Deadline

Captain and Wilson discuss the 2009 horror, Deadline, which was Brittany Murphy's final film before her passing. 

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Brittany Murphy's Final Role

Captain 0:14

we're here , we're back we're back .

Wilson 0:18

I'm not rusty this time , I know .

Captain 0:19

Last time we I was rusty um , I think the last ones were fun .

Wilson 0:27

Oh , they were fun . I just felt like I struggled to get like how does this work ?

Captain 0:33

I mean , you know , I'm like lost without the script which ? I know I say it , like I've said it 170 times , but I still like need to read the words , Like I don't know what's wrong with me , but I like legit cannot do that intro without reading it .

Wilson 0:50

It should be second nature at this point .

Captain 0:52

I know , but I like stress and freak out . I'm like uh , uh , I don't know what are we talking about ? Where are we ? Yeah , that's really what it feels like Okay , so I heard we have a movie star in our presence . Where are we ? Yeah , that's really what it feels like Okay , so I heard we have a movie star in our presence .

Wilson 1:10

That's a strong word , but yeah , so I think actually did I talk about it in a previous podcast .

Captain 1:17

You did briefly talk about it , so someone like investigated . Yeah , maybe you don't have to say that that project is the same as this project because it's not , it's not totally different , unrelated yeah , so this week I was a background extra in a movie they were filming here .

Wilson 1:42

You gotta put the little clap sound .

Captain 1:43

Yeah , so there were . Like they were filming here , you've got to put the little clap sound .

Wilson 1:47

Yeah , so there were like 30 of us . I think we had to be there at 5 am and I got home at 8 pm . Jesus , it was a lot of standing and a lot of waiting . I was technically in , I think , four scenes , but we'll see if you can actually see me in those or if they include the scenes .

Captain 2:14

How far away from the camera were you ?

Wilson 2:20

Usually , like in most cases , it really is just the background , Like there's , I don't , I mean I don't know , like 20 feet , like somewhere around there Are you facing , or is it like the back of your head ?

Wilson 2:35

I know for a couple I was at least it was like the back of me , yeah , I don't know it was , but uh , overall it was . It was really cool just to see . Like you know , it sounds like they do usually three to five takes of the same scene . Um , the only thing that got really annoying is , uh , so they , they filmed a scene , they did like five takes and then I guess they wanted to try the scene from different angles , so they did that three more times where they did five takes , completely shifted the room around , like replaced the actors , did it . Five more takes , shifted the room .

Captain 3:19

And you have to just stay where you are .

Wilson 3:21

Yeah , to stay where you are . Yeah , but for those scenes in the background I'm supposed to be like uh fighting with uh somebody or okay , um , wow , you're like acting well , it's like I don't know if you can even see , but um so I I fight with him for a second and then I walk across the room .

Captain 3:40

So I had to walk across the room like 50 or you know uh 20 times , okay , but like that's like you're not just like sitting at a cafe , you're like doing uh , like activities yeah , I don't know we'll .

Wilson 3:54

Yeah , we'll see . There's like a scene I had to carry a crowbar while they were like pushing a box along and I looked . I felt like I looked like I was on an angry mob . Like how do you carry a crow bar and not look aggressive ?

Captain 4:09

yeah , I'm picturing like the sharks and the jets from what's that ?

Wilson 4:17

called west side story .

Captain 4:18

I haven't seen that , but jesus , you're like 50 years late I know , yeah , but I don't know how you carry that in a way where you're like la-di-da , I don't know , but that's like so exciting that you're like I don't know . When you say background actor , I like legitimately imagine you're like sitting at a cafe outside or like literally walking down the sidewalk , Like , but you're like I don't know .

Wilson 4:45

I mean , that is sort of like it was a smallish space , but that is sort of what it was like , you know yeah , but you had movie props dude and a wardrobe uh you didn't even say there's a wardrobe .

Captain 4:59

How is that ? Did you get movie makeup ?

Wilson 5:02

uh , no , they didn't put any makeup on . They did like they lined up all the extras because I had to grow up my facial hair and they're like . She like went through the line , pointed at me and she's like you're fine , as is , go to this lady and she'll touch up your hair . I guess they just didn't need to shave my beard , but they did just style my hair a little bit . That was it .

Captain 5:26

Hmm , was there anybody that was like rejected in the line ?

Wilson 5:31

Not that I've seen , because , like you , basically submit to or like apply to be part of it .

Captain 5:36

Right .

Wilson 5:37

So I think , as long as you didn't come in with dyed hair , they were fine .

Captain 5:41

Oh , okay .

Wilson 5:42

Yeah . I guess people that had like piercings might have had to take those out , probably . Yeah , I think that was part of the thing they're like . No piercings no , no jewelry , wow . But yeah , I didn't .

Captain 5:57

I didn't talk to the star , but like I was really close to him , dude , I told you , if that were me I'd be so annoying I'd be like , oh my god , it's you they specifically say in the instructions do not ask them for an autograph . Like oh , I don't think I would do that , I don't think I'd ask them for an autograph , but I definitely would be like it's you yeah it's you , I mean , yeah , I don't know how I wouldn't .

Captain 6:26

I mean , I feel like it's the same thing with that thing we did in college where they were like they did all the concerts but they were like you can't be a fan if you want to do this group and I was like okay , I like legit . What am I supposed to do not be like ? Oh my god , it's Rihanna . Like what the fuck ? Like ? I'm a normal person , I'm not like a robot , I don't know , I just like I don't know .

Captain 6:52

That's just very strange . It's hard for me to . It would be hard for me to turn that off like I don't know .

Wilson 6:58

Yeah , I kind of thought I would be like very starstruck , but it was like fine . I mean , it's so exciting to see like , oh , you know , that person I saw on tv is right there , um , but I didn't get like weirdly anxious and I expected to get that way did you get any tea .

Captain 7:13

Like was somebody like really rude or really nice , or um .

Wilson 7:18

About the actors no um what's that ? Mean or sorry , there was like there was drama when I left because , like these people were freaking out because one of the background actors left two and a half hours early , didn't tell anyone and didn't return his wardrobe um , they were like they were pretty , uh pretty hot and bothered about that yeah , but don't you give them , like all , your contact information oh yeah , like they would absolutely have charged him for that wardrobe . Oh yeah , yeah , yeah , I don't you give them like all your contact information .

