't have to say that that project is the same as this project because it's not, it's not totally different, unrelated yeah, so this week I was a background extra in a movie they were filming here.

Wilson:

You gotta put the little clap sound.

Captain:

Yeah, so there were. Like they were filming here, you've got to put the little clap sound.

Wilson:

Yeah, so there were like 30 of us. I think we had to be there at 5 am and I got home at 8 pm. Jesus, it was a lot of standing and a lot of waiting. I was technically in, I think, four scenes, but we'll see if you can actually see me in those or if they include the scenes.

Captain:

How far away from the camera were you?

Wilson:

Usually, like in most cases, it really is just the background, Like there's, I don't, I mean I don't know, like 20 feet, like somewhere around there Are you facing, or is it like the back of your head?

Wilson:

I know for a couple I was at least it was like the back of me, yeah, I don't know it was, but uh, overall it was. It was really cool just to see. Like you know, it sounds like they do usually three to five takes of the same scene. Um, the only thing that got really annoying is, uh, so they, they filmed a scene, they did like five takes and then I guess they wanted to try the scene from different angles, so they did that three more times where they did five takes, completely shifted the room around, like replaced the actors, did it. Five more takes, shifted the room.

Captain:

And you have to just stay where you are.

Wilson:

Yeah, to stay where you are. Yeah, but for those scenes in the background I'm supposed to be like uh fighting with uh somebody or okay, um, wow, you're like acting well, it's like I don't know if you can even see, but um so I I fight with him for a second and then I walk across the room.

Captain:

So I had to walk across the room like 50 or you know uh 20 times, okay, but like that's like you're not just like sitting at a cafe, you're like doing uh, like activities yeah, I don't know we'll.

Wilson:

Yeah, we'll see. There's like a scene I had to carry a crowbar while they were like pushing a box along and I looked. I felt like I looked like I was on an angry mob. Like how do you carry a crow bar and not look aggressive?

Captain:

yeah, I'm picturing like the sharks and the jets from what's that?

Wilson:

called west side story.

Captain:

I haven't seen that, but jesus, you're like 50 years late I know, yeah, but I don't know how you carry that in a way where you're like la-di-da, I don't know, but that's like so exciting that you're like I don't know. When you say background actor, I like legitimately imagine you're like sitting at a cafe outside or like literally walking down the sidewalk, Like, but you're like I don't know.

Wilson:

I mean, that is sort of like it was a smallish space, but that is sort of what it was like, you know yeah, but you had movie props dude and a wardrobe uh you didn't even say there's a wardrobe.

Captain:

How is that? Did you get movie makeup?

Wilson:

uh, no, they didn't put any makeup on. They did like they lined up all the extras because I had to grow up my facial hair and they're like. She like went through the line, pointed at me and she's like you're fine, as is, go to this lady and she'll touch up your hair. I guess they just didn't need to shave my beard, but they did just style my hair a little bit. That was it.

Captain:

Hmm, was there anybody that was like rejected in the line?

Wilson:

Not that I've seen, because, like you, basically submit to or like apply to be part of it.

Captain:

Right.

Wilson:

So I think, as long as you didn't come in with dyed hair, they were fine.

Captain:

Oh, okay.

Wilson:

Yeah. I guess people that had like piercings might have had to take those out, probably. Yeah, I think that was part of the thing they're like. No piercings no, no jewelry, wow. But yeah, I didn't.

Captain:

I didn't talk to the star, but like I was really close to him, dude, I told you, if that were me I'd be so annoying I'd be like, oh my god, it's you they specifically say in the instructions do not ask them for an autograph. Like oh, I don't think I would do that, I don't think I'd ask them for an autograph, but I definitely would be like it's you yeah it's you, I mean, yeah, I don't know how I wouldn't.

Captain:

I mean, I feel like it's the same thing with that thing we did in college where they were like they did all the concerts but they were like you can't be a fan if you want to do this group and I was like okay, I like legit. What am I supposed to do not be like? Oh my god, it's Rihanna. Like what the fuck? Like? I'm a normal person, I'm not like a robot, I don't know, I just like I don't know.

Captain:

That's just very strange. It's hard for me to. It would be hard for me to turn that off like I don't know.

Wilson:

Yeah, I kind of thought I would be like very starstruck, but it was like fine. I mean, it's so exciting to see like, oh, you know, that person I saw on tv is right there, um, but I didn't get like weirdly anxious and I expected to get that way did you get any tea.

Captain:

Like was somebody like really rude or really nice, or um.

Wilson:

About the actors no um what's that? Mean or sorry, there was like there was drama when I left because, like these people were freaking out because one of the background actors left two and a half hours early, didn't tell anyone and didn't return his wardrobe um, they were like they were pretty, uh pretty hot and bothered about that yeah, but don't you give them, like all, your contact information oh yeah, like they would absolutely have charged him for that wardrobe. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't you give them like all your contact information.

Captain:

Oh yeah, like they would absolutely have charged him for that wardrobe. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know people are weird about like stupid, about not thinking that that's like a job, but it's like no, you really do have to do that yeah and like, what was your plan for this?

Wilson:

yeah?

Captain:

and, based on what I know about the movie, I don't know why you necessarily like want that wardrobe that he might have had on.

Wilson:

So I mean, maybe it cost a good chunk of money.

Captain:

I don't know but oh, maybe still well, that's so exciting, it's like time for your imbd. This is like so cool are you?

Wilson:

gonna do more now that you're like in the system um, I I want to, but not for a while, because, like the last two hours of the day, I was like I'm ready to get out of here, like yeah, 5 am to 8 pm is bad yeah, yeah, and they like kept pre-doing this one scene and I don't know I was like I still have to get bussed back to like the original location and I still have to return my wardrobe, and then I still have to drive home. I was just like I'm tired.

