Below

This week, Captain and Wilson hop aboard the USS Tiger Shark as they discuss the 2002 horror, "Below," directed by David Twohy. It stars Bruce Greenwood, Matthew Davis, Olivia Williams, Holt McCallany, Scott Foley, and Zach Galifianakis.

The film discussion begins around 16:30.

Chapters

• 0:00 Drinks, Vibes, And Vacation Bits
• 2:14 Disaster Plans And Tectonic Plates
• 6:30 Earth Layers, Shields, And Movie Tangents
• 9:52 Indie Horror: Good Boy Review
• 13:55 Presence, Sixth Sense, And Watchlists
• 16:40 Movie Catch‑Up And Theater Plans
• 18:34 Show Open: Episode 180 Setup
• 19:52 Introducing Below (2002) And Creators
• 22:25 Cast Rundown And Notable Roles
• 28:31 Plot Setup: Rescue And Rising Tension
• 32:10 Sabotage, The Shooting, And Haunting Signs
• 36:05 Repairs, Deaths, And The Ghost’s Motive
• 40:26 The Big Reveal And Moral Fallout
• 44:10 Collapse, Surface, And Final Fates
• 47:36 Ratings, Box Office, And Reception
• 51:05 Best Scenes, Scares, And Comparisons
• 54:30 Trivia, Production, And Set Design
• 58:12 Final Verdicts And Next Film Tease

Transcript

Captain: 0:17

How are we?

Wilson: 0:19

Uh yeah, we're here.

Captain: 0:20

The vibe.

Wilson: 0:21

The vibe is right. Have a drink.

Captain: 0:24

I do have a drink. I'm drinking a Corona premiere.

Wilson: 0:28

I'm drinking a Kona premiere. No. Um we were at uh I was thinking about texting you, but then I was like, this means nothing.

Captain: 0:38

Um I love your cat background actor, by the way, right now. Sorry.

Wilson: 0:42

Uh yeah, he's I don't know what he's doing. Um we were at a family function last weekend, and you know, it was outdoors, the weather was beautiful. I opened up the cooler outside, filled with Kona, and I was like. I've I had never I just I I don't really see Kona in the wild.

Captain: 1:02

Peaked.

Wilson: 1:03

Yeah, to open that cooler and see that, I was like, uh yes.

Captain: 1:08

It's like um you see that meme that's like smells like day drinking? It's like that like bliss space, yeah.

Wilson: 1:15

Oh yep, yep. Yeah. So we're doing good. Doing good.

Captain: 1:21

Does did were you were Konas acquired because of you, or just generally people like uh it wasn't because of me, because it was like family we don't see super often. Oh.

Wilson: 1:32

So I don't know how they they came across it, and I don't publicize that I like co- I mean I don't I don't just inject it in a conversation, even though I bring it up on the podcast all the time. Um it very rarely comes up at any other time, but uh yeah.

Captain: 1:48

Well now that I feel like now that I've been on vacation with uh Jay's family, I feel like everybody anytime they find anything blueberry, they're gonna be like, oh, we have to get captain. We have to get captain this. Um but I mean I did save the day a little because everybody was drinking the Nantuckets by the end. So uh Um, okay. Um I have two things in here. One of them's really random, like super random. I don't know if you had anything you wanted to talk about.

Wilson: 2:22

Um I don't think so.

Captain: 2:25

Okay, so this first one is not even related to anything, but um I it's gonna sound so weird. Okay, so like for my job, you have to make a disaster plan, like what you would do in case of emergency, right?

Wilson: 2:41

Okay, yeah.

Captain: 2:42

Um, and like I I teach other people on like getting certified in this field, and like they talk about one of the things you have to learn about is a disaster plan, right? Okay, whatever. Um, okay. One of the things that they mention is that you should make a disaster plan for things that would most likely affect your building, but like you're not gonna make a disaster plan for everything, right? Like if you're nowhere near the ocean, you're not gonna plan for like tsunamis or like monsoons or whatever. Okay, um, and I was looking into like uh just things like that. Okay, I didn't know this, but like, so like we know earthquakes are caused by tectonic plates, right?

Wilson: 3:22

Sure, yeah.

Captain: 3:23

But there's the main center of the tectonic plate is called the shield. And it's like made of like all these like um you know high grade rocks that uh form tectonically stable areas, which I just think is fun. But essentially like the center of all the tectonic plates, like those areas like basically never have earthquakes. Um Canada, most of Canada is like all on a shield, so nice for them.

Wilson: 3:52

Okay, so you said the shield is like the middle of a plate.

Captain: 3:55

The middle of the plate, basically. So like they just never have earthquakes. Because like, you know, we've like I've always lived somewhere along the coast where like, you know, the chance for earthquakes slim, but it's not like we won't have them. Like we had that one in college that we all felt, and I mean I we've had a f one here that I felt. Um obviously California like is exactly on the edge of a plate, so like sucks for that. Uh that area. Um, but yeah, there's like a huge plate that's most of Canada, um, a large chunk of South America is on a plate, um, a large chunk of Africa's like on a on a shield. It's called a shield, sorry. Um, so yeah, I just thought that was interesting. Cause like I don't know what that's like to like I mean, imagine I I don't know. It's not that I was like terrified of earthquakes or anything, but like to be in an area where you know that's never even a possibility is like kind of interesting to think about.

Wilson: 4:50

Yeah. And I um like I get the concept of the of tectonic plates, but I've never been able to like visualize them really well. Like I know they say they like move around, but I'm like, I just Oh really? I need to see like a a semi-realistic graphic. Because I've seen like cartoon drawings, and I'm like, I mean like I get it, but at the same time, I don't know.

Captain: 5:13

Yeah, I don't know. I've always imagined it in my head as like, yeah, these like metalish, rockish, giant like slabs under the earth and they form a sphere, and like but the edges of them sometimes just rock into each other, and they're so deep that like that little rocking that they do, it just you know is big on the surface.

Wilson: 5:34

That's crazy.

Captain: 5:37

Now, how scientists even figured out that we had plates, I have no fucking idea. Like, I don't even know how you would come to that conclusion that that's what's happening.

Wilson: 5:46

I mean, I think it was like uh I mean I don't I guess I don't know whenever that like theory or the not theory now, but you know, when that came to be. But I imagine maybe around the time that they got the um whatever that I don't know what that's called, but the thing where like the I know they use it-I don't know what you're saying. I know they use it in tremors. They like put a thing in the ground and it's like uh a seismograph, but like something that can like kind of map. I don't I guess the seismograph can't actually map the ground, but something that can like look into the earth and kind of map things. Maybe I don't I don't fucking know. I'm not a geologist. Um when I saw this link in there, I thought you were gonna talk about the show The Shield.

Captain: 6:28

I I figured because I feel like that's would be the most real uh related to our podcast than the other thing, but no.

Wilson: 6:38

No.

