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Awoken
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This week, Captain and Wilson dig up the 2019 Australian horror film, "Awoken," directed by Daniel J. Phillips.
Starring Sara West, Erik Thomson, and Benson Jack Anthony, Awoken traces how real sleep science and messy demon lore collide in a locked basement lab. Captain and Wilson unpack FFI, prions, and why bargaining with evil is never a treatment plan.
The film discussion begins around 25:56.
Cold Open: Memes, Movies, And Dog Scenes
WilsonUm, you know, that actually reminded me so somebody like something happened today kind of crazy at work, and I wanted to message somebody with like a gif of great googly moogly, and I was like, I was trying to think, what is that from? Because I also couldn't say for certain that it's not from some spoof movie and somehow like a really like racist joke or something. And I looked it up, it's just like a kid's it's like a kid's character and a song. It is a song.
CaptainI was gonna say, I know the song.
WilsonYeah. Um, but no, there's like a it's also a kid's cartoon, or the name of a character in a kid's cartoon.
CaptainSo you sent it?
WilsonNo, I couldn't. It just it wasn't it wasn't right, and the moment passed.
CaptainI mean, the right person would have been fine with it, but I don't know who this was. So I did finally watch the together movie, very hesitant to watch because of the supposedly terrible dog scene in the beginning, which I did not watch that part. Now, when I was watching this, so I was watching this we were doing a movie night at my house, and um, like uh two of the people that were there decided to watch the dog scene while like the rest of us were like this, um, with our eyes covered, but um one of them said that the dog scene really was not that bad, like it's overhyped. Is that I don't know.
WilsonLike I mean, did you read about what happened this year?
CaptainYeah, like people on does the dog die.com were like it's brutal, it's gruesome, like the dogs are crying as they're being like fused, and I don't know, I mean I didn't watch, but like one of the guys that I was there was like, okay, it's really not that bad.
WilsonUm Yeah, I mean it like wasn't pleasant, but uh I mean it doesn't look like torture. Um kind of reminds me of like the thing in a way, like some of that. Okay.
CaptainWell, I didn't watch. Um the movie itself was pretty good. I did like it. I can't remember what rating I gave. I think I gave it a 3.5.
WilsonI don't remember seeing your rating on the box.
CaptainI'm pretty sure it's on there.
WilsonWell, let me go look.
CaptainUm my gosh, diary. Um what? Did you like no I Oh, it's right there.
unknownWhat?
CaptainThe 17th. Together.
WilsonSometimes I do not like how um letterbox displays things.
CaptainSometimes oftentimes. Who the fuck made this app is what I my questions are sometimes.
WilsonThat is very fair.
CaptainUh yeah, I gave it a 3.5. It was pretty good. Um I would say I'm glad I watched it. Very, very different content. Yeah. Yeah. Um But you know what's funny, actually, just thinking about movies that I recently watched. Um, randomly I watched Atlantis, The Lost Empire again for okay, dude. That movie's so good.
WilsonI don't
Animated Nostalgia And 80s Action Kicks
WilsonI don't know if I ever saw it in its entirety.
CaptainI I watched that uh literally, I think the last time I watched that I was in middle school, like 13. Um so good though. Like high class, great movie. No notes. It's so good. I would highly recommend. Um Yeah, I just was like in the vibe to so it's funny, Jay mentioned um he mentioned um a scene from Over the Hedge that made him laugh. Um, like a scene that he still remembers. I I don't have you seen Over the Hedge?
WilsonI think I did when it came out, yeah.
CaptainYeah, there's a bear at the beginning that is like hibernating, and when he wakes up, he finds that this raccoon like stole his like hibernation stash, and he's like, Oh no. Oh no, no. I know this raccoon did not. Like I don't know, we were talking about it, and like I was like, should we watch over that? And then I don't know, we decided to watch a different movie, but and what we still don't watch a kids' animated movie, and so we chose Atlantis. But um, I'm really glad we watched it. I was like hooked.
WilsonSo I'm gonna yeah, I'll have to add to the list because uh I don't know. I feel like everyone loves it.
CaptainOh yeah.
WilsonI did show uh Finn um the Iron Giant a couple months ago. He had never seen that.
CaptainIt's so sad.
WilsonIt's so sad, but it's so good.
CaptainLike, I'm pretty sure I'd cry now if I watched it.
WilsonYeah, I cried. It's still sad.
CaptainLike, it's brutal. I I would have to definitely have to be in the mood before I turn that on. Um yeah, and then you we already talked about it. I went on my like random 80s advent action binge, but Demolition Man was really good. I actually really want them to remake Demolition Man. Like, it's been 30 years. They should they should reboot like with a good wait, what's the reboot that you asked me if I watched? That's something else.
WilsonOh, Robocop.
CaptainOh, RoboCop. Robocop was mid. Demolition Man was good.
WilsonI haven't seen it.
CaptainI actually really, really recommend. Demolished Man is is really good, and um Sandra Bullock is in there, and she is like full queen Sandra. Like Sandy is giving. Um, love Sandy in that role. Um so I would recommend.
WilsonI remember checking Letterbox that weekend periodically, and I just kept seeing these 80s movies pop up.
CaptainI don't know. For some reason I was in the mood, and then Demolition Man hit so hard, I was like, okay, I want to do another one. But the other ones were in it. The other ones the other ones weren't as good. I mean they were fine, but they weren't as good. Um yeah. I don't even remember oh yeah. Um okay, are the other things you have in here are these movies or are these are this is not movies?
WilsonHalf and half.
CaptainOkay, give me the movie.
WilsonUh so I several podcasts ago we watched the remake of Prom Night with Britney Snow. And I remember we talked about, well, you know, we read about the plot of the original, and I was like, With Jamie Lee, yeah, now I'm kind of intrigued. So I watched it like two weeks ago. Uh it was fine.
CaptainOh.
WilsonThe premise is fun, but uh it was yeah, it was it was just fine.
CaptainDid you put it on Letty?
WilsonI did.
CaptainHow come I uh this is always such a bitch to be like to find your friend's diary you can know.
WilsonYeah, it's not easy to search people and then you have to look at their diary.
CaptainUm, I don't know, like how the fuck I hate slash like this app.
WilsonLike I don't know how to I think like so you go to your followers, you go to their profile, you scroll down, click on diary, and then it should show you.
CaptainWho the fuck is diary? Oh, I'm stupid. Gotcha. It's like it's like an actual personal journal, like a diary that they're hiding from you. Like you really have to search for it.
WilsonUm October 27th.
CaptainTwo and a half. Did you see all the um sorry, I just clicked on the photo. Um you saw all the comments you were making about Jamie Lee Curtis's like body when she was promoting Freak Your Friday?
WilsonLike her gigantic breasts with all those comments. Yeah.
CaptainUm talk about like Googly Moogly. Um I saw I saw so many videos talking about it. Um but yeah, she's she's got the meatties out in uh in one of these pictures, too. Um Yeah, she didn't I don't really didn't really see her respond to any of it. But I mean I guess what are you gonna say?