Captain:

Well, I mean, that's exciting. When, when is this? 2026 or yeah?

Wilson:

2026. Yeah, I, I kind of get the feeling it'll be like direct to streaming, but who knows?

Captain:

the background actors get their name in the credits I think, I think, you do I mean nobody stays for that part.

Wilson:

But like, I feel, like I've seen a movie credits where they say like you know, cafe patron or background something or other yeah, but like they can't do that for every movie, right, like the movie that we're doing next week.

Captain:

Like that had like 2,000 background actors.

Wilson:

Like for the next part, that's true, Like they can't do that for every movie. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how that works.

Captain:

I'll have to look at the law. The law, oh that's, I don't know.

Wilson:

I don't know how that works.

Captain:

I have to look at the law. The law. That's exciting. I want you to do more, yeah.

Wilson:

I got like a mini selfie in the costume, but it's also like while I was trying to hide my phone in my lap, so obviously from that angle I just like look terrible.

Captain:

I was going to say send it, but that's okay.

Wilson:

Um well, okay, pop off, okay I mean you could look up, like I'm sure they film a ton of things I know they do, they do like that.

Captain:

I mean I would. I really, really wish I I had seen the dexterxter one far in advance where I could have planned for it, because I would have legit gone all the way to New York if I could be there. But I would be a menace 100%. If Michael C Hall was near me it would be game over, I'd be escorted off.

Wilson:

They'd kick you off because you're like stop staring at him in the scenes. That's the thing I be like looking over my shoulder, like I just I don't know it would be bad. It would be like unfun it'd be like whispering to the other background extras, like that's michael ceo dude.

Captain:

If I heard him say tonight's tonight, I would literally lose it. I would.

Wilson:

They'd have to cut, like do you think that's like Dude? If I heard him say tonight's the night, I would literally lose it. They'd have to cut. Do you think that's something that runs rampant during his sets? He says tonight's the night and then just half the extras, just pass out.

Captain:

Yeah, they just have the medic carts ready.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

I don't know. He probably hears it all the time. He'd probably be really annoyed about it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. He probably hears all the time. He'd probably be really annoyed about it. But I don't know, I would.

Wilson:

Just it's like I don't know it's worth it yeah it's like, it's like how do I not do that? I don't know, but I guess it'd be a good story.

Captain:

Like I got kicked off the dexter set yeah, it'd be like when we went to it, wouldn't? Well, it'd be worse than this, but when we went to that cinephile thing and that lady kept screaming at me that I was taking pictures of the lady oh, the like comic-con thing.

Captain:

Yeah, but it wasn't that, but I was like she's like legitimately in public like I'm taking a photo of her from like 50 feet away and there's like a gazillion other heads in there and I'm getting yelled at about these photos. Like no one can even figure out who this is in this photo. There's no way you can make money on that picture, yeah this is like from my memories, like where am I putting this? She's like screaming at me Not the big of a deal, girl, but okay, yeah, yeah. Not the big of a deal, girl, but okay, yeah, yeah.

Wilson:

But it would be worse than a movie set, but that does remind me. So there's a steel city con. They do like three a year here, um, but there's another one there's another one happening, I think in august, and the the current lineup is like pretty good. Um, I don't know if you'd make your way here at that time, but uh I like why?

Captain:

why do they do so many?

Wilson:

I, I don't know. I guess they figured out. People come to them I guess that's, true but they have like uh, what where?

Captain:

do you see where? Do you see where when they are like oh august. Where do you see when they are Like oh August 8th that weekend?

Wilson:

8th to 10th yeah.

Captain:

I'm not doing anything right now. You don't say, oh, is it all these people Gatan from Stranger Things? And then below. Yeah, who are these people?

Wilson:

Hank Azaria is in a lot of things. I think you'd recognize him, and his voice is very distinct.

Captain:

It looks like it's probably a bad picture of him. And then John Cusack I've heard that like I know who that is yeah, john snyder was in smallville and dukes of hazard I don't know, I don't know who zoe perry is, um mary louise parker.

Wilson:

I mean, we know her from.

Captain:

Oh my god, I didn't even really recognize her. Amy smart looks familiar, but she kind of just looks like Cameron Diaz a little bit.

Wilson:

I can see that.

Captain:

Wilson, I don't know these people. Who the fuck is? Eric Bischoff?

Wilson:

Eric, I don't know, bish, something about wrestling. It looks like.

Captain:

I mean, I don't think you care about this, but Steve Downs plays the voice of Master Chief from Halo and Sir, Sir, Sir, what I know, If you like, played me a clip of Halo and you told me guess this video game like I legitimately. I have no idea.

Wilson:

I would be, totally guessing. Yeah, yeah, I mean, jay might right.

Captain:

No, he would, yeah he would know what's the one that we went to. I can't remember what it was called. It was like AlienCon or Out of Space GalaxyCon.

Wilson:

Okay, so you're close.

Captain:

I was really close. I saw that at GalaxyCon. I don't know if you've seen that, but there's been a bunch of clips from the one that was this year the guy that did Crazy Steve in Drake and Josh and he was the brother in iCarly.

Wilson:

That guy?

Captain:

Oh, jerry Trainor josh, and he was the brother in he was the brother in I, carly, oh, oh uh, jerry trainer. Yeah, he was the. He was like the big talk person at galaxy con this year. Um, I think, because I've seen clips and it was like hashtag galaxy con, so um it's a.

Wilson:

Those are good conventions. Oh, there's a bunch of them, sorry.

Captain:

No, it's not just Richmond, yeah there's a bunch of them, so he must have been at some other one probably.

Wilson:

Richmond's still a fairly big one.

