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The Ruins
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This week, Captain and Wilson discuss the 2008 horror, "The Ruins," where a group of tourists in Mexico visit a hidden Mayan temple and discover a deadly surprise. Who would have guessed exploring a restricted area is dangerous?
The film stars Jena Malone (Donnie Darko), Shawn Ashmore (X-Men), Jonathan Tucker (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake), Laura Ramsey (The Covenant), and Joe Anderson (The Crazies).
we're doing good. We're doing good. Do you want to? Okay, I do kind of want to talk about it first, really fast. So, um, the new season of dexter yes rick shaw is out so good, dude so good did you watch episode three yet hell yeah, dude it.
Captain:I that they do not miss. And I'm really appreciating the like uh setting of like hot miami and then like ice cold, snow town and now like season. You know, the third version of the newer dexter is like um big metropolis, like they're doing, like I don't know, it's like very three distinct settings yes, I think I would like.
Wilson:I like the new setting, I think the nostalgic part, like if they were somehow could be like back in Miami, I'd be like, yes, and I wish they had the full theme song. Those are just like such small potatoes, because the show was otherwise really really good.
Captain:But yeah they. They have shifted away from the theme song. I don't necessarily mind it. They do that new thing where they like slice a bunch of one second or half second like pictures before or like throughout the episode of like, or yeah, like, what's about to happen? Um, even though the theme song is good, but I don't know they did it for um original sin.
Wilson:Yeah, I also kind of wonder, like if they wouldn't want to do that for two active shows yeah, I think that might be the problem.
Captain:Yeah, um, but I love it. I love that we saw quinn and masuka that okay.
Wilson:So we knew like based like seeing online, that yeah, quinn was gonna show up, but masuka was a nice surprise it was so nice.
Captain:It was so nice. I I love seeing them, do you think?
Wilson:they're probably like that was.
Captain:That was the time they showed up like, yeah, I I, I we were talking about it after we watched the episode and I was like, yeah, I don't expect them to like, those guys aren't really acting anymore.
Wilson:I feel like they probably were just doing their little cs, lee's and um for all mankind Masuka.
Captain:Oh, that's right. I mean they might bring him back. I just feel like it was a very sad. I mean it was a very small, like I'm retiring scene. I don't.
Wilson:Yeah. Like I think it was just a nice nod for the audience.
Captain:Yeah.
Wilson:I don't. It doesn't feel like they're going to. You know, three cops from Miami go up to New York like this yeah, we're going to.
Captain:you know, three cops from Miami go up to New York like this. Yeah, I'm not loving the new genius lady cop that's investigating everything. She is annoying, I don't. I think that my biggest, my only problem with the show is, I feel like so many times, cop shows are like you know, the only way to write an officer is like you know, they're neurodivergent and, like that, like also a genius at the same time. I'm like they don't have to be that way you know what I mean, like there's a lot of shows and movies that are like that.
Captain:I'm like she doesn't have to be this way, Like how many cops out there really are like this? I bet very, very few.
Wilson:Yeah, really are like this. I bet very, very few.
Captain:Yeah, this is I don't know how many shows like I couldn't count how many shows I've seen where, like one of the cops, like you said, is a genius but like nerd yeah, like they're socially awkward or they don't know how to, you know, have any other, yeah, like friendly relationship, you know, and she, like her partner, even says like, oh, yeah, she just does that. I'm like, okay, it doesn't have to be so, I don't know, it's just very um, yeah, it's just very overdone, I guess, but otherwise the show's like I really like harrison's role. I really, yeah, I really like dexter's characters coming back. I even am happy with the uma thorman character, like I think that's gonna be really fun yeah, I think this will be a fun storyline.
Captain:Yeah, um and we haven't seen peter dinklage yet. Like I know that's gonna be really fun. Yeah, I think this will be a fun storyline. Yeah, um, and we haven't seen peter dinklage yet. Like I know that man comes I forgot yeah and um.
Wilson:What's his face from?
Captain:modern family will be in it too oh, yeah, um eric erica stone street yeah, is neil patrick harris too, or am I thinking?
Wilson:I think so yeah, I guess we're gonna see all these people at that. Oh, at the dinner.
Captain:Yeah, wow, that'll be fun. Yeah, like that storyline's cool, yeah, the whole. Like you know, dark Passenger and Dexter being like that's my name, like that, like his ego coming out, is even fun, because sometimes we see his ego come out like and it's nice to'm loving it. Oh yeah, um yeah, I cannot wait to see more. Um, I know this isn't on the list, but just also, we're watching that revival show which, technically, is a sci-fi channel show. I'm trying to like not make it blurry. Um, it's even a sci-fi channel show, which?
Captain:is like very surprising, but it's pretty good um about like uh, members of the town that get resurrected from their grave and they're trying to figure out, like, what's going on I mean, it does sound pretty good um, but I guess you need like a peacock. Do you have a peacock account?
Wilson:For right now we do yeah.
Captain:Okay.
Wilson:I tried to cancel and then they were like here's the significant discount. I was like I'm going to fall for it, but let's do it.
Captain:If you are paying for Peacock for a while, I would also. Is that on Peacock? I think so. No, I'm not sure. Is what on Peacock? I think so. No, I'm not sure. Is what on Peacock. Maybe it's on Paramount the Institute's on Paramount+ right.
Wilson:MGM+.
Captain:But I think you can watch it through Paramount. No, oh, no, you're right, it is, yeah, yeah.
Wilson:I was like, do I need to go check if I just double paid?
Captain:You're right, because I thought you could, and then I did this whole casting to my TV from my iPad which was way more complicated than it should have been. But yeah, no, you're right, it's MGM+. What's the other show we were? There's some other. Oh, if you want to. While you're paying for Peacock, there's a show called, based on a True Story, that Kelly Cuoco stars in. Oh, want to. While you're paying for peacock, there's a show called, based on a true story, that kelly cuoco stars in oh okay, because I like to inflate attendant yeah, it's a different vibe, but, um, I don't want to give too much away.
Captain:We only. I only watched an episode, but it's really good so far okay and there's two seasons and it has the girl from uh stranger things in it, the older sister oh uh, natalie, yeah, yeah yeah, that's her character's name yeah, okay yeah, she's in there, um, so I would recommend that one too. Um, okay, the one thing. So I want to talk about this because I randomly saw this. Um, so there's two things there's. Have you ever heard of Socotra Island?
Wilson:Definitely not.
Captain:Okay, so I'm going to send this to you. I had to click on something.
Captain:No, no, no, no. Well, I just wanted to tell you, okay. So apparently there's this island called Socotra Island, which is in the Indian Ocean, and what's interesting about them is they have this like really distinct flora and fauna there. So I just sent you a picture. But like their um nature actually like looks alien there, um, and I think it's been like the basis for like alien planets uh in some. Basis for like alien planets uh in some like movies and tv shows, um, but like it doesn't look real, these pictures. Oh, I don't know if you did you see that?
