Sweetheart

Welcome to Season 9 and year 10(!!) of the RedRum Podcast! Captain and Wilson kick off the new year with the 2019 horror survival film, "Sweetheart," directed by J. D. Dillard. It stars Kiersey Clemons, Emory Cohen, Hanna Mangan-Lawrence, and Andrew Crawford.

It begins with a woman who washes ashore on a remote island, but soon wishes she could have stayed in the water.

The film discussion begins around 19:24.

Transcript

Snow, Ice, And Grocery Chaos

Wilson 0:14

How are we doing? It's uh it's season something eight nine.

Captain 0:20

I actually don't remember. It's season nine gazillion.

Wilson 0:24

Gazillion, it's year ten, season nine.

Captain 0:26

Oh my gosh! I think you're right. Nine, who is she? She's that big old baby now. Um yeah, we're doing good. We're doing we're we're iced in, but we're having a blast.

Wilson 0:42

Yep. Lots of snow. Yeah, lots of ice for you.

Captain 0:46

Yeah, lots lots of uh lots of snow creet, as they say.

Wilson 0:51

Yeah, I got a little stir crazy this week. Uh it was like Wednesday, and I was like, can we just walk to the grocery store? I need to go outside. And we needed groceries.

Captain 1:01

Yeah, they um I'm like I I'm like mad that the grocery rush gets so freaking crazy before the people act like it's never snowed before, and I get it. It was a lot of snow, but I'm like, I okay, I'm trying to go to the grocery store and buy like snacks for my guinea pigs, and like why the freak is there a rush on all like who's like rushing and buy all the celery and parsley?

Wilson 1:23

Like, what?

Captain 1:24

I was like, all the carrots were gone? I was like, who what? Why?

Wilson 1:29

I feel like that's an improvement over everyone buying bread and milk.

Captain 1:33

Well, those were gone too. Bread, milk, eggs, all gone.

Wilson 1:36

Okay, eggs I can get, but it's like, how much bread and milk do you need?

Captain 1:42

Gotta drink it all. All the calcium.

Wilson 1:45

Yeah, I when I went, it wasn't busy on a Wednesday. It was like, it was really chill. And they were pretty stocked.

Captain 1:51

Yeah, the grocery store we normally go to havoc. I'm like, I was mad the whole 15 minutes we were in there. I'm like, I we shouldn't have been here. Um, but then um Jay woke up like early the next morning at like 7 a.m. and went to a different grocery store, and everything that we couldn't get, he was like, Oh yeah, they had plenty. I was like, great. Why did I why did I even deal with going the other time?

Wilson 2:14

Uh yeah. That's how it goes.

Captain 2:16

Yeah, it's um it's really icy here though. Like I was telling you, like, that people that haven't shoveled yet, you there's no shoveling now. There's it's it's just a block of ice that you have to chainsaw or ice pick through.

Wilson 2:30

We're so lucky we didn't get that layer of ice that you got.

Captain 2:33

And like I've I literally saw a video of someone in the next neighborhood over that was chainsawing the ice out because like there's no way, there's no other way to do it. Like, and there's some city blocks that I've noticed the city hasn't shoveled. And it's just like you look at it and it's a sheet of ice, like you could ice skate on it. Like it's really that intense. It's like glossy. You can, it's just I mean, you might as well ice skate on it. Like it's crazy. Um but yeah, we're gonna have this probably for a very long time. Like, probably to my birthday, it'll be here. Like, I don't know how all this is gonna melt away.

Pittsburgh Plows And Winter Frustration

Wilson 3:13

We just need like a minimum 40 degrees and then rain all day. And then it'll just like basically get rid of it. Yeah, probably.

Captain 3:23

Lots of sun, lots of melting, please.

Wilson 3:25

Yeah, let's do that. Everything's gonna be mushy. Apparently, Pittsburgh, they're um Pittsburgh is in like a debt or something, the public infrastructure's not great, but like out of like 90 s snow plows, they said like 37 of them were broken down as of the storm starting. And it's just like it's because it's the trucks, I guess, are so old and they haven't had the money to replace them or keep them up that well.

Captain 3:53

Like, yeah, but you guys definitely get snow. Yeah, I don't there's like that should be a thing that you prepare for.

Wilson 4:04

You would think so.

Captain 4:06

You would think.

Wilson 4:07

But it also doesn't help that like you know, normally, like maybe let's say you get a ton of snow, but it doesn't stay this cold for this long that it like just doesn't melt.

Captain 4:17

You know, like now you're talking about.

Wilson 4:18

Yeah, it's um it's a little frosty. I do like cold weather, but you know what? I'm actually done with snow for like this season. I've got my fill.

Captain 4:29

Yeah, I could I mean I could do one more like snowy day, but not like this. It because it's just I can't explain to you. Like everything is ice. Everything's ice. And it's just not I don't even know how this could all go away. It's so much ice everywhere. Um yeah. Um, I speaking of looking at the movies you've seen recently, I don't know which oh well you put some in here. No. Yes? What's that?

Wilson 4:55

For the I I put some for the next episode, but um, if we want to if there's one you want to talk about now, it's just sorry.

Captain 5:02

Oh well, let me not Okay. Well, one of them you put in Okay, we'll talk about that next time. Um did have to stay tuned. Did you watch Frankenstein?

Wilson 5:13

The one No, not yet. I did see that you watched it.

Captain 5:16

Yeah. Did you watch Marnie Supreme?

Wilson 5:19

Yeah. So we're gonna we will watch all the best picture nominations. It's just like Hellra like not Hellraiser. Um Frankenstein so long, and there's so many movies that are nominated that they're like two and a half hours, and I'm like, Oh my gosh.

Captain 5:36

It it is a little longer than I believe necessary, I'm gonna be honest. But it was good. Um wait, what are the other noms?

Wilson 5:46

Um I can tell you in one second.

Captain 5:49

Oh, one bottle after another. I've seen that. Sinner has seen that, Marty Supreme, Frankenstein. I haven't seen Hamnet. I know you saw that, right?

Wilson 5:57

Yeah. Hamnet was good. Um I don't know if you'd like it.

Captain 6:02

Yeah, I don't think I will, uh Sentimental Value.

Wilson 6:07

That was good. Yeah, it had Stell and Skarsgard in it. Skarsgard. Um That was good. I don't think you'd like it.

Captain 6:14

Okay. And then there's Train Dreams, but I don't think it's I haven't seen that yet. Okay. Oh, it says it's on Netflix.

Wilson 6:23

Yeah. And then I think was it Blue Moon too?

Captain 6:28

Oh, I don't know. That doesn't come up for Google AI slot.

Wilson 6:34

Oh, um wait. Oh yeah, then Bogo Begonia was really good.

Captain 6:41

Oh yeah, I haven't seen that. I think you like that. That was good. I know. I probably will like that.

Wilson 6:46

Secret Agent was good.

Captain 6:50

Okay, so you've like watched a lot.

Wilson 6:53

Yeah, I'll try to try to knock those out. I I think I've told you one of our friends is um he's just uh like very uh cinematically educated, I guess, is a one way to put it. And he they he tries to watch a lot of the like any of these types of movies that might be nominated or will be, you know.