Captain:

Dude, they do these everywhere New Orleans, raleigh, san Jose. He was probably in the one in Cali. To be honest, I didn't realize they were everywhere, okay, well, anyway, I was like I'd kind of go see him, yeah. But okay, are we? Sorry, we're getting really off topic.

Wilson:

I don't know how long we've been talking We've probably been talking a while. 15 minutes, okay, it's not bad.

Captain:

Okay, but we're excited for you.

Wilson:

Yeah, it's good stuff. Whenever it's out, I'll be first in line.

Captain:

Definitely screenshot your name in the creds.

Wilson:

The creds? Yeah, I don't have any. There's a really good chance. You will never see me in that movie.

Captain:

Did you tell your brother?

Wilson:

Yeah, I did yeah.

Captain:

What did he say I?

Wilson:

thought it was pretty cool. My mom's very excited too. Your eye roll, that tracks. I mean I'm happy, she's excited. I need a hype man like that.

Captain:

I feel like if I told my parents I was a background actor, I don't think I'd get any excitement from I don't think they would. I don't know. I think they'd be like okay.

Wilson:

Can I watch it?

Captain:

Yeah, it would depend on what type of movie or who was in it, I think.

Wilson:

Do you want to pop in?

Captain:

Yeah, yeah, you got your alcoholic beverage Beveragino. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're, you got your alcoholic beverage, beverage, beverage, you know? Uh, yeah, beverage, gina, that's fun got me a kona.

Wilson:

Uh, I wanted to actually have something like a cocktail, but I didn't have anything to mix it with, so what was that thing?

Captain:

that? Um, uh, oh man, what's her name for the podcast? Lieutenant? She was like my mixer's just water. I don't know if you remember that. I don't know if you remember that I was like that's disgusting.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

But these are college days and not college people anymore.

Wilson:

Yeah, I would never do that again.

Captain:

Yeah, sometimes I think about the things that I was doing and I was like like ew, who was that?

Wilson:

like I get that's a time for like just doing things.

Captain:

But nasty times. I can't even smell cinnamon anymore, because red fireball is just you wait, you don't like cinnamon at all anymore I mean I can like, I mean I can like deal with like regular ground cinnamon from a little but not like big red gum or like oh no, hot cinnamon hot cinnamon disgusting hot cinnamon vomit like I cannot. Fireball is I. I even even like imagining the bottle is giving me chills like it's just. It's that bad.

Wilson:

I don't think I ever got sick on fireball. It's like ciders. I can't drink anymore, like I won't touch them, even though I loved them in college.

Captain:

Yeah oh, long time ago. Anyway, okay, you want to jump in here. Sorry, I keep getting distracted. Okay, tell me what we got alright, we got.

Wilson:

All right, we got.

Captain:

Not rusty huh.

Wilson:

No, no, no. Welcome to the 169th episode of the Red Rum Podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two, and I'm Captain. And I'm Wilson review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two and I'm captain and I'm wilson, and this week we're reviewing the 2009 american psychological horror film deadline one of many deadlines oh yeah, definitely 2009 yeah, while we were watching it, because I didn't look at the year until we were like halfway through, I didn't know when it took place.

Captain:

Yeah, when you said 2022, I was like what the fuck are you on?

Wilson:

Apple TV thought it was some other movie, clearly, because there was also. It was deadline period 2022. I was like how posthumously was this released? No, no.

Captain:

They did not drag her out of the grave over a decade later.

Wilson:

I was like how posthumously was this released?

Captain:

No, they did not drag her out of the grave over a decade later. No no 2009. And then I don't know if you saw but the director for this movie is not clickable but he has a small IMBD page that he had some stuff on there.

Wilson:

Okay, did he do some stuff on there? Okay, did he do anything else?

Captain:

I guess I should know that. As far as I found, not really.

Wilson:

Are you telling me this was his first and last movie?

Captain:

Well, this movie was produced. It's called an independent film, but it was produced by some company in Malaysia. I don't really know what that means, like that KCU studio thing that we were.

Wilson:

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Captain:

Yeah, it's like some company in Malaysia.

Wilson:

Okay. Well, he has three movies coming up.

Captain:

What.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

Who I mean? What are they?

Wilson:

The Last Moon up. What, yeah, who I mean? What are they um, the last moon? Is this the same sean mcconville? I yeah it says he like, yes, this was his only film.

Captain:

Uh, wait a second it's a different sean mcconville, huh oh, no, sorry, I got the sections mixed.

Wilson:

He is the director for three upcoming films and he well, he was a producer for three films. But that's not what we're looking at.

Captain:

Where do you see? Oh, upcoming, I didn't click on that, okay. I mean, these look like these are like short films, these titles Maybe. The car short films, these titles, maybe the car?

Wilson:

the last moon black sky.

Captain:

I mean, if that's not a short film, I don't know what is isn't that bird movie um dark?

Wilson:

skies or something dark sky I mean that that's basically the that was a feature film.

Captain:

What's that movie called with Sandra Bullock in the blindfold? Is that Blackbird?

Wilson:

Oh Bird Box.

Captain:

Hmm, close enough.

Wilson:

Yeah, yeah, okay, so that was Sean McConville.

Captain:

Yeah.

Wilson:

Yep All right, shawnee boy All right. So, moving into the cast, we have Brittany Murphy as Alice. Evans For the longest time, I think shortly after she passed. I really thought I got her and Brittany Snow confused and I didn't know the difference.

Captain:

Oh, that's fair actually.

Wilson:

Yeah, I mean, they look different, but what?