Captain 7:47

Oh yeah , like they would absolutely have charged him for that wardrobe . Oh yeah , yeah , yeah , I don't know people are weird about like stupid , about not thinking that that's like a job , but it's like no , you really do have to do that yeah and like , what was your plan for this ?

Wilson 8:00

yeah ?

Captain 8:01

and , based on what I know about the movie , I don't know why you necessarily like want that wardrobe that he might have had on .

Wilson 8:07

So I mean , maybe it cost a good chunk of money .

Captain 8:11

I don't know but oh , maybe still well , that's so exciting , it's like time for your imbd . This is like so cool are you ?

Wilson 8:21

gonna do more now that you're like in the system um , I I want to , but not for a while , because , like the last two hours of the day , I was like I'm ready to get out of here , like yeah , 5 am to 8 pm is bad yeah , yeah , and they like kept pre-doing this one scene and I don't know I was like I still have to get bussed back to like the original location and I still have to return my wardrobe , and then I still have to drive home . I was just like I'm tired .

Captain 8:55

Well , I mean , that's exciting . When , when is this ? 2026 or yeah ?

Wilson 9:00

2026 . Yeah , I , I kind of get the feeling it'll be like direct to streaming , but who knows ?

Captain 9:07

the background actors get their name in the credits I think , I think , you do I mean nobody stays for that part .

Wilson 9:16

But like , I feel , like I've seen a movie credits where they say like you know , cafe patron or background something

Movie Start Extra Experience

Wilson 9:23

or other yeah , but like they can't do that for every movie , right , like the movie that we're doing next week .

Captain 9:30

Like that had like 2,000 background actors .

Wilson 9:34

Like for the next part , that's true , Like they can't do that for every movie . Yeah , I don't know . I don't know how that works .

Captain 9:41

I'll have to look at the law . The law , oh that's , I don't know .

Wilson 9:43

I don't know how that works .

Captain 9:44

I have to look at the law . The law . That's exciting . I want you to do more , yeah .

Wilson 9:51

I got like a mini selfie in the costume , but it's also like while I was trying to hide my phone in my lap , so obviously from that angle I just like look terrible .

Captain 10:02

I was going to say send it , but that's okay .

Wilson 10:08

Um well , okay , pop off , okay I mean you could look up , like I'm sure they film a ton of things I know they do , they do like that .

Captain 10:19

I mean I would . I really , really wish I I had seen the dexterxter one far in advance where I could have planned for it , because I would have legit gone all the way to New York if I could be there . But I would be a menace 100% . If Michael C Hall was near me it would be game over , I'd be escorted off .

Wilson 10:40

They'd kick you off because you're like stop staring at him in the scenes . That's the thing I be like looking over my shoulder , like I just I don't know it would be bad . It would be like unfun it'd be like whispering to the other background extras , like that's michael ceo dude .

Captain 11:00

If I heard him say tonight's tonight , I would literally lose it . I would .

Wilson 11:05

They'd have to cut , like do you think that's like Dude ? If I heard him say tonight's the night , I would literally lose it . They'd have to cut . Do you think that's something that runs rampant during his sets ? He says tonight's the night and then just half the extras , just pass out .

Captain 11:19

Yeah , they just have the medic carts ready .

Wilson 11:22

Yeah .

Captain 11:24

I don't know . He probably hears it all the time . He'd probably be really annoyed about it . Yeah , yeah , I don't know . He probably hears all the time . He'd probably be really annoyed about it . But I don't know , I would .

Wilson 11:27

Just it's like I don't know it's worth it yeah it's like , it's like how do I not do that ? I don't know , but I guess it'd be a good story .

Captain 11:38

Like I got kicked off the dexter set yeah , it'd be like when we went to it , wouldn't ? Well , it'd be worse than this , but when we went to that cinephile thing and that lady kept screaming at me that I was taking pictures of the lady oh , the like comic-con thing .

Captain 11:57

Yeah , but it wasn't that , but I was like she's like legitimately in public like I'm taking a photo of her from like 50 feet away and there's like a gazillion other heads in there and I'm getting yelled at about these photos . Like no one can even figure out who this is in this photo . There's no way you can make money on that picture , yeah this is like from my memories , like where am I putting this ? She's like screaming at me Not the big of a deal , girl , but okay , yeah , yeah . Not the big of a deal , girl , but okay , yeah , yeah .

Wilson 12:31

But it would be worse than a movie set , but that does remind me . So there's a steel city con . They do like three a year here , um , but there's another one there's another one happening , I think in august , and the the current lineup is like pretty good . Um , I don't know if you'd make your way here at that time , but uh I like why ?

Captain 12:51

why do they do so many ?

Wilson 12:54

I , I don't know . I guess they figured out . People come to them I guess that's , true but they have like uh , what where ?

Captain 13:02

do you see where ? Do you see where when they are like oh august . Where do you see when they are Like oh August 8th that weekend ?

Wilson 13:09

8th to 10th yeah .

Captain 13:13

I'm not doing anything right now . You don't say , oh , is it all these people Gatan from Stranger Things ? And then below . Yeah , who are these people ?

Wilson 13:33

Hank Azaria is in a lot of things . I think you'd recognize him , and his voice is very distinct .

Captain 13:40

It looks like it's probably a bad picture of him . And then John Cusack I've heard that like I know who that is yeah , john snyder was in smallville and dukes of hazard I don't know , I don't know who zoe perry is , um mary louise parker .

Wilson 13:57

I mean , we know her from .

Captain 13:58

Oh my god , I didn't even really recognize her . Amy smart looks familiar , but she kind of just looks like Cameron Diaz a little bit .

Wilson 14:07

I can see that .

Captain 14:09

Wilson , I don't know these people . Who the fuck is ? Eric Bischoff ?

Wilson 14:14

Eric , I don't know , bish , something about wrestling . It looks like .

Captain 14:25

I mean , I don't think you care about this , but Steve Downs plays the voice of Master Chief from Halo and Sir , Sir , Sir , what I know , If you like , played me a clip of Halo and you told me guess this video game like I legitimately . I have no idea .

Wilson 14:50

I would be , totally guessing . Yeah , yeah , I mean , jay might right .

Captain 14:55

No , he would , yeah he would know what's the one that we went to . I can't remember what it was called . It was like AlienCon or Out of Space GalaxyCon .

