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The Autopsy of Jane Doe

• Captain & Wilson • Season 8 • Episode 172

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In this episode, we dive deep into the morgue with our review of "The Autopsy of Jane Doe," the 2016 supernatural horror film starring Brian Cox and Emile Hirsch. 

Before tackling this clinical nightmare, we talk about a Cult-O-Rama film event and Sydney Sweeney's controversial bath soap.

The film discussion begins around 13:51.

Captain:

how's it going?

Wilson:

it's going pretty good, going pretty good. Got my trusty donut here again this week.

Captain:

Long time, no see, alright, I still have Florida Seltzies going.

Wilson:

Oh, I did find the name of that drink I was trying to name last week.

Captain:

Swifty Swooshy.

Wilson:

Yeah, so this is the drink that I was talking about, that basically tastes like flat LaCroix.

Captain:

They're going to come for you.

Wilson:

Yeah, lawsuit um, it's called smooth water oh, it sounds bad yeah, also I don't like the. I don't like putting the name water and drinks that have alcohol in them, or like putting it in the title of the drink yeah, that's not a good. I want mine to sound beautiful and fruity well, yeah, and also, but just from like a, I don't want to. I mean, I don't think I would ever accidentally grab that and think it was just water.

Wilson:

They call that the drinks have on them vodka water well, yeah, but if you just see like smooth water, okay, no, no I don't want a vodka water I want a vodka soda I thought you're telling me I was like stupid.

Captain:

Because it says everything about the, everything about the marketing. I don't like yeah it's a very crisp, simple label, like some people like I.

Wilson:

I could see picking that up, but well, I'll tell you, the drink isn't crisp flat. Um well, get ready for a lawsuit, because they are gonna sue so answer me, why smooth water has alcohol in it, but liquid death is just water I'm so over.

Captain:

I I their liquid death thing is just so stupid. I don't know, I don't know. You've seen the Sydney Sweeney's bath soap.

Wilson:

No.

Captain:

Oh.

Wilson:

She sells her. I mean, I guess I'm not surprised.

Captain:

She sells bath soap, but she claims that her own bath water that she bathed in is infused in the soap. She's going to get so many sales from that like, oh yeah, I think it's like constantly sold out, but like you can't even I don't know if I would like, just because she's marketing that way, like you would never be able to test that.

Wilson:

That's true there's like I don't, there's no way that would be like legal how?

Captain:

many baths is this woman taking for her to supply this much soap like?

Wilson:

it's not possible like they wouldn't put contaminated water in something they're selling to people I mean I as long.

Captain:

I mean I don't think it has to be like fda approved or whatever. I mean I kind of feel like like don't amish people make soap out of like lard, like but I think they have different rules.

Wilson:

I just mean, I feel like she probably did something like oh, I take a bath with rose petals or rose water, so this soap has rose water in it because that's my bath. I don't know. Some loose definition I don't know.

Captain:

She says loose definition. I don't know. She says that soap has her bath water in it and it's constantly out of stock. But yeah, you're right. Like she said, she's selling thousands of the soap. I'm like how much bath water could possibly be available to make this soap?

Wilson:

Yeah, whatever People are going to buy it, they're going to fall for it.

Captain:

Right People have All pervs.

Wilson:

Not everyone is going to be a perv who buys it, but I feel like just kind of like creepy people, the people that buy used underwear and stuff.

Captain:

Oh God yeah.

Wilson:

Learned way too much about that. In Orange't just new black. Oh yeah, true, um, all right. So one of the things I wanted to talk about this time was and I I briefly mentioned this to you while I was there but um, last weekend a local theater did like um, so a double feature, and it was a special event called yeah, there's a special event called cultarama, uh, but basically for this one, the theme was uh, well, they're always cult classics. These were horror classics that um were a sequel, so they had oh, that was the theme.

Wilson:

Yeah, so they had six movies, I think, picked out on a wheel and then she spun the wheel before each movie and then you'd find out what you're watching while you're there that's so cool yeah, well, okay, so the first spin, uh, there wasn't a good reaction from the audience or something, I don't know, so she was like all right, I'll spin it one more time, but this isn't happening for the second movie. Um, so the first one is, which is the one I texted you about, is the sequel to Prom Night called Hello Mary Lou, prom Night 2, or something like that.

Captain:

Yeah, I put it on the list, yeah.

Wilson:

That was actually. I thought that was really fun.

Captain:

Definitely way different vibes than the original prom night um this is the one where the like with the, the pictures, the girl screaming with the crown right, like that's the front of the um, you might be thinking of the remake of prom night oh, that's, yeah.

Captain:

Uh, britney snow, that's, that's the one we watched yes, but uh, there was like I think jamie lee curtis was the original prom night oh yeah, I remember we had a conversation about it, like when we found out jamie lee curtis was that we were like damn, why didn't we do that one?

Wilson:

yeah yeah, so did you watch the first one, the jamie lee curtis prom night before uh, I don't think so well, I don't think I've seen it, but I definitely didn't watch it right before this movie, because I didn't know any of the movies that were even an option.

Captain:

Oh, okay, do they tell you that ahead of time, like one of these six, or no?

Wilson:

No, wow. So we're just speculating what sequels they might feature.

Captain:

Wow.

Wilson:

Yeah, so that was good. And then the second one was Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, which was like I feel like it was kind of parading itself or like making fun of itself, but it was, I liked it.

Captain:

I think I might have. What year did that come out?

Wilson:

A long fucking time ago.

Captain:

It's called the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, part 2.

Wilson:

Or 2. I think it's just 2. I don't think it's part.

Captain:

Oh, the one online says Part 2.

Wilson:

Oh, I guess, so I think that sounds right.

Captain:

I mean maybe there's a 2. I don't know.

Wilson:

No, I think. Yeah, I guess it did say Part 2. Yeah, that's the one I watched, looking at the cast.

Captain:

They've made and remade and sequeled this movie a gazillion times, like I don't even know what's happening in that universe?

Wilson:

yeah, I don't know, and I think only one and two have the same, like cast or like same family, whatever okay, well I would recommend it. Fun, yeah, that was cool. And they oh yeah, um, and they do this culturama apparently like every month, um, but it's not always horror movies or sequels how much are tickets for this? Like you don't get to choose anything um, I think it was like 30 bucks.

Captain:

They also gave us cake at the beginning and I guess you get to see two movies for 30.