Captain:

Pup, she's trying to get as close as she can to me, but it's not that close. Oh, like since you're in the kitchen? Yeah, she's just sat on the couch in the closest spot. She can but like hoping that I'll come over there. She'll be fine. Tough luck, pup yeah. Sorry, continue like hoping that I'll come over. So you're fine, tough luck. Yeah, sorry continue. Uh, so she was ty and clueless this is where I met her in clueless oh, you met her, were you a background actress?

Wilson:

uh uh, lisa and drop dead gorgeous um, alex, yeah, alex, and eight mile and gloria and happy feet, lisa in Drop Dead.

Captain:

Gorgeous Both of those were 99, yeah.

Wilson:

Alex in 8 Mile. Gloria in Happy Feet. I know I saw Happy Feet. I don't remember much Well her biggest role is the last one.

Captain:

You didn't say.

Wilson:

Luanne from King of the Hills. Is that the niece?

Captain:

I think so yeah, the one with the crop top? I think I guess so. Or the ugly blonde haircut, the niece, I think so.

Wilson:

Yeah, the one with the crop top? I think I guess so. Or the ugly blonde haircut.

Captain:

Yeah, yeah, yeah but she's in, like you know, 300 episodes of that show or something damn okay.

Wilson:

I I wonder who's replacing her, because king of the hills coming back did you watch the show side effects at all?

Captain:

sorry? Oh common side effects sorry oh wait do we talk about this?

Wilson:

because, um, it was like it showed up on our watch list. I don't remember why I added it, but we did watch like four episodes so far yeah, it has the voice from the king of the hill guy. Oh, um, yeah, uh, the guy who created. Yeah sorry, mike Judge, he did Beavis and. Butthead, I think that's his show.

Captain:

Okay, well, the guy that does Hank voices again.

Wilson:

I first. I watched Simpsons early on, but I first figured out who Mike Judge was from Spy Kids 2, where he played Mr Giggles.

Captain:

His most prominent role, for sure.

Wilson:

Yeah, Donaghan Giggles.

Captain:

Jesus Christ.

Wilson:

He was a bad guy. Have you not seen those movies?

Captain:

I did, but but, dude, I haven't seen a movie since. It was like legit, like it came out like when are you watching spy kids?

Wilson:

two anytime recently well, okay, first, that's the best spy kids um first of all bitch um, but actually he was in all three apparently, but I think he was the big thing in two.

Captain:

Now you're not answering my question.

Wilson:

I mean, I haven't, I think the last time I watched it, okay, at least 10 years ago, but I do want to watch it again soon.

Captain:

Yeah, now you're kind of making me want to watch it.

Wilson:

I think only one and two are worth watching.

Captain:

I know I say this all the time but I always mix up Spy Kids and Sharkboy and Lavagirl.

Wilson:

I can see why. I mean I think they're both Robert Rodriguez, like he's the director, and Spy Kids 3 looks a lot like Sharkboy and Lavagirl, with all the CGI.

Captain:

I think Spy Kids 3. I can, I can't remember. I have to watch them. I don't do my letterbox a letterbox, wait.

Wilson:

So what wait? But what were you gonna ask about spy kids 3?

Captain:

well, you're like, I am an expert, you have an expert on the line.

Wilson:

I'm just curious.

Captain:

No, the scene where the guy or the kid is falling in the infinity tunnel.

Wilson:

That's Spy Kids 2, and he fell in a volcano.

Captain:

Okay, Zero points. I lost trivia. I don't know what to tell you. Okay anyway.

Wilson:

Why are we on Spy Kids? Was there a question there or you were just saying a scene?

Captain:

you remembered. That's the most prominent scene I remember.

Wilson:

Oh yeah, Okay, yes.

Captain:

That's Brittany Murphy.

Wilson:

That is Brittany Murphy. We have Thora Birch, who is most known for playing the little sister in Hocus Pocus, but she was also in American Beauty. I think she was the star, like the girl on the cover.

Captain:

Oh is she? I think she might be.

Wilson:

Unless I'm mixing her up with someone else.

Captain:

Oh no, actually I think you might be right. Well, there's not a face on the cover, it's like just an abdomen.

Wilson:

Oh yeah. Okay, you're right, but I think she does play like the the main girl I think so let me see who's in this thor birch is also some role in walking dead.

Captain:

That was significant, like I think she was in like 10 episodes, but either I didn't watch that far or I don't remember her role oh yeah, I forgot you like shotgunned that entire, that entire series, yeah, and then we dropped it off the time that everybody else dropped off Walking Dead. And she plays Lucy in this movie, which I don't think you said.

Wilson:

Oh right.

Captain:

Yeah, yeah.

Wilson:

Then we have Tammy Blanchard as Rebecca. She was first known for playing Judy Garland in the television film Life with Judy Garland from 2000. Nope, no from the other movie.

Captain:

Yeah, way back and then, but more recently she was in the Invitation. I can never remember. Did we do that for the podcast?

Wilson:

The Invitation. It sounds like a movie that we've done.

Captain:

I think I've seen it.

Wilson:

The cover does not look done. I think I've seen it. The cover does not look familiar.

Captain:

I think I watched it streaming just for funsy one time, but it sounds like every other early mid-2000s movie.

Wilson:

Yeah, I can tell you. Let me search our scripts really quick. It does not look like we have.

Captain:

Damn, this is 2022. Ooh, terrible reviews Okay.

Wilson:

Surprise, surprise.

Captain:

Surprise, surprise.

Wilson:

Then we have Mark Lucas as David Woods. He's most known as Riley from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Matthew in Necessary Roughness. I've not heard of that. I don't know. He was in a show, the and Matthew in Necessary Roughness. I've not heard of that.

Captain:

I don't know. He was in a. The show's called Necessary Roughness. I don't know anything about it, but he was the main role. That's why I wrote it in there. You watch Buffy right.

Wilson:

No, but it's on my list.