Wilson 15:03

Okay , so you're close .

Captain 15:05

I was really close . I saw that at GalaxyCon . I don't know if you've seen that , but there's been a bunch of clips from the one that was this year the guy that did Crazy Steve in Drake and Josh and he was the brother in iCarly .

Wilson 15:29

That guy ?

Captain 15:29

Oh , jerry Trainor josh , and he was the brother in he was the brother in I , carly , oh , oh uh , jerry trainer . Yeah , he was the . He was like the big talk person at galaxy con this year . Um , I think , because I've seen clips and it was like hashtag galaxy con , so um it's a .

Wilson 15:44

Those are good conventions . Oh , there's a bunch of them , sorry .

Captain 15:48

No , it's not just Richmond , yeah there's a bunch of them , so he must have been at some other one probably .

Wilson 15:53

Richmond's still a fairly big one .

Captain 15:58

Dude , they do these everywhere New Orleans , raleigh , san Jose . He was probably in the one in Cali . To be honest , I didn't realize they were everywhere , okay , well , anyway , I was like I'd kind of go see him , yeah . But okay , are we ? Sorry , we're getting really off topic .

Wilson 16:16

I don't know how long we've been talking We've probably been talking a while . 15 minutes , okay , it's not bad .

Captain 16:22

Okay , but we're excited for you .

Wilson 16:27

Yeah , it's good stuff . Whenever it's out , I'll be first in line .

Captain 16:35

Definitely screenshot your name in the creds .

Wilson 16:38

The creds ? Yeah , I don't have any . There's a really good chance . You will never see me in that movie .

Captain 16:45

Did you tell your brother ?

Wilson 16:47

Yeah , I did yeah .

Captain 16:48

What did he say I ?

Wilson 16:49

thought it was pretty cool . My mom's very excited too . Your eye roll , that tracks . I mean I'm happy , she's excited . I need a hype man like that .

Captain 17:02

I feel like if I told my parents I was a background actor , I don't think I'd get any excitement from I don't think they would . I don't know . I think they'd be like okay .

Wilson 17:13

Can I watch it ?

Captain 17:14

Yeah , it would depend on what type of movie or who was in it , I think .

Wilson 17:19

Do you want to pop in ?

Captain 17:20

Yeah , yeah , you got your alcoholic beverage Beveragino . Oh yeah , yeah , yeah , you're , you got your alcoholic beverage , beverage , beverage , you know ? Uh , yeah , beverage , gina , that's fun got me a kona .

Wilson 17:31

Uh , I wanted to actually have something like a cocktail , but I didn't have anything to mix it with , so what was that thing ?

Captain 17:39

that ? Um , uh , oh man , what's her name for the podcast ? Lieutenant ? She was like my mixer's just water . I don't know if you remember that . I don't know if you remember that I was like that's disgusting .

Wilson 17:54

Yeah .

Captain 17:55

But these are college days and not college people anymore .

Wilson 17:59

Yeah , I would never do that again .

Captain 18:02

Yeah , sometimes I think about the things that I was doing and I was like like ew , who was that ?

Wilson 18:12

like I get that's a time for like just doing things .

Captain 18:13

But nasty times . I can't even smell cinnamon anymore , because red fireball is just you wait , you don't like cinnamon at all anymore I mean I can like , I mean I can like deal with like

Cast and Characters Introduction

Captain 18:24

regular ground cinnamon from a little but not like big red gum or like oh no , hot cinnamon hot cinnamon disgusting hot cinnamon vomit like I cannot . Fireball is I . I even even like imagining the bottle is giving me chills like it's just . It's that bad .

Wilson 18:46

I don't think I ever got sick on fireball . It's like ciders . I can't drink anymore , like I won't touch them , even though I loved them in college .

Captain 18:54

Yeah oh , long time ago . Anyway , okay , you want to jump in here . Sorry , I keep getting distracted . Okay , tell me what we got alright , we got .

Wilson 19:05

All right , we got .

Captain 19:10

Not rusty huh .

Wilson 19:12

No , no , no . Welcome to the 169th episode of the Red Rum Podcast , where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two , and I'm Captain . And I'm Wilson review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two and I'm captain and I'm wilson , and this week we're reviewing the 2009 american psychological horror film deadline one of many deadlines oh yeah , definitely 2009 yeah , while we were watching it , because I didn't look at the year until we were like halfway through , I didn't know when it took place .

Captain 19:48

Yeah , when you said 2022 , I was like what the fuck are you on ?

Wilson 19:53

Apple TV thought it was some other movie , clearly , because there was also . It was deadline period 2022 . I was like how posthumously was this released ? No , no .

Captain 20:06

They did not drag her out of the grave over a decade later .

Wilson 20:08

I was like how posthumously was this released ?

Captain 20:09

No , they did not drag her out of the grave over a decade later . No no 2009 . And then I don't know if you saw but the director for this movie is not clickable but he has a small IMBD page that he had some stuff on there .

Wilson 20:25

Okay , did he do some stuff on there ? Okay , did he do anything else ?

Captain 20:29

I guess I should know that . As far as I found , not really .

Wilson 20:35

Are you telling me this was his first and last movie ?

Captain 20:39

Well , this movie was produced . It's called an independent film , but it was produced by some company in Malaysia . I don't really know what that means , like that KCU studio thing that we were .

Wilson 20:52

Oh , yeah , yeah .

Captain 20:53

Yeah , it's like some company in Malaysia .

Wilson 20:56

Okay . Well , he has three movies coming up .

Captain 21:01

What .

Wilson 21:01

Yeah .

Captain 21:02

Who I mean ? What are they ?

Wilson 21:11

The Last Moon up . What , yeah , who I mean ? What are they um , the last moon ? Is this the same sean mcconville ? I yeah it says he like , yes , this was his only film .

Captain 21:16

Uh , wait a second it's a different sean mcconville , huh oh , no , sorry , I got the sections mixed .

Wilson 21:24

He is the director for three upcoming films and he well , he was a producer for three films . But that's not what we're looking at .

Captain 21:33

Where do you see ? Oh , upcoming , I didn't click on that , okay . I mean , these look like these are like short films , these titles Maybe . The car short films , these titles , maybe the car ?

Wilson 21:49

the last moon black sky .

Captain 21:51

I mean , if that's not a short film , I don't know what is isn't that bird movie um dark ?