Wilson:

Yeah, okay and I think it's like cake for oh um, the cake was because it's this event's been happening for two years. It's like it was it's second god, it's a baby, yeah, baby I think it. I think the price is also kind of, you know, paying for the promoter too, because, like she was there, she organized it all you know that stuff yeah um, yeah, that was really cool um.

Captain:

Supposedly there's been nine texas chainsaw movies you mean like not?

Wilson:

yeah, does that include like a remake. Yes, that includes all of them.

Captain:

There was the first one, two, three but three is done with Roman numerals and then the return of Texas Chainsaw, and then the Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot, and then I guess there was a prequel because it's called the Beginning.

Wilson:

Okay.

Captain:

And then 3Dd of course we have to have a 3d leather face, and then I guess they rebooted it again in 2022. I kind of vaguely remember that uh, I didn't.

Wilson:

I was excited for it had um lc fisher in it um but I did not watch it because I heard it was terrible yeah, sounds about right.

Captain:

What's this?

Wilson:

l-p-o-l-t-o oh, uh, yeah, I didn't want to give it away. Actually, it's not that exciting. That hypes it up, um. So today, while I was on like a long drive, I uh looked at my like saved podcasts and maybe you told me about this. I couldn't remember, um, but I watched, or I listened to my first episode of Last Podcast on the left. Do you listen to that?

Captain:

I don't think so actually.

Wilson:

Oh.

Captain:

Is it a comedy podcast?

Wilson:

I mean they are funny. So I guess it's a comedy podcast, but I don't know. Honestly, I don't know what the theme of the podcast is, but this episode is very good. It was on the bubonic plague so they like with jokes like broke down the whole history and it's like a four-part series. But I listened to the first episode. It was really good and I was like I couldn't remember if you recommended it or not.

Captain:

Because I know you have. I don't think so. It says that they cover all horrors our world has to offer, both imagined and real.

Wilson:

it says Okay, well, that tracks with the theme of the episode.

Captain:

I mean, they look good, Like this looks good.

Wilson:

They like, at least for this one, when they tell the history, the history they also. They're like riffing off of each other and like just making up jokes it sounds good.

Captain:

I put it on my eye. I'll follow it. I've been listening to um it was pretty popular but um that uh true crime show about uh that lady that like pretended to be a war veteran and she like basically like scammed a bunch of like veteran affairs and like um, she like scammed a bunch of uh money out of like like organizations that are specifically to support veterans.

Wilson:

I didn't know anything about that oh yeah, it was.

Captain:

It was pretty good. I can't remember the girls. The lady's name is sarah kavanaugh she's in jail currently, but, um, the podcast about her is pretty good did they?

Wilson:

did she pretend to be someone else like? I'm confused how?

Captain:

because they like she worked as, I think, a social worker for veterans affairs and then through that she like went. She basically like her story is she went to an event one time that was like for veterans and everyone just assumed she was a veteran so that they treated her really well and she like didn't tell them that was not the truth and then it just snowballed from there because then she like they like invited her to stuff and then she just, like you know, dove into the lie basically. But honestly, her story makes doesn't make like you can tell.

Captain:

She's like kind of shy a little okay at least in my opinion, she swears that she's not, but, um, I can't remember what the podcast is called, but, um, I think it's called the truth or deep cover or something like that. Um, but it's still going. They're still they've the main story is over, but they are releasing a few episodes about, like, some of the stories they didn't include. Like they interviewed a bunch of people about her, um, and some of those interviews they didn't include in the original story that they're like still releasing. Oh, deep cut, I think it's called. Yeah, deep cover, yeah, she's, you know, said she was never in a single war, she was not in a military position in any way, that sounds kind of interesting.

Captain:

Yeah, I'd recommend. Deep cover is what it's called, but that's what I mostly recently listened to. I dog walk a lot, so I need to find things to listen to while I'm dog walking. Um, anyway, the podcast sounds good, I'll get to listen. What are you looking at?

Wilson:

uh, I was just. I got caught in that rabbit hole of the sarah kavanaugh's. I'll have to. I'll have to read into that later or listen to the podcast. Um yeah, but that's all I got. That's all I got.

Captain:

That sounds good.

Wilson:

Yep, see you next week.

Captain:

Hey, okay, hit me, Hit me, hit me with it All right, all right, oh wait.

Wilson:

So what do you? You said you're having a, oh yeah, your floor seltzer. Untitled. Artista floreta selt stuff l'artiste else, or yeah, nice.

Captain:

Speaking of flat water, well, in this case I'm drinking lacroix. So it's the. Oh, it's at least carbonated. I thought you pulled one out or something.

Wilson:

No, I was like, please don't nope, nope, um, all right, so let's, uh, let's, hop in. So welcome to the 172nd episode of the red rum podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two.

Captain:

And I'm Captain.

Wilson:

And I'm Wilson, and this week we're reviewing the 2016 supernatural horror film the Autopsy of Jane Doe. I feel like I heard a lot about this movie and it took me a while to actually watch it.

Captain:

Yeah, I actually didn't see a lot of hype about it. It took me a while to actually watch it. Yeah, I actually didn't see a lot of hype about it before I watched it, because I originally watched this, I want to say like two or three years ago. But after I watched it and I looked it up, I was like oh, this movie is hyped up online and like I understand.

Wilson:

So it always the, just the um, how it's stylized or the writing always makes me think of um the exorcism of emily rose, probably because it's like it's stylized or the writing always makes me think of the exorcism of Emily Rose. Probably because it's like it's the title. Noun of name or whatever.

Captain:

I don't necessarily love titles like that, but it does work for this movie. I don't know what else you could possibly title this.

Wilson:

Jane Doe's Autopsy Wow.

Captain:

Walked right into that one sure did alright.

Wilson:

So let's see. This was directed by Andre Overdahl, I'm gonna say so. He did Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. I like that movie a lot and mostly known for the Trollhunters movie. And is it a TV show Trollhunters movie? And is a TV show Trollhunters?

Captain:

I believe. So I want to say this guy's Norwegian.

Wilson:

I feel like with the O and his name I'm like that sounds right.

Captain:

I'm pretty sure. I just looked into the movie. What is his, andre?

Wilson:

Andre.

Captain:

Oh, the River Doll. Yeah, he's Norwegian. The Norwegian film the Trollhunters is a Norwegian film.

Wilson:

You know what that makes me think I've maybe seen Trollhunter.

Captain:

What Is it? Found footage.