Captain:I saw the, yeah, the silly tree the silly trees, yeah, but they like I don't know, it doesn't look real, but these are all like very real photos of what their nature looks like there. Not a lot of people go here. I think you can be a tourist here, but like they, I don't know. It's a very distinct flora and fauna. I was trying to see if, specifically, there was a movie that references this area, but I know I've seen stuff like do you watch that show? I think it's Apple that has a necromancer in it. What.
Captain:I can't remember the show, but they they like a part of the most of the shows on an alien planet and it looks just like this, like it looks very similar to, like this island's wildlife and necromancer.
Captain:She's like a robot alien what a robot, alien necromancer yes, and I don't care not remember the show, and I thought it was apple, but I feel like if it was apple you would remember, you would know what I was talking about an alien robot, I don't know anyway. Anyway, the island is very cool because it has this like really interesting alien looking. It's described as the most alien looking place on Earth. It's only 82 miles in length and 26 miles at its widest and it's a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
Wilson:What does that mean?
Captain:Oh, it's like a protected site in the world. Um, when I went to norway, the houses in bergen they're also a unesco heritage site like you're not allowed to, just like they're like landmarks in the world that are like internationally, like protected. Um, like you couldn't, if you went after that place, you know, bomb that place in a war or something it would be seen as like you know, like you're breaking laws or whatever, like war crimes I don't know I think so something like that.
Captain:Don't quote me on that, but they're like just protected historical significant sites or really interesting or, like you know, things that are different in the world. I'm not a historian, I don't know anyway, it sounds cool.
Wilson:Uh, I probably won't end up there, but I just thought in person yeah, I just thought like the pictures are just very, very surprising wait, how'd you, how'd you come across this again?
Captain:I don't know. I think it was like a random tiktok, I don't know oh, okay um, oh, here I'll send you like one more, because this is just. Oh, maybe I'll send you two more, wow, okay, the other thing I wanted to talk about and this is pretty on the nose, but there's another island called Snake Island.
Wilson:What's on that one, you'll never guess.
Captain:There's an island in Brazil that's called Snake Island and it's known for its incredibly high concentration of venomous snakes, specifically the golden lancehead viper. Due to the extreme danger, the Brazilian Navy has prohibited this from public access and you're only allowed to go there for scientific research. Um, I can't, let me see if I I want to say I saw a statistic that it's like there are, like there's, one snake per like square foot or something insane, like I can't remember what the exact numbers were, but it's like the ground is snakes.
Wilson:And they don't care. I mean, I guess they wouldn't wipe it out. I mean, I guess they wouldn't just wipe them all out. Oh yeah, they're like land snakes, so it's not like they can swim oh yeah, but it's like, even though it's super venomous, they don't want to just kill all the snakes on the island.
Captain:I feel like why.
Wilson:Somebody probably wants to live there.
Captain:It's? I don't think so. Ok, listen to this. So the island's 21 miles off the coast of Sao Paulo, brazil. The island is only four hundred,000 square meters, so it's not very big, and it has. Oh, the snakes are endangered.
Wilson:Doesn't sound like it? Oh, the snakes are endangered?
Captain:Doesn't sound like it? Oh yes, one snake per square meter, which is one snake per 10 square feet. Every 10 square feet there's a snake. There is a competition for resources, so because of that they're considered an endangered species. But I feel like they kind of made that their own fault.
Wilson:Yeah, and they also don't sound that endangered.
Captain:They're called, yeah, golden lancehead viper. They're a predator. And then there's another species which feeds on vegetation in the same areas as the snake, as the other snakes, um, yeah, so the island itself is 430,000 snakes, but they did more recent research has found that the number is probably around 4,000. Wait, only 4,000 snakes. Well, 4,000 in the most concentrated or in the area that. So part of the island is in a rainforest and part of it isn't Okay.
Captain:So, like the rainforest part, I guess, is the only part that they can survive well, I should say so in that concentrated, in that main area where they live. I guess there's like 4,000 or so. I've never been there. And I guess I'll never will.
Wilson:So I just looked up that lance head.
Captain:Viper.
Wilson:Butthead one. Yeah, there's like a range of conservation status which I didn't know about. Oh yeah. So, it's not just endangered, it's critically endangered.
Captain:Oh yeah, yikes, yeah, critically endangered, endangered, and then like threatened, and then there's, like I would think, one more.
Wilson:There's like eight here.
Captain:In the range.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:Oh, wow, Wow. I've only heard of like four of them.
Wilson:There's like super extinct, mega extinct. Okay, well, Wait are you?
Captain:You're not being real.
Wilson:No no.
Captain:Yeah, the critically endangered, what it's like the rhino, like the black rhino, isn't there only like five left, or something.
Wilson:I don't know you about to be out the door, Jesus.
Captain:I think Amur leopards there was only like 40 left the last time I looked it doesn't list them on this page. Well, anyway, here's just a few islands that you'll probably never go to but are very, very interesting Were you just on island talk? Yeah, definitely You're not on there. You should get on there. Nope, don't happen to be on there. Um, I don't know.
Wilson:Snake Island literally sounds like a movie, like for a for the podcast oh yeah, I actually, when I was trying to look up Snake Island, the first result was Snake.
Captain:Island film so, like wait, is there a movie?
Wilson:yeah, I don't know if it's like directly phrased or like from snake island, because that's such a generic name oh wow, I feel like I've seen this movie cover in like a blockbuster it 100. Looks like one of those dude.
Captain:It literally says the premise is tourists are trying to survive a tropical island infested with snakes oh well, oh, there we go, tourists are turning to survive a tropical island infested with snakes.
Wilson:Oh well, oh, there we go um, but I don't think it's a good movie, just fyi doesn't.
Captain:Yeah, it doesn't give off that.
Wilson:Um, you're not catching that. Nope, it's probably's, probably good. But honestly, if I was going to watch Snake Island, I'd be like let's just watch Anaconda.
Captain:Oh true. Oh yeah, didn't that come up recently on a podcast? Maybe that's why it came up on my phone.
Wilson:Maybe there's a Hmm, I'm not sure.
Captain:I feel like there was a director that wrote Anaconda also.
Wilson:There probably was.
Captain:Okay, are you ready? Yeah. All right. Welcome to the 173rd episode of the Red Round Podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two. And I'm Captain, and I'm Captain. And I'm Wilson. And this week we're reviewing the 2008 natural horror film the Ruins Jesus. You good.
Captain:I don't know why I cannot do it unless I'm like reading it like I'm popcorn reading in a high school class. Okay, I'm reading it like I'm popcorn reading in a high school class, okay. So this movie was directed by Carter Smith, very generic name. It's his feature film directorial debut, but he did three more movies. Since I don't recognize Jamie Marks is Dead, swallowed the Passenger, since, um, I don't recognize jamie marx is dead, swallowed the passenger, and I literally don't hear.
Wilson:But I don't know those movies the passenger almost sounds familiar, but I could just be thinking of the movie passengers or the dark passenger the dark. Oh yeah, I didn't.