Captain 7:13

It looks like F1 is also on the list. I saw that.

Wilson 7:16

It is I didn't see that.

Captain 7:17

It's actually it's actually like I don't care about cars, and it was actually pretty good.

Wilson 7:22

Okay.

Captain 7:22

It's not like there's much more to the story than just racing, obviously, like you know, the people. Um so I'd recommend.

Wilson 7:31

So it's is it could you describe it as like live action cars, like the the exactly a hundred percent.

Captain 7:44

Um if you've seen cars, you've seen it. Um, I did watch Primate too recently.

Wilson 7:51

Oh yeah.

Captain 7:52

I remember you told me how you were like it's exactly what you would expect a primate attack movie to be. Okay.

Wilson 8:00

Like that's exactly a wild twist, or like, wow, that was really thought-provoking.

Captain 8:05

No, exactly what you would think it'd be. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it's like that's it's like when I watched that movie called The Long Walk, I was like, that was a long walk.

Wilson 8:15

That's what it was.

Captain 8:16

That's exactly what I was.

Wilson 8:17

I haven't seen it, but I I didn't hear it was like kind of good.

Captain 8:19

Uh I mean it I left thinking the same thing when I left Primate. I was like, that's that's what it was. Like exactly what I would expect. Um so anyway. Well uh well uh I don't have what's Hellraiser?

Wilson 8:40

So I recently uh I think you saw that I this year I'm doing a 30 book year sorry trying to read 30 books this year. 30 for 30. Yeah, so one of them I read the book that um inspired the movie, Hellraiser, um Hellbound Heart.

Captain 8:58

That's not Oh no, I'm thinking Hellboy.

Wilson 9:01

Oh. No, like uh Pinhead.

Captain 9:03

Yeah, yeah.

Wilson 9:04

Yeah, yeah. Um Hellbound Heart. That was actually pretty good. It follows the movie very closely, or I guess the movie follows it very closely. Uh I like that.

Captain 9:14

Is it scary?

Wilson 9:16

Um No. It's just like kind of freaky, I guess. Have you seen have you not seen Hellraiser?

Captain 9:25

No, I think I have, but I'm I'm saying the book. Like when you're reading it, I guess it's like, is it um I don't know.

Wilson 9:32

It's cr I guess it's creepy, but I wasn't like scared. Um and then I was telling you this earlier, the other book that I recently read was I Am Legend. Um I didn't realize how drastically it's different than the movie, like like significantly different. Do you how much do you remember about the movie?

Captain 9:53

Oh man, it's been so long. I I not much.

Wilson 9:58

Okay, well this takes place in like the 50s in Los Angeles, and they're vampires. Whereas the movie, they weren't I think like they weren't vampires. Yeah, yeah. They're more like zombies.

Captain 10:10

I mix up I Am Legend and I Robot a lot because they're both Will Smith. Yeah, and they're both like um kind of apocalyptic or whatever. Like so I I think they kind of get mushed in my head. But I'm pretty sure I've seen both. Aren't they kind of around the same time too?

Wilson 10:32

When was I think so? You know, a couple months ago we were we were out um at this like I don't know, there's a late night they're having like an event, and you know, there's like a dance floor, but um this place always has like old movies on a TV in the corner, and they were playing iRobot, and I was like really invested. I was like, I just like kept looking over and watching the TV.

Captain 10:56

Yeah, I don't think I've seen that in probably at like more than 10 years, but it was good.

Wilson 11:01

Yeah. Okay. So yeah, they feel like the same time.

Captain 11:07

Um anyway, sorry, continue.

Wilson 11:09

Oh yeah, well that's all I had. It's like it was these two, I guess, interesting books I read recently. Um I don't know. I actually hated or did not like I Am Legend the book for like 75% of it. And then when I got to like the the the closing section, I was like, oh.

Captain 11:27

Really?

Wilson 11:28

Okay, maybe that was good.

Captain 11:30

Really?

Wilson 11:30

I don't know, because it was since it was written in the 50s, um, a lot of the language is like almost problematic. Oh. Like, because like the main character runs into a woman and there's just a lot of like 50s inner monologue, like about women. I don't know.

Captain 11:48

Yeah, maybe not for me. Yeah, I I feel like if I read a book that was written in the 50s, I would like assume they all speak in that random mid-Atlantic.

Wilson 12:00

Can you read Mid-Atlantic?

Captain 12:02

Like, like I would be thinking like that's how I would hear it in my head. Like, listen here, I I don't know. I I can hear it, but I can't really do it.

Wilson 12:12

Um Well, it's a really short book. It's like 160 pages.

Captain 12:16

Damn.

Wilson 12:17

Yeah.

Creature Actors And Genre Detours

Captain 12:17

I just read a little short, um, there's like a five-part series that um I think it's different writers, and it's kind of like an anthology. They're short, they're like 30 pages, but um, yeah, I just read like, well, one of them had really bad reviews, so I only read four out of five, I think, but um they're all called the Time Traveler's Passport. And they're all like different stories about um a different future where time travel's a thing. They're actually really interesting. I would recommend like the four that I read, I actually three of them I really liked. One of them was Or wait, no, one, two, three. Oh, I read five. There's six altogether. One of them I didn't read at all, and five out of the four out of the five that I read I actually really liked. Even you can see them on my Goodreads, but yeah, they're just like different short stories about a universe where or a world where time travel is real. Um and like different aspects of it and different like time periods of of how that works, where time travel exists. Um yeah, I don't know. I really like them. I don't even remember how I found them, but they were like short and nice and fun.

Wilson 13:32

Okay. I'll look into it. That sounds good.

Captain 13:35

Yeah, they're really easy to get through. Um yeah. Anyway, I don't know if you care about this nine-banded armadillo that I put in.

Wilson 13:43

I I am curious what this is about.

Captain 13:48

I I don't remember how this popped up. I think I've been part of like a couple of like animal subreddits or something. I I can't remember, but um I was looking at I it came up that nine banded armadillas always, like always, have four, it's uh identical quadruplets. Like they have been evolved that when they give birth, it's identical quadruplets every single time.

Wilson 14:19

Oh.

Captain 14:20

Yeah. Like, and um, yeah, apparently they've evolved so that like when the uh like the the what is that a zygote or whatever, I don't know. Um, like when it forms, it like splits into four, and they all develop. Like I thought that was so weird. I was like, what?

Wilson 14:42

Um and that that's the specific breed of armadillo, the nine-banded one.

Captain 14:47

Yeah, I think there's like two or three armadillo types, but yeah, the nine-banded armadillo, like they always have identical, not just like fraternal, like identical quadruplets.

Wilson 14:59

That is kind of fascinating.

Captain 15:00

Every single time. Yeah, and then another book that I'm reading currently, um, they talk about albatrosses because they're on an Antarctic island. Um, and I I forgot that albatrosses spend most of their life uh in the air. Like they almost never land. And I remember hearing that a while ago, but I forgot about it, and then when they talk about it in the book, I was like, oh yeah. And I like looked it up again and I was like, yeah, they can go like 10,000 kilometers or miles or 10,000 kilometers without like landing.