Wilson:

It says students' footage was discovered and compiled into a movie um, I searched it and I actually came up with a dreamworks tv show. Um, hold on, I can't, why is this not coming up? But?

Captain:

if you saw it, is it, wouldn't it be in norwegian, like it wouldn't be in english?

Wilson:

I think it was dubbed. I mean kel wait, yeah, kelsey grammar's in there, anton yelkin like you've seen this movie well, there, I was just reading the cast but like does that sound familiar um I think, so I'm trying to look at like screen grabs. I don't remember seeing the giant troll. I don't remember seeing the giant troll.

Captain:

I think, okay, that is the cover.

Wilson:

I either saw it or I got really close to seeing it.

Captain:

There are. I agree with you that there are a few movies where I've watched the trailer for that movie like not exaggerating probably six times, and then I'm like, oh man, did I watch this movie?

Captain:

And I'm like I don't think I did, I just keep watching the trailer yeah um, but yeah, it says a group of students investigates a series of mysterious bear killings, but they learn that there's much more dangerous things going on in the woods. So it's like a found footage, troll scary troll movie. You know it's funny, we have that troll month coming up next season, but that would, but it would be more than two movies.

Wilson:

Troll summer.

Captain:

Oh my God, You've heard of hot girl summer yeah there we go. It's time for troll summer. I wouldn't want to watch it if it wasn't dubbed though. I can't sit there and read subtitles.

Wilson:

Yeah well, I can sometimes. I have to be the mood like, yeah, I need to sign up for it. Um so the movie I was thinking of was actually that nazi, or um I don't know, I zombie no, that was a tv show you make me think of the lincoln lincoln vampire slayer. That's what I'm oh no, okay, the movie I was thinking of is called Dead Snow, so it didn't have a cheesy name, but I still think I might have seen Droll Hunter.

Captain:

Well, it says it's dubbable. It is dubbed in English, so maybe you did.

Wilson:

So you don't watch any subtitled movies.

Captain:

I mean it has to be really worth it. I did Narcos right. I watched Narcos right there, like I watched narcos right.

Wilson:

There's a lot of subtitles in there sure, okay um, but that's probably like the most subtitles I ever did fine like I won't watch anime unless it's dubbed, I won't, I refuse I mean I guess, yeah, I mean don't blame me for that, but um, yeah, I don't know, it's tough I'm losing.

Captain:

I'm losing a whole part of cinema. Is that what you're saying?

Wilson:

um, well, okay. So the last two, two or three years where we watched all of the oscar noms in each, like each year, there were a couple dubbed movies that were actually really good or not. Sorry they weren't dubbed, that was subtitled right, right, right.

Captain:

Which ones are they for oscar knobs? Um, yeah no, which one? Which ones?

Wilson:

um well, two years ago, anatomy of a fall was really good um this year this year. Oh sorry, it was something about a.

Captain:

They think the wife murdered the husband that's the title of the movie Trollhunters has really good reviews oh, that is pretty good yeah, we might put this on the list it might be a troll summer we could do that um all right, sorry, continue um, yeah, so that's the director so we go in the cast um.

Wilson:

So there's four, four main people. Emile hirsch plays austin tilden um. He was in once upon a time in hollywood as jay sebring why does?

Captain:

emile hirsch sound so familiar I mean you just watched him in the autopsy of jane yeah, last year.

Wilson:

Um, I just think I feel like I'm thinking of him from something else, but whatever, oh, uh, yep, no, I don't know. Anyway, that brings us to Brian Cox. He plays Tommy Tilden. Um, he's in Braveheart Born Series, trick or Treat. He was in he's Logan Roy in succession.

Captain:

I don't know if you can hear it my dog's squeaking a toy like crazy. Right now I can't hear anything.

Wilson:

Okay, now I can't hear anything. Okay, well, at least zoom can't. Okay, um, and then, uh, he's also in x-men 2, which is a wonderful movie.

Captain:

He's mostly known for succession. I don't remember trick or treat because we watched it 200 movies ago, but, um, we, we probably should give it a re-watch. Like we probably like episode 200, we should like redo our first.

Wilson:

Yes yeah, I was just thinking like, if we get to like 200 or or 10 years, um, we should at least do redo the first episode, because we were. We were babies how much I see trick-or-treat pop up somewhere in pop culture, I'm like I don't understand. What did I miss from that movie?

Captain:

yeah, I, I don't remember it being anything crazy. Like I feel like donnie darko, like it almost has the same hype as that movie and at least donnie darko, like I've looked into and I'm like all right, people are like kind of crazy, but at least I can understand a little bit. But like trick-or-treat, I was like I remember this being a very normal what like whatever movie I don't, I don't know maybe for our first episode we just like we couldn't just say, oh yeah, it was really good.

Captain:

Maybe we just like tore it apart because we felt like we needed I just don't think we did a lot of like now, now that I'm like a professional, Like I was. Just you know, it's like your first day on the job, it's like you're not going to know what you're doing. Yeah, that's what I feel like, that's all.

Wilson:

Okay, well, point being, we'll give it another watch.

Captain:

Give it a guy.

Wilson:

Give it a guy, all right. Then we have Ophelia Lovabond as Emma Roberts. Oh, okay, for a second. I thought those were flipped, so she was in Thor yeah she plays some character in Thor, multiple Thor movies.

Captain:

I think Karina is somebody that lives in Asgard.

Wilson:

Probably. That sounds very.

Captain:

Asgard Probably that sounds very Asgard-y. Yeah, she's a Marvel character.

Wilson:

I do see a Karina in. Oh, interesting Is this the same character. This person is not in the movies that you have listed so I feel like I'm looking at a different karina really wait, no, I had my years wrong. Hold on a second. What am I not understanding here? Oh, nope, that's her. Okay, she's not a nas guardian oh, who is she? She's a purple girl that explodes.

Captain:

Of course.

Wilson:

I'm pretty sure she dies.

Captain:

Well, I didn't realize. I made these notes a long time ago. I didn't realize the sheriff, I recognize him.

Wilson:

The sheriff.

Captain:

Sorry, the last character on your list. Oh, oh, oh.

Wilson:

Sorry, I moved Michael McElhatton as Sheriff Sheldon Burke Roose Bolton in Game of Thrones.

Captain:

Oh I didn't see his face. Ramsey's dad, You'll recognize him. Yeah, so, like you said, we have four main characters. We have the what do you call that Mortician? And his son. Is that not a mortician?

Wilson:

No, I fucking.