Captain:I did not see this movie this movie was written by Scott Smith. Are y'all related? I mean, those are. So Carter Smith and Scott Smith, your face is not happy, it's a family thing. I don't know I mean Smith's so general, but it's based on his 2006 novel of the same name. Both his novel, a Simple Plan, both his novels, including this one and A Simple Plan, have also been adapted into movies. Have both been adapted into movies? Have you watched A Simple Plan? That sounds very familiar.
Wilson:It's a band.
Captain:It's a band.
Wilson:Simple Plan.
Captain:Why does that sound? Maybe Do they do like Blink-182 music.
Wilson:I mean, it was that era.
Captain:Okay.
Wilson:Bill.
Captain:Paxton is in a Simple Plan.
Wilson:The movie it doesn't, is it scary? And billy babathoran okay, that can't be a scary movie.
Captain:Wait, hold on. There was one movie we watched for the podcast. Oh no, that was billy ray cyrus was in that movie.
Wilson:There's too many billies what did we watch with billy ray cyrus in it?
Captain:there was a one movie we watched and billy ray cyrus was in it. He was like the hunk. What's the male version of mistress? Is it mistress?
Wilson:uh mistrose are you just making up words?
Captain:he was like the male mistress to a woman. It was that really complicated movie where, like it was real, you know you had to think about it and analyze it I I we've done 200 of these bitches. I don't fucking know?
Wilson:oh, I did look up the male version of mistress and they kind of said there's not really a term for it so mistrose is what we're going with because I think what the woman is probably always at fault, whatever, it was never the man's fault.
Captain:So correct as it is, so shall it be. Women don't deserve anything. You haven't learned that, and we're always at fault um um wait. Carter smith is also a fashion photographer the carter smith or some other carter smith this carter smith how do you know that I?
Wilson:looked at his wikipedia is he good? I don't know, I didn't. There were no pictures that he's taken his eyes where's he?
Captain:is he photographing? What is this like fashion week?
Wilson:is that just like? Maybe this movie was the soft launch of like, whatever, um, like fashion show he's putting on?
Captain:I don't think so. He also writes books, dude oh no scott, no, scott writes books oh the, maybe, brother the probable brother. Um, okay, one other thing is um scott, who wait a second oh, you said he, he writes books.
Captain:This is the guy who wrote the book about this movie, or like yes, yeah, he writes books like the book yes inspire this movie we already talked about this, because he also wrote a Simple Plan, and then I was talking about A Simple Plan. He wrote this book, the Ruins. Okay. Which, honestly, I feel like the book of this would slap so hard.
Wilson:Yeah, I wonder if it ends the same. Maybe I don't want to know that.
Captain:Oh Okay, I think there's some hot goose that I think I give it away but, we can like. Nix it if you really want to.
Wilson:Um, we'll see. We'll see Um, okay.
Captain:One other thing is so so. Scott also wrote um the screenplay for a movie called Serbia that Keanu Reeves is in. I feel like I've seen that cover, but I never saw the movie. Serbia no, Serbia called serbia that kiana reeves is in.
Wilson:I feel like I've seen that cover, but I never saw the movie serbia.
Captain:No, serbia. Oh, that's a different movie you watched, um, okay, watch a musical. No, just disturbia. Oh, oh, oh, um, okay, the thing I really wanted to say, the last thing is this movie was produced by Ben Stiller with his production company, red Hour Films, because Ben Stiller is besties with Scott Smith.
Wilson:Really.
Captain:Yeah, smith was two-thirds done with the book when Ben Stiller already approached him and was, like we're making this bitch into a movie. He wasn't even done the book yet. Like we're making making this bitch into a movie. He wasn't even done the book yet. Um, but he had the screen rights based an outline on the what he had so far. Um, but scott was like literally was quoted with saying they told me they wanted me to write the screenplay too. So while I was finishing the last third of the book, I was already. I already knew I was going to adapt it into the movie, into a movie, and was like thinking about the screenplay already wow, okay so I I this.
Captain:Sometimes, when you watch movies that are based on a book, you can tell it's like a little rushed, but I think this movie does a good job of maybe knowing so far in advance. I think it might've helped.
Wilson:Probably. Yeah, actually you're probably right. Like it would have made writing the screenplay so much easier, I guess, if you already wrote the book in a way that you weren't even done the book, like, yeah, um, what did you look up?
Captain:Whatever you were looking up, what was Serbia? Uh, I wasn't. Um, what did you look up?
Wilson:whatever you, were looking up what was serbia uh, I wasn't.
Captain:I don't think I actually ended up looking it up well, I think I've seen the movie poster for that movie before, but keanu reeves is really um crushing it with these john wick movies I, I've only seen the first one I'm just, they keep making them, they keep.
Wilson:They're like kind of done now I think they're making another one well I mean well, I know there's a spin-off one.
Captain:I heard about that one who what the main character is the dog or something?
Wilson:the ballerina. I think that's a ballerina in. Was there not a character or something called ballerina? I don't know. I just know a movie came out called ballerina, and it's in that universe.
Captain:Oh, from the world of John Wick, colon ballerina. Yeah. An assassin, as always. Okay, let's read we get so sidetracked, you want it ready to get into the cast uh, yeah okay, so we have jenna malone as amy or aim I know, like I girl, I it's a, I get it. You don't have to give us the in quotes nickname for Amy. Okay, so she is known for playing Gretchen in Donnie Darko. She's young Ellie in the Contact Memory from 1997 with Jodie Foster. Oh shit, oh no, we did Panic Room, didn't we?
Wilson:Yeah, but I was thinking about this earlier because I saw that note you put in here. If we didn't do it on the podcast, I'm pretty sure we just like around that time, just watched a movie and didn't talk about it.
Captain:I don't remember Contact being an actual movie for the list.
Wilson:No, but I think we watched it together. I think we watched it.
Captain:Yeah, we were just fucking around, I don't know, but I thought we did it. And now, in the moment that we're recording, I'm like, oh no, I'm thinking of Panic Room, for sure. Because, that was the Jodie Foster with a kid that we did, and that was Twilight Girl, kristen Stewart is the baby in that movie. Baby's a loose term.
Captain:Yeah you're just off by a couple years. Jenna Malone also was Joanna Mason in Hunger Games. Do you know who that is? No, I don't know either. And then she was Sage Ross in Nocturnal Animals with Amy Adams, which I did watch Nocturnal Animals. That was a good show.
Wilson:I don't remember much about it, but I did too.
Captain:Okay, and then we have Jonathan Tucker who plays Jeff. He did something in the Texas Chainsaw from 2003. He was Major Craddock in Westworld. It's been so long since I watched Westworld. He was in the Charlie's Angels remake as well. Wow, Also with Kristen Stewart Weird.
Wilson:Wait, what was the other one with Kristen Stewart? Oh.
Captain:Oh, nothing, okay, I was picturing Kristen Bell.
Wilson:when you said that for some reason, I was like when did we talk about her?
Captain:Oh, Very different, very, very different. Okay, and then we have sean ashmore, who plays eric. This is a person I recognize the most. He is. He was jake in anamorphs, um the leader, the tiger, jake himself oh, yes, yes, okay, yep um. He's also bobby drake slash ice men in the x-men films. Um. He is a special fbi agent in the following show, which was really good. That's with kevin bacon. Highly recommend if you haven't seen it. Um and more recently he was lamplighter in the boys uh you watch that?