Captain:

I don't know when I'll ever get to it because I like the shows around that time period charmed charmed but they were like both cw shows yeah, and you're smallville ass over there with your yep also cw could not get in, not get into it, um, anyway. So yeah, we have our like main characters alice, her friend, becca friend, and then the lucy and david who are the couple that she's like living through yes um small cast very small cast, um.

Wilson:

So the movie starts off with alice. This is britney murphy's character. She needs to complete a screenplay, um, and so she goes to this like house that this creepy guy they know owns yeah, they said, a friend, a slimy friend, owns it yeah, and she's going so she can focus and finish her screenplay. Um, and she really wants to stay alone and and her friend Rebecca agrees and leaves her there During all these intro scenes. I'm like this is a little lesbian coded.

Captain:

Yeah, I mean we both were kind of getting that vibe Because Becca is like I just don't want you to be lonely and I'm going to miss you so much. I'm like the way that she's saying this is not just like a friend letting her, dropping her off for the weekend. Yeah, yeah.

Wilson:

And then I think whenever they started like tickling each other on the bed, I was like roommates or best friends, do not do this. And then I think right after that we found out there are a couple.

Captain:

It's a little out of order, but it's there's like no of order, but it it's there's like no, it doesn't add to the plot. Yeah, she says like I was telling you, like she literally says like I'm gonna miss you like seven times and then she leaves a note saying like I'm gonna miss you, I'm like girl, she knows we know, she knows um and also uh like.

Captain:

From the very jump of this movie they throw a camcorder in your face everywhere, like becca has a camcorder, alice uses the camcorder and then later on there's even more camcorder. I'm like people in 2009 did not walk around like this. I know that movies around this time period love to portray it like that, but I swear people were not walking around like that, filming everything right yeah, I mean I think we eventually find out like he has some psychological problems.

Wilson:

But even still, like this is an early on red flag, like if your partner was just like had a camera in your face 24-7.

Captain:

Yeah, no thanks I'm like.

Wilson:

No, I mean, I guess that's what a lot of YouTube people do, but no Like and subscribe, like and subscribe, like and subscribe.

Captain:

But Alice, basically, yeah, she's like hanging out with Becca or whatever, but then she's like no, I need you to leave, I want to focus on my screenplay, I want to like be here by myself and she like forces to send her away in the car, like she doesn't even have a car to get out of there. So she's like stuck there and then you didn't mention it, but like she packs a gun, which Becca really didn't want her to pack a gun. But she packs a gun, as far as we see, because she knows she's going to be out in the middle of nowhere by herself. So that gun was huge, Like I don't know. It looked really big in her hands.

Captain:

It looked like it was like made of foam, which maybe, probably probably was but um but yeah, so we see all that, and then the house is like really loud and creaky.

Wilson:

It makes a bunch of noises, which leads to her having like nightmares pretty much immediately yeah, I know like I think part of like this movie gets a little too heavy-handed with the ghosty stuff too early and I know I've complained about other movies. They take too long. But like one scene she turns away from a mirror and then it's only visible to the audience of like a ghost profile appearing in the mirror yeah, it was weird I mean I liked they gave us like two fake outs of like her getting towards the mirror and like opening and closing it.

Captain:

Like they faked us out twice with that that nothing popped into it. Um, but then something still went into it after she was gone which was like, if you're not gonna do it, don't do it.

Wilson:

Like definitely a little strange so I think while she's like poking around the house, you know, investigating some of these noises, she comes across or she gets scared and bumps a shelf and this fake book falls off and all of these like video camera tapes fall out she's um, she's like, led to the attic by like wet footprints in the dirty ass floor that's.

Captain:

I don't know if you remember it was like oh yes, yes, yeah never really figured out what those footprints were. Um, but around the same time that she finds these videotapes oh well, yeah, you can talk about the videotapes, but she also finds out ben's out of prison, like around the same time oh yeah, so this is her um ex-boyfriend who we find out and she's not remembering this.

Wilson:

Rebecca had to remind her that he what she was pregnant and then he tried to kill her, uh, like drown her in a tub.

Captain:

She survived, but um the she miscarried yeah, and she basically says like uh, or we basically find out that you know the reason why is? He swore it wasn't his baby. So that's why the meltdown happens.

Wilson:

Yes, but I guess he went to prison for that, yeah, and also got out kind of early.

Captain:

Yeah, attempted murder. I don't understand yeah.

Wilson:

So she calls Rebecca, saying like oh, oh, I'm hearing things in the house, someone is in here, whatever. She's like oh, okay, well, uh, go back to bed.

Captain:

It's 4 am and yeah, she's so like, not like what's the word. It's not like patronizing, but she's just like, I don't know like demeans anything that she brings any issue that she brings up, she just brushes it off.

Wilson:

I know, I know she was sent away, but your girlfriend is in a house in the middle of nowhere and she's hearing things. And her abusive ex-boyfriend.

Captain:

Just got out of prison.

Wilson:

Yeah, hello.

Captain:

And I know she says like oh, if you don't call the police, I will. But how about you just call the police? I'm home right now and I'm like what is happening here? And then Alice goes from being like I'm scared and I don't know what to do to being like again determined, like I'm going to stay here. Like what was this conversation?

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

Very clunky.

Wilson:

Yeah, it was.

Captain:

And then she starts watching the Lucy tapes.

Wilson:

Yes, and they're all creepily labeled.

Captain:

Lucy is sleeping or like Lucy eating yeah.

Wilson:

Yeah. So she's watching all these tapes and during this you get the impression one the husband in the tapes is a little weird, with the camera always in her face, and he starts to get suspicious very quickly that she is cheating on him with someone else yeah, so lucy, and we find out lucy and david are the couple that used to live in this house before her friend bought it.