Wilson 21:59

skies or something dark sky I mean that that's basically the that was a feature film .

Captain 22:05

What's that movie called with Sandra Bullock in the blindfold ? Is that Blackbird ?

Wilson 22:09

Oh Bird Box .

Captain 22:11

Hmm , close enough .

Wilson 22:13

Yeah , yeah , okay , so that was Sean McConville .

Captain 22:19

Yeah .

Wilson 22:20

Yep All right , shawnee boy All right . So , moving into the cast , we have Brittany Murphy as Alice . Evans For the longest time , I think shortly after she passed . I really thought I got her and Brittany Snow confused and I didn't know the difference .

Captain 22:40

Oh , that's fair actually .

Wilson 22:41

Yeah , I mean , they look different , but what ?

Captain 22:47

Pup , she's trying to get as close as she can to me , but it's not that close . Oh , like since you're in the kitchen ? Yeah , she's just sat on the couch in the closest spot . She can but like hoping that I'll come over there . She'll be fine . Tough luck , pup yeah . Sorry , continue like hoping that I'll come over . So you're fine , tough luck . Yeah , sorry continue . Uh , so she was ty and clueless this is where I met her in clueless oh , you met her , were you a background actress ?

Wilson 23:17

uh uh , lisa and drop dead gorgeous um , alex , yeah , alex , and eight mile and gloria and happy feet , lisa in Drop Dead .

Captain 23:22

Gorgeous Both of those were 99 , yeah .

Wilson 23:26

Alex in 8 Mile . Gloria in Happy Feet . I know I saw Happy Feet . I don't remember much Well her biggest role is the last one .

Captain 23:38

You didn't say .

Wilson 23:39

Luanne from King of the Hills . Is that the niece ?

Captain 23:42

I think so yeah , the one with the crop top ? I think I guess so . Or the ugly blonde haircut , the niece , I think so .

Wilson 23:46

Yeah , the one with the crop top ? I think I guess so . Or the ugly blonde haircut .

Captain 23:48

Yeah , yeah , yeah but she's in , like you know , 300 episodes of that show or something damn okay .

Wilson 23:53

I I wonder who's replacing her , because king of the hills coming back did you watch the show side effects at all ?

Captain 24:03

sorry ? Oh common side effects sorry oh wait do we talk about this ?

Wilson 24:08

because , um , it was like it showed up on our watch list . I don't remember why I added it , but we did watch like four episodes so far yeah , it has the voice from the king of the hill guy . Oh , um , yeah , uh , the guy who created . Yeah sorry , mike Judge , he did Beavis and . Butthead , I think that's his show .

Captain 24:32

Okay , well , the guy that does Hank voices again .

Wilson 24:39

I first . I watched Simpsons early on , but I first figured out who Mike Judge was from Spy Kids 2 , where he played Mr Giggles .

Captain 24:58

His most prominent role , for sure .

Wilson 25:00

Yeah , Donaghan Giggles .

Captain 25:03

Jesus Christ .

Wilson 25:04

He was a bad guy . Have you not seen those movies ?

Captain 25:07

I did , but but , dude , I haven't seen a movie since . It was like legit , like it came out like when are you watching spy kids ?

Wilson 25:15

two anytime recently well , okay , first , that's the best spy kids um first of all bitch um , but actually he was in all three apparently , but I think he was the big thing in two .

Captain 25:28

Now you're not answering my question .

Wilson 25:32

I mean , I haven't , I think the last time I watched it , okay , at least 10 years ago , but I do want to watch it again soon .

Captain 25:40

Yeah , now you're kind of making me want to watch it .

Wilson 25:43

I think only one and two are worth watching .

Captain 25:46

I know I say this all the time but I always mix up Spy Kids and Sharkboy and Lavagirl .

Wilson 25:53

I can see why . I mean I think they're both Robert Rodriguez , like he's the director , and Spy Kids 3 looks a lot like Sharkboy and Lavagirl , with all the CGI .

Captain 26:07

I think Spy Kids 3 . I can , I can't remember . I have to watch them . I don't do my letterbox a letterbox , wait .

Wilson 26:15

So what wait ? But what were you gonna ask about spy kids 3 ?

Captain 26:19

well , you're like , I am an expert , you have an expert on the line .

Wilson 26:23

I'm just curious .

Captain 26:24

No , the scene where the guy or the kid is falling in the infinity tunnel .

Wilson 26:31

That's Spy Kids 2 , and he fell in a volcano .

Captain 26:35

Okay , Zero points . I lost trivia . I don't know what to tell you . Okay anyway .

Wilson 26:43

Why are we on Spy Kids ? Was there a question there or you were just saying a scene ?

Captain 26:47

you remembered . That's the most prominent scene I remember .

Wilson 26:51

Oh yeah , Okay , yes .

Captain 26:55

That's Brittany Murphy .

Wilson 26:58

That is Brittany Murphy . We have Thora Birch , who is most known for playing the little sister in Hocus Pocus , but she was also in American Beauty . I think she was the star , like the girl on the cover .

Captain 27:13

Oh is she ? I think she might be .

Wilson 27:16

Unless I'm mixing her up with someone else .

Captain 27:18

Oh no , actually I think you might be right . Well , there's not a face on the cover , it's like just an abdomen .

Wilson 27:24

Oh yeah . Okay , you're right , but I think she does play like the the main girl I think so let me see who's in this thor birch is also some role in walking dead .

Captain 27:35

That was significant , like I think she was in like 10 episodes , but either I didn't watch that far or I don't remember her role oh yeah , I forgot you like shotgunned that entire , that entire series , yeah , and then we dropped it off the time that everybody else dropped off Walking Dead . And she plays Lucy in this movie , which I don't think you said .

Wilson 27:59

Oh right .

Captain 28:00

Yeah , yeah .

Wilson 28:02

Then we have Tammy Blanchard as Rebecca . She was first known for playing Judy Garland in the television film Life with Judy Garland from 2000 . Nope , no from the other movie .

Captain 28:14

Yeah , way back and then , but more recently she was in the Invitation . I can never remember . Did we do that for the podcast ?

Wilson 28:20

The Invitation . It sounds like a movie that we've done .

Captain 28:25

I think I've seen it .

Wilson 28:27

The cover does not look done . I think I've seen it . The cover does not look familiar .