Captain:

Why isn't it in here, Like it doesn't have their job titles?

Wilson:

What is that name?

Captain:

Forensic pathologist.

Wilson:

Yes, yes, is that it? Yeah, I don't exactly know the difference between forensic and just a regular pathologist, but yes, okay.

Captain:

Well, anyway, it's brand cox doing that and his son, which I guess is going to get into the family business. Um, the son has a girlfriend. Is is ophelia that ophelia is not the girlfriend. I feel like it's the body, or?

Wilson:

oh, is she the body I actually don't know.

Captain:

Isn't that a hoot?

Wilson:

who the hell? Oh, wait well I guess, I guess. Um no, the girl has a name. And well, jane doe means she does not have a name, and we know ophelia's name is emma roberts, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so the girlfriend of the kid of austin.

Captain:

And then, yes, there's a sheriff. Um, so those are our four main characters. Yes, I think that there was a real actress or a person, a real person, that played the corpse, but I think that there was a real actress or a person, a real person, that played the corpse.

Wilson:

but I think that makes sense, cause, like I don't yeah, I um, I don't remember it looking fake or like you know, overly cheesy.

Captain:

It doesn't. It looks pretty real, but anyway, you can continue. Okay, so um sorry, I already found the.

Wilson:

It's a model who plays the corpse owen kelly owen kelly owen oh, okay she's irish all right. So, speaking of this model, so speaking of this model, there is the corpse of an unidentified young woman, and they find it at the scene of a homicide, a multiple homicide.

Captain:

Mm-hmm, there's really gruesome, really gruesome, like it's very bloody there.

Wilson:

And so.

Captain:

But yes, they find a woman buried in the basement and she's inexplicably dead, but it's like there's no obvious sign. She's like buried in like two feet of dirt in the basement.

Captain:

So they take the body she ends up and this is the word I think we were really looking for to the coroner Coroner, I don't think we were wrong with a pathologist, but yeah, but a forensic pathologist like works in criminal justice and like that brian cox says multiple times, like we are purely here just to find cause of death and I think a coroner can be like more of a family business versus like forensic pathologist I, I don't, I just I mean this feels like a probably more accurate hops conversation, but yeah, the hops.

Captain:

Um, I can I just say when brian cox came on on the screen I barely recognized him because he like wasn't so like grouchy and yelly that I like didn't recognize it's actually like a sweet dad yeah for the most part, and I was like, oh, this is so weird um. Can I just say I'm on olwyn kelly's um instagram and she really is that body like she's like pale and deathly looking yeah well, she just has the same face and the same gap teeth and everything.

Captain:

I'm like that's like pale and deathly looking. Yeah well, she just has the same face and the same gap teeth and everything.

Wilson:

I'm like that's really her I don't honestly remember what jane doe looks like and she, like, has a life with, like a kid and a dog well, good for her. I wonder if her kid knows that she played a pedest, pedest, whatever you know, all right. So to pade, pade, pade, whatever you know, all right. So, anyway, this coroner is mentoring his son, austin, and basically the movie starts from here with, like, austin is postponing his date with his girlfriend so that he can help his dad with this new unidentified body that came in.

Captain:

Yeah, that rolled in. Yeah, his girlfriend does briefly come down there and I hate how she's acting because she's like, oh, I want to see your job and I want to see a dead body, and I'm like, girl, what um? And she even like pull, like she even pulls one out of the um chiller and she's like about to touch one. She's about to uncover the blanket of one of them with her bare hands. I'm like you nasty hoe, um, but she doesn't, because brian cox like plays a trick on her he rings the toe bell of one of the corpses. So they talk about that. How, in the olden days, it was hard to tell if someone was comatose or dead, so they used to put a bell on their toes, which I'm pretty sure that is real, like that was something that happened. Um, there's like a whole um. I haven't been there, but there's like a whole cemetery that like does tours and I think new orleans. That talks about that like they have.

Captain:

They still have corpses with bells, um, but anyway, yeah. So he explains that and she goes well, why would you still have these on? And he just says that he's a, he's a um, what does he call himself? He says, like he really appreciates, like the old ways he's an old timey fellow. Yeah, he respects the old way that coroners used to do things.

Wilson:

So he doesn't mind if people are actually buried alive. He wants to go back to those times.

Captain:

I think he's just saying that. I think she was saying you don't need the toe bells anymore and he said it's just you know old coroner practice to put the toe bells anymore. And he said it's just you know old corner practice with the toe bells on, so he still does.

Wilson:

Well, she sounds super annoying she does, she was.

Captain:

But she was very chill about austin blowing her off. I mean, at first she wasn't, um, but then she kind of was like she laughed and I was like, okay, I wouldn't be. But fine, um, but you should back up. The often is really, uh, supporting his father because their his mom died two years ago. So he feels like he has to support his dad or be close to him because he doesn't really have anything else left, um, so that's why he's like choosing to spend time with his dad so they start to then take a look at the body and start figuring out the um, like how she died and they noticed some weird inconsistencies yeah, they, they.

Captain:

The sheriff tells them you need to do this tonight, like right now, even though it's I don't know 10 pm or something. But he was like it was a big crime scene, there's four dead bodies, and like I need to have something to tell people, to tell the press, by tomorrow morning. So but yes, there's like most outward signs, like there's not a lot going on there, like there's no obvious signs that she's why she would be dead.

Wilson:

Right, but they, like he, does take a look at her eyes. So they said the veins like there's a lot of blood, I guess like bloody veins in her eyes, which would indicate that she had died more recently. However, her eyes are really cloudy, which means she would have been dead for several days. So, some things don't really line up there.

Captain:

Yeah, they find out that she like. So her wrists and her ankles are fractured but there's no bruising, which doesn't make any sense. She's got a bunch of peat underneath her nails and in her hair and stuff which is like special dirt. It's not dirt that would be found here, it's dirt that we found up north, they say. And then his, her tongue is severed off like cut um, and she's got a tooth missing. So with all those pieces, brian cox's first thought is human trafficking. But um, that doesn't necessarily pan out. There are, there, are, there is vaginal trauma, he said too, um, but her lungs are also black.

Wilson:

Yeah, as they do.

Captain:

The internal investigation. Things get weird, yeah with the lungs yeah.

Wilson:

so they say like the lungs are black, as though she had third-degree burns. A lot of her organs show several scabbing from stabs, and then in her stomach they found this paralyzing agent that's native to New England.