WilsonUm You right?
CaptainYeah, like correct? Uh yeah, I don't know. Um but so you would just say it's fine. You like the remake better.
WilsonUm well I feel like that's challenging to say because the remake I like as a nostalgic thing. I watched it when I was a teenager and I don't know.
CaptainAbout the remake, I remember pissed me off.
WilsonI like the soundtrack a lot.
CaptainSomething about the remake, I remember being like, can you get the fuck out the way? Or I can't I I don't remember, but I just remember being like someone is not acting like a human. Um okay. Is that is that all you had?
WilsonI mean, I have one other thing, but do you want me well about promenade, yeah, yeah, yeah.
CaptainOkay, I have okay, this is super I I feel like I'm just gonna add a segment to this podcast called Captain's Weird Animal Facts. Um but I don't remember why this came up. I think I was listening to I listened to like a couple science podcasts, and I think it might have been in there, but um okay, there's so out of all of like the living things on the planet, there's only one true cyclops species, which I think is so interesting. Like truly has one central eye, and that is the way the entire species is, and it's like a little secreter. Um Do you have a picture? Oh.
WilsonI mean I can Google it, but I mean I just thought you'd have a presentation ready.
CaptainOh my god! Um, I mean it's not that interesting to look at, like, but I mean I could show you.
WilsonI found it.
CaptainSo it's got like antennas and a big eyeball or a central eyeball.
WilsonI'm sorry, how big is this thing?
CaptainOh, I think it's really tiny. Like protozoa.
WilsonOh.
CaptainWell, maybe not protozoa,
Letterboxd Rants And Remakes
Captainbut it's pretty tiny.
WilsonI mean, I see what appears to be an eye.
CaptainIt's like red. The eye is like a red dot.
WilsonRed?
CaptainYeah, it's usually red.
WilsonUgh.
CaptainUm, it says freshwater crustacean. Um, oh yeah, also known as water fleas, so they're that tiny.
WilsonBut they're not like uh sand fleas.
CaptainNo, they live in the water. But I just it's just weird to like they're they are the only true species that they that is how they naturally are, that they are like fully cyclops, one uh one central eye, and that's like normal for them. Um but like out of all the living things on the planet, one thing, one thing has remained one eyelid or or one eyeball, or well, I don't think you would evolve to one eye. Actually, maybe you would. I don't know, but I just think that was interesting that like that's the only one eyeball thing we've ever found.
WilsonLike how did you run across this? It was just like a late night thought, you're like, Are there any cyclones?
CaptainI think I listened, like I said, I think it was on some science podcast I was listening to. There was something about evolution and like species, like we like the it talked about um um do you know how like there was like different humanoid species, and then Homo sapiens were the ones that like won, but there was like 17 different like humanoid species.
WilsonLike sounds vaguely familiar.
CaptainLike Neanderthals were like, or Neanderthals, whatever the fuck, um, are like the one that were like our biggest rivals as like Homo sapiens, but you know, we beat them, but like they were similar in size and like brain, and like we could mate with them. I don't know if we could I don't know if Homo sapiens could mate with all the other humanoid species, but um that's why like some people still have Neanderthal DNA because like we could mate with them. Um, but like there was like a bunch of them, and like you know, the rest of them didn't survive. Homo sapiens won. But um, like I don't know, it was something about evolution, and then it this random cyclops species like came up in the conversation. Um yeah, it's like a cephalopod or something. Cyclops. Five millimeters long, um, and it's clearly divided into two sections, but it has the one central, one large eye in the center. Usually red, baby, sometimes black. But yeah, I don't know. I just was like, I mean, we don't know a lot of the stuff that's in the ocean, so there's probably a fuck ton of other shit down there that we'll never discover. But um, we found one Cyclops, so I just I don't know. It's just like weird to think about. Like, why? Like, why does it do that?
WilsonMaybe you should have been like a like a researcher, like a ocean person.
CaptainAn ocean person?
WilsonMarine biology. That's the word I'm looking for.
CaptainWhat was that? A dolphin girl? Uh a dolphin girl, yep. Um, but yeah, that's my that's my little daloon side, you know, Captain Facts. Is that the noise for your I don't know, should Captain Fax? I feel like I should have a little um like the map song, but the map song? Yeah, like Dora the Explorer, but
Captain’s Weird Animal Fact: The Cyclops
Captainyou know how it's like I'm the map, I'm the map, you know that. But are you for real?
WilsonI mean, I never really watched Dora the Explorer.
CaptainI mean, I didn't watch it, but like Well, it sounds like you knew it pretty well. Well, I you know, my little sister watched it, so maybe that's why. But don't give me that. Um, but you don't like you know you have heard of the characters in Dora the Explorer.
WilsonYeah, I just I didn't know like the little map thing had a song.
CaptainThe map has this song that like goes on forever. That's like the whole like bit is that like you would know that song because alright, you know what? Get out of here. What what's this pH you got in here?
WilsonUh oh yeah, so um just unrelated note. We uh went to a comedy show last weekend. Uh it was Pete Holmes. I don't know. Do you watch?
CaptainOh, yeah, yeah, I know who that is. Yeah, yeah.
WilsonUh he was actually really good. Um yeah, I don't know. If you don't really care about him, then like whack. But um I thought that was cool to see.
CaptainDoes he have a was he like filming a special or no?
WilsonUh he does have specials. He might be filming one. I mean, it definitely wasn't filmed here, but um yeah, I just remember seeing his YouTube videos like 10 years ago. Um, so it was like kind of cool just to see him in person.
CaptainHe's pretty funny. You know, he has a podcast. They all have podcasts. They all have podcasts. I mean, we have all podcasts. Um yeah, I've definitely seen this guy. Like, I've seen videos of him. Um he does have comedy specials. Did you you would have you would never guess his middle name unless you looked it up.
WilsonI didn't look it up. What is it?
CaptainIt's a Benedict.
WilsonBenedict. Peter Benedict Holmes.
CaptainUm well, good for you. I really want to go to more comedy shows, actually.
WilsonYeah, they're fun. Um, oh actually, the one thing I like keep forgetting about comedy shows is that they like they pack you into those seats and you're like very often sharing a table with strangers. Oh, you're just like butt to butt, and like it just uh it's fine. I just forgot, and then like going immediately into a situation where you were like a foot away from somebody else and you like have to interact. I just like I need a little more preparation for that, but yeah.
CaptainThe last company show I went to was actually like a micro show, like um they like the room literally only held like 32 people, like it was it's a bitsy, yeah. Okay, but it was actually really cool, like you it's like it almost feels like you found a secret spot to like you know. But yeah, there's like this little comedy club wedged between a bunch of bars in the main bar neighborhood, and um like I I've walked past it a thousand times. I didn't even know it was a comedy club, but yeah, it's like this tiny little spot, and they they still pack you in like sardines, but it doesn't hold that very many people. Um, but you're like really nobody wants to sit in the front row. Like it's only three rows, and like nobody wants to sit in the front row. So, like, you know, whoever gets their last gets you know in the front and gets talked to, but um that luckily wasn't us, so huh.