Captain: 6:39

Um I keep trying to like look into Tectonic Plates, but I'm accidentally clicking on the film Tectonic Plates, um, which is Is it a documentary or is just like a fiction just straight up called Tectonic Plates? Um it is a oh my god, Wikipedia's trying to get money out of me. Um it is a Canadian film. I don't know, it says independent film.

Wilson: 7:00

You mean the people that are on a shield created a movie about tectonic plates and earthquakes? What you said Canada's on a shield.

Captain: 7:09

Oh, that's funny. Um That's funny. Um I don't think this has anything to do with earthquakes. It has nothing to do with earthquakes. I don't know why it's called that. It says this girl disappears and then or her lover disappears and then she kills herself.

Wilson: 7:29

Are they trying to say that the girl and her lover are like two tectonic plates?

Captain: 7:34

Just like Yeah. Well, that's exactly right.

Wilson: 7:38

They split and I don't know. Who knows?

Captain: 7:42

Who the F knows? Um oh the lithosphere. Man, I haven't heard that about that in forever.

Wilson: 7:51

Good old lithosphere.

Captain: 7:56

Um, I this reminds me I'm sorry, this is so random. This reminds me of a seventh grade science project that we had to do to um when we learned about all of the layers of the earth and the tectonic plates.

Wilson: 8:09

Uh-huh.

Captain: 8:10

Um, because we had to make our own like cross section of the earth with edible food. Um, and then we ate them all like in class. Like everybody brought one in. But you had to make the layers like the same consistency. So like if it was a molten layer, you had to make it out of something like goopy, and then if it was like a harder layer, you had to make that out of something like harder. Yeah. So like um, yeah, I remember we did that, and some of them were really nasty. Like, it would be like mush together fruit roll-ups as like the outside layer, and then like Hershey's chocolate was like the molten layer. Like, I mean, we were like what 11-year-old no 12 something year old kids that were just like making a mess, but um I just I don't know, I still remember that to this day for some reason.

Wilson: 8:55

I feel like a crunch wrap supreme would be a good like earth because there's like that tostada inside that would be like the plates, and you got your mushy stuff in there. What did you do?

Captain: 9:06

I don't even remember.

Wilson: 9:07

I remember I was the fruit roll-up kid.

Captain: 9:10

No, I I remember having a really hard time figuring out what I wanted to do for the molten layer because like there weren't a lot of options for like what's you know liquid, but not like you know, but like viscous. I can't remember what I chose. But like, yeah, there's not that many options like Hershey syrup or honey. Yeah, maple Yeah, maple syrup, yeah. I don't know, something like that.

Wilson: 9:39

But curdled milk.

Captain: 9:46

F for the project, but for other reasons. Um anyway, okay. The other thing I really do want to talk about is I did finally get to see Good Boy, the movie.

Wilson: 9:56

Ooh, okay, how was it?

Captain: 9:57

It was very cute, it was good. Um obviously I looked up and make sure the dog doesn't die, right? Before we watched it. Um but yeah, the I mean it's an independent film, so this guy um basically filmed his dog, um, and it took three years to make this movie, right? Because his dog is not an actor. At the end of the movie, they have a um little like um, you know, debrief from the director. Um, so he talks about it. Um but yeah, they they do a really good job of making the dog seem very emotive, like with the um like with the shading that they do and the lighting um and the music. Um so like the dog seems very emotive. Um but the story is pretty good. Like I mean, obviously, like it's a dog actor is your main point of contact con contact. So like um, you know, it it could be more emotive if it was a human that could talk, but for a dog actor, like it was really it was really good. Like I gave it four stars. Um yeah, they did a good job of making creepy things. Um they got me with a jump scare. Um I would recommend. I'll probably watch it.

Wilson: 11:11

I just kind of forgot it was coming out.

Captain: 11:13

Yeah, they did a good job of showing it from a dog's perspective, where it's like, yeah, the world's just a very different way, you understand it, because it's all just like yeah, it's there's just the perspective is very different. Um But yeah, at the end they do this little like yeah, debrief where he talks about like he he ha he like repeats himself over and over. He was like, I cannot um make this clear enough, but like you know, Indy, his dog, is like not an actor. So like they literally film this slowly over the course of three years in their own house, like him and his wife. Yeah. Um yeah, Shudder took it on because like Shudder's in the in the opening uh production people. Um but it I mean, yeah, otherwise it's it's a pretty independent film.

Wilson: 11:54

Um that's that's impressive.

Captain: 11:56

Yeah, the the they like even have the effects in the movie that are good. Like I'm I'm not mad about them at all, so I I would definitely recommend for sure.

Wilson: 12:07

Okay.

Captain: 12:08

Um yeah, but it's a very different concept. Like I don't think you'd ever ever have seen a movie like this. All from a dog's perspective, and it's like a horror movie. So uh yeah.

Wilson: 12:20

Did you ever watch um that movie Presence, which I think is from the ghost perspective or the spirits perspective?

Captain: 12:29

Oh, that sounds familiar.

Wilson: 12:31

I haven't seen it, but that reminded me of it.

Captain: 12:36

Is this newer?

Wilson: 12:37

I think it came out last year, yeah.

Captain: 12:40

Okay, I don't think I've seen this.

Wilson: 12:42

I thought it looked good. I just never got around to it.

Captain: 12:45

Yeah, the critic score is really good. The audience score is okay. I mean, it's in the 50s, but the critic scores, yeah. Um shit. That's another one for the Leas. Um no, I I have not seen that. I mean, the Sixth Sense is kind of from the ghost perspective.

Wilson: 13:06

Well, yeah, I guess technically, yes.

Captain: 13:11

I mean, that's the first thing I think of when you say that.

Wilson: 13:14

Well, yeah, but like you don't find that out until the very end.

Captain: 13:17

Well, yeah. I'm adding this to my watch list.

Wilson: 13:20

That does remind me, I kind of want to rewatch the sixth sense.

Captain: 13:23

Okay, we did that for the podcast. Yeah, like forever ago.

Wilson: 13:28

Years and years.

Captain: 13:30

That was in the top 10 or top 20 or something, right?

Wilson: 13:33

Probably. Um Do you want me to look?

Captain: 13:36

Ah, it's fine. Um yeah, but that's that's oh, I did see um one other movie. I saw The Long Walk.

Wilson: 13:47

How was that?

Captain: 13:48

Um, it was alright.

Wilson: 13:50

Okay. Cause I was deciding I was like kinda wanted to see it because I heard it was good, but I was like, do I want to read it?

Captain: 13:56

It's a good story, but it's exactly kind of how you would think it would end. Like it doesn't there's no like I'm watching and I know what's gonna happen, so like I'm not really I'm not like you know, on the edge of my seat. Like it's just like I'm I'm on this journey that I know how it's gonna end, and I'm just kinda watching it happen. Um and then we we did see um one bottle battle at a one battle after another, too.

Wilson: 14:23

Oh yeah, we saw that that was really good.

Captain: 14:25

Yeah, it was good. Um yeah. I think Leonardo DiCaprio does such a good job of playing like um I don't know, like not holding it together like older male. Like I've seen him do that role a lot of times now.