Captain:

Yeah, gemstone weed is actually a real thing. They bring it up in the movie and it actually a real thing, like they they bring up in the movie and it and it is. It is a real thing that I looked up like it does cause, like it is toxic and it does like cause hallucinogen halluc how hallucinations, jesus, I couldn't map that word. Um, and it is like, yeah, apparently it does grow all throughout north america and it's like not a controlled substance or anything, but like it could potentially kill you, which is kind of crazy huh yeah I mean, I'm assuming I've seen this before.

Wilson:

I don't I don't know I recognize it right away, but I like the scene so I like in this scene.

Captain:

so, yeah, they cut her open and she's really bloody, like you said, but all the things inside don't make any sense and I like this scene. So I like in this scene. So yeah, they cut her open and she's really bloody, like you said, but all the things inside don't make any sense. And I like this scene that Brian Cox is saying, where the lungs being so black, he would be like I would expect to see this in a house where she like burned to death, but like her skin doesn't have any burns on it. And he said it would be like finding a bullet in a brain but there's no gunshot wound.

Captain:

and I was like, oh, it's good analogy yeah, um, and then when he said that I was, I couldn't find the episode that I was thinking of and I know you're not a law and order fan, but I remember watching this episode of suu one time when there was like a kid that had a bullet wound that came up in something. Uh, came up for some reason. Anyway, they like couldn't figure out why he had a bullet in him, or I think he had a bullet in him, but there was no bullet wound, something like that. Anyway, it came came to find out that he was shot in the womb and that's why he had a bullet, but like he didn't really have a bullet wound. And I was like oh.

Captain:

I remember thinking about that episode because I was like, well, that was kind of crazy, but I couldn't find the episode when I Googled it.

Wilson:

Oh, that does sound kind of cool, though, but that sounds like an episode of one of those types of shows.

Captain:

It definitely does. But anyway, then you get the, you get the in this movie, you get the radio with the storms coming right. So they have these like storms coming on the spooky radio and you hear like women's screams in and out on the radio and then they play like the creepy songs and then you get the the unfortunate the cat death, which I remember it in the movie but rewatching it I was like this was a lot worse than I remember.

Wilson:

So I don't know. If you remember, I guess I blocked it out, I don't remember.

Captain:

The cat is found mortally wounded in the vent, but it's still alive, so it's suffering. It's really sad. And then brian cox like snaps his neck to like end the suffering. But brian cox says, like this is the last thing I had of my wife, like I was keeping this cat because it was hers um yeah, and they have like a five or maybe not five.

Captain:

They have like a two minute memorial of like saying goodbye and burning the body. I honestly skipped through it a little because I was like I can't watch this right now. Yeah.

Wilson:

I, I, yeah, I don't, I really don't remember it. Yeah.

Captain:

But I would have probably wanted to skip it. Yeah, it's probably good you blocked it out.

Wilson:

So I think also they start like seeing people standing in the like the hallways of the morgue, yeah, but I think he kind of thinks he's just seeing things, but anyway.

Captain:

So they're like they're continuing the autopsy and he finds the woman's missing tooth wrapped in a piece of cloth in her stomach and on the cloth are Roman numerals and like a weird diagram yeah, and that's when austin says like what if this is like a weird human sacrifice thing? Um, because, like what else would this be? Um, but brian cox says, like you know, basically, if this is how you're killing somebody, like the only reason you're doing it this way is to like make it hurt, like this is not, this was like we wanted her to suffer.

Wilson:

Basically, um, so yes, and then they finally cut her open and they I don't know if you got to that part where they see the tattoos on the inside- um, oh no, I hadn't gotten to that part yet, so like it's similar to like the cloth that they saw on her, there's like symbols on the inside of her skin yeah, she's like tattooed up, but on the inside and again, yeah, it has like this weird numeric roman numerals everywhere.

Captain:

And at this point I think brian so austin is already freaked out, like he's already like we should not be here, we should leave um, brian cox is kind of ignoring him, um, but at this point I think he understands, like, okay, I don't understand what the fuck is going on, um, and at this point, freezer door more like the chiller doors creak open um, and the power flickers and then like literally all the glass in the whole building like shatters, like all the lights above them shatter and the power goes out.

Wilson:

And brian cox, finally, is like okay, let's get the fuck out of here yes, um, but they do find out that, like, while they're trying to leave, the elevator is not working, of course, um, and then a tree is blocked during the exit don't forget, they get actually like chased into they.

Captain:

They barricade themselves in the office because, um, there's like something chasing them and they don't really know. It looks like a corpse that's following them and chasing them. But when they get inside the office, they barricade themselves in and something is ramshackling the door. Alistair actually looks underneath the door and sees a morgue foot. A morgue foot, a dead body with a bell on it. It was a pretty good scene.

Wilson:

Wait, so he does what you set the bells on his foot, yeah he looks underneath the door to see what's there. Oh, oh.

Captain:

And it's a dead foot with a bell on it, yeah, and they're freaked out. Oh, the reason why they even try to run to the office is to use the landline, because they don't have any cell service. But the landline doesn't work well.

Wilson:

Of course, and this is, I think, around where they're also figuring out they cannot get out. Yeah, yeah, they go to the elevator and they can't really get out yeah, so eventually they return to the autopsy room because they want to look at the corpse again yeah, I think basically um oh, does this does it not talk about?

Captain:

Does it talk about the girlfriend coming back, or is that not here yet?

Wilson:

I don't see it here yet.

Captain:

Oh, okay.

Wilson:

Oh wait, at the end of this paragraph. Oh, okay, so they go back to the?

Captain:

Yeah, so I just wanted to mention that when they the reason why they go back to the corpse. I just wanted to mention that when they the reason why they go back to the corpse is because I think Austin says something along the lines of, like we got to figure out what is happening here, because if we can figure out what happened, then maybe we can stop this weird superficial, supernatural thing from happening.

Wilson:

Yeah, so when they get back into the autopsy room, the door does lock itself and he hacks at the door with an emergency ax.

Captain:

Yeah, it's very shining. Yes, it's shining.

Wilson:

So when they look through the opening that he just made in the door, they see one of the missing corpses, like in the hallway. Um, so also during this time they can't get to the cremation furnace oh, that's right, they were gonna burn the body.

Wilson:

That's how they were gonna like settle it, yeah yeah, so they do set the corpse on fire um it within the autopsy room, um, you know. The fire then spreads and tommy ends up putting it out with a fire extinguisher. But when he does that, they find out that the body is not burned at all. It's like untouched by the fire unburned.