WilsonYeah, I'm not a front row person. Pete did not pick on people. Um, however, I guess like there was a couple that didn't show up in the very front row, so he was just like, Does anyone want to come up here? And this girl in front of us, I feel like jokingly was like, Me. And he was like, Okay, come up here. And then like her and her like partner were like, they were like, What do we what do we do? And he's like, Are you are you coming? or they did eventually go up front.
CaptainYeah, I I think he would have to preface it by being like, Hey, I won't pick on you if you come up here.
WilsonYeah, and also I feel like you don't know, like, is somebody showing up? Are they in the bathroom? Is there room for both of us?
CaptainYeah, that's fair. But so you had to pick your seat before you went?
WilsonUh no. Wait. I don't think so. I think it was just like he wanted somebody to come up there. Yeah, and I think when we bought ours, it was like, do you want VIP up front-ish or do
Comedy Club Night And Crowd Etiquette
Wilsonyou want like further back?
CaptainOkay. I think one time I actually, thinking back, I think I did sit in the front row one time for a comedy club, but um we were not very talkative. Like we didn't really he could tell that we didn't really want to interact, so he kind of left us alone after a few minutes. Oh, good. Okay. Um raid the room. Yeah. I was like, don't talk to me. I don't want to. I don't want to. Anyway, um, okay. Where are we at? Um, how are we feeling? Oh, are you drinking anything?
WilsonYeah, I'm drinking a fucking cone.
CaptainOh, fucking coat.
WilsonI actually panicked earlier today because I like looked in the mini fridge and I was like, oh god, I don't have anything to drink. Um, but they were hiding.
CaptainSo I'm I thought you I thought you were gonna say I went to I had to go to my secret cone stash because my mini my mini fridge was empty. I had to go to my other cone stash.
WilsonOh no, no, no. I wish.
CaptainUh okay, I'm drinking something I've never had before. It's called Winbridge Cider. Um oh, I think it's from York. Uh by you.
WilsonUh but I mean I mean I think I feel like York's like probably closer to me.
CaptainUm but it's cranberry. Okay, I really wish I liked um pumpkin stuff. I love pumpkin food. Pumpkin food is so good. Pumpkin liquid, not my fave.
WilsonI'll do a pumpkin beer.
CaptainI just I don't know. I've tried it and I'm just not like I have some that someone brought over. They're just gonna fucking sit here. But they brought these cranberries.
WilsonI'm gonna drink them all. There was um I I've been really upset recently because Costco has not kept in stock their French toast bagels. I yeah, I got tricked because I went last week and I was like, oh, that's the right shade of bagel. But no, they were pumpkin bagels.
CaptainWait, uh pumpkin bagels, okay. Pumpkin bagels are delicious, and you're a fucking liar.
WilsonI guess I would I'm open to trying one, but you have to buy like like two dozen bagels or some shit whenever when you if you go to Costco. You have to buy like bulk, and I'm like, I don't need that many pumpkin bagels, especially if I hate them.
unknownOkay.
CaptainWell, I've had pumpkin bagels before and they're delicious.
WilsonSo they reeked of pumpkin. Like the package was closed, and I walked in the general vicinity, and it was like I was in a pumpkin pack.
CaptainOkay, well, that's the way they should be.
WilsonAlright, well.
CaptainI better be bombed with pumpkin. Um, I um I think I taught- I can't remember I told you this, but um they make pumpkin. Okay, they always do this to me. Like they make there's pumpkin popcorn I bought that was like the greatest popcorn I ever had.
unknownOkay.
CaptainLike two bags, gone forever. Gone forever. Never to be seen again.
WilsonUm can you get like pumpkin seasoning and just like sprinkle it into a oh I don't know.
CaptainI would need to like like you know, toss it. You know what I mean?
WilsonLike I really gotta like are you like into popcorn? Like, do you really like popcorn? I have a follow-up question, depending on your answer.
CaptainUm, I would say popcorn's fine. Uh it's the pumpkin, dude.
WilsonWell, okay, so I'm asking because we have this thing, uh, it's called like a whirly pop, and you do it on the stove. And you can put in whatever you want to. So like you could put in pumpkin flavoring, and then you like stir it in and you like cook it on the stove and it would like bake in the pumpkin.
CaptainSo it sounds like in December we're whirly popping.
WilsonYeah, I mean it you'd have to bring the pumpkin if you wanted pumpkin, but otherwise we can we can
Drinks, Pumpkin Debates, And Popcorn Plans
Wilsonstill have popcorn.
CaptainI I'm trying to think because I know they sell pumpkin pie seasoning. Uh but I don't I feel like I don't know, I guess I've seen I don't know. Have I seen pumpkin seasoning?
WilsonUm, I mean I just Googled it. You can get pumpkin spice popcorn seasoning for $3.99.
CaptainLike specifically for popcorn is crazy.
WilsonYeah. Yeah.
CaptainUm okay, so it sounds like I'm gonna buy like seven bottles of spice. Seven bottles, yes. And then we're gonna whirly pop.
WilsonWe're gonna whirly pop it up.
CaptainWe're gonna whirly pop like you never popped before.
WilsonI just sent you uh a link.
CaptainYeah. To Walmart. That's making me confirm I'm not a robot. Um I'm sorry, you couldn't tell I was a robot or not? It's asked me to it says we're not sure. Try again.
WilsonSorry.
CaptainCheck marking everything.
WilsonAlright, well that's the d oh yeah, so we're in two two podcasts from now. We're bo we're recording together.
CaptainIn two podcasts from now.
WilsonWell, the after this one and after the next one.
CaptainOh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm I math is hard. Let's go shopping, you know what I'm saying? Um do we like this kernel seasoning brand? I kind of hate whatever the fuck they have on the packaging.
WilsonLike I despise it. I kind of like it. I think it's cute. It's a little popcorn kernel with a hat.
CaptainIt's giving yeah, but it's giving um this is gonna taste like trash because it's marketed towards children.
WilsonHmm, that is fair.
CaptainThat's that's the vibe that I'm getting, but you know, I could be reading really far. Too far.
WilsonYou know, the top reviewer is great popcorn day setting.
CaptainSo written by a child.
WilsonI mean Robin. Also, the second one there is written by Mountain Girl, so I don't know. This gives off horse girl vibes. Um I don't know.
CaptainAlright, I I I think we're gonna have to whirly pop a couple of like we'll gonna have to try some different or report back on the on this episode.
WilsonOh, bring back Quiet Snack Initiative.
CaptainUm I don't I think popcorn is medium volume.
WilsonIt's the opposite of Quiet Snack Initiative, but half of our snacks were uh alright.