Captain 28:30

I think I watched it streaming just for funsy one time , but it sounds like every other early mid-2000s movie .

Wilson 28:39

Yeah , I can tell you . Let me search our scripts really quick . It does not look like we have .

Captain 28:46

Damn , this is 2022 . Ooh , terrible reviews Okay .

Wilson 28:52

Surprise , surprise .

Captain 28:54

Surprise , surprise .

Wilson 28:57

Then we have Mark Lucas as David Woods . He's most known as Riley from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Matthew in Necessary Roughness . I've not heard of that . I don't know . He was in a show , the and Matthew in Necessary Roughness . I've not heard of that .

Captain 29:08

I don't know . He was in a . The show's called Necessary Roughness

Alice in the Isolated House

Captain 29:12

. I don't know anything about it , but he was the main role . That's why I wrote it in there . You watch Buffy right .

Wilson 29:19

No , but it's on my list .

Captain 29:20

I don't know when I'll ever get to it because I like the shows around that time period charmed charmed but they were like both cw shows yeah , and you're smallville ass over there with your yep also cw could not get in , not get into it , um , anyway . So yeah , we have our like main characters alice , her friend , becca friend , and then the lucy and david who are the couple that she's like living through yes um small cast very small cast , um .

Wilson 29:58

So the movie starts off with alice . This is britney murphy's character . She needs to complete a screenplay , um , and so she goes to this like house that this creepy guy they know owns yeah , they said , a friend , a slimy friend , owns it yeah , and she's going so she can focus and finish her screenplay . Um , and she really wants to stay alone and and her friend Rebecca agrees and leaves her there During all these intro scenes . I'm like this is a little lesbian coded .

Captain 30:36

Yeah , I mean we both were kind of getting that vibe Because Becca is like I just don't want you to be lonely and I'm going to miss you so much . I'm like the way that she's saying this is not just like a friend letting her , dropping her off for the weekend . Yeah , yeah .

Wilson 30:52

And then I think whenever they started like tickling each other on the bed , I was like roommates or best friends , do not do this . And then I think right after that we found out there are a couple .

Captain 31:02

It's a little out of order , but it's there's like no of order , but it it's there's like no , it doesn't add to the plot . Yeah , she says like I was telling you , like she literally says like I'm gonna miss you like seven times and then she leaves a note saying like I'm gonna miss you , I'm like girl , she knows we know , she knows um and also uh like .

Captain 31:23

From the very jump of this movie they throw a camcorder in your face everywhere , like becca has a camcorder , alice uses the camcorder and then later on there's even more camcorder . I'm like people in 2009 did not walk around like this . I know that movies around this time period love to portray it like that , but I swear people were not walking around like that , filming everything right yeah , I mean I think we eventually find out like he has some psychological problems .

Wilson 31:51

But even still , like this is an early on red flag , like if your partner was just like had a camera in your face 24-7 .

Captain 32:01

Yeah , no thanks I'm like .

Wilson 32:02

No , I mean , I guess that's what a lot of YouTube people do , but no Like and subscribe , like and subscribe , like and subscribe .

Captain 32:10

But Alice , basically , yeah , she's like hanging out with Becca or whatever , but then she's like no , I need you to leave , I want to focus on my screenplay , I want to like be here by myself and she like forces to send her away in the car , like she doesn't even have a car to get out of there . So she's like stuck there and then you didn't mention it , but like she packs a gun , which Becca really didn't want her to pack a gun . But she packs a gun , as far as we see , because she knows she's going to be out in the middle of nowhere by herself . So that gun was huge , Like I don't know . It looked really big in her hands .

Captain 32:49

It looked like it was like made of foam , which maybe , probably probably was but um but yeah , so we see all that , and then the house is like really loud and creaky .

Wilson 33:00

It makes a bunch of noises , which leads to her having like nightmares pretty much immediately yeah , I know like I think part of like this movie gets a little too heavy-handed with the ghosty stuff too early and I know I've complained about other movies . They take too long . But like one scene she turns away from a mirror and then it's only visible to the audience of like a ghost profile appearing in the mirror yeah , it was weird I mean I liked they gave us like two fake outs of like her getting towards the mirror and like opening and closing it .

Captain 33:33

Like they faked us out twice with that that nothing popped into it . Um , but then something still went into it after she was gone which was like , if you're not gonna do it , don't do it .

Wilson 33:44

Like definitely a little strange so I think while she's like poking around the house , you know , investigating some of these noises , she comes across or she gets scared and bumps a shelf and this fake book falls off and all of these like video camera tapes fall out she's um , she's like , led to the attic by like wet footprints in the dirty ass floor that's .

Captain 34:07

I don't know if you remember it was like oh yes , yes , yeah never really figured out what those footprints were . Um , but around the same time that she finds these videotapes oh well , yeah , you can talk about the videotapes , but she also finds out ben's out of prison , like around the same time oh yeah , so this is her um ex-boyfriend who we find out and she's not remembering this .

Wilson 34:30

Rebecca had to remind her that he what she was pregnant and then he tried to kill her , uh , like drown her in a tub .

Captain 34:39

She survived , but um the she miscarried yeah , and she basically says like uh , or we basically find out that you know the reason why is ? He swore it wasn't his baby . So that's why the meltdown happens .

Wilson 34:56

Yes , but I guess he went to prison for that , yeah , and also got out kind of early .

Captain 35:00

Yeah , attempted murder . I don't understand yeah .

Wilson 35:05

So she calls Rebecca , saying like oh , oh , I'm hearing things in the house , someone is in here , whatever . She's like oh , okay , well , uh , go back to bed .

Captain 35:15

It's 4 am and yeah , she's so like , not like what's the word . It's not like patronizing , but she's just like , I don't know like demeans anything that she brings any issue that she brings up , she just brushes it off .

Wilson 35:30

I know , I know she was sent away , but your girlfriend is in a house in the middle of nowhere and she's hearing things . And her abusive ex-boyfriend .

Captain 35:41

Just got out of prison .

Wilson 35:43

Yeah , hello .

Captain 35:45

And I know she says like oh , if you don't call the police , I will . But how about you just call the police ? I'm home right now and I'm like what is happening here ? And then Alice goes from being like I'm scared and I don't know what to do to being like again determined , like I'm going to stay here . Like what was this conversation ?

Wilson 36:15

Yeah .