Wilson 15:34

Like so do they just land to like eat, I guess?

Captain 15:38

Yeah, but uh sometimes they don't, but mostly landings for like uh breeding, nesting. Um but yeah, they like have this really interesting, like uh really big wingspan where they can glide instead of flap. Like they flap sometimes, sure. But they can glide a lot, so they can stay in the air for like a really long time, and then they'll like dive into the water to like eat something, but otherwise they're I mean, they're trucking.

Wilson 16:03

That's kind of fascinating.

Captain 16:06

Sounds so exhausting. Sounds so exhausting.

Wilson 16:10

Um Well, okay, so I want to go back to this nine-banded armadillo. Okay, does that mean that there's like an eight-banded or like a ten-banded?

Captain 16:18

I thought it was like three or something. I've looked at I've okay, this is really random, but um you're gonna be I can't even Okay, let me look up Armadillo species. I think there's like two or three.

Wilson 16:34

Um because I'm looking up this nine-banded to see what nine banded meant, and it's what I expected, but now I'm like, how many bands can they go?

Captain 16:47

Got the um like the bands, like you know what I mean? Like they're collecting the bands. Um I don't know how this is like not being helpful.

Wilson 16:58

Okay, oh, okay. There's a nine, seven.

Captain 17:02

Seven.

Wilson 17:03

And then there's a southern long nose. There's a lot of long nose.

Captain 17:07

The long nose, yeah. It's like really good for eating.

Wilson 17:11

Screaming hairy armadillo. That's one of them.

Captain 17:14

It's like the honey badger.

Wilson 17:16

So like they also have bands, but they're not it's not their defining characteristic, I guess.

Captain 17:23

Um yeah, probably not. Um, I only really know the only thing I really know about armadillos, besides the fact that I learned today, is that they carry leprosy um naturally, and people study leprosy in armadillos. Like theirs armadillo research specifically only for leprosy.

Wilson 17:42

I did not know that.

Captain 17:44

Um yeah, I don't know why anyone would, besides if you do things that I do. I mean, I've never seen it's not like I've I've ever even seen an armadillo, like not in a zoo, but um I don't know. That's something that you have to learn to be I don't know, they talk about it. Anyway, um but yeah, now I know two things about armadillos. So um yeah, I think that came up because I think I saw a video of a sheep or no, a goat that was about to give birth, and I remember they always give birth to twins. Um yeah, they like always give birth to twins.

Wilson 18:26

Like all breeds of sheep always give birth to twins.

Books, Adaptations, And Problematic Classics

Captain 18:29

Hmm, all breeds? Hmm, I don't know. Or just like maybe most or probably the ones that we've um domestic well, like somewhat domesticated, like farm ones that like we're like, we need sheep. Let's breed sheep that make two sheep. Um yeah. And then I can't remember, I don't know, something spiraled off from there. Um I just thought that was weird. I was just like, what a crazy evolution to like we're gonna have quadruple identical quadruples every single time. Um Damn. I know. Um anyway, okay. Do you want to get in here? It's been a while. Yeah, let's pop in. We're acting at this movie wasn't good with how long this discussion has been.

Wilson 19:14

Um I mean, I I I I don't know. I'll say, well, we'll we'll see. Did you have to listen to the rest to find out?

Captain 19:24

Okay. I'll I'll do this. We want me to I can do this. Um okay Okay. Welcome to the 184th episode of the Red Run Podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two. And I'm Captain.

Wilson 19:39

And I'm Wilson.

Captain 19:40

And this week we're reviewing the 2019 American Survivor horror film Sweetheart, which yeah, directed by J.D. Dillard, which I don't recognize him or his other movies that we did. Slight in 2016, and then Devotion in 2022. So one on each side of this movie, but I mean they're clickable. I I just I I don't recognize them at all.

Wilson 20:06

Yeah, I saw Glenn Powell's in the one with Jonathan Majors, which I hope stays canceled, but you know yeah, that's such a tough.

Captain 20:14

I'm like, ugh. I had so much hope, you know? Yeah. Um anyway, the cast offs are not really um huge either. Smaller cast this movie, because it's just like a shipwreck movie, but um we have Kiersey Clemens who plays I've never heard of that name in my life.

Wilson 20:36

Kiercy.

Captain 20:37

Kiercy. Um yeah, I don't know. Um it might be a nickname um or a stage name, like Shamu. Um but she's mostly known for a character in that dope movie from 2013. I think I watched that, but I don't I mean, I don't remember much.

Wilson 20:55

I don't think I saw that.

Captain 20:57

Um but she's also in that monarch TV show on Apple TV, which I watched a couple episodes, but I didn't I didn't love it.

Wilson 21:05

Okay, I put it on my list, but I didn't I never started it.

Captain 21:08

I I couldn't really get into it. The first episode's good, and then I don't know, I feel like it gets too into the weeds. I I didn't really like it.

Wilson 21:16

Oh that's too bad.

Captain 21:18

Um Lucas Griff Oh my god. Um Emory Cohen plays Lucas. Um he's he's kind of having a moment right now because he was Ira Misler in Marty Supreme, the um husband to that girl, to Odessa's character. Oh you don't recognize him?

Wilson 21:40

I did not no, I did not recognize him at all.

Captain 21:43

Oh. I mean he's got a weird stash in Marty Supreme. And also this movie is like seven years old.

Wilson 21:51

So that okay, that's fair.

Captain 21:53

Um he's also Otis in Roofman, which I saw. So it's like one of the I saw Roofman too like just in December. Oh. Yeah. I think he's one of the employees at that Toys R Us.

Wilson 22:06

Mmm, okay.

Captain 22:08

Um Yeah, they have a friend, Mia, that doesn't really I didn't really recognize anything that she's in, played by Hannah Mangan Lawrence. Um, and then there is a creature in this movie played by Andrew Crawford, who is a ballet dance. The yeah, it's like the French since ballet is French. Like it's like like specifically people that do ballet have their own, they're not a dancer, they're a danceur.

Wilson 22:44

Um oh wait, he was Yeah. Oh he's trying to go on.

Captain 22:50

He's an yeah, he plays a neomorph, an alien covenant. Wow, he's like known for his creature roles because he can like bend his body and stuff. Not that we really see that much in this movie, I feel like.

Wilson 23:01

No. But I mean, like, people that um get in creature costumes really make like a little career for themselves. Like Doug Jones, like very well known for Which one did he do?

Captain 23:14

I know there's one creature guy that's um stretchy and he's come up in a couple of our movies.

Wilson 23:19

Oh, yeah. Um no, this is like you'd recognize him, but he did like Pan's Labyrinth. He played Billy Butcherson, is that it? In Hocus Pocus. Oh yeah. He's like a lot of just oh, and like I think was he Shape of Water? He might have been. I forget. He is Shape of Water. Yeah. He is the shape.

Captain 23:40

Um how do you look up like stretchy actors?

Wilson 23:43

Stretchy actors.

Captain 23:45

Creature.

Wilson 23:47

Creature actor would probably get you.

Captain 23:50

Yeah, probably.