Wilson:yeah, yeah, did you, you watched that right, yeah, yeah, I'm tired of it, but I'm going to finish it.
Captain:I am. I am a little. It's like so juicy everywhere there's juice, and guts everywhere it's a little, it's getting a little, I don't know. Too drudgy and dark or something.
Wilson:Yeah, it's about time. Yeah, it's time.
Captain:Okay, and then we have Stacey. Oh, I always do that. Alara Ramsey who plays Stacey, she's in Olivia and she's the man and she was Sarah Wineham in the Covenant. Oh, we did do that one.
Wilson:Yes, that's who I was like. What do I know? Do I know her?
Captain:yes, and I even put my squelch guess in here because we just did it and I want to say it was like 168, but that seems a little too recent. I'm gonna switch that. I'm gonna say 165 for my squelch all right, let's see for the covenant 165. I feel like that's still too recent uh, that was 150 way. What did you? Is that what you were thinking?
Wilson:I didn't pick.
Captain:Okay, mathis, mathias, mathis, they said Mathis, right.
Wilson:I thought they were saying Matthias oh.
Captain:Matthias. Yeah, they were saying Matthias. Yeah, okay, joe Anderson as Matthias, and he's one of the kills in the Creep movies, which I like, those, but you're whatever about those. And then he's Alistair in Twilight. Yeah, do you know?
Wilson:who that is. Yeah.
Captain:Your buddy, your bestie.
Wilson:Well, he's not that big of a character. Oh.
Captain:Okay, and then, oh, one of the Mayan leads Sergio. Oh, the guy that was screaming, sergio. Calderon? What are you talking about? Sergio Calderon as the lead Mayan.
Wilson:Oh, sorry, I didn't know. You switched to the next.
Captain:Oh.
Wilson:I thought we were still talking about Joe.
Captain:Did you want me to? What else is there to say about Joe?
Wilson:Oh no, I think that's it.
Captain:I don't think that's really worth mentioning. I mean, this guy played.
Wilson:Did you say something? This stuff is so mean.
Captain:I mean, I don't know him and his role in this movie is not very big. No. But the biggest role is that he was some Captain Villanueva in Pirates of the Caribbean is that he was some Captain Villanova in. Pirates of the Caribbean. Some people make a really good occupation as just being small roles in a bunch of movies.
Wilson:Oh yeah, I think. Because I was looking at his face and I was like why does he look familiar? He played an alien that I remember in Men in in black.
Captain:I was like, oh yeah, I did I did see um that came up too, but I was like it sounds like his role in that movie was also so small that oh yeah I was like, do I even bring that up?
Captain:um, okay, but anyway, the main cast is the four, the four people we have amy and stacy, who are best friends, and then their boyfriends, jeff and eric. Those are like the main main people in the movie. Okay, so there is oh shit I forgot about, yeah, the brief prologue of a woman crouching alone in darkness screaming for help. Unnecessary, really. We didn't really know that. That threat you were talking about. No, no, no. At the very beginning, where there's a lady screaming in darkness.
Wilson:Oh, I forgot about that.
Captain:I know I forgot about that too, but it's like unnecessary. Do you have a cat attack that you're?
Wilson:Yeah, I can't touch my desk because he's just like.
Captain:Needs it. Look at this, yeah he's like uh, excuse you, he's uh, he wants to be on the mic yeah, he's, he wants pets, okay, um yeah, there's just a scene of a woman screaming for help, um in a dark hole, the beginning.
Wilson:That is unnecessary really but I don't think that adds anything no, it really doesn't.
Captain:I mean, the movie's a little short, I don't know I guess that's true. It adds some time so okay, so we get the four main friends. They're chilling at a pool on vacation in mexico, um they, a random dude like approaches them a german tourist who, um, I did not pick this up when he first said it, but apparently he's looking for his brother yeah, I didn't. Yeah, missed that completely yeah, that must have been so quick um but also if I'm ever on vacation and someone like scam, yeah, scam yeah, never.
Captain:Nope, it's definitely scam.
Wilson:Like I already planned this vacation and this is not what's going to happen.
Captain:Yeah, and like what Jeff was like really excited to do this because he was like it's off the beaten path. And I'm like, sir, if you want it off the beaten path, you should have planned that months ago.
Captain:This is not a let's go right now situation with some rando that we don't know, yeah, like a day, a day before you're supposed to leave, yeah, no, so icky. But yeah, random dude approaches them and he's like you want to go to this temple with me? Um, and so they do. It's like an archaeological site that's remote in the mayan jungle, um, and his, that's matthias, who approaches them, so they get really drunk at a beach before they go that night. And what Amy, who's Jeff's girlfriend, makes out with Mateus, which they stop her before she does anything worse. But then they were like, oh, her friend's like, oh, it's fine, and she's just crashing out because Jeff's about to go to med school 2,000 miles away. So she doesn't know if it's fine. Like she's just crashing out because her Jeff's about to go to med school 2,000 miles away, so like she doesn't know what's gonna work. And I'm like, yeah, I don't have a lot of faith.
Wilson:Um, yeah, but still like weird vibes from just the both of them, or?
Captain:very strange, yeah, um, so the next morning Amy doesn't even want to go. She's like throwing up in a bathtub or in the toilet, but she just decides to go anyway. Um, and I love that when they get on the tour bus to go to the town, I I didn't I mentioned this to you before, but like the 2008 is screaming through the screen because they're doing that, um, layered tank top thing.
Wilson:That was really popular oh, I didn't even notice oh my god, it's like killing me.
Captain:Like two tank tops that are exactly the same, but like the blue one is over the white one I'm like, oh, that was a special fashion time, speaking of fashion photography, um.
Captain:But yeah, then they so they like get to the town, they're joined by some friend of matthias dimitri, and then they have to get like in the back of a taxi, like on the bed of a truck, and go even further into the woods. Amy's like very ill-prepared because she has fucking flip-flops on and she's didn't know that she had to hike okay, I like your feet would be ruined by the end of this. By the way, but also why?
Wilson:why would her, like boyfriend or any of her friends, tell her, hey, you know we're going hiking, wasn't gonna go well, no, but you still like should tell her those won't be good for you yeah, like I'm.
Captain:I mean I'm surprised she even had pants on, but like instead of shorts or something.
Captain:But yeah yeah, like her friend is in like long pants and and sneakers when she goes. But yeah, I don't know the. I think it's supposed to be like she's just hung over and not putting in her effort, but the flip-flops are killing me. I'm like your feet would be cut up, bug bite up, like at one point the movie they closed in on her foot and she has like her full nail polish on. I'm like that would be. That would be crocked everywhere like not good, um, I don't know. The idea of even hiking two miles with flip-flops on is like mentally killing me.
Wilson:So and they're gonna break oh, oh yeah.