Captain 36:16

Very clunky .

Wilson 36:19

Yeah , it was .

Captain 36:20

And then she starts watching the Lucy tapes .

Wilson 36:22

Yes , and they're all creepily labeled .

Captain 36:24

Lucy is sleeping or like Lucy eating yeah .

Wilson 36:30

Yeah . So she's watching all these tapes and during this you get the impression one the husband in the tapes is a little weird , with the camera always in her face , and he starts to get suspicious very quickly that she is cheating on him with someone else yeah , so lucy , and we find out lucy and david are the couple that used to live in this house before her friend bought it .

Captain 36:55

Um , and very quickly on we we hear that they also are pregnant and expecting . But yes , he is highly suspicious of of lucy pretty much from the jump . And Lucy also does not like being on camera . Like she tells him stop putting that camera in my face , which he just ignores .

Wilson 37:16

Yeah . And so at the one scene he confronts Lucy like you were talking to him on the phone and she's like , no , I was talking to your mom . He even double checks , redials the number and it's his mom . But then somehow he's , he's just like he's still super suspicious .

Captain 37:35

So he's a little unhinged .

Wilson 37:36

You can tell so far .

Captain 37:37

Yeah yeah . The weirdest scene of all of these tapes were like you can't tell how much of it is real and how much of it is in Alice's head , but like she watches , there's that memory of her , of lucy playing the piano , and like , while she is watching this , while alice is watching this , she's like in the scene and lucy turns around and says like stop filming me . Like she's a demon face , which that line is so awkward . Like a demon never says stop filming me . Like what the fuck ? I don't know . It's like a very weird and like why is lucy the evil ghost ?

Wilson 38:14

like well , I mean , I don't know , I guess we've seen weirder things yeah , I guess it's just like a weird fake out or they don't want to give it away too early that yeah I don't know , um , so like .

Wilson 38:31

Also , while she's trying to write her screenplay , like weird stuff is showing up in her laptop , um . But eventually she gets to a tape where lucy is about to leave her husband , at least temporarily . He confronts her , does not let her leave , the tape stops . So Alice goes looking around for this missing tape because there's an empty tape or a cartridge . So she does find it , and it the guy filmed the entire scene of him drowning his wife , carrying her out to the backyard , burying her in the ground and starting to hang himself .

Captain 39:12

Yeah , yeah , and I don't know if it's around the same time that Alice was like , I'm going to embody Lucy .

Captain 39:20

She puts on Lucy's old red heels her old dress that she finds in the attic and then puts her fucking lipstick on . I was like girl , girl , that's nasty . And she wears her the little necklace that says lucy on it , which is like I don't know again , like I don't know how much of this is real and how much of this like is . Is alice processing the trauma she went through with ben right , because it's like like mirrored stories with these two couples ? But yeah , the embodying of Lucy is really weird and obviously she's writing this screenplay , which she even says Lucy's going to be my muse . But I'm confused with the fact that she said I'm here to finish my screenplay and it basically sounds like she wrote a brand new screenplay based on this couple . So I'm like is it in her head ? If she's like I'm finishing it because she already was thinking about this story , you know what I mean .

Wilson 40:20

Yeah .

Captain 40:22

Or is it real , I don't know .

Wilson 40:24

I don't know . I have my own thoughts about it okay um well , you can , we can yeah , well , yeah so , um , basically

Lucy and David's Disturbing Tapes

Wilson 40:37

so then alice goes out to the yard , realizes or like , finds the grave , and then she gets a phone call and it's Ben and they have a surprisingly healthy relationship where he's like I'm really sorry , like I'm going to leave you alone , I'm not even there and you know . Like you know , you're free , yeah .

Captain 41:00

Don't worry about me , I'm not coming for you or something . It's very , very strange . I don't know how to feel about that .

Wilson 41:09

Yeah , I mean , I guess I feel good about it , seeing as he doesn't show up .

Captain 41:11

he's not the one in the house yeah , I just it's very confusing , like why is that ? What is that scene supposed to give me ? Like it's all and it's like it's all on alice I to me .

Wilson 41:23

I think it's just like giving us more evidence that he's not the one in the house . Okay , but I don't know . So she's like no , I don't believe you . You're here , you've been moving things around , they hang up . She goes back inside , she plays the rest of the tape because she stopped it early . Yeah , so he doesn't actually uh , so he's not actually hanged . Um , his mom comes in , cuts him down , uh and yeah , and then she turns around and he's in the house and he's like lucy yeah , because she's dressed exactly like lucy .

Wilson 42:05

Yeah , so she runs . Of course he gets to her . Her gun's not in her suitcase anymore because Rebecca took it out secretly .

Captain 42:15

She said I can't leave you alone with a gun .

Wilson 42:18

Well , fair .

Captain 42:19

I mean yeah .

Wilson 42:21

So too many people's names . Who's the guy again ? David David . Yes , he catches up to her , drowns her in the bathtub . Too many people's names . Who's the guy again ? David David . Yes , he catches up to her , drowns her in the bathtub , wait .

Captain 42:35

Right , yeah , he appears to drown Alice in the bathtub but , Lucy's ghost gets David out of there and , like I don't know , jumps like , scares him , or either pushes him over the banister of the stairs and he like dies on the floor below , which , again I don't know , jumps like , scares him , or either pushes him over the banister of the stairs and he like dies on the floor below , which again , I don't quite understand what's going on there because he is not there later on . But yeah , essentially like Lucy's ghost saves Alice from dying all the way and then Becca shows up .

Wilson 43:04

Yeah , and she's like I mean obviously distressed because Alice is in an empty bathtub , but looks pretty sickly yep passed out , um , and then she kind of helps , like try to recover her .

Captain 43:19

I think becca probably thinks that alice was not taking any of her meds and that's why she's like forcing meds down her throat , which I think we actually do watch her not take her meds , and that's why she's like forcing meds down her throat , which I think we actually do watch her not take her meds .

Wilson 43:29

I think she thinks about it and then she puts them back down okay , yeah , uh , but anyway , and then , uh , becca finds the screenplay and as she opens it , it's like basically the story of the movie .

Captain 43:44

Yeah , um like um , like the airplane movie we watched oh , uh , yes , I forgot it was called altitude , or . Oh , yeah , yeah , yeah yeah , where it's like the story in the comic or the story in the screenplay is like the story of the movie yeah , which weirdly ended up being an okay movie that movie bald dude . That movie slaps , great movie um , uh and yeah .