CaptainHow about we uh Oh yeah, let's pop in here. You you pop me in here.
WilsonAlright, alright. I need to put down that fidget toy that I just I just picked it up. What?
CaptainLet me see it.
WilsonUm it looks like a Lego. It's a magnet that slides like this, so if I it makes like a clicking noise when I slide it together.
CaptainSee, I can't hear it at all.
WilsonOh, I heard it like bananas crazy. Um I think because Zoom is silencing it, but Audacity will not do that. Uh-uh.
CaptainUm, get me in here. Get me in here.
WilsonGet you in here. Alright, so welcome to the 181st
Episode Intro: Red Rum Reviews Awoken (2019)
Wilsonepisode of the Red Rum Podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two.
CaptainAnd I'm Captain.
WilsonAnd I'm Wilson, and this week we're reviewing the 2019 Australian horror film Blank. Um, no, it's called called Awoken. Uh I like how you filled in everything else about the film.
CaptainOkay, because if you scroll up, the very first thing I put in here is movie title.
WilsonSo it's not my uh so this was directed by Daniel J. Phillips. Um he's done a couple shorts, but this sounds like this was his like big uh theatrical directorial debut. Well, okay, I don't think I went in theaters, but like a movie feature-length uh film. Um he does have an upcoming screenplay for a movie called Diabolic.
CaptainMm-hmm. Wait, why does that say October 25?
WilsonDid it already come out? Well, I mean, you put this in here.
CaptainYeah, but am I wrong?
WilsonAm I wrong? I just thought of that like clip of that guy yelling about Glinda.
CaptainWho?
WilsonIt was like a really old video, and he's like, She flew down in a bubble. She was a witch.
CaptainHer sister was a princess, yeah. Oh no, I think this did already come out. It says a woman's hope for a miracle cure turns into a nightmare when she confronts the vengeful spirit of a cursed witch.
WilsonUm, this has an 8.2 out of 10 on
Director, Cast, And Setup
WilsonIMDB, which is significantly higher than this film.
CaptainOh, sorry. It says coming soon. Oh, it'll be out by the time this comes out. I don't know why I wrote October. It says November.
WilsonThe Girl Out looks familiar as some movie we saw recently, but couldn't tell you.
CaptainShe loves look-alike actors. Like he either he loves them or um this is we're like getting into such a full circle that like nobody can look different.
WilsonNope. Uh his IMDB photo reminds me of like a LinkedIn picture.
CaptainUm, there are IMBD photos that I've seen like that. He's not alone. Um I I don't think we're gonna be able to watch this diabolic movie because it's Australian. So like, well maybe eventually streaming, but I don't think it'd be like out and about.
WilsonI mean eventually. This movie is Australian.
CaptainNo, I sorry, I just mean like we won't we probably won't be able to see it in theaters.
WilsonOh, yeah.
CaptainI doesn't it's not giving that.
WilsonWho knows? Who knows? Uh alright, so that was that's him. That's Dan Dan Daniel. Yep. Uh okay, so we got some cast. Sarah West plays Carla. Um she was in a film called Don't Tell. She was nominated for an AACTA award.
CaptainUh Australian something.
WilsonAustralian something something. Um, and she's in an Australian soap opera called Neighbours. So probably well known over there in Australia.
CaptainAustralia.
WilsonUh Eric Thompson as Robert. Um, so he played Hades in the Hercules uh television series. He was in Xena, uh Young Hercules.
CaptainXena Princess Warrior Princess is like actually a real show that uh was over in the US.
WilsonSo I mean Hercules was too.
CaptainOh, really?
WilsonAre you telling me you do not watch Hercules?
CaptainLike you give off the show? I mean I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Finish that sentence. Sir, I give off what?
WilsonI mean, like these animated like kids movies and TV shows, because whenever I'm like, I don't know what that is, and you're like, Wait, Young Hercules is an animated show? Well, no, I clicked one and it's not. Um, is that Ryan Gosling? That is Ryan Gosling.
CaptainHe worked with the R RG.
WilsonThe RG. And Sam Raimi was an executive producer on this show. I wonder if it was good.
CaptainYoung Hercules? I mean, it could be.
WilsonOh, it was a Fox Kids show. Okay, so we did have it in the United States.
CaptainOh, that is Ryan Gosling. Wow, that man never changes, huh? Well, actually, he just filled his face with a bunch of shit,
Opening Claims: Sleep Disorders And Priests
Captainso.
WilsonWell.
CaptainOkay, go on.
WilsonGo on. Um. Oh yeah. And then we have Benson Jack Anthony as Blake. Um, he's done some animated voice acting roles.
CaptainYeah, I don't really recognize them, but there were some ones in there.
WilsonUh, we also had Matt Crook. Uh he was a pretty big person in this movie. Who? Um, Pat? Pat. Who? Did I say Pat? No, was he Pat? Oh yeah, sorry, yes. He played Patrick. Um I don't I'm not familiar with any of these things. I wonder if he's also Australian? Yeah, like I was gonna say heavily Australian, but that um okay. So that's that's some of the cast.
CaptainUh we can jump into the Yeah, so the movie starts out with um like not comic sans. I don't know what font they were trying to use that um it has on the screen that one in three people have sleep disorders. 95% of those people don't survive if they go more than if they go 18 days without sleep. And it says the people that survive that don't need doctors, dot dot dot, they need priests.
WilsonThat like felt like a line out of like, I don't know, scary movie or like uh Oh really? I don't know. It's like you need a priest. I it just it was like very whatever. I don't know. Who knows what I'm talking about?
CaptainI I mean I don't know. I uh i it was fine. I don't know, I thought it was fine for me, but I so what it's giving me the information that I need.
WilsonThat's fair. Um so the opening scene is like a little kid that I'm pretty sure is being molested by his father, and the father goes into his brother's room, I think, to then molest him also.
CaptainUm yeah, to get him to shut up, yeah.
WilsonYeah, and then I think there are better ways. Um, but uh the little kid's like eyes turn white and he turns all demonic.
CaptainYeah and he speaks Latin. Yeah, the typical um you know, that everyday thing that we see when people need exorcisms.
WilsonYeah, and then I think we see the dad die here or yeah, I think Cody like
From Hospital To Secret Sleep Lab
Wilsonthe future.
CaptainYeah, the kid's name's Cody, and yeah, the implication is yeah, that his dad's been like sliced or whatever. Um, and then it cuts to college med students, Carla, um, who what's her friend's name? Alice. The two of them are in class, and like, yeah, they're medical students, but I guess they're uh focusing in like uh neurology or something, because it's like they're in class about neurological science symptoms, signs, diseases, but um it makes sense because we find out quickly that Carla's brother, Blake, has developed a rare FFI disease, fatal familial insomnia. That's a real thing, by the way. I looked it up.
WilsonI feel like I had heard about it before. It is, I mean, that is very fair uh terrifying.
CaptainYeah, it's like a real neurodegenerative disease that eventually does kill you.