Wilson: 14:43

Like and I'm not tired of it yet.

Captain: 14:45

Yeah, but I mean, even starting back at like Wolf of Wall Street, which was like what more than 10 years ago, I feel like since then I've been like, oh, he loves this role of like not organized or like in charge, but doing lots of things. Um I don't think I have any movies that I'm like on the horizon of going to see.

Wilson: 15:13

Yeah, I don't think we have anything but plan. Yeah, no, not yet. I'll have to work on that.

Captain: 15:24

Yeah, I know. I'm like, I I wanna use my oh my gosh. They're playing trick-or-treat in theaters.

Wilson: 15:34

I think um man, if if I thought about this more in advance, I think we should have slipped in like an extra episode of like let's revisit years later.

Captain: 15:48

I kind of wanted to make that for the two oh, I should have done that for the two hundredth episode.

Wilson: 15:55

Hmm. Okay.

Captain: 15:56

Yeah, I was like I could wiggle it around.

Wilson: 15:58

We could either do that for 200 or when we hit like 10 years, 10 year anniversary.

Captain: 16:03

I mean Oh, which one will be first?

Wilson: 16:06

What do we have right now?

Captain: 16:07

Ten years would be for uh we have 20 episodes to go. It would be like well no, we have more than we have more than that. We have oh yeah, sorry, 20. I'm stupid. I am stupid and I'm dumb. Jesus.

Wilson: 16:24

Alright. Well, do we wanna Yeah?

Captain: 16:27

Do we wanna do we wanna dive?

Wilson: 16:29

You wanna get in there?

Captain: 16:31

Oh, we're diving.

Wilson: 16:33

Alright. Uh welcome to the 180th episode of the Red Run podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two.

Captain: 16:43

And I'm Captain.

Wilson: 16:44

And I'm Wilson. Alright, and everyone, get ready. I'm gonna put my hat on here.

Captain: 16:49

Oh my gosh. What is that?

Wilson: 16:53

We're gonna dive. This is my uh this is my uh uh Nostromo hat from Alien.

Captain: 17:02

So different with that hat on. It's like kind of crazy. Uh it really like punches the mustache like out.

Wilson: 17:12

It's a it's a mustache day. Uh and it feels pretty fitting for a an underwater submarine movie.

Captain: 17:21

Trying to do like a horn.

Wilson: 17:24

Uh so this week we're gonna dive right into the 2002 submarine supernatural horror film Below.

Captain: 17:31

Um loving these uh puns.

Wilson: 17:34

Puns, yep, yep. Uh so this was um directed by David Tohey. Uh he's most notably known for the Chronicles of Riddick. I didn't watch those. Did you see any of those?

Captain: 17:48

Uh no. Couldn't even tell you what they're about, to be honest.

Wilson: 17:51

He wrote Critters 2. I don't remember what happens in that one. Claim to Fame. A uh and Pitch Black. I don't think I've seen that. Doesn't sound familiar.

Captain: 18:02

The writer of this movie is m way more famous.

Wilson: 18:04

Oh, yeah. Darren Aronofsky. Um This was so this was his feature film that he wrote. This is like the is that what you're showing?

Captain: 18:15

The debut The Debut, yeah.

Wilson: 18:17

Okay. Um so he wrote um he wrote this film, um, but you'll know him from you know, Pi, um Rec Room for a Dream, Mother, um and The Whale.

Captain: 18:30

Oh, yeah, I still haven't seen The Whale.

Wilson: 18:32

I really like The Whale.

Captain: 18:33

Um I mean, I heard it was good, yeah.

Wilson: 18:36

Some people did not. Uh Mother, I felt like was polarizing. I remember I watched it when it came out. I did not know it was happening.

Captain: 18:43

I didn't know it was happening either. And I was like, this is well not what I thought it was gonna be.

Wilson: 18:48

Yeah, absolutely not. I think I would like to revisit it now that I've like seen more movies and maybe can appreciate it more.

Captain: 18:56

I have not seen Pi, but I have yeah, this is a reminds me of a different movie I watched called Um Jacob Sladder, about like a really good mathematician that psychological thriller stuff. Hmm, okay this is a different mathematician who does other psychological stuff, I think. Yeah, it's a sci-fi? Yeah, thriller sci-fi is what it says.

Wilson: 19:22

Oh, it's like that pie.

Captain: 19:25

Yeah, not like yum yum pie.

Wilson: 19:28

Well, I know there's like life of pie, and I don't think that's related to like pie.

Captain: 19:33

What is that one?

Wilson: 19:34

Uh isn't there like a kid in a boat, and there's like a tiger? Tiger, yeah. I never saw it.

Captain: 19:42

Yeah, but I don't know why it's called that. Whatever. This is so off.

Wilson: 19:47

Look, we're gonna move so much cast. Yeah.

Captain: 19:50

The cast list of numbers of names is so crazy. So we gotta get in there.

Wilson: 19:55

Okay. So first we have uh Matthew Davis who plays Ensign Douglas Odell. Um he was in is known for Legally Blonde. That's why he looked familiar.

Captain: 20:04

Okay, he's Warner.

Wilson: 20:06

Yeah, the boyfriend to uh uh L. Um he was in the show What about Brian? Didn't watch that. Uh he was also known for vampire diaries.

Captain: 20:16

Mm-hmm. He but I mostly know him as Warren from Legally Blonde.

Wilson: 20:21

Huntington the third. Uh then we have Bruce Greenwood. Um it was uh interesting because the night I watched this movie, which was last night, um, I restarted the house followed the House of Usher, which he is also in. So it was just like a very Bruce Greenwood night. Um so he was uh I guess he's played the president of it uh three times.

Captain: 20:48

Yeah, in three different like movies or shows. Yeah. He's like known for doing the president as his role.

Wilson: 20:54

Um he played Christopher Pike in the first uh Star Trek movie that JJ Abrams did. Um he's in National Treasure, The Kingsman, the Golden Circle. Um he's in Doctor Sleep, and like I said, he was in the House of the Fall of Usher. The fall of the House of Wait.

Captain: 21:15

The Fall of the House of Usher, yeah.

Wilson: 21:17

Yeah, I don't know why all the ofs just like threw me off.

Captain: 21:21

Um it's very Poe. Poe Not by Poe.

Wilson: 21:27

Exactly. Uh then we have Olivia Williams who plays Claire. Um speaking of the Sixth Sense, she was in the Sixth Sense. Um The Counterpart. Um she was in The Crown playing uh Camilla.

Captain: 21:43

Yeah, that's where I mostly know her from is The Crown.

Wilson: 21:47

And she was in uh the TV show Dune Prophecy. I haven't watched that yet.

Captain: 21:53

I haven't either. Tula.

Wilson: 21:56

Tula. Um all right, then we have Holt McEl McLeaney. I don't know.

Captain: 22:01

McLain McCalaney, yeah.

Wilson: 22:04

Yeah, um, I recognize him most from Mindhunter. So he was a he was a young boy in this movie.