Wilson 23:51

Um there's a whole list here. I'm looking for one that jumps out.

Animal Oddities: Armadillos And Albatross

Captain 24:04

Yeah, I I can't remember the name, but I know there's a guy that's come up a couple of times in our Oh, I think it's um Javier Botet.

Wilson 24:13

Yeah. He was in Mama, The Mummy. Yeah. You didn't watch the new one. Well, I didn't watch the new one. Uh Conjuring 2. Insidious.

Captain 24:23

Yep.

Wilson 24:26

All the Crooked Man. Oh, yep, yep, that was a good one. Did you did you watch Last Voyage of the Demeter?

Captain 24:33

No. Was that good? I saw that it was playing.

Wilson 24:36

No, I I um I haven't seen it. It's been on my list, but I think it I think it just did like okay.

Captain 24:42

Bill Skasgard counts as a creature actor?

Wilson 24:45

I guess because of it.

Captain 24:48

Oh, duh. But yeah. For a second I when I read that I I was thinking Alexander Skarsgard, and I was like, well, he does play a vampire, but like that's not really.

Wilson 24:59

Wait. Yeah, and um Oh, doesn't he do that in what, True Blood or whatever?

Captain 25:06

Yeah, that's what it is, True Blood, yeah. But like, I mean he looks mostly like a human, so I was confused, but I just was thinking the wrong Skarsgard. Um I know this is like a sidetrack really quick, but uh Skellin Skard's role in that Star Wars show. What is that called?

Wilson 25:27

Oh, um um Andor.

Captain 25:29

Yes, have you watched that?

Wilson 25:31

It's so good, dude.

Captain 25:32

He is so he makes me laugh every time he's on screen playing that role, because he never plays a role like that. Where he's like an art, like an artsy dealer that's like it charismatic and like chuckly with people. I'm like, what? And I I don't know. He's just so funny. Like watching him put a wig on and stuff. Like he does have because they always he's always booked as like you know, the Dune character, like the Baron, like evil, yeah, like a scary brooding yeah. Um yeah, Andar was good. You watched all of it?

Wilson 26:06

I just I think it was like last fall or summer. I finally got around to it, and I was like, well, no wonder it won a bunch of awards.

Captain 26:13

Like wait, I thought oh wait, when did season two come out?

Wilson 26:19

I think it's been out for a while.

Captain 26:20

Oh, I thought we were okay.

Wilson 26:22

But I could be wrong.

Captain 26:23

I don't remember, but I was just told we have to watch this, so we watched it.

Wilson 26:27

Yeah, I liked it. And it was also like very um like relevant to the time. So Oh yeah. Yeah.

Captain 26:35

Um, okay. Sorry, getting back into this. Yeah, Andrew Crawford plays the creature, and then we have Benedict Samuel who plays Brad. I mean, Brad's dead the whole movie, so I don't but he's mostly known for playing Mata Hatter in Gotham, and he is a character on The Walking Dead, but I don't really recognize him. I think it was later Walking Dead.

Wilson 26:55

Um Yeah, he doesn't look familiar to me.

Captain 26:57

Also, he's like dead.

Wilson 26:58

Like I don't I can't like what what does that do for me?

Captain 27:01

I mean, yeah, I I feel like if I maybe I saw him act, I could be like, oh this does look.

Wilson 27:05

I guess he said he had one line and it was like, Did you see it? Oh something.

Captain 27:11

Sorry, Wilson, you are so right. Sorry. How can I forget? Uh anyway, yeah, so this movie is a shipwreck movie. So we don't really see that part, but we basically see a girl, Jen, um, wash ashore. Um, and it's like a small, looks like a small tropical island. Um, and she washed ashore with uh looks like a recently with her friend Brad, who immediately did. I mean, he's alive for like two seconds. He's uh like shivved with a like a coral rock or like a conch shell or something. Like he's not good. And of course she pulls it out, which I was like, don't pull that out. If you've learned anything, it's it's like don't do that. I don't know if you're watching the pit. Oh, I'm not right.

Wilson 27:59

Yeah.

Captain 27:59

Oh, you are watching the newest season?

Wilson 28:01

Uh yeah, we didn't watch this week's episode though.

Captain 28:04

Oh. Then I'll stay quiet.

Wilson 28:07

Oh, okay.

Captain 28:09

But anyway, um, yeah, if you've learned anything, don't pull those out. Um, but yeah, she pulls it out and he bleeds out. Um and she doesn't even stay with him. She's like, you need water, leaves him to break open at coconut, which takes her like a long time, obviously.

Wilson 28:23

And she spills most of the water. She does spill most of it.

Captain 28:27

Um also, like, I feel like in that moment, I don't think water is the most important. Like he is actively bleeding a lot.

Wilson 28:36

Um yeah, and basically passed out, and she leaves him to, I guess, hold the open wound himself. Like I don't know.

Captain 28:46

Um yeah, considering like she doesn't look extremely dehydrated, I'm like, well, y'all were on the same boat, like I don't know. Um so yeah, she's on this island alone after that. Um, and she learns it's a very tiny island. Um, but yeah, she decides that she's gonna bury Brad's body because it is smelly. Um she also does, as she's searching the island, she also does find like an old campsite that has some supplies, like matches and an old like dusty cooler. Um there was like a box with photos in it from a family that don't look like they're here anymore. Um and she also found what appears to be like a grave site for them. So so after she finds out, she's like, I'm gonna bury this body too, because it is um smelly. And uh there's already a little cemetery here. Um so she buries him pretty close to the water, I'm guessing. And it's not very deep.

Wilson 29:46

It's like Yeah, I think it's like at the tree line or something. But yeah.

Captain 29:49

And it's like maybe two inches. Um sorry, two not two inches, two feet deep. Um and then it I think uh, yeah, and then she I guess she goes to sleep. But anyway, when she wakes up the next day, his body is dragged away with a trail of blood leading to the ocean. And a vascare, because that means something big, is like here. Yeah, and uh it's not good. And like that discovery for her was like really shocking because she's been on this island for like probably a couple of days now. Um and like hasn't, you know, what she's seen, like a bird, some bugs, a crab, like uh like oh, she did find that half-bitten shark.

Wilson 30:31

Yeah, but it's like not necessarily concerning. Yeah.

Sweetheart Review Begins

Captain 30:35

Yeah. Um so but like a whole human body dragged into the ocean, yeah, that's concerning. So she's like making a spears, basically, like in case she needs to, or like, I don't know, some kind of pokey object in case she needs to use it. Um but it's hard for her to like sleep well through the night. Um so yeah. Um the next day she um does find some what is it, a suitcase and a bucket in the water, so she swims out to get it. Um and while she's out there, she finds like this ominous black hole in the bottom of the ocean. I'm like, the fuck is that?

Wilson 31:13

Um but Yeah, and also, spoiler alert, they never explain the black hole.

Captain 31:17

So it's like they don't. I mean, I know the ocean does have like things like that.

Wilson 31:24

Yeah, but that looked like mystical or like Yeah, it wasn't like a crack.

Captain 31:28

Like it wasn't like a what do they call that in the Mariano trench? Like it wasn't like a trench.