Captain:

Um, and very quickly on we we hear that they also are pregnant and expecting. But yes, he is highly suspicious of of lucy pretty much from the jump. And Lucy also does not like being on camera. Like she tells him stop putting that camera in my face, which he just ignores.

Wilson:

Yeah. And so at the one scene he confronts Lucy like you were talking to him on the phone and she's like, no, I was talking to your mom. He even double checks, redials the number and it's his mom. But then somehow he's, he's just like he's still super suspicious.

Captain:

So he's a little unhinged.

Wilson:

You can tell so far.

Captain:

Yeah yeah. The weirdest scene of all of these tapes were like you can't tell how much of it is real and how much of it is in Alice's head, but like she watches, there's that memory of her, of lucy playing the piano, and like, while she is watching this, while alice is watching this, she's like in the scene and lucy turns around and says like stop filming me. Like she's a demon face, which that line is so awkward. Like a demon never says stop filming me. Like what the fuck? I don't know. It's like a very weird and like why is lucy the evil ghost?

Wilson:

like well, I mean, I don't know, I guess we've seen weirder things yeah, I guess it's just like a weird fake out or they don't want to give it away too early that yeah I don't know, um, so like.

Wilson:

Also, while she's trying to write her screenplay, like weird stuff is showing up in her laptop, um. But eventually she gets to a tape where lucy is about to leave her husband, at least temporarily. He confronts her, does not let her leave, the tape stops. So Alice goes looking around for this missing tape because there's an empty tape or a cartridge. So she does find it, and it the guy filmed the entire scene of him drowning his wife, carrying her out to the backyard, burying her in the ground and starting to hang himself.

Captain:

Yeah, yeah, and I don't know if it's around the same time that Alice was like, I'm going to embody Lucy.

Captain:

She puts on Lucy's old red heels her old dress that she finds in the attic and then puts her fucking lipstick on. I was like girl, girl, that's nasty. And she wears her the little necklace that says lucy on it, which is like I don't know again, like I don't know how much of this is real and how much of this like is. Is alice processing the trauma she went through with ben right, because it's like like mirrored stories with these two couples? But yeah, the embodying of Lucy is really weird and obviously she's writing this screenplay, which she even says Lucy's going to be my muse. But I'm confused with the fact that she said I'm here to finish my screenplay and it basically sounds like she wrote a brand new screenplay based on this couple. So I'm like is it in her head? If she's like I'm finishing it because she already was thinking about this story, you know what I mean.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

Or is it real, I don't know.

Wilson:

I don't know. I have my own thoughts about it okay um well, you can, we can yeah, well, yeah so, um, basically so then alice goes out to the yard, realizes or like, finds the grave, and then she gets a phone call and it's Ben and they have a surprisingly healthy relationship where he's like I'm really sorry, like I'm going to leave you alone, I'm not even there and you know. Like you know, you're free, yeah.

Captain:

Don't worry about me, I'm not coming for you or something. It's very, very strange. I don't know how to feel about that.

Wilson:

Yeah, I mean, I guess I feel good about it, seeing as he doesn't show up.

Captain:

he's not the one in the house yeah, I just it's very confusing, like why is that? What is that scene supposed to give me? Like it's all and it's like it's all on alice I to me.

Wilson:

I think it's just like giving us more evidence that he's not the one in the house. Okay, but I don't know. So she's like no, I don't believe you. You're here, you've been moving things around, they hang up. She goes back inside, she plays the rest of the tape because she stopped it early. Yeah, so he doesn't actually uh, so he's not actually hanged. Um, his mom comes in, cuts him down, uh and yeah, and then she turns around and he's in the house and he's like lucy yeah, because she's dressed exactly like lucy.

Wilson:

Yeah, so she runs. Of course he gets to her. Her gun's not in her suitcase anymore because Rebecca took it out secretly.

Captain:

She said I can't leave you alone with a gun.

Wilson:

Well, fair.

Captain:

I mean yeah.

Wilson:

So too many people's names. Who's the guy again? David David. Yes, he catches up to her, drowns her in the bathtub. Too many people's names. Who's the guy again? David David. Yes, he catches up to her, drowns her in the bathtub, wait.

Captain:

Right, yeah, he appears to drown Alice in the bathtub but, Lucy's ghost gets David out of there and, like I don't know, jumps like, scares him, or either pushes him over the banister of the stairs and he like dies on the floor below, which, again I don't know, jumps like, scares him, or either pushes him over the banister of the stairs and he like dies on the floor below, which again, I don't quite understand what's going on there because he is not there later on. But yeah, essentially like Lucy's ghost saves Alice from dying all the way and then Becca shows up.

Wilson:

Yeah, and she's like I mean obviously distressed because Alice is in an empty bathtub, but looks pretty sickly yep passed out, um, and then she kind of helps, like try to recover her.

Captain:

I think becca probably thinks that alice was not taking any of her meds and that's why she's like forcing meds down her throat, which I think we actually do watch her not take her meds, and that's why she's like forcing meds down her throat, which I think we actually do watch her not take her meds.

Wilson:

I think she thinks about it and then she puts them back down okay, yeah, uh, but anyway, and then, uh, becca finds the screenplay and as she opens it, it's like basically the story of the movie.

Captain:

Yeah, um like um, like the airplane movie we watched oh, uh, yes, I forgot it was called altitude, or. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, where it's like the story in the comic or the story in the screenplay is like the story of the movie yeah, which weirdly ended up being an okay movie that movie bald dude. That movie slaps, great movie um, uh and yeah.