Captain: 22:10

Um, yeah, his role in Mindhunters is yeah, he's like the the wiser, older dude. Yeah.

Wilson: 22:16

Yeah. Um he was in Lights Out. You said not that one, so not the not the one we did.

Captain: 22:22

Yeah, something else called Lights Out.

Wilson: 22:24

Um Fight Club, Three Kings, Shot Caller, Wrath of Man, Nightmare Alley, the Iron Claw. I did see the Iron Claw. That was really good.

Captain: 22:33

Oh, yeah?

Wilson: 22:34

I like that.

Captain: 22:34

I watched the um there was that TV show called Oh, I don't know.

Wilson: 22:40

Iron Fist. Oh. Sorry. Nope.

Captain: 22:44

Holl Hollywood monsters or something. Um The Iron Claw's about that wrestling family, right?

Wilson: 22:50

Yeah.

Captain: 22:51

Yeah. The in that that sh um show, I think it's on HBO, they had an episode about it. So I watched the episode and they had the like the actual family members themselves being interviewed. Oh. Um, and that episode was good, but I I never watched the movie. No.

Wilson: 23:04

Yeah.

Captain: 23:04

I don't like care about wrestling at all, and I found in the movies it's still really I I mean the story sounds I mean, the story is really compelling, so I get it.

Wilson: 23:13

Super sad. Um then we have Scott Foley who plays Lieutenant Junior Grade Steven. Um he was in the unit, Scrubs, Felicity, Scandal, um, if you love Scream 3, he played Roman. Um, he guest starred on Grey's Anatomy like everyone else. Oh, I was like, why does he look so familiar? Dude, I don't think I saw him that young before.

Captain: 23:42

Scott Foley is like that face that you see in so many things that you're like, oh, it's that guy. But you like don't know his name, but I his face is like, yeah, very recognizable. I I think I mostly know him from I mean, I've watched Scrubs, I watched Scandal, Scream 3, like Grace Anatomy, I watched all those things, so but I feel like it's probably Scandal that I know him from the most, because I like was diving deep into that. But you know, I did watch all of Scrubs too. I don't know, it's one of those, but um, yeah, very recognizable. And probably well, probably the second most famous person after the next person you re you the last guy on the cast list.

Wilson: 24:27

Oh yeah, this one caught me off guard. This is like a a baby Zach Galfinakis.

Captain: 24:32

I didn't recognize him at first.

Wilson: 24:34

I was like, I know those eyes and that voice. The voice. But he didn't have the he didn't have the beard. Um, and it threw me off. But yeah. So he's in here.

Captain: 24:45

Yeah, he has like a beard, but the facial hair is not what you remember from Zach. Like, so it yeah, it just doesn't look like him at first, yeah.

Wilson: 24:53

Yeah. Um, so obviously, you know from Hangover, I feel like he's been just in like a guest star in several things. I never watched his show Baskets.

Captain: 25:04

I did for a little bit. It was alright. Okay, I mean it would it's alright. It's definitely his humor, so it's a little like off, but it was good. I mean, he's mostly I think known for that between two ferns.

Wilson: 25:17

Which is a delightful like it's pretty good.

Captain: 25:22

If you get people that are down to get like trolled, uh yeah, it's good.

Wilson: 25:26

Yeah, and I love that like also the people he trolls, like there's room for them to troll him back.

Captain: 25:32

Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah.

Wilson: 25:34

Yeah. Like I think the one with like Hillary Clinton and then Obama, it's just like fun, these like very political figures, and they're just like ripping each other apart.

Captain: 25:45

I can't I don't know if I have one that I picked out that I really like, but usually I enjoy whatever clips I see.

Wilson: 25:51

I think the favorite I've seen, there's one where he's uh interviewing Charlize Theron, um, Theron. It's what I forget what they say, but it's like I think the best interaction I've seen on that show.

Captain: 26:04

I think there was one, I I want to say it was like Bradley Cooper, maybe. I don't know. When when Zach Alpinakis says something to them and it makes them it makes the person he's saying to like crack up and it's like at their expense. I I really like those ones. Um so I think it might have been Bradley Cooper that I'm thinking of, but yeah.

Wilson: 26:24

Well, look up the later look up the Charleese one.

Captain: 26:28

Okay.

Wilson: 26:29

Hopefully it's still funny. I don't know. Okay. Uh alright.

Captain: 26:33

Well, how about we uh pop into the Yeah, so we just read a bunch of names, but yeah, most of these are men that are are working on a submarine, and then there's the lady, obviously. But like that's yeah. The plot's a little complicated. So like just to m overview men on a sub in the war in 1943.

Wilson: 26:54

Yes. And the premise when I first read it, I was like, oh, this looks like you know, it'll be really interesting. Cause like, you know, in a submarine, but make it scary. Because I mean, I don't think I've seen I've seen like war movies with submarines, but not like a like a scary war movie, yeah. Yeah. Um but I have differing opinions. Well I'll see. Damn. Um so basically, uh it the movie opens with like there's a helicopter, they see some like people in the water that need help, and they call out to a nearby submarine to go help them, and it's the USS Tiger Shark.

Captain: 27:36

Yeah, that's kind of a badass name. But yeah.

Wilson: 27:38

Yeah. Um they don't really want to go turnaround to uh a day behind them. Yeah. Uh but anyway, they go back, they find these three British survivors, and they find out it's like a hospital ship that had just been torpedoed. Um, one of them is a a nurse, uh the the woman, um Claire. Claire, yeah. Um and then immediately, like, it's kind of a gross scene. I mean, it's like it's all men on this this submarine, and just I mean, maybe it's funny, maybe it's gross, I'm not sure, but they're just like gossiping, like uh you just see them like running through the ch the ship, passing on each person, like, hey, there's a girl on board. Or like they pick different ways of this. No, they pick all sorts of uh like analogies and a bird, a frilly or something, a filly.

Captain: 28:31

I was like, can you shut the fuck up?

Wilson: 28:33

Yeah.

Captain: 28:34

Um, yes, they were very excited that a woman saw that. I dude, if I was the woman that got forced to be on this ship, I'd be just just just kill me. I I'm actually just gonna let myself out. I'm not gonna I I would not be able to deal with that. Like luckily she had the um Odell that was supposed to be kind of her like uh bodyguard slash like um prison guard.

Wilson: 28:54

Like, so he kind of was keeping other people at bay, but yeah, that ensign was kind of like a good guy, or like you get the impression he means well.

Captain: 29:03

Yeah.

Wilson: 29:04

Um so like So one of one of them's a nurse.

Captain: 29:07

Sorry, one of them's a nurse. I don't remember what the other guy is, if he was also or he was like more on the ship steering, and then one of them's a wounded patient.

Wilson: 29:16

Yeah, he's pretty crispy.

Captain: 29:17

Yeah.

Wilson: 29:19

Um and I think this is where things start to go a little sideways. Like, first, there's like you get the hint idea that the the captain, um, Bryce, uh, he's like he's stepping in for the captain. Yeah. And you're like, who's this other guy I see in these pictures? Um so you're kind of wondering what happened to him.