Captain:How do her flip-flops not break? Um, okay, I've broken flip-flops. Like walking back from the beach and like the suction of the water ocean breaks them you're like they've been there they've been there, yep okay okay. So they get into the deep, remote ruins and they're, uh, confronted by mayan villagers like kind of, as they approach this temple. Um, there's like a dude on a horse that rides up on a horse and screaming at them. Not in in English, not in Spanish. Did they say what language it was?
Wilson:I think it's supposed to be Mayan.
Captain:That's a language.
Wilson:I mean, I think it is or was, I don't know.
Captain:Well, they can't communicate at all and he's just screaming at them and he doesn't know why they're screaming. But at one point during that, amy steps on some of the plants outside the temple and then everybody's screaming Like it's really intense, and they think that they're screaming because she has a camera and she's taking pictures. But you know, as we know now, it's because she stepped on the plants. So when she does that, what? They shoot an arrow in the heart of Dimitri, who also briefly steps on the plants, and then the main, the lead, mayan Sergio, comes up close to him and shoots him in the face with a gun. So like the escalation of like they just got there and they're like casually checking out the temple to one of the people that, with them, fucking dies, is so crazy. Like when we were watching it we were both like jaw dropped oh yeah, I didn't think anything was gonna happen right there I wasn't yeah, I wasn't expecting anything um so like but the movie's like skipping pace.
Wilson:I'm not like waiting around for something to happen.
Captain:I'm not waiting and I don't feel like it's overrun too quickly no no, so it's good.
Captain:That's somehow a very hard balance to find in these movies. Okay, so then they run up the temple because they recognize that the native people won't follow them up there and they're obviously really really freaked out. There's no signal, which you even said like while we were watching, like how, what's their plan to get back? And like it's so funny. Like shortly after you wrote that, they were like how are we gonna get back? When I wrote the thing about the flip-flops, the girl was like shortly after she was like I can't believe I'm doing this. Flip, flip flops. What are they listening? So, yeah, so they don't have any cell signal and Jeff says it's fine, you know we set up camp here, but you know, eventually someone will come looking for us Because, like you know, we had other friends on the beach with us last night.
Wilson:The people that keep calling the Greeks yeah, yeah, weird. I don't love that. No, like it doesn't sound like they're trying to be derogatory with it, but after they say it like the eighth time, like do you really?
Captain:you don't know, nobody knows their names I know why didn't you just throw some names in there? It's very strange, but they had a copy of the map. So they were like someone will come look for us. If we don't make our flight, someone will come look for us. If we don't check out of our hotel, someone will come look for us. If we don't make our flight, someone will come look for us. If we don't check out of our hotel, someone will come look for us. And then they hear a cell phone ringing, but it's like in a well or something and it's so dude. That scene literally made me laugh, because Mateus was like oh, that's my brother Hendrik's cell phone. I know his ringtone, the most regular ring, ring ring you would ever hear. We were both like sir eye roll.
Wilson:I mean, I guess he's being hopeful, but like, come on.
Captain:I mean, I think maybe it would take you out of the movie if his cell phone was something weird, like you know like hot in here. Yeah, like hot in here, Like, yeah, you, you know yin yang twins. Yeah, maybe it would take you out of it a little, but it's just such a regular cell phone, it's just such a regular ring that it was like sir relax, um, but it's like down this, like well thing. I don't know what that is.
Wilson:I mean, I think it's there on the top of the pyramid, so they're just going in the roof yeah, but like why is it shaped like a well and why is there a rope like a well? Uh, somebody probably like exploring, and then they well met. The same thing everyone else did built that way what do you mean? I mean, I think somebody just like went to the top. It's built that way. What do you mean? It wasn't built. I mean, I think somebody just like went to the top and knocked the ceiling in and wanted to go inside.
Captain:Oh, I mean, it looked like constructed.
Wilson:What do you mean constructed?
Captain:Like the hole. It wasn't just like knocked out, it was like constructed.
Wilson:I don't know?
Captain:Okay. Well, anyway, have I ever been to ruins? No, so maybe they're all built that way.
Wilson:Well, I don't really want to go to any Maybe.
Captain:well, I'd go to look Because of the vines. On the outside.
Wilson:I just don't want to like, go inside.
Captain:Yeah, yeah, they're ruins for a reason, I guess. Okay so, yeah so they okay so, um, yeah, so they go down the shaft because they hear the cell phone down there.
Captain:Um, matthias goes down first, gets cranked down there, the rope quickly snaps man falls to, falls into the abyss of darkness, but they can hear moaning so they know he's not dead. So then they're like fuck. So then they send stacy down there after him and she goes down to look for him in the cell phone. But when she goes down also the rope's not long enough so she like almost breaks her leg. Her knee's like smashed.
Wilson:I don't really understand how yeah.
Captain:I mean, it's bleeding a lot, it's not a little.
Wilson:I mean she got like a big shard of glass in there or something.
Captain:Didn't it look like glass? But I was like how the fuck is there glass down here?
Wilson:I don't know, last person that fell down, I guess. Yeah, maybe they had bottles of liquor, yeah.
Captain:So she also then talks to Mateus and he's like, yeah, I can't move my legs, can't feel them. She's like, oh, fuck, your back's broken. So Jeff's like, oh, fuck, your back's broken, um. So jeff's like, well, it's okay, I'm a med student. We're gonna build him a backboard and we're gonna bring it down and you guys are gonna get him on it. But she's like, sir I, this is not what we signed up for I mean, that's how amy's feeling she's like amy was like I'm not doing this shit.
Captain:But uh, she basically just does it, because they're like what are we gonna do? Let him die down there. It's just, you watch this movie and you're like l after l after l. It's like you guys made terrible choices. You, you continue to make terrible choices. I don't know, it's just like, and there's not too much they can do about what hand they're dealt with, but it's like, oh my God, you're just watching it and you're like Jesus Christ. So they get him out. They make Stacey and Amy pick him up because the boys have to work at the top to crank the rope and when they get that man on the stretcher, he is like screaming in agony Um, yeah, cause they bend him in half.
Wilson:Yeah.
Captain:They like, he's like, I don't know. It's horrendous to watch when they're lifting him, Cause they're like yes. I was going to say you hear the crunching and the cracking and whatever he gets on the board. Um, there was a brief moment where Amy was like we're not doing this and she's like I'm going to go down and talk to the Mayans and ask them for help. And I was thinking to myself Amy, you already watched one of them shoot somebody in the face. They're not going to help somebody that broke their back. No.
Captain:Who do you?
Captain:This was like five minutes ago they just murdered somebody yes, did you forget who you just talked to? So she goes down there and she's like you've got to help us. But they obviously can't communicate at all and in frustration she rips some plants out and she throws them at a little boy that's with the Mayans. And then again everybody freaks out and then they kill that little boy in front of yeah, in front of amy and jeff, because he got hit with the plant. Um, it's, I think I, they also. I feel like the people, the mayans are now doubly mad because you like made them kill one of their kids.
Wilson:Oh, yeah, I, this girl, the first half of the movie. I'm like you're.
Captain:Amy when we watched her get drunk and make out with Mateus.