Wilson:

So she finds the screenplay, she's like, oh okay um and she walks downstairs and she sees a camera on the ground. There's no body, but then she starts playing the camera and it's her being recorded sleeping and um, and it's her being recorded sleeping and um, alice is saying this recorded, yes, like an alice by alice, and alice is saying into the camera the same thing that david had said to lucy, and it was like you're so pretty when you're sleeping, or something you look like an angel when you're sleeping, or something which don't say that

Wilson:

yeah, and then it's becca with a shocked face and the movie ends uh yeah, so you said there's like a divisive ending sort of, and like I even looked it up and people are like, what is that ending? Um, I know there are a couple takes. My take is that the ghost stuff happened and she just used that as inspiration. In like a no drugged hallucination state of like, she just wrote it down.

Captain:

Wait, what ghost stuff happened.

Wilson:

Like.

Captain:

All of it.

Wilson:

Yeah, like in my mind, I think all of it happened and she wrote it down.

Captain:

Oh.

Captain:

But I know there are multiple ways like they left it kind of open to interpretation, ish, I think, because it sounds like you feel differently my interpretation was that, because becca makes that, makes that comment in the very beginning of the movie, before they even get to the house, where she says you have a lot of trauma that you haven't processed which has been attempting to murder her and the miscarriage and she's I mean, we find that out later but she says you have a lot of trauma that you haven't processed and it might be healthy to write your story and your screenplay and kind of get all of those emotions out, so like with that prompt and then the essentially exactly mirrored story of Lucy and David, but it's her and Ben have that life.

Captain:

I just feel like she is using that to kind of help get her story on paper and feel better, but also like process the trauma, so like she ends up in a bathtub because it's not fun to process, like she's not, it's not doing well without, like her medication or, you know, a therapist or whatever. I don't know how to deal with the Lucy necklace that uh, alice puts on, because Becca clearly sees the necklace. She even touches and touches the necklace and is like what the fuck is this? Maybe, maybe Lucy and David really did live in that house and they had some tapes there and like they, you know they had some stuff there, but she kind of, you know, threw her story out onto this.

Captain:

You know she's, like you know, put her own ideas of what their life could have been based on, what her life was that's true, so that sounds pretty good.

Wilson:

Actually I thought like that does sound very reasonable. But then also, how do you explain why the focus on recording Becca at the end?

Captain:

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, because it makes you feel like Alice is the one that's like the threat, right?

Wilson:

Yeah, like the cycle's gonna repeat, if you view it that way, in that story.

Captain:

Yeah, oh yeah, because they're a couple. So like she'd be like the un, she'd be like the unhealthy one in the couple now, like she was the one that was. Yeah on the other side of it. Yeah, I don't, I don't know, weird. I wish they went with a different last scene that like closed out or gave some type of understanding, I don't know. But like okay, do you really think david died, like when he went off the side of the steps?

Wilson:

I mean, his body's not there so, assuming it like all that stuff actually happened, I think he probably just got up and left or is hiding somewhere I mean we don't see what happens after them sitting on the stairs like he could just as easily come out and kill both of them that's true I don't know yeah, I I don't know the ending.

Captain:

I did not like, like the last scene. I I really didn't like I mean I didn't like any of the movie, but he's pretty clunky and there's definitely a lot of filler at the very beginning, like when they're going through the uh credits, like I'm like can we get this girl's fucking suitcase out of the closet? And packed, like, why is this taking so long? Um yeah, it's not a great movie no, but I do think it.

Wilson:

Uh, they got the timing right, like the length of the movie. It wasn't too long, it was almost too short.

Captain:

It just wasn't a good movie, but like the time was very reasonable yeah, that's usually our biggest complaint is it's either sped the fuck, like way too fast it's sped up, or like yeah, you're like, oh my God, move it.

Wilson:

Yes, yeah, this was like an hour and 20 minutes basically.

Captain:

Was it.

Wilson:

It was very close to it.

Captain:

Wow.

Wilson:

It says it's 89 minutes, but I don't know like five minutes of credits yeah.

Captain:

Yeah, yeah, do you have? I know there's not like a ton about this movie. Do you have things?

Wilson:

um, let's see. Well, I do see it. It says this was britney murphy's final film before her death um when exactly did this come out?

Captain:

I know she died in the same year, but I don't know how many like months apart.

Wilson:

She doesn't look the most healthy in this movie she does not, and I don't think that's entirely just. They wanted to make her look sickly, for the part no, now she did look kind of rough. So this was released in the United States on December 1st. It was October 5th in the UK.

Captain:

Didn't she die in December? She died December 20th.

Wilson:

Yeah, so later that month.

Captain:

Oh, that's where they did the. I don't know if you saw that thing about the recalling the posters, the film posters.

Wilson:

I did not see that.

Captain:

Oh, if you go down on the script.

Wilson:

I didn't scroll that far, oh sorry we skipped the num-nums. Okay, so, oh, I forgot about Redbox. That is kind of taste.

Wilson:

I mean, obviously they didn't plan that, but it is tasteless for her to be dead in a bathtub read it okay, sorry, sorry, yes um so after murphy's death on december 20th 2009, red box were called film posters which were displayed on kiosks around the country, and in the poster it depicted Murphy's character sitting in a bathtub with a dead version of the other female lead character's reflection in the mirror. So it was just yeah.

Captain:

What an L, Because Brittany Murphy, I believe, died in a bathroom Like she was found unresponsive in a bathroom, I'm pretty sure yeah, that's not uh yeah, it's not not great no, yeah, so I understand why they did that.

Wilson:

Um, I don't think there's any other.

Captain:

I don't even see trivia yeah, the only thing that I really found is that, like for the well, you can read the num, num stuff that's in there. But, um, yeah, most all I could really find is it's just an independently financed film, which I don't really know, like exactly what that means.

Wilson:

But so how did I mean? Was she really interested in this movie? Did she do a favor like?