Captain: 29:42

Yeah, he's the lieutenant, yeah.

Wilson: 29:44

Yeah. Um and then I think around this time they also find out that the wounded guy is actually um a German a German, I think. Yeah, that they found and they were caring for him on the hospital ship.

Captain: 29:58

Yeah, so the reason. The reason why they even started like m digging more is because that there's at one point where like a an enemy ship is going by and their ship has to stay silent. So like everything in the ship's being because if they pick up any noise, it'll be on the radar. Um and so everybody in the ship's like staying silent, and then like suddenly a record player starts going off. Um and it's playing like like whatever that song is, something that has the title of the artist on there, like Goodman or something. Um but it's like a very loud song, so like they run down to the record player and like immediately get it to turn off. But um they they were like, you know, they think that there's somebody sabotaging because like they put the everybody on the ship in like danger with that record player turning on suddenly.

Wilson: 30:43

Yeah. And the captain comes in and he he just shoots the guy.

Captain: 30:49

Yeah, they they find out that his clothing has like, you know, made in Germany written on it, and Claire is like, don't shoot him, he's my patient. I've been carrying, you know, don't hurt him. And yeah, he he was uh he said something like hello, like hi comrade, or something that, you know, seemed sinister, like sa I don't know. Um, but oh, and he grabs his knife, that German patient.

Wilson: 31:14

Um, that is why he was about to get shot. Because I think the German guy was actually trying to maybe defend himself getting ready to because he clearly saw the captain had a gun already.

Captain: 31:23

Yeah, and the captain just shoots him, yeah.

Wilson: 31:25

Yeah, because I mean he does also dart for the knife, so it's like yeah. Uh a tricky situation. Um and so the nurse, like around this time, she's like starting to poke around and she's she's really wondering like something seems off. Like this captain is missing and they're being kind of dodgy about like what happened. Um I think around this time they say that the captain had gone out um and tried to get like a scrap from like a ship or something as a memento. As a memento.

Captain: 31:58

Yeah, it was from it was from an enemy ship that he shot down, and he that's what they were told. Um, yeah. So yeah, they also um shortly after this, like they also like God, they're so rude on this boat, and I get it, that like they don't have how don't they haven't had entertainment for like two months that they've been on this boat or whatever, but they like prank Claire by putting the dead body in her room.

Wilson: 32:24

Um these little shits.

Captain: 32:26

Now, she swears that she hears the body speaking to her. I don't remember what it says, but I think it says like get off the ship before like save yourself.

Wilson: 32:35

Where are you gonna go?

Captain: 32:36

Um so like she's freaked out by hearing it's hearing a voice talking to her, but she's even more freaked out finding out that it was the dead body in the bunk below her. Because like they wrapped it up like in a somewhat of a respectful way. And somebody unwrapped it, threw it in the bunk, and then like was trying to get her to be freaked out. Um But yeah, now like we have this record player that turned on suddenly, and this body that she swears was speaking to her. So like things are getting spooky.

Wilson: 33:04

Yes, and around this time they notice that like um an enemy destroyer ship is like nearby them, so they dive really quick. Um, and the enemy ship, I think I think well, you'd mentioned this earlier, I think with the the record player, like they're trying to be really quiet underwater. And so that record player starts and then um it drops these like uh I guess kind of like bombs, they're in barrels, but it like they're gonna be able to do it. Yeah, the anime ship. Yeah.

Captain: 33:40

Submarine Warfare is so I mean it's just looks so awful.

Wilson: 33:43

Yeah, yeah. Uh I think it's after this that or maybe the next time, shortly after this, the ship finds them again and like damages their hull, and they determine that they need to go outside and then like fix a leak because they're leaking oil and it's the ship can track them that way.

Captain: 34:03

Yeah, so they have to go to this like a weird capsized area of the ship. Um, and there's a couple men that go in there, um, and they're talking about winters, like while they're in this kind of like spooky area that's like, I don't know. Um, but we get more story that the men tried to save. Um so the real story is that when they shot down the German ship, um, some of the other high-ranking men, like the skipper and the lieutenant, like wanted to save some of the people that were still alive in the water. And then Winters apparently ordered a gun to the top of the ship and took um took it in his own hands to like shoot everybody that survived. So that's the second story we get from Skipper that's a little bit more in Er of Winters, the captain that we get in a little bit more detail. Um, but while they're telling that story, uh somebody dies, I think, right? They get like an image of the captain like spooking them and then like fall and hit their head, I think.

Wilson: 34:58

Yeah, he's like he's super dead, and the rest of them are really spooked. So the other two I think they leave them there and then they just go back inside.

Captain: 35:07

Yeah, they go back inside. They're asking what happened to the guy, and and they're just like they're not really giving an answer. Um, but they did, I think, fix the problem for the most part. Um But everybody is freaked out. Like something is spooky, something is weird, like the ship seems haunted basically. Um and everybody can tell. Everybody that's on the ship, even Claire herself says something along those lines. Um yes. And then I think they are desperately trying to make their way back to the US, but they know that they obviously some people are like, there's no way we're gonna make our way back to the US. Like we're damaged, and now we're low on um hydrogen, I think, right? They were like 13% hydrogen. Because then they have to go fix that other area.

Wilson: 35:51

Um Yeah, but I think that wasn't the hydrogen too high.

Captain: 35:57

Well, because when they fixed it, they like pumped it.

Wilson: 36:01

Oh.

Captain: 36:02

And it was supposed to be enclosed into that room, but that guy opened the door when he shouldn't have.

Wilson: 36:07

Oh, yeah.

Captain: 36:08

Like an idiot. Um so yeah, they had to fix something else, which is yeah, something about the hydrogen. I I'm I don't know anything about submarines.

Wilson: 36:18

And the whole room crispied. Like it was like a flash burn, and everyone inside, like everybody that was exposed to it. It was a ton of the crew.

Captain: 36:29

Like it was basically the entire crew. Like, besides like the fuming leads of the boat, like and Claire, like basically everybody, everybody else died because it was supposed to be like enclosed in the one battery room or something, but some guy opened the door at the exact moment that it couldn't be opened because he was like, Hey, we lost power. Um, and then the guy that's whatever he's doing with the hydrogen was like, Close the fucking door, but it's too late. Um, and they only realize that their crew's gone because they can't contact anybody on the radio, so then they go looking for them and realize everybody's dead.

Wilson: 37:04

Yeah. Um, so also around this time the rudder's kind of broken, it's like only pointing one way, so like they're the ship spun itself around and was going the wrong direction. And I think it kept going deeper and deeper. Um, and then somewhere around here, it's discovered that this is like sort of the big twist of the movie, but they didn't at the beginning of the movie, they didn't sink a German ship, they sunk the hospital the British hospital ship, and what had happened, what what had happened was Um You know it's funny, Claire realizes that because she is looking she's nosy as hell.