Captain:We both were like she's dying. First I really thought honestly at one point in the movie, when Stacey starts freaking out, I was like, stacey, don't make me be, you're forcing Amy to be the like, the voice of reason, and that's not who she was supposed to be, um, anyway. So like now, they've killed two people, the mayans, and, um, they already have some person matthias and stacy actually that are hurt. So at night, um, there's a brief discussion where jeff realizes that the thing that they're scared of is the plants. Like that's why, um, you know they won't come up here, um, and that's why they reacted that way. So, like now they know that's the plants that are the problem. Um, and Jeff is afraid. He says, like I'm afraid Mateus will die here from infection. Um, my friend Mateus will die here from infection. And the next morning Jeff briefly finds a skeleton in the vines, doesn't say anything to anybody, which is crazy.
Captain:And then Stacey and Mateus, who both got hurt are both like jacked up with vines growing from their wounds. So Stacey's is gross, but Mateus's is way worse. Oh my gosh, this looks terrible. It's like literally eating the dermis off his body of his legs, yeah, and there's.
Wilson:There's such build-up to that scene too, because he was like covered in the blanket and he kept screaming about to like somebody look at my legs.
Captain:I was like oh yeah, we see stacy's first and her there's like vines growing out of her wound on her knee and her boyfriend's like ripping them out. And then, yeah, then you hear amy and matthias like screaming about his like, yeah, and it literally it seems like the vines eat dead or dying tissue is what it seems like like because it doesn't eat them while they're like freshly alive. It's almost like what is that? A vulture that only eats dead things. Like it ate his legs after they started dying because they had a tourniquet on them oh, so that's have an open wound or an infected wound, that's almost what it seems like and like later on, when there's like separated tissues of body, like they just like drag them away yeah
Captain:like it has to be dead or dying. Um, so anyway, um, matthias's legs jacked the fuck up, like literally, you know, jeff's like he has bone that's exposed to the environment, like now he's like deaf, gonna die. Um, they still keep hearing a phone ringing down the well, which you even said. It was like why didn't they get the phone? But I think around the same time they realized the plants might be the problem and they could hear that the phone was like in the plant somewhere. So they decided like maybe not. But now, with two deaths, two injuries, they were like maybe we should get the phone. Um, so the two girls go down there and they have to step on the vines and when they're down there they also find their dead body a woman that's holding a cell phone, uh, or a dead body that's holding a cell phone.
Captain:And when they look at the phone it's like cracked and not working but, they keep hearing the ringing noise and they like get close to the flowers and the vines, and the flowers are like vibrating and they're mimicking the sound of a cell phone like the way that a parrot would mimic it. So that's what they were hearing the whole time the flowers mimicking the noise of the cell phone. And I was like bruh, that is so cool, like I don't know that I that's probably my rag. Yeah.
Captain:I love that scene Because like the realization that like, oh, you're like fully fucked and you like even put yourself in more danger by stepping on all these plants to get this thing.
Wilson:And this is where I feel like the movie turns and you're like, oh, these people are not surviving. It's not going to be one of those movies.
Captain:And around the same time when the girls get out. So she like pinches one of the flowers that are making this noise amy, I think and then, like the vines in the area, attack and, um, there was a jump scare in there and it got me like a vine, like reaching out and like snatching her arm.
Captain:You turned your camera off, so I don't know if you I was eating, saw me, but I know, but uh, but I like got a full jump scare, which it got me, which I also appreciated. Uh, but they do get out of there and they're, like, you know, yelling at the top. You know, when they get to the top of the boys, they're like there's no fucking cell phone and they explain the flowers, um, and they're like freaking out even more. Jeff's weirdly optimistic, saying like somebody is coming for us, like we'll be okay, but Amy's like no, we're like literally being quarantined up here, we're being left here to die. And they, you know, they're not going to like just let us go, like they don't want this thing to spread, like we're not getting out of here.
Captain:And Jeff was like four Americans don't just go on vacation and disappear. And I'm like, sir, I know that you wouldn't believe that, but like have you seen the true crime documentaries that are out there? You would just be another true crime documentary about someone that went missing and I'd watch the hell out of it. Um, so I don't know, I just I mean, I understand his logic, but it's not gonna work. And then, shortly after this, jeff's like yeah, matthias, we're gonna have to cut his legs off because he's definitely dying. I'm like, sir, you think cutting your, cutting his legs off is just going to slow down how quickly he dies? You know what I mean mean Like this is not a good plan.
Captain:But Mateus, even like can hear them talking and he tells them to do it, which then you're like fuck, I feel like if he's telling me to, I should, but like Wilson I was, so I don't think I would be able to in that situation, like I would vote against it.
Wilson:Yeah, they voted. Yeah, be able to, in that situation, like I would vote against it. Yeah, they voted, yeah, yeah, and they even like, wow, I. I feel like they did a terrible job, though trying to cauterize it afterwards, because, like he had still these severely bloody stumps, and then this is where the vines came in and, like, took his feet that were, yeah, his dead legs away.
Wilson:They were like thanks for the lunch yeah, this was the part where I'm like why have these vines like this guy's been laying here for like a day and a half? They don't pull him away because he is like?
Captain:I think I mean. The only thing I can guess, which they probably explain this more in the book, is that like they can only eat dead or dying, so it's like yeah, but that guy was already almost out the door he took his dead legs, but the rest of him is alive. Well, yeah. He's going to eat the dead part.
Wilson:There's just some things that don't make sense, unless this plant is just malicious and it's playing with them.
Captain:Torture plant yeah, yeah. We see those.
Wilson:Yeah, all the time.
Captain:I mean I I feel like again, this would probably be more explained in the book, but I wasn't mad about it. I don't know it made enough sense that, like they, only so far we have only ever seen them eat, and throughout the whole movie they only ever eat the dead or dying. They'll attack live, but they won't like eat them well, I mean, what's her face?
Wilson:uh, stacy just had that cut on her leg, but it was like it was trying to get her okay, she would like cut her face and her leg and her stomach, like well, like later later that.
Captain:No, like the first scene in the tent where yeah, yeah, yeah well, I think it's because, like the first scene in the tent where it like yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think it's because, like the gash in her leg, like technically, the skin in that area is dead or dying.
Wilson:Okay, you're saying like very flexible logic here.
Captain:Well, I didn't write it, Okay. So anyway, yes, okay. So they cut his legs off Nasty, they break the bones. The movie one poor one out would be how juicy it is in certain scenes Very bloody, very bloody. Um, they cut his, they break his bones, they cut his legs off. They use a frying pan to cauterize. Um, it's no anesthesia, no anal analgesics, and he's screaming the whole time. Like you know, the idea is that he can't feel his legs. I'm like he can definitely feel his legs. And amy even says to jeff like I don't understand how you could do this, like he literally was screaming, please stop. Apparently, while that was happening, like they were listening to it from the tent, I was like jeff, are you a psychopath?
Wilson:yeah, I don't know what they're trying to tell there. Like it's just. Is this just an inexperienced soon-to-be doctor trying to be cool, or like he?
Captain:seemed a little too quick to cutting. He seemed really into cutting. I was like if this man was allowed to live, I feel like he would eventually make it up on dexter's table. He seemed really excited about cutting. I don't know um, and you know he blows amy off by just saying like it's just a visual thing. He can't actually feel um sure yeah, I know, like sure, um.