Captain:

I actually wanted to look and how, how they did that special effect, because it was. I mean, it really looks like she's burning and then like, like it looks like there's fire on her, but like, as it's essentially like her body would be like one of those like, um, fancy, like stone fire pits, like the like the long vertical ones that they have in, like nice hotels.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

Like but like she's just yeah, she's just unburned on her, above her, and I was like, how did they do that?

Wilson:

models just models all right, so at this point they get out of there. Well, these that room, um, and the elevator does reactivate and they try again to escape, but the doors, the elevator, won't close, um, so at this point tommy's freaked out. He's using the axe that he'd gotten earlier against what he believes is one of the animated courses yep but when they exit the elevator they find out he actually killed his girlfriend, who has returned to meet him. Yeah, austin's girlfriend.

Captain:

Yeah yeah, the brian cox is the one that axes her, but it's, it's the son's girlfriend. Yeah, yeah, the brian cox is the one that axes her, but it's, it's the son's girlfriend. Yeah, and to be fair to both of them, like it, they saw the corpse like it was the guy with the gunshot wound to his face where, like, his whole face was blown off, like that's that. They saw it in the hallway. So you know, it's not like you know they didn't try to kill her yeah, yeah, it's not like they were, like you know, tired of her.

Wilson:

I mean maybe he was just tired of her, like it's like I didn't like that joke earlier with the bodies and brian cox does give a little story about the mom.

Captain:

Like we get the backstory of the mom being that, finding out that she was suicidal, and he kind of says something about how, like I know I should have been more tuned in and seeing the signs that she was dealing with stuff on her own and like that's my fault that she.

Captain:

I don't really agree with him, but he was like that's my fault that she's dead and this is my fault too, and like you're the one paying the price for all of my mistakes. So I think the first time they go to the corpse they were just going to burn the body because that way they were like you know, we'll settle it. But the second time, this is when Austin says maybe if we can find out answers to her death and we can figure out, you know what's going on, then we can survive tonight. But he said if we stay here trapped in the elevator, we're not going to survive tonight. But he said if we stay here trapped in the elevator, we're not gonna survive. And I was like, okay, I agree with that. I mean he can't just sit there all night yeah.

Wilson:

So at this point they reason that it it has to be jane doe preventing them from discovering like somehow she's actively preventing them from discovering the cause of death.

Captain:

Yeah.

Wilson:

So they go back to the examination room. They do find out that her brain, her neurons are active, meaning that she is biologically alive.

Captain:

Yeah.

Wilson:

So, upon looking at her a little more, at least the cloth that was in her stomach, um, it refers to markings, or the markings, and it referred to leviticus 2027, um, which condemns witches. Uh, and the year is 1960, sorry, 1693, uh, which was the date of the salem um witch trials yeah, it says, um, I did look up.

Captain:

Yeah, it says um, I did look up leviticus 2027 the one that they use in the movie is a little, the wording's a little off, but in the real one, like it says, it mandates the death of penalty to anyone male or female who acts as a medium or spirit spiritualist, stating they should be stoned. So basically, the fact that she has, like, um, this peat underneath her nails that would be up in new england. The fact that she, um her body has markings on it like she would be wearing a 17th century corset, um, and that she was tortured and she's like a young woman they were like, they're like, oh, she's a witch yeah, um, and they say I guess how does this come up?

Wilson:

but they say by burning the witch. That means they turned an innocent, or like they accidentally turned an innocent woman to a witch brian cox.

Captain:

So when, when austin brings up the witches, brian cox is, like, vehemently, like there were no witches, like these were young children, young girls who were playing in the woods and, like you know, the hysteria got to the, to Salem and, like you know, there's no such thing. Like he's, he's very, you know, adamant about that. And then he basically has this thought process of like, ok, well, what if the ritual to killing a witch actually like created the very thing they were trying to destroy, because, like, she's been, you know, rigorously tortured and suffered a lot through this process, because, you know, they find all these terrible things that have happened to her and all these scars and all these wounds, but they were saying that, like now she's trying to avenge all these terrible things that happened to her, so that basically has made her the evil thing that they were trying to kill and so like now she's, now she's evil and like causing murdering people and causing chaos, basically, yeah, so that's how it comes up I'm curious.

Wilson:

Supposing that's true, I want to know the story behind the massacre scene that she was at.

Captain:

In the very beginning.

Wilson:

Yeah.

Captain:

I mean, you don't get to see a lot. I think it was a husband and wife and a child that lived there and they were all like we just know. They were all brutally murdered in the house. Oh, there is one thing a cop says they say nothing was stolen, it doesn't look like a burglary and actually there's like no markings on the outside of the house, like it doesn't look like someone broke in. She said if anything, there are scratches on the inside of the house that look like they were trying to get out.

Wilson:

You know what my guess is going to be? That this family was in the basement or whatever, dug up bones or remains and then you know she witch, killed them, but similar to what is happening to Brian Cox's character, like their dying is giving her energy, so like it turned her like bones to flesh. I don't know. I'm just like why is she half buried in the dirt like that? Yeah?

Captain:

she was like yeah, she was like half uncovered. Um, I guess we should say that, like throughout this, throughout these scenes, brian cox is getting like beaten up by wispies like we don't really know what's like, but he has like burns on the inside of him that you can like see from the outside and he's got like injuries, um, that are happening to him. As all of this is, as the scenes go on of them being like barricading in the office and moving around the the coroner's building yeah, so um she's doing her like witch shit and that brian cox basically says she, we're just another torture to her tonight.

Captain:

Because if she can feel, if she, if her brain's alive and she can feel us like cutting her open and you know, ripping up, you know, whatever everything they've done to her as a corner, then like we're just another torture in her path. So, um, he basically like realizes that you know they're, they're on the list yeah, but I'm just like can she not ever get up and walk?

Wilson:

like does she just exist as a corpse and that's what she likes?

Captain:

as far as we've seen, that's all she does is exist as a corpse. But my question really is like when does the? How much avenging is good?

Wilson:

maybe she was like straight up chilling before she ended up at, uh, the coroner's office and then she just got pissed that she's being tortured I mean something happened at the house that she got murdered, or that that the movie starts at yeah, maybe she's chilling on the ground. She's like I live here now and they dug her up and she's like fuck you but, um, all right.