Captain: 37:43

Yeah, which I'm not I mean, I'm same.

Wilson: 37:46

She knows something's going on.

Captain: 37:48

But yes, but she's as she's poking through all the captain stuff and all the skipper stuff and all whatever, but she realizes that the German boat that they thought they shot down um looks almost identical to her med her hospital ship. So they sunk her hospital ship accidentally, um, which was an English medical ship. Um and she said, like somebody or she was I can't remember if she was talking to Odell or whatever, but she says, like, whoever mis-ID'd the ship would have been in huge trouble.

Wilson: 38:18

Um Yeah, and we find out that was Bryce, the current captain.

Captain: 38:23

Yeah, the lieutenant, the Winters captain, wanted to save everybody after they shot it down and he realized they were misided and they were speaking English, he wanted to save everybody. But because Bryce uh mis-ID'd the ship, he was trying to cover his own ass. So he was like, nope, all's fair in war, and uh, we're just gonna So they kill the they kill Winters. Yeah, they kill Winters, and they obviously make sure all the survivors don't all are are also dead except these three that made their way back on their ship.

Wilson: 38:53

Already up to this point, I mean it was like pretty clear that Winters was haunting the ship, but now we know that he is he was in the right and he's trying to correct these like bad actors.

Captain: 39:05

Yeah, I like the line. So they go so Zach Aliphinakis um character is like really into like reading poetry and like Shakespeare and like just books in general. So at one point, Claire towards the end, uh Claire and Odell go to him and ask him, like, what are we supposed to do about this spirit? Like, um, what does he call them? He calls them maled maledictions, I think. Yeah, yeah. Um, but he basically says, like, what do you mean? What are we supposed to do? Like, a captain goes down with his ship, like he wants like Winters wants his ship, Teddy, is what he says. That's like, oh shit, like you're kind of fucked.

Wilson: 39:40

Yeah.

Captain: 39:41

Um, yes.

Wilson: 39:43

So And like the ship. Yeah, go ahead.

Captain: 39:47

Yeah, no, I was just gonna say, like, toward like the basically the end of this movie is just Bryce just like fucking losing it. I mean, full crash out.

Wilson: 39:53

Oh yeah, like the ship's getting ice cold because there's like not really any power, there's no heat, the ship's going deeper and deeper, everything is breaking. Like they're gonna they need they need to um surface to get more air and charge the batteries, but it's like not really responding. And then eventually it does surface. But this is after like mostly everyone's dead. There's like five people alive.

Captain: 40:19

Yes, yep. There, yeah, maybe less.

Wilson: 40:22

Yeah, so when they surface, there's like a ship nearby and Claire, and I think she tries to flag down the ship and Bryce stops her, but he's like he's like kind of on the verge of uh like he still thinks he can cover his tracks, but eventually it's just he can't.

Captain: 40:42

Yeah, I mean, denial goes on for as long as it can, and then yeah, and then he's like, I'm just gonna sh like he I think he thinks about shooting everybody there, but he ends up shooting himself. I'm very confused at how he shot himself in the head twice. If you saw that.

Wilson: 41:00

I didn't notice.

Captain: 41:01

I swear. Because Jay was watching it with me and he was like, Did he just double tap himself? Because that's literally what it looks like. Like he shot shoots himself in the head twice. I I don't I don't know if that was just a bad cut, but um yeah, he just shoots himself. And then um they don't have any like flares or power to get attention for the British ship that's close by. Um so I think it's I don't know if it's Odell or Scott Foley's character, but they just like machine gun into the air to get the ship's attack attention. Um but they they do get rescued, they do get saved.

Wilson: 41:37

They do, and there's like a view like sunrising, they're on the boat safe and see their submarine sink.

Captain: 41:44

Um the captain got his ship at the end.

Wilson: 41:48

He did. I mean he killed his entire crew, basically. I mean But he like kinda l made sure the people that were Mentwell lived. Like the ensign. Oh Dell, yeah. And the the nurse that was not part of the original incident, so or at least not didn't try to kill him, so.

Captain: 42:11

Yeah, I didn't realize Zach Galifanax's character was called Wally Weird Wally. Or sorry. His name is Wally, but he we went by Weird Wally, which I didn't know that.

Wilson: 42:20

Oh, I was gonna say Wally Weird Wally is like a long Yeah, sorry.

Captain: 42:25

I read it too fast. Um Yes. Yes. I uh the movie plot is good. I I will say there's like sometimes a little too much going on that I it was like hard to follow at a certain point.

Wilson: 42:38

Yeah, and I also think it was like a little too long, or like some scenes are just like I don't know, cut this, make it shorter. You're like losing my interest a little bit.

Captain: 42:49

Yeah, there's too many characters too that like have lines that are important. I'm just like we gotta narrow it down, or can we at least like throw some diversity? Like, I get it that it's 1943, but like I was losing track of who's who.

Wilson: 43:03

Yeah. So I think the concept was really interesting, but I wasn't that impressed with it.

Captain: 43:12

I'm down for the concept for sure. I mean, I'd do another. Like I'd try another similar kind of concept, but Oh yeah, I want another submarine thing.

Wilson: 43:20

Like um, I read that it's kind of it's a mix between, of course, a submarine war movie, but there's like hints of things like event horizon loosely, like you're stuck on a ship, there's like a haunting, you know, so yeah, like the end is inevitable, basically.

Captain: 43:39

Like the end like the end of this like this this is not going to end well. Um something sinister is happening, yeah.

Wilson: 43:47

But it did sort of end well for some people. But that's true. The people that deserved it.

Captain: 43:51

Did it but nobody's it doesn't end well for anybody on Event Horizon.

Wilson: 43:56

Uh two of them get away. I think two of them get away.

Captain: 44:01

Oh really?

Wilson: 44:02

Yeah.

Captain: 44:04

Oh, I'm thinking of a different movie. Oops. Um, you have any like we got tea, we got numbs, we got numbs.

Wilson: 44:15

Uh yeah, I'll start let's start with numbs. Um, all right, so the budget was 40 million. The box office was 2.6. So this did real bad.

Captain: 44:26

I mean, 2002, was there something that was I mean, there's gotta be something that was just way bigger at the time.

Wilson: 44:32

Let's see. Um I was gonna see um what was released in theaters that weekend, so here I'll tell you.

Captain: 44:42

Um Wow, you can just put pull that up real quick.

Wilson: 44:45

Yeah, so Red Dragon. Um, I'm not familiar with that. Sweet Home Alabama. Brown Sugar, The Transporter, My Big Fat Greek Wedding.

Captain: 44:57

Oh, that was a huge movie.

Wilson: 44:59

Uh Veggie Tales.

Captain: 45:05

Um I don't know Well, same target audience as this movie, of course.

Wilson: 45:09

Wait, signs?

Captain: 45:11

Oh shit. Wait.

Wilson: 45:12

Wait, for real? Wait a second. Is this like these dates don't this is a lot of movies for this weekend. Hold on a second.