Wilson 31:33

No, it was just like a perfect circle with like wispies and like a I don't know.

Captain 31:37

It was a perfect circle. That's true. Um yeah, I literally called it a black hole. I was like, ugh, not good. Um, however, in the suitcase, she does get a pair of sneakers, which before this she was barefoot, which was like, oh my god, so bad. Um so like score on the sneakers for sure.

Wilson 31:57

Yes.

Captain 31:58

Um, yes, she does also find, or not find, she um has she does see a plane fly over also that night, and she tries to flare it. Um she's kind of late though, so she doesn't, she doesn't I don't you can't really tell if the plane saw it. Um but as the flare lands, as it's going down and it's hitting the surface of the ocean, in the um, like the profile of the light in front of it, there's like an all-black creature. And it's like that profile of like something with like it's like it's hard to explain. It's like a half. At first it I thought it was kind of like a predator, but it's not, it doesn't have like the long bean head, but it's like scary monster-looking face and like scaly-looking big body, like big body. Yeah.

Wilson 32:50

Um but she just saw like the flare entering the water and then just like the shad or the outline of a some figure at far out in the water looking at her, presumably.

Stranded Setup And First Night Terrors

Captain 33:01

That was like so shocking when I saw that. I was like, mmm, pull the blankie up, like scary. Um and it's like not you're not expecting it at all because you're like just so focused on her trying to flare this airplane that like I wasn't expecting to see the monster like that. Um but yeah, so she like runs and hides um to the shore after that. Um she decides, I think, shortly after that, that she or I think the the next day that she um she tries to do that stupid raft thing where she's like, I'll use the little the miniature suitcase. I was like, girl, that didn't work at all. Um like you can't use it as a raft, it's not made. I was like, at this point, just make a raft. Like you have so much wood on the island, like you can make one. She had a rope too. I'm like, you couldn't make one that's actually gonna survive like the ocean.

Wilson 33:58

I guess I guess she was just desperate to get off like before nightfall again. I don't know.

Captain 34:02

Yes, I think she was because that monster really scared her. I mean, it's terrifying. Um so I think later um a corpse of another friend washes uh on the on shore. I guess that's Zach. Um she decides that she's gonna oh she don't she yeah, she um spears a shark the first night, basically hangs it up as like an offering to the monster so that she doesn't get eaten like here's something else that you can go after. Um because she does have it come upon like up on the shore. Um and she it's like definitely feasting because it like ate her friend's body. Um so it takes the shark the one night, and then the next night Zach washes upon Shore and she hangs him up too. It's only half his body. Dude's been through it.

Wilson 34:52

He yeah. Um having a bad day.

Captain 34:55

Yeah, and he takes that too, but I think he also is that the same night that the monster um rolls her around in that tree log, in that hollow.

Wilson 35:04

Uh, I don't know.

Captain 35:06

I think I think it might be. She decides that she's gonna sleep like in this hollow log, thinking that that'll be safe. Um, but I think the monster can like smell her, so it smells that something's in there and then like rolls her around and she's like terrified in there. Um, rightfully so.

Wilson 35:21

Uh, I think it's how this monster has like the strength to tear people in half, but like if somebody's in a log or like a flimsy old driftwood log, that is true. Unless it's just playing with her.

Captain 35:34

I think I I have a feeling, so they didn't show like extensively, but it looked like when she first crawled in the log, it was like a really long tree. Like it looked like it had been I don't know, potentially like 20 or 30 feet. Like to me, it looked like it was really long, and then by the time she crawled out of it, it was only like slightly longer than her. So I think it did destroy some of the log. I I is what I'm extinking. It just didn't destroy the part that she was in. Is what it looks like.

Wilson 36:05

She gets she's getting lucky a lot.

Captain 36:07

I mean, she she is crashing on an island, but sure. Um so yeah, she decides that um what was the oh yeah, she decides that um next night she's gonna make a hammock in the tree line in the tree so that like she's not on the ground where the monster can get her, get to her. And I literally sent you in the chat, like, you've taught, not you teaching this monster that food is hung from a tree and then you hang yourself from a tree.

Wilson 36:38

Yeah.

Captain 36:38

Like you literally are training it to come after you in the hammock, but ignore me. And and what happened, you know, like literally rips her down from the hammock um that night because you've taught it to do basically that. Um and like it grabs her and she's running, and the monster doesn't move very well on land. Like you can tell it's really slow. Um, and we do get like a full body of it, like in a lightning flash from the hammock, and it is like, I don't know, nine, ten feet tall, like predator body kind of, but like half hoofy looking feet and claw, like finish looking arms. I don't even know how to describe that. Yeah. Um, but because she's running on land, the monster is not very fast on land. It actually she's running along the coastline because it's a very small island, and um it like jumps into the water, and then you can see it swimming alongside her, and it's like swimming at like you know 30 miles an hour, like it's zooming through the water really fast. So it basically catches up to her and then like um jumps on the land in front of her because it can swim so fast. Um, and I think it like tears her leg open. Um, and I don't know why it left her alone. Oh, she stabbed it or something? I think she stabs it.

Wilson 37:56

I think that sounds right, yeah.

Captain 37:58

And I guess she stabbed it enough that it was surprised that something fought back and it jumps away, jumps back in the water. Um but yeah, it's I mean the monster like throws her, like when it like swings at her, it throws her like, I don't know, six feet. Like, I mean, girl is like yeeted into the sky.

Wilson 38:20

Yeah, and then she like half lands in the water, but yeah, it doesn't come after her again.

Captain 38:24

I'm assuming it doesn't really get attacked a lot. Like, I don't think it gets stabbed. Um so maybe that's why. Um, anyway, the next day on the water, she looks out and there's a raft out there. Like it looks like it's the emergency raft from the boat. Um, and she's like swims up to it really excited, and there are two friends in there. Her her boyfriend Lucas is in there, and then her friend Mia have been surviving for I don't know, four or five days out there. Um so, you know, a little reunion. Um, but those people are definitely uh not doing well. They have not had a good time on the wa uh uh. Um they just seem irritable and like they're not, you know, what does he say? They're weak. Um and they're like excited that they could be on land, and she like has been cooking fish, like she has food um and like coconut water, like she's been surviving just fine. I guess much better than they have. Um but quickly she's like, Hey, we can't be here. There's a monster that will kill us. Um, and they don't listen to her.

Wilson 39:41

Like, I mean, in their defense, they've been like fighting for their lives on the water and starving, and then like their friend who's been stranded on an island's like there's a mythical monster.

Captain 39:52

Their friend that's been stranded on an island that's been eating and drinking just fine. I mean, not like great, but fine. And they're like, We're not going back out there. And she's like, No, you don't understand. We are leaving today on this raft, we cannot be here. Um, and you know, they just don't believe her. But anyway, she prepares this raft, gets all the stuff together, like, you know, packs like a week's worth of food and like um some water and or coconuts or whatever. Um, and she's like, We're going out there, um, so get yourselves ready. And when they tell her, no, we're just straight up not doing that, and we don't believe you, um, she decides that she's gonna do it by herself, which at this point, Wilson, I was like, Okay, you're in the wrong. You cannot take this only way off this island with uh food and water and leave these two people here. Like, you can't do that.