Wilson 44:11

So she finds the screenplay , she's like , oh okay um and she walks downstairs and she sees a camera on the ground . There's no body , but then she starts playing the camera and it's her being recorded sleeping and um , and it's her being recorded sleeping and um , alice is saying this recorded , yes , like an alice by alice , and alice is saying into the camera the same thing that david had said to lucy , and it was like you're so pretty when you're sleeping , or something you look like an angel when you're sleeping , or something which don't say that

Wilson 44:45

yeah , and then it's becca with a shocked face and the movie ends uh yeah , so you said there's like a divisive ending sort of , and like I even looked it up and people are like , what is that ending ? Um , I know there are a couple takes . My take is that the ghost stuff happened and she just used that as inspiration . In like a no drugged hallucination state of like , she just wrote it down .

Captain 45:16

Wait , what ghost stuff happened .

Wilson 45:18

Like .

Captain 45:19

All of it .

Wilson 45:20

Yeah , like in my mind , I think all of it happened and she wrote it down .

Captain 45:25

Oh .

Captain 45:27

But I know there are multiple ways like they left it kind of open to interpretation , ish , I think , because it sounds like you feel differently my interpretation was that , because becca makes that , makes that comment in the very beginning of the movie , before they even get to the house , where she says you have a lot of trauma that you haven't processed which has been attempting to murder her and the miscarriage and she's I mean , we find that out later but she says you have a lot of trauma that you haven't processed and it might be healthy to write your story and your screenplay and kind of get all of those emotions out , so like with that prompt and then the essentially exactly mirrored story of Lucy and David , but it's her and Ben have that life .

Captain 46:18

I just feel like she is using that to kind of help get her story on paper and feel better , but also like process the trauma , so like she ends up in a bathtub because it's not fun to process , like she's not , it's not doing well without , like her medication or , you know , a therapist or whatever . I don't know how to deal with the Lucy necklace that uh , alice puts on , because Becca clearly sees the necklace . She even touches and touches the necklace and is like what the fuck is this ? Maybe , maybe Lucy and David really did live in that house and they had some tapes there and like they , you know they had some stuff there , but she kind of , you know , threw her story out onto this .

Captain 47:12

You know she's , like you know , put her own ideas of what their life could have been based on , what her life was that's true , so that sounds pretty good .

Wilson 47:22

Actually I thought like that does sound very reasonable . But then also , how do you explain why the focus on recording Becca at the end ?

Captain 47:34

Yeah , I don't know . Yeah , because it makes you feel like Alice is the one that's like the threat , right ?

Wilson 47:45

Yeah , like the cycle's gonna repeat , if you view it that way , in that story .

Captain 47:49

Yeah , oh yeah , because they're a couple . So like she'd be like the un , she'd be like the unhealthy one in the couple now , like she was the one that was . Yeah on the other side of it . Yeah , I don't , I don't know , weird . I wish they went with a different last scene that like closed out or gave some type of understanding , I don't know . But like okay , do you really think david died , like when he went off the side of the steps ?

Wilson 48:19

I mean , his body's not there so , assuming it like all that stuff actually happened , I think he probably just got up and left or is hiding somewhere I mean we don't see what happens after them sitting on the stairs like he could just as easily come out and kill both of them that's true I don't know yeah , I I don't know the ending .

Captain 48:42

I did not like , like the last scene . I I really didn't like I mean I didn't like any of the movie , but he's pretty clunky and there's definitely a lot of filler at the very beginning , like when they're going through the uh credits , like I'm like can we get this girl's fucking suitcase out of the closet ? And packed , like , why is this taking so long ? Um yeah , it's not a great movie no , but I do think it .

Wilson 49:10

Uh , they got the timing right , like the length of the movie . It wasn't too long , it was almost too short .

Captain 49:18

It just wasn't a good movie , but like the time was very reasonable yeah , that's usually our biggest complaint is it's either sped the fuck , like way too fast it's sped up , or like yeah , you're like , oh my God , move it .

Wilson 49:33

Yes , yeah , this was like an hour and 20 minutes basically .

Captain 49:37

Was it .

Wilson 49:38

It was very close to it .

Captain 49:39

Wow .

Wilson 49:40

It says it's 89 minutes , but I don't know like five minutes of credits yeah .

Captain 49:44

Yeah , yeah , do you have ? I know there's not like a ton about this movie . Do you have things ?

Trauma Mirroring and Ambiguous Ending

Wilson 49:54

um , let's see . Well , I do see it . It says this was britney murphy's final film before her death um when exactly did this come out ?

Captain 50:05

I know she died in the same year , but I don't know how many like months apart .

Wilson 50:09

She doesn't look the most healthy in this movie she does not , and I don't think that's entirely just . They wanted to make her look sickly , for the part no , now she did look kind of rough . So this was released in the United States on December 1st . It was October 5th in the UK .

Captain 50:33

Didn't she die in December ? She died December 20th .

Wilson 50:38

Yeah , so later that month .

Captain 50:41

Oh , that's where they did the . I don't know if you saw that thing about the recalling the posters , the film posters .

Wilson 50:46

I did not see that .

Captain 50:48

Oh , if you go down on the script .

Wilson 50:53

I didn't scroll that far , oh sorry we skipped the num-nums . Okay , so , oh , I forgot about Redbox . That is kind of taste .

Wilson 51:09

I mean , obviously they didn't plan that , but it is tasteless for her to be dead in a bathtub read it okay , sorry , sorry , yes um so after murphy's death on december 20th 2009 , red box were called film posters which were displayed on kiosks around the country , and in the poster it depicted Murphy's character sitting in a bathtub with a dead version of the other female lead character's reflection in the mirror . So it was just yeah .

Captain 51:39

What an L , Because Brittany Murphy , I believe , died in a bathroom Like she was found unresponsive in a bathroom , I'm pretty sure yeah , that's not uh yeah , it's not not great no , yeah , so I understand why they did that .

Wilson 51:59

Um , I don't think there's any other .

Captain 52:01

I don't even see trivia yeah , the only thing that I really found is that , like for the well , you can read the num , num stuff that's in there . But , um , yeah , most all I could really find is it's just an independently financed film , which I don't really know , like exactly what that means .