WilsonI I um I know part of the synopsis is from Wikipedia, but I am confused by how that sentence is worded, because it says she's a med student whose brother has a rare disorder after witnessing their parents die in a murder suicide. So is it implying that he got the rare disorder disorder after wit like because he witnessed that?
CaptainThat is what that sounds like, but that's not how FFI works. So um yeah, I don't know. But that's I mean, I guess did they even die in a murder suicide? Like, I don't know if I'd call it that.
WilsonI mean, I guess the police probably reported it that way, or that's what the person that we'll identify later reported it as.
CaptainYeah, anyway, um, yeah, she's like really upset about her brother. Um her brother's in the hospital. Um, because she's upset about her brother, she's also like dealing with insomnia. Um, but her brother has like this actual FFI uh diagnosis. Um and then I'm not really sure. So I guess the hospital like decided that they can't help him. Like he's gone like more than the 18 days that people usually don't survive, and they were like, you really should just take him home and let him be comfortable at home for the last few moments, I guess. Right? And then her professor was like, Okay, I got you something. We can take him to this old basement where I used to conceal sleep studies. I said, sir, conceal is the word we're using.
WilsonImmediate red flag.
CaptainHuge red flag. Like, how is that the best option?
WilsonI mean, I guess she's desperate and she trusts this man.
CaptainI just I heard the word conceal. I said, absolutely not. Like, um, yeah, I she I mean she was she was upset that the hospital said like we're gonna turn him away because um, you know, she was like, he's just gonna die at home. If you if you tell me to take him home, he's just gonna die there. Which I don't know. They basically were like, he's gonna die here too. Like, we can't help him.
WilsonUm, but then what? Yeah, they still decide to sneak him out of the hospital, even though they were gonna release him anyway.
CaptainYeah, I'm confused about the sneaking. I don't really know what that was about. And then this Dr. Robert guy, her professor slash boss, was like, yeah, here we'll take him to the secret basement where I used to conceal these illegal sleep studies. Um, and um nobody knows about it because he should be shut down, but it's not. He's like, I he basically said he like squirreled away drugs that he's not supposed to be using. Like he like, you know what I mean? He was like, you know, I was like, sir, what is that? Why are we trusting this man with other people's lives?
WilsonAlso, how is he not caught?
CaptainBecause like they watched There are other people very closely. Oh yeah, that's true. Like
Hidden Tapes And A Past Experiment
Captainhe was if he's giving, you know, opioids or whatever, I'm like, sir, the DEA is gonna catch that there are supplies missing. Um, but there are other people down there. Like, it's not just Blake, there are two other students or people down there. I'm like, why are these people not like being searched for?
WilsonOr like they're locked in this basement. There's like no TV, there's like this horrendous bright overhead light on constantly. And did you see any food down there?
CaptainNope. No kitchen, nope, nothing. Um, okay, so she brings her brother down there, and then what happens? Um, we meet Patrick. Well, kind of. We meet about we learn about his history, I guess. That him and Carla used to date or whatever. Um, and then I think shortly after, or like that first night they spend down there, her and her friend Alice find that hidden box in the wall.
WilsonYes, which was full of old VHS tapes of uh Carla's dad during a sleep study or whatever that he did trying to cure their mom or her mom.
CaptainYeah, Sarah. Um, so they like filmed the whole thing back in the 70s or 80s or whatever. Um, 70s. Um, no, that's too old. I guess 80s. Um, but um it was like a bunch of doctors. Robert was there, their dad was a doctor, and then um they brought a priest in because I guess Sarah was kind of religious sometimes.
WilsonUm, but what it's like the sometimes.
CaptainI don't know. It sounded like the husband, their dad was really, you know, very science-y, but like sounds like their mom, you know, believed in some type of religion. Um, I guess Catholicism, but so there's a priest there that's kind of like also watching this and seeing if he can help at all. Um but I can't remember. They they watch the tapes and then I don't even remember what happens after that. I think they hide it because they think someone's coming, and then Blake they start like seeing the scenes of Blake doing weird shit, like ripping pages out of the Bible. That all happens like within the first night or second night. Um so yeah, he's like in a trance ripping pages out of a Bible, and then like the next day, you know, the one of the girls in the sleep study with him, Angela's like terrified of him as he's acting like happy go lucky.
WilsonUm, they're locked in this room, which doesn't have a bathroom, by the way. And this kid's like chanting, and she just has to stay there. I'd be freaked out too.
CaptainYeah, she's like terrified of him. Um and basically as we cut between current times and them watching the tapes, like over the course of a few nights, it's like Sarah, Blake's doing a lot of stuff. Sarah, her mom was doing in the tapes, like again, ripping the pages out of the Bible and chanting and scaring other patients. Um Angela does eventually tell Carla that Blake is trying to kill her. Um, but you know, nobody else really believes her. Um, however, shortly after that, Angela um like I don't uh that scene of her like committing suicide, like um she's terrified of Blake and is like screaming at him to stop whatever he's doing. Um, I guess chanty in the corner, and then like she suddenly snaps out of it and then just like calmly hangs herself.
WilsonUm yeah, she gets like half possessed. I guess the yeah.
CaptainOh, and Blake says this is a present for you, KJ. And like smirks at her. Well, demon
Blake’s Behavior Turns And First Death
Captainvoice, I should say.
WilsonRight, yeah.
CaptainUm, because he's like in and out of demon voice a lot of the movie. Um so I think um they decide that they want to leave, right? Because Angela's dead, but Robert, the Dr. Robert guy was like, you know, oh shoot, the elevator stuck and the staircases collapsed. And um I can make a phone call to try to get somebody to come out here and help us. Um, but when he talks to the guy on the phone, he says it'll be like at least like the afternoon of like the following day, which is like such a not normal response. Like if you hear humans are trapped like in a underground, like that is I'm kind of busy. Yeah, you're not gonna be like at the bottom of the maintenance list. Like I immediately I was like, this man is shisty as hell. There is no way that was a real conversation. Like nobody else was could hear nothing. So I was like, I don't, I don't believe this guy for a second, which you know your girl knew, so called it. Called it. Um, but yeah, so now they're like, oh shoot, we're stuck. Um but um yeah, I I I don't know, I kind of lost it. They had like a couple of sad conversations at one point. Um Blake chokes his own sister in demon voice, right?
WilsonYes, he does. Yes. Okay, I forgot about that.
CaptainAnd then um, oh, I think shortly after this, um I don't know. Sarah does a bunch of creepy shit in the videos too, but it really turns around when Alice is like, okay, we need to, like, I've been looking at this priest journal that was in hidden behind the wall, and like, um, we need to do a motherfucking exorcism. Like, I I know that we all are men students and we believe in science, but like it's all in this priest journal. Like, we gotta do this. They don't believe her, um, but that kind of backfires on them because Alice um dies like pretty quickly.
WilsonYeah, she goes to a room by herself and she like hears something in the vent, and then we like see her kind of later, and her eyes are all bloody, hands are bloody, and then she like possess attacks Patrick at Carla.
CaptainYeah, but she's like just basically burns herself alive on the from the inside.
WilsonYes. They like she disconnects a power cable and sticks it in her throat, or something like that.
CaptainMm-hmm. She's dead so. Um They do watch the very final tape um around this time, and it is um the priest saying, like, you know, everything went to shit. Um, I'm hiding these tapes in the wall. Whoever finds these, you have to know that um the Robert doctor guy is responsible for all the deaths that happened. And then it ends with um him like shoving the tape recorder in the wall, but you can hear Robert like basically attacking him and and killing him. So the doctor that this is the doctor that still currently is alive and running this sleep study. So, like, that's the sh, you know. Not only did I call that he was shy at the beginning with this phone call, but like he fully shows himself at the end there when it's obvious that he has killed, he killed the priest um a couple of years ago. Um, so Carla was like, okay, we um, you know, I think her and Patrick are still there and still alive, and they're like, we gotta um we we gotta try to do an exorcism, Blake. So she grabs the priest journal and she acts like she's never read a prayer before in her life. Oh, I don't understand, like, okay, I get it. We're you're supposed to be like hard science person, cool. But like she acts like she's never she doesn't even know how incantations the
Locked In And Suspicions About Robert
Captainconcept of how that they work, where you have to like finish them, read them and like you have to start, read, and finish them in that order.
WilsonLike she's she she stops constantly.
CaptainShe's like flipping through the journal and like just reading random Bible versions.
WilsonI don't know what that was about. I guess she was trying to find the incantation to like see what would work, but yeah, and then she does find some type of incantation that starts to work, but she's like not like fucking reading it.
CaptainI'm like, girl, you gotta like we gotta go.
WilsonYeah.
CaptainI know you like if we want to live in this universe of where you've never seen exorcism before, like, fine, but I girl, I know you've seen like uh how a prayer works. Like, gotta read the whole thing. I I don't know. Um but yeah, because she's like stopping um and and Patrick's trying to help whatever, it's not the Dr. Robert guy comes in and stops them. He actually like stabs uh Patrick with like a switch blade. Um and then I think knocks Carla out and she wakes up.
WilsonWell, before that, he or she throws that uh hydrochloric acid in his face. Yeah that was just sitting on the floor.
CaptainYeah, just chillin', bottle on the floor, just chilling, right in his face. Yeah, he's got a bubbly cheek. Um but Carla wakes up and um we find out that oh I wanted to look that up if that's a real demon. Um but we find out that um the Robert guy said, Um, oh Carla said, why didn't you just kill me? And he said, Um, I needed to, or he said, uh a demo um consumes the stronger, or sorry, needs to consume because the more he consumes, the stronger he be he becomes. So I needed all of you alive. Um and he basically uh explains his motive. So he was that boy in the beginning of the movie that was being molested, and he called that man his monster, and he said the demon, this demon, a demo, saved him because it possessed Cody, and Cody killed the monster. Um, so because of that, he decided that he wanted to save a demo and free him into the world so he can repay the favor. Um I agree with you that that rationale is a little hooky kooky.
WilsonLike, okay, I'm a little far.
CaptainI I understand your abuser's dead, but like we do know that it's it is a demon that we're freeing. Like it is it's still a demon.
WilsonLike, I feel like they could have given a throwaway line in there, like, oh, in return, the demon requests that you freed him. And be like, okay. Oh that makes sense. No, but no, the demon didn't as far as we saw the demon request anything, it just killed his abuser.
CaptainThis was free choice. Yeah. This was full free will.
WilsonUm And then his sibling killed himself to stop the demon from being freed, and the brother was like, Oh, you know what, I'm gonna make it my life goal to free the demon. Were those brothers I I I mean captives?
CaptainThere were a lot of boys in that house, so I thought that was actually a sleep study. Or sorry, like a sleep, like an inpatient asylum for sleep patients.
WilsonI don't know. That guy did not look like he was any sort of medical professional.
CaptainOh, well, yeah. I yeah, I mean I didn't think that guy was medical professional, the abuser, but I I don't know. It doesn't really specify, but yes, Cody does kill himself to prevent the demon from freeing him from being free. And Robert was like, you know what, man?
WilsonI want more of that.
CaptainYeah, we're doing more of that. Um and I they
The Journal, Exorcism Plan, And Alice’s Fate
Captainthey don't go into a ton of detail, but I I I think they implied it enough that I understand that it sounds like you know, uh like the demon he he needs to he needs a human host, um, and he needs to like feed on that human host and feed on other people around that human host, and then once he feeds on enough people, um, he's strong enough to be free, but it his initial like contact point has to be through somebody that has insomnia, and typically those people that have insomnia don't live long enough for him to get strong enough to be free, like they die before he they can they die before he can be strong enough to free himself. So um Blake is just a special case where like he's gone way beyond the 18-day mark of usually where insomnia would kill you. Um so Robert is like protecting Blake at all cost, not allowing him to be exercised because he's trying to free this demon. Um so at least that part in the scheme of this universe of the movie makes sense. Um so that's why he stops them from doing the exorcism. Um, and he, you know, tells that story to Carla. Um but I don't know, the end gets really weird where like, you know, he's doing the he's trying to, he's reading the special incantation to get the demon free from the human host, and Blake's like cutting his eyes out. I was like, what is happening? You know what I mean?
WilsonYeah, well it's like I they showed this earlier in the film too. I don't even know if they're cutting their eyes out. It just looks like they're cutting like their eyelid just above the eye, because the eye looks fine.
CaptainOh, it's just like wide eyeing all the way, basically.
WilsonYeah, I don't uh yeah, I don't get it.
CaptainUm, but you know, KJ they get to a scene where like KJ is reading like verses from the Bible to free him, and at the same time that uh Robert is reading like demon-freeing incantations. Like they're reading they're like reading at Blake at the same time, so it looks a little funky.
WilsonUh but I think like doesn't the doctor say something that pisses the demon off that he's like, you don't control me?
CaptainYeah, I think part of the incantation, which I don't think the doctor fully understood the Latin that he was reading, but it sounded like part of that says, like, you know, I I'm assuming the only reason that even exists is because someone wanted to control it, use a demon, you know, to do something for them. And so the he was reading that incantation, the demon like stops him and was like, You don't control me, like you can't tell me what to do. Um, and he was like, No, that's not what I was trying to do, but it's too late. The demon like possesses him and quickly makes him kill himself, like fall on a stake that's somehow in this basement. Um, so he's out the picture real quick, which again, I was like, dude, I could have told you that. You're trying to free a demon. Like, it's not gonna be a buddy buddy on your side.
WilsonRight.
CaptainUm so yeah, KJ is there to um try to finish. What she did she finish the exorcism? Oh no. She tries to and then she just gives up and says, Blake, fight him, fight him. I guess Blake does.
WilsonYeah, then you see like some effects of a ghostly demonic figure being sucked out of the body and disappears into the ground.
CaptainI'm like, he just fights the demon out. I'm like, well, we could have all done that. Like Blake's barely alive. He's hasn't slept for like 25 days or something.
WilsonLike, yeah. Um so then it went cuts to three days later, they're sleeping in the hospital, and it zooms in to Carla's eye.
CaptainYeah, and you can hear demon whispers, which is what was happening to Blake. So it sounds like the demon is now affecting her, which again, she she
The Priest’s Warning And Robert Unmasked
Captainkind of had sleep um paralysis, or not paralysis, sorry. She had like insomnia issues um this whole time. But I is it the movie implies it's like mostly stressed from her brother, but now it sounds like it's gonna be like involved with the demon.
WilsonSo Yeah, I still don't really understand why the doctor like needed to collect these people in the basement because this demon clearly can just go antagonize whoever he wants. Like, I is the doctor making it worse to make sure the demon can get in.
CaptainLike, I don't What do you mean? I think the demon just needs somebody that has insomnia to start.
WilsonYeah.
CaptainAnd then, like, through living in that human host and using that human host to like kill other people, he gets stronger.
WilsonWell, yeah, but I guess like at the end we see that it's implying that she's probably gonna get possessed or something. But she's not in that lab that that that doctor put together, so why did the doctor need like this sleep study lab to try to freeze?
CaptainI think he was I think he was trying to find somebody that could survive long. So he was just collecting people that had insomnia to see if any of them could like live long, which Blake happened to be able to do that.
WilsonOkay.
CaptainYeah.
WilsonSo interesting.
CaptainHe was like fishing, basically, but he caught something. Yeah, yeah, I did. Um yeah, that's what we got. Did you find a demu is a real that I'm assuming that's a real demon?
WilsonI did read about it very briefly. Um, so I guess they changed the spelling. It typically starts with an E. Um It's like a loose, I guess, interpretation. The a Dimu is um it's like a Mesopotamian type uh it's always Mesopotamia. Yeah. Um but they were known as like wind spirits that suck the life out of the susceptible and the sleeping.
CaptainOkay.
WilsonSo sorta, sorta, kinda.
CaptainIt's close enough. Um yeah, the one thing on Wikipedia says that they were envisioned to be ghosts that were not buried properly. So yeah, they're loose is definitely yeah.
WilsonYeah, well good for them. They A for effort um ish.
CaptainYeah, I I always kind of wonder how these movies start, because I'm like, did you just like happen to come upon like certain demons like and what they're known for and decide like to make a movie about that?
WilsonOr I feel like it's probably like I want to tell this type of story, so let's do some research of like anything that already exists that we could say is the bad guy.
CaptainHmm.
WilsonLike, I don't know.
CaptainUm I did
Demon Lore, Motive, And Broken Rituals
Captainlook up I did uh look up like um FFI like in a little bit more detail, but it is a neurodegenerative disease that um seems to be from prions, which are like um they're like um normal protein that um is copied in your body, but a prion is like a protein that's copied incorrectly, like it's folded wrong, and because it's folded wrong, it like creates a bunch of cell death in your body or like cell um like mutations that like destroy your body from the inside.
WilsonI've heard of like other diseases caused by that, like it's a whole family of yeah, prions are like really scary.
CaptainLike people do um research on prions, and I it always like freaks me out because like they're basically like considered infectious because they're peak we don't fully understand them. So even if like an animal is given a prion, we're like don't don't fucking touch it.
WilsonLike yeah, because isn't that what mad cow disease is too?
CaptainOh yeah, I think yeah, yeah, I think it is. But yeah, we like I don't think we fully under like we still I don't fully understand them and they're just like scary. So because it's like it just like you wouldn't think misfolded protein it causes such a problem, but it's I mean it like folds wrong and your body's like you know, I mean it's just a destructive force inside. So um, but yeah, because of that, it like destroys your brain basically. Um in this in FFI, like you eventually like you can't sleep, and then you know you'll get dementia, you'll get Alzheimer's really early, but you know, within a few months, usually people just you know, they just die because they can't like your brain just cannot sleep. That sounds so brutal terrible torture. Like, I get it that people would want to kill themselves. Like I mean, oh I can't even imagine. Um there's a similar, I don't think this is a prion disease, but there's a similar disease, but it's the opposite. Like I I've heard of it before, actually, but like sleeping beauty disease is when people get hypersomnia where like they'll like naturally like they just sleep for like 24 hours, like in random random uh you know uh circumstances. Um I actually watched a TikTok of somebody that was going through this and like explaining their story of how they got diagnosed. Um because like just big chunks of time would be missing where they'd be like sleeping for two days. Like really scary. Like it didn't like Is that deadly too?
WilsonDo they just like eventually not wake up or what?
CaptainUm I don't know if that's deadly actually, but they just like sleep for really long periods of time. Um some episodes can last for weeks, it says. Um but yeah, they'll like sleep for like 20 hours a day, wake up very occasionally to like eat ferociously, use the bathroom and then like immediately fall back asleep. Like eating in and using the bathroom in like a half sleep state, basically, just to just it's called um KLS. Um Klein Levin syndrome. Oh yeah, they briefly mentioned that in the movie. They talk about that in class.
WilsonOkay.
CaptainUm oh yeah, and that's the other thing. It part of this disease is like you lose inhibitions, and because you have like hypersomnia, you get other like hyperactivity. Um, and sometimes it causes like um like um like basically like insane sexual desire. Like people get in really scary situations because of this disease where they just like throw themselves into like not like very dangerous sex uh like you know, circumstances. Um also not fully understood. KLS. But yeah, very weird, like very interesting to read about. Like I could listen to a whole podcast about it, but it kind of makes me grateful that like my sle at least I have sleep, you know.
Climax: Competing Incantations And Consequences
CaptainAt least out of all the problems I can do. I have a normal sleep person body. Um yeah. Anyway. Um do we have anything? Have anything to mention? I don't really have a lot of numnums.
WilsonOh my gosh. Yeah, it doesn't seem like there are numdums for this movie.
CaptainUm I don't think it was in theaters, like you said.
WilsonYeah, let me see the average letterbox rating. I feel like it was a two something.
CaptainIs Letterbox have like literally every movie on here? I've never searched a movie and it's not been on here.
WilsonYeah, I don't know where they like pull from. Um the average rating on letterbox is 2.2. I gave it a 1.
CaptainOh my god.
WilsonYeah, and I also gave it an 11%.
CaptainWow, you already rated it? Um I don't think it's that bad.
WilsonUm I would give it because I was looking at my below rating, like the the movie we did last time, and it's like, well, I liked below better.
CaptainAnd below I gave a 15, so I would say I don't think this movie's that bad. The script is rough, but they they do the best they can with the acting. Like for a movie that is you know, this kind of like I don't know if niche is the right word, but like, you know, it doesn't have a big theatrical release, it doesn't have like a ton of marketing. I I would I would expect way worse. You know what I mean? Um I don't think this movie is that bad. I'm gonna give it like a 45.
WilsonWow.
CaptainI think I'm gonna give it generous. That's generous. Um, like there's a story. There's a beginning, there's an end.
WilsonUm it's like the bare minimum.
CaptainThere's uh there is like the revelation scene where it's like, oh my god, the doctor's been crazy and shicey the whole time.
WilsonBut yeah, but you called that from the beginning.
CaptainIt's a little too obvious in the beginning. So it would be nice if there was more of a shock value. Um yeah, I'm gonna give it two stars. Um what what what's the hot goss we got?
WilsonUh it's pretty average. Um the director drew inspiration from um the Russian sleep experiment, um which is heavily about sleep deprivation. Also use the exorcist and conjuring as uh light influences, it seems like.
CaptainIs the Russian sleep experiment did we learn about that in college?
WilsonI don't think so.
CaptainIs this like just a torture experiment to see how long people can go without sleep?
WilsonThis looks like it's fake.
CaptainOh. Oh, it's a creepy pasta. Oh yeah, it's just like a torture
Resolution Hints And Final Sting
Captainsleep story. Urban legend.
WilsonYeah, okay. Um it also I didn't catch this, but uh the director wanted to make a film that had three distinct styles of heaven, earth, and hell, and I guess you can see it as colors in the film. I would I would never have caught that. Like never ever ever ever.
CaptainI didn't I I actually caught it at the end, but that was only because I I wrote this in here earlier. But I do remember the movie being very blue and light in the beginning, and then it gets very like dark and amber, like a uh like a warm, you know, fiery kind of tone to it at the end. But if you go back to the beginning, it does start very like fluorescent and like kind of you know blue-toned. Um so I mean they did it, it's in there.
WilsonOkay, sure. Yeah, I'll take it.
CaptainUm yeah, and that's the FFI thing.
WilsonYeah, we talked about FFI.
CaptainYeah, I think that link in there was from somebody actually interviewed him, but um, it wasn't really that interesting. I already pulled out the most interesting thing, which were the two things you just you already read.
WilsonOkay. I'll do an honorable mention to sometimes I like to read on IMDB um the trivia, but like the trivia that people downvote the most.
CaptainOkay.
WilsonUm the one that's most downvoted is it says the medical acronym FFI stands for Fatal Familial Insomnia. I'm like, okay, well, did you watch the movie?
CaptainI mean I know they do say that. It's like literally written on a slide.
WilsonYikes. Um, yeah, I don't know. That's all I got.
CaptainUm what's your um you got a you got a rag?
WilsonOh man.
CaptainSo you would like not recommend. You like hate this.
WilsonI don't and well, I don't hate it. I just I don't know who I would recommend this movie to. Like if you're like
FFI And Prion Science Deep Dive
Wilsonreally into sleep disorders.
CaptainLike, I guess this is more of an exorcism movie, which there are just way better exorcism movies. Actually, it's not like an exorcism did not get completed.
WilsonWell, it sort of did.
CaptainHe just fought it out with hope. I don't know.
unknownYeah.
WilsonUm, okay. I a raise of glass. If anything, I did like the scene where like it was the video of the dad, you know, monitoring the sleep studies, and it like the camera pans up and the wife is just like right up in the glass staring at him, the the one-way glass. Um I thought that was good. I like that.
CaptainYeah, and uh that scene's even cooler because right after, like if they're watching this in a tape and they like rewind the tape and watch it back, and Sarah's not in there that position anymore.
WilsonUh well, so there's two scenes like that, because there's the one where they were in a different room watching the tape, um, and like you saw her in the background really quick, and then they pan back or they rerund it and she wasn't there. But I was talking about a different scene.
CaptainOh.
WilsonWhere she's like right up against the two-way glass.
CaptainOh, that one looked up and she was just like staring, and he's like, he's like, he she shouldn't be able to see us.
WilsonYeah.
CaptainOkay, that okay, that was towards the end. Um, I think my raise the glass is right before kind of like the big turn where like, you know, before Alice dies, um, she basically, you know, uh Carla and Patrick are like sitting there watching these, re watching these tapes from a couple of decades ago. And Alice walks in and she's like, You guys both gotta see this. And she was explains then that she's been reading this uh priest's journal that has like these incantations in it, and he came to the realization that an exorcism had to happen. Um and she's like explaining this with full normal, like it's any anything normal to say, and she's like, you know, we we gotta we gotta wait, we gotta go, we gotta get this started quickly because if we go too long, the demon will be able to get out. Like, you know, it's fully explained in this journal. Like, we just gotta follow his rules. And Sarah's like, um, okay, what? Like, or or Carla, Carla, like she, because like she's a med student, so she's like listening to everything, and she's like, Okay, what? Like, I I just love, like, I actually laughed a little when she did that because it was just like uh, you know, she's just like, girl, what the fuck are you talking about? Um, but I mean, she Alice was correct, but uh I don't know, something about that scene made me laugh. And also, um, honorable mention, they did try to do a creepy crispy person, not really crispy crunchy person, like he doesn't really get crispy crunchy, he's just upside down. But they do do a nice special effect with his, you know, um like gooey, what do you call that? Like play-doh jaw.
WilsonOh, yeah, yeah.
CaptainWith like a black hole mouth.
WilsonRight. Yeah, I don't I don't know what you want to call that, but yeah.
CaptainBut they do do like a decent special effect that's supposed to be creepy. I don't it's not that it's not creepy. Maybe I'm just like um like desensitized to it. I don't know.
WilsonMaybe I don't know. The jump scares, like there were jump scares, but I think in a way they were weak. But I'm not that's not necessarily a knock, because sometimes I hate jump scares being.
CaptainOne of them got me, but yeah. Yeah. Uh yeah. Yeah. Um, I don't know. Do you have anything else?
WilsonUh no, who needs advice?
CaptainUm, before you give me advice.
WilsonOkay.
CaptainUm, next time on the Red Roman podcast, we're doing Knock at the Cabin, which is a shamalan. Shamalan. It's a nighty shyan movie. So you
Sleep Disorders Comparisons And KLS
Captainknow he'll be in there somewhere.
WilsonIs he always in every every one of his movies?
CaptainUh-huh. He always is like a little cameo. Yeah, it's like his thingatha, Luke.
WilsonOkay, so advice. Yes.
CaptainI need advice based on a sleep insomnia demon.
WilsonI mean, I feel like there's a lot in here. Like, I don't know, never go into a basement for uh Oh my god, that is good advice. Absolutely.
CaptainDo not follow a doctor that says, Oh, we'll just continue my concealed study. Concealed is concealed is crazy. It's like a crazy wordy.
WilsonYeah, there are standards for a reason. Yes.
CaptainYes, follow the FDA. That's a good I I appreciate that guy.