Wilson 40:46

One of them being her boyfriend.

Shark Offerings And The Hollow Log

Captain 40:48

Yes, like you cannot do that. So they're watching her do like push the strap out, and they run after her, and then there's a physical altercation, like she kicks me in the face, and Mia like smacks her with the oar to knock her out. Um and I'm like, oh, this is bad. Because Jen wakes up tied to a tree. I'm like, oh my god. Like it's nighttime, and she's tied to a tree. And they basically have like a fight where they kind of imply that like Mia either like I don't know, it's like she like kind of exaggerates things where like it's kind of like she's lying. Like Mia was like, is the monster like when you said you got mugged right before this trip, and I they don't really go into detail about that. I'm like, it just sounds like you didn't believe her. Like, why would she lie about that? I'm not really sure. Um, and then Lucas also says, like, you know, um, this week's been crazy. Like, I was on a boat with my friends, having a great time, and didn't seem like you were the only one that was like a Debbie Downer that didn't want to be there. And the night that you told me you don't like this and you want to leave, all these storm clo clouds roll in and we get shipwrecked. Like, he says, like, you always have storm clouds around you or something. I don't know like how that's her fault. Um like I don't know what they were trying to imply with that. Basically, besides the fact that that she just doesn't seem like they just don't really seem to like her or like believe her. Um, I don't know. But they tie her to a tree, so like I'm I'm on her side. Like, you should not be tying her to a tree. And they won't they also won't untie her because they don't think that she'll stay. I mean it's fair from their perspective, but I know, but from our perspective as the audience, it's so scary. I'm like, girl, you're about to get attacked, it's nighttime. Um But Lucas also makes some really nasty comments where he says, like, what was your plan? You're gonna go back home, and there's and what? Like, there's no one you don't have any family, or there's no one there for you, no one cares about you. How are you gonna go back to school? I'm the one that pays for your whole lifestyle.

Wilson 42:58

Yeah, like on one hand, from his perspective, his girlfriend just tried to abandon him on an island. That's true. But on the the other perspective is like he's also indirectly like saying it's her fault the boat crashed, or like, you know, they had that boat accident because she wanted to break up with him.

Captain 43:17

Yeah, I don't I don't really understand he doesn't seem like a great person. No. Anyway, uh while they're having that argument, um, the monster, the creature, um, steals Mia. Girl's gone.

Wilson 43:33

Chomp chomp, yep.

Captain 43:34

Chomp chomp, bloody. Lucas sees the whole thing, tries to hit the creature, and he gets also goes flying into the air. Um, so they should have believed her.

Wilson 43:44

Yeah.

Captain 43:45

Is is what I'm kidding. Um, and of course the next day, Lucas is all like sad and pouty and scared, like he doesn't want to even touch the ground. Um and Jen even says, like, um, oh, there's nothing we could have done, and I'm Like, well, you could have believed you. Like, they that's one thing they could have done. So then they both decide, okay, we'll pack the raft and we'll leave. So he's on board for that now. And Jen did say she's gonna head west because she that's where she sees the planes flying. So like they have a plan of where they're gonna go afterwards.

Wilson 44:20

Um but they get in the raft and And there is a lot of there are a lot of blood stains in there.

Captain 44:26

Oh yeah.

Wilson 44:27

And they do never resolve this. You had a theory of what that was, which I like did they eat somebody from the boat?

Captain 44:35

Like, I don't I don't know. Uh it's possible. They don't really explain it. His also his pocket knife has blood on it, which they don't explain.

Wilson 44:44

Yeah, he does make that comment about Zack.

Captain 44:49

Like you sound a lot like Zack or something, and sound like you didn't really like Zack. Um But yeah, they make a lot of Did you find anything? I didn't really find anything about that.

Wilson 45:00

I don't know if you I haven't looked anything anything up yet.

Hammock Mistake And Coastal Chase

Captain 45:03

Um But yeah, so on this raft there's a lot of blood on there, but it doesn't really matter because very quickly they're attacked by the month by the creature again. Um during the day, which is the first time she's seen that, but they're in his house, like they're in the ocean. Uh but yeah, it makes a hole in the raft um and like sticks its face through it, um, so you can really see it. Um and they flare. Oh my god, Lucas is so annoying because his first flare doesn't hit directly. The second flare he uses, which I think is their final flare, goes directly into the monster's mouth. Um, so it's not doing like it, you know, is screaming and then it kind of swims up like it falls back to the hole, but makes it immediately another hole and pulls Jen, her whole body through it. Um she has the pocket knife in her hand so like she can stop him again.

Wilson 45:55

Um because it's trying to drag her to the black hole.

Captain 45:58

To the black hole, yeah. Um I like Jen is really quick thinking. I don't know if I'd be able to do that in that situation, but she was like ready. Um and then shockingly, we were both shocked that Lucas jumps in after her.

Wilson 46:14

Yeah.

Captain 46:15

Like truly shocked.

Wilson 46:16

Like he gave off like I'm in it for myself vibes, but totally.

Captain 46:21

But um, as soon as he jumps in, their monster's like, oh, I'll take that one and drags him to the black hole. And he does not have any fighting uh response to it.

Wilson 46:31

So she makes it back to shore, shipwrecked again on the island.

Captain 46:36

Um but she finally has like a full plan, which this is what I said from the beginning, which was make a trap for the monster. Um so she there's like an over, what do you call that?

Wilson 46:52

Like an over-narration of her Oh, she's like rewriting in her journal that's now blank, and it's like, yeah. Her writing is now narrating that portion of the film, which I didn't love, but it's fine.

The Raft Reunion And Mistrust

Captain 47:06

Yeah, it's fine. Um I've been watching a lot of Bridgerton right now, so I'm so used to it. Um because they do a lot a lot. Um But anyway, yeah, so she's like writing a note to like to whom it, you know, in case anybody finds this, and she explains, you know, what happened to them. She does like slightly change the story, which I don't know if they're trying to do anything with that. And again, it's not like in any m way that really matters, but she basically was like, I washed up in the raft with them instead of being there without them. Um and then the creature attacked. But like I don't know I don't know if they were trying to show something with that, like the way that Mia was implying that she like exaggerates stories. Like it doesn't change anything to the plot, but I don't know if that was I don't know. But anyway, she writes everything down and as she's doing that, she's making these like gigantic um like fire teepee things, like huge ones. Um and then as the monster comes upon shore that night, basically gets trapped in a circle of fire that she has prepared to trap him in. Um, and also during the narration portion, she digs this is crazy. She digs up all those old graves, um, which this is a smart idea. Um, but because human bone is like really uh bone in general is like really strong. So she like is carving it into weapons. Um which I think they did that like historically, right? Like I think they made it out of bones. Um so yeah, she's like carving it into like sharp uh weapons, and she basically like traps a monster in this fire circle, and then uh like I don't know, she basically like circles the whole place with like stabby things that she could just pick up and stab him with. So they're like basically anywhere. And although she gets like I don't know, slapped around, which to your point, like he could have torn turn torn her in pieces, Jesus. Um if he wanted to, I don't really know why he does. I mean, it's I guess it's for the movie. Um, but she like stabs him enough that he finally um succumbs to his injuries. And to be sure, thank God, you know, this is reminding me of Jeepers Cooper's when they run over the monster and the sister goes, they always come back. So she like goes over the monster like six or seven times. I don't remember that. Oh yeah, it's like one of my favorite parts of that movie because it's like so it's more realistic than a typical scary movie. But anyway, she like stabs him a bunch, and then to be sure, it looks like she like separates his head from his body.