Wilson:

so basically, at this point, tommy the dad sacrifices himself to spare Austin, and this is where we see like he starts getting wounds, more wounds that mimic Jane Doe's.

Captain:

Yeah, he gets all the broken, all the fractures and then you see her ankles and wrists like unfracture and you see that the Y cut that they make in her like heals itself. But this is really brutal for Austin, like he's watching his dad die miserably. His mom died by suicide a year ago. His girlfriend died earlier this night. His pet cat slashed his mom's cat. I'm like austin's losing everything like that would be awful yeah.

Wilson:

So at this point, uh, tommy reaches for a knife to cut his own tongue and complete the ritual, but instead austin stabs his father in the chest to end his misery I didn't know that that's what he was trying to do, like cut his tongue off. That it's not clear in the movie yeah, I think at least how it describes it is that he was like sacrificing himself, so he's like helping them.

Captain:

Oh, he has to do all Okay, all of them Okay.

Wilson:

So and then, right here, austin believes he hears the sheriff outside, but as he gets closer he realizes the voice is just another hallucination. But, as he gets closer he realizes the voice is just another hallucination. And so just then he sees Tommy's corpse, or a vision of it, and it freaks Austin out. So he trips over the railing and falls to his death.

Captain:

Yeah, brian Cox's body is used as a jump scare and then Austin tumbles over the railing and then he lands on something sharp. And yeah, he, like Austin, tumbles over the railing and then he lands on something sharp and yeah, he also dies, which, honestly, I'm like this would be a hard trauma night for Austin to survive. So, maybe this is better. Yeah, yeah, maybe it is Maybe this is better.

Wilson:

So the police arrive the next morning and confused because obviously they just ran into another inexplicable crime scene. The corpse again shows no sign of trauma and it's taken to Virginia's Commonwealth University.

Captain:

The sheriff makes a comment that he says, get this corpse out of my county, which it's not really clear that she's the one doing this, but I don't know.

Wilson:

For some reason he feels weird about it. So, yes, um, and then so, while the body's in transit, the radio spontaneously turns on and you see the torch, the corpse's toe twitch. But like I'm just curious, like, at what point is she trying to kill people so that she gets her health back? Like we saw color go in her eyes.

Captain:

Yeah, but in the back of the van her eyes are grayed out again, so I'm confused.

Wilson:

Maybe because.

Captain:

Brian Cox didn't complete the ritual. Maybe I don't know, but it's just not clear. But when I'm watching the movie it's annoying, but it's not annoying enough to feel bad about it Because the movie it's like annoying, but it's not like annoying enough to be feel like bad about it because the movie's pretty good yeah um, but yeah, there's just some clerical things that like I don't understand I think I love the concept of this movie so much and I want more.

Wilson:

Like I, I have all these questions about the backstory or how the witch works, and I want them answered, so I'm just angry from that perspective.

Captain:

Yeah, I understand that, but I think they might have left it. I mean, they've never done another one, but I feel like they kind of left it that way with the thought that maybe they could do a second one.

Wilson:

I hope they do.

Captain:

Which I would watch.

Wilson:

I wouldn't be surprised if they like have or like there's just like a shitty.

Captain:

A loose yeah Something.

Wilson:

Another Lucy goose.

Captain:

So how we feel, or what you got, or what I got?

Wilson:

um well, I can give you some, some hot goose and some num nums I'll take them. Uh, say less, say less uh all right, so 86 um audience, or is?

Captain:

that critic? No, that's critic. Yeah, okay, yeah that's pretty good.

Wilson:

86 critic 77 audience. Um had a budget about 4 million. Only made 6 million though, so like it didn't do that well yeah, money-wise it didn't, but I that might be like.

Captain:

I don't think I've ever seen this movie advertised. I just found it on streaming one day.

Wilson:

Yeah, it's just word of mouth.

Captain:

Yeah, but the guy that did it, the Trollhunters movie that he did, I think that movie did super, super well.

Wilson:

So I don't think he was in this movie necessarily for the money I you know I don't see any mention of even discussing a sequel um. Stephen king has expressed that he likes it yeah uh, but yeah, that's okay. Yeah, it's all for the num-nums, so we'll bop into some hot goss. I think this is kind of along with what you're saying, sort of. But with the director coming off the success of Trollhunter, he wanted to prove something, but specifically that he could do more than found footage style films I appreciate that, yes I mean, found footage has their play, like, has its place, but I think to a degree we've had enough.

Wilson:

We've had enough there's so many um also, uh, premiered at the toronto international film festival. Um, when they were assessing damage during a um alone action in that main autopsy lab and you had mentioned this while we were talking about it um, at least part of it. But the camera pans from the shower stall immediately to a close-up of a whole axe through the door, focusing on the character's eye. You know looking through it. So this is like a callback to Psycho and the Shining, and you had mentioned the Shining one.

Captain:

I mean when you're watching it. It really does give that like Austin's hammering that door with that axe.

Wilson:

Yup, and then at the end of the special thanks section in the credits, the last entry is a single word Troll.

Captain:

Yeah, he's really into the troll thing, but I actually did check and that is real, like I saw it. But I actually did check and that is real, like I saw it. I'm going to send you a picture of one of the special effects or behind the scene pictures they took of this movie, cause I guess they did a lot of prosthetic pieces for the scenes in which they knew that they would be destroyed, but they did use that model as the main person for this. So I'm guessing that's how they kind of did the fire.

Wilson:

Some more trivia I thought was interesting. The director said that that model Olwen had the most difficult role in the film and he credited her with making everyone else comfortable on set.

Captain:

Oh, because she just had to lay there for hours.

Wilson:

I guess. So yeah, and also part of the reason why she was selected for that part was her knowledge of yoga, because they needed her to be able to control her body and breathing really well.

Captain:

Wow Interessante.

Wilson:

Mm-hmm.

Captain:

Yeah, this movie has been deemed as like a really good special effects movie. I'm seeing online Like people really really give it to them for how well they did this movie and I agree Like it's. I mean, nothing looks cheesy, Nothing looks like 80s style.

Wilson:

They did a really good job. There's a I was reading some more about um the model and they said, basically she spent eight hours a day for five weeks lying naked on that autopsy table and she had like she had asked her, she said, um, she had spent a lot of time thinking how am I going to be nude and still in what will probably be a room full of men, um, so she had to spend a lot of time like kind of thinking how she would do that. But they do say her time as a model like the background experience with that has helped her like cope with it at the time dude.