Wilson 52:20

But so how did I mean ? Was she really interested in this movie ? Did she do a favor like ?

Captain 52:28

I have no idea . That's like also questions I have um I don't know okay , well , so I don't see .

Wilson 52:38

I don't see a critic score audience 20 . Um , let me check the letterbox oh , the letterbox .

Captain 52:47

I know one interesting thing which is not super related to this movie , but Brittany Murphy's death is still like one of those things that is examined Because like there wasn't a lot that came out about like their cause and like the reason , and like I don't know , people still think that like there's conspiracy stuff with stuff with like what really caused her death , um , or it's considered like suspicious , I don't know .

Captain 53:13

Yeah , she was like 32 at the time , um , but yeah , there's like when I'm googling there's like legit articles about it , there's reddit like posts about it , there's podcasts about it , like examining her death . But I'm pretty sure drugs were involved . She looks in this movie .

Wilson 53:39

She looks , yeah , like sunken .

Captain 53:41

Yes , that is a good description , so not great .

Wilson 53:56

Her hair is giving shakira , but like not in a fresh way , no , yeah , I mean , I think part of it must have been makeup . But also , if they didn't have a huge budget , like , yeah , I , she just I feel like she clearly wasn't well during filming this .

Captain 54:06

Probably not . Did you have a rag ? I , like , didn't think about a rag at all when I was watching this .

Wilson 54:12

I did not . I'm going to give myself a moment , but the Rotten Tooth Nope .

Captain 54:19

Oh , Letterboxd .

Wilson 54:20

Letterboxd is 2.3 out of 5 . That's generous , yeah , so I guess I don't know if I super have a razor glass , because no part of the film really jumped out at me , stuck out to me no do you have one ?

Captain 54:43

this is bad . This is bad maybe only because we were like we called it . This is bad . This is bad . Maybe only because we were like we called it was where they started tickling and Becca was like when are you going to start telling your family about me ? I was like oh , so that was probably my razor glass . Okay , yeah , I think . Representation in 2009 .

Wilson 55:03

Okay , yeah , pretty shocking actually , and the fact in 2009, . Okay .

Captain 55:07

Yeah , pretty shocking actually , and the fact that there's layers to it , because she was dating a man that was attempted to murder her , and now she's living her life . Yeah , seeing how things go .

Wilson 55:20

So do you have a poor one out ? Oh ?

Captain 55:28

God , the entire movie . I felt like in the next movie do I feel like I had a porn out ? Um , do I have a porn out in here ? Um , yes , when lucy , or sorry , when alice puts on lucy's lipstick . That's probably sitting in the attic for 10 years . I was like , if you don't put that salmonella pink eye lipstick down , like sharing makeup is like disgusting . Especially you're like it's been sitting in an attic all like for probably years . So that's my

Examining Brittany Murphy's Last Performance

Captain 55:58

, that's my point out for sure um , did you ?

Wilson 56:05

I think mine like . I think it has to do with the ghostly effects on um . What's her face ? Thora's character , lucy lucy , yes uh , these are like regular names , people , you know , yeah , but we're like bopping out all regular names like Becca and Alice , alice , mom , mom , mom , I don't know , I just didn't like the like gimmicky effects on that Like making her look bad .

Captain 56:45

I mean , she like legit looks like sally from the nightmare before christmas . In the one scene where they've like just painted like stitch lines on her , I'm like what ? What's happening ?

Wilson 56:55

yeah , what this ?

Captain 56:57

is .

Wilson 56:57

That would be a really good for halloween yeah I don't know , I mean maybe , maybe it was halloween and they're like just pop in here , makeup's fine .

Captain 57:10

I don't know I don't know , so Would not recommend I gave it a one and a half on Letterboxd .

Wilson 57:18

Honestly , I might do that too , like maybe even a one , depending if I'm like , the mood I'm in when I yeah .

Captain 57:24

The only thing is I usually give ones to movies where I was like not only do I not know what the fuck's going on , but from when I have gathered , I hate it and like at least this one . I was like , okay , I understand the story for them , like I understand what's happening , because we've watched some movies where I'm like what is actually happening , um . So I gave it a one and a half . So yeah , I would probably give it like what was the audience score A 20? .

Wilson 57:49

Yeah , yeah .

Captain 57:52

It's a 20 .

Wilson 57:54

It's a 20 . It's like a 23 .

Captain 57:56

It's like a 23 .

Wilson 57:58

Yeah , you know , maybe you're right , because if I go into the teens that means I'm mad about the movie .

Captain 58:04

Yeah , and I'm not .

Wilson 58:05

I wasn't mad about this one , I just didn't like it . I just didn't like it Would not recommend , so I'm gonna put in your score . You said 20% 23 . Oh , sorry , sorry , sorry . I mean , I guess , percentage-wise , if I'm giving it like a 1 , I'm gonna it like a one , I'm going to do 19 .

Captain 58:32

So you're a little mad .

Wilson 58:33

A little mad . You're like a little mad , you know why ?

Captain 58:36

you're mad , you know why . And we didn't say this , people , because you spent $10 on the movie .

Wilson 58:41

That is true . I'd be mad my only option to watch it in sync with you is my only option to watch it in sync with you , so now I have it forever in iTunes or whatever .

Captain 58:52

Apple TV . Just another gift from the Red Room Podcast . Yup , yup , yup . Oh , next week . Oh , sorry , is that what you were going to say ? Next week , yeah go for it . We're doing T , doing trap , which is 2024 did you say trash no um 2024 ? Yeah , that sounds right yeah , the um m night shamalan , m night shamalan I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on that one .

Captain 59:23

I saw we rated it the same on letterboxd yeah , I have a lot of things that I that's what we're doing next week . Lastly , based on this movie , do you have any advice for me ? Wise words , yes , thank you . I thought that was a really long french fry at first I wish you picked it up .

Wilson 59:52

I wish , um , I , I don't know . I think I guess the advice would have to be somewhere around lucy and david . Like yeah , I don't know what she needs to do . Like , look at the warning signs .

Captain 1:00:07

I don't have anything cute there to say , but like I think you could pull some advice from whatever the fuck don't do .

Wilson 1:00:13

Whatever the fuck becca did you mean not show up for her significant other when she's in a crisis ?

Captain 1:00:21

yes , yes that's good advice . Don't do that yeah .