Captain:And then jeff realizes that um, like he goes down to the bottom at that night and he, you know, talks to the or like watches the mayans and sees as they watch him, they like follow him as he walks around the temple, um, which I didn't think much of until it comes up later in the movie. So it's just nice to see that. And then I think the next morning Stacy is like she's pretty gone, or they cut into her too. Right, they cut the vines out of her body too.
Wilson:Yeah, they do realize she was actually telling the truth and saying that she had stuff inside her. So they cut it out of her back and her leg. Mentally unwell, yeah, unwell, yeah, yes yes, she's like crashing out.
Captain:Oh, she also the vines play a trick on her, where she hears her best friend and her boyfriend moaning oh, she was wild now in this scene yeah, and they were like he.
Captain:They were literally just crying and comforting each other, but she was like no, you were fucking each other directly outside of the tent while I was in the tent. I'm like girl, relax, but I think the flowers were, uh, mimicking, moaning, I guess. So you know, that's what she heard, um, but she is not doing well, like she's crashing out and she's telling them to cut her wounds, and you know, they grab the vines out of her body but, like um, she just wants to cut her wounds even more. There's like this interesting scene where the flowers are screaming at her um, and it's like an orchestra of voices, as all the flowers are making it and it sounded really cool.
Captain:I was like really down with the flowers with a new album just dropped um, I mean, scott can also be a musician at this point. He does everything else. Um, okay, and then?
Wilson:so she well, she, this is where you think she's crazy, right, because even after they pull him out, she's still screaming about it yes but then we find out she was.
Captain:She is still diviney yes, I mean she wakes up the next morning.
Wilson:I took about when she wakes up the next morning to grab the knife by herself yeah, like yeah, I feel like we think she's crazy, but like whenever everyone else wakes up, you can still see them like crawling inside her oh yeah, briefly, they.
Captain:They think that she's just mentally like not handling. I mean, they don't have a lot of water, they don't have a lot of food, they have like liquor and that's mostly all they have, so like she's not nourished. But she wakes up early next day and grabs the knife herself and she's just start slicing everywhere, like her leg, her forehead, her abdomen, um, and her. The rest of her party wakes up to see that she's knifing herself, um, and while they try to get it from her, she slices eric's hand open and that doesn't do anything, but then she stabs her boyfriend in the heart with it by accident, but like by accident, and I'm like one more for the vines.
Wilson:So the, the best character we had so far, just knocked you liked eric the best well, he was like the most level-headed, I feel like yeah, they.
Captain:I feel like jeff's supposed to be the most level-headed as a med student, but it's like he's really into slicing um. Oh wait, no, I mean, wait what am I talking about?
Wilson:oh, I was talking about.
Captain:I was thinking about the other guy jeff, no, yeah, the one that yeah, got stabbed oh, okay, yeah, no, I think the doctor is the the most level-headed level-headed. Yeah, um, and stacy is like freaking out that she killed her boyfriend. She's like you should just kill me. Um, I don't want to be here. I'm half dead anyway because I'm bleeding everywhere. So, um, I think we don't actually see that she dies.
Wilson:But right, but she just but we hear like a gunshot or like a, a sobbing stopped or whatever they yeah, the crying stopped.
Captain:Yeah, I don't think they had a gun, they had a knife you're right, yeah, so they just stabbed her, um, jeff's down.
Captain:He's like I'll kill you, sure? Um, amy, obviously not, not about it. Um, okay, so then you know, finally we see jeff make up, makes a plan with amy to escape. They're like smearing stacy's blood all over their bodies and or all over her body. And then Jeff tells her, like you know, no matter what happens, you just need to run. Like they have keys for a van and he gives them to her and he's like you need to make it to the van and you just need to keep going, don't wait for anybody, including me.
Captain:Um, so Jeff carries her down the temple stairs, which looks like she's a dead corpse, and he then, like lays her on the ground and then provokes and berates the Mayans, drawing their attention like away from Amy. So he does that thing where he was doing previously, where he was like walking down around the temple and they're just following him as he's talking to them. And then, once the signal goesy, gets up and she starts running. Um, and they eventually shoot jeff with arrows and a gun. But they don't. They're, they're really far behind amy because she starts running before they even realize that she got up. Um, so they're like chasing after her. She's like dodging arrows, but she does make her way to the van and they always do that thing where they make it to the car, where they're freaking out with the keys and they can't get them in the hole, but she does and the van starts and she gets to escape the temple.
Captain:Now, is this good for humanity?
Wilson:No, but I guess we don't know how.
Captain:That she has vines.
Wilson:Yeah, like is it just if it's growing on her like the little fuzz or?
Captain:I mean, if she like burns those clothes and then showers and then like makes sure she doesn't have any cuts on her for the next couple of days, she's probably fine.
Wilson:Yeah, I don't know if the movie is Trying to say like the world's now ruined, but I didn't get that vibe.
Captain:I didn't get that vibe either. Like the hopeful that somebody made it out is, I think the vibe they were going for. But I wasn't expecting anybody to make it out, to be honest. Yeah.
Captain:But, and then the very last scene we see is that Jeff was right the whole time, that Dimitri's friends do come looking for him, the Greeks, because they had a copy of the map, and you see a final scene of them walking up towards the temple. Um, as they're about to look for him, which I don't think we really needed, that scene either, like this front and this, these bookends I don't know if we really needed them yeah, it doesn't really add anything.
Wilson:Um the the ending one's a little better than the beginning because it's like what? Yeah I really don't get why this is here.
Captain:I would almost rather which I know this probably is overdone a lot, but I would almost rather get a hinge that maybe the vines are on their way to ruin humanity than those scenes that did nothing for me, like I'd rather the scene actually like do something, mean something, than like here's, here's some other things. Yeah, you know yeah I would. I don't know that. I would rather take that um.
Wilson:But I did see there was an alternate ending yes, there is an alternate ending.
Captain:There's actually like a decent amount of hot goose on here. What do you want me to? You want me to start with the goose, or?
Wilson:uh, yeah, but can you do the alternate ending?
Captain:I'm curious about that okay, so the alternate ending is on the dvd. You know I don't buy dvds, I know you do, but that is the one thing that we're missed like we miss in today's culture is like the extras on the dvd of the commentary director's commentary and the deleted scenes and alternate endings. Sometimes that stuff is cool, so okay. But the alternate ending shows Amy driving away from her after she escapes and she looks in the rearview mirror and she sees a small line moving under her skin, just below her eye. The next scene takes place sometime later in a cemetery. The caretaker whistles a song. When he hears something repeat it, he finds that the sound is coming from a flower on a tombstone which was revealed to be amy's, who died upon returning home. The carnivorous sound mimicking vines are now growing outside of her grave, which I love that way better. I love that way better. I love that way better.