Captain:

I have no idea. That's like also questions I have um I don't know okay, well, so I don't see.

Wilson:

I don't see a critic score audience 20. Um, let me check the letterbox oh, the letterbox.

Captain:

I know one interesting thing which is not super related to this movie, but Brittany Murphy's death is still like one of those things that is examined Because like there wasn't a lot that came out about like their cause and like the reason, and like I don't know, people still think that like there's conspiracy stuff with stuff with like what really caused her death, um, or it's considered like suspicious, I don't know.

Captain:

Yeah, she was like 32 at the time, um, but yeah, there's like when I'm googling there's like legit articles about it, there's reddit like posts about it, there's podcasts about it, like examining her death. But I'm pretty sure drugs were involved. She looks in this movie.

Wilson:

She looks, yeah, like sunken.

Captain:

Yes, that is a good description, so not great.

Wilson:

Her hair is giving shakira, but like not in a fresh way, no, yeah, I mean, I think part of it must have been makeup. But also, if they didn't have a huge budget, like, yeah, I, she just I feel like she clearly wasn't well during filming this.

Captain:

Probably not. Did you have a rag? I, like, didn't think about a rag at all when I was watching this.

Wilson:

I did not. I'm going to give myself a moment, but the Rotten Tooth Nope.

Captain:

Oh, Letterboxd.

Wilson:

Letterboxd is 2.3 out of 5. That's generous, yeah, so I guess I don't know if I super have a razor glass, because no part of the film really jumped out at me, stuck out to me no do you have one?

Captain:

this is bad. This is bad maybe only because we were like we called it. This is bad. This is bad. Maybe only because we were like we called it was where they started tickling and Becca was like when are you going to start telling your family about me? I was like oh, so that was probably my razor glass. Okay, yeah, I think. Representation in 2009.

Wilson:

Okay, yeah, pretty shocking actually, and the fact in 2009,. Okay.

Captain:

Yeah, pretty shocking actually, and the fact that there's layers to it, because she was dating a man that was attempted to murder her, and now she's living her life. Yeah, seeing how things go.

Wilson:

So do you have a poor one out? Oh?

Captain:

God, the entire movie. I felt like in the next movie do I feel like I had a porn out? Um, do I have a porn out in here? Um, yes, when lucy, or sorry, when alice puts on lucy's lipstick. That's probably sitting in the attic for 10 years. I was like, if you don't put that salmonella pink eye lipstick down, like sharing makeup is like disgusting. Especially you're like it's been sitting in an attic all like for probably years. So that's my, that's my point out for sure um, did you?

Wilson:

I think mine like. I think it has to do with the ghostly effects on um. What's her face? Thora's character, lucy lucy, yes uh, these are like regular names, people, you know, yeah, but we're like bopping out all regular names like Becca and Alice, alice, mom, mom, mom, I don't know, I just didn't like the like gimmicky effects on that Like making her look bad.

Captain:

I mean, she like legit looks like sally from the nightmare before christmas. In the one scene where they've like just painted like stitch lines on her, I'm like what? What's happening?

Wilson:

yeah, what this?

Captain:

is.

Wilson:

That would be a really good for halloween yeah I don't know, I mean maybe, maybe it was halloween and they're like just pop in here, makeup's fine.

Captain:

I don't know I don't know, so Would not recommend I gave it a one and a half on Letterboxd.

Wilson:

Honestly, I might do that too, like maybe even a one, depending if I'm like, the mood I'm in when I yeah.

Captain:

The only thing is I usually give ones to movies where I was like not only do I not know what the fuck's going on, but from when I have gathered, I hate it and like at least this one. I was like, okay, I understand the story for them, like I understand what's happening, because we've watched some movies where I'm like what is actually happening, um. So I gave it a one and a half. So yeah, I would probably give it like what was the audience score A 20?.

Wilson:

Yeah, yeah.

Captain:

It's a 20.

Wilson:

It's a 20. It's like a 23.

Captain:

It's like a 23.

Wilson:

Yeah, you know, maybe you're right, because if I go into the teens that means I'm mad about the movie.

Captain:

Yeah, and I'm not.

Wilson:

I wasn't mad about this one, I just didn't like it. I just didn't like it Would not recommend, so I'm gonna put in your score. You said 20% 23. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. I mean, I guess, percentage-wise, if I'm giving it like a 1, I'm gonna it like a one, I'm going to do 19.

Captain:

So you're a little mad.

Wilson:

A little mad. You're like a little mad, you know why?

Captain:

you're mad, you know why. And we didn't say this, people, because you spent $10 on the movie.

Wilson:

That is true. I'd be mad my only option to watch it in sync with you is my only option to watch it in sync with you, so now I have it forever in iTunes or whatever.

Captain:

Apple TV. Just another gift from the Red Room Podcast. Yup, yup, yup. Oh, next week. Oh, sorry, is that what you were going to say? Next week, yeah go for it. We're doing T, doing trap, which is 2024 did you say trash no um 2024? Yeah, that sounds right yeah, the um m night shamalan, m night shamalan I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on that one.

Captain:

I saw we rated it the same on letterboxd yeah, I have a lot of things that I that's what we're doing next week. Lastly, based on this movie, do you have any advice for me? Wise words, yes, thank you. I thought that was a really long french fry at first I wish you picked it up.

Wilson:

I wish, um, I, I don't know. I think I guess the advice would have to be somewhere around lucy and david. Like yeah, I don't know what she needs to do. Like, look at the warning signs.

Captain:

I don't have anything cute there to say, but like I think you could pull some advice from whatever the fuck don't do.

Wilson:

Whatever the fuck becca did you mean not show up for her significant other when she's in a crisis?

Captain:

yes, yes that's good advice. Don't do that yeah.