Wilson 49:40

I feel like she also is taking it as proof of like, I want somebody to know, like given how she wrote her journal, like I want somebody to know my story. I feel like she is gonna bring the head with her.

Captain 49:53

Oh wow. Yeah, and at the end of the movie, like basically half the island is on fire because there's so much fire for this trap. So I'm assuming it's gonna be enough of a smoke signal.

Wilson 50:05

I would think so. Yeah.

Captain 50:06

Because she's seen at least two planes fly over, so like should be enough that somebody would would notice. Um, so you assume that she'll probably get away, but I mean you don't really see that. Um, but yeah, decapitates the corpse and is like carrying it off um at the end of the movie. Um yeah, there's really very minimal dialogue, like especially while she's on the island alone. And I mean, like, I get it, but I feel like if it were me, I'd be talking to myself all the time. Just to like hear castaway vibes. Yeah, just to like hear something. Even when I I notice when I'm in my office at work, like sometimes I'm talking to myself as I'm doing stuff. So I feel like I mean, wouldn't you talk to yourself? No.

Wilson 50:50

I think so. I feel like when I lived alone after college, I talked to myself.

Captain 50:58

A lot?

Wilson 50:59

I think so. Or just like I would not like have a conversation, but it's just more like things I'm doing, I'm just kind of saying out loud. I don't know.

Captain 51:07

Yeah, like you're yeah, you're where like if I'm like, oh shoot, I want to answer that email and be like, okay, I'm kind of seeing the email out loud, or like, oh yeah, let me open that thing, or like uh yeah, I like I'll say stuff like that um to myself in my office. But yeah, I don't know. I just feel like oh my god, I if I'm an island alone, like I'm definitely it'd be too weird.

Wilson 51:26

You're having a conversation.

Night Attack And Consequences

Captain 51:28

It would be too weird to like sit there and not speak. Like, I don't know. There's only so much ocean wave you can listen to. Like I don't know. Um yeah. So this movie was, as I mentioned to you, a sundown's film festival movie from 2019. Um so yeah, it's hard to really know what like a budget box office was, but it did say that it was somewhere in theaters minimally, and it got like sixty thousand dollars.

Wilson 52:01

Okay, so it it didn't actually get like a wide yeah.

Captain 52:07

How does Sundance work? Like, do you let's say you're a good movie at Sundance, I guess you go you do get like a full box office release.

Wilson 52:15

I guess I my guess is the studio also has to decide to like we want to put this somewhere. It looks like it just went straight to streaming.

Captain 52:26

Yeah, and then like let's say you're a okay movie at Sundance, but like not enough that a studio picks you up. Like you're basically like this, I'm guessing. Like, sweetheart.

Wilson 52:36

Yeah, I guess. Like maybe they like because I feel like sometimes our movies were like, oh, we'll do a very limited, small run in like a handful of theaters.

Captain 52:46

So does Sundance like do those people make money? So like this is a Blum house, like Jason Blum produced this movie. Does that mean that he like they somebody approached him with this and was like, hey, this is a small budget movie, I do need money to produce it, but like it's not gonna go in theaters? Like I don't know how that I'm just curious how that process works.

Wilson 53:04

Not that you would know, but Yeah, I well, I I can give my my best guess of how it works. The Red Rotten podcast version of because I I feel like somebody maybe approached them with a script or they were looking for scripts and like, oh, we we're down to do like a low budget, like limited release movie. Like we're not gonna give you fifty million dollars, but then maybe like they they submit it for Sundance or something, and it maybe it just does okay, and they're like, well, maybe we don't want to do a wide release into theaters with this movie.

Captain 53:40

But if it's like a great movie at Sundance, like people love it. Then I feel like it gets picked up.

Wilson 53:46

That's my guess, yeah. Then they would push for it.

Captain 53:50

I wonder how many movies come out at Sundance every do they do categories? Sorry, I have so many questions now that I didn't even think about.

Wilson 53:57

Also, one thing I feel I think I learned recently, Sundance, like in my head, the film festival was like like I don't know, a weekend event people went to, and you were just like, it's just you're watching like films like all day, but it sounds like it's just like over like a c several days, and like you just go to a theater.

Captain 54:20

Oh, it's in Utah.

Wilson 54:21

Yeah, that you just go to a theater in Utah and you see that movie. But like it's not like a I didn't get the impression it was a super organized event.

Captain 54:29

Wow. Apparently they get like sometimes more than 17,000 submissions, but they'll only pick like a hundred or less per year. Um Wow, that's like so interesting.

Wilson 54:44

I think they're actually moving Sundance out of Utah as of this year or something like that.

Captain 54:49

Really?

Wilson 54:50

I feel like that was a big thing. Yeah, okay, yep. 2027, they're relocating to Colorado.

Captain 54:56

Oh. They'd probably get more people, I guess. They must like sell merch and make money. Like they must like Sundance itself, you know.

Daylight Battle And The Abyss

Wilson 55:04

Yeah. I was trying to read why. I wasn't sure if it was like a political thing. They were like, we're not gonna support XYZ. Uh yeah, it just looks like it out it's outgrown the town that it was in. That's fair.

Captain 55:17

That's fair. Um, it didn't where does it say? I mean, it's yeah, Park City, Utah. Never heard of it.

Wilson 55:26

Never heard of a good bo.

Captain 55:30

Um, yeah, so I liked this movie. I don't know how the F you feel about it, but um, it has a 95 for On Chino's critics, a 51 audience, so not great audience, but Okay. Decent. Um You seem to shit all over this. Did you read it?

Wilson 55:53

I didn't no, I didn't rate it yet. I was gonna ask you what what is that, what's your score then?

Captain 55:58

Um I think on Letterboxd, like based on like what this movie is supposed to be, like not against, you know, all the movies of the world. Um I think I'm gonna give this. Um oh my gosh, there's so many of you called Sweetheart. It's trying me nuts. Um I think I'm gonna give this a four.

Wilson 56:19

Okay.

Captain 56:20

Yeah. Okay, I found it. Did you rate this? I see it only has a 2.9 on here.

Wilson 56:27

Um, I was just looking at it now. I think I was gonna give it a three. I actually I actually didn't hate the movie. I didn't really dislike it either. I think it was just a very like simple-ish movie, but like it was done mostly well.

Captain 56:42

Yeah, I I like the way it was done. It's different than other shipwreck movies. Like, m usually it's not a monster creature thing that drives you crazy. Like, I was telling you at a little bit I was getting lost vibes, and I was like, okay, well, there's so much that happens in Lost, but most of it is human to human conflict. Um, I mean, there's weird stuff in the end, but that's lost for you.