Captain: 45:19

Well, they could also have just been playing that weekend too, though. Like, because they they'll play for more than one week.

Wilson: 45:25

You're right, you're right. Okay. I'm trying to find this movie. Master of Disguise. Wow. Born Identity was still in there. Mr. Deeds.

Captain: 45:38

Scooby-Doo. I was gonna say, for me, the most famous, like if I'm looking up 2002 movies, it's like Scooby-Doo movie was I mean, that was a hit.

Wilson: 45:46

Star Wars 2.

Captain: 45:48

Apparently, Ghost Ship was also a 2002 movie.

Wilson: 45:51

Oh.

Captain: 45:52

Which is like a similar vibe.

Wilson: 45:54

I I don't see as I yeah, I don't even see this movie on this list, which is uh It might have had a limited release.

Captain: 46:06

It has famous people. Well, I don't know if they were that famous twenty three years ago, though.

Wilson: 46:14

Oh, it's this says domestic, it's opening weekend. They got 200,000. That's Kimmy, that's bad.

Captain: 46:25

Yep. Um yeah, the um Rotten Tomatoes score is a little bit better than the budget box office ratio.

Wilson: 46:36

I don't think the letterbox was good.

Captain: 46:38

Um, Rotten Tomatoes, you ha we have in here a 65 for critics and a 45 for audience. I don't think I rated this on letterbox.

Wilson: 46:49

I gave it a two. Um letterbox gave it a three. Also, really quick side note, those friends I told you about that are doing that 13-hour movie marathon.

Captain: 46:59

Uh huh.

Wilson: 46:59

It looks like they just finished From Beyond.

Captain: 47:03

Oh, whoa.

Wilson: 47:04

I kind of like that movie. They gave it a three and a half and a three.

Captain: 47:08

Okay. I'm gonna give this movie, I think I'm gonna give this movie a three. Maybe two and a half. I'm gonna give it a two and a half.

Wilson: 47:18

Okay.

Captain: 47:19

Um, yes.

Wilson: 47:21

Percentage-wise, what would you give it? Wait, did you just yell at me for a two, but you gave it a two and a half?

Captain: 47:29

I didn't yell. I'm on the I'm on the verge between a two and a half and a three. So I'm gonna go with a 58, I think.

Wilson: 47:41

Damn. You you kind of liked this movie.

Captain: 47:45

Okay, that's scrong language. Okay. You need to turn that explicit off, okay?

Wilson: 47:54

Like 58's fairly good.

Captain: 47:57

Damn, all right. I feel like I'm right in between the critics' audience. Uh fine.

Wilson: 48:04

I gave it a 15, so Sir.

Captain: 48:10

This movie is better than the last movie we watched.

Wilson: 48:14

Uh I guess so.

Captain: 48:18

Damn. I mean, I liked that it was there was like a lot of buildup in this movie, which I I liked. I mean, yes, they could have cut some, but like, you know, we get we get it all through like Claire's snooping, and then even like um, like a little line at the beginning when Claire starts asking about like what happened to Winters, and um I think um Scott Foley's character, what's his name? What's Skipper or something? He like stops Odell in the hallway and Odell's like, yeah, she was just asking about Winters, and he said, What did you tell her? And he kind of like looks around and he's like, the story. I was like, Oh shit, T. Um, like, you know, not the truth, the story. Um and like, you know, there was even like a comedic line in there. I feel like this is probably my rag. No, actually, I have a different rag that I actually really liked. But there was a comedic line in there where like Claire says, like, you know, I'll say what we're all thinking, like, there's something else on this ship with us that's haunting. And the captain, the the lieutenant guy cuts her off and said, I didn't ask you, or anyone else. And like, but like the way he cuts her off is like a little comedic. Um, I I don't know. It it's like not great, but it's not like bad.

Wilson: 49:35

I just thought there were too many scenes of like I'm in this room whispering, and now I'm in this room and I'm whispering, and now I'm in another room, but with someone else, and I'm just like just move the story along. Um you mentioned raised glass, so what is Yoldo?

Captain: 49:54

Okay, there's actually a really good raised glass.

Wilson: 49:57

It better not be mine, but we'll see.

Captain: 49:59

So they're doing one of their fixers, one of their fixing scenes. Okay. And um, what's that guy's name? I think it I think it's Loomis. Um Loomis is in there, and he's very anti, like not believing in spirits or haunting stuff. Um he's uh, you know, people have been seeing like ghost shadows and stuff, but uh Loomis is looking at himself in the reflection, and he's like weirded out because his reflection is like hella delayed. Like it's like delayed by like a second or two. So like he's watching himself move and his reflection is like moving really late, and he's like, Okay, that's super weird. And he he honestly turns around and he's like trembling because it's so scary to see that, like it doesn't physically make any sense. Um, and we see the reflection is not following at all. Like as the audience, we see that um because he trembles and turns around facing the camera. Um, and like when he turns back around, um, I think it like doesn't, yeah, it's like um I think it like flashes the ghosts of Captain Winters or something, and he like screams and runs. Um, but watching that reflection like be delayed and then not fall at all and just stare at him like uh sinisterly, like for me, best scene. I was like, oh shit, this is creepy. And I I know we've seen that reflection stuff a lot, but something about this is very ominous that I really liked.

Wilson: 51:26

I could see that. Yeah, that that scene was pretty cool. I think My Rays of Glass also dealt with Loomis. We didn't talk about it in our recap, but uh he like sees it might have been related to this scene right after, but he gets spooked by the ghost. So he just leaves the submarine underwater to it was in reaction to this scene. He's like half crazed, and he like immediately gets impaled by a piece of the submarine, so he's just like dragged along the rest of the movie.

Captain: 51:59

Yeah, I I can't I don't even know how you could exit a submarine underwater. Like I didn't even know that was possible, right? Like the pressure of the water, but I don't know.

Wilson: 52:07

He makes his way out and I mean they get out there to do those repairs.

Captain: 52:10

Oh yeah. There must be some type of like um double e-vack doors or something, but um yeah, but yeah, he does get impaled immediately. But he's so spooked by that scene that he is screaming and running, like pushing people out of the way just to get like off the ship and out of the whatever is happening. Um yeah, that is also a good yeah. The end of that is also good. Um Yes.

Wilson: 52:36

Do you want some hot goose?

Captain: 52:37

Yeah, we do have a little hot goose. Hit me with it.

Wilson: 52:40

Um so this one actually well, I I have a comment or uh compliment for the movie after I read it, but um, it says some filming for the movie took place on an actual retired uh submarine uh from World War II. It's the USS Silver Sides. Um and you can tour this uh in Muskegon, Michigan, uh, but for this movie, for some of the scenes that they shot, they towed it out into the middle of Lake Michigan. Um they did do some minor repainting to make it look um, you know, current current or new. Um but that did make me think, uh, like they mentioned they did they created sets for most of this. Um I I thought the set design was really cool, and I imagine that was really expensive and where a lot of the money went, and it's unfortunate that the movie did so poorly. Yeah. The sets were really good.