Captain:

There's like a scene where brian cox is like examining the vaginal trauma.

Wilson:

Like that would be so awkward I feel like they would have had to put like a prosthetic or something yeah yeah, it's like.

Captain:

I mean he's not like. I mean it's not like knees up, like he's not like in there like a gynecologist, but he's definitely like puts a flashlight in there and like fingers. I don't know. It would be so weird, he's so weird, so I understand why she would have the hardest job I think this one piece is pretty cool.

Wilson:

So he, this movie exists because of the Conjuring, because the director saw a showing of it and was like I need a good horror script. And yeah, he did this movie.

Captain:

I did see that I forgot I read that. Yeah, what would you? I don't know how do you feel I rated this on letterbox.

Wilson:

I have not rated it yet. Um, I'm gonna give it like uh 70 really I gave it, I gave an 80 okay, you made me think I was like I, I went too high.

Captain:

Oh no, the movie is really entertaining. When you're watching it, like you get sucked in, and I would recommend it is a really good movie. There's a cat death, which is unfortunate.

Wilson:

Yeah, but otherwise.

Captain:

I mean you could fast forward 90 seconds and miss most of it, and it's not not gonna affect the watch of the movie. Yeah, just like a small content warning yeah yeah, yeah, yeah and Brian Cox is always a good actor. It's always nice to see him in things that is true, yeah, so would recommend.

Wilson:

Do you want to know what we're doing next week?

Captain:

oh my god, what about your rag?

Wilson:

oh, my gosh, I forgot about rags. Um, my god. Well, since I watched the movie a year ago, I don't know um what, what's?

Captain:

what's like the thing you remember from the movie from a year ago, because that would be like the thing that sticks out the most um, I do remember uh a cadaver um wow I, so I completely forgot the ending till we got there.

Wilson:

Uh, so that kind of gagged me a little bit, like I forgot that everyone died and there was like that jump scare at the end there is a, there is a feeling that austin will get away at the end and and when he dies.

Captain:

It is pretty shocking.

Wilson:

I'll go with that.

Captain:

Okay.

Captain:

What's yours, I think for me there's, so I've picked a rag. And then, as we went on, I was like actually I'm not sure Because I like another scene, but a quick, just a quick thing. When they're in the office and they're freaked out and they like someone's you know shaking down, they're trying to shake down the door and get in there and like basically there's a moment of silence in the room where they're like, you know, is the thing still out there, like it's? It's like really quiet. You could hear a pin drop in there. Like brian cox's character and his son are like silent, um, and then all of a sudden you hear like the bell ringing and it's like really heightened and that was a good scene.

Captain:

But honestly, I think the scene that I like the best is when, at the towards the end, when the sheriff comes back in and he's like hey, I'm here, you know, I got your phone call, I'm trying to get you guys out of here, I'm trying to free this door that's been blocked by a tree or something to get you out. And he's like try now. And he's saying this to austin on the other side of the door and austin's on the inside and he's trying to open the door and he's like it's still stuck and burke's like open it up, open up, open up. And. And he's saying I can't. But then burke like goes, open up your heart and let the sun shine. And it's like he gets this sing-songy, creepy voice going and it's like austin coming to the realization that this is also a hallucination.

Captain:

Hallucination was like really creepy, um. So I think that actually would be my raise the glass. I didn't pick up on how good that scene was the first time I watched this movie, but um, it's, it is really good in this. It's it's like the you know the red herring, like we're getting free, but it's like nope, you're just stuck in it so hard okay, yep, yep um, so I think that would be my, my rag, my race class.

Captain:

Obviously the poor one out is the cat is stanley yeah, yeah, that's um. I think that's a winner by a long shot yeah, by a shot I try to cut these movies out, but this one we wanted on the list so I left it.

Wilson:

The sacrifices we make.

Captain:

Oh, I do have. I did actually write on here what we're doing next time, because we always forget and then or forget to put it on. So I was trying to be good.

Wilson:

So it looks like we're doing the Ruins from 2008 yep I I don't know if I've seen. I'm trying to think because I think I might be getting confused with, like the descent and such um, so you're saying this is carnivorous vines at an archaeological site in mexico?

Captain:

yeah, does this movie poster look familiar at all?

Wilson:

I know I've seen that movie poster a bunch. I I guess I didn't see it because I do not remember carnivorous vines, that's true.

Captain:

Don't quote me on that, okay.

Wilson:

Well, I will. You have been recorded and you're on the record.

Captain:

Okay, I'll get ready for my subpoena.

Wilson:

Perfect yeah, okay Well, I'm excited to watch that. I'm actually it my subpoena Perfect yeah, okay Well, I'm excited to watch that.

Captain:

I'm actually. It's a little different. It's a different type. The Descent is probably the closest movie we've done to that right.

Wilson:

Did we do the Descent?

Captain:

What's the one we did where that lady is in an archaeological site.

Wilson:

Was it as Above, so Below.

Captain:

Oh, so Below, that's what it was. Yeah, site, as was that as above, so below. Oh, so below, that's what it was. Yeah, where she like, does these like crazy? She's like, but you see the symbol, this means this, and you're like girl, are you on crack? But otherwise that's a good movie yeah, it's just like she gets real like where are you coming up with these things? Yeah, it's like she gets like eggs on nips and you're like what's happening?

Wilson:

you know what I mean?

Captain:

yeah, um, anyway. So do you you have any advice for me based on what we've watched? I know it's very. Yeah, I purposely gave you this movie because I was like I don't know what advice you're going to pull from an autopsy.

Wilson:

So you only pick your movie based on the advice that you'll give.

Captain:

No, but like sometimes, if the hot goss is really good, but good. But both these movies had a similar amount of hot goss, so then I just moved down the list of what else would I base it on.

Wilson:

Yeah, I'm trying to think, because this is one of those movies where, technically, the main characters did nothing wrong, they just were super unlucky.

Captain:

Yeah, the entire movie is an autopsy. There is almost no scene that takes place outside of this building.

Wilson:

And they're not really doing stupid things, because they're just reacting to what they see.

Captain:

Well, there's one thing that you could say but it's not great, but it is advice.

Wilson:

What.

Captain:

Well, the only other character we see is the girlfriend, and if Austin didn't like blow her off, he wouldn't be stuck in this situation.

Wilson:

You, know what I mean. That is true. There is a lesson in this movie Don't blow off your significant other yeah, there we go.

Captain:

Don't blow off your significant other, but blow them. No, just kidding.