Captain:Apparently, carter Smith told an interviewer that they shot a bunch of different stuff to see which one they would think would work best and they did a bunch of different testing audiences. And it can be frustrating to do all of that, but they really, you know, wanted a good sense of what the audience would think about the ending. So their final decision was from was informed by what audiences found most satisfying, which is watching somebody make their way out. Um they, they thought that the audience you know wouldn't necessarily want to see everybody that they just watched for 90 minutes die.
Captain:So, I just wish that they went with the other ending, Like that would have been so much better.
Wilson:Yeah, I'm trying to understand how that would work, though. So they're just saying, like the close-up showed she had vines. Yeah, like she looked at herself in the mirror and she had vines, and then I guess, she died, so she made it home I guess, and then they buried her.
Captain:But it just feels kind of interesting, like Well, she's dead, so she's dying, yeah, but like would no one notice the vines infecting her body?
Wilson:or like do an autopsy?
Captain:vines infecting her body or like do an autopsy the funeral? I would have questions because they would embalm her. If anything, we should see vines like at the mortician's table. You know what I mean yeah before they embalm, like that's.
Captain:what I would actually prefer to see is, like as they were preparing her for a funeral. You know, there's like's like some conversation about like yeah, they're not really sure, like why she died Some type of something that she got from Mexico, and then, like, one of them gets a vine in them. That would be cool.
Wilson:I like that would be cool. I'm just thinking about I want to watch that alternate ending.
Captain:Oh, I don't know how you're going to do. You have the DVD.
Wilson:No, but it's on YouTube.
Captain:Oh, interesting. I kind of want to read the book I already added it to my Goodreads. Oh, time to add it to my Goodreads.
Wilson:There we go.
Captain:What's its Goodreads review?
Wilson:I didn't look that close, honestly.
Captain:Wilson wants to read. Read. I haven't done that in a long time. Oh, did I already add it to my want to read? Oh, I already did.
Wilson:All right, wow, okay all right, what are there? Um, okay, yeah, what other hot costs you got?
Captain:okay. Well, do you want to get to the nums really quick? Because oh yeah yeah, okay, so the critics score is a 51, audience scores the 30, so this is technically like a not great movie. I gave it to you on there a 2.8 on letterbox and the budget was 25 mil and the box office was 22.9 mil, so they didn't meet their quota.
Captain:I feel like that score is a little rough, like I don't think this movie's that bad I don't either honestly kind of did too, which I was not expecting I, I, I don't know, I mean more explanation about the vines. Maybe they could have given me and like changing the alternate ending, just they already shot a good alternate ending, like just making it that one instead honestly would have would have been better. But like I'm not mad about this, like I would probably give this like a three and a half on letterbox okay, I was thinking um, I was thinking three, but like, yeah, that's like right around there yeah, I think if I had to give a percentage, did you already rate it?
Captain:I was about to right now. If I had to give a percentage, did you?
Wilson:already rate it.
Captain:I was about to, right now if I had to give a percentage for this movie, um, what's a 3.5? What is that? At 70, uh, I think that's a 70. Yeah, um, I'd give it a 71, wow percentage.
Wilson:Okay, I mean okay. So while I liked it, I gave it a 55 percent wow, it's better than a 55.
Captain:Wilson. We've seen 55s.
Wilson:Yeah, maybe I'll bump it up.
Captain:Bump it up a little.
Wilson:My letterbox is, I think, staying at three, though.
Captain:Okay, well, that's a 60. All right, I like that. I always make you smudge your numbers. Okay, so in the novel there are ruins to speak of, but it's like a hill overgrown with the vines, or sorry. There's no ruins to speak of, sorry, it's just like a hill with overgrown vines, um, and a shaft cut into it. I guess the film rights were purchased before the novel was published. I already talked about that. It was shot primarily in Australia. Oh, this is the thing that you cheated.
Captain:Australia in the winter. So apparently heavy coats were provided for actors in between takes and their sweat was done with like olive oil spread on their bodies because it was really cold. And you said at one point.
Wilson:You saw goosebumps on one of them. I swear I saw just like a ripple of goosebumps across her chest.
Captain:But they do a good job of looking hot. It looks sunny. You see the glistening on them very frequently. Um, so they that part of. I don't know if that's costume or special effects, but that department did a good job. Oh yeah.
Captain:And then we talked about the ultra ending already. Oh, I thought there was more. Oh yes, the character played by Sean Ashmore wears a T-shirt with a symbol that resembles a bullseye. Director Carter Smith remarked on the DVD commentary that that was very deliberate. Apparently, ashmore wears a t-shirt with a symbol that resembles a bullseye. Director carter smith remarked on the dvd commentary that that was very deliberate, apparently oh for getting stabbed in the heart yeah, um, so again it's like we're losing these awesome endings and director commentaries.
Captain:I guess you still buy dvds yeah, I don't.
Captain:I very rarely even look at the extras, but I like knowing they're there I think what ruined like spending the time and looking at those for me was the wali movie. We had that on dvd and they had legitimately like over an hour of extras on that dvd and I remember watching them being like huh, I don't think I need to spend time doing this Like I don't know. We watched them anyway, but not necessary. Yes, is that everything? Yeah, I did already tell you my rag. The initial phone flowers, mimicking, theicking the phone. Do you have a rag?
Wilson:uh, I didn't think about this in advance, um okay, well, can I?
Captain:I can give you another, as you're thinking. I can say like a, a special mention okay um the scene where matthias is screaming bloody murder because his legs are being cut off. I like that. Briefly, they pan a shot of the locals at the bottom, and it's just a good shot, because the locals seem entirely unbothered at the bottom, as if they're not reacting to this in any way, like they're expecting screams to be happening. And.
Captain:I thought that shot was really cool to see that opposite happening at the bottom than what's happening at the top.
Wilson:Yeah, I remember thinking something along those lines while we were watching it. It's just another day for these people.
Captain:Yes, it really is. Yeah, okay, okay, did that help.
Wilson:Yeah, um, okay, okay. So yeah, I think my razor glass is probably like the first like big ick scene. Um, that got me. It was just when she woke up, freaked out and like pulled that vine out of her leg yeah, it's nasty.
Captain:I mean, it's like wrapped around her calf and stacy does a good job of freaking out she does it's a good actress fair, fair, fair um. Is that all we? Is that all we got next time, do you?
Wilson:want next time we got it.
Captain:Next time got it next time we're doing stream, which is a 2024 movie with our bestie Dee Wallace.
Wilson:Dee Wallace, that was a couple years ago now.
Captain:Yes. That was a hot minute Like over 60 episodes ago. Yeah, go check it out, it's Critters 70 episodes ago, yeah, 75, something like that. Yeah, so we're doing which. I think in the interview with her she talks about this movie briefly as something she's working on oh maybe not something that sounds familiar I think she brought this up briefly, which is when I put it on the list wow I know, okay, so yeah, we're doing stream next time.
Captain:Um, oh man, I feel like, if you're looking for advice about this to me, I mean, there are so many bad decisions that are made so I don't even know, I don't even know where to start. Um, I mean, I think I think I'll start at the main one, which is where they got in all this trouble, where it's like, if it, if somebody who you don't know approaches you on your vacation and tries to get you to go somewhere or sell you something, it's a scam and that's real advice.