Captain: 53:36

With a little bit more, I see uh yeah, I have this in here, but Tui actually refused to re-edit this to make it PG 13, and that definitely led to the theatrical release being so low. Because they they did a limited release because of that. There was also very little advertising for the film, so that's why the earnings were so low. Because I guess this is rated R.

Wilson: 53:58

Oh, okay.

Captain: 53:59

For the time. I mean, it's just awesome time.

Wilson: 54:02

I'd be like, this is this is a G movie. Um so we already know that Darren Aronofsky wrote or co-wrote the film, um, but he was going to direct it in 1999, but instead he made Recuum for a Dream. Um I don't know if you ever watched that, but it's horribly depressing.

Captain: 54:22

No. What's like a one-sent synopsis set?

Wilson: 54:25

Uh it's been a long time since I watched it. I think it was in college, but it has to do with like drugs and addiction. You basically see these characters like drug out. Yeah, ruin their lives. Um uh, but it's really well done. Um originally Frank Sinatra sang, I'll be seeing you. Uh oh, the records the yeah, the mysteriously playing songs that we heard. Um, but it was replaced by Benny Goodman sing, sing, sing.

Captain: 54:53

Oh, yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, Benny Goodman, yeah.

Wilson: 54:57

Um Holt, uh the guy who's in Mindhunter, um, Loomis, uh, he learned how to do a lot of yo-yo tricks for this movie.

Captain: 55:06

Um yeah, that's his big thing, was the yo-yo, yeah.

Wilson: 55:10

His instructors listed in the final credits of the movie, that's interesting.

Captain: 55:14

Um You know, I used to be able to do like two yo-yo tricks when I was a kid. Um I weirdly, like, when was the last time you actually saw yo-yo in person in real life?

Wilson: 55:26

Um, well, I bought one maybe eight years ago, seven years ago.

Captain: 55:30

Okay, I thought you were gonna say like six months ago, and I was like, well, you're nasty. Um, I went to like a work conference, right, where they give out a bunch of free shit that has their logos all over it. And I I've been to this conference a bunch, and I've never seen a yo-yo, and this year they had yo-yos. Like, I brought a yo-yo home. Wow. Which is so random. And I remember trying to do shit with it, and I'm just like, it's just hitting the floor. It's like I don't know what I'm doing anymore. You gotta like put a lot of flick into it that I I feel like I lost. Um yo-yos. Yeah. The one I don't know if you had the one last thing about um how this was supposed to be something called Proteus originally.

Wilson: 56:14

Yeah, when Darren was gonna do it.

Captain: 56:17

Yeah.

Wilson: 56:17

Yeah.

Captain: 56:18

I don't know what Proteus is supposed to be, but apparently they like dropped all the sci-fi elements and reworked it into a ghost story, but I don't know what the original was supposed to be.

Wilson: 56:28

Huh. I am curious what what it would have been if he if he directed it.

Captain: 56:34

I feel like movies go through these re reworks like so much that it's like we lose a lot of stories that would have been the original. Just in general, I mean, like but anyway. Um yes.

Wilson: 56:50

Uh I feel like I had one other one. Oh, this one's more of a fun fact that I didn't know, but uh the top speed of that class of submarine uh when it surfaced is 24 miles an hour.

Captain: 57:03

Is that a little for a submarine? Is that a lot?

Wilson: 57:07

I don't know.

Captain: 57:07

It feels like that's not very fast, but uh Don't they always isn't it measured in like nautical knots or something?

Wilson: 57:14

Well it does give a knots, but like I don't it says 21 knots, but I have no idea how fast that is.

Captain: 57:19

You said 21 knots and 24 miles per hour, yeah. Okay. Close enough.

Wilson: 57:27

Close enough.

Captain: 57:29

Um yeah, that's basically all yeah. There's um a small uh like hint to Macbeth at one point because you know Macbeth is all about like a ghost haunting murder, but you know, I I didn't even notice it, but apparently it's in like a bookshelf somewhere. Um I I feel like if you're looking for a spooky underwater movie and you've already have seen like the big ones, like The Abyss, I I would say like this is a possibility. It's not like I would just hard not recommend. Now, you with your 15% over there, I'm sure is a hard not recommend.

Wilson: 58:10

I mean, I'm not gonna watch it again. I would be surprised if I did.

Captain: 58:15

Okay.

Wilson: 58:16

I don't know. I just did not like it that much.

Captain: 58:18

I mean, again, it wasn't trash, but 15% sounds like trash, dude.

Wilson: 58:25

I just whenever I see a lot of gimmicky, like ghost faces that show up too often, I'm like, I don't know.

Captain: 58:33

There were a lot of ghost faces that show up. Like a lot of them. So like at one point Odell sees like four at one time.

Wilson: 58:41

I like if they had practical effects and like they had like a a dead, decaying flesh captain that was like kind of sneaking around the ship, like murdering people, I'd be like, hell yeah.

Captain: 58:56

But sneaking around sounds like Scooby-Doo, like like he's tiptoeing around. Um, yeah, something creepier, I think. I I think we'd both be down for it. Like the my my raise of glass is the creepiest scene, and yours is the reaction to that creepy scene. So yeah, I feel like that speaks for itself. Um you uh you want to tell us what we're doing next time?

Wilson: 59:19

Yeah, we'll uh we'll surface uh from this discussion. Take my take my hat off here soon. Um yeah, so next time we're doing Awoken from 2019.

Captain: 59:33

Yes. And it's loosely about a kid that has like insomnia, like a really bad case of insomnia, um, because of a demon. Um insomnia just basically until you die. And I think his sister's trying to save him.

Wilson: 59:48

Damn. Okay. That sounds interesting.

Captain: 59:52

Yeah, I can't remember how good or bad it it's supposed to be.

Wilson: 59:57

It'll be fine.

Captain: 1:00:01

Um, but yeah, that's the next one.

Wilson: 1:00:03

Sweet.

Captain: 1:00:04

Um, I feel like, you know, very relatable story here with a submarine in 1943.

Wilson: 1:00:10

Sure, yeah.

Captain: 1:00:11

So I know there's lots that you could pull from.

Wilson: 1:00:16

Yeah. So with all those options, what do you what do you have for me?

Captain: 1:00:20

I have a question for you. You want a specific question, or you just want like, you know, generally, is there some advice based on this movie?

Wilson: 1:00:30

Don't I need advice? Well wait, didn't you give me I gave you advice?

Captain: 1:00:37

We said get a lawyer.

Wilson: 1:00:38

Oh yeah, I asked you last time. Yeah, you're right. You're right.

Captain: 1:00:42

It's your movie, and I need advice based on this movie from you.

Wilson: 1:00:47

Uh yes. Um I would say uh I don't know, like confirm what you're shooting at, maybe, like that it's not like friendlies.

Captain: 1:01:02

Yes, the beard. A flashlight.

Wilson: 1:01:06

Flashlight.

Captain: 1:01:08

Okay. Yeah, maybe like double check is a good it's a good take point.