Wilson 57:09

Um there's this one review that I kind of like that I saw it says, excellent protagonist and monster, but what I loved best was that this could have merely positioned the white kids as racist and sexist, but it went the extra mile and heavily suggested that they also killed and ate their friend.

Traps, Bone Weapons, And The Final Fight

Captain 57:28

Yeah, I uh we haven't so so the director has said specific things about this movie. Okay. Which this is why I was curious how you'd feel about this. So some hot goose. So he said that this movie is a political allegory with a racial empower empowerment theme. Basically, at the time, so 2016, um, there was a fear of this monster, the person in the White House, um, and we wanted the film's creature to be like this big white, translucent figure. Um, because normally scary things are dark. We wanted the complete opposite, and this is like a low-key political theme of like a black female protagonist kind of like fighting for survival. Um which like I s because I read that before the movie, I can like kind of see that, but I don't think I would have seen that without reading that. And since I read that and you didn't, I was curious if you I I didn't pick up on any Yeah, like it's just a sea creature, so like I didn't really I don't think that's something that you would have ever picked up on. Um But yeah, apparently that was his that was his background for this.

Wilson 58:48

I mean that's all well and good. I guess it's just like if I don't I'd be curious to see if are people actually picking up on this because if nobody picks up on it, like is it is it really saying anything?

Captain 58:59

They uh yeah, I just don't yeah. I mean her friends are giving a weird little like huh, like, and not really you're not you don't believe her, which I feel like you know in society that might be something that she experiences or people that are like her experience, but yeah, they definitely Yeah, you but you don't see the connection with the sea creature, so I don't know. I didn't see the connection. Um he also said that when he was the his first idea for Thinking for the Movie, like before he came up with anything at all, is he was on vacation with friends at Virginia Beach, Virginia, and he was standing and looking out at the water and trying to think of what would be the scariest possible thing that could happen. And he he came up with a creature imagining that like a big creature stood up from outside of the water and looked at him. And that was the first I like that was the first idea that popped in his head, and then he kind of like the movie kind of like came up after that idea. Um yeah, that would definitely be um pretty scary.

Wilson 1:00:03

Yeah.

Captain 1:00:03

So I get that. Um and then the one other hot goose that I had was um that the ballet dancer said that the costume was i in total about 180 pounds.

Wilson 1:00:17

That's like wearing another person on you.

Captain 1:00:20

He said it was like 180 pounds, and they filmed this on a private on a private island in Fiji, so it was already like hot as fuck, and then he was like in a 180-pound costume.

Wilson 1:00:31

Can you imagine you'd have to be so claustrophobic in there too?

Captain 1:00:38

Yeah, I mean it's always interesting to see those behind the scenes of like how people breathe in those costumes or like how they see, because you sent me some of those clips like on Insta. Um, but yeah, oh my god. Apparently the ink, you know how they always name the the c creature thing? Like they name this one Charlie. Uh um so they like talk about Charlie, but um yeah, I'm like, dear god, I can't see.

Wilson 1:01:02

At least they mostly like all of his scenes actually in the costume are shot at night, so that probably helped.

Captain 1:01:09

Yeah. I mean at some point, well, maybe it's not I don't know how much CGI that is, where he's like swimming in the water in the costume.

Wilson 1:01:19

I feel like that had to be CGI. I don't know.

Captain 1:01:23

Yeah, I can't really tell. Which is interesting that I can't tell. But um, but yeah, that I mean most of it's at night, but I just feel like trying to get that costume off with it being wet. Oh my god.

Wilson 1:01:37

Yeah.

Captain 1:01:38

Um but yeah, apparently, apparently it was it was quite bad. Um do you have a uh have a rag for this movie? I think I pulled one out.

Wilson 1:01:52

I well when she kicked what's her face in the face, I thought that was pretty nice. Like get her.

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Captain 1:01:59

Damn. Um I mean, I feel like out of the two of them, Mia was not the one that was bad, like the worst one of the two.

Wilson 1:02:07

Um no, but she was pulling her foot back, and I was just like, I'm getting I'm not getting good vibes from you.

Captain 1:02:12

So like just Yeah, neither one of them give out good vibes. And you know, what's what's interesting is um Mia has she has like an Australian accent, right?

Wilson 1:02:22

Something, yeah.

Captain 1:02:23

Um, okay. I thought I pulled a rag out.

Wilson 1:02:29

Um Wow, you weren't prepared.

Captain 1:02:32

I am, I just can't find it in my notes. But like I usually write rag. Um, you know, this is kind of like probably a big one that most people would think, but when at the moment when her friend friend's body's gone, like after she she dug that grave, put him in there, and then the next day gone, and there's a blood trail into the water. Um, I think that was right. Because it's so shocking. Like, yeah, sh the island's quiet, she's on there by herself, she's been on there for a couple of days, like, and then this sudden idea of like it's so ominous, like something huge took this gone, but like I don't know what it I don't know what it is, I don't know what's coming after me. Like, and that's when I was like, oh, lost vibes. Because like something's here. Um, so I think that's my rag.

Wilson 1:03:24

So that's a pretty good one.

Captain 1:03:27

Um oh no. I have to I have to give you some items, some things. Um I don't know what I'm gonna say. Um, I can tell you that um, I don't know, did you have anything else? I'd recommend this movie, I will say.

Wilson 1:03:42

I don't have anything else at the moment, so I'm curious what what you got for me.

Captain 1:03:46

Um I I will say on the next time on the Red Arm podcast, we're doing Cursed from 20 nope, from 2005. Um 20 years old. Yikes. Um and that movie's about um werewolves. Yeah. I can guess you it's been a while since you've seen it.

Wilson 1:04:08

Yeah, I was like Werewolves, yeah.

Captain 1:04:11

Um okay. And you need, let me guess. You need some advice from me.

Wilson 1:04:18

I do. Um like let's say I am on an island and I see Oh my gosh.

Captain 1:04:25

Oh, what creature? Yeah, I told you from the jump, you gotta make a trap. Like, you gotta make one of those um um like a hole that's covered with a palm leaf, so it looks like Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, it looks like it's a bunch of those. Yes. I dude, make a bunch of those. You know, I I can't remember if it's in lost or some other movie, but like or some other I don't even remember, but like she had rope, so I'm like, you gotta make a you know, the string line around where you sleep. So like he'll get tripped or like cans will rattle or something, like you'll wake up from like metal rattling, like you know what I mean? Like a tripwire? Are you listening to that?

Wilson 1:05:04

Yes, yes.

Captain 1:05:05

Um like something where like she'll know she'll be alerted if he's in her vicinity. You know what I mean?

Wilson 1:05:12

Okay, so she could yeah, so I could if I did that for example, I could theoretically sleep better.

Captain 1:05:17

Yes, yeah. I would say if I if you're trying to live there while there's a monster that might eat you, yes. Palm tree holes everywhere.

Wilson 1:05:27

Okay.

Captain 1:05:27

Don't fall in them yourself. And tripwire, yes, and metal can rattle them. And